T2 IRC Log: 2005-01-10

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--- Log opened Mon Jan 10 00:00:46 2005
00:53 < mnemoc> Committed revision 5500.
00:55 < rxr> ;-)
00:55 < rxr> hi CIA-mnemoc ;-)
00:55 < mnemoc> =)
00:55 < rxr> I really like this chart:
00:55 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/
00:55 < rxr> ;-)
00:57 < rxr> freddy: still here ?
00:57 < mnemoc> == 01/09/05 20:57:17 =[9]=> Finished building package mod_perl.
00:57 < mnemoc> rxr: don't you think the average line is cool? ;)
00:58 < rxr> yeah - and don't you think the two graphs are great ?
00:58 < mnemoc> yep :D
01:03 < rxr> didn't you want to reply to the release schedule yesterday ß
01:03 < mnemoc> yes yes
01:03 < mnemoc> but i wanted to have the wiki up before
01:03 < rxr> don't hurry - I'm stuck turning my brain over for those annoying hard to find memory corruptions under osx ...
01:03 < mnemoc> 9pm here ;)
01:04 < rxr> ah - yes, forgot - good excuse ..
01:04 < mnemoc> :p
01:08 < rxr> valentin: my reverted code seems to work ...
01:08 < rxr> commit soon
01:08 < mnemoc> Apache/2.0.52 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.0.52 OpenSSL/0.9.7d DAV/2 PHP/5.0.3 mod_python/3.1.3 Python/2.4 mod_perl/1.999.20 Perl/v5.8.2 Server at t2.geeks.cl Port 80
01:08 * rxr milk
01:08 < rxr> too much tea in my bloodstream ...
01:09 < mnemoc> pure milk?
01:09 < rxr> maybe with chocolate pouder (ot whatever it is called in en)
01:13 < rxr> I _NEED_ to wash up
01:13 < rxr> decided to go pure milk due to missing clean spoons ...
01:13 < rxr> s/wash up/do the dishes/ or what it was named in en
01:14 < mnemoc> dishes
01:15 < valentin> rxr: use your finger to mix it
01:15 < jsaw> *grin*
01:16 < rxr> yeah - or a clean fork ...
01:16 < jsaw> pencil is also acceptible
01:16 < rxr> I think I have on fork left ...
01:16 < rxr> one even
01:17 < rxr> valentin: code reverted
01:17 < rxr> I now add native xfer just for the sake of it and then package it
01:18 < rxr> I hope at 1:30
01:18 < rxr> as 0.10, hm ?
01:18 < rxr> and when you part gets further we can repackage it as 0.11 or so
01:18 < rxr> but I want s.th. now to hand them tomorro ...
01:18 < rxr> +w
01:19 < valentin> ok
01:19 < rxr> mnemoc: we missed mod_perl ?
01:19 < valentin> rxr:how long are you awake ?
01:19 < rxr> well - I wanted to have it ready around 0:00
01:20 < rxr> so - this question is kind of difficult to answer
01:20 < valentin> i need about 30 minutes for the preview stuff - so with debugging and error searching 90 minutes
01:20 < rxr> packaging and testing it is likely past 2:00
01:20 < rxr> and if only a few minutes are missing to add your stuff I will of course wait for it
01:21 < rxr> another option is (if debugging on your side takes too long) that I send them the night state and an update in the morning when I get up ...
01:21 < rxr> but let's try to get both versions created tonight ...
01:23 < mnemoc> rxr: yes
01:24 < mnemoc> rxr: and i jsut noticed you forked before my suexec patch was applied on rock
01:25 < rxr> pull it ,-)
01:25 < rxr> btw. do we want to be evil and monitor submaster pulling any reasonable junk from there ?
01:25 < rxr> I mean we could easily handle to review each patch and apply it even a week before it is in ROCK trunk *evil grin*
01:25 < valentin> rxr: find ready - should i do this photoshop thing now ?
01:25 < rxr> yep
01:26 < rxr> please
01:26 < mnemoc> :)
01:26 < mnemoc> i have to improve compare.sh to handle pkgfork too
01:26 < rxr> (my account is still intact I could even mark them as applied ,-)
01:28 < rxr> ok - I admit that would be evil - but do we have a ideological problem monitoring it and marking the chunks as pulled from there?
01:28 < mnemoc> not me
01:29 < mnemoc> i mean, i have no ideological problem
01:39 < rxr> ok - I konw again why I skipped NATIVE transfers so far ..
01:40 < mnemoc> compare.sh does quite good patch generation
01:55 < rxr> what inprecise error message is that :
01:55 < rxr> 2005-01-10 01:54:51.911 PackageMaker[3621] ** building a package at AvisionDS.pkg **
01:55 < rxr> 2005-01-10 01:54:52.133 PackageMaker[3621] done (-1)
01:55 < rxr> An error occurred while building the package. You may not have permissions to read some of the files in the root.
01:55 < rxr> are they joking?
01:55 < rxr> I mean I want to know "what the hell" is wrong - not some vague guess ...
01:55 < rxr> Build-Target
01:55 < rxr> !> There was some error creating your distribution. Maybe some package could not been built ...
02:06 < rxr> ouch
02:07 < rxr> the f*cking Apple package creator only works when you throw absolote pathnames into it ...
02:07 * rxr get's crazzy ...
02:07 < rxr> I WANT MY LINUX BACK ....
02:08 < rxr> try to use s.th. else than T2/Linux for three days and you get withdrawal symptoms
02:08 < rxr> (lik me)
02:08 < mnemoc> =)
02:08 < rxr> $ du -csh AvisionDS.pkg/
02:08 < rxr> 340K AvisionDS.pkg/
02:08 < mnemoc> i was able to use ubuntu for 2 hours
02:09 < rxr> ouhm - where?
02:10 < rxr> http://www.latenightsw.com/freeware/PListTools/
02:10 < rxr> uhm?
02:10 < rxr> what company name is that?
02:10 < rxr> late night software ltd?
02:10 < rxr> could be a name for our stuff ...
02:10 < rxr> yuck.
02:20 < rxr> the shell way to get a value from a .xml file:
02:20 < rxr> grep -A 1 Version pkg/Description.plist | tail -n 1 | sed 's/.*>\(.*\)<.*/\1/'
02:25 < rxr> 376K AvisionDS-0.1.0.pkg
02:25 < rxr> 268K AvisionDS-0.1.0.pkg.tar.gz
02:32 < jsaw> bash update: "Not using `declare' is sufficient to avoid the bug."
02:32 < jsaw> ...
02:32 < jsaw> (P.S.: The bug is corrected in upcoming bash-3.1)
02:32 < jsaw> but, somehow I can't move him to send a patch :(
02:33 < rxr> hey - it meats the osx annoyance requirements ...
02:33 < jsaw> :) :( :) :( ad infinitum
02:34 < rxr> well - people not able to just send over a trivial patch are - well - I miss the words ...
02:34 < mnemoc> that's becasue he doesn't have version control
02:35 < mnemoc> he have plain HEAD on his home
02:35 < rxr> even in ROCK times without version control I could have generated a diff for any change ...
02:36 < jsaw> To complete the update: the error is somewhere in the "declare" command - so my patch only hides it...
02:37 < rxr> should I send a mail to him ?
02:38 < rxr> or do you wanna retry or, or , or - yeah - what?
02:38 < jsaw> I want to wait for his answer on this reply:
02:38 < jsaw> hat's not really acceptible, as we would loose information. E.g. the array attribute will be lost. We depend on using the output of declare -p directly.
02:38 < jsaw> Come on, there's a reason why you don't want to send a patch, what is it?
02:40 < rxr> cool - I just installed our driver using the OSX installer ... ;-)
02:40 < rxr> "The software was sucessfully installed
02:40 < rxr> "
02:53 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.193.39.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
02:53 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta2 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.exactcode.de/t2
02:53 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Dec 28 14:55:44 2004]
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02:53 < rxr_> rehi
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02:53 * rxr_ now using the fork technique to mix the instant ice coffee
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02:59 < jsaw> fix for alsa-driver (due to linux24 update) committed.
02:59 < rxr> we need cia back
02:59 < rxr> I'll convert the server to send rpcxml crap out ...
03:05 < jsaw> gotta leave.. cu!
03:08 < rxr> cu
03:17 < mnemoc> aaaaaarg!! i _hate_ this python s.ths
03:29 < rxr> ohm
03:29 < rxr> no idea how I managed this
03:30 < rxr> but I got yet another graphical glitch with expose
03:30 < rxr> some blue highlight texture was haning on my display between the windows ...
03:32 < valentin> do not rant about apple, we are not able to do yet a simple GUI for our scanners ,)
03:32 < rxr> but this is due to the annoying IDE and toolkit ..
03:32 < rxr> and I'm also fighting with the installer ...
03:33 < rxr> PackageMager to be exact ...
03:33 < rxr> Maker even ... PackageMaker
03:34 < mnemoc> $ svn co file://home/amery/t2-wiki foo
03:34 < mnemoc> svn: Unable to open an ra_local session to URL
03:34 < mnemoc> svn: Local URL 'file://home/amery/t2-wiki' contains unsupported hostname
03:34 < mnemoc> what i'm doing wrong?
03:34 < mnemoc> file:/// :)
03:35 < rxr> yep
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03:46 < rxr> h ideal
03:47 < ideal> Hi, rxr:)
03:49 < mnemoc> hi ideal
03:49 < rxr> how are you over there ideal?
03:50 < ideal> Hi, mnemoc. I'm fine here, while watch how the project is going:)
03:53 < mnemoc> do you like what you see?
03:54 < ideal> Sure. But I don't know what I can do for it:)
03:55 < mnemoc> what do you do? or what do you want to do?
03:56 < ideal> In frankly, what I did is on software-software. I haven't touched about software-hardware:)
03:57 < mnemoc> this is mostly software-software :)
03:58 < ideal> :)
04:57 < rxr> hm - somehow all my Terminal.app instances vanished on this osx ...
04:59 < rxr> mnemoc: no mail ;-?
04:59 * rxr soon off ...
05:53 < jsaw> oh damn is it late. And I should still continue writing this paper... oh my...
05:55 < jsaw> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 66.67% (24 hits, 12 misses)
05:55 < jsaw> stuff like this is really nice for a first time build (here libgpg-error)
05:59 < jsaw> <- fallen asleep
06:03 * rxr too
06:03 < rxr> but /me in bed now ... - cu
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06:04 < valentin> me too last svn ci for today
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06:16 < valentin> to much OSX and no t2 makes valentin a dull boy ...
06:16 < valentin> gn8
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13:08 < rxr> moin
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13:35 < rxr> hi mipe
13:47 < mipe> hi rxr
13:55 < rxr> ah - puh
13:55 < rxr> back in Linux - how i missed that ...
14:05 < mipe> rxr:is it safe to put O dietlibc in config, dietlibc fails on cross compile
14:08 < rxr> for a normal build yes
14:14 < mnemoc> moin
14:15 < mnemoc> rxr: i wasn't able to make that wiki run lastnight, i'll continue now
14:17 < rxr> no problem ...
14:23 < ideal> morning
14:32 < mipe> btw. when installing(stone) and its asking roots password it doesnt set it, gives auth failed. and the /etc/default.vcfont and default.keymap isnt setted right by stone
14:32 < mnemoc> hi mipe
14:34 < mipe> hi mnemoc
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15:50 < rxr> edre
15:50 < rxr> gsmp onlien again
15:53 < rxr> VPN up - mirrors synced ..
15:59 < mnemoc> hi rxr
15:59 < mnemoc> wiki is running (kwiki)
16:00 < mnemoc> will you point wiki.t2-p.o to my machine?
16:00 < rxr> my take some miuntu
16:00 < rxr> minutes
16:01 < rxr> yours has a static IP ?
16:01 < mnemoc> that machine yes
16:01 < mnemoc> t2.geeks.cl
16:01 < rxr> IP ?
16:01 < mnemoc> 200.29.23.154
16:02 < rxr> th said up in 2nds ...
16:03 < rxr> reminds me I have to pay a bill ...
16:03 < rxr> online ?
16:04 < mnemoc> ok
16:04 < mnemoc> online?
16:04 < rxr> $ ping wiki.t2-project.org
16:04 < rxr> PING wiki.t2-project.org (200.29.23.154): 56 octets data
16:04 < rxr> 64 octets from 200.29.23.154: icmp_seq=0 ttl=34 time=817.7 ms
16:05 < mnemoc> uhm
16:05 < mnemoc> bad int'l like
16:05 < mnemoc> but it's just a wiki :)
16:05 < rxr> 64 octets from 200.29.23.154: icmp_seq=2 ttl=34 time=462.5 ms
16:05 < mnemoc> ping wiki.t2-project.org
16:05 < mnemoc> PING wiki.t2-project.org (200.29.23.154): 56 octets data
16:05 < mnemoc> 64 octets from 200.29.23.154: icmp_seq=0 ttl=64 time=0.1 ms
16:05 < rxr> it is correct that the page is blank ?
16:05 < mnemoc> yes
16:06 < rxr> ok
16:06 < rxr> much fun announcing it
16:06 < mnemoc> :D
16:06 < mnemoc> mom
16:06 < mnemoc> i'll add a virtualserver now
16:06 < mnemoc> virtualhost*
16:06 < rxr> I think I'll have time to migrate the www. content soon as well as add xmlrpc thing
16:10 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. release plan mail?
16:10 < mnemoc> yes
16:10 < mnemoc> minutes
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16:27 < rxr> so - me away
16:42 < jsaw> re
16:42 < mnemoc> re jsaw
16:43 < jsaw> hi mnemoc
17:17 < rxr> re
17:17 < rxr> hi jsaw
17:19 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0501/35567.html
17:20 < rxr> so - /me doing the dishes ...
17:20 < rxr> nearly nothing left in the cupboard ...
17:21 < rxr> and my first meal of the day ... .OO
17:25 < jsaw> hi rxr
17:37 < mnemoc> why the $F fn->suspend is just together to alt-f1!!!
17:52 < rxr> what?
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18:16 < jsaw> going home. cu late(r)
18:18 < mnemoc_> cu jsaw
18:52 < rxr> Syslinux 3.06 (Release)
18:52 < rxr> ???
18:55 < mnemoc_> oh
18:55 < mnemoc_> they move fast
19:33 < rxr> erhm
19:33 < rxr> the wohle cia site looks pretty much down ...
19:36 < mnemoc_> mr. cia is on business trip and nobody can contact him :\
19:36 < rxr> on the page the mail message passing is still listed - so I do not mess with the xml rpc thing until the site is functional again ...
19:37 < rxr> t2 stable release get's detailed, because ...
19:37 < rxr> ... CIA-* is missing ;-)
19:38 < mnemoc_> :)
19:38 < mnemoc_> damn suexec crap!!!
19:39 < rxr> ?
19:40 < mnemoc_> ==> /var/opt/apache/logs/suexec_log <==
19:40 < mnemoc_> [2005-01-10 15:23:18]: user mismatch (http instead of 80)
19:40 < mnemoc_> but http _is_ 80 stupid program!
19:41 < rxr> damn - I'm tired
19:41 < mnemoc_> i'm hungry
19:41 < mnemoc_> and angry :p
19:41 < rxr> angry ?
19:41 < rxr> due to suexect ?
19:42 < rxr> should I also migrate the SVN repository from svn.exactcode.de/t2 ?
19:42 < rxr> or can it stay there ?
19:43 < mnemoc_> exactcode sponsors us with an svn repo ;)
19:43 < rxr> ok - good - less work ...
19:43 < mnemoc_> yes, angry due to suexec and about 10 hours fighting with this _CRAP_
19:43 < rxr> then I might migrate the www stuff tonight - it it is just that ..
19:43 < rxr> ouch
19:43 < mnemoc_> and #apache people ignoring me
19:45 < rxr> so now typing on the bed ...
19:45 < rxr> sorry - never had to use suexec so far ...
19:46 < mnemoc_> i'll have to run this wiki under http/http :(
19:53 < rxr> I need voice recognition ...
19:53 < mnemoc_> yawn recognition? ;)
19:53 < rxr> ?
19:54 < rxr> nope - like: Computer: log into haudraufinix password xyz lookup the t2 source tree and adapt the failing package configuration for the recently detected regressions ...
19:54 < mnemoc_> damn - I'm tired I need voice recognition
19:54 < rxr> hehe
19:54 < rxr> nope - just because typing in the bed is not that perfect ..
19:55 < mnemoc_> :)
19:55 < rxr> I need such a star trek style copmuter
19:55 < rxr> computer even
19:55 < rxr> those that do all alone ... ;-)
20:05 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/www-t2
20:05 < rxr> open in some seconds
20:07 < mnemoc_> wiki.t2-project.org running
20:07 < mnemoc_> it needs style too :)
20:08 < rxr> btw the wiki is fast enought for now out of germany ...
20:08 < rxr> clifford typo3 was far slower ...
20:08 < rxr> +'s ....
20:08 < mnemoc_> :D
20:09 < rxr> btw. some crazzy guys at the universty slammed a laptop LCD display today ...
20:09 < rxr> testing what it need to destroy it - like dropping onto the floor and slamming at table edges ...
20:20 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/www-t2/
20:23 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org
20:38 < rxr> those are now all redirecting ...
20:38 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/t2/
20:47 < rxr> so - this must be enough server config for tonight
20:47 < rxr> of course the menu stuff and co will be polished on the t2 site - a bit later
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21:34 < rxr> ok - new pacvk
21:34 < rxr> package matrix url generation seems to work fine, t oo...
21:40 < mnemoc_> rehi
21:42 < rxr> hi
21:48 < mnemoc_> rxr: i tryed on a hp server tc-somthing piv i got and linurc ends in that part too
21:48 < mnemoc_> (bootdisk)
21:48 < rxr> you mean ends with the wrong code there ?
21:49 < mnemoc_> yep
21:52 < rxr> hm - somehow I do not get why xmule does not compile
21:52 < rxr> maybe dompiler bug ...
21:53 < rxr> or I'm blind tonight ..
21:53 < mnemoc_> skip it to tomorrow ;)
21:54 < rxr> hm - the wxwidget wxString changes break quite a few packages ..
21:55 < mnemoc_> yep
21:55 < mnemoc_> but others need it
21:55 < rxr> yeah - yes, I already got this and threw the local downdate away ...
21:56 < rxr> well - ok - quick grep:
21:56 < rxr> 5-audacity.err
21:56 < rxr> 5-xmule.err
21:56 < mnemoc_> only two? ;)
22:00 < rxr> quick grep ...
22:00 < rxr> cu - maybe later - but maybe in bed ...
22:09 < mnemoc_> cu rxr}
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22:55 * rxr a bit back
22:56 -!- sparc-kly changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.0-beta2 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
22:56 < rxr> ;-)
23:03 < mnemoc_> :D
23:18 < rxr> argggh
23:18 < rxr> or better
23:18 < rxr> arrrrght
23:20 < mnemoc_> uhm?
23:20 < rxr> wxHell ...
23:23 < mnemoc_> :)
23:26 < rxr> hm - I just read on google disabling unicode support should get them compile ...
23:26 < rxr> uhm ...
23:31 < jsaw> rxr: what is "explicit" actually doing if I add it to a constructor?
23:35 < rxr> saying that the types must match 100% and the compiler should not try to convert them
23:35 < jsaw> so, me trying if explicit wxString(wxChar ch, size_t nRepeat = 1) saves the day...
23:35 < jsaw> (wx/string.h)
23:36 < rxr> i tried it
23:36 < rxr> did not work out ..
23:36 < jsaw> what was the error then?
23:36 < rxr> but please retry if you are at it - maybe me to overworked ..
23:37 < jsaw> ok.
23:37 < jsaw> but don't expect too much, overworked too ;)
23:37 < rxr> by using the keyword explicit, you can prophibit a single argument constructor from defining an automatic type convertion
23:38 < rxr> hm ...
23:38 * rxr thought it did moer
23:38 < rxr> more even
23:38 < jsaw> at least it worked with wxString(int)
23:38 < jsaw> which is in private anyway.
23:39 < rxr> oh - an interesting idea - I had not tried it there ...
23:39 < jsaw> I mean, xmule failed still,
23:39 < jsaw> but with a different warning:
23:39 < jsaw> mixing (const char*) and (wxChar,size_t) constructors
23:40 < rxr> stroustroup also say: only for single argument ctors to prevent automatic type convertion assignment ...
23:40 * rxr evenihng dinner ...
23:40 < jsaw> oh, must use wxT(...)
23:40 < jsaw> for every string if using unicode...
23:43 < jsaw> some lines miss this...in xmule
23:55 < rxr> hm - when it is "only" wxT() what needs to be all maybe patching it everywhere might fix those packages ...
23:56 < jsaw> about to try. have to wait until thunderbird is finished.
23:57 < jsaw> but I wonder if wxString(int) still needs explicit - as wxChar being long or so?
--- Log closed Tue Jan 11 00:00:46 2005