T2 IRC Log: 2004-12-30

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--- Log opened Thu Dec 30 00:00:46 2004
00:01 < jsaw> opt/e17/bin/edje_cc
00:02 < rxr> re
00:02 < jsaw> opt/e17/bin/embryo_cc
00:02 < jsaw> one of these...
00:03 < rxr> embryo_cc
00:03 < rxr> edje is s.th. different
00:04 < rxr> link quality: 33/92
00:04 < rxr> ;-)
00:04 < CIA-10> jsaw * r5312 /trunk/package/python/pil/freetype2-fix.patch: * freetype2 header location fix for PIL
00:07 < mnemoc> rxr: when you reach 40% you will be back on berlin
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00:08 < mnemoc> jsaw: CC=$root/opt/e17/bin/embryo_cc looks evil
00:09 < rxr> mnemoc: better just remove CC from the make argument list so it picks the one specified in the make file#
00:09 < jsaw> is it a new cvs checkout of entrance?
00:10 < mnemoc> entrance-2004-06-24
00:10 < jsaw> maybe they already found out that it is not very sensible to use CC...
00:11 < jsaw> 1349 builds total, 1279 completed fine, 70 with errors.
00:11 < rxr> mnemoc: or just leave it alone ...
00:11 < rxr> we should pull a complete e17 update soon ...
00:11 < mnemoc> ok
00:12 < mnemoc> var_remove_regex makeopt ' ' 'CC=[^ ]*' reverted
00:12 < rxr> e.g. they announced the first mostly working new e17 window manager in early dec or so
00:12 < mnemoc> ic
00:12 < CIA-10> rene * r5313 /trunk/package/graphic/gimp/gimp.desc: * updated gimp (2.2.0 -> 2.2.1)
00:14 < mnemoc> 1349 builds total, 1279 completed fine, 70 with errors. <-- i have 4 when 752 completed, stuff seems to get dark
00:14 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 25.79% (187 hits, 538 misses)
00:14 < rxr> ^- this is a first pass abiword
00:15 < rxr> (which some abiword built on my book weeks ago of course)
00:15 < rxr> let's see if it get near 100% for a rebuild
00:15 < jsaw> mnemoc: yes, quite some packages fail in later stages.
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00:15 < rxr> during rebuild?
00:16 < rxr> or just toy packages that fail?
00:16 < rxr> jsaw: to you also get the segfault in ld during inkscape build?
00:16 < jsaw> no
00:17 < jsaw> 5-inkscape.log
00:17 < rxr> oh
00:17 < rxr> interesting
00:17 < rxr> I thought it would be an globbing patch problem
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00:17 < mnemoc> Error logs from full-2.1.0-beta3-x86-pentiumpro-32-generic-expert:
00:17 < mnemoc> [5] e17/efsd [5] e17/entrance
00:17 < mnemoc> [5] kde/kdebindings [5] contrib/joystick
00:17 < mnemoc> [5] kde/kdeedu
00:17 < mnemoc> 1349 builds total, 755 completed fine, 5 with errors.
00:18 < mnemoc> kdeedu joined the list
00:18 < rxr> we can remove joystick anyways
00:18 < rxr> I accidently pacakged the wrong one
00:18 < rxr> it is obsolete
00:18 < rxr> instead we need some linux input device utility package s.th.
00:18 < rxr> to calibrate joysticks and such
00:19 < jsaw> mnemoc: kdebindings? why does it fail?
00:19 < mnemoc> cc1plus leaks
00:20 < jsaw> 5-kdebindings.log here
00:20 < jsaw> seems I have enough memory...
00:20 < mnemoc> http://lkml.org/lkml/2004/8/24/118 <--- this, but eating 700m
00:20 < rxr> I guess only for some optimizations
00:20 < rxr> I also get the error on a 512MB Athlon optimizing for pentium-mmx
00:20 < mnemoc> i did pmmx
00:21 * rxr too
00:21 < mnemoc> ppro, sorry
00:21 * rxr not
00:21 < mnemoc> mine failed for ppro :)
00:22 < mnemoc> ld: cannot find -lboost_python
00:22 < mnemoc> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
00:22 < mnemoc> make[3]: *** [libkigpart.la] Error 1
00:22 < mnemoc> make[3]: Leaving directory `/TOOLCHAIN/src.kdeedu.1104359761.28646.0/kdeedu-3.3.2/kig'
00:23 < jsaw> MemTotal: 903512 kB
00:23 < jsaw> SwapTotal: 2000052 kB
00:23 < mnemoc> jsaw: you have enough memory :)
00:23 < jsaw> The max usage I've seen was beyound 800Mb
00:23 < jsaw> in kdebindings
00:24 < mnemoc> that's nasty
00:26 < mnemoc> you can't consider ok a package which needs 800Mb and lot of time on 0.0cpu
00:26 < mnemoc> i have 512+1024 and i aborted after 4 hours
00:26 < CIA-10> rene * r5314 /trunk/package/x11/rxvt-unicode/rxvt-unicode.desc: * updated rxvt-unicode (4.6 -> 4.7)
00:27 < rxr> on my big athlon it failed OOM killed IIRC
00:27 < mnemoc> krap :)
00:27 < rxr> and my DVB-T that was streamed to the CRT at the asme time degraded to 6 frames per minute or so ...
00:27 < rxr> and per minute was no typo ...
00:28 < rxr> I was near to hit the reset button ...
00:28 < rxr> I think we should disable the part of kdebindings that neads that much memory to build
00:28 < rxr> it is unnormal
00:28 < jeru> I've to leave now ... have to go to bed ... feel bad because I'm still having fu**ing influenza
00:29 < jsaw> cu jeru , recover!
00:29 < rxr> jsaw: gute besserung ;-)
00:29 < jeru> rxr: when you are back in berlin?
00:29 < jsaw> rxr: jeru, not jsaw...
00:29 < rxr> jeru: I still have no idea - latest is on the 2nd jan ...
00:29 < rxr> jsaw: yes - ...
00:29 < jeru> thank you ... merci ... danke schön ...
00:30 < jeru> bye bye
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00:31 < mnemoc> brb
00:33 < jsaw> After 22 designs, 320 man-years, a 50% staff of Ph.Ds, and $50 million, you end up with a design that works.'
00:33 < jsaw> tststs
00:34 < rxr> where is that from=?
00:35 < rxr> dyson vacum cleaner?
00:35 < jsaw> slashdot: Science: MicroDisplay Claims Progress Toward Elusive LCoS
00:35 < jsaw> http://science.slashdot.org/science/04/12/29/1930229.shtml
00:35 < rxr> jsaw: btw. you once updated nvidia package - have you a card handy to test
00:35 < jsaw> not any more
00:35 < rxr> good for you - bad for me ... :-(
00:36 < rxr> (crappy cars ....)
00:36 < rxr> cards ...
00:36 < jsaw> The respective PC is broken, so, no, it's not good for me... :(
00:37 < rxr> but not any component I hope ...
00:38 < jsaw> CPU, memory, board. One or more did the celcius death...
00:38 < jsaw> died...
00:39 < jsaw> Seems like my error count reported was too high.
00:46 < rxr> hm?
00:47 < jsaw> oh, remember that mnemoc reported about the missing crt1.o? Sometimes strange things happen if a package is rebuild in stage0-1.
00:47 < rxr> .oO
00:47 < jsaw> I removed stage 2 completely now and a few more packages built.
00:47 < rxr> found two bugs in my ld globbing code
00:52 < rxr> our ccache support is quite advanced now
00:52 < rxr> I think I rebuild the mozilla packages over the night to see if they are also better cached now ...
01:00 < jsaw> I have to leave. cu all!
01:00 < rxr> cu jsaw - and good night
01:00 < mnemoc> re
01:01 < jsaw> not yet... my wife's got problem breathing thru the nose and can't take anything due to pregnancy...
01:01 < jsaw> anyway, cu later probably.
01:01 < mnemoc> oh
01:01 < mnemoc> cu jsaw
01:09 < rxr> == 12/30/04 01:09:12 =[5]=> Finished building package inkscape.
01:09 < mnemoc> :)
01:13 < rxr> let's see if this fixes my 5-glibc as well
01:13 < rxr> I'll try to go to bed soon
01:13 < mnemoc> what do think about adding something like basicconfig*.in to packages to allow the to add stuff to non-expert config like ccache?
01:13 < rxr> to wake up before my farther comes back from work ...
01:14 < mnemoc> :)
01:14 < rxr> hm
01:14 < rxr> I think we get too many variants of configs - there are also the config-???.in's ...
01:14 < rxr> maybe we should use the number to encode if it is expert or not ...
01:14 < rxr> <500 is basic or so and > 500 is expert ...
01:15 < mnemoc> ok
01:15 < mnemoc> i'll see what i can do
01:16 < mnemoc> <500 and >=5000 where config.in is.. 750
01:16 < mnemoc> 500*
01:17 < rxr> hm - sound ok
01:19 < CIA-10> rene * r5315 /trunk/package/base/binutils/ld-glob.patch:
01:19 < CIA-10> * fixed a memory corruption, a memory leak and an unnecessary double
01:19 < CIA-10> zero string termination in the binutils/ld-glob.patch (fixes at least
01:19 < CIA-10> 5-inkscape for me - but most probably some other seg-faults)
01:19 < mnemoc> were you segfaulting bash3?
01:20 < rxr> me?
01:20 < rxr> no bash3 is segfaulting itself
01:20 < rxr> I have nothing to do with it ...
01:20 < mnemoc> :)
01:20 < rxr> I should produce a testcase and throw it into redhat bugzilla to let them fix bash ...
01:22 < mnemoc> you should sleep to wake up early :)
01:22 < rxr> yep soon
01:27 < rxr> huh?: http://www-124.ibm.com/developerworks/oss/linux/projects/omni/
01:27 < rxr> I have missed s.th.
01:31 < mnemoc> *click*
01:32 < mnemoc> lacks of 'screenshots'
01:32 < rxr> hey the code is written in C++ ;-)
01:33 < rxr> hey this are printing drivers ...
01:33 < rxr> printer even
01:34 < mnemoc> yep, but you can screenshot it's usage :)
01:35 < mnemoc> uhm OmniArchitecture0.2 is 5M and 0.3 150k
01:35 < rxr> as a backend of cups it will look like it looks now ...
01:35 < mnemoc> nice
01:36 < mnemoc> i didn't read it was that compatible
01:36 < mnemoc> brb
01:36 < rxr> this are just printer driver interfacing to ghostscript
01:36 < rxr> afai understand this
01:36 < mnemoc> :)
01:36 < rxr> and it seems cups and gnome have direct support for the lib
01:37 < rxr> I need to try it out soon ...
01:45 < rxr> "After starting this tool, it will go into daemon mode and starts to kill randomly random processes...
01:45 < rxr> This will give you real-windows-feeling!"
01:45 < rxr> http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=19198
01:51 < CIA-10> rene * r5316 /trunk/package/develop/subversion/ (subversion.desc svn_sm.patch svnperl-leak.patch):
01:51 < CIA-10> * updated subversion (1.1.1 -> 1.1.2) - removed non applying submaster
01:51 < CIA-10> patch ...
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02:01 * rxr in bed - cu
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02:34 < mnemoc> great, kernel panic after insmods loading stage2 (after trying to mount 'real-root' init is killed)
02:43 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.196.223.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
02:43 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta2 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.exactcode.de/t2
02:43 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Dec 28 14:55:44 2004]
02:43 [Users #t2]
02:43 [ _Ragnar_] [ daja77] [ jsaw ] [ nzg] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin]
02:43 [ CIA-10 ] [ ideal ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr] [ sparc-kly]
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02:52 < mnemoc> great, kernel panic after insmods loading stage2 (after trying to mount 'real-root' init is killed)
02:52 < mnemoc> rxr: there exist misc/*/noexpertconfig.in, i'll remove this on config-$level.in separation
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04:00 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5317 /trunk/scripts/Config: * fixed Config to be vim-syntax friendly
05:13 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5318 /trunk/package/graphic/imagemagick/imagemagick.desc:
05:13 < CIA-10> * updated imagemagick (6.1.3-7 -> 6.1.7-5)
05:13 < CIA-10> * fixed imagemagick [U] and added [CV-URL]
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08:52 < CIA-10> jsaw * r5319 /trunk/package/develop/libwbxml2/libwbxml2.desc: * update libwbxml2 (0.8.2 -> 0.9)
08:54 < CIA-10> jsaw * r5320 /trunk/package/develop/gwenhywfar/ (. gwenhywfar.desc):
08:54 < CIA-10> * add package gwenhywfar (1.3)
08:54 < CIA-10> A multi-purpose system abstraction library.
08:55 < CIA-10> jsaw * r5321 /trunk/package/office/aqbanking/ (. aqbanking.desc):
08:55 < CIA-10> * add package aqbanking (0.9.8)
08:55 < CIA-10> A generic interface to online banking.
08:56 < CIA-10> jsaw * r5322 /trunk/package/develop/gcl/gcl.conf: * no need to strip -O* while building gcl
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11:05 * N0V4K is away: Estoy ocupado
11:10 < rxr_> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 10.52% (289 hits, 2457 misses)
11:10 < rxr_> ^- mozilla rebuild
11:10 < rxr_> better but still not good ...
11:11 < rxr_> mon
11:11 < rxr_> moin
11:11 -!- You're now known as rxr
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11:21 < rxr> hi tschmidt_
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11:49 < rxr> hm - ok - icecream rebuld is completely cached:
11:49 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (102 hits, 0 misses)
12:54 < mnemoc> moin :)
12:57 < rxr> moin mnemoc
13:03 < mnemoc> i got out of space again :\
13:14 < mnemoc> i have a patch to move every config's temporal file to $cfgtmpdir=src/$config, ... only a problem on 'edit' left
13:16 < mnemoc> rxr: did you wake up on time? :)
13:17 < rxr> yeah - quite so
13:23 < CIA-10> rene * r5323 /trunk/package/develop/scons/ (. scons.cache scons.desc): * added scons (0.96.1)
13:25 < mipe> hmm. cross built, but that cant be right....
13:25 < mipe> oh and hi all
13:27 < mnemoc> hi mipe
13:27 < mnemoc> brb
13:44 -!- jeru [~jeru@pD95166B8.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
13:44 < jeru> hello
13:45 < rxr> hi jeru
13:45 < jeru> rxr: do you have experience with linking against zlib
13:45 < jeru> i have a problem with a package i want to commit
13:47 < jeru> it seems that it expects zlib in a different location
13:48 < jeru> it doesn't find the correct path although -lz is specified
13:48 < jeru> gcc -o static.cgi static.o -lz -L../libs/ -lneo_cgi -lneo_cs -lneo_utl
13:49 < jeru> is there a smart way for detecting zlib path within a configure script?
13:50 < jeru> another option that should work is to add an configure option e.g. '--with-zlib=path-to-zlib'
13:52 < rxr> hm
13:52 < rxr> sorry for the delay - was away
13:52 < jeru> ;-) no prob
13:53 < jeru> if i use:
13:53 < jeru> gcc -o static.cgi static.o -lz -L/lib -L../libs/ -lneo_cgi -lneo_cs -lneo_utl
13:53 < rxr> hm
13:53 < jeru> it works
13:53 < rxr> here -lz works just fine
13:54 < jeru> hmm?
13:54 < rxr> what is the error then you leave the -l/lib away?
13:54 < jeru> as I understand with "-lz" it shoud automagicaly detect the correct path
13:54 < rxr> well - where automatically is to look into /etc/ld.so.conf
13:55 < rxr> but yep - it should just work
13:55 < jeru> clearsilver-0.9.12/cgi/cgi.c:1007: undefined reference to `deflate'
13:55 < jeru> clearsilver-0.9.12/cgi/cgi.c:1009: undefined reference to `deflateEnd'
13:55 < rxr> and when you move the -lz to the end of the commandline?
13:55 < jeru> I will try
14:00 < rxr> scos does bypass our gcc wrapper quite elegantly ... :-(
14:06 < jeru> rxr: it works after I moved -lz to then end :) thank you
14:06 < jeru> now I have to modify the configure scripts
14:13 < mnemoc> re
14:18 < mnemoc> rxr: what needed gwenhywfar?
14:22 < rxr> mnemoc: what ?
14:22 < mnemoc> oh, sorry.... it was jsaw
14:23 < mnemoc> gwenhywfar <--- weird name
14:24 < mnemoc> aha, AqBanking
14:33 * rxr still confused
14:35 < mnemoc> two packages jsaw added last night
14:36 < mnemoc> dia fail because it thinks freetype 2.1.7<2.0.9
14:36 < rxr> yes - confirmed
14:52 < mipe> huoh,still dietlibc fails. tryed with cvs build
14:53 < jsaw> re
14:53 < jsaw> gnucash <- aqbanking <- gwenhywfar
14:53 < jsaw> dia is wip
14:54 < mnemoc> jsaw: wip on 0.94 or wip on 0.92.2?
14:54 < jsaw> 0.94
14:54 < mnemoc> re jsaw :)
14:54 < jsaw> hi mnemoc
14:54 < jsaw> rxr: ping
14:56 < jsaw> mipe: What is the problem with dietlibc?
14:57 < mipe> jsaw:doing cross compile for amd64 and i get i386/start.S:10: Error: suffix or operands invalid for errors
14:58 < mnemoc> mipe: the problem might be in that 'i386' there :)
14:58 < jsaw> wrong parameters passed to config... should be x86_64 or ia64....
14:58 < jsaw> mnemoc was faster...
14:58 < mipe> mnemoc:yeah but how to fix it. mcpu is setted propely, but ARCH=i386,thats the problem
14:58 < mipe> i guess
14:59 < jsaw> I guess you have chosen 64bit support but did not select a specific optimization...
14:59 < mnemoc> then the problem is on t2 config as rene said
14:59 < jsaw> go to ./scripts/Config and check one
14:59 < mipe> i mean the ARCH is setted on dietlibc makefile.
14:59 < mnemoc> aha
15:01 < jsaw> it's actuall dietlibc that does not understand that you can have 64bit support without being too specific on the CPU
15:02 < jsaw> damn. once again something that was lost somewhere in my brain...
15:03 * daja77 running google on jsaw
15:03 < mnemoc> :)
15:04 < rxr> pong
15:06 < jsaw> rxr: see query
15:06 < jsaw> hi daja77 . *good idea* :)
15:12 < mnemoc> any news of valentin from 21c3?
15:14 < jsaw> I just read the "18000 sites hacked" news...
15:14 < jsaw> ... and the upcoming legal problems...
15:14 < mnemoc> uhm?
15:15 < jsaw> obviously a guy found a database and published it... now a few admins are pissed...
15:16 < mnemoc> url?
15:18 < jsaw> it was in german only... maybe it shows up on /. later
15:18 < jsaw> seems like gnucash is installing its files...
15:19 < mnemoc> :D
15:19 < jsaw> AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
15:19 < jsaw> same error like dia, in the last step...
15:20 < mnemoc> export_png.o(.text+0x2b8): In function `export_png_ok':
15:20 < mnemoc> export_png.c: undefined reference to `png_create_write_struct'
15:20 < mnemoc> my dia is failing there
15:20 < jsaw> wrong window, forget it, gnucash is still building...
15:20 < daja77> linpng?
15:20 < daja77> libpng even
15:20 < jsaw> daja77: could you please install google and a some nice system cleanup worm in here?
15:21 < jsaw> in my brain ... even
15:21 < mnemoc> 1.2.8 is there, and configure was happy
15:21 < daja77> O_o
15:21 < daja77> perhaps running ldconfig once more
15:21 < daja77> <.- off
15:21 < jsaw> no, -lpng is missing.
15:22 < jsaw> But the Makefile is correct...
15:23 < mnemoc> uhm
15:25 < jsaw> or somehow the "PNG_LIBS" var is empty... I haven't found the error yet.
15:25 < mnemoc> # ./debug.sh
15:25 < mnemoc> ./debug.sh: line 3: 15886 Segmentation fault
15:25 < mnemoc> i _hate_ this
15:25 < jsaw> me too
15:26 < mnemoc> what about downgrading bash until 3.0.1?
15:26 < rxr> maybe i find this soon
15:27 < rxr> if rock 2.0 ships bash3 now (AFAIR) it should be affected, too
15:27 < mnemoc> good point, daja77? :)
15:30 < CIA-10> jsaw * r5324 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnucash/mixed-decl-fix.patch: * fix a "mixed declaration error" in gnucash
15:31 < mnemoc> jsaw: gnucash built??!
15:33 < jsaw> yes
15:34 < mnemoc> amazing :D
15:34 < jsaw> == 12/30/04 15:31:43 =[5]=> Finished building package gnucash.
15:35 < daja77> no we don't ship bash3 in any branch
15:35 < mnemoc> professor george frankenstein
15:35 < mnemoc> oh
15:35 < jsaw> ?
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15:36 < madtux> hi
15:36 < mnemoc> i gave life to a dead monster :)
15:36 < madtux> 0_o
15:36 < madtux> ??!
15:36 < mnemoc> s/i/you/
15:36 < mnemoc> you=jsaw
15:36 < madtux> ... ?!
15:37 < mnemoc> forget it
15:37 < madtux> NO. tell me :)
15:38 < mnemoc> == 12/30/04 15:31:43 =[5]=> Finished building package gnucash.
15:38 < madtux> oh :)
15:38 < madtux> see that wasn't o hard
15:38 < madtux> so*
15:43 < jsaw> I built before rxr updated it...
15:43 < madtux> mm..
15:43 < madtux> rebuild with new version?
15:43 < madtux> :)
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15:43 < jsaw> yep, 1.8.9 -> 1.8.10
15:44 < jsaw> 1350 builds total, 1289 completed fine, 61 with errors.
15:44 < madtux> oh btw... on my testing this week here are some results:
15:45 < madtux> router target, bootdisk, minimal, and minimal+xorg built flawless..
15:45 < mnemoc> 1351 builds total, 905 completed fine, 21 with errors.
15:45 < madtux> all of them optimized for: 386, pmmx and p3
15:45 < mnemoc> madtux: i got kernel panic installing mini-xfce
15:45 < jsaw> madtux: oh
15:45 < madtux> mnemoc: i'm not done downloading it..
15:45 * mnemoc kicks madtux
15:46 < jsaw> I have to leave. cu later!
15:46 < madtux> mnemoc: maybe u can boot from the install cds and chroot on it and make a new kernel image?
15:46 < madtux> cya jsaw
15:46 < madtux> tonight i will be able to see hwo stuff on my ultra 5
15:46 < mnemoc> madtux: bootdisk segfaulted before installing anything
15:46 < mnemoc> nice
15:47 < mnemoc> s/segfauletd/paniced/
15:48 < madtux> mnemoc: mmm...
15:52 < madtux> mnemoc: interesting.
15:52 < madtux> then i guess this iso is not worth to finish downloading it
15:53 < mnemoc> i don't think so
15:54 * madtux slaps mnemoc
15:54 < mnemoc> bootdisk has never worked fine to me
15:54 < madtux> as in it always brakes?
15:55 < madtux> perhaps its your optimization?
15:55 < mnemoc> no, it seem to be my hardware and libc
16:00 < madtux> hardware on which box?
16:00 < madtux> and if its ur libc why can't u just update ur system?
16:04 < mnemoc> dietlibc has never been friendly to my home machine
16:04 < mnemoc> that's why i wanted you to test it too
16:04 < madtux> ok i will test it.
16:05 < madtux> did u try to boot on the laptop
16:05 < madtux> just to see if kernel panics too
16:05 < mnemoc> i wanted to do it today but i left the disk at home :\
16:08 < madtux> can't u take the laptop with u ?
16:08 < madtux> ah i guess u can go home at lunch time and bring the cd with you.
16:08 < mnemoc> yep
16:12 < mnemoc> damn... i can't find the bug on my patch to Config (temportal config files at src/$config instead of . and config/$config/)
16:12 < mnemoc> it doesn't keep what i edit
16:12 < madtux> urrgs
16:13 < mnemoc> e.g. pkgsel
16:13 < madtux> mmm... i'm feeling weird with my life atm..
16:13 < madtux> Coding at night.. watching dvd's after coding... building and updating during the day..
16:13 < mnemoc> sleeping?
16:14 < madtux> its fun.. but weird
16:14 < madtux> mnemoc: sometimes yes
16:14 < madtux> nah yeah i sleep good
16:14 < madtux> at lest 6 hours a day
16:14 < madtux> least*
16:15 < mnemoc> 6 hours continue?
16:15 < madtux> sure...
16:15 < madtux> but normaly 7 to 8 hours.
16:16 < madtux> +the time it takes me to get to the office
16:16 < madtux> which can go from 30 - 50 minutes depending on the traffi
16:16 < madtux> c
16:16 < mnemoc> that's great
16:16 < madtux> each way.
16:16 < mnemoc> even if i try i can't sleep more than 4 hours
16:17 < madtux> i could sleep for 3 days if work allowed it.
16:17 < mnemoc> :D
16:17 < madtux> seriously.. i've done it before.
16:35 < madtux> we never continued tha talk about cache files yesterday :(
16:35 < mnemoc> damn, i'm a morron!
16:35 < mnemoc> :D
16:36 < mnemoc> madtux: send an RFC to /dev/null .... i mean t2ml
16:36 < madtux> I've been thinking that we should have additional to the naming feature, the option to choose which kernel is default, and the person actually wants to have both 2.4 and 2.6 respectively, or just wants ONE of the kernels
16:37 < madtux> also do you think we will reach a point of flexible someday where the user can choose the pkg manager for the distro he/she/it is building? ie. mine, dpkg, rpm ..
16:38 < madtux> just silly crazy ideas that come to my mind
16:39 < mnemoc> afaik we will fall back to tbz2
16:40 < mnemoc> with a library extending libtar to add the performance of extracting metadata
16:41 < madtux> well the flexible pkg manager selection is just a foolish thing that came to my mind today somewhere between my bed and the shower
16:41 < madtux> maybe in the future.. i don't know i don't care about that atm
16:41 < mnemoc> having a tgz you can convert it to almost any format
16:42 < madtux> i do care about the kernel selection options
16:44 < mnemoc> pkgsel -linux24? :)
16:45 < madtux> as i said before.. either choose the default kernel and have both.. or select only one
16:45 < madtux> this shouldn't be so hard to do i guess
16:46 < mnemoc> i was done before... that /feature/ was removed on the firsts days of t2
16:46 < mnemoc> it*
16:46 < madtux> mnemoc: no keep in mind that if we pkgsel -linux24 we will also probbly want to do pksel -modutils..
16:46 < madtux> why?
16:47 < mnemoc> i don't remember if is was considerd harmfull or useless
16:47 < mnemoc> great, src/$config/ patch working 100% :D
16:49 < mnemoc> jsaw: here'
16:49 < mnemoc> jsaw: here?
16:49 < daja77> hm choosing both or one kernel, did that for my builds
16:51 < madtux> hello danny boy... glad to see you
16:51 < jsaw> (more or less)
16:52 < madtux> daja77: have u heard anything from the event people? the sooner i can know if they approved my workshop or not, the better
16:52 < jsaw> mnemoc: ?
16:52 < mnemoc> jsaw: i'll do a commit of a tested patch for Config, it would be great if your can give it a look
16:53 * mnemoc re^n-checking diffs....
16:53 < madtux> .oO( yeah Mike, you can look from behind...)
16:53 < jsaw> mnemoc: what's it doin?
16:53 < daja77> madtux: deadline is on jan 1st, so no decision will be made until then but i will issue that question again before that
16:53 < mnemoc> madtux: of course
16:54 < madtux> daja77: very well.
16:54 < mnemoc> jsaw: it does all temporal stuff on $cfgtmpdir=src/$config/
16:54 < madtux> mnemoc: that hurt.. :(
16:54 < jsaw> mnemoc: oh, *great*
16:56 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5325 /trunk/scripts/ (Config config.func config.in): * improved Config to do all it's temporal work on $cfgtmpdir=src/$config/
16:56 < mnemoc> that
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17:10 < mnemoc> madtux: router use to be "ROCK Router Linux" on help, what should i use now?
17:11 < madtux> see target/router/router.txt
17:11 < mnemoc> T2 Router
17:12 < madtux> :)
17:28 < jsaw> mnemoc: works
17:29 < mnemoc> :D
17:29 < mnemoc> comments?
17:30 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5326 /trunk/scripts/ (8 files): * fixed scripts which referenced ROCK Linux stuff
17:32 < jsaw> mnemoc: my comment ... eh... eh...
17:32 < jsaw> mnemoc: It was long overdue...
17:33 < mnemoc> :D
17:34 < mnemoc> as my build is 300 packages behind yours i have to do something :)
17:34 < jsaw> (I messed up my config some time ago when I built and configure multiple configs in parallel)
17:34 < jsaw> shouldn't happen anymore.. :)
17:34 < mnemoc> i hope so :)
17:36 < mnemoc> my next change to Config will be config-$n.in n<500 means no expert
17:36 < mnemoc> config{,-$n}.in n>=500 means expert
17:36 < mnemoc> config.in --> 750
17:36 < mnemoc> with cache
17:36 < jsaw> go for it.
17:37 < mnemoc> thanks for your support
17:40 < jsaw> I have to leave... Marlene's got chicken pox...
17:40 < jsaw> cu later.
17:43 < mnemoc> chicken pox??
17:44 < mnemoc> oops... varicella
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18:36 < rxr> re
18:38 * rxr just departed a Apple iMac 500Mhz
18:38 < rxr> just bought a defect one for 20EUR ...
18:38 < rxr> (from e neighbor)
18:38 < valentin> hi
18:39 < rxr> damn complex thing
18:39 < valentin> we have a 485 mhz gekko g3 now
18:39 < rxr> the power suply is spread over the wohle beast ...
18:39 < rxr> who is we?
18:39 < rxr> you?
18:40 < valentin> i bought K a gamecube
18:40 < valentin> and now i wonder if i am allowed to exchange the ipl :)
18:43 < valentin> this thing has 24mb of 10ns 1T-SRAM
18:44 < valentin> and they say mplayer can play high quality divX videos in linux
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19:35 < rxr> then you should note hace given it away ..
19:36 < mnemoc> re
20:01 * N0V4K is away: Estoy ocupado
20:09 * madtux returns
20:11 < mnemoc> hi madmax
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20:13 < madtux> hello _always_online_mnemoc_
20:25 < mnemoc> not always online, my link blinks daily
20:37 < rxr> hi madtux
20:39 < madtux> interesting stuff... i'm getting errors on bootdisks - stage3 screaming that mine is not installed.. and yes it was built on stage 1..
20:39 < madtux> i will svn up and do this stuff on a clean trunk
20:40 < madtux> and hi rxr :)
20:40 < madtux> mnemoc: madmax?!? wtf
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21:14 < madtux> hello jonhbruce
21:17 < mnemoc> madtux: haven't you seen those movies?
21:17 < jonhbruce> hello, madtux. have attempted to run t2 scripts do not get far. broken alias suggested, but seems fine. Anu suggestions?
21:17 < mnemoc> jonhbruce: alias?
21:18 < madtux> mnemoc: what movies?
21:18 < madtux> broken alias..
21:18 < madtux> jonhbruce: are u runing the scripts outside or inside the scripts directory ?
21:18 < madtux> :)
21:19 < jonhbruce> outside, getting ls -t is not working check aliases.
21:19 < mnemoc> madtux: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082694
21:19 < madtux> jonhbruce: mmm.... and u get that when u excute what script?
21:20 < mnemoc> jonhbruce: T2's scripts are designed to be run from tree-root by root user only
21:20 < madtux> jonhbruce: to be honest i had never seen the error.. then again let have fun
21:20 < jonhbruce> ./scripts/Build-Target
21:20 < mnemoc> yes
21:21 < madtux> jonhbruce: and u didn't get that when u used Config or Download right?
21:21 < mnemoc> jonhbruce: unalias ls
21:21 < jonhbruce> no. Thanks will try running as root.
21:22 < madtux> jonhbruce: to run Build-Target you MUST be root :)
21:22 < jonhbruce> Thanks chaps, will report bacvk.
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21:23 < madtux> i like this kind of people..
21:23 < madtux> They don't have time for bullshit.. and neither do i
21:24 < madtux> :)
21:24 < mnemoc> :)
21:24 < mnemoc> jonhbruce: T2's scripts are designed to be run from tree-root by root user only <--- that's why i started telling this
21:26 < madtux> :)
21:26 < madtux> and yeah i've seen the movie..
21:26 < madtux> interesting it was made on the year i was born
21:31 < mnemoc> :)
21:32 * rxr back to the imac some more power supply hacking ...
22:22 < mnemoc> uhm?
22:25 < rxr> I invested into a defect 500Mhz iMac today ..
22:27 < jsaw> re
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22:27 < jsaw> hi jonhbruce , does it work?
22:27 < mnemoc> i have not enought disc space to do a generic build .... i have nothing else to delete
22:28 < jsaw> :(
22:28 < mnemoc> i'll go back to my small builds and play with Config :)
22:29 < jonhbruce> sadly no, seems there is a problem with fates/times on files. newly created being older than distributed.
22:30 < jonhbruce> have checked system time (and battery) unaliased ls and moved time on by 1 month. to no avail.
22:30 < jsaw> oh
22:31 < jsaw> jonhbruce: what system are currently on (OS/CPU)?
22:31 < jsaw> +dist?
22:32 < jonhbruce> have newly installed FC3 running on athlon-xp
22:33 < jsaw> at what point does this error show up?
22:36 < jonhbruce> during initial checks
22:36 < jsaw> can u post the error?
22:47 * rxr back to the lab ...
22:48 < jsaw> hehe
22:55 < rxr> hm
22:55 < rxr> the power supply chaos confues me ..
22:55 < rxr> damn iMac integration
22:56 < mnemoc> is it a lamp?
22:56 < mnemoc> or the big egg?
22:57 < rxr> the big egg
22:57 < rxr> CRT %00Mhz
22:57 < rxr> 500 even ..
22:57 < mnemoc> slow egg :)
22:57 < rxr> if anyone knows the "imac down converter board's input voltage"
22:57 < rxr> I would be happy
22:58 < rxr> 500 or 0 ?
22:58 < mnemoc> 500
22:58 < mnemoc> rxr: there is 'on line user guide'?
22:58 < rxr> well - 500Mhz is fast enought
22:59 < mnemoc> not for building :)
22:59 < rxr> there are colorful dau user guides
22:59 < rxr> no real techincal detail specs
22:59 < mnemoc> :\
22:59 < rxr> even the service manual deeply hidden on private sites - does not list such details
22:59 < mnemoc> 800-fancymac
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23:14 < rxr> too bad the apple service manuals are a bit joky ...
23:15 < rxr> defect headphone jack -> replace (the w
23:15 < rxr> hole) logic board
23:16 < rxr> woe ... - good that this is cost insensitive
23:18 < rxr> hehe - it includes recycle information ...
23:19 < mnemoc> :)
23:19 < rxr> me relocating the iBook and taking a final look into the iMac until I'm into bed ...
23:20 < jonhbruce> " ***glibc detected***free(): invalid pointer : 0xf6fef698 " appears in the Building base/... output before the scipt dies.
23:21 < mnemoc> jonhbruce: can you add -x on the first line and run the script again ?
23:21 < mnemoc> is it Build-Target right?
23:27 < jonhbruce> yes Build-Target, only additional info is " make :*** [ configure-bfd] error 1
23:28 < mnemoc> configure-bfd??
23:29 < jonhbruce> trying to run it again
23:30 < mnemoc> rxr: isn't that part of binutils?
23:31 < jsaw> I think gcc has it also.
23:37 < jsaw> what's the fastest way to check if a number is of type 2^n?
23:38 < daja77> should only have 1 bit set to one
23:38 < jsaw> yep, and how to check this?
23:38 < jsaw> I mean fast - not just looping through the bits...
23:38 < mnemoc> shitfing?
23:39 < mnemoc> :)
23:50 < jsaw> /scratch/src/t2/scripts/Build-Pkg: line 1: /bin/cat: Argument list too long
23:50 < jsaw> *g*
23:52 < mnemoc> :\
23:52 < mnemoc> bash -x :)
23:52 < jsaw> done < <( cat $root/var/adm/flists/* | sed "s,^$xpkg:,.," | \
23:52 < rxr> jsaw: you are in electronics, too
23:53 < jsaw> rxr: a bit
23:53 < rxr> when you have some intergrated computer device (this iMac)
23:53 < rxr> you have no detailed specs and it is dead
23:53 < rxr> it consists of this parts:
23:53 < rxr> analoge/video board (including some power siwthcin supply
23:54 < rxr> some main logic board - which routes some wires from the analoge / video board
23:54 < rxr> and a "downconverter board" which is only connected to the logic board
23:55 < rxr> I would expect the downconverted board (which is labeled as such) to convert some higher AC voltage to the normal 3.3 5 and 12 V levels
23:55 < rxr> from some bare info from the net and printons I know it has the 3.3. 5 and 12 V output pins to the log board
23:56 < rxr> (the voltages are there but too low (e.g. 2.x 4.2 and 11.x V which are not even enough to power up an HD
23:56 < rxr> )
23:56 < rxr> this ominous downconverter board as 2 input pins on the PCB they are even labelled as AC- and AV+
23:57 < rxr> AC+ even
23:57 < rxr> but when the device is "poweredup" they only contain 0.7V AC
23:57 < rxr> this is really strange ....
23:57 < rxr> especially as the output col
23:57 < jsaw> where do the AC connections come from?
23:57 < rxr> voltages are at least in the range ...
23:58 < rxr> I can not trace them accurate since I have not departed the two main pcb's
23:58 < rxr> there is soo much stuff connected like the CRT cube and such
23:58 < jsaw> do you have an oscilloscope
23:58 < jsaw> ?
23:58 < rxr> well - my parents just relocated my osc. to berlin the last time they visited ... .-(
23:59 < rxr> to me in berlin ...
23:59 < jsaw> my guess is, the AC comes from the switching coil. So a normal voltmeter won't show any useful information...
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