T2 IRC Log: 2004-10-02

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--- Log opened Sat Oct 02 00:00:39 2004
00:56 < rxr> re
00:56 < rxr> yes, you have
00:57 < rxr> via the password hash you gave to me ..
00:58 < rxr> == 19:34:32 =[5]=> Building www/firefox [0.10.1 2.1.0-DEV].
00:58 < rxr> == 10/02/04 20:30:34 =[5]=> Finished building package firefox.
01:00 < mnemoc> rxr: ok
01:00 < rxr> please try to stick to the commit messag layout - I already tried to introduce @ rock times ...
01:00 < rxr> * text
01:00 < rxr> * sub items ...
01:00 < mnemoc> ok
01:01 < rxr> ^- one more ' ' of course ..
01:01 < rxr> @ the sub item ;-)
01:01 < mnemoc> one ' ' per idendentation level
01:02 < rxr> I think I used two more for each sub level to indent with the text of the parent item
01:02 < rxr> but you will not use sub items that often, so just try ... ;-)
01:02 < rxr> I write it up when we have a name and a web page ..
01:03 < mnemoc> frock :p
01:03 < mnemoc> sounds funny
01:03 < rxr> hehe
01:03 < rxr> what are you going to commit?
01:04 < mnemoc> update to clip :p
01:04 < rxr> ;-)
01:04 < mnemoc> mainly updates
01:04 < rxr> nice ;-)!
01:07 < rxr> oki next fix - we are pretty near to an 2.1-alpha reference tag
01:08 < rxr> to bad we missed valentins birthday slightly :-(
01:08 < mnemoc> uhm?
01:11 < rxr> for the tag - as special brithday present ;-)
01:11 < mnemoc> :p
01:15 < rxr> hm - grummel ...
01:15 < rxr> ok - I thin I eat a bit ... and then I'm soon off in the bed ...
01:16 < martin__> ew
01:17 < rxr> oh! Hi martin!!!
01:17 < martin__> re
01:17 < rxr> at this hour - I'm impressed ,)
01:17 < martin__> hi rxr !!!! :)
01:17 < martin__> I come home for 2 minutes :-)
01:17 -!- martin__ is now known as martin
01:17 < rxr> me quite the same
01:17 < rxr> jsut some more minutes ...
01:18 < rxr> we nearly meat a the S-Ring I drove past Neu-Koelln on the way ...
01:19 < martin> "Also warst du bei mir zu Hause." - So, you war at my home (?)
01:19 < martin> was
01:20 < rxr> not at your house - but in the S-Bahn Ring ;-)
01:25 < rxr> so - i'm going to reference tag the current stage as 2.1-alpha
01:25 < rxr> does someone object? ;-)
01:27 < martin> rxr: you want to find the build error from kdeaddons on ppc?
01:28 < rxr> ouhm - i remeber that was s.th. on your host system - some defect you have from rock linux
01:28 < rxr> ah - ja - I remeber - that was the -pthread is in the .la file problem libtool complains it is not able to locate dependency '' ...
01:29 < rxr> this can only be fixed by rebuilding a lot of packages on your system - better install T2 2.1-beta in a week or so ...
01:30 < martin> rxr: every time, I install only ...-beta's. rock 1.4-beta, ..., rock 2.0-beta, ... t2 2.1-beta, .... hmmm
01:30 < rxr> just reinstall with 2.1-final when it is out ;-)
01:30 < rxr> or live with the bug a bit longer ...
01:31 < rxr> but 2.1-beta should not be that buggy - since T2 matured quite a while and has not that these few but annoying bugs anymore
01:31 < rxr> in fact it was not a ROCK bug - but the Gnome people have been stupid again - and IIRC they still are and I patched their brain-deadness in rock and t2 exclusively ...
01:32 < rxr> I told them live @ cebit - but they did not merged my fix fully ...
01:32 < rxr> and the recent 2.8 problems are also (AFAICS) not T2 related but pure Gnome C hackers create random code that happens to form s.th. to execute - but only ramdonly ...
01:39 < martin> okay, I will go sleep, too
01:40 < rxr> cu
01:40 * martin ist away ...
01:41 * rxr 2, soon
01:45 < rxr> when the apple is fully eaten ;-)
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01:55 < rxr> Committed revision 4149.
01:55 < rxr> ^- 2.1.0-alpha tag
01:56 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.48] has joined #t2
01:56 < rxr> rehi mnemoc
01:57 < rxr> you missed:
01:57 < rxr> 01:55 < rxr> Committed revision 4149.
01:57 < rxr> 01:55 < rxr> ^- 2.1.0-alpha tag
01:57 < mnemoc> oh
01:57 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 - 2.1.0-alpha ("Way to heaven") got tagged - have fun hacking
01:57 < mnemoc> does it have a name?
01:57 < rxr> hehe - see topic ;-)
01:58 < mnemoc> hehe... i was talking about $t2
01:58 < rxr> ah - no - none new, yet
01:58 < rxr> should I send a announcement to our mailing list - oh wait - damn we have no - maybe to rock-devel Cc: rock-user *g*
01:58 < mnemoc> :p
01:59 < rxr> valentin: I'm awaiting a mailing list software review ;-) especially with integration summary with our jailed exim configuration ;-) *g*
01:59 < mnemoc> are you subscribed again?
01:59 < rxr> no - but I just posted in the past and trusted cifford will not drop it in the admin interface ;-)
02:00 < mnemoc> ask valentin to send it
02:00 < rxr> the people at #rocklinux annoyed me too much that I unsubscibed from the lists, too ...
02:00 < mnemoc> RL mailing list is just silence
02:01 < mnemoc> blindy is doing a quite nice monthly summary
02:01 < rxr> I read the summary ;-) - was quite short ;-)
02:01 < mnemoc> OT: does 802.11G support 22M access points?
02:02 < rxr> .11g should be fully backward compatible, afaik 22m was never really standarized - and that the support of 22m depends on the manufactor
02:02 < rxr> I recal many support it ...
02:02 < mnemoc> good :) 11 is a bit short
02:04 < rxr> hey - I also only work over 11 ... :-(
02:06 < mnemoc> :p
02:06 < mnemoc> today i settled my wifi router on the house of a neighbor... now i have inet access at home :p
02:07 < mnemoc> but i need to buy a pci one for my desktop
02:08 < valentin> rxr: minimallist config looks quite easy ... still can't remember what SMP said about its problems
02:09 < rxr> some reply-to or so stuff
02:09 < rxr> some header info was not handled perfectly
02:09 < rxr> mnemoc: valentin: please stay a few moments I write up an announcement file that will be commited in 10 minutes or so
02:09 < rxr> would be cool if you could read over it
02:10 < mnemoc> the office is closing :\
02:11 < rxr> oum
02:11 < rxr> how many minutes left?
02:11 < mnemoc> 10 :p
02:11 < rxr> oh
02:14 < rxr> ok - svn up
02:14 < rxr> in the top-level is a new NEWS file
02:14 < rxr> not yet finished - just that you get an idea
02:14 * rxr continuing
02:14 < mnemoc> let see
02:15 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you think about https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004100301425013691 on 2.0?
02:16 < rxr> for rock linux 2.0?
02:19 < mnemoc> yep
02:19 < mnemoc> is it the right way to let it live in peace with 2.1's download structure?
02:19 < mnemoc> also with t2
02:20 < rxr> I take a look at the code after sleep
02:20 < rxr> I want to finish some more NEWS lines and I really need sleep ...
02:20 < rxr> :
02:20 < rxr> :-(
02:20 < mnemoc> ok :)
02:20 < mnemoc> i'm syncing...
02:22 < rxr> NEWS updated
02:22 < rxr> mnemoc: when you just did a huge svn up
02:22 < rxr> you just need svn up NEWS to just get this one file ...
02:22 < rxr> (should be a bit quicker then svn checking the whole tree ...)
02:23 < mnemoc> i was lazy and exec update.sh :|
02:23 < rxr> update.sh ?
02:24 < mnemoc> an script which first svn up over every */.svn it can find
02:24 < mnemoc> then sm sync over every *.sm/
02:24 < rxr> .oO
02:24 < mnemoc> and the svn commit syncs
02:25 < mnemoc> if there are no conflicts and blah blah blah
02:25 < mnemoc> i did some hacks to submaster to work over svn:// or http:// ... etc..
02:26 < rxr> .oO
02:26 < mnemoc> Synced master rev 4143:4151 to local tree.
02:26 < mnemoc>
02:26 < mnemoc> Run 'svn commit -m "SM Sync 4143:4151"' in /usr/src/rock/t2 now.
02:26 < mnemoc>
02:26 < mnemoc> changes at t2
02:26 < mnemoc> executing svn commit -m "SM Sync 4143:4151"
02:26 < mnemoc> Transmitting file data ....................
02:26 < mnemoc> Committed revision 10.
02:26 < mnemoc> less t2/NEWS
02:27 < rxr> you have T2 in a submaster - urgs ...
02:27 < rxr> can you resync T2? I just did the final version for now from my side ...
02:27 * rxr toothbrushing - cu in a second ...
02:29 < mnemoc> rxr: you may tell about download/mirror/[a-z], gnome-2.8, gcc-3.4, and the other main updates which make the difference with 2.0-stable
02:29 < mnemoc> instead of what you didn't adopted from rock-2.1
02:30 < rxr> ok - ack
02:32 < mnemoc> "At October the 3rd, German Unification Day, we announce the first product of our fork" sounds kind of funny ... unification<->fork
02:35 < rxr> "German Unification Day" is a "public holiday" here ..
02:35 < mnemoc> i now
02:36 < mnemoc> it's funny to see a milestone of a fork on such a day :p
02:36 < rxr> yes - it is funny - and this is why I wrote it ;-)
02:40 < mnemoc> :D
02:40 < valentin> perhaps you should add some visions to the news file, e.g what you want instead of pseudo cross compiliation
02:41 < rxr> jups - just don
02:41 < rxr> svn up it ;-)
02:42 < rxr> anyone awake pelase svn up NEWS ;-)
02:42 < mnemoc> rxr: after you sleep it _still_ be oct 3. you can think about the 'visions' after that :p
02:42 < mnemoc> i gotta go :/
02:42 < mnemoc> cu
02:42 < rxr> cu mnemoc - greetings to your family!
02:45 < rxr> valentin: any more NEWS comments for now?
02:45 < rxr> feel free to improve it and commit it ...
02:50 < valentin> i would do less rock bashing in it
02:51 < rxr> then propose ...
02:51 < rxr> I have this locally now , too:
02:51 < rxr> + * revisited configuration system
02:51 < rxr> +
02:51 < rxr> + * targets will select to-be-built packages by specifing dependency nodes
02:51 < rxr> + (not those stupid static lists ...)
02:51 < rxr> +
02:51 < rxr> + * optional graphical configration
02:51 < rxr> +
02:51 < rxr> + * optional graphical dependny vizualisation (esepcially for end-user Emerge)
02:51 < rxr> +
02:51 < rxr> + * revisited installer - including an optional graphically one, not on
02:51 < rxr> + SuSE's Yast2 or M$ Windows level, but even surpassing the usability of
02:51 < rxr> + Fedora(tm whatever) or MacOSX(tm bla)
02:51 < rxr> +
02:51 < rxr> + * revisited post-install / STONE stuff ...
02:51 < rxr> +
02:51 < rxr> but after so many "I'm now in bed" words - I'm finally of now and will not commit it right now ..
02:52 < rxr> the above is for the 3.0 agenda ...
03:17 < mnemoc> re :)
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10:53 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - 2.1.0-alpha ("Way to heaven") got tagged - have fun hacking
10:53 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Sun Oct 3 01:59:04 2004]
10:53 [Users #t2]
10:53 [ jsaw_] [ martin] [ mnemoc] [ rxr] [ rxr_] [ valentin]
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12:13 < rxr> I just committed a NEWS update - svn up and review
12:13 < rxr> Committed revision 4155.
13:22 < mnemoc> moin
13:23 < rxr> moin mnemoc
13:23 < rxr> you could review the NEWS (svn up) if you are happy with posting s.th. like that ;;-)
13:24 < mnemoc> mom
13:28 < rxr> take you time - I busy anyway ...
13:28 < mnemoc> C NEWS
13:28 < mnemoc> :\
13:28 < mnemoc> you fixed the 'seperated' typo :p
13:29 < rxr> :-)
13:32 < mnemoc> looks good :)
13:36 < mnemoc> gnome 2.8?
13:37 < mnemoc> or it's 'just and update'?
13:38 < rxr> "just an update (that does not yet compile that well" ...
13:39 < mnemoc> oh
13:43 * mnemoc droping t2.sm
13:43 < rxr> hm?
13:44 < mnemoc> it's a trunk.... i can 'play' there... isn't it?
13:45 < rxr> sure!
13:48 < mnemoc> rxr: apropos firefox a thunderbird... am i wrong or they 'share' lot of stuff?
13:50 < mnemoc> is a mozilla-lib and /opt/mozilla for firefox, thunderbird, sunbird _and_ mozilla?
13:51 < mnemoc> s/\?/ too evil\?/
13:57 < mnemoc> .oO( err.. i forgot to switch to http:// )o
14:17 < rxr> yes - they share a lot - and afaics this is intended and most probably will crash heavily when we try to hack it to use a common libgecko.so or so ...
14:17 < rxr> I would not inevest time in it until it is officially supported by the mozilla people ...
14:17 < rxr> mnemoc: so you vote for submiting the NEWS as email to rock-user or so?
14:18 < mnemoc> valentin proposed to add 'why not'-s on it
14:18 < mnemoc> but i think it's ok
14:19 < rxr> what did valentin prposed to add, where?
14:20 < mnemoc> he said you may add 'visions', i.e. why you don't want pseudo-native thing, slipts, forks, blah blah blah
14:20 < mnemoc> and why rock-2.1 will no get stable in this century :p
14:21 < rxr> hm - maybe some of you want add some of those lines? ;-)
14:21 < valentin> hey - no rock bashing in the NEWS !
14:22 < valentin> (we actually bash them between the lines, but...)
14:22 < mnemoc> :D
14:23 < mnemoc> i guess i got confused
14:27 < martin> okay, I will go sleep, too
14:27 < martin> exit
14:27 < martin> exit
14:33 * martin is confused, too? :-) the wrong keys ...
14:33 < mnemoc> =)
15:29 < rxr> mnemoc: hey cool - you commited to t2 ;-)!
15:39 < mnemoc> :p
15:52 < rxr> btw, valentin is working on mailinst lists on our server ...
15:53 < mnemoc> don't forget to subscribe me :p
15:55 < mnemoc> rxr: what should i hack to add non-distributable packages (like qmail) into t2? ... if i don't branch i'll have to move my dirty pseudo-multi target (called mnemosyne) into t2
15:57 < rxr> add this to the .desc
15:57 < rxr> [DIST] nomirror nocd
15:58 < rxr> or what applies to qmail - maybe comment it out with a #
15:58 < mnemoc> ok
15:58 < rxr> I then add support for this the the download scripts and such ...
15:58 < rxr> I think a dist tag is much nicer then the mixed NODIST in the D tag and the extra CD tag ...
15:59 < mnemoc> [F] nocd nomirror?
15:59 < mnemoc> like just another flag?
16:00 < mnemoc> .oO( #[D] for 2.1, of course )o
16:00 < rxr> hm - I would like to keep them seperated so the information is groupped, and we get more flags in the future anyway (like some cross flag, or alternative OS flags and such - so the flags would get pretty soon filled with different stuff
16:00 < mnemoc> .oO( uhm.... how will it know the tarball location )o
16:01 < rxr> what do tarball location do you mean?
16:01 < mnemoc> download/nomirror/q/qmail-blah.tar.bz2
16:01 < mnemoc> are you hacking $archdir as rock does?
16:02 < rxr> where do you need it (in the package .conf?)
16:02 < rxr> yes, $archdir is this "virtual thing" as rock 2.1 did it (when I forked)
16:02 < mnemoc> build_this_damn_package
16:03 < mnemoc> if i comment #[D] i'll miss that info.... [D] file:///root/ ?
16:03 < rxr> you do not commetn out [D] ;-)
16:04 < rxr> [D] is normal like [D] XYZ the-file.tar.bz2 http://somewhere/bla/blubs/
16:04 < mnemoc> [DIST] nomirror will be at 2.1?
16:04 < rxr> an with the [DIST] nomirror it will be download/nodist(or nomirror=)/t/the-file.tar.bz2
16:05 < rxr> and without the [DIST] tag download/mirror/t/the-file.tar.bz2
16:05 < rxr> AFAICS we have not yet a sane function that returns the url for you - we might should add such an function
16:06 < rxr> if you like you prototype the package .conf the way you would expect it to work - and I implement the necessary download and functions or so stuff next week ...
16:06 < mnemoc> good
16:07 < mnemoc> brb
19:24 < rxr> jsaw_: cool - thanks for fixing the attr acl packages! ;-)
19:35 < jsaw_> rxr: np
19:35 < jsaw_> rxr: some of the gnome2 errors are simple priority errors, will correct them during the week.
19:38 < rxr> the link errors look real ...
19:38 < rxr> I tried to move gconf-editor back - but it did not fixed it to build (some gcon was nof found IIRC) - but yeah - would be nice to get the gnome stuff fixed ... ;-)
19:42 < jsaw_> gconf-editor is fixed by updating here (commit comes later)
19:43 < rxr> ;-)
19:43 < jsaw_> I'm now at 1303 builds total, 594 completed fine, 54 with errors.
19:44 < jsaw_> gotta leave again, my family kicks me otherwise :)
19:44 < rxr> ;-) have fun!
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23:19 < jsaw_> re
23:24 < rxr> hi jsaw_
23:24 < jsaw_> rxr: could you check if acl builds? seems I have to correct another autofluff usage error...
23:25 < jsaw_> btw, what's the name of the post install hook?
23:29 < rxr> oeh - "postinstall"
23:32 < jsaw_> ohoh, I mixed the name/number order of hook_add ...
23:33 < jsaw_> btw, your if.patch (linux-header) is not enough
23:34 < rxr> I adapted it already ... - what fails on your side?
23:34 < jsaw_> valgrind
23:35 < jsaw_> compare net/if.h: almost everything is in net/if.h besides if_settings and the IF_.* defines
23:37 < rxr> yes, first I comment nearly all out IIRC, but some stuff just included some kernel header that needed those defines - so I changed the #ifdef __KERNEL__ part again ...
23:37 < rxr> hm - haven't I fixed it for valgrind already - strange
23:37 < jsaw_> okay, valgrind builds.
23:38 < jsaw_> I commit my if.patch change now, have a look, maybe you want to change it again.
23:39 < rxr> ok
--- Log closed Sun Oct 03 00:00:53 2004