--- Log opened Sat Oct 02 00:00:39 2004 00:56 < rxr> re 00:56 < rxr> yes, you have 00:57 < rxr> via the password hash you gave to me .. 00:58 < rxr> == 19:34:32 =[5]=> Building www/firefox [0.10.1 2.1.0-DEV]. 00:58 < rxr> == 10/02/04 20:30:34 =[5]=> Finished building package firefox. 01:00 < mnemoc> rxr: ok 01:00 < rxr> please try to stick to the commit messag layout - I already tried to introduce @ rock times ... 01:00 < rxr> * text 01:00 < rxr> * sub items ... 01:00 < mnemoc> ok 01:01 < rxr> ^- one more ' ' of course .. 01:01 < rxr> @ the sub item ;-) 01:01 < mnemoc> one ' ' per idendentation level 01:02 < rxr> I think I used two more for each sub level to indent with the text of the parent item 01:02 < rxr> but you will not use sub items that often, so just try ... ;-) 01:02 < rxr> I write it up when we have a name and a web page .. 01:03 < mnemoc> frock :p 01:03 < mnemoc> sounds funny 01:03 < rxr> hehe 01:03 < rxr> what are you going to commit? 01:04 < mnemoc> update to clip :p 01:04 < rxr> ;-) 01:04 < mnemoc> mainly updates 01:04 < rxr> nice ;-)! 01:07 < rxr> oki next fix - we are pretty near to an 2.1-alpha reference tag 01:08 < rxr> to bad we missed valentins birthday slightly :-( 01:08 < mnemoc> uhm? 01:11 < rxr> for the tag - as special brithday present ;-) 01:11 < mnemoc> :p 01:15 < rxr> hm - grummel ... 01:15 < rxr> ok - I thin I eat a bit ... and then I'm soon off in the bed ... 01:16 < martin__> ew 01:17 < rxr> oh! Hi martin!!! 01:17 < martin__> re 01:17 < rxr> at this hour - I'm impressed ,) 01:17 < martin__> hi rxr !!!! :) 01:17 < martin__> I come home for 2 minutes :-) 01:17 -!- martin__ is now known as martin 01:17 < rxr> me quite the same 01:17 < rxr> jsut some more minutes ... 01:18 < rxr> we nearly meat a the S-Ring I drove past Neu-Koelln on the way ... 01:19 < martin> "Also warst du bei mir zu Hause." - So, you war at my home (?) 01:19 < martin> was 01:20 < rxr> not at your house - but in the S-Bahn Ring ;-) 01:25 < rxr> so - i'm going to reference tag the current stage as 2.1-alpha 01:25 < rxr> does someone object? ;-) 01:27 < martin> rxr: you want to find the build error from kdeaddons on ppc? 01:28 < rxr> ouhm - i remeber that was s.th. on your host system - some defect you have from rock linux 01:28 < rxr> ah - ja - I remeber - that was the -pthread is in the .la file problem libtool complains it is not able to locate dependency '' ... 01:29 < rxr> this can only be fixed by rebuilding a lot of packages on your system - better install T2 2.1-beta in a week or so ... 01:30 < martin> rxr: every time, I install only ...-beta's. rock 1.4-beta, ..., rock 2.0-beta, ... t2 2.1-beta, .... hmmm 01:30 < rxr> just reinstall with 2.1-final when it is out ;-) 01:30 < rxr> or live with the bug a bit longer ... 01:31 < rxr> but 2.1-beta should not be that buggy - since T2 matured quite a while and has not that these few but annoying bugs anymore 01:31 < rxr> in fact it was not a ROCK bug - but the Gnome people have been stupid again - and IIRC they still are and I patched their brain-deadness in rock and t2 exclusively ... 01:32 < rxr> I told them live @ cebit - but they did not merged my fix fully ... 01:32 < rxr> and the recent 2.8 problems are also (AFAICS) not T2 related but pure Gnome C hackers create random code that happens to form s.th. to execute - but only ramdonly ... 01:39 < martin> okay, I will go sleep, too 01:40 < rxr> cu 01:40 * martin ist away ... 01:41 * rxr 2, soon 01:45 < rxr> when the apple is fully eaten ;-) 01:54 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.54] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:55 < rxr> Committed revision 4149. 01:55 < rxr> ^- 2.1.0-alpha tag 01:56 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.48] has joined #t2 01:56 < rxr> rehi mnemoc 01:57 < rxr> you missed: 01:57 < rxr> 01:55 < rxr> Committed revision 4149. 01:57 < rxr> 01:55 < rxr> ^- 2.1.0-alpha tag 01:57 < mnemoc> oh 01:57 -!- rxr changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 - 2.1.0-alpha ("Way to heaven") got tagged - have fun hacking 01:57 < mnemoc> does it have a name? 01:57 < rxr> hehe - see topic ;-) 01:58 < mnemoc> hehe... i was talking about $t2 01:58 < rxr> ah - no - none new, yet 01:58 < rxr> should I send a announcement to our mailing list - oh wait - damn we have no - maybe to rock-devel Cc: rock-user *g* 01:58 < mnemoc> :p 01:59 < rxr> valentin: I'm awaiting a mailing list software review ;-) especially with integration summary with our jailed exim configuration ;-) *g* 01:59 < mnemoc> are you subscribed again? 01:59 < rxr> no - but I just posted in the past and trusted cifford will not drop it in the admin interface ;-) 02:00 < mnemoc> ask valentin to send it 02:00 < rxr> the people at #rocklinux annoyed me too much that I unsubscibed from the lists, too ... 02:00 < mnemoc> RL mailing list is just silence 02:01 < mnemoc> blindy is doing a quite nice monthly summary 02:01 < rxr> I read the summary ;-) - was quite short ;-) 02:01 < mnemoc> OT: does 802.11G support 22M access points? 02:02 < rxr> .11g should be fully backward compatible, afaik 22m was never really standarized - and that the support of 22m depends on the manufactor 02:02 < rxr> I recal many support it ... 02:02 < mnemoc> good :) 11 is a bit short 02:04 < rxr> hey - I also only work over 11 ... :-( 02:06 < mnemoc> :p 02:06 < mnemoc> today i settled my wifi router on the house of a neighbor... now i have inet access at home :p 02:07 < mnemoc> but i need to buy a pci one for my desktop 02:08 < valentin> rxr: minimallist config looks quite easy ... still can't remember what SMP said about its problems 02:09 < rxr> some reply-to or so stuff 02:09 < rxr> some header info was not handled perfectly 02:09 < rxr> mnemoc: valentin: please stay a few moments I write up an announcement file that will be commited in 10 minutes or so 02:09 < rxr> would be cool if you could read over it 02:10 < mnemoc> the office is closing :\ 02:11 < rxr> oum 02:11 < rxr> how many minutes left? 02:11 < mnemoc> 10 :p 02:11 < rxr> oh 02:14 < rxr> ok - svn up 02:14 < rxr> in the top-level is a new NEWS file 02:14 < rxr> not yet finished - just that you get an idea 02:14 * rxr continuing 02:14 < mnemoc> let see 02:15 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you think about https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/smadm.cgi?i=2004100301425013691 on 2.0? 02:16 < rxr> for rock linux 2.0? 02:19 < mnemoc> yep 02:19 < mnemoc> is it the right way to let it live in peace with 2.1's download structure? 02:19 < mnemoc> also with t2 02:20 < rxr> I take a look at the code after sleep 02:20 < rxr> I want to finish some more NEWS lines and I really need sleep ... 02:20 < rxr> : 02:20 < rxr> :-( 02:20 < mnemoc> ok :) 02:20 < mnemoc> i'm syncing... 02:22 < rxr> NEWS updated 02:22 < rxr> mnemoc: when you just did a huge svn up 02:22 < rxr> you just need svn up NEWS to just get this one file ... 02:22 < rxr> (should be a bit quicker then svn checking the whole tree ...) 02:23 < mnemoc> i was lazy and exec update.sh :| 02:23 < rxr> update.sh ? 02:24 < mnemoc> an script which first svn up over every */.svn it can find 02:24 < mnemoc> then sm sync over every *.sm/ 02:24 < rxr> .oO 02:24 < mnemoc> and the svn commit syncs 02:25 < mnemoc> if there are no conflicts and blah blah blah 02:25 < mnemoc> i did some hacks to submaster to work over svn:// or http:// ... etc.. 02:26 < rxr> .oO 02:26 < mnemoc> Synced master rev 4143:4151 to local tree. 02:26 < mnemoc> 02:26 < mnemoc> Run 'svn commit -m "SM Sync 4143:4151"' in /usr/src/rock/t2 now. 02:26 < mnemoc> 02:26 < mnemoc> changes at t2 02:26 < mnemoc> executing svn commit -m "SM Sync 4143:4151" 02:26 < mnemoc> Transmitting file data .................... 02:26 < mnemoc> Committed revision 10. 02:26 < mnemoc> less t2/NEWS 02:27 < rxr> you have T2 in a submaster - urgs ... 02:27 < rxr> can you resync T2? I just did the final version for now from my side ... 02:27 * rxr toothbrushing - cu in a second ... 02:29 < mnemoc> rxr: you may tell about download/mirror/[a-z], gnome-2.8, gcc-3.4, and the other main updates which make the difference with 2.0-stable 02:29 < mnemoc> instead of what you didn't adopted from rock-2.1 02:30 < rxr> ok - ack 02:32 < mnemoc> "At October the 3rd, German Unification Day, we announce the first product of our fork" sounds kind of funny ... unification<->fork 02:35 < rxr> "German Unification Day" is a "public holiday" here .. 02:35 < mnemoc> i now 02:36 < mnemoc> it's funny to see a milestone of a fork on such a day :p 02:36 < rxr> yes - it is funny - and this is why I wrote it ;-) 02:40 < mnemoc> :D 02:40 < valentin> perhaps you should add some visions to the news file, e.g what you want instead of pseudo cross compiliation 02:41 < rxr> jups - just don 02:41 < rxr> svn up it ;-) 02:42 < rxr> anyone awake pelase svn up NEWS ;-) 02:42 < mnemoc> rxr: after you sleep it _still_ be oct 3. you can think about the 'visions' after that :p 02:42 < mnemoc> i gotta go :/ 02:42 < mnemoc> cu 02:42 < rxr> cu mnemoc - greetings to your family! 02:45 < rxr> valentin: any more NEWS comments for now? 02:45 < rxr> feel free to improve it and commit it ... 02:50 < valentin> i would do less rock bashing in it 02:51 < rxr> then propose ... 02:51 < rxr> I have this locally now , too: 02:51 < rxr> + * revisited configuration system 02:51 < rxr> + 02:51 < rxr> + * targets will select to-be-built packages by specifing dependency nodes 02:51 < rxr> + (not those stupid static lists ...) 02:51 < rxr> + 02:51 < rxr> + * optional graphical configration 02:51 < rxr> + 02:51 < rxr> + * optional graphical dependny vizualisation (esepcially for end-user Emerge) 02:51 < rxr> + 02:51 < rxr> + * revisited installer - including an optional graphically one, not on 02:51 < rxr> + SuSE's Yast2 or M$ Windows level, but even surpassing the usability of 02:51 < rxr> + Fedora(tm whatever) or MacOSX(tm bla) 02:51 < rxr> + 02:51 < rxr> + * revisited post-install / STONE stuff ... 02:51 < rxr> + 02:51 < rxr> but after so many "I'm now in bed" words - I'm finally of now and will not commit it right now .. 02:52 < rxr> the above is for the 3.0 agenda ... 03:17 < mnemoc> re :) 07:13 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mnemoc, valentin, jsaw_, martin 07:14 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: mnemoc, martin 07:14 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mnemoc, martin 07:16 -!- valentin [~valentin@port-212-202-42-20.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #t2 07:16 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 07:16 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mnemoc, martin 10:53 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.197.177.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 10:53 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 - 2.1.0-alpha ("Way to heaven") got tagged - have fun hacking 10:53 -!- Topic set by rxr [] [Sun Oct 3 01:59:04 2004] 10:53 [Users #t2] 10:53 [ jsaw_] [ martin] [ mnemoc] [ rxr] [ rxr_] [ valentin] 10:53 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 6 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 6 normal] 10:53 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 10:53 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 16 secs 10:56 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.231.163.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:12 -!- You're now known as rxr 12:13 < rxr> I just committed a NEWS update - svn up and review 12:13 < rxr> Committed revision 4155. 13:22 < mnemoc> moin 13:23 < rxr> moin mnemoc 13:23 < rxr> you could review the NEWS (svn up) if you are happy with posting s.th. like that ;;-) 13:24 < mnemoc> mom 13:28 < rxr> take you time - I busy anyway ... 13:28 < mnemoc> C NEWS 13:28 < mnemoc> :\ 13:28 < mnemoc> you fixed the 'seperated' typo :p 13:29 < rxr> :-) 13:32 < mnemoc> looks good :) 13:36 < mnemoc> gnome 2.8? 13:37 < mnemoc> or it's 'just and update'? 13:38 < rxr> "just an update (that does not yet compile that well" ... 13:39 < mnemoc> oh 13:43 * mnemoc droping t2.sm 13:43 < rxr> hm? 13:44 < mnemoc> it's a trunk.... i can 'play' there... isn't it? 13:45 < rxr> sure! 13:48 < mnemoc> rxr: apropos firefox a thunderbird... am i wrong or they 'share' lot of stuff? 13:50 < mnemoc> is a mozilla-lib and /opt/mozilla for firefox, thunderbird, sunbird _and_ mozilla? 13:51 < mnemoc> s/\?/ too evil\?/ 13:57 < mnemoc> .oO( err.. i forgot to switch to http:// )o 14:17 < rxr> yes - they share a lot - and afaics this is intended and most probably will crash heavily when we try to hack it to use a common libgecko.so or so ... 14:17 < rxr> I would not inevest time in it until it is officially supported by the mozilla people ... 14:17 < rxr> mnemoc: so you vote for submiting the NEWS as email to rock-user or so? 14:18 < mnemoc> valentin proposed to add 'why not'-s on it 14:18 < mnemoc> but i think it's ok 14:19 < rxr> what did valentin prposed to add, where? 14:20 < mnemoc> he said you may add 'visions', i.e. why you don't want pseudo-native thing, slipts, forks, blah blah blah 14:20 < mnemoc> and why rock-2.1 will no get stable in this century :p 14:21 < rxr> hm - maybe some of you want add some of those lines? ;-) 14:21 < valentin> hey - no rock bashing in the NEWS ! 14:22 < valentin> (we actually bash them between the lines, but...) 14:22 < mnemoc> :D 14:23 < mnemoc> i guess i got confused 14:27 < martin> okay, I will go sleep, too 14:27 < martin> exit 14:27 < martin> exit 14:33 * martin is confused, too? :-) the wrong keys ... 14:33 < mnemoc> =) 15:29 < rxr> mnemoc: hey cool - you commited to t2 ;-)! 15:39 < mnemoc> :p 15:52 < rxr> btw, valentin is working on mailinst lists on our server ... 15:53 < mnemoc> don't forget to subscribe me :p 15:55 < mnemoc> rxr: what should i hack to add non-distributable packages (like qmail) into t2? ... if i don't branch i'll have to move my dirty pseudo-multi target (called mnemosyne) into t2 15:57 < rxr> add this to the .desc 15:57 < rxr> [DIST] nomirror nocd 15:58 < rxr> or what applies to qmail - maybe comment it out with a # 15:58 < mnemoc> ok 15:58 < rxr> I then add support for this the the download scripts and such ... 15:58 < rxr> I think a dist tag is much nicer then the mixed NODIST in the D tag and the extra CD tag ... 15:59 < mnemoc> [F] nocd nomirror? 15:59 < mnemoc> like just another flag? 16:00 < mnemoc> .oO( #[D] for 2.1, of course )o 16:00 < rxr> hm - I would like to keep them seperated so the information is groupped, and we get more flags in the future anyway (like some cross flag, or alternative OS flags and such - so the flags would get pretty soon filled with different stuff 16:00 < mnemoc> .oO( uhm.... how will it know the tarball location )o 16:01 < rxr> what do tarball location do you mean? 16:01 < mnemoc> download/nomirror/q/qmail-blah.tar.bz2 16:01 < mnemoc> are you hacking $archdir as rock does? 16:02 < rxr> where do you need it (in the package .conf?) 16:02 < rxr> yes, $archdir is this "virtual thing" as rock 2.1 did it (when I forked) 16:02 < mnemoc> build_this_damn_package 16:03 < mnemoc> if i comment #[D] i'll miss that info.... [D] file:///root/ ? 16:03 < rxr> you do not commetn out [D] ;-) 16:04 < rxr> [D] is normal like [D] XYZ the-file.tar.bz2 http://somewhere/bla/blubs/ 16:04 < mnemoc> [DIST] nomirror will be at 2.1? 16:04 < rxr> an with the [DIST] nomirror it will be download/nodist(or nomirror=)/t/the-file.tar.bz2 16:05 < rxr> and without the [DIST] tag download/mirror/t/the-file.tar.bz2 16:05 < rxr> AFAICS we have not yet a sane function that returns the url for you - we might should add such an function 16:06 < rxr> if you like you prototype the package .conf the way you would expect it to work - and I implement the necessary download and functions or so stuff next week ... 16:06 < mnemoc> good 16:07 < mnemoc> brb 19:24 < rxr> jsaw_: cool - thanks for fixing the attr acl packages! ;-) 19:35 < jsaw_> rxr: np 19:35 < jsaw_> rxr: some of the gnome2 errors are simple priority errors, will correct them during the week. 19:38 < rxr> the link errors look real ... 19:38 < rxr> I tried to move gconf-editor back - but it did not fixed it to build (some gcon was nof found IIRC) - but yeah - would be nice to get the gnome stuff fixed ... ;-) 19:42 < jsaw_> gconf-editor is fixed by updating here (commit comes later) 19:43 < rxr> ;-) 19:43 < jsaw_> I'm now at 1303 builds total, 594 completed fine, 54 with errors. 19:44 < jsaw_> gotta leave again, my family kicks me otherwise :) 19:44 < rxr> ;-) have fun! 22:46 -!- martin_ [~martin@brln-d9ba1ca6.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 22:51 -!- martin [~martin@brln-d9ba1ecf.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:19 < jsaw_> re 23:24 < rxr> hi jsaw_ 23:24 < jsaw_> rxr: could you check if acl builds? seems I have to correct another autofluff usage error... 23:25 < jsaw_> btw, what's the name of the post install hook? 23:29 < rxr> oeh - "postinstall" 23:32 < jsaw_> ohoh, I mixed the name/number order of hook_add ... 23:33 < jsaw_> btw, your if.patch (linux-header) is not enough 23:34 < rxr> I adapted it already ... - what fails on your side? 23:34 < jsaw_> valgrind 23:35 < jsaw_> compare net/if.h: almost everything is in net/if.h besides if_settings and the IF_.* defines 23:37 < rxr> yes, first I comment nearly all out IIRC, but some stuff just included some kernel header that needed those defines - so I changed the #ifdef __KERNEL__ part again ... 23:37 < rxr> hm - haven't I fixed it for valgrind already - strange 23:37 < jsaw_> okay, valgrind builds. 23:38 < jsaw_> I commit my if.patch change now, have a look, maybe you want to change it again. 23:39 < rxr> ok --- Log closed Sun Oct 03 00:00:53 2004