T2 IRC Log: 2004-12-11
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--- Log opened Sat Dec 11 00:00:23 2004
00:13 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5038 /trunk/ (. package/gnome2/gtk-sharp/gtk-sharp.desc): * gtk-sharp updated (1.0.4 -> 1.9.0)
00:13 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5039 /trunk/ (. package/develop/mono-doc/mono-doc.desc): * mono-doc updated (1.0.2 -> 1.0.5)
00:15 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5040 /trunk/ (. package/network/ipsvd/ipsvd.desc): * ipsvd updated (0.9.6 -> 0.9.7)
00:15 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5041 /trunk/ (. package/base/runit/runit.desc): * runit updated (1.0.5 -> 1.1.0)
00:15 < mnemoc> t2 33
00:15 < mnemoc> glibc 32
00:16 < mnemoc> 'photo' metadata GCC 31
00:16 < mnemoc> :)
00:20 < mnemoc> http://cia.navi.cx/ <--- mnemoc on top, t2 between linux26 and glibc :)
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00:44 < daja77> huh? @ odin again?
00:45 < madtux> hello dany boy
00:45 < madtux> daja77: they are clients of mine now for sysadmin outsourcing :)
00:46 < daja77> hehe
00:47 < madtux> currently i'm hear because iw as invited to the xmast celebration party of the company
00:47 < madtux> all fscking people soooo boring..
00:47 < madtux> so i decided to show up a bit here while i wait for my geek fellows to show uop
00:47 < madtux> :)
00:47 < daja77> poor mike
00:48 < madtux> well there is my irc friends to talk to
00:48 < madtux> :)
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00:48 < daja77> :)
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02:29 < rxr> rehi
02:30 < mnemoc> hi rxr
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03:49 < CIA-9> rene * r5042 /trunk/package/x11/xlockmore/xlockmore.desc: * updated xlockmore (5.13 -> 5.14.1)
03:49 * rxr rebooting into linux - wanna check my days email ...
03:49 < rxr> cu soon
03:58 < rxr> puh - good old linux ... ;-)
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04:59 < rxr> hi nzg
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04:59 < rxr> hi mnemoc
05:38 < rxr> the new C++ Update tracker rock so much - yeah
05:38 < CIA-9> rene * r5043 /trunk/package/base/ (24 files in 24 dirs): (log message trimmed)
05:38 < CIA-9> * updated hotplug (2004_09_20 -> 2004_09_23)
05:38 < CIA-9> * updated libdaemon (0.5 -> 0.6)
05:38 < CIA-9> * updated mtr (0.54 -> 0.55)
05:38 < CIA-9> * updated dump (0.4b34 -> 0.4b35)
05:38 < CIA-9> * updated module-init-tools (3.0 -> 3.1)
05:38 < CIA-9> * updated prelink (20031029 -> 20040317)
05:50 < CIA-9> rene * r5044 /trunk/package/develop/ (12 files in 12 dirs): (log message trimmed)
05:50 < CIA-9> * updated diffstat (1.34 -> 1.35)
05:50 < CIA-9> * updated sloccount (2.23 -> 2.26)
05:50 < CIA-9> * updated ddd (3.3.9 -> 3.3.10)
05:50 < CIA-9> * updated ctags (5.5 -> 5.5.1)
05:50 < CIA-9> * updated guile (1.6.3 -> 1.6.4)
05:50 < CIA-9> * updated swig (1.3.21 -> 1.3.22)
06:10 < CIA-9> rene * r5045 /trunk/package/filesystem/ (5 files in 5 dirs):
06:10 < CIA-9> * updated parted (1.6.15 -> 1.6.16)
06:10 < CIA-9> * updated qtparted (0.3.2 -> 0.4.0)
06:10 < CIA-9> * updated squashfs-tools (2.0 -> 2.1)
06:10 < CIA-9> * updated jfsutils (1.1.6 -> 1.1.7)
06:10 < CIA-9> * updated zisofs-tools (1.0.4 -> 1.0.6)
06:13 < rxr> so - that's it for now
06:13 < rxr> mostly untested - but a build is running on my ahtlon
06:13 < rxr> athlon even ...
06:13 < rxr> have I mentioned that the C++ tracker rocks?
09:22 < rxr> someone could adapt the pathces for util-linux
09:22 < rxr> I just reverted the update ...
09:22 < CIA-9> rene * r5046 /trunk/package/base/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
09:22 < CIA-9> * reverted util-linux and module-init-tools update since they
09:22 < CIA-9> do not build in a fresh build
09:22 < rxr> this is why patchign such stuff in is bad ...
09:22 < rxr> module-init-tools does fail in the man page generation :-(
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10:51 < __martin_> hi rxr
11:30 < rxr> moin __martin_
12:02 < nzg> moin
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12:38 < mnemoc> moin!
12:40 < martinb_> moin
12:42 < mnemoc> hi mr. B
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12:59 < nzg> moin mnemoc, martinb_
13:08 < rxr> moin mnemoc
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15:41 < rxr> rehi madtux and kensai
15:41 * rxr shortly away getting food
15:42 < kensai> rehi rxr
15:46 < madtux> hallo all
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16:26 < rxr> rehi
16:27 < madtux> wb :)
16:30 < mnemoc> rxr: hi, what would you use to generate random string on buildings if ifconfig is not availabe?
16:31 < mnemoc> dd if=/dev/random ?
16:33 < rxr> random differs from run to run ...
16:33 < rxr> there is this hostid ...
16:33 < mnemoc> INFO: Testing ... error
16:33 < mnemoc> INFO: Testing ... ok 207.829
16:33 < mnemoc> INFO: Testing ... ok 202271.605
16:34 < mnemoc> yes, hostid is available
16:35 < rxr> box is up
16:35 < rxr> or fallback to ip? s/ifconfig/ip/ ...
16:36 < mnemoc> ifconfig -a produce some randomness
16:36 < mnemoc> ip a s nothing
16:36 < rxr> the point is not the randomness - it is to identify hosts - e.g. in cluster builds ...
16:36 < mnemoc> ic
16:36 < rxr> ip link of course ...
16:37 < rxr> hm - btw ifconfig -a sucks - there is the transfer volume in it ...
16:37 < mnemoc> that's why i thought you wanted randomess
16:37 < mnemoc> ness*
16:37 < rxr> maybe we should migrate this to hostid ; ip link in general
16:37 < rxr> I did not added this anyway - I guess clifford was it during the initially hacked cluster builds ...
16:38 < rxr> btw, maybe we want to get rid of the numbers anyway
16:38 < rxr> as we want for the stages ...
16:38 < rxr> I heared complains the numbers are so much senseless ..
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16:43 < mnemoc> rxr: did you read?
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16:43 < rxr_> what about src.$pkg.$hostname.$ip.$random | btw gsmp. is up and running
16:43 < mnemoc> rxr_ even
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16:45 < rxr> so
16:45 < mnemoc> $hostname.$ip ?
16:45 < rxr> mnemoc: what did you post?
16:45 < rxr> mnemoc: speudo code
16:46 < mnemoc> 26 hostsum=
16:46 < mnemoc> 27 if [ -x hostid ]; then
16:46 < mnemoc> 28 hostsum=`hostid`
16:46 < mnemoc> 29 elif [ -x ip ]; then
16:46 < mnemoc> 30 hostsum=`ip link | cksum | cut -f1 -d' '`
16:46 < mnemoc> 31 else
16:46 < mnemoc> 32 hostsum=`/sbin/ifconfig -a | cksum | cut -f1 -d' '`
16:46 < mnemoc> 33 fi
16:46 < mnemoc> 34 date "+%s.$$.$hostsum"
16:48 < rxr> what do you think about more verbose names instead of numbers in general ?
16:50 < mnemoc> i tend to prefer them
16:50 < mnemoc> but i don't know if it pays for this
16:52 < mnemoc> uhm... my evilness worked
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16:52 < rxr> why not? instead of this cryptic numbers you would get s.th. to recognize ...
16:53 < mnemoc> in that case why $hostname.$ip isntead of just `hostname -f` ?
16:55 < mnemoc> OT: i don't know what to do wil gtk-sharp
16:55 < mnemoc> with*
16:55 < mnemoc> 1.0 use $foo.pc and 1.9 use $foo-2.0.pc
16:56 < mnemoc> symlinking them was enought to build mono-doc-1.0.5
16:56 < mnemoc> so there is backward compatibility
16:57 < rxr> then convert it to hostname -f for now and when someone wants IP for cluster config without uniq hostname he/she can add it back ...
16:57 < rxr> mnemoc: yep - symlink it then ;-)
16:57 * rxr preparing "lunch"
17:04 < mnemoc> too evil :(
17:04 < mnemoc> pkg-config segfaults on ./debug.sh now
17:16 < rxr> ouhm
17:20 < mnemoc> testing great-evilness-hack on gtk-sharp.conf
17:58 < mnemoc> no, i have to downgrade gtk# to 1.0.4 :(
18:05 < rxr> ifeq ($(DISTRO),Owl)
18:05 < rxr> ???
18:09 < mnemoc> where?
18:09 < rxr> sysvinit-2.86
18:09 < mnemoc> LOL
18:17 < rxr> btw, why don't we add -l (ignore white spaces) to the patchopts ?
18:17 < CIA-9> rene * r5047 /trunk/package/base/sysvinit/ (sulogin_initscr.patch sysvinit.patch): * rediffed sysvinit patches after update
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18:26 < CIA-9> rene * r5048 /trunk/package/base/gmp/gcc34.patch: * removed the obsolete gcc34 patch for gmp
18:26 < rxr> 1011 builds total, 382 completed fine, 0 with errors.
18:27 < rxr> hopefully I do not have to fix many regressions due to my heavy update ... ;-)
18:28 * rxr booting into linux - mom
18:43 < mnemoc> tr
18:44 < mnemoc> does -l work on old `patch`s?
18:44 < rxr> no idea ...
19:21 < rxr> [5] e17/efsd
19:21 < rxr> 1011 builds total, 429 completed fine, 1 with errors.
19:38 < martinb_> Hi, I have build mplayer
19:38 < martinb_> $ mplayer 12\ -\ Annett\ Louisan\ -\ Das\ Liebeslied.mp3
19:38 < martinb_> MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.2.3 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team
19:38 < martinb_> Ungültiger Maschinenbefehl (core dumped)
19:38 < martinb_> mplayer don't play any format :(
19:47 < rxr> did you emerge it ?
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20:17 < martinb_> yes
20:17 < rxr> hm :-(
20:17 < rxr> here it worked ...
20:18 < rxr> must be some altivec optimization causing harm ...
20:20 < martinb_> hmmm, what can i do?
20:21 < mnemoc> any problems if a create a function called mangle_snapshot as a generalization of cvs download to help introduction of svn:// and maybe others in future?
20:23 < rxr> our svn:// stuff has not much mangling anymore ...
20:23 < rxr> errr cvs:// anyway ...
20:24 < rxr> maybe do it this way:
20:24 < rxr> http and ftp as usual
20:24 < rxr> everything else the same parameter copy with the stuff before :// as command line client
20:24 < rxr> and the actual cvs and svn code should not be much left anymore ...
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20:31 < martinb_> hmmm rxr, what can i do? can I change some configure options for a working mplayer?
20:41 < mnemoc> re
20:42 < mnemoc> rxr: how do you want to differenciate svn http:// from svn svn:// ?
20:43 < mnemoc> svn://$protocol:$server/$module ?
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20:56 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5050 /trunk/:
20:56 < mnemoc> o_O
20:56 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5049 /trunk/ (. scripts/Download): * download_this_file reordered to check http:// and ftp:// first
20:57 < mnemoc> svn://http://svn.exactcode.de/gsmp/trunk -r4000 ?
20:57 < mnemoc> it's kind of ugly
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21:03 < rxr> yeah - this is interesting ...
21:04 < rxr> but maybe it is the best we can come up with ...
21:04 < mnemoc> svn://http|svn.exactcode.de/gsmp/trunk -r4000 ?
21:04 < mnemoc> that's less ugly
21:05 < rxr> I do not think so - it is unintuitive you have to type s.th. you do not type this way on the terminal yourself ...
21:05 < rxr> I find prefixing svn:// more comfortable ...
21:05 < mnemoc> svn://http://svn.exactcode.de/gsmp/trunk -r4000 ?
21:05 < mnemoc> svn://svn://svn.geeks.cl/mycrap -r1000 ?
21:05 < mnemoc> uhm
21:06 < mnemoc> ok
21:06 < mnemoc> ugly [D] in pro of clean scripts
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21:08 < rxr> do you need svn:// checkout - or do you just add because it is in submaster?
21:09 < rxr> martinb_: you might hack --disable-altivec into the configure script in the hope it really disable it
21:09 < rxr> sorry - right now I have no time to look into it ...
21:09 < rxr> important commercial osx work ... - I can look into it later - maybe tomorrow morning ...
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21:09 < rxr> ouhm
21:11 < mnemoc> rxr: gtkviewsource-sharp, required by monodevelop is only on svn
21:12 < mnemoc> and it is via svn:// instead of http://
21:13 < rxr> cool - ;-)
21:14 < rxr> the more I hang in osx the sooner we get some lightweight C++ barebone that is able to buuild straight forward packages (e.g. not any shell fature possible withint the current shell stuff)
21:14 < rxr> just to fill my /t2 and work more comforable ...
21:18 < mnemoc> uhm, it wont be that clean to share cvs/svn code
21:19 < mnemoc> cvs use module after and space
21:19 < mnemoc> svn doesn't
21:19 < mnemoc> an*
21:19 < rxr> maybe you want to to give the checkout a meaningfull name?
21:19 < rxr> e.g. .../trunk gtkviewsource-sharp ... ?
21:20 < mnemoc> I do not think so - it is unintuitive you have to type s.th. you do not type this way on the terminal yourself ...
21:20 < mnemoc> :)
21:20 < rxr> ? I type it this way:
21:20 < rxr> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk t2-trunk
21:20 < mnemoc> it's a clean paste
21:21 < mnemoc> svn://http://svn.exactcode.de/gsmp/trunk gsmp-trunk -r4000
21:21 < mnemoc> ok
21:22 < rxr> yeah - the only unintuitive thing is (aside from the double scheme specification) the options at the end - no idea if one could throw it this way into the svn command line tool
21:24 < mnemoc> i'm not sure if mixing both is ok
21:31 < mnemoc> -P is also a problem
21:32 < mnemoc> i think we should do $cmdclient specific preprocesing before the common part
21:35 < rxr> maybe just implement it as you see fit ... it is no problem to rearange tunr it later on
21:44 < mnemoc> ok
22:07 < mnemoc> rxr: are this cmdlines ok?
22:08 < mnemoc> cmdline: svn co -r36079 svn://svn.myrealbox.com/source/trunk/gtksourceview-sharp gtksourceview-sharp
22:08 < mnemoc> cmdline: cvs -z9 -Q -d :pserver:anoncvs@freedesktop.org:/cvs/xapps co -P -D 2004-10-30 xcompmgr
22:09 < rxr> ouhm - I think so
22:09 < mnemoc> me too, but it's too hot here to think :)
22:20 < mnemoc> finished
22:22 < rxr> hot?
22:23 < mnemoc> 29C
22:24 < mnemoc> outside, i think here there are at least 2-3 extra degrees
22:24 < mnemoc> commited, take a look please
22:25 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5051 /trunk/ (. scripts/Download): * implements (as clean as i could) multiple snapshot downloading (cvs:// & svn://)
22:25 < jsaw> svn://svn.exactcode.de/gsmp/trunk:http ?
22:25 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5052 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * dhcpcd-scriptconfig is an optional package
22:25 < jsaw> re
22:25 < mnemoc> svn://http://svn.exactcode.de/gsmp/trunk
22:26 < mnemoc> jsaw: rene thought any other way was too unnatural
22:26 < jsaw> URL scheme -> use port?
22:27 < mnemoc> $cmdclient://$url $options
22:27 < rxr> hi jsaw
22:27 < mnemoc> if you want to user ports, add it
22:27 < jsaw> hi rxr
22:27 < mnemoc> on $url
22:27 < jsaw> URL: $scheme://$authority:$port
22:28 < rxr> jsaw: this should work automatically I think
22:28 < mnemoc> port=4587 or port=http ?
22:28 < mnemoc> the script is quite dumb, it believes anything on [D]
22:28 < jsaw> oh, I see
22:28 < mnemoc> maintainers responsability
22:29 < mnemoc> i wanted svn://svn|svn.exactcode.de/foo
22:29 < mnemoc> i wanted svn://http|svn.exactcode.de/foo
22:29 < jsaw> actually I just wanted to express that a URL conforming thing would suit better IMO
22:29 < mnemoc> and replace | with sed
22:29 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/xcode-render-corruption.tiff
22:29 < rxr> ^- so much to the bug freeness of osx ...
22:30 < rxr> and this is not the only bug - osx and xcode are full of those, just that this is the first Quarz or so rendering corruption I got ...
22:30 < mnemoc> jsaw: t2 doens't use URL conforming from long time ago
22:30 < jsaw> rxr: nice
22:30 < rxr> + the xcode text rendering is dog slow ...
22:31 < jsaw> mnemoc: really? Obviously I didn't pay that much attention... :/
22:32 < mnemoc> jsaw: [D] X xcompmgr-2004-10-30.tar.bz2 cvs://:pserver:anoncvs@freedesktop.org:/cvs/xapps xcompmgr -D 2004-10-30
22:32 < jsaw> oh btw, rxr, thanks for changing the changelog.
22:33 < jsaw> mnemoc: what's the problem with this?
22:33 < mnemoc> that was an example of what were we using
22:34 < mnemoc> i didn't changed that, rene was :)
22:34 < rxr> I changed it because the former one was very fragile and broke in strange ways hard to track when you mistype the encoded URL
22:34 < jsaw> but it's still a valid URL besides the empty port...
22:34 < rxr> I also changed it to support any possible option without inventing more and more magic encodings ...
22:35 < mnemoc> jsaw: spaces make it invalid
22:35 < rxr> inject %20 or so from them ;-)
22:35 < mnemoc> hehe
22:35 < jsaw> oh, that you mean. okay, we don't use the query...
22:36 < mnemoc> but it is very easy to change svn:// to:
22:36 < mnemoc> svn://$schema:$url $options
22:36 < mnemoc> $url includes port if needed
22:37 < jsaw> okay one last question: why's svn://svn:// better then something like svn:svn:// ?
22:37 < mnemoc> svn://svn:svn.myrealbox.com/trunk/mono -r10000
22:37 < mnemoc> jsaw: that helps the dumb script
22:37 < jsaw> okay.
22:37 < mnemoc> less mangling, that was the command :)
22:38 < jsaw> okay. you got me convinced.
22:38 < mnemoc> really?
22:38 < jsaw> yes.
22:38 < mnemoc> great, can you convince _me_ now? because i hate it :p
22:38 < jsaw> being convinced and liking are two different things ;)
22:39 < mnemoc> ack
22:40 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you think about the implementation?
22:41 < rxr> mnemoc: I have not yet looked into it ...
22:41 < mnemoc> :(
22:41 < rxr> and I wanna finish some parts of the commandline test of our osx scanner driver
22:41 < mnemoc> ok :)
22:41 < rxr> the test alpha or beta - whatever you wanna call it - must be out until wednesday ...
22:41 < rxr> and so far I really do not see how to manage this ...
22:42 < mnemoc> outch
22:42 < rxr> well - the final version is due 1st january ...
22:43 < rxr> or - better the pre-final version - to be shipped with devices until jan 15th ...
22:43 < jsaw> outch²
22:43 < rxr> but getting the first 3rd party test version out until mid. next week is hard ...
22:43 < rxr> the rest is not a problem ...
22:43 < rxr> aside that I have to fight with xcode most of the time ...
22:53 < jsaw> http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/12/11/yushchenko.austria/index.html ?????
22:58 < rxr> ok - me off
22:58 < rxr> cu in the night - or in the morning ...
22:58 < jsaw> cu you around the clock ;)
23:00 < CIA-9> jsaw * r5053 /trunk/package/base/expat/expat-fix.patch: * expat fix not needed anymore
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23:06 < martin> re
23:06 < martin> rxr: there a bounces some svn-mails for me at exactcode?
23:06 < jsaw> hi martin
23:06 < martin> hi jsaw
23:07 < mnemoc> hi martin
23:09 < martin> hi mnemoc :)
23:14 < mnemoc> where is thunderbird on mozilla's cvs??
23:15 < mnemoc> found
23:37 < martin> i go sleep. gn8
23:38 < jsaw> gn8 martin
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00:13 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5038 /trunk/ (. package/gnome2/gtk-sharp/gtk-sharp.desc): * gtk-sharp updated (1.0.4 -> 1.9.0)
00:13 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5039 /trunk/ (. package/develop/mono-doc/mono-doc.desc): * mono-doc updated (1.0.2 -> 1.0.5)
00:15 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5040 /trunk/ (. package/network/ipsvd/ipsvd.desc): * ipsvd updated (0.9.6 -> 0.9.7)
00:15 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5041 /trunk/ (. package/base/runit/runit.desc): * runit updated (1.0.5 -> 1.1.0)
00:15 < mnemoc> t2 33
00:15 < mnemoc> glibc 32
00:16 < mnemoc> 'photo' metadata GCC 31
00:16 < mnemoc> :)
00:20 < mnemoc> http://cia.navi.cx/ <--- mnemoc on top, t2 between linux26 and glibc :)
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00:44 < daja77> huh? @ odin again?
00:45 < madtux> hello dany boy
00:45 < madtux> daja77: they are clients of mine now for sysadmin outsourcing :)
00:46 < daja77> hehe
00:47 < madtux> currently i'm hear because iw as invited to the xmast celebration party of the company
00:47 < madtux> all fscking people soooo boring..
00:47 < madtux> so i decided to show up a bit here while i wait for my geek fellows to show uop
00:47 < madtux> :)
00:47 < daja77> poor mike
00:48 < madtux> well there is my irc friends to talk to
00:48 < madtux> :)
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00:48 < daja77> :)
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02:29 < rxr> rehi
02:30 < mnemoc> hi rxr
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03:49 < CIA-9> rene * r5042 /trunk/package/x11/xlockmore/xlockmore.desc: * updated xlockmore (5.13 -> 5.14.1)
03:49 * rxr rebooting into linux - wanna check my days email ...
03:49 < rxr> cu soon
03:58 < rxr> puh - good old linux ... ;-)
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04:59 < rxr> hi nzg
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04:59 < rxr> hi mnemoc
05:38 < rxr> the new C++ Update tracker rock so much - yeah
05:38 < CIA-9> rene * r5043 /trunk/package/base/ (24 files in 24 dirs): (log message trimmed)
05:38 < CIA-9> * updated hotplug (2004_09_20 -> 2004_09_23)
05:38 < CIA-9> * updated libdaemon (0.5 -> 0.6)
05:38 < CIA-9> * updated mtr (0.54 -> 0.55)
05:38 < CIA-9> * updated dump (0.4b34 -> 0.4b35)
05:38 < CIA-9> * updated module-init-tools (3.0 -> 3.1)
05:38 < CIA-9> * updated prelink (20031029 -> 20040317)
05:50 < CIA-9> rene * r5044 /trunk/package/develop/ (12 files in 12 dirs): (log message trimmed)
05:50 < CIA-9> * updated diffstat (1.34 -> 1.35)
05:50 < CIA-9> * updated sloccount (2.23 -> 2.26)
05:50 < CIA-9> * updated ddd (3.3.9 -> 3.3.10)
05:50 < CIA-9> * updated ctags (5.5 -> 5.5.1)
05:50 < CIA-9> * updated guile (1.6.3 -> 1.6.4)
05:50 < CIA-9> * updated swig (1.3.21 -> 1.3.22)
06:10 < CIA-9> rene * r5045 /trunk/package/filesystem/ (5 files in 5 dirs):
06:10 < CIA-9> * updated parted (1.6.15 -> 1.6.16)
06:10 < CIA-9> * updated qtparted (0.3.2 -> 0.4.0)
06:10 < CIA-9> * updated squashfs-tools (2.0 -> 2.1)
06:10 < CIA-9> * updated jfsutils (1.1.6 -> 1.1.7)
06:10 < CIA-9> * updated zisofs-tools (1.0.4 -> 1.0.6)
06:13 < rxr> so - that's it for now
06:13 < rxr> mostly untested - but a build is running on my ahtlon
06:13 < rxr> athlon even ...
06:13 < rxr> have I mentioned that the C++ tracker rocks?
09:22 < rxr> someone could adapt the pathces for util-linux
09:22 < rxr> I just reverted the update ...
09:22 < CIA-9> rene * r5046 /trunk/package/base/ (2 files in 2 dirs):
09:22 < CIA-9> * reverted util-linux and module-init-tools update since they
09:22 < CIA-9> do not build in a fresh build
09:22 < rxr> this is why patchign such stuff in is bad ...
09:22 < rxr> module-init-tools does fail in the man page generation :-(
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10:51 < __martin_> hi rxr
11:30 < rxr> moin __martin_
12:02 < nzg> moin
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12:38 < mnemoc> moin!
12:40 < martinb_> moin
12:42 < mnemoc> hi mr. B
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12:59 < nzg> moin mnemoc, martinb_
13:08 < rxr> moin mnemoc
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15:41 < rxr> rehi madtux and kensai
15:41 * rxr shortly away getting food
15:42 < kensai> rehi rxr
15:46 < madtux> hallo all
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16:26 < rxr> rehi
16:27 < madtux> wb :)
16:30 < mnemoc> rxr: hi, what would you use to generate random string on buildings if ifconfig is not availabe?
16:31 < mnemoc> dd if=/dev/random ?
16:33 < rxr> random differs from run to run ...
16:33 < rxr> there is this hostid ...
16:33 < mnemoc> INFO: Testing
16:33 < mnemoc> INFO: Testing
16:33 < mnemoc> INFO: Testing
16:34 < mnemoc> yes, hostid is available
16:35 < rxr> box is up
16:35 < rxr> or fallback to ip? s/ifconfig/ip/ ...
16:36 < mnemoc> ifconfig -a produce some randomness
16:36 < mnemoc> ip a s nothing
16:36 < rxr> the point is not the randomness - it is to identify hosts - e.g. in cluster builds ...
16:36 < mnemoc> ic
16:36 < rxr> ip link of course ...
16:37 < rxr> hm - btw ifconfig -a sucks - there is the transfer volume in it ...
16:37 < mnemoc> that's why i thought you wanted randomess
16:37 < mnemoc> ness*
16:37 < rxr> maybe we should migrate this to hostid ; ip link in general
16:37 < rxr> I did not added this anyway - I guess clifford was it during the initially hacked cluster builds ...
16:38 < rxr> btw, maybe we want to get rid of the numbers anyway
16:38 < rxr> as we want for the stages ...
16:38 < rxr> I heared complains the numbers are so much senseless ..
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16:43 < mnemoc> rxr: did you read?
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16:43 < rxr_> what about src.$pkg.$hostname.$ip.$random | btw gsmp. is up and running
16:43 < mnemoc> rxr_ even
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16:45 < rxr> so
16:45 < mnemoc> $hostname.$ip ?
16:45 < rxr> mnemoc: what did you post?
16:45 < rxr> mnemoc: speudo code
16:46 < mnemoc> 26 hostsum=
16:46 < mnemoc> 27 if [ -x hostid ]; then
16:46 < mnemoc> 28 hostsum=`hostid`
16:46 < mnemoc> 29 elif [ -x ip ]; then
16:46 < mnemoc> 30 hostsum=`ip link | cksum | cut -f1 -d' '`
16:46 < mnemoc> 31 else
16:46 < mnemoc> 32 hostsum=`/sbin/ifconfig -a | cksum | cut -f1 -d' '`
16:46 < mnemoc> 33 fi
16:46 < mnemoc> 34 date "+%s.$$.$hostsum"
16:48 < rxr> what do you think about more verbose names instead of numbers in general ?
16:50 < mnemoc> i tend to prefer them
16:50 < mnemoc> but i don't know if it pays for this
16:52 < mnemoc> uhm... my evilness worked
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16:52 < rxr> why not? instead of this cryptic numbers you would get s.th. to recognize ...
16:53 < mnemoc> in that case why $hostname.$ip isntead of just `hostname -f` ?
16:55 < mnemoc> OT: i don't know what to do wil gtk-sharp
16:55 < mnemoc> with*
16:55 < mnemoc> 1.0 use $foo.pc and 1.9 use $foo-2.0.pc
16:56 < mnemoc> symlinking them was enought to build mono-doc-1.0.5
16:56 < mnemoc> so there is backward compatibility
16:57 < rxr> then convert it to hostname -f for now and when someone wants IP for cluster config without uniq hostname he/she can add it back ...
16:57 < rxr> mnemoc: yep - symlink it then ;-)
16:57 * rxr preparing "lunch"
17:04 < mnemoc> too evil :(
17:04 < mnemoc> pkg-config segfaults on ./debug.sh now
17:16 < rxr> ouhm
17:20 < mnemoc> testing great-evilness-hack on gtk-sharp.conf
17:58 < mnemoc> no, i have to downgrade gtk# to 1.0.4 :(
18:05 < rxr> ifeq ($(DISTRO),Owl)
18:05 < rxr> ???
18:09 < mnemoc> where?
18:09 < rxr> sysvinit-2.86
18:09 < mnemoc> LOL
18:17 < rxr> btw, why don't we add -l (ignore white spaces) to the patchopts ?
18:17 < CIA-9> rene * r5047 /trunk/package/base/sysvinit/ (sulogin_initscr.patch sysvinit.patch): * rediffed sysvinit patches after update
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18:26 < CIA-9> rene * r5048 /trunk/package/base/gmp/gcc34.patch: * removed the obsolete gcc34 patch for gmp
18:26 < rxr> 1011 builds total, 382 completed fine, 0 with errors.
18:27 < rxr> hopefully I do not have to fix many regressions due to my heavy update ... ;-)
18:28 * rxr booting into linux - mom
18:43 < mnemoc> tr
18:44 < mnemoc> does -l work on old `patch`s?
18:44 < rxr> no idea ...
19:21 < rxr> [5] e17/efsd
19:21 < rxr> 1011 builds total, 429 completed fine, 1 with errors.
19:38 < martinb_> Hi, I have build mplayer
19:38 < martinb_> $ mplayer 12\ -\ Annett\ Louisan\ -\ Das\ Liebeslied.mp3
19:38 < martinb_> MPlayer 1.0pre5-3.2.3 (C) 2000-2004 MPlayer Team
19:38 < martinb_> Ungültiger Maschinenbefehl (core dumped)
19:38 < martinb_> mplayer don't play any format :(
19:47 < rxr> did you emerge it ?
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20:17 < martinb_> yes
20:17 < rxr> hm :-(
20:17 < rxr> here it worked ...
20:18 < rxr> must be some altivec optimization causing harm ...
20:20 < martinb_> hmmm, what can i do?
20:21 < mnemoc> any problems if a create a function called mangle_snapshot as a generalization of cvs download to help introduction of svn:// and maybe others in future?
20:23 < rxr> our svn:// stuff has not much mangling anymore ...
20:23 < rxr> errr cvs:// anyway ...
20:24 < rxr> maybe do it this way:
20:24 < rxr> http and ftp as usual
20:24 < rxr> everything else the same parameter copy with the stuff before :// as command line client
20:24 < rxr> and the actual cvs and svn code should not be much left anymore ...
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20:31 < martinb_> hmmm rxr, what can i do? can I change some configure options for a working mplayer?
20:41 < mnemoc> re
20:42 < mnemoc> rxr: how do you want to differenciate svn http:// from svn svn:// ?
20:43 < mnemoc> svn://$protocol:$server/$module ?
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20:56 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5050 /trunk/:
20:56 < mnemoc> o_O
20:56 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5049 /trunk/ (. scripts/Download): * download_this_file reordered to check http:// and ftp:// first
20:57 < mnemoc> svn://http://svn.exactcode.de/gsmp/trunk -r4000 ?
20:57 < mnemoc> it's kind of ugly
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21:03 < rxr> yeah - this is interesting ...
21:04 < rxr> but maybe it is the best we can come up with ...
21:04 < mnemoc> svn://http|svn.exactcode.de/gsmp/trunk -r4000 ?
21:04 < mnemoc> that's less ugly
21:05 < rxr> I do not think so - it is unintuitive you have to type s.th. you do not type this way on the terminal yourself ...
21:05 < rxr> I find prefixing svn:// more comfortable ...
21:05 < mnemoc> svn://http://svn.exactcode.de/gsmp/trunk -r4000 ?
21:05 < mnemoc> svn://svn://svn.geeks.cl/mycrap -r1000 ?
21:05 < mnemoc> uhm
21:06 < mnemoc> ok
21:06 < mnemoc> ugly [D] in pro of clean scripts
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21:08 < rxr> do you need svn:// checkout - or do you just add because it is in submaster?
21:09 < rxr> martinb_: you might hack --disable-altivec into the configure script in the hope it really disable it
21:09 < rxr> sorry - right now I have no time to look into it ...
21:09 < rxr> important commercial osx work ... - I can look into it later - maybe tomorrow morning ...
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21:09 < rxr> ouhm
21:11 < mnemoc> rxr: gtkviewsource-sharp, required by monodevelop is only on svn
21:12 < mnemoc> and it is via svn:// instead of http://
21:13 < rxr> cool - ;-)
21:14 < rxr> the more I hang in osx the sooner we get some lightweight C++ barebone that is able to buuild straight forward packages (e.g. not any shell fature possible withint the current shell stuff)
21:14 < rxr> just to fill my /t2 and work more comforable ...
21:18 < mnemoc> uhm, it wont be that clean to share cvs/svn code
21:19 < mnemoc> cvs use module after and space
21:19 < mnemoc> svn doesn't
21:19 < mnemoc> an*
21:19 < rxr> maybe you want to to give the checkout a meaningfull name?
21:19 < rxr> e.g. .../trunk gtkviewsource-sharp ... ?
21:20 < mnemoc>
21:20 < mnemoc> :)
21:20 < rxr> ? I type it this way:
21:20 < rxr> svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk t2-trunk
21:20 < mnemoc> it's a clean paste
21:21 < mnemoc> svn://http://svn.exactcode.de/gsmp/trunk gsmp-trunk -r4000
21:21 < mnemoc> ok
21:22 < rxr> yeah - the only unintuitive thing is (aside from the double scheme specification) the options at the end - no idea if one could throw it this way into the svn command line tool
21:24 < mnemoc> i'm not sure if mixing both is ok
21:31 < mnemoc> -P is also a problem
21:32 < mnemoc> i think we should do $cmdclient specific preprocesing before the common part
21:35 < rxr> maybe just implement it as you see fit ... it is no problem to rearange tunr it later on
21:44 < mnemoc> ok
22:07 < mnemoc> rxr: are this cmdlines ok?
22:08 < mnemoc> cmdline: svn co -r36079 svn://svn.myrealbox.com/source/trunk/gtksourceview-sharp gtksourceview-sharp
22:08 < mnemoc> cmdline: cvs -z9 -Q -d :pserver:anoncvs@freedesktop.org:/cvs/xapps co -P -D 2004-10-30 xcompmgr
22:09 < rxr> ouhm - I think so
22:09 < mnemoc> me too, but it's too hot here to think :)
22:20 < mnemoc> finished
22:22 < rxr> hot?
22:23 < mnemoc> 29C
22:24 < mnemoc> outside, i think here there are at least 2-3 extra degrees
22:24 < mnemoc> commited, take a look please
22:25 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5051 /trunk/ (. scripts/Download): * implements (as clean as i could) multiple snapshot downloading (cvs:// & svn://)
22:25 < jsaw> svn://svn.exactcode.de/gsmp/trunk:http ?
22:25 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5052 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * dhcpcd-scriptconfig is an optional package
22:25 < jsaw> re
22:25 < mnemoc> svn://http://svn.exactcode.de/gsmp/trunk
22:26 < mnemoc> jsaw: rene thought any other way was too unnatural
22:26 < jsaw> URL scheme -> use port?
22:27 < mnemoc> $cmdclient://$url $options
22:27 < rxr> hi jsaw
22:27 < mnemoc> if you want to user ports, add it
22:27 < jsaw> hi rxr
22:27 < mnemoc> on $url
22:27 < jsaw> URL: $scheme://$authority:$port
22:28 < rxr> jsaw: this should work automatically I think
22:28 < mnemoc> port=4587 or port=http ?
22:28 < mnemoc> the script is quite dumb, it believes anything on [D]
22:28 < jsaw> oh, I see
22:28 < mnemoc> maintainers responsability
22:29 < mnemoc> i wanted svn://svn|svn.exactcode.de/foo
22:29 < mnemoc> i wanted svn://http|svn.exactcode.de/foo
22:29 < jsaw> actually I just wanted to express that a URL conforming thing would suit better IMO
22:29 < mnemoc> and replace | with sed
22:29 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/xcode-render-corruption.tiff
22:29 < rxr> ^- so much to the bug freeness of osx ...
22:30 < rxr> and this is not the only bug - osx and xcode are full of those, just that this is the first Quarz or so rendering corruption I got ...
22:30 < mnemoc> jsaw: t2 doens't use URL conforming from long time ago
22:30 < jsaw> rxr: nice
22:30 < rxr> + the xcode text rendering is dog slow ...
22:31 < jsaw> mnemoc: really? Obviously I didn't pay that much attention... :/
22:32 < mnemoc> jsaw: [D] X xcompmgr-2004-10-30.tar.bz2 cvs://:pserver:anoncvs@freedesktop.org:/cvs/xapps xcompmgr -D 2004-10-30
22:32 < jsaw> oh btw, rxr, thanks for changing the changelog.
22:33 < jsaw> mnemoc: what's the problem with this?
22:33 < mnemoc> that was an example of what were we using
22:34 < mnemoc> i didn't changed that, rene was :)
22:34 < rxr> I changed it because the former one was very fragile and broke in strange ways hard to track when you mistype the encoded URL
22:34 < jsaw> but it's still a valid URL besides the empty port...
22:34 < rxr> I also changed it to support any possible option without inventing more and more magic encodings ...
22:35 < mnemoc> jsaw: spaces make it invalid
22:35 < rxr> inject %20 or so from them ;-)
22:35 < mnemoc> hehe
22:35 < jsaw> oh, that you mean. okay, we don't use the query...
22:36 < mnemoc> but it is very easy to change svn:// to:
22:36 < mnemoc> svn://$schema:$url $options
22:36 < mnemoc> $url includes port if needed
22:37 < jsaw> okay one last question: why's svn://svn:// better then something like svn:svn:// ?
22:37 < mnemoc> svn://svn:svn.myrealbox.com/trunk/mono -r10000
22:37 < mnemoc> jsaw: that helps the dumb script
22:37 < jsaw> okay.
22:37 < mnemoc> less mangling, that was the command :)
22:38 < jsaw> okay. you got me convinced.
22:38 < mnemoc> really?
22:38 < jsaw> yes.
22:38 < mnemoc> great, can you convince _me_ now? because i hate it :p
22:38 < jsaw> being convinced and liking are two different things ;)
22:39 < mnemoc> ack
22:40 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you think about the implementation?
22:41 < rxr> mnemoc: I have not yet looked into it ...
22:41 < mnemoc> :(
22:41 < rxr> and I wanna finish some parts of the commandline test of our osx scanner driver
22:41 < mnemoc> ok :)
22:41 < rxr> the test alpha or beta - whatever you wanna call it - must be out until wednesday ...
22:41 < rxr> and so far I really do not see how to manage this ...
22:42 < mnemoc> outch
22:42 < rxr> well - the final version is due 1st january ...
22:43 < rxr> or - better the pre-final version - to be shipped with devices until jan 15th ...
22:43 < jsaw> outch²
22:43 < rxr> but getting the first 3rd party test version out until mid. next week is hard ...
22:43 < rxr> the rest is not a problem ...
22:43 < rxr> aside that I have to fight with xcode most of the time ...
22:53 < jsaw> http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/12/11/yushchenko.austria/index.html ?????
22:58 < rxr> ok - me off
22:58 < rxr> cu in the night - or in the morning ...
22:58 < jsaw> cu you around the clock ;)
23:00 < CIA-9> jsaw * r5053 /trunk/package/base/expat/expat-fix.patch: * expat fix not needed anymore
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23:06 < martin> re
23:06 < martin> rxr: there a bounces some svn-mails for me at exactcode?
23:06 < jsaw> hi martin
23:06 < martin> hi jsaw
23:07 < mnemoc> hi martin
23:09 < martin> hi mnemoc :)
23:14 < mnemoc> where is thunderbird on mozilla's cvs??
23:15 < mnemoc> found
23:37 < martin> i go sleep. gn8
23:38 < jsaw> gn8 martin
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