--- Log opened Sat Dec 04 00:00:18 2004
00:00 < jsaw> nope - we (I) don't
00:00 < jsaw> ;)
00:00 < jsaw> oh, I'm just hearing about the "chaos" in Berlin today...
00:01 < rxr> ok - I patch them away ...
00:01 < rxr> chaos? did I miss s.th.?
00:01 < jsaw> checking for Xft support... 
00:02 < jsaw> because of the iraqi state president... security level 1 for "Regierungsviertel"
00:02 < rxr> I mean unlike yesterdays full day SANE/Avision hacking - I was out of the house today - but I did not noticed anything on the way to the uni and my way back thru some extra cirle to Zoologischer Garten and my girlfriend ...
00:02 < mnemoc> how would you do 'if file newer than file; then...' on shell?
00:02 < rxr> ah so ... - that is not where I usually dive thru ... ;-)
00:02 < rxr> [ file -nt file2]
00:02 < jsaw> mnemoc: newer file_1 file_2
00:03 < rxr> newer? *g*
00:03 < mnemoc> hehe
00:03 < mnemoc> rxr: thanks :)
00:03 < rxr> ;-)
00:03 < jsaw> oh, "newer" is tetex...
00:04 < rxr> .oO (fox includes a "filemanager" pathfinder)
00:04 < rxr> I only packaged it to get rezound - not to get a whole desktop environement ..
00:05 < mnemoc> cool -nt returns true when compared to an un-existant file :D
00:05 < rxr> the new minimal-desktop: minimal+xorg+fox
00:05 < mnemoc> fox on minimal??? why?
00:06 < rxr> because it includes a calculator, editor and file browser - and - last but not least - a screenshot tool ... ;-)
00:07 < rxr> I was just joking and patching the example stuff I do not want in a toolkit away ...
00:07 < rxr> other targets are free to prevent the patch from beeing applied ...
00:07 < mnemoc> :)
00:07 < rxr> or do you want all the stuff and I add it just to the desktop target?
00:08 < rxr> would also be fine with me ...
00:08 < mnemoc> what about .diff depending on ROCKCFG flags?
00:08 < mnemoc> with proper defaults?
00:09 < rxr> oh - you force work on me ...
00:09 < mnemoc> :(
00:15 < rxr> ok - code written - test building
00:15 < rxr> anyone listening to U2 here?
00:16 < mnemoc> ?
00:16 < rxr> the band - music ...
00:17 < mnemoc> i know U2 :)
00:17 < rxr> ok ;-)
00:17 < mnemoc> i didn't understood the "listening" part
00:18 < mnemoc> there is a live something of U2 now?
00:18 < rxr> now - just in general ...
00:19 < mnemoc> my wife has some discs of them :)
00:20 < CIA-9> rene * r4938 /trunk/package/x11/fox/ (config.hlp config.in fox.conf no-examples.diff): 
00:20 < CIA-9> * added --enable-release to the fox build
00:20 < CIA-9> * added an option to specify whether to build the example applications
00:20 < CIA-9>  for fox (default off)
00:20 < mnemoc> :)
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00:36 < jsaw> how do I revert a change again? sth. svn merge...?
00:36 < rxr> jup
00:36 < rxr> svn merge -r$revert:$revert-1
00:41 < CIA-9> jsaw * r4939 /trunk/scripts/functions: 
00:41 < CIA-9> * revert r4898 (executing build and install with python setup.py
00:41 < CIA-9>  in two steps) because it causes regressions.
00:44 < rxr> .oO
00:44 < jsaw> --prefix is only understoop by python setup.py install...
00:45 < jsaw> a cleanup of pyconfopt would be necessary if it is done in two steps
00:45 < jsaw> -> more packages fail with two steps then with one step, so...
00:46 < jsaw> <- likes setup.py less than configure...
00:47 < rxr> I get the same feeling
00:48 < rxr> oh - my ...
00:48 < jsaw> what now?
00:48 < rxr> damn stupid SANE C clients get on my nerves ..
00:49  * rxr just addiing the next hack to the backend in order to please them ...
00:49 < rxr> or better "enhance the user experience"
00:52 < rxr> huh?
00:52 < rxr> scanimage: WARNING: read more data than announced by backend (0/2471131136)
00:53 < mnemoc> zero announce, 2.4T read?
00:53 < mnemoc> 2.4G :)
00:53 < rxr> nope -1  announced 0 read ...
00:54 < rxr> -1 == scan length unknown due to paper is feeded thru a document feeder ...
00:54 < rxr> I would call this endianess bug in the frontend ...
00:54 < rxr> erhm - sign bug even ... I meant ...
00:54 < rxr>  avision.c |  266 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-----------------------------
00:55 < mnemoc> small patch :)
00:55 < rxr> mostly some code arrangement this time ...
00:55 < rxr> but still ;-)
00:58 < rxr> == 12/04/04 00:54:36 =[9]=> Finished building package fox.
01:11 < rxr> ouhm - now the damn xscanimage tels me "Hand scanner mode not support" - *lol*
01:14 < rxr> now I improved all the code-flow in my backend to handle "paper ended while scanning" and now no damn frontend supports this - although in the SANE standard for years ...
01:14 < rxr> wow
01:15 < rxr> so now I'm going further and add "padding with white data" just to make them happy ...
01:27 < daja77> this is unbelievable
01:28 < daja77> the perl xml parser module can't handle iso8859-15 encoded documenst
01:30 < rxr> :-(
01:31 < daja77> justr because the encondings package contains crap windows encodings but not that simple file
01:32 < rxr> 1012 builds total, 112 completed fine, 0 with errors.
01:33 < daja77> nice
01:33 < rxr> so - now the frontends get what they deserve, computer generate 0xff to make those crappy C stuff happy:
01:33 < rxr> [avision] reader_process: padding line 704
01:33 < rxr> [avision] reader_process: padding line 705
01:33 < rxr> [avision] reader_process: padding line 706
01:33 < rxr> [avision] sane_read: max_len: 8192
01:33 < rxr> [avision] sane_read: got 4096 bytes
01:33 < rxr> [avision] sane_read: max_len: 8192
01:35 < rxr> 3 pages scanned in 4 seconds ;-) (well at 50dpi - but the scanner is anyway faster than my crappy USB 1.x port of that iBook ... )
01:36 < rxr> ok - 12 pages in 20 seconds ...
02:04 < rxr>  avision.c |   50 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++------------------
02:16 < rxr> cvs [diff aborted]: received broken pipe signal
02:17 < rxr> toll
02:27 < rxr> my - now /. needs use like "Linux: Embedded Gentoo?"
02:47 < CIA-9> rene * r4940 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.desc: * updated wine (20041019 -> 20041201) - totally untested ;-)
02:48 < rxr> so people - soon in bed ...
02:49 < rxr> 1012 builds total, 115 completed fine, 0 with errors.
02:58 < rxr> xorg drm modules fail when the kernel is only optimized for i386 (complains to COMPXCG or so ...)
02:59 < rxr> someone should fix this ,-)
02:59 < rxr> n8 all
02:59 < jsaw> dietlibc fails if opt. for pentiumII.... someone should fix this ;-)))
02:59 < jsaw> gn8 rxr
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03:38 < rxr> ouhm - I still have a installed instance of formula one grand prix 3 on my athlon ... :-(
03:38 < rxr> 357M    wine
03:38 < rxr> hehe - and the instruction how to configure modem for my first ISP:
03:38 < rxr> Nov  6  1999 okay-net-anleitung.txt.bz2
03:45 < rxr> hey - and I have bonnie runs of my Iomega ZIP 250 attached to a Pentim 120 ....
03:45 < rxr> Pentium 120 even ...
03:45 < rxr> and some 10GB IBM disk ...
03:45 < rxr> .oO (me has quite cool stuff in some home dirs ...)
03:49 < rxr> 1012 builds total, 164 completed fine, 0 with errors.
04:07 < rxr> ouhm - all my archived mail from 1999 -> 2002 is 287MB ....
04:12 < jsaw> still awake_
04:12 < jsaw> ?
04:14 < CIA-9> rene * r4941 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * added rsync to the desktop target
04:17 < rxr> 1013 builds total, 199 completed fine, 0 with errors.
04:17 < rxr> yeah - feelt it might be nice to search for a file hidden in my old home dir ...
04:18 < rxr> currently I rsync all my old mail to the remote IMAP server so I can nicely inject them there and have nicer acces than thru the tarballs lingering around ...
04:19 < rxr> well - unbelievable what a part ROCK was to me - aside my private and sent folder I archived the rock boxes nearby ... of course the only mailing lists I archived ...
04:20 < rxr> well - but if the world clock wanted me to fork it a second time it had to happen ... ;-)
04:28 < jsaw> :)
04:29 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/data//2004/12/0123312915733.patch
04:29 < rxr> ?
04:30 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/data//2004/12/0121481921929.patch
04:30 < rxr> ??
04:31 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/data//2004/12/0121481721887.patch
04:31 < rxr> ???
04:34 < jsaw> ????
04:35 < CIA-9> rene * r4942 /trunk/package/extra/expect/expect.desc: * updated expect (5.41.0 -> 5.42.1)
04:36 < CIA-9> rene * r4943 /trunk/package/ (develop/expect/ extra/expect/): * moved extra/expect into develop
04:38 < CIA-9> rene * r4944 /trunk/package/ (4 files in 4 dirs): * moved extra/gphoto -> graphic and extra/txt2regex -> textproc
04:41 < rxr> to bed my favourite bittorrent site is down - maybe due to that DOS ...
04:41 < rxr> DoS even ..
04:41 < rxr> ok - n8
04:42 < jsaw> gn8
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11:54 < rxr_> moin
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11:54 < rxr>  [5] python/pysqlite                     [5] e17/efsd
11:54 < rxr> 1013 builds total, 462 completed fine, 2 with errors.
12:09 < rxr> Linux 2.6.10-rc3
12:09 < daja77> is the alsa driver better in that?
12:10 < rxr> define better
12:10 < rxr> no real problem with alsa since years ...
12:10 < rxr> "Please do test this - and don't send me anything but bug-fixes. Let's aim
12:10 < rxr> for a real 2.6.10 before xmas (or hanukkah, or whatever your favourite
12:10 < rxr> holiday happens to be)." -Linus
12:11 < daja77> das knarkst bei mir mit 2.6.9, ging aber mit 2.4.x 
12:12 < rxr> I see no general alsa problem here, so probably just the driver you use - better report such stuff to the maintainers always to get it fixed for the next kernel - no report -> noone knows there is a defect ...
12:14 < daja77> right, havent figured out which component is broken, have not these sounds in videos but in audio only files
12:14 < rxr> maybe your videos are 48kHz and your normal audio stuff 44.1kHz ?
12:15 < rxr> hm .oO ( "as -rc2 this one is still oopsing on resume from sleep on powerpc ..." )
12:15 < rxr> kernel versions 2.6.X  (X<=9) used to work fine...
12:16 < daja77> could be
12:16 < rxr> 1013 builds total, 473 completed fine, 2 with errors.
12:16  * daja77 off to telekom to get dsl :(
12:17 < rxr> have fun
12:24 < _martin_> moin, hi
12:27 < rxr> moin
12:43 < rxr> 1013 builds total, 496 completed fine, 2 with errors.
13:32 < rxr> cool - I need more disk space ..
13:33 < rxr> there are complete star trek next generation season compilations out there ...
13:33 < rxr> 9GB each 
13:33 < rxr> ...
13:33 < rxr> 1013 builds total, 540 completed fine, 3 with errors.
13:34  * rxr backery ...
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14:49 < CIA-9> rene * r4945 /trunk/package/multimedia/mplayer/ (mplayer.conf mplayer.desc): 
14:49 < CIA-9> * improved mplayer to use the new official Blue theme instead of the
14:49 < CIA-9>  old default one (looks way better - aside from that my PPC mplayer
14:49 < CIA-9>  does currently draw black instead of any Skin anyway)
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15:25 < rxr> welcome back nullslack 
15:46 < daja77> .oO (if everything goes well, i'll get 2mbit dsl with static ip subnet)
15:48 < rxr> and what are the costs for that?
15:49 < daja77> tdsl 2mbit (19.95) + the mentioned flatrate 32,48 
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16:14 < madtux> good day.
16:22 < rxr> hi madtux - back so soon? How was the beach?
16:23 < madtux> rxr: there was a problem at my datacenter..
16:23 < madtux> my family and wife are at the beach
16:23 < madtux> i came back for a few hours
16:23 < rxr> datacenter?
16:23 < madtux> i got the problem controled now.. currently waiting for respozable of it for the yelling 
16:24 < madtux> rxr: well a small one
16:24 < madtux> i own a little hosting company rxr 
16:24 < rxr> ic
16:25 < madtux> mostly for gaming sites and so
16:25 < madtux> :)
16:25 < madtux> costa rica has no laws agains it
16:26 < madtux> i will get a bandwidth upgrade very soon, when this is done, i will offer a mirror for t2
16:26 < rxr> cool ;-)
16:26 < madtux> well not everything in life needs to be money
16:26 < madtux> :)
16:27 < rxr> sure not ,-)
16:27 < madtux> there is also fame and glory
16:27 < madtux> :P
16:27 < rxr> hehehe ;-)
16:28 < madtux> anyways how are u friend?
16:28 < rxr> make sure you get back to tank sun at the beach .. ;-) and greetings to your wife and family ;-)
16:28 < madtux> i will go back in a couple of hours
16:28 < madtux> :)
16:28 < madtux> and not come back till monday :)
16:28 < madtux> beach is only 1 hour way :)
16:29 < rxr> well - relaxed a bit with the last night aired (US) star trek espisode and now I'm back to my scanner driver ...
16:30 < madtux> btw i'm very happy to announce that monday won't be such a painfull day for you, my builds are moving quite clean, i think u will get some minor updates and fixes for router 
16:30 < rxr> nice to see - my desktop here alsa builds quite fine
16:30 < madtux> trunk is getting quite stable again :)
16:30 < rxr> 1013 builds total, 564 completed fine, 3 with errors.
16:31 < rxr> and two are just e17 packages that I know fail with the recent toolchain ..
16:31 < madtux> nice
16:31 < rxr> and the other is pysqlite
16:32 < rxr> and that is:
16:32 < rxr> _sqlite.c:30:21: sqlite3.h: No such file or directory
16:32 < daja77> included with ""?
16:33 < rxr> nope - dependency not in the desktop target  ;-)
16:33 < rxr> I just remove it ...
16:33 < daja77> *gg*
16:35 < CIA-9> rene * r4946 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: 
16:35 < CIA-9> * just enable python - not the whole python repository (disables two
16:35 < CIA-9>  packages ;-)
16:36 < madtux> hehe
16:36 < rxr> 1009 builds total, 562 completed fine, 2 with errors.
16:36 < rxr> ;-)
16:36 < madtux> :)
16:47 < nullslack> == 12/04/04 14:17:54 =[5]=> Aborted building package sjog.
16:47 < nullslack> !> checking for GTK - version >= 1.2.0... no
16:47 < rxr> nullslack: what do you build actually?
16:47 < madtux> :)
16:47 < nullslack> minimal...no X
16:47 < rxr> hm
16:48 < madtux> nullslack: with yesterdays "fixes" ?
16:48 < nullslack> madtux, yes...
16:48 < madtux> rxr: i just began stage 5 on my minimal build
16:48 < madtux> so i should soon be able to find his error
16:48 < madtux> nullslack: i see
16:48 < nullslack> GTK shouldn't be in miminal in the first place
16:48 < rxr> nullslack: svn up misc/pkgsel
16:48 < rxr> do you get updates?
16:49 < nullslack> t'xrxr, yes...
16:50 < rxr> then you built the "old" minimal what included far more ...
16:50 < rxr> it accidently included this sony laptop thing ..
16:50 < madtux> :)
16:50 < madtux> sony laptop thing?!
16:50 < rxr> the minimal template you have now is way smaller ... and does not include this anymore ...
16:50 < rxr> madtux: sjog - sony laptop jog-wheel thingi ...
16:50 < madtux> ah yeah
16:55 < nullslack> ok..after svn up...i'll do Config -cfg foo -oldconfig?
16:56 < rxr> yep - it is a bit saner
16:57 < nullslack> i think minimal+xorg is pretty miminal...and looks stable ;)
16:59 < rxr> do you bulid both?
17:00 < rxr> 10191 files to consider
17:00 < madtux> :)
17:00 < rxr> ^- emails of the past ...
17:00 < rxr> total size is 279343928  speedup is 2399.86
17:00 < nullslack> nope...i only tried minimal...but i've looked at what packages are included in minimal+xorg...and it seems fine
17:01 < nullslack> svn: REPORT request failed on '/gsmp/!svn/vcc/default'
17:01 < rxr> ouhm?
17:01 < nullslack> svn: REPORT of '/gsmp/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.rocklinux-consulting.de)
17:02 < jsaw> svn.rocklinux-consulting.de
17:03 < jsaw> ^-- switch to http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk
17:04 < rxr> nullslack: works fine here ...
17:04 < CIA-9> rene * r4947 /trunk/package/powerpc/pbbuttonsd/pbbuttonsd.desc: 
17:04 < CIA-9> * updated pbbuttonsd (0.6.5 -> 0.6.6) - let's hope this cures the
17:04 < CIA-9>  annoying lockups ...
17:05 < madtux> hehe that was one of the updates i was going to ask u to test
17:05 < madtux> :)
17:06 < nullslack> U  package/powerpc/pbbuttonsd/pbbuttonsd.desc
17:06 < madtux> rxr: u may also wanna try updating linux24benh to use linux 2.4.28 ?
17:06 < nullslack> Fetching external item into 'source/utility' <-- error only appears after this
17:07 < rxr> ouhm - there might not be such a patchset out - and merging those is a huge afford - I we should rather let it rot in peace a bit and delete it in half a year ...
17:07 < rxr> all the benh features are in 2.6 ...
17:08 < madtux> very well
17:08  * madtux deleting ppc updates
17:08 < jsaw> nullslack: switch to svn.exactcode.de
17:08 < rxr> nope
17:08 < rxr> svn up - I jsut did ..
17:08 < rxr> just even
17:08 < rxr> but the problem is another anyway - it works here with the old URL, too
17:09 < CIA-9> rene * r4948 /trunk/source/: * switched the svn:external on source over to exactcode.de
17:09 < rxr> nullslack: do you access the T2 svn over http:// or svn:// ?
17:10 < nullslack> svn
17:11 < rxr> than you most probably get this error because you have some http proxy or so in the way that does mangle subversions webdav traffic
17:11 < rxr> just leave it as it is for now - the (C++) sources are not yet used
17:14 < mnemoc> moin!
17:14 < rxr> hi mnemoc !
17:14 < madtux> Hola mnemoc 
17:15 < mnemoc> rxr: hi, do you know if i can share access (authz) and users (md5) from apache to svnserv?
17:15 < mnemoc> madtux: what happened to your server'
17:16 < rxr> mnemoc: I never used authz with apache so far ...
17:16 < rxr> and I do not use svnserv auth at all ...
17:16 < mnemoc> :\
17:16 < mnemoc> authz access lists are _cool_
17:17 < rxr> when I started with svn there where ENOAVAIL ...
17:17 < rxr> I saw it recently and AFAIR it looked indeed quite nice
17:17 < rxr> need to review it when I have spare time ...
17:18 < nullslack> oh..maybe it's because i've upgraded subversion
17:18 < rxr> it is best to look into the svn handbook how to configure svnserve ...
17:18 < madtux> mnemoc: a god damn SON of #@$%^#$&^ unplugged the utp..
17:18 < rxr> nullslack: maybe your new subversion misses the http:// access scheme ?
17:18 < mnemoc> madtux: :)
17:18 < rxr> madtux: ?
17:19 < mnemoc> rxr: new subversions needs an external neon
17:19 < madtux> rxr: just mentioning the little incident here at the office
17:19 < madtux> sorry i'm still a little sensitive to talk about the subject
17:21 < mnemoc> how far from office is the beach?
17:22 < rxr> 1h ;-)
17:22 < madtux> :)
17:22 < madtux> 1h is close enough i guess
17:22 < madtux> :)
17:23 < rxr> nope - it is too close - you leave your wife alone for work - so - far too close ;-)
17:23 < madtux> rxr: she got pissed at me whn i asked her to wake up and come with me
17:23 < madtux> :(
17:23 < rxr> 8-(((
17:24 < madtux> i woke up at 5am.. that could explain why i am on a bad mood with this guy too
17:24 < madtux> rxr: its ok she wanted to rest and sleep
17:24 < madtux> i think she works much more than i do
17:24 < rxr> oh - that is possible?
17:24 < madtux> and she'll be in a good mood by the time i go back
17:24 < madtux> :)
17:24 < madtux> i guess she just works as much as i do
17:25 < madtux> :)
17:25 < rxr> what is she doing actually?
17:25 < madtux> She work at the management office for a Marriot hotel here.
17:25 < madtux> she is not the manager but is on the top excecutives
17:26 < rxr> oh
17:32 < madtux> rxr: btw that silo update was tested on my ultra
17:33 < rxr> cool
17:33 < madtux> :)
17:33 < madtux> i don't actually know if u saw my mail :)
17:33 < rxr> altough this does not make it function properly ... - most of the last versions are officially broken on sparc32 - and in fact I could no 1.4 version work on sparc32 yet ... :-(
17:34 < rxr> your irc notice made me notice it ;-)
17:34 < madtux> hehe
17:34 < madtux> unfortunately i do not have a sparc 32 to test
17:35 < rxr> currently I'm deep in code rearrangements to get deinterlace duplex scans working and rearrange even more to save half of the image data into a temporary file or memory (if the scan is not too big) and return this for every odd scan ...
17:35 < madtux> :)
17:35 < rxr> quite some bigger rearrangement - considering that up to know the driver just had to control the scanner and never had a second "return virtual data" code path ...
17:39 < mnemoc> madtux: you forgot the patch _again_
17:39 < madtux> #$^#$^##^$$@!!!!!!
17:40 < mnemoc> rxr: no reply about target/$tatget/pkgsle ?
17:40 < madtux> sent
17:40 < rxr> mnemoc: sorry - did not yet looked into it ..
17:41 < rxr> mnemoc: looks quite ok - AFAICS
17:41 < rxr> mnemoc: could you test and commit it ;-) ?
17:41 < mnemoc> rxr: test is done, very simple and not intrusive patch
17:42 < mnemoc> rxr: do you think it's a good thing to move pkgsel away from config.in ?
17:42 < rxr> jups - just give it a go then ,-)
17:42 < rxr> yes - especially one has not to write the regex all the time ..
17:48 < CIA-9> rene * r4949 /trunk/package/sparc/silo/silo.desc: 
17:48 < CIA-9> Miguel Bolanos <mike@hsol.net>:
17:48 < CIA-9>  * updated silo (1.4.6 -> 1.4.8)
17:49 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r4950 /trunk/scripts/Create-UpdList: * Adds -root to Create-UpdList
17:50 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r4951 /trunk/scripts/config.in: * Introduce target/$config/pkgsel, auto-applied on Config
18:17 < madtux> linux-header - 2.6.9 what fraking nightmare
18:17 < madtux> freaking*
18:17 < mnemoc> madtux: i told you :)
18:17 < madtux> you little @%@#%..
18:17 < madtux> :P
18:18 < mnemoc> madtux: patching the kernel is easier than patching every broken package
18:18 < madtux> it will be a BUSY weekend
18:28  * mnemoc starting a build with 2.6.10-rc3
18:38 < rxr> cool - not far away to have virtual rear page deinterlacing fully functional 
18:38 < rxr> btw. english naming request for comments
18:39 < madtux> L(
18:39 < madtux> :)
18:39 < rxr> would you rather call the "back" side of a sheet "back" or "rear" ?
18:40 < rxr> hm - and there is "reverse" and "verso"
18:41 < madtux> rear
18:47 < rxr> mnemoc: (or anyone else doing windows stuff from time to time) - what is the preferred mktemp style thing on *DOS (including Windows favours and OS/2) to create unique temporary file?
18:49 < mnemoc> %TEMP%\somethingrandom
18:50 < rxr> and with what surrounded?
18:50 < rxr> I mean from C, some getenv then?
18:50 < mnemoc> TEMP es the envvar
18:50 < mnemoc> %TEMP% = $TEMP
18:50 < rxr> yeah - I know
18:51 < rxr> is there some function ? or do I need getenv myself and so on ... ?
18:51 < madtux> mnemoc: you are speaking spanglish
18:51 < mnemoc> madtux: where?
18:52 < mnemoc> s/es/is/ :)
18:52 < madtux> 11:55 < mnemoc> TEMP es the envvar
18:52 < madtux> :)
18:52 < mnemoc> :p
18:53 < rxr> GetTempPath ? is this a window library func?
18:53 < mtr> I just sent my uclibc test result to ml, please review the patch
18:53 < mnemoc> no idea
18:53 < mtr> have limited time now, cu later
18:53 < rxr> well - maybe I leave windows out for now ... - whoever wants to use my backend has to add that himselfs ...
18:53 < rxr> cu mtr 
18:54 < mnemoc> oh
18:55 < rxr> mnemoc: yes? oh, what *g* ?
18:55 < mnemoc> oh about mtr' segfaults
18:56 < madtux> 11:55 < mnemoc> TEMP es the envvar
18:56 < madtux> grrr damn gpm
18:56 < madtux> sorry
18:56 < mnemoc> :D
19:23 < rxr> np
19:26 < CIA-9> rene * r4952 /trunk/package/x11/rxvt-unicode/rxvt-unicode.desc: * updated rxvt-unicode (4.1 -> 4.3) - fixes line drawing ala. alsamixer
19:26 < CIA-9> rene * r4953 /trunk/package/network/libidn/libidn.desc: * updated libidn (0.5.9 -> 0.5.12)
19:27 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r4954 /trunk/scripts/config.in: * improves (and fix) scripts/config.in to cache generated awk file from target-pkgsel
19:28 < CIA-9> rene * r4955 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * enabled libidn for the desktop target
19:35 < CIA-9> rene * r4956 /trunk/package/x11/shared-mime-info/shared-mime-info.desc: * updated shared-mime-info (0.14 -> 0.15)
19:38 < CIA-9> rene * r4957 /trunk/package/base/ncurses/ncurses.desc: * updated ncurses (5.3 -> 5.4) - only tested in-system so far
19:57 < madtux> having fun rene?
19:57 < rxr> needed to think why my driver seg-faulted ...
19:57 < madtux> :)
19:59 < rxr> damn - I should have commited the version that worked mostly ...
19:59 < madtux> mmh?
19:59 < rxr> my driver
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20:00 < madtux> oh ok
20:01 < rxr> .oO
20:02 < madtux> Oo.
20:02  * rxr should call the correct fopen ...
20:03 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.130.173] has quit ["Leaving"]
20:04 < rxr> good - this prevents random memory corruptoin ...
20:15 < rxr> me shortly away ..
20:31 < madtux> ok
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21:44 < mnemoc> re
21:44 < mnemoc> jsaw: ping
21:46 < mnemoc> jsaw: we might need negative rules on pkgsel :\   .... example: O ! base/*
21:46 < mnemoc> jsaw: because O * \n X base/* will enable packages disabled by default
22:14 < rxr> re
22:14 < mnemoc> comments rene?  :)
22:15 < rxr> ouhm - am I allowed to take a look first? ;-) 
22:15 < mnemoc> =)
22:16 < rxr> cool - so now my rock people's dir is gone ;-)
22:24 < CIA-9> rene * r4958 /trunk/package/graphic/libpng/libpng.desc: * updated libpng (1.2.7 -> 1.2.8)
22:25 < mnemoc> i would feel sad 
22:25 < rxr> it contained outdated stuff and confused people ...
22:25 < rxr> so, why sad? I asked for it, soo ...
22:39 < rxr> mnemoc: I just look at your problem - I think the syntax as it is right - just that between init and finish first match should abort further matching
22:39 < rxr> so that you get the behaviour for:
22:39 < rxr> O sendmail
22:39 < rxr> X mail/*
22:39 < rxr> right?
22:39 < mnemoc> runit
22:39 < mnemoc> is O by default
22:39 < mnemoc> but it's on base/
22:42 < rxr> ah - ic, you want some pass thru, right?
22:42 < mnemoc> a wait to disable all but base
22:42 < mnemoc> but only base enabled by default :p
22:42 < mnemoc> a way*
22:42 < rxr> maybe the - and - O X syntax is confusing anyway
22:43 < rxr> the counter part to - is + ...
22:43 < rxr> maybe we should use:
22:43 < rxr> - remove
22:43 < rxr> + add
22:43 < rxr> O optional
22:43 < rxr> X patth thru ?
22:43 < rxr> or use . as pass thru ...
22:49 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
22:50 < mnemoc> i was moderating a chat-conference :)
22:58 < mnemoc> re
22:58 < mnemoc> what means 'pass thru'?
22:58 < rxr> take the matching packages and do not alter the current selection state
23:02 < rxr> Maildir and IMAP rules ...
23:05 < mnemoc> bincimap :)
23:05 < rxr> yep
23:05 < rxr> comments to the above?
23:06 < mnemoc> i don't imagine an implementation of it
23:08 < rxr> what do you exactly mean with:
23:08 < rxr> O ! base/*
23:08 < rxr> ?
23:08 < rxr> ah - optional all that is not base ...
23:08 < rxr> well such stuff get's far too complex ...
23:08 < rxr> and I just noticed myself that most often you want to just pass the default selection thru ...
23:09 < rxr> don't you?
23:09 < rxr> try and write down what you really want:
23:09 < rxr> + your-packages
23:09 < mnemoc> rxr: that can be easily converted to awk
23:09 < rxr> . base/*
23:09 < rxr> - *
23:09 < rxr> or 
23:09 < rxr> O *
23:09 < rxr> even
23:09 < mnemoc> you may need to protect areas of packages files
23:20 < mnemoc> i think O ! base/* is easier to implement
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23:26 < rxr> hi nullslack 
23:26 < nullslack> hello rxr
23:27 < nullslack> i tried "svn co" and it still generates those error
23:28 < nullslack> tried to co rock's stable version...and it went fine ;(
23:29 < rxr> nullslack: but you can only check out via svn:// ? right ? no http:// checkouts possible?
23:29 < nullslack> rxr, yes
23:30 < rxr> for this case I already eplained yesterday that this is due to t2 fetching a 2nd repository with C++ utility stuff into sources/utility
23:30 < nullslack> u mean "svn co http://"?
23:30 < mnemoc> rxr: can i set bootdisk's pkgsel as X $pkg instead of X base/* \n O $pkg ?
23:30 < rxr> this is the only thing that failes because it is checked out via http:// (subverwion limitation)
23:30 < rxr> nullslack: you can safely ignore this for the next weeks or months since the C++ stuff is not yet used for the normal and stable T2 build system ...
23:31 < rxr> mnemoc: do you port the bootdisk to pkgsel?
23:31 < nullslack> rxr, ah...ok glad to hear that. i thought i couldn't build with those errors
23:32 < mnemoc> rxr: yes, but the X base/* \n O $pkg approach sucks in this case
23:33 < rxr> convert is as you see fit - I review the result ;-)
23:33 < mnemoc> ok :)
23:38 < CIA-9> rene * r4959 /trunk/package/gnome2/abiword/abiword.desc: * updated abiword (2.2.0 -> 2.2.1)
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