T2 IRC Log: 2005-01-05

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--- Log opened Wed Jan 05 00:00:40 2005
--- Day changed Wed Jan 05 2005
00:00 < mnemoc> do you 'know' python?
00:00 < rxr> not good ..
00:01 < mnemoc> is python-xml a real thing?
00:01 < rxr> I do not like the language - that hinders me to get deeper into it ...
00:01 < rxr> no idea ...
00:01 < mnemoc> i'm alergic to python's syntax.... but this (GNUe) thing is coded on it
00:02 < rxr> ah - you mean using only the web code for your side?
00:02 < rxr> I still do not understand your gnue idea ..
00:02 < jsaw> okay, last try to get Chet to do something. Next step is full-disclosure.
00:02 < rxr> site even
00:03 < jsaw> oh, my gnucash patch got applied
00:03 < rxr> mnemoc: the 7d avg is nearly not noticeable in the diagram
00:03 < rxr> should I outsource it into a 3rd diagram ?
00:04 < mnemoc> it's a multi-{ui,dbms} framework
00:04 < jsaw> bbl
00:04 < mnemoc> cu jsaw
00:05 < mnemoc> rxr: i was thinking in a curve
00:05 < rxr> mnemoc:
00:06 < rxr> mnemoc: it is late - please writer longer sentences to me - I do not understand you - sorry - /me too overworked or so ..
00:06 < rxr> your idea was to have it in one diagram ?
00:06 < rxr> I did it - it is not a pleasure to look at - too much noise and interferense ...
00:07 < mnemoc> yes?
00:07 < rxr> yes
00:08 < mnemoc> :(
00:08 < rxr> I exhanged some line styling now - maybe it improves it ...
00:08 < mnemoc> can i see?
00:09 < rxr> mom - soon
00:14 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/big.png
00:15 < rxr> and this is already the fiths or so try that is at least a bit readable ...
00:15 < mnemoc> "last 7 days average curve"?
00:15 < mnemoc> to get a curve i mean
00:15 < mnemoc> and the color sucks
00:15 < rxr> you mean a link to get to the image ?
00:16 < rxr> it is the dark blue and light purple I always used ...
00:16 < mnemoc> dotted :p
00:17 < mnemoc> i meaned, over the graph with daily picks a curve with avg(x[y-6],x[y-5],x[y-4],x[y-3],x[y-2],x[y-1],x[y])
00:17 < mnemoc> to flatten it
00:17 < mnemoc> it="the picks"
00:18 < rxr> do you mean in the graph as it is now - or over it - in a seperate graph?
00:18 < rxr> updated picture
00:19 < mnemoc> i can't even see rock now
00:19 < rxr> because of the new gray ?
00:19 < mnemoc> on the same graph a flattened curve
00:19 < mnemoc> yes
00:20 < mnemoc> green?
00:20 < rxr> I just took darker gray
00:20 < rxr> updaated
00:20 < mnemoc> ok, same colors
00:20 < mnemoc> but a flattened curve, not more picks
00:22 < rxr> you mean you do not liek the bspline?
00:22 < rxr> I can try a real average ...
00:23 < mnemoc> i'll move home now, back in 20 minutes
00:23 < rxr> cu
00:26 < rxr> updarted
00:26 < rxr> updated even
00:58 < mnemoc> re
01:07 < rxr> hi
01:08 < mnemoc> hi
01:12 < mnemoc> i like current color, but.... is it to hard to flat the average?
01:14 < mnemoc> i'm hating this python things
01:59 < mnemoc> rxr: still here?
02:00 < mnemoc> eGenix.com Software GmbH, Langenfeld <-- is GmbH part of the name of the company?
02:07 < jsaw> mnemoc: more or less, GmBH = PSA (iirc)
02:08 < mnemoc> ic, thanks :)
02:08 < jsaw> resp Limited in en
02:09 < jsaw> oh no, PSA is stocks or? That would be "AG" in de
02:09 < mnemoc> Ltd. exists :)
02:12 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5417 /trunk/package/python/py-mx/ (. py-mx.desc): * added py-mx (2.0.6)
02:12 < rxr> mnemoc: this is already a 7 value avg. ...
02:12 < jsaw> oh
02:15 < jsaw> rxr, mnemoc: comments for non-distributable binary packages... ;)
02:15 < rxr> jsaw: I only scrolled over it so far
02:15 * rxr needs sleep
02:15 < jsaw> that was just a reminder to reply (sooner or later) ;)
02:15 < rxr> jsaw: please remind me to really ready every char in the proposal after my sleep cycle
02:16 < jsaw> hehe
02:16 < jsaw> kill -SIGSLEEP rxr
02:17 < rxr> oh - cool - ploticus has a reverseorder for the legend
02:17 < rxr> I think I quickly hack it a bit to improve the t2 vs. rock chart before I fall into the bed
02:17 < jsaw> kill -SIGSLEEP rxr
02:17 < rxr> or - hey - I take the book with me - so i can fall asleep over it ...
02:18 < jsaw> kill -SIGSLEEP rxr
02:18 < jsaw> kill -SIGSLEEP rxr
02:18 < jsaw> kill -SIGSLEEP rxr
02:18 < jsaw> seems not to work :(
02:18 < jsaw> oh, I see, typo:
02:18 < jsaw> kill -SLEEP rxr
02:19 < rxr> *lol*
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02:19 < rxr> hi ideal
02:19 < jsaw> hi ideal
02:20 < jsaw> does anybody know a good translation for "receptor trafficking"? No? :(
02:20 < rxr> re what ? ;-)
02:20 < jsaw> hehe
02:21 < jsaw> daja77: ping
02:21 < jsaw> or maybe rxr remembers the address of the translation service at daja77 uni?
02:22 < rxr> sure
02:22 < rxr> http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/
02:22 < jsaw> btw, that's a funny read: http://theochem.weizmann.ac.il/~comartin/schoenfeld.html
02:22 < jsaw> thanks, *click*
02:25 < mnemoc> jsaw: i read py-mx is redistributable
02:26 < jsaw> mnemoc: do you have the same problem that you can type faster than read - like me
02:26 < jsaw> ?
02:26 < mnemoc> yes, why?
02:27 < jsaw> just because I realized I'm not the only one - quite relaxing...
02:27 < mnemoc> D:
02:27 < jsaw> :D
02:27 < mnemoc> :D
02:27 < jsaw> *lol*
02:28 < mnemoc> fingers are even managed by different threads
02:28 < rxr> ;-)
02:28 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/
02:28 < rxr> I hacked the big graph to be drawn in reverse order
02:28 < rxr> so the rock graphs do not overwrite the t2 ones ...
02:29 < jsaw> It's even more funny if you have an ancient writing aid between your fingers while typing... (I mean a pencil)
02:29 < rxr> so - I'm in bed then
02:29 < jsaw> cu rxr
02:29 < mnemoc> rxr: maybe 2 weeks average can make it softer
02:29 < mnemoc> cu rxr
02:31 < CIA-9> mnemoc * r5418 /trunk/package/python/pysqlite/pysqlite.desc: * fixed pysqlite [I]
02:31 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/big.png
02:31 < jsaw> rxr should also be able to program a nice data smoothing filter ... (maybe his uni accepts it as an exercise)
02:31 < rxr> ^- 14d
02:32 < rxr> are you kidding - that is of course no exercise for me ...
02:32 < jsaw> I said: "maybe your *uni*"
02:32 < rxr> no - that is to advanced ...
02:32 < jsaw> not you ;)
02:32 < jsaw> *shrug*
02:33 < rxr> is 14d better
02:33 < rxr> I could just commit it if you like it more ...
02:34 < mnemoc> yes
02:35 < mnemoc> does R plot graphics like that?
02:35 < rxr> R?
02:35 < rxr> heared of that one ...
02:35 < rxr> once
02:36 < rxr> was that some statistic tool ?
02:37 < rxr> comitted
02:37 < mnemoc> yes
02:37 < rxr> no idea - never used it ..
02:37 < mnemoc> http://www.r-project.org/
02:39 < rxr> why don't we ship a package ... ?
02:39 < mnemoc> i'm having fun with uclibc and gnue.... i can enqueue it but...
02:46 < rxr> ok - have fun first
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02:50 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta2 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.exactcode.de/t2
02:50 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Dec 28 14:55:44 2004]
02:50 [Users #t2]
02:50 [ _Ragnar_] [ ideal] [ mnemoc] [ nzg ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
02:50 [ daja77 ] [ jsaw ] [ mtr_ ] [ praenti] [ tschmidt__]
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02:50 < rxr> rehi
02:51 < mnemoc> wb rene! :)
02:53 < rxr> n8 all
02:53 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
02:55 < jsaw> gn8 rxr
03:00 < ideal> hi, rxr, jsaw:-)
03:00 * mnemoc feels ignored
03:02 < jsaw> hi mnemoc :)
03:02 < jsaw> hi ideal
03:02 < jsaw> a bit idealistic today?
03:03 < mnemoc> :)
03:06 < ideal> so so:-)
03:08 < jsaw> :)
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03:15 < mnemoc> wb CIA-10
03:17 < CIA-10> rene * r5421 /trunk/misc/archive/Find.sh:
03:17 < CIA-10> * added a proof-of-concept^Wbrain-dead Find utility to search for
03:17 < CIA-10> packages
03:17 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5420 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-appserver/ (. gnue-appserver.conf gnue-appserver.desc): * added gnue-appserver (0.3.4)
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06:45 < CIA-10> jsaw * r5422 /trunk/package/ (text2speach/ text2speech/): * fix repo name text2speach -> speech
06:47 < CIA-10> jsaw * r5423 /trunk/package/x11/wxwidgets/ (libs-fix.patch wxwidgets.conf wxwidgets.desc): * update wxwidgets (2.4.2.4 -> 2.5.3.1)
06:48 < CIA-10> jsaw * r5424 /trunk/package/python/wxpython/ (wxpython.conf wxpython.desc): * accordingly update wxpython (2.4.2.4 -> 2.5.3.1)
07:26 < CIA-10> jsaw * r5425 /trunk/package/network/centericq/centericq.desc: * update centericq (4.12.0 -> 4.13.0)
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09:41 < freddy> hi
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10:06 < lars___> hi
10:06 < lars___> is valentin or rene there?
10:09 < lars___> I have a question concerning c++ to you
10:10 < mtr_> hi lars___
10:11 < mtr_> you should check back later this afternoon
10:11 < lars___> yes, I guess it is to early in the morning ;-)
10:12 < mtr_> :)
10:12 < lars___> you are a c++ expert, too? or should I better wait for rene?
10:12 < mtr_> sorry, cannot help you with c++
10:13 < lars___> ok, I return later and will continue working on something else.
10:13 < lars___> by
10:13 < mtr_> bye
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10:14 < lars___> oops, I meant: bye
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10:14 < mtr_> hi freddy
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10:24 < freddy> hi
10:24 < mtr> hi
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11:53 < rxr> moin
12:25 < rxr> we get many t2 hits due to people searching for kaxtv ... ;-)
12:27 < rxr> ok - if klear does work a bit I package it today ...
12:28 < rxr> http://www.klear.org/
13:36 < mnemoc> moin
13:55 < mnemoc> rxr: can i update python to 2.4?
14:25 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5426 /trunk/package/ruby/ruby/ruby.desc: * updated ruby (1.8.1 -> 1.8.2)
14:26 < daja77> hm it only breaks kdebindings afaik
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14:34 < rxr> mnemoc: if you test it that it does not break too much ..
14:37 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5427 /trunk/package/python/python/ (dont-force-rebuild-all.patch python-setup.patch python.desc): * updated python (2.3.4 -> 2.4)
14:38 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5428 /trunk/package/ (4 files in 4 dirs): * adapted rpm koffice kdebindings and psycopg to python 2.4
14:39 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5429 /trunk/package/develop/paragui/python23.patch: * adapted paragui to detect python2.4
14:40 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5430 /trunk/package/develop/paragui/ (python23.patch python24.patch): * renamed paragui's python patch
14:43 < mnemoc> rxr: tests in progress
15:03 < rxr> mnemoc: I'll add some ebedded stuff like avt c compiler and clibrary as well as a seriell parallel programmer - what repository should I use?
15:03 < rxr> a new embedded one?
15:03 < rxr> or throw it into devel ???
15:04 < mnemoc> uhm
15:04 < mnemoc> i think devel, at least for now
15:15 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5431 /trunk/package/python/wxpython/ (wxpython.conf wxpython.desc):
15:15 < CIA-10> * improved wxpython removing custmain and using gtk2 if available
15:15 < CIA-10> * taken maintainship of wxpython
15:16 < rxr> ok
15:20 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5432 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-appserver/ (gnue-appserver.conf gnue-appserver.desc): * updated gnue-appserver (0.3.4 -> 0.3.5)
15:22 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5433 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-common/ (gnue-common.conf gnue-common.desc gnue.in): * fixed gnue-common to build before the others and gnue.in removed
15:22 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5434 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-forms/ (. gnue-forms.desc): * added gnue-forms (0.5.9)
15:26 < CIA-10> rene * r5435 /trunk/package/develop/avrdude/ (. avrdude.cache avrdude.desc): * added avrdude (4.3.0)
15:28 < mnemoc> rxr: what are you doing with embedded?
15:37 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5436 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-designer/ (. gnue-designer.desc): * added gnue-designer (0.5.5)
15:43 < rxr> exmple stuff for the uni ...
15:45 < mnemoc> you seem happier with your university now
15:50 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5437 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-reports/ (. gnue-reports.desc): * added gnue-reports (0.1.7)
16:03 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5438 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-navigator/ (. gnue-navigator.desc): * added gnue-navigator (0.0.8)
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16:52 * rxr lunch - cu
16:52 < mnemoc> cu rxr
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18:04 < rxr> re
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18:06 < mnemoc> re rxr
18:26 < mnemoc> rxr: you removed floppy stuff from bootdisk?
18:26 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you plan (detail) to implement to replace it?
18:28 < rxr> to load it from within a tiny C or your ash script to load the into some tmpfs whatever ...
18:29 < mnemoc> when will you have time to see this? i'll have to go for it _now_ because i need to install a machine the only cdrom i have available to plug it doesn't boot my cdrw
18:31 < mnemoc> .oO( maybe this now turns into a 'after lunch' but it is soon enough )o
18:31 < mnemoc> isolinux?
18:33 < rxr> isolinux what?
18:33 < rxr> isolinux can not load multiple discs ...
18:34 < mnemoc> :\
18:34 < mnemoc> what loader?
18:35 < mnemoc> grub=
18:35 < mnemoc> ?
18:41 * mnemoc reading syslinux doc :p
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19:23 < mnemoc> ...}
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19:40 < mnemoc> rxr: what loader is multiarch?
19:43 < rxr> multi arch?
19:43 < rxr> grub2
19:43 < rxr> u-boot
19:43 < rxr> that's it I think
19:43 < rxr> when you takl in
19:43 < rxr> talk in terms of multple CPU archiecture support ...
19:43 < mnemoc> yes
19:44 < rxr> I do not konw others - just these two
19:44 < rxr> and grub2 is in experimental development state
19:44 < mnemoc> u-boot then?
19:45 < rxr> never looked deep into it ..
19:45 < rxr> but why do you want s.th. multi arch
19:45 < rxr> ?
19:46 < mnemoc> for $bootdisk2, or ou prefer to keep that as is?
20:02 < rxr> nope - improvements are always welcome
20:02 < rxr> but not idea if uboot is fitting into the big picture ...
20:03 < rxr> review it and - well - decide
20:03 < rxr> but I think it will not handle all cd boot and multi platform cases
20:03 < rxr> so we will at least have some more non x86 non powerpc loaders ...
20:03 < rxr> and the different loaders are not such a big problem - in my view
20:04 < rxr> just the code thereafter can get a deep rewrite ...
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20:14 < CIA-10> rene * r5439 /trunk/package/develop/ (8 files in 2 dirs):
20:14 < CIA-10> * fixed avrdude to install the documentation in a normal unversioned
20:14 < CIA-10> directory (and a tiny .desc file whitespace typo)
20:14 < CIA-10> * added uisp (20040311) and also fixed it's docdir usage
20:14 < CIA-10> * injected valid cache files
20:19 < CIA-10> rene * r5440 /trunk/package/ (gnome14/gnotepad+/ gnome2/gnome-debug/ gnome2/gnotepad+/):
20:19 < CIA-10> * removed gnome2/gnome-debug it is gnome-1.4 and was already marked O
20:19 < CIA-10> most probably because it did not built
20:19 < CIA-10> * moved gnome2/gnotepad+ into gnome14 (we might to remove it, too)
20:20 < CIA-10> rene * r5441 /trunk/package/ (gnome14/gnucash/ gnome2/gnucash/): * moved gnome2/gnucash into gnome14 accordingly
20:20 < mnemoc> re
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20:21 < mnemoc> i'll try to make it minimalistic but very extendable
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20:36 < rxr> rehi mnemoc_
20:38 < mnemoc_> rehi rxr
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20:53 < mnemoc_> damn heimdal, it shares with everything :\
20:54 < mnemoc_> rxr: what do you think if i set heimdal prefix to opt/krb5? or even opt/heimdal?
20:54 < mnemoc_> uhm
20:54 < mnemoc_> nope
20:55 < mnemoc_> uhm... .oO
20:58 < mnemoc_> rxr: /usr/heimdal ?
20:59 < rxr> rehi
20:59 < mnemoc_> wb rxr
20:59 < rxr> what - hm?
21:00 < rxr> you talk in questions ...
21:00 < mnemoc_> wonders :)
21:00 < rxr> me soon slightly in the background
21:01 < mnemoc_> i built heimdal but it shares with shadow, util-linux, extfs, etc etc etc
21:01 < rxr> no - idea - never looked into it ..
21:01 < rxr> I'm sure you find a way to make it fit in ...
21:01 < mnemoc_> my question is about prefix
21:01 < rxr> or should I review it, too?
21:01 < mnemoc_> do you agree /usr/heimdal ?
21:01 < mnemoc_> as prefix?
21:01 < rxr> no - that looks ugly ...
21:01 < rxr> there should not be such top level dirs in /usr ...
21:02 < rxr> then opt/??? ...
21:02 < mnemoc_> if i build a system with kerberos, kerberos would not be optional
21:02 < mnemoc_> and afaik /opt means optional
21:03 < CIA-10> rene * r5442 /trunk/package/multimedia/klear/ (. klear.cache klear.conf klear.desc): * added klear (0.1-alpha2)
21:03 < mnemoc_> ok opt
21:03 < rxr> me a bit away ...
21:03 < rxr> cu
21:03 < mnemoc_> cu
22:02 < CIA-10> mnemoc * r5443 /trunk/package/security/heimdal/ (6 files): * added heimdal (0.6.3)
22:13 * N0V4K is away: Estoy ocupado
22:15 * mnemoc_ _hate_ away messages
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23:21 < rxr> re
23:21 < rxr> shortly ...
23:28 < mnemoc_> cut -f1 $file | sort -u | while read key; do grep "^$key " $file; done <--- is this safe?
23:29 < mnemoc_> and...
23:29 < mnemoc_> while read key; do grep "^$key " $file; done < <( cut -f1 $file | sort -u ) ?
23:34 < rxr> ouhm?
23:35 < mnemoc_> how does sh react to two fd-s to the same file at the same time?
23:35 < mnemoc_> errr
23:35 < mnemoc_> stupid me, those are different processes
23:37 < jsaw> re
23:37 * rxr in beed
23:38 < jsaw> chet still doesn't believe it, but further investigation of the bash thing shows, it's a double-free bug.
23:38 < rxr> cu early in the morning ...
23:38 < jsaw> sleep well, rxr
23:38 < mnemoc_> gn8 rxr
23:38 < jsaw> hi mnemoc_
23:39 < mnemoc_> jsaw: $mr_nice_guy doesn't accept a mistake?
23:39 < mnemoc_> hi jsaw
23:39 < jsaw> well, I think he simply doesn't understand the code himself. shit happens you know... :)
23:39 < mnemoc_> hehe =)
23:40 < jsaw> happend to me too often that I couldn't see the fact while everybody else around me got it... so I won't think too bad of him...
23:50 < jsaw> mnemoc_: comments on the non-dist binaries mail?
23:52 < mnemoc_> new?
23:52 < CIA-10> jsaw * r5444 /trunk/package/themes/baghira/baghira.desc: * update baghira (0.3p -> 0.6a)
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23:53 < jsaw> [RFC] Non-distributable binary packages
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