T2 IRC Log: 2004-11-15

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--- Log opened Mon Nov 15 00:00:44 2004
01:05 -!- Sparc-kly|G4 [~sparc@65-23-193-94.prtc.net] has joined #t2
01:34 < mnemoc> which is a base/filesystem and with an extra/filesystem ?
01:35 < mnemoc> xfs is base or extra?
01:35 < rxr> what do you mean with base and extra?
01:36 < rxr> free MP3's and Ogg/Vorbis files:
01:36 < rxr> http://www.falk-huebner.de/audio.html
01:36 < rxr> for personal use only, of course. I shoul note that on the page ....
01:36 < mnemoc> which is a base/filesystem and with an extra/filesystem
01:37 < mnemoc> rxr: on #linuxpreview (latin comunity) we have a radio, with a 30 minutes program once a week. can we use your music? :)
01:38 < mnemoc> www.red-handed.com.ar
01:38 < valentin> mnemoc: ls package/*/$filesystemname -d | cut -d '/' -f 2
01:38 < valentin> *g*
01:38 < mnemoc> :\
01:38 * valentin not vey productive today ...
01:39 < rxr> mnemoc: this is not my music - but Copyright Falk Huebner ... I or you need to ask him if you wanna broadcast them ,-)
01:39 < rxr> mnemoc: I still do not understand you question fully ...
01:40 < rxr> if you ask me all filesystems should be in filesystem - none in the base repository if this was your question ;-)
01:40 < mnemoc> the program is broadcasted _but_ also redistributed as .ogg
01:40 < mnemoc> rxr: my uestion was about categories
01:42 < rxr> ah - categories - the to be redone thing ...
01:42 < mnemoc> :)
01:42 < rxr> the base and extra thing does not make much sense for the filesystems - maybe none at all ...
01:43 < rxr> mnemoc: should I ask Falk whether you mayb reditribute them? Have you some link to your broadcast community?
01:43 < mnemoc> the programs are at www.red-handed.com.ar
01:43 < valentin> rxr: should i revert the canges in your gdb subdir (before you accidentaly commit them into trunk ?)
01:43 < mnemoc> quite poor for the moment
01:44 < mnemoc> it's about open source, open music, events, anime, ...
01:44 < mnemoc> on spanish of course
01:44 < rxr> I ask Falk when I phone him the next time - I guess it will be ok ...
01:45 < rxr> valentin: hm - you might want to just commit it - I think ...
01:45 < rxr> but commit it on your side, so it has your user-id ... ;-)
01:46 < mnemoc> :p
01:47 < valentin> but the gdb 6.3 segfaults on sparc as the 6.1.x does
01:50 < valentin> ok, i commit it
01:51 < CIA-9> valentin * r4687 /trunk/package/develop/gdb/ (gdb.desc installed-by-binutils.patch): * updating gdb to version 6.3
01:52 < rxr> yeah - as the old version - correct ...
01:52 < rxr> but I do not want to rediff that ugly install patch again ... - so better let's save this gith nwo ...
01:52 < rxr> now even ...
01:53 < valentin> :)
01:57 < rxr> mnemoc: will you listen to some of the audio files? Or do you already do?
01:58 < mnemoc> i have download two
01:59 < mnemoc> and listen of course
02:00 < mnemoc> i was thinking is playing it as background music on the progrma
02:01 < valentin> oh - what kind of music do you normaly play as 'background music' ?
02:02 < mnemoc> none :\
02:02 < rxr> ok - enough html frickling for today/tonight
02:02 * rxr a bit guitar practising and then off into bed ...
02:03 < mnemoc> there is no much free music around the net
02:04 < rxr> cu
02:05 < valentin> there is many that is free for personal use
02:05 < valentin> ng8 rxr
02:05 < valentin> gn8
02:05 < valentin> even
02:05 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin
02:07 < valentin> hey - no
02:08 < valentin> i just wanted to say gn8 to rxr
02:08 < valentin> but i'll leave soon, too
02:09 < mnemoc> :p
02:09 < mnemoc> valentin: can you point me to same places?
02:09 < mnemoc> valentin: i'm not good on german :p
02:11 < valentin> normaly homepages of bands
02:12 < mnemoc> the band i know don't do that :(
02:12 < mnemoc> bands*
02:14 < rxr> valentin: maybe you wanna google for the gdb sparc corruption a bit - and/or notify the gdb people on the mailing list ...
02:14 < rxr> we need a working gdb ... ;-)
02:14 < rxr> n8 ...
02:14 < mnemoc> n8 rene
02:15 < valentin> mnemoc: just google for free mp3 music
02:16 < valentin> http://www.epitonic.com/
02:16 < mnemoc> aha
02:17 < valentin> there are tons of sites like that
02:17 < mnemoc> i have googled, but... :)
02:17 < valentin> but i do not think you are alowed to broadcast the songs commercialy
02:17 < mnemoc> the radio is not commercial
02:18 < valentin> but it is no private use, is it ?
02:18 < mnemoc> and the program neither :) it's about open source projects :p
02:18 < valentin> fuck lawyers
02:18 < valentin> search for creative commons license
02:18 < mnemoc> ok
02:19 < valentin> http://creativecommons.org/
02:24 < valentin> just one glas of milk and i'm away
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02:27 < CIA-9> rene * r4688 /trunk/package/base/mouseemu/mouseemu.init: * aded automatic loading of uinput to mouseemu.init
02:28 < valentin> rxr fixes bugs in his sleep :))
02:34 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.246.77.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
02:34 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | the system development environment | http://www.exactcode.de/t2
02:34 -!- Topic set by valentin [] [Sun Nov 7 16:41:27 2004]
02:34 [Users #t2]
02:34 [ _martin ] [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ praenti] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin]
02:34 [ _Ragnar__] [ daja77] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly]
02:34 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 11 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal]
02:34 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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02:34 < valentin> ok, gn8
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02:34 < rxr_> yep because this just annoyed me for days and so much that I finally fixed all that crap up ...a1
02:35 < valentin> rxr: damn - i was logged into your system
02:35 < valentin> f****ng reconnects
02:41 < valentin> gn8
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03:08 < rxr_> rehi
03:09 -!- You're now known as rxr
03:09 < rxr> yeah - sorry for my poor dsl connection
03:09 < rxr> I wanted to have the superior one - u
03:09 < rxr> but they have no cable in the earh here ... :-(
03:10 < rxr> so - I found what kept my iBook freezing during suspend to ram sometimes with the latest kernel: the radeon drm module ...
03:10 < rxr> so now really off - cu
03:10 < mnemoc> cu rene
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06:52 < _martin> moin rxr, mouseemu now works?
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12:28 < rxr> moin
12:29 < rxr> _martin: no - still not perfectly ...
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12:54 < mnemoc> rehi
12:57 < rxr> moin
12:57 < mnemoc> moin rxr
12:58 < mnemoc> OT: can i use htpassword for svn:// ?
12:59 < rxr> you can not commit into our repository via svn://
12:59 < rxr> I have not yet reviewed
13:00 < rxr> what authentication styles are an option for svn:// but IIRC most often svn+ssh is used ...
13:00 < mnemoc> i don't like to have plain passwords on my svn server
13:00 < mnemoc> on the users file
13:02 < CIA-9> rene * r4690 /trunk/package/kde/ (3 files in 3 dirs):
13:02 < CIA-9> * updated digikam (0.7-beta1 -> 0.7)
13:02 < CIA-9> * fixed the libkexif and libpiki URL tags to no use a sf.net mirror
13:03 < CIA-9> rene * r4691 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/radeon-ibook.patch: * updated the radeon-ibook patch with BenH's latest incarnation
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13:25 < mnemoc> re :)
13:49 < sparc-kly> hi :P
13:51 < mnemoc> hi sparc-kly
14:08 * sparc-kly compiling mozilla 1.7.3 in sparc :D
14:11 < valentin> our exactcode.de server will be unreachable for 20 minutes on 2004-11-21 between 4:00 and 5:00 MET
14:23 < mnemoc> :(
14:39 < sparc-kly> rxr desktop t2 is avaiable for download ?
14:41 < valentin> sparc-kly: rxr is away, but his build still lacks qt
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15:20 < rxr> sparc-kly: yes - most sparc stuff built quite well - we'll have a CD soon
15:21 < rxr> 958 builds total, 840 completed fine, 118 with errors.
15:21 < rxr> ^- sparc
15:21 < rxr> most errors due to faliing qt ...
15:27 < rxr> http://www.klear.org/
15:28 < sparc-kly> and x86 t2 desktop is end?
15:29 < sparc-kly> cool soft
15:30 < rxr> I hpoe to release x86 t2 desktop tomorrow
15:30 < rxr> of course qt does build on powerpc and x86, just a problem on recent sparc
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16:00 < sparc-kly> dsl sucks
16:00 < rxr> ehe
16:00 < rxr> hehe ven
16:00 < rxr> even - damn
16:00 < rxr> s.th. with the connection here, sucks, too ...
16:02 < daja77> ordering dsl from arcor sucks too ..
16:03 < jsaw> re
16:03 < jsaw> daja77: you went for arcor?
16:04 < daja77> yes ...
16:04 < jsaw> daja77: ... means what? that it was a bad decision? (I'm thinking about...lowering telephone costs...)
16:07 < daja77> it just means that they are dogslow
16:09 < daja77> but if you are converting from telekom it might be faster
16:10 < jsaw> daja77: well, probably. I had a contract already which I cancelled (I was to lazy to look up the DSL costs, and the guy on the phone didn't tell that it is not a real flat rate - which I found out when the paper stuff arrived...)
16:12 < daja77> it is not possible to convert from isdn to dsl via www or phone ...
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17:21 < CIA-9> jsaw * r4692 /trunk/package/ruby/ruby/ruby.conf: * package ruby: enable pthread's and build shared libraries
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19:13 < rxr> re
19:23 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/t2/committutorial.html
19:24 < mnemoc> uhm?
19:25 < mnemoc> did you write it?
19:26 < rxr> nost all - the basics are pasted from the KDE site ;-)
19:26 < rxr> ^-not all ;-)
19:28 < mnemoc> =)
19:29 < rxr> do you like it?
19:29 < rxr> (I'm still overworking some lines ...)
19:29 < mnemoc> yep :)
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19:49 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/t2/svn-commit-tutorial.html
19:50 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/t2/svn-access.html
19:50 < mnemoc> * updated package (old-version -> new-version> <--- typo
19:51 < mnemoc> and there is a < between the two last parragraphs
19:51 < jsaw> evoid
19:51 < jsaw> what's that?
19:52 < mnemoc> hehe
19:52 < rxr> fixed
19:52 < rxr> mnemoc: where is the stray < ?
19:53 < mnemoc> between last two parragraphs
19:53 < rxr> ah found one at 19:54 < jsaw> oh, avoid, then it's "avoid committing"
19:54 < jsaw> and "of of" in the same line
19:54 < mnemoc> it would be nice to have that on svn
19:54 < rxr> and of of - ah yep
19:54 < rxr> mnemoc: svn what?
19:54 < mnemoc> svn the web site
19:55 < rxr> it is - unfortunatly in the wohle exactcode web space - we can not hand out access that easily ...
19:55 < rxr> I want it in a CMS anyway ...
19:55 < mnemoc> typo3 :\
19:55 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/www-exactcode
19:56 < rxr> but it is not even world-readable for obvious reasons ...
19:56 < rxr> mnemoc: was typo3 a compain or a vote ? ;-)
19:56 < rxr> complain even ...
19:56 < mnemoc> i'm not a type3 fan
19:57 < rxr> a trac fan?
19:57 < mnemoc> neither
19:57 < mnemoc> i like it's integration with svn
19:57 < mnemoc> i dislike it's wikiformat
19:58 < rxr> mnemoc: any vote ? ;-)
19:58 < mnemoc> trac :p
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19:59 < jsaw> trac
19:59 < jsaw> :)
20:00 < jsaw> svn-access.html: easiy, prooven
20:01 < jsaw> svn-access.html wording is a bit condescend.
20:02 < jsaw> I'd think sth. like "To ensure quality of the SVN tree we have to make sure, that committers will stick to the goal set by the team, so ..."
20:03 < jsaw> svn-commit-tutorial.html: commitint
20:03 < jsaw> svn-commit-tutorial.html: prepared, and (no comma before "and")
20:04 < jsaw> (actually you can remove almost all commas :)
20:05 < jsaw> "disagreement" (not sure but I think there exists the singular form only)
20:06 < jsaw> okay, I do not see anything else, off again, sending daughter->bed in her new room (*cry* I do have a room anymore...)
20:07 < rxr> ouhm :-(
20:07 < rxr> wish here nice dreams ;-)
20:08 < jsaw> s/I do have/I do *not* have/
20:08 < jsaw> anyway.
20:08 < jsaw> thanks
20:09 < rxr> ok - text okay now?
20:12 < rxr> ah found one: a_n_ asterisk
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20:17 < rxr> hm - now even the ROCK people do not remember anymore how they wanted to have ROCK Linux written:
20:17 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.org/c59a3f003f370fe1fdcb85f1433a19bb.html
20:17 < rxr> ...
20:27 < Minto> Hi all, I don't know if you guys just changed it. But svn-commit-tutorial.html looks a bit to bold.
20:30 < rxr> maybe some missing tag konqueror has quirks for
20:30 < rxr> oh - yup
20:31 < rxr> fixed, for you, too?
20:32 < Minto> thanx i'll read on (not that I have anything to commit on short notice).
20:43 < Minto> How is the discussion on a bug tracking system comming along?
20:44 < Minto> Ever considered GForge ( http://gforge.org )?
20:46 < Minto> It can use Subversion for SCM. For CVS it even has integration with the bug tracker and task list. This might be available for SubVersion in the futer too.
20:51 < rxr> we'll take a look
20:51 < rxr> do you plan to use t2 or even develop for it?
20:53 < Minto> I do have some thing I plan to work on, but probably like so many thing it never will see the light.
20:53 < Minto> But I a willing to share my thoughts.
20:55 < Minto> For a start I plan to build a dedicated T2 build server. Why is there no T2 build server target in T2?
20:56 < Minto> Since T2 involves a lot I/O, I am looking in to way to speed this up. Maybe with a large ram disk, ccache or raid?
20:57 < Minto> Any hints for me to take into account.
20:57 * rxr just eating ...
20:57 < rxr> comments later ;-)
20:58 < Minto> Enjoy your meal.
21:21 < mnemoc> hm, sysfiles fails on stage 1 of bootdisk
21:47 < rxr> re
21:48 < rxr> mnemoc: really? what is the error?
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21:49 < freed> hi all
21:49 < rxr> hi freed
21:51 < mnemoc> rxr: mom
21:59 < rxr> Minto: ram disk is a help - but quite problematic for huge packages like linux kernel or mozilla ...
21:59 < rxr> Minto: for 3.0 distcc will be a huge help ...
22:00 < Minto> How larg would a ramdisk needs to be for large packages.
22:00 < rxr> Minto: another thing that might be "easy" to speed up is the post build shared files and dependency search ...
22:00 < rxr> maybe replacing the awk code with C++ or so ...
22:00 < Minto> DistCC only works for multiple build machines.
22:01 < rxr> valentin rants a lot about that - so he might is willing to do the work ...
22:01 < rxr> Minto: yes - of course, but ccache only helps when you build simillar stuff often ...
22:01 < rxr> I thikn s.th. around 800MB for a "build-this-package" ram-disk is realistic
22:02 < Minto> Isn't that what you guys do, build things often?
22:02 < rxr> but the speedup of a ram-disk build in % is not yet well analyzsed ...
22:02 < rxr> Minto: deepnds - often tiny libc or linux-header changes cause lot of cache misses ...
22:02 < Minto> So a machine with a 1 Gig ram-disk would be something to go into the ultimate T2 build server?
22:03 < rxr> yep + some cpus - like at least two of them ...
22:03 < Minto> Why 2?
22:04 < rxr> because so much time is spend compiling packages - we should re-add to use parallel make (-jX) to speed things up
22:04 < Minto> Is concurrently building packages is possible.
22:05 < rxr> ?
22:05 < Minto> Is it possible to build more packages at the same time?
22:05 < rxr> well - with the current cluster build hack, yes
22:06 < rxr> but it is a bit fragile and harder to setup
22:06 < rxr> we plan to get rid of the serial priority and instead always use the dependencies to schedule package builds soon
22:07 < Minto> then the scheduling can also determine if packages can be build in parallel?
22:07 < rxr> so that you could use that to enable "maximum packages to be build in parallel"
22:07 < Minto> Cool
22:07 < rxr> it is already possible with the current hacked cluster scheduler - just that it is not used for single package builds
22:07 < rxr> single machine target builds I meant ...
22:09 < Minto> When is this scheduled to show up in a T2 release?
22:10 < Minto> How about a special T2 build server target. Are there any plans for that.
22:10 < rxr> well - at some point after 2.1 I think
22:10 < rxr> maybe in 1-2 months or so
22:10 < rxr> nope - not over here
22:10 < rxr> what do you want it to do exactly?
22:11 < Minto> Just a distro to set up a dedicated Distro build server.
22:12 < Minto> It can also be used for marketing purposes to show that T2 eats its own stuff. Just like SubVersion is using SubVersion for SCM.
22:14 < rxr> of course developers only use T2 systems to build T2 - but you can work on a "build server" target subset
22:14 < Minto> target subset?
22:15 < rxr> as in "subset" of another target - maybe just a package preselection template to choose the minmal packages necessary or so ...
22:15 < rxr> whatever you see fit ... ;-)
22:16 < Minto> This package preselection stuff is new to me.
22:16 < rxr> it is already in the tree (even inherited from ROCK Linux)
22:16 < rxr> it is just a template you throw over any other target, defining the packages to be build
22:17 < Minto> Sounds interesting, is there an example somewhere that I can look into?
22:17 < rxr> look into "misc/pkgsel"
22:18 < Minto> I will, unfortunately I gotta go now.
22:18 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/misc/pkgsel/
22:18 < Minto> see ya
22:18 < rxr> cu Minto
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22:34 < CIA-9> rene * r4693 /trunk/package/x11/rivatv/ (postlinux.conf rivatv.conf): * converted rivatv to postlinux (kernel module bulid) - untested
22:41 < CIA-9> rene * r4694 /trunk/package/gnome2/straw/straw.desc:
22:41 < CIA-9> * tuned static straw priority (needs gnome-python) - should fix
22:41 < CIA-9> the build
22:48 < rxr> damn - I shoul update the damn old kernel on the rs6k here - I have major problems with ftp NAT ...
22:55 < CIA-9> rene * r4695 /trunk/package/x11/rivatv/disable-ckeck-proc.patch:
22:55 < CIA-9> * fixed rivatv to not check the gcc version used to be the kernel
22:55 < CIA-9> _just running_ and that totally different from the one to be build
22:56 < CIA-9> rene * r4696 /trunk/package/x11/rivatv/ (disable-ckeck-proc.patch disable-configure-checks.patch):
22:56 < CIA-9> * renamed the rivatv configure patch to s.th. reasonable - contained
22:56 < CIA-9> a typo anyway (ckeck v.s. check ;-)
22:56 < rxr> mnemoc: clip can not be downloaded :-(
22:59 < CIA-9> rene * r4697 /trunk/package/x11/gatos-ati-remote/postlinux.conf: * disabled gatos-ati-remote for linux26 - since broken for 2.6.x
23:15 < CIA-9> rene * r4698 /trunk/package/emulators/bochs/gcc34.patch: * fixed bochs for gcc >= 3.4.x
23:26 < CIA-9> rene * r4699 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux24.conf:
23:26 < CIA-9> * fixed linux* to not try to install the modules in the case
23:26 < CIA-9> ROCK_DEBUG_LINUX_SUBMODULES_ONLY is set or a second time for the
23:26 < CIA-9> case the modules are actually built
23:31 < CIA-9> rene * r4700 /trunk/package/x11/rivatv/disable-configure-checks.patch:
23:31 < CIA-9> * fixed rediffed rivatv/disable-configure-checks.patch - forgot to
23:31 < CIA-9> diff for the right patchlevel during the second rediff ... :-(
23:35 < rxr> if all goes well - I only have 36 error left for a desktop build - and except koffice only minor random noise - nothing important
23:35 < rxr> although it would be nice if people could dive thru the errors ...;-)
23:46 < CIA-9> rene * r4701 /trunk/package/audio/ardour/ardour.desc:
23:46 < CIA-9> * updated ardour (0.9beta12 -> 0.9beta21) - in the hope to fix build
23:46 < CIA-9> with gcc >= 3.4.x - build still running
23:53 < CIA-9> rene * r4702 /trunk/package/x11/gatos-km/postlinux.conf: * disabled gatos-km for linux26 - since broken with that version
23:53 * rxr doing some guitar practice and then starting to crawl into bet, soon - cu
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