--- Log opened Fri Dec 24 00:00:41 2004 00:00 < mnemoc> can i commit the patch i have here? it ports current and fix a few from google, but it is WIP 00:01 < mnemoc> it will be broken but less broken than now 00:02 < CIA-9> rene * r5206 /trunk/package/base/binutils/ld-glob.patch: 00:02 < CIA-9> * implemented globbing support for /etc/ld.so.conf - we need this, 00:02 < CIA-9> since we support globbing in the glibc's dynamic linker and equally 00:02 < CIA-9> the linker needs to locate the libraries during compiling, too (we 00:02 < CIA-9> have some ugly package specific hacks for some of those problems in 00:02 < CIA-9> the tree right now ...) 00:03 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - commit it ... 00:08 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5207 /trunk/ (. package/base/dietlibc/parse-config-9): * export DIETHOME= moved to the right place and re-enabled 00:08 * mnemoc looking with fear svk merging 00:08 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5208 /trunk/ (. package/base/dietlibc/pkg_patch/pkg_iproute2.patch): * diet's patch for iproute2 ported, improved, but still WIP 00:08 < mnemoc> no evilness?? 00:08 < mnemoc> yes! great 00:14 < rxr> ;-) 00:20 < mnemoc> i guess i should have choosen to fix iproute on glibc first :\ 00:20 < rxr> hm? 00:21 < rxr> it built here ... 00:21 < mnemoc> on diet? 00:21 < mnemoc> with* 00:21 < jsaw> re 00:21 < mnemoc> well iproute2 and/or glibc kernel headers have their issues as well ... 00:21 < mnemoc> hi jsaw 00:21 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 00:21 < jsaw> hi rxr 00:22 < jsaw> hehe, iproute2 on diet... 00:22 < mnemoc> :p 00:24 < mnemoc> is it ok to hardcode a -v to diet on OTHERS ? 00:24 < rxr> what ? 00:24 < mnemoc> i don't get the same results running ./debug.sh 00:24 < mnemoc> diet -v gcc blah blah blah 00:24 < jsaw> no problem with me. But a way to add options to wrappers would be more clean... 00:24 < mnemoc> using cmd_wrapper 00:24 < mnemoc> yes but there is no diet wrapper 00:25 < jsaw> no, I meant, using CMD_WRAPPER_OTHERS="diet -v" or so 00:25 < jsaw> well, next year... I put this on my TODO. 00:26 < mnemoc> yes, that was what i was asking :) 00:26 < mnemoc> execvp(diet -v,...) - No such file or direc 00:26 < mnemoc> :\ 00:26 < jsaw> exactly... that's why I put it on my todo... 00:26 < mnemoc> =) 00:27 * mnemoc moving home 00:27 < mnemoc> back in 20 minutes 00:27 < jsaw> cu, mnemoc 00:29 < jsaw> rxr: just a general question, what would be, if (for T2 3.0 or so, when we start with C++...) we would use an adapted ash? 00:30 < rxr> hm ;-) 00:31 < jsaw> I was stumbling over ash when I tried klibc. (It's around 80k with klibc) and seems easy to modify resp. implement additional builtin commands. 00:32 < rxr> interest[Binteresting idea ,-) 00:35 < jsaw> So, I'll keep it in mind when we start the (re-)design phase :) 00:39 < jsaw> hope we will start soon with it... 00:39 < jsaw> I 00:39 < jsaw> I'm slightly fed up with the current situation - too many exceptions... 00:48 < rxr> so - re 00:48 < rxr> my airport stuck due to too flancky ap connection 00:48 < rxr> had to remodprobe the module ... 00:50 < rxr> jsaw: have you time to toook if we can now remove the rpath whatever hacks we added due to the lCd not globbing issue? 00:51 < jsaw> I remember add rpath, but where did we do it? 00:51 < rxr> some gtk gnome stuff and at least avifile 00:52 < jsaw> grep -R is my friend... 00:52 < rxr> might also be -L some [3~[D[3~-dir 00:52 < rxr> arrgh 00:52 < rxr> this conection kills me ... 01:01 < rxr> so - now grabed my brother's desk ... 01:11 < mnemoc> re 01:13 < rxr> rehi mnemoc 01:14 < mnemoc> hi :) 01:24 < jsaw> I have to sleep. cu you all after xmas! Have fun. Relax. Code! 01:24 < mnemoc> after? 01:25 < rxr> cu jsaw 01:25 < rxr> and happy xmas ;-) 01:25 < mnemoc> merry xmas jsaw, then :) 01:25 < rxr> freet your familly ... ;-) 01:25 < rxr> greet even 01:25 < mnemoc> :) 01:25 < jsaw> thanks alot. Happy christmas to you too! 01:26 < mnemoc> greeting to marlene, luna? and wife :) 01:26 < jsaw> (my parents-in-law have DSL, so I might show up in the meantime...) 01:27 < jsaw> thanks (marlene hannah stella and charlotte (not yet decided) luna) 01:27 < jsaw> feliz navidad (is this correct?) 01:28 < mnemoc> yep 01:28 * mnemoc jmping to leo to say merry xmas in german 01:29 < jsaw> and? 01:29 < mnemoc> Fröhliche Weihnachten! 01:29 < mnemoc> :) 01:30 < jsaw> yes. 01:30 < jsaw> so only french is missing. 01:30 < jsaw> anyway, gone. 01:30 < mnemoc> cu jsaw :) 01:41 < mnemoc> rxr: are you osx-ing? 01:46 < rxr> no 01:46 < rxr> x.org fixing 01:48 < mnemoc> :) 02:12 < rxr> hey 02:12 < rxr> http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/ 02:12 < rxr> http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/?root=core 02:12 < rxr> http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewcvs/?root=extras 02:13 < mnemoc> ... 02:40 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.196.226.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 02:40 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.exactcode.de/t2 02:40 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Dec 18 15:39:34 2004] 02:40 [Users #t2] 02:40 [ _Ragnar_] [ daja77 ] [ jsaw ] [ nzg] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin] 02:40 [ CIA-9 ] [ hannes_] [ mnemoc] [ rxr] [ sparc-kly] 02:40 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 11 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal] 02:40 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.196.14.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:40 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 02:41 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 15 secs 04:44 < mnemoc> build build build test test test fix fix fix 10:28 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: CIA-9 10:33 -!- sparc-kly_ [~mubex@64.237.130.173] has joined #t2 10:36 -!- sparc-kly_ [~mubex@64.237.130.173] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:36 -!- sparc-kly-OUT [~mubex@64.237.130.173] has joined #t2 10:37 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.130.173] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:52 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@to.je.spocco.com] has joined #t2 14:38 < rxr_> moin 14:38 -!- You're now known as rxr 14:46 < CIA-9> rene * r5209 /trunk/package/x11/xvattr/ (. xvattr.cache xvattr.desc): * added xvattr (1.3) 15:19 -!- madtux [~mike@200.91.101.102] has joined #t2 15:20 < madtux> hello 15:21 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.56] has joined #t2 15:21 < madtux> hola mnemoc_ 15:21 < mnemoc_> madtux: :) 15:31 < mnemoc_> do i need to run distcc --daemon on the machine running the build too? 15:33 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.25] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:33 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc 15:44 < valentin> hi everybody 15:48 < mnemoc> hi valentin 15:54 < valentin> hi mnemoc 15:54 < valentin> i am at my family to celebrate xmas 15:55 -!- sparc-kly-OUT is now known as sparc-kly 15:56 < rxr> hi valentin 15:57 < rxr> mnemoc: no you don't 15:57 < rxr> only on the remote boxes 15:58 -!- madtux [~mike@200.91.101.102] has quit ["leaving"] 15:59 < sparc-kly> hi all 16:00 < valentin> hi rxr, sparc-kly 16:03 < mnemoc> hi sparc-kly 16:03 < mnemoc> rxr: any problem if remote machine has gcc 3.3.3? 16:04 < sparc-kly> :P 16:04 < rxr> well - only that you get mixed binaries then 16:04 < rxr> you should nto do this 16:04 < sparc-kly> itunes rlz :D 16:04 < mnemoc> rxr: ok 16:04 < rxr> altouhg it might often work ... 16:04 < mnemoc> i'll update my gcc 16:04 < rxr> this is what I meant with "we need to improbe this to pass the new T2 compiler to the remote machnes ..." 16:05 < mnemoc> ic 16:12 < CIA-9> rene * r5210 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/xorg_config.sh: * fixed xorg to use $makeopt to pass the -j that might be in the var 16:12 < mnemoc> :) 16:13 < mnemoc> after you finish with xorg and if you have time can you try to find what is redefining socket stuff on diet/iproute2? 16:14 < mnemoc> i must be 'blind' 16:14 < CIA-9> rene * r5211 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/radeon-ibook.patch: * updated the xorg/radeon-ibook patch 16:14 < rxr> so - now I'll take some cake and cookie stuff including coffee and such 16:14 < rxr> cu ... 16:14 < mnemoc> cu rxr 16:17 < valentin> i will be offline now, too 16:18 < valentin> of course my irssi is running in a screen on my server @home, so you are not umonitored *g* 16:19 < valentin> cu later - i wish everybody a happy xmas eve ! 16:19 < mnemoc> as usual :) 16:19 < mnemoc> cu valentin, merry xmas! 16:19 < valentin> thx 16:19 < valentin> cu 16:57 < rxr> so 16:57 < rxr> some more hacking @my brothers room ... 16:58 < mnemoc> :) 16:58 < rxr> I now fix find ... 16:58 < rxr> and then I install the -beta2 on my brothers athlon 16:58 < rxr> my farther also wants a new linux on his K5-500 ... 16:58 < rxr> so we will have some wider testing and most probably some bug fixing ... 16:58 < mnemoc> i http install workig? 16:59 < rxr> no idea - I use it that seldom 16:59 < rxr> my parents are already over their 1GB limit this months ... 16:59 < mnemoc> 1GB??? 16:59 < rxr> so they would kill me for installing 1.2GB over the line anyway ... 16:59 < mnemoc> that's nothing 16:59 < rxr> well - they only need some web surfing and mail ... 16:59 < rxr> nothing fancy ... 17:00 < rxr> they are only over this because my brother downloaded some moves from my home ... 17:00 < rxr> normally they only consume a few houndred MB ... 17:00 < rxr> and this 1GB tarif saves them some cents ... 17:02 -!- madtux [~mike@200.91.101.102] has joined #t2 17:04 < rxr> hi madtux ! 17:04 < madtux> good day rene. 17:04 < rxr> merry christmas 17:04 < madtux> merry xmas to u too. 17:04 < mnemoc> mightytux 17:04 < madtux> 0_o 17:04 < mnemoc> :) 17:05 < mnemoc> tinytux? 17:05 < madtux> BTW.. on my little trip .. i installed my production box with a custom t2 17:05 < mnemoc> :D 17:05 < madtux> so the clients have their internal web, mail, db and fileserver 17:06 < mnemoc> selinux? 17:06 < madtux> not yet. 17:06 < madtux> but its not really exposed to the world 17:06 < madtux> so it will be fine 17:07 < mnemoc> madtux: yestarday rene added distcc support, i think you have enough hardware to do a nice dist build :) 17:08 < madtux> mnemoc: i read.. and yes i will play with it 17:08 < madtux> i already have experience with distcc 17:08 < madtux> :) 17:08 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5212 /trunk/ (. scripts/Download scripts/functions): * Introduce non-mirrorable [D]s with a minus '-' prefix on location 17:09 < mnemoc> i wanted to play with it but emerging gcc34 on this gcc33 failed due to 'sanity checks' over cpp :( 17:11 < madtux> :P 17:14 < mnemoc> xfce4.2rc3 17:16 < madtux> its a good thing to have distcc on t2 17:17 < madtux> i read a few days ago a guy asking for an option to add a name to the resulting "distro" 17:17 < madtux> since we have made very clear the fact that t2 is NOT a distribution but a build kit, i really think that we should also have this option on. 17:17 < mnemoc> what would name a distro? a file on /etc ? 17:18 < madtux> mnemoc: basically: 17:18 < madtux> /etc/DISTNAME 17:18 < madtux> plus the stuff on lilo / grub 17:18 < mnemoc> target or config dependant? 17:18 < madtux> config dependent 17:19 < mnemoc> that's quite easy to implement 17:19 < madtux> indeed. 17:20 < madtux> is maybe something stupid.. but the feeling of having ur own distro and nameing it something that can be of great motivation for new users 17:20 < mnemoc> brb 17:20 < madtux> lets say 17:20 < mnemoc> sure it is 17:20 < madtux> MNY Linux - Powered by T2 17:21 < madtux> just silly ideas going through my mind 17:23 < rxr> yes - ack - we want this options - as I wrote in this thread ... 17:24 < madtux> i know.. 17:24 < madtux> just wanted to disturb the waters a bit 17:24 < madtux> :) 17:31 < rxr> ;-) 17:33 < madtux> the "Powered by T2" is just an expresion, but really we should find a nice and original expresion for the same porpouse 17:34 < madtux> including a small image to place on webs of servers running t2 17:35 < madtux> rxr: as a business man you know more than well that marketing is a very important key for sucess 17:35 < rxr> yep 17:35 < madtux> and so at this point we really have to look forward to start branching 17:36 < madtux> meaning.. making the people familiar with the company and the product 17:37 < madtux> now.. I'm not a memeber of the exactcode staff.. but i'm a developer of T2, and so i care about its future 17:37 < rxr> t2 is not an exactcode product ... 17:37 < rxr> it is just an open source project ... 17:37 < madtux> i know 17:38 < rxr> yes - we should continue to do good pr ... 17:38 < rxr> -beta was a huge success .. 17:38 < rxr> and we need good logo and homepage work ... 17:40 < madtux> well for site stuff mnemoc can be a good help.. he's for example a tikipro freak 17:46 < rxr> cool 17:46 < rxr> find bug fixed 17:53 < rxr> ok - beta2 tag soon 17:55 < madtux> xmas gift? 17:55 < madtux> :) 17:58 < rxr> I paledn oo 17:58 < rxr> altough my testing is nto as advanced as I hoped .. 17:59 < rxr> but I prepare the tag now and might t2 list rlease tonight 17:59 < rxr> a reall big PR announcement will be done when the x86 iso is available so people are more atracted to test t2 out ... 17:59 < rxr> (sorry for typos - slow connecton) 18:00 < madtux> :) 18:00 < madtux> dialup ? 18:02 < madtux> rxr: i have invitations to 9 events next year so far to give some talks, would it be a problem if one of the talks that i give at every event is about T2 ? 18:02 < rxr> no - AP with link quliaty of <20/92 due to steel concret in between 18:02 < rxr> no - actually this would be quite nice PR ... - why do you think it ever could be a problem ? 18:04 < madtux> good.. 18:04 < madtux> so consider it a fact.. 18:04 < madtux> perhaps we should wok on a good paper and presentation to use for this 18:04 < madtux> work* 18:04 < madtux> so all of us can use it. 18:05 < madtux> as mnemoc will also start going to events on 2005. 18:06 < rxr> yes, a common set of really good illustrated work would be nice 18:06 < CIA-9> rene * r5213 /trunk/package/base/findutils/4.2.10-printf-P.patch: 18:06 < CIA-9> * fixed printf "%P" in the lastest finutils package (as used in our 18:06 < CIA-9> Create-ISO script) 18:07 < rxr> so - let's tag beta2 18:08 < CIA-9> rene * r5214 /tags/2.1.0-beta2/: 18:08 < CIA-9> * tagged 2.1.0-beta2 (might get some last minute fixes - but 18:08 < CIA-9> experimental stuff can go into trunk again) 18:09 < CIA-9> rene * r5215 /trunk/scripts/parse-config: * bumped version to 2.1.0-beta3 18:11 < madtux> weeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 18:16 < mnemoc> re 18:16 < rxr> yeah - happy celebration 18:16 < mnemoc> thanks rene! 18:16 < rxr> hi mn 18:17 < rxr> mnemoc: even ... ;-) 18:17 < mnemoc> can you take a look into diet/iproute2? 18:17 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - but only a bit later ;-) 18:17 * rxr a bit in the background again ... 18:17 < mnemoc> ok 18:18 < rxr> mnemoc: but make sure you celebrate a bit with your familly ... 18:19 < mnemoc> i'll take my direct-family to my grand-family in three hours 18:34 < madtux> mnemoc: u didn't invite me :( 18:35 < mnemoc> you didn't invite me to your matrimony 18:35 < madtux> that was the LEGAL part 18:35 < madtux> u MUST come to the official thing 18:35 < mnemoc> :) 18:36 < mnemoc> a ticket on the invitation? :) 18:36 < madtux> maybe. 18:36 < mnemoc> oops, you put me on troubles... that was a joke 18:37 < mnemoc> rxr: for xfce, should i use 4.2-rc3 or 4.1.99.3 as files say? 18:38 < madtux> i can afford for your ticket i guess.. 18:38 < madtux> or i can send you a bicicle 18:38 < mnemoc> madtux: :D 18:44 < madtux> ok folks 18:44 < madtux> i'm leaving for celebration 18:44 < madtux> cya in a few days 18:45 < madtux> and Merry Christmas to ya all 18:45 < mnemoc> cu madtux, and happy happy xmas! 18:46 -!- madtux [~mike@200.91.101.102] has quit ["leaving"] 20:33 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.0-beta RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | Happy Christmas people! | http://www.exactcode.de/t2 20:42 < mnemoc> cu tomorrow guys! happy christmas 20:43 < mnemoc> bye CIA-9, take care. 21:18 -!- cchamilt [~chatzilla@24.159.92.237] has joined #t2 --- Log closed Sat Dec 25 00:00:41 2004