T2 IRC Log: 2005-01-07

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--- Log opened Fri Jan 07 00:00:46 2005
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02:07 < mnemoc> rehi!
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02:24 < jsaw> hi mnemoc
02:28 < mnemoc> hi jsaw
02:51 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.194.178.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
02:51 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta2 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.exactcode.de/t2
02:51 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Dec 28 14:55:44 2004]
02:51 [Users #t2]
02:51 [ _Ragnar_] [ daja77] [ jsaw ] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly]
02:51 [ CIA-10 ] [ ideal ] [ mnemoc] [ praenti] [ rxr_] [ valentin ]
02:51 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal]
02:51 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
02:51 -!- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup
02:51 < mnemoc> being able to easily plug a different stage2 fetcher and a different installer
02:51 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs
02:51 < mnemoc> every built with diet or uclibc choosen on Config
02:52 < mnemoc> Config may also ask for "subdistribution info" and a default url to fetch stage2 and packages if network is choosen
02:52 < mnemoc> network option choosen on runtime
02:52 < mnemoc> comments?
02:53 < mnemoc> nfs mounting as a supported package fetching method too
02:54 < jsaw> I always disliked hardcoded stages to load... is that enough of a comment?
02:54 < mnemoc> hardcoded stageS?
02:55 < mnemoc> i think i can put every tool on initrd and only fetch kernel modules
02:56 < mnemoc> can i somehow analize my machine and remotely ask only for the modules i need?
02:56 < jsaw> (hardcoded names in linuxrc.c)
02:57 < jsaw> mnemoc: we have to start working on the hwplug thing...
02:58 < mnemoc> any aditional comment to that uboot idea?
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03:06 < jsaw> assuming you have url, where a couple of different builds are stored, it would be nice, if this thing would present a list, which one you want to install.
03:08 < mnemoc> that's the idea, get the list, ask for choise, select packages and install
03:09 < jsaw> go for it!
03:09 < mnemoc> ok
03:10 < mnemoc> OT: did syslinux-3.02 built for you?
03:10 < jsaw> how do I turn on removal of indentical history entries in bash?
03:11 < mnemoc> wasn't that a patch?
03:11 < jsaw> didn't try to compile it. But I remember having read sth. on rl about syslinux update problems too
03:11 < jsaw> really?
03:12 < mnemoc> iirc someone (jimmy?) sent a patch to add that feature
03:13 < jsaw> must have been after the fork...
03:13 < mnemoc> no, very earlier
03:14 < mnemoc> i guess it was rejected
03:14 < valentin> oh my god - i found a bug in djb's prime number generator or my alu is broken :(
03:15 < jsaw> ohoh.
03:15 < valentin> can anyone verify that 21071 is divisible by 19 ?
03:16 < mnemoc> 21071/19=1109
03:16 < mnemoc> 1109*19=21071
03:16 < jsaw> > 21071./19.;
03:16 < jsaw> 1109.0
03:16 < valentin> hehe
03:16 < jsaw> hi valentin
03:16 < valentin> valentin@majestix:~/primes/primegen-0.97$ ./primes | grep 21071
03:16 < valentin> 21071
03:17 < valentin> hi jsaw
03:17 < mnemoc> bad
03:17 < mnemoc> /calc 3./2.
03:17 < mnemoc> 3./2.=1
03:17 < valentin> i hope that is just a bug in the implementation, not in the atkins sieve prof
03:17 < mnemoc> doubles don't work here :(
03:18 < jsaw> mnemoc: ginsh
03:18 < jsaw> primes 20000 22000 | grep 21071
03:18 < jsaw> -> nothing
03:18 < valentin> which primes do you use ? the bsd primes i guess
03:18 < jsaw> (bsd-games)
03:19 < valentin> i used djb's prime number generator which uses atkin-sieve and can produce all primes up to 1.000.000.000.000.000
03:20 < mnemoc> djb's prime generator is flawed???
03:20 < valentin> seems so - i did not check the newest version, though.
03:20 < valentin> i should do :)
03:20 < mnemoc> don't you win a million bucks if you find something like that? :)
03:20 < valentin> rimegen 0.97
03:20 < valentin> 19990304
03:20 < valentin> Copyright 1999
03:20 < valentin> D. J. Bernstein, djb@pobox.com
03:20 < valentin> http://pobox.com/~djb/primegen.html
03:21 < valentin> oups - so i should not have told you
03:21 < valentin> mnemoc: $10.000 if you do not tell anybody *g*
03:21 < mnemoc> :p
03:21 < mnemoc> ack
03:22 < valentin> 0.97 seems to be the latest version
03:22 < mnemoc> oh
03:23 < mnemoc> send the mail :)
03:23 < mnemoc> i have to go now
03:23 < mnemoc> cu
03:23 < valentin> cu
03:24 < mnemoc> after i finish my engine for mnemosyne's config i'll begin with uboot
03:24 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin, jsaw
03:26 < jsaw> cu mnemoc - sleep well
03:26 < valentin> anyone here with an x86 ?
03:27 < jsaw> yep
03:27 < valentin> can you compile that generator ?
03:29 < jsaw> jsaw@volans:~/tmp/primegen-0.97$ ./primes | grep 21071
03:29 < jsaw> 210713
03:30 < valentin> strange
03:30 < valentin> then this seems to be an architecture related problem. the lower primes are correct
03:32 < valentin> so - can you paste me an arbitrary prime between 20000 and 22000 ?
03:33 < jsaw> 20143
03:33 < valentin> thx
03:39 < valentin> valentin@majestix:~/primes/primegen-0.97$ ./primes | grep 20143
03:39 < valentin> 20143
03:39 < valentin> 201431
03:40 < valentin> the second one is divisible by 157
03:40 < jsaw> jsaw@volans:~/tmp/primegen-0.97$ ./primes | grep 20143
03:40 < jsaw> 20143
03:40 < jsaw> 201437
03:40 < jsaw> ...
03:40 < valentin> strange bug
03:41 < jsaw> on what machine?
03:41 < valentin> machine : PowerBook4,3
03:42 < jsaw> hmmm
03:42 < valentin> (in fact it is an G3 iBook)
03:42 < valentin> hope this generator code is not used in crypto systems ...
03:44 < jsaw> openh323
03:44 < valentin> *g*
03:44 < jsaw> oh no, wrong google hit...
03:45 < valentin> i do not know if such small primes are relevant in any crypto system (except for the sake of testing bigger primes)
03:53 < jsaw> somehow I guess it's a byte order bug
03:55 < valentin> no
03:55 < jsaw> found it?
03:55 < valentin> ok, yes
03:55 < valentin> but must be a tricky one
03:55 < valentin> because the generator seems to fail on numbers that are a product of two primes
03:57 < valentin> hm first wrong number that is not a product of two primes is 8723
04:05 < valentin> oh i found all wrong numbers are == 11 (mod 12)
04:06 < valentin> that is the only negative irreducable form used in the sieve
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08:10 < rxr_> moin
08:10 < rxr_> Error logs from reference-2.1.0-beta3-x86-athlon-32-reference:
08:10 < rxr_> [5] base/linux26 [5] base/linux24
08:10 < rxr_> 1370 builds total, 394 completed fine, 2 with errors.
08:10 -!- You're now known as rxr
08:21 < CIA-10> susan * r5464 /trunk/package/network/ntop/ntop.desc: * added Author to ntop.desc
09:08 < rxr> moin
09:12 < rxr> the new syslinux does not build here either ...
09:25 < rxr> damn sh*t f*cking thunderbird ...
09:26 < rxr> so often some folder hangs on the mouse cursor that is than drag'n dropped where I do not want it ..
09:26 < rxr> how can one implement drag n' drop that annoyingly buggy ...
09:26 < rxr> how can one implement drag n' drop that annoyingly buggy ...
09:27 < rxr> == 01/07/05 09:26:57 =[5]=> Finished building package syslinux.
09:29 < CIA-10> rene * r5465 /trunk/package/base/linux-header/ext2_fs.patch: * fixed ext2_fs.h for user-space like syslinux
09:30 < rxr> 1370 builds total, 407 completed fine, 2 with errors.
09:52 < CIA-10> rene * r5466 /trunk/package/x11/nvidia/postlinux.conf:
09:52 < CIA-10> * added logging and a linux24 conditional to nvidia/postlinux.conf
09:52 < CIA-10> (should build with linux24 now - but untested - build in progress)
10:03 < rxr> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=netbsd-tech-net&m=109940554417735&w=2
10:07 < CIA-10> rene * r5467 /trunk/package/base/glibc/ (gcc_eh.patch.cross glibc.desc):
10:07 < CIA-10> * updated glibc (2.3.4-2004-08-01 -> 2.3.4-2004-12-24) and adapted the
10:07 < CIA-10> gcc_eh.patch.cross patch accordingly
10:20 < rxr> ok - I soon boot into osx ...
10:20 < rxr> for obvious reasons ...
10:34 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@pD95F8488.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
10:35 < nzg> moin
10:35 < rxr> moin nzg
10:35 < nzg> rxr: i will call schlund in a second....
10:36 < rxr> ;-)
10:36 < nzg> last time i called and told them that this damn thing didn'T respond to anything they said to me afte about five minutes "yes, i cant't reach your server by ping"
10:37 < rxr> lol
10:37 < nzg> so much about "best german hoster" etc...
10:38 < nzg> can you take a look in your logs and tell me when nzg!~tschmidt@xchangecenter.de quit the last time please?
10:39 < rxr> ouhm
10:39 < nzg> then i can tell them excactly when it died ;-)
10:39 < rxr> 005-01-06.html:18:26
10:40 < rxr> is that reasonable ...
10:40 < rxr> 2005 of course ...
10:40 < nzg> thx ;-)
10:40 < rxr> np ;-)
10:40 < nzg> so it died about the same time i left the office ;-)
10:41 < rxr> ...
10:44 * rxr going out and depart the bell
10:45 < rxr> hm - dual 2.3Ghz Xserve G5 - would nicely fit into the rack here .. ;-)
11:03 < nzg> it would fit on my desk too ;-)
11:05 < rxr> too bad apple does not give them away that cheaply ... :-(
11:19 * rxr back to the bell placeing the new labels into it ...
11:21 < nzg> so... Schlund called... "hm, i cant reach you server either" "hm, it's not the first time that happens" "i forwarded it as high priority request to the administrative team"
11:23 < daja77> hehe that reminds me
11:27 < rxr> nzg: what kind of server do you have there?
11:27 < rxr> dedicated root, or just some virtual s.th.?
11:36 < nzg> rxr: dedicated root
11:43 < nzg> at least they say its a real machine ;-)
11:49 * rxr soon gettin lunch ...
11:51 < CIA-10> rene * r5468 /trunk/package/network/xmule/xmule.desc: * updated xmule (1.9.4 -> 1.9.5)
11:52 < rxr> Error logs from reference-2.1.0-beta3-x86-athlon-32-reference: [5] base/linux26 [5] base/linux24 [5] network/xmule 1370 builds total, 425 completed fine, 3 with errors.
11:52 < rxr> this nvidia thing drives me crazzy ...
11:52 < rxr> ok - some food and osx hacking first ...
11:53 * nzg just got lunch
11:54 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/t2/
11:54 < rxr> ^- the place I will throw the error logs to so people can fix those ...
11:55 < rxr> the nvidia fixup is already on my todo ...
11:55 < rxr> lol
11:55 < rxr> ALSA ioctl32 in 2.6.10 or older is buggy. Try to avoid it.
11:56 < rxr> ^- not to mention that it (ioctl32) is there for a year or so now and it always crashed (hard freezed) my UltraSPARC U5 ...
12:00 < rxr> cu soon
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13:48 < nzg> rxr: the server is up again
13:48 < rxr> just noticed this ...
13:48 < rxr> I currently look how to mirrof via ftp - but that all seems to be a bit imperfect ...
13:50 < rxr> nzg: did they tell you what the problem was?
13:51 < nzg> no, not yet, although they promised to send me a mail
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13:54 < nzg> just celled them - the woman on the phone said that according to their system a colleaque is still investigating the problem
13:58 < rxr> nzg how should users get the files from your server?
13:59 < rxr> http or ftp?
13:59 < nzg> http for now - i can add ftp on the weekend
14:00 < rxr> I think http is fine ...
14:00 < rxr> just asked because there is just a Moin on the server ...
14:01 < nzg> ;-) i placed that there because i dislike the "Hier entsteht eine neue Internetpräsenz" default
14:04 < rxr> if call goes well I start copying the files soon ...
14:06 < CIA-10> rene * r5469 /trunk/package/network/lftp/lftp.desc: * updated lftp (3.0.3 -> 3.0.13)
14:13 < mnemoc> moin!
14:14 < mnemoc> rxr: why linux2[46] doesn't build?
14:14 < rxr> mnemoc: nvidia
14:14 < rxr> moin mnemoc
14:16 < mnemoc> moin rxr
14:20 < rxr> nzg: where do you want the files on the server?
14:21 < nzg> best you put them inside the htdocs of nzg.geeks.cl - /home/httpd/vhosts/nzg.geeks.cl/httpdocs/
14:22 < rxr> I started to throw them into ok
14:22 < nzg> the beancounters want to have plesk running on that machine....
14:23 < rxr> can you rm -rf /anon_ftp/pub/* then
14:23 < rxr> this is where I tested it on right now ...
14:24 < rxr> is /home/httpd/ ... somewhere in the ftp space?
14:24 < nzg> yes
14:25 < rxr> ouhm - must be blinded ...
14:25 < nzg> you get thronw ito it if you ftp the machine
14:26 < nzg> t2mirror:::::/home/httpd/vhosts/nzg.geeks.cl
14:26 < rxr> ah
14:26 < rxr> hm - and is is correct that there is all this stuff in there?
14:26 < rxr> bin lib etc ...
14:26 < rxr> statistics and so on ?
14:27 < nzg> yes
14:28 < rxr> is the plesk-stat file in the httpdocs directory vital?
14:28 < nzg> goog question ;-) shall i rm it?
14:28 < rxr> I have the permissions, too
14:29 < rxr> I just asked because the lftp mirror might remove it ...
14:29 < nzg> just remove it
14:29 < rxr> ok
14:30 < rxr> should I push a .htaccess on the server?
14:31 < rxr> the index.html is removed and one gets a forbidden on the server right now ...
14:31 < nzg> then yes
14:32 < mnemoc> rxr: mail
14:32 < rxr> nzg: ok - I do soon
14:33 < mnemoc> rxr: s/based/under/ on ROCK part
14:33 < rxr> could you please rm -rf all in that htdocs dir except t2-source?
14:33 < rxr> those are left overs from lftp trial'n errors ...
14:34 < rxr> nzg: data is flowing with 5MB/s ...
14:35 < rxr> `OOO_1_1_3_fix2.tar.bz2' at 66777320 (42%) 5.20M/s eta:17s [Sending data]
14:35 < mnemoc> oh
14:35 < mnemoc> i don't get that on my LAN
14:35 < nzg> done
14:44 < rxr> http://nzg.geeks.cl/
14:44 < rxr> sync in progress
14:44 < rxr> but @ 5MB/s it will not last long ...
14:45 < nzg> *g* the schlund+partner rz is quite well connected
14:46 < rxr> yeah - and the gsmp.tfh-berlin.de is also quite well attached to the DFN ...
14:46 < rxr> I should later sync the binary ISOs to your side, too ?
14:46 * mnemoc feels great to see such a machine on his domain :p
14:47 < nzg> do so
14:47 < rxr> ok
14:47 < rxr> but not before next week or so ..
14:47 < nzg> if i ever need the space for something else, i tell you
14:47 < rxr> but I try if my old ftp.tux.org drock account is still alive
14:47 < rxr> and sync our sources there, too ... - If it is ...
14:48 < rxr> hehe - linux tarballed transfered in 7s or so ...
14:48 < rxr> -ed
14:51 < mnemoc> http://www.fairbanksstreets.com/uploader/userfiles/Mindsetonu/mscement.png
14:52 < rxr> lol
14:54 < mnemoc> rxr: you have a typo on mirror's README, first word
14:55 < mnemoc> can i change url to t2-project on my copy?
14:55 < rxr> not yet
14:55 < rxr> let us first migrate the content there
14:55 < mnemoc> ok
14:56 < rxr> which word contains a typo ?
14:56 < mnemoc> thiss
14:57 < rxr> oehm
14:57 < rxr> URL ?
14:57 < mnemoc> http://nzg.geeks.cl/t2-source/2.1/README
14:57 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 64951.437
14:57 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 58882.300
14:57 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 17760.434
14:57 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 13146.640
14:57 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 72575.858
14:57 < mnemoc> oh
14:58 < mnemoc> nzg kicking
14:58 < nzg> hehe
15:00 < rxr> oehm - the mirror run completed ...
15:00 < jsaw> re
15:00 < nzg> wb jsaw
15:00 < mnemoc> wb jsaw
15:00 < rxr> was this 3GB data transfered in a matter of minutes ?
15:00 < jsaw> hi nzg,mnemoc,rxr
15:00 < rxr> hi jsaw
15:01 < mnemoc> INFO: Downloading mirror-list from exactcode.de.
15:01 < mnemoc> INFO: Testing ... ok 11976.608
15:01 < mnemoc> INFO: Testing ... ok 22938.747
15:01 < mnemoc> INFO: Testing ... ok 48401.773
15:01 < mnemoc> INFO: Testing ... ok 26608.201
15:01 < rxr> 3.7G t2-source
15:02 < rxr> mnemoc: whre is www.geeks.cl ?
15:02 < mnemoc> ignored using download/Me
15:02 < rxr> ah ...
15:02 < jsaw> rxr: how's the ref build?
15:03 < rxr> Error logs from reference-2.1.0-beta3-x86-athlon-32-reference: [5] base/linux26 [5] base/linux24 [5] network/xmule [5] e17/efsd1370 builds total, 531 completed fine, 4 with errors.
15:03 < jsaw> linux24 due to QM_MODULES not supported?
15:03 < rxr> no - both linux pacakges due to my broken nvidia/postlinux work ...
15:04 < rxr> yes I know I should fix this soon
15:04 < jsaw> I'll commit the first part of it. But linux24 still fails...
15:04 < rxr> btw - sorry for the broken cut'n pasts
15:04 < jsaw> However, I have no idea where this comes from:
15:04 < jsaw> depmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented
15:05 < rxr> I'm in osx - obviously - where cut'n paste is so annoying ...
15:05 < rxr> hm
15:05 < jsaw> kernel update?
15:05 < jsaw> or only fix for the elf-vuln
15:05 < mnemoc> kernel update fixes cut'n'paste on osx??
15:06 < rxr> nzg: can you confirm that you have 3.7GB in the t2 mirror directory ?
15:06 < jsaw> nope elf-loader vulnerability in linux kernel:
15:06 < rxr> patch the kern l...
15:06 < rxr> and we could pull in the 3 kde patches
15:06 < nzg> must be around that - df says 4G on /home
15:06 < jsaw> http://lists.immunitysec.com/pipermail/dailydave/2005-January/001371.html
15:06 < rxr> but I have no time for those ...
15:06 < nzg> since it where 46M before ;-)
15:07 < rxr> ok - that was fast ... ,-)
15:08 < mnemoc> jsaw: no patches yet?
15:08 < jsaw> mnemoc: can't find one..
15:10 < mnemoc> rxr: this is on a neutral chilean machine
15:10 < mnemoc> INFO: Testing ... ok 26522.056
15:10 < mnemoc> INFO: Testing ... ok 26468.498
15:10 < mnemoc> INFO: Testing ... ok 20871.338
15:10 < mnemoc> INFO: Testing ... ok 44461.330
15:10 < mnemoc> INFO: Testing ... ok 26543.540
15:11 < rxr> nice to see we have some mirror infrastructure to base on
15:12 < mnemoc> what happened to the guy from filipines?
15:12 < rxr> sparc* one ?
15:12 < mnemoc> iirc we is from puerto rico
15:12 < mnemoc> he*
15:17 < mnemoc> jsaw: http://www.rocklinux.net/lurker/message/20030923.144141.51486462.html
15:18 < rxr> you most probably just want HISTCONTROL=ignoredups
15:18 < jsaw> rxr was faster...
15:19 < jsaw> that's in my .profile since yesterday...
15:19 < mnemoc> according to that thread ignoredups only ignore consecutive dupes
15:19 < jsaw> I guess we should add this to the user profile in /etc/skel..
15:19 < jsaw> mnemoc: that's what I wanted...
15:19 < mnemoc> :)
15:20 < rxr> although I have to admit that Jimmy's patch is also a nice to have ...
15:20 < rxr> but we should not patch abretary features into the bash beast ...
15:20 < rxr> jsaw: any news regarding the bash crash bug and patch?
15:21 < mnemoc> was jimmy invited to t2?
15:21 < rxr> yes
15:21 < mnemoc> and?
15:21 < mnemoc> did he answered?
15:21 < rxr> but he did never liked the rock code and usage at all and went freebsd ...
15:21 < mnemoc> :(
15:21 < rxr> although we could remeber him ... and invite to rereview ...
15:22 < jsaw> rxr: no, chet could not repeat the error... guess he has given up-I mean he was not interested in the first place, so...
15:22 < rxr> what?
15:22 < rxr> he claimed in the original mail that the bug was fixed ... ?
15:22 < jsaw> But I'm pretty sure my patch is correct.
15:22 < mnemoc> so where is the error? gcc?
15:22 < jsaw> rxr: which mail do you mean?
15:23 < rxr> he one in the bash mail archive
15:23 < rxr> where someone else reported s.th. like that and he just replied "it is fixed"
15:23 < jsaw> rxr: maybe in his personal cvs somewhere on the moon.
15:23 < jsaw> but there's not patch available.
15:24 < rxr> I know ... - that is why I explicitly asked for that patch he had in mind when writing the mail ..
15:24 < rxr> I'm quite feared that there is not bash version control system ....
15:24 < mnemoc> o_O
15:24 < mnemoc> is it possible to keep such beast without version control?
15:25 < rxr> well - you see the result
15:25 < jsaw> oh my, readline is the same style
15:25 < mnemoc> isn't he readline author too?
15:26 < rxr> yep
15:26 < rxr> thus the same style .-)
15:26 < mnemoc> :)
15:30 < CIA-10> jsaw * r5470 /trunk/package/x11/nvidia/ (depmod-kver.patch module-install-24.patch):
15:30 < CIA-10> * try to fix nvidia/postlinux.sh build, linux26 seems to work
15:30 < CIA-10> linux24 breaks with QM_MODULES:Function no supported in depmod...(here)
15:31 < jsaw> rxr: here's the working base for the nvidia stuff, don't have more time to elaborate on it
15:32 < rxr> thanks
15:32 < rxr> I read over it and throw it in the reference build ...
15:33 < jsaw> the depmod-kver.patch is for linux26, the other for linux24
15:33 < rxr> nzg: seems I can inject the lftp run into cron now ...
15:33 < mnemoc> lftp is great
15:34 < rxr> used it the first time right now ...
15:34 * nzg has never used lftp
15:34 < rxr> just had to search s.th. that can push mirror ftp:// ...
15:35 < mnemoc> it preserve dates too
15:38 < rxr> 1370 builds total, 559 completed fine, 4 with errors.
15:38 < mnemoc> :D
15:38 < rxr> and soon we have 2 error less when linux* will be fixed ...
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15:39 < mnemoc> we may remove .cache files older than 5? month after reference
15:39 < rxr> why?
15:40 < rxr> my vision is to get rid of the .cache monsster noise commits anyway ...
15:40 < mnemoc> those are from O packages which haven't been tested
15:40 < mnemoc> and push .cache from test builds
15:40 < mnemoc> imvho
15:42 < rxr> arg
15:42 < rxr> I just mistyped crontab -e with -r and now my root crontab is gone
15:42 < rxr> who the hell wants a -r parameter that wipes vital data without further questioning ?
15:42 < rxr> damn junk ...
15:42 < rxr> especially when r and e are so near on the keyboard ...
15:44 < CIA-10> jsaw * r5471 /trunk/package/base/readline/ (readline.conf readline.desc): * add patches to readline ala bash
15:44 < rxr> omg
15:52 < jsaw> btw bash, that's also funny:
15:52 < jsaw> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-bash/2005-01/msg00011.html
15:52 < jsaw> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-bash/2005-01/msg00000.html
15:54 < jsaw> commit and fix later, or fix and commit later: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.t2.devel/313
15:56 < rxr> ouhm - still not deeply looked into it ... .-(
15:57 < mnemoc> i have read those some days ago :p he has 'good' answers for everything
15:58 < jsaw> hehe
15:58 < rxr> damn cut'n paste in osx
15:58 < rxr> and tomorrow I will hit apple-c and apple-v everywhere in linux again ...
15:58 < rxr> damn crap
15:59 < rxr> valentin: when did you wanted to grab the ppc board ?
16:00 < mnemoc> rxr: are you liquidating ppc boards?
16:01 < rxr> well - some just fly by for free ...
16:02 < mnemoc> :)
16:02 < rxr> well - old slow left overs ...
16:03 < mnemoc> :'(
16:06 < valentin> rxr: not today and not tomorow
16:07 < valentin> anyone seen the rock video ?
16:07 < rxr> nope - my osx does not wanna play it back ...
16:13 < rxr> oh - I never saw tove before:
16:13 < rxr> http://www.tux.org/~chessman/images/linus+tove.jpg
16:30 < rxr> 1370 builds total, 611 completed fine, 5 with errors.
16:31 < mnemoc> is tove linus wife?
16:31 < rxr> IIRC yes
16:38 < rxr> and now I wiped again vital data due to annoying osx cut'n paste behavour
16:38 < rxr> arrg
16:38 < mnemoc> :\
16:38 < rxr> how can anyone want to use this shit ...
16:38 < mnemoc> svn revert
16:39 < rxr> well - if I would have all of my boxes /etc data in svn ...
16:39 < mnemoc> rcs? :)
16:39 < rxr> neither
16:39 < mnemoc> :(
16:49 < rxr> I now saw the first seconds of the rock bof video
16:49 < rxr> however it is tha fat that my 1024kBit connection needs over 2 hours to suck it down ...
16:50 < rxr> valentin: you had some question regarding that footage ?
16:52 < rxr> most probably they do not know themselfs why they but this noisy video and noisy audio thing up at 720x676 @902.9kbps ...
16:52 < rxr> hey - and it has 48kHz audio ...
16:53 < valentin> but that does not help - you simply cannot hear daja for example
16:53 < rxr> one can only marginally hear anyone ...
16:53 < daja77> i did not say much, and yes blindy was not familiar with that cam
16:54 < valentin> i was not ranting, just wondering why he encoded it in such a high resolution
16:54 < valentin> hi daja77 btw
16:55 < daja77> no idea
16:55 < daja77> hi valentin
16:55 < rxr> in 48kHz stereo mp3 @ 128kbps ...
16:55 < rxr> hi daja77
16:55 < valentin> lets wait for the subtitles then :)
16:55 < rxr> yeah - would be better ...
17:24 < valentin> i need to bake a cake - cu later
17:25 < rxr> cu
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19:04 < rxr> hi N0V4K
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19:18 < CIA-10> rene * r5472 /trunk/package/x11/nvidia/ (3 files):
19:18 < CIA-10> * improved the nvidia patches:
19:18 < CIA-10> * more lightweight 2.4 one - e.g. do not inject a wohle new target
19:18 < CIA-10> * do not call depmod at all
19:18 < CIA-10> * unified naming
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19:51 < rxr> hi tschmidt_ ;-)
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19:59 < rxr> I dife thru the rock bof - and wonder why they have guitar music in the background that is nearly as loud as the speakers ...
20:02 < rxr> clifford does not know what he talks ... - he tells obviously bullshit about the package's $confdir checksum and all the others just nod ...
20:02 < rxr> and the extra version thing can of course be solved way cooler ...
20:02 < rxr> damn i
20:02 < rxr> damn is the bof annoying ....
20:02 < rxr> fast farward ...
20:02 < rxr> forward
20:07 < rxr> good that I left that project ...
20:08 < rxr> the whole extraver discussion is mostly about the .cache file - and that is not checksummed anyway ...
20:10 < rxr> rocksrcck=$(cd $base; md5sum package/*/$pkg/* 2> /dev/null | \
20:10 < rxr> grep -v '\.cache$' | md5sum | cut -f1 -d' ')
20:10 < rxr> ^- paste from ROCK svn ...
20:12 < rxr> .oO
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20:16 < rxr> the rock community would have had more when it would he been transriptted ...
20:16 * rxr stops with this pointless video now, finally ...
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21:13 < mnemoc> rehi
21:16 < CIA-10> rene * r5473 /trunk/package/x11/nvidia/postlinux.conf: * fixed nvidia/postlinux.conf typo - oops ...
21:16 < rxr> hi mnemoc
21:16 * rxr most likely a bit away
21:16 < rxr> cu slightly later
21:18 < mnemoc> cu rxr
21:19 < rxr> well - ok - or not yet ... ,-)
21:20 < mnemoc> :)
21:26 < rxr> how are you mnemoc ?
21:26 < rxr> [5] network/xmule [5] e17/efsd
21:26 < rxr> [5] e17/entrance
21:26 < rxr> 1370 builds total, 636 completed fine, 3 with errors.
21:27 < mnemoc> :)
21:27 < mnemoc> e17's are old, xmule is a new brokenness
21:28 < rxr> due to wxwidget update I think
21:28 < mnemoc> yes
21:28 < mnemoc> DynamicPreferencesCtrl.cpp:435: error: conversion from `const char[1]' to `const wxString' is ambiguous
21:29 < rxr> osx sucks
21:29 < mnemoc> we all know :)
21:29 < rxr> my stuff crahes - I get a kde / gnome crash dialog style send to apple dialog
21:29 < rxr> including a backtrace ...
21:29 < rxr> it tells me this:
21:29 < rxr> (aside from much noise)
21:29 < rxr> Thread: 2
21:30 < rxr> Thread 0:
21:30 < rxr> ....
21:30 < rxr> backtrace
21:30 < rxr> Thread 1:
21:30 < rxr> ...
21:30 < rxr> backtrace
21:30 < rxr> Thread 2 Crashed:
21:30 < rxr> ...
21:30 < rxr> Thread _2_ ???? ...
21:31 < mnemoc> strace -tt ?
21:33 < mnemoc> -fF i mean :\
21:33 < mnemoc> err
21:33 * mnemoc needs water
21:35 < rxr> no strace in osx
21:35 < rxr> only found some kdump s.th. so far ...
21:35 < mnemoc> :(
21:35 < rxr> I know Thread 1 crashed - I just find so many strange things in osx that I feel I have to report/log some of them here ...
21:35 < mnemoc> i wouldn't be able to live without my great friend strace
21:35 < rxr> yep ,-)
21:36 < rxr> if you want s.th. to fall asleep I can recommend the rock bof video ... ,-)
21:36 < rxr> me a bit or longer away
21:37 < mnemoc> i guess i'll have to wait for subtitles, german is not one my of strengths
21:39 < rxr> oh - yes, forgot it ...
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21:48 < rxr> h isp
21:48 < rxr> hi sparc-kly ;-)
21:48 < sparc-kly> hi rxr :P
21:49 < rxr> wow - smp mentions t2 ...
21:49 < mnemoc> where?
21:49 < rxr> although just that we split xine into xine-ui and xine-lib
21:49 < rxr> in the rock bof ...
21:49 < rxr> after that sentense from him someone makes a joke I was not yet able to understand
21:49 < rxr> due to the high noise level
21:50 < rxr> I have my amplified volume turn to max to be able to understand anything at all ...
21:59 < rxr> rm -rf bof 750MB file ...
21:59 < mnemoc> :)
21:59 < rxr> damn - was that boring - even with fast forwards ...
21:59 < rxr> mnemoc: all you need is the summary on the mailing list
21:59 < rxr> the video is just - well - I miss the words ...
21:59 * rxr again either shorter or longer away ...
22:00 < mnemoc> i guess with better audio encoding it would be better
22:05 < rxr> well - it was quite slow and toting anyway ...
22:06 < rxr> == 01/07/05 22:05:27 =[5]=> Finished building package linux26.
22:06 < rxr> wee
22:06 < rxr> 1370 builds total, 637 completed fine, 3 with errors.
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22:12 < rxr> what the sh*t f*cking hell ....
22:12 < mnemoc> ?
22:12 < rxr> this damn buggy osx crap
22:13 < rxr> this expose thingi just left a window hidden in the off-screen area hidden from me ...
22:13 < mnemoc> why are you osx-ing? scanner driver?
22:13 < rxr> yes
22:13 < rxr> of coruse
22:13 < rxr> course
22:13 < rxr> otherwise I would not smite me ...
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22:19 < rxr> hi mtr_
22:20 < mnemoc> hi mtr
22:20 < mnemoc> mtr_: have you played with uclibc lately?
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22:27 < mnemoc> :\
22:27 < rxr> :-(
22:37 < rxr> 1370 builds total, 640 completed fine, 3 with errors.
22:38 < rxr> me rebooting - osx acts stranger then usual ...
23:04 < mnemoc> Do not look at the X-Mailer tag - it is Apple Mail.app <--- sorry rxr, my thunderbird shows it on header :p
23:08 < rxr> yeah - I know some show it early on - that is why I added it *g*
23:08 < rxr> just for the joke of it ...
23:09 < mnemoc> that's why i show mailers ;)
23:10 < rxr> to see who is cheating, not using linux in production?
23:10 < mnemoc> yeah
23:10 < rxr> do I eat a supper - or do I fall into bed ...
23:10 < rxr> my difficult questions ...
23:10 < rxr> 1370 builds total, 643 completed fine, 3 with errors.
23:11 < mnemoc> everything start after 900
23:11 < rxr> you mean the annoying toy package nobody does care about ?
23:12 < mnemoc> no, after 900 completed packages the broken-party begins
23:12 < mnemoc> that happened to me on my generic-try, and to jsaw
23:12 < mnemoc> but yes, most are toy packages nobody cares
23:12 < rxr> yeah - the "annoying toy package nobody does care about" ... ;-)
23:13 < rxr> and you want me to fix those?
23:13 < rxr> when I have to do some uni stuff to prevent exmatriculation and this scanner driver thingy I want to get my bills payed with ?
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23:14 < mnemoc> i trying to fix uclibc/gawk and i don't know how
23:14 < rxr> hm
23:14 < rxr> what is the problem/error ?
23:15 < mnemoc> a group related var is not declared because of an #if condition
23:15 < mnemoc> and that var is used on a block with the same damn condition
23:16 < rxr> no - i do not believe that
23:16 < rxr> the apple people are kidding ...
23:16 < mnemoc> uhm?
23:16 < mnemoc> red screen of death?
23:16 < mnemoc> io.c: In function `useropen':
23:16 < mnemoc> io.c:1515: error: `ngroups' undeclared (first use in this function)
23:16 < mnemoc> io.c:1515: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
23:16 < mnemoc> io.c:1515: error: for each function it appears in.)
23:16 < mnemoc> io.c:1517: error: `groupset' undeclared (first use in this function)
23:16 * rxr lieing on the floor laughing ...
23:16 < mnemoc> make[2]: *** [io.o] Error 1
23:16 < mnemoc> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/building/t2/uboot/src.gawk.1105131500.23564.0/gawk-3.1.4'
23:16 < rxr> the thred index I posted earlier
23:17 < rxr> I thought it was due to human readable convertion in the style +1
23:17 < mnemoc> byt?
23:17 < rxr> so it says when you have 1 thread, thread[0]: Thread 1 crashed
23:17 < mnemoc> but*
23:17 < rxr> but this is not the case ...
23:17 < rxr> I now get:
23:17 < rxr> Thread 0 Crashed:
23:17 < rxr>
23:18 < rxr> Thread 1:
23:18 < rxr> full backtrace and so on
23:18 < rxr> oh my ...
23:18 < rxr> who coded this stuff ...
23:18 < mnemoc> :)
23:18 < rxr> wow - and how should I debug this now ?
23:19 < rxr> apple should hire me and pay me s.th. in the > 200.000 EUR/year range to help them to get their stuff into production quality ...
23:19 < rxr> I should consider sending sone resume to them ...
23:20 * rxr should plug in my U30 with Firewire adapter to be able to read the iBook's system memory that way ...
23:20 < rxr> too good IEEE1394 allows exactly that ...
23:20 < mnemoc> flood them bugs and debug info :)
23:21 < rxr> yeah - e.g. press on the Send to Apple button every time our driver crashes ...
23:21 < rxr> "Why did you send us 200 crash reports yesterday?"
23:21 < rxr> well - hey - because the button was there ... ;-)
23:23 < mnemoc> hehe
23:24 < rxr> maybe they change the app logic then - to first show a colorful dialog with
23:25 < rxr> "The application you have been currently working with just crashed. If you are not the developer and you are sure it is not your fault it crash click on the see crash log for the possiblity to send the bug report to Apple Inc."
23:25 < rxr> "And do not send more than one per day"
23:25 < mnemoc> talking about abandon packages, can you "find -name '*.cache' -exec rm \{\} \;" before reference start coping new cache files?
23:25 < rxr> well - they could even add a hidden counter to prevent this ...
23:26 < mnemoc> are you sure they dont?
23:26 < rxr> well - I do not need to rm them before
23:26 < rxr> and the .caches files are not copied automatically - one needs to run the deeply hidden script anyways ...
23:27 < mnemoc> i would like to know what optional packages have recient cache files and evidently force $maintainer to inject one
23:28 < rxr> well - nearly none of the optional packages would be build inside my ref, build, no ?
23:28 < mnemoc> none will build on your ref
23:28 < rxr> so you can ask all O maintainers anyway ...
23:29 < mnemoc> clifford and mnemoc
23:29 < rxr> yeah - then go and ask clifford ...
23:29 < mnemoc> ah, and daja
23:29 < mnemoc> rtai thing
23:29 < rxr> Hey clifford - here is this package in t2 that is marked optional - could you please verify it sill builds and send an updated .cache file ?
23:30 < rxr> but clifford should not have any packages in t2 anymore - I sed'ed them over to me some days ago ....
23:30 < mnemoc> su you maintain icc now? ;)
23:30 < mnemoc> so*
23:30 < rxr> yep
23:30 < rxr> in theory
23:30 < mnemoc> =)
23:30 < rxr> you get an update I guess ?
23:30 < rxr> s/you/
23:31 < rxr> icc could get an update I meant
23:31 < mnemoc> and a test build :p
23:31 < mnemoc> much funnier than osx, usb and scanners :)
23:32 < rxr> yeah - but I can not overlive that ...
23:32 < rxr> either due to the ugly icc'ness or out of food before ...
23:32 < mnemoc> =)
23:32 < mnemoc> what about removing that basta^Wpackage?
23:33 < rxr> basto what ?
23:33 < rxr> icc ?
23:33 < rxr> no - that is one of the more useful packges ...
23:34 < mnemoc> O_O
23:34 < rxr> removing some outdated and O gnome2 or some other unused gnome14 stuff would be more useful - icc is at least useful for some stuff ...
23:34 < rxr> where old anc rotting gnome* stuff never is ....
23:35 < rxr> hm - rotting reminds me I should take a look into the rock irc ...
23:35 < mnemoc> ic
23:38 < rxr> e.g. gnotepad+ is s.th. I recently discovered is gnome2 and is moved into gnome14 nwo ...
23:38 < rxr> but do we need to keep an gnome14 example text editor ?
23:39 < mnemoc> i consider gnome14 a legacy problem needed by a very few useful programs
23:41 * rxr too
23:41 < rxr> so I can wipe gnotepad+
23:41 < rxr> ?
23:41 < mnemoc> a program which haven't released in 4? years, in which no other depends don't deserve to live
23:42 < rxr> good
23:42 < CIA-10> rene * r5474 /trunk/package/gnome14/gnotepad+/: * removed obsolete example text editor of gnome14
23:43 < rxr> hm - I do not get this
23:43 < mnemoc> what?
23:43 < rxr> my example testcase does terminate with seig11 SIGSEGV and the damn debugger does still show it is running and I can onyl click on terminate ...
23:44 < rxr> hm - interesting ..
23:44 < rxr> why the hell does the thing show treminated when it was just one thread ...
23:45 < rxr> and why is the main app still spinning in CFRunLoopRun ... ?!?!?
23:45 < rxr> I want my Linux back ...
23:45 < mnemoc> *G*
23:48 < rxr> and why doen't the debugger pop up with the place the thread crashed ...
23:49 < mnemoc> misterius thread
23:49 < mnemoc> part of apple's obscurity
23:50 < rxr> argj
23:50 < rxr> what is that:
23:50 < rxr> Error from Debugger: mi_cmd_exec_interrupt: Inferior not executing.
23:51 < rxr> erhm - erhm - I get headache
23:52 < rxr> there is some Write*Async
23:53 < rxr> when I pass smoe non-zero vaule to the written variable passed as pointer to that function I get into trouble ... ?
23:54 < rxr> osx drives you crazzy ...
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