T2 IRC Log: 2005-01-27

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--- Log opened Thu Jan 27 00:00:46 2005
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00:12 < Postal> Hey
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00:26 < jsaw> hmmm...
00:29 < CIA-10> jsaw * r5805 /trunk/package/scientific/comedi/ (. comedi.conf comedi.desc): * userspace part of comedi (0.7.22)
00:29 < _Ragnar_> rehi
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00:41 < Postal> is anyone around?
00:41 < jsaw> _Ragnar_ and me
00:41 < Postal> Ok, good now is working
00:41 < jsaw> irssi?
00:41 < Postal> i really dont like this centericq
00:42 < Postal> But as long as it works i suppose
00:43 < jsaw> :|
00:44 < Postal> When i try ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -cfg system "any package" it says "Packages scheduled to build:" and then wont do anything...
00:45 < jsaw> Oh. Well... never used Emerge-Pkg.
00:46 < Postal> What do you do when you want to install a package in the repository?
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00:48 < jsaw> Build-Pkg
00:48 < Postal> what is the diff between Build-Pkg and Emerge-Pkg
00:48 < jsaw> Emerge-Pkg checks and builds the dependencies, while Build-Pkg simply builds the package given as arg
00:49 < Postal> Well isnt it better to have all the deps..?
00:49 < jsaw> yes.
00:49 < jsaw> You can insert a "set -x" in the Emerge-Pkg and see where it hangs...?
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00:50 < Postal> where would i insert this set -x?
00:50 -!- daja77 [[68kg0qZ1V@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #t2
00:51 < jsaw> after "#!/bin/bash"
00:51 < Postal> ok
00:53 < Postal> It did not tell me anything...
00:53 < jsaw> no output?
00:54 < Postal> it just gave me output with a "+" in front of the command... then went through with the command, and exited to a promt... but it still did not try and install or download a package
00:55 < Postal> should i just use build-pkg?
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00:56 < Postal> jsaw, does Build-Pkg download the package for me?
00:56 < jsaw> In your case I'd wait for rxr. Build-Pkg may be way more work if you have to check the deps manually.
00:57 < jsaw> Postal: no
00:57 < jsaw> "./scripts/Download -required" will download all sources for your config
00:57 < jsaw> "./scripts/Download pkg-name" the sources for that package
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01:01 < Postal> I just does not make sense, Emerge-Pkg, was working not 5 min ago..
01:02 < jsaw> ???
01:03 < jsaw> try a "./scripts/Config -cfg system -oldconfig"
01:05 < Postal> why does everything have that "+" in front of it now, how do i get rid of that
01:06 < Postal> oh its gone now
01:06 < Postal> just had to log out and back in again
01:07 < jsaw> remove the "set -x" again.
01:13 < Postal> It just does not make sense
01:30 < jsaw> I'm sorry, I too tired to continue... have to sleep
01:30 < jsaw> cu later.
01:31 < Postal> cu jsaw
01:31 < _Ragnar_> cya
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06:17 < rxr> moin
06:17 < _Ragnar_> moin moin
06:20 < rxr> mon _Ragnar_
06:25 < _Ragnar_> how's the 64bits?
06:40 < rxr> well - x86-64 should bo ok - my sparc is a bit - well - untested
06:40 < rxr> since it appears nearly noone is using 64 bit userspace on sparc ...
06:42 < _Ragnar_> *g*
06:42 < _Ragnar_> I wouldn't be so sure about the x86-64
06:43 < rxr> well - there major distributions are shipping it ... so ...
06:44 < rxr> sparc64 feels like linux in 1997 or so - where it was normal the stuff was halfly finished and need minor fixing ... *g*
06:45 < _Ragnar_> =)
06:46 < _Ragnar_> well I slapped a gentoo stage3 on the machine to finally be able to get _anything_ compiled at all (read: the cross compiling needs a lot of work)
07:20 < rxr> what do you exactly mean =
07:21 < rxr> cross building t2 x86-64 on gentoo does not work ?
07:54 < CIA-10> rene * r5806 /trunk/package/kde/qt/ (install-qmake.patch qt.desc): * updated qt (3.3.3 -> 3.3.4)
08:10 < CIA-10> rene * r5807 /trunk/architecture/ (8 files in 2 dirs):
08:10 < CIA-10> * split powerpc64 out of powerpc (was not really implemented anyway)
08:10 < CIA-10> (archtest.out values for poawerpc64 guessed, needs update once we
08:10 < CIA-10> actually build it)
08:18 < CIA-10> rene * r5808 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/gcc-options: * tiny sparc64 gcc-options cleanup
08:19 < CIA-10> rene * r5809 /trunk/architecture/ (11 files in 2 dirs): * split x86-64 out of x86 - untested
08:20 < rxr> :q!
08:23 < CIA-10> rene * r5810 /trunk/architecture/ (12 files in 2 dirs):
08:23 < CIA-10> * split hppa64 out of hppa and fixed serveral variable names including
08:23 < CIA-10> SPARC due to someone at ROCK times copied it from sparc and did
08:23 < CIA-10> never actually did something with it ... ;-)
08:31 < CIA-10> rene * r5811 /trunk/architecture/ (11 files in 11 dirs):
08:31 < CIA-10> * architecture selection name polishing and unification (remove junk
08:31 < CIA-10> like "Generic", "Machine" or "Workstation")
08:35 < CIA-10> rene * r5812 /trunk/architecture/ (13 files in 12 dirs):
08:35 < CIA-10> * substituted unknown with t2 for architecture triplets (better look
08:35 < CIA-10> and feel and marketing / PR)
08:44 < _Ragnar_> hi
08:45 < rxr> hi ;-)
08:45 * _Ragnar_ yawns
08:45 < rxr> cool - snowning again ,-)
08:46 < _Ragnar_> ;)
08:56 < rxr> _Ragnar_: what is your schedule to post your uclibc patches =
09:07 < CIA-10> rene * r5813 /trunk/package/ (44 files in 44 dirs):
09:07 < CIA-10> * updated the *.desc [R] tags due to the performed 64bit architecture
09:07 < CIA-10> split and replaced ROCKCFG_X86_BITS conditionals as well as mark
09:07 < CIA-10> the nvidia package correctly as x86 only (instead of an ugly hack in
09:07 < CIA-10> the postlinux.conf to not build it at build time)
09:09 < _Ragnar_> rxr: I want to fix some more packages, then I want to rebuild everything I have up to now, and make a list of the packages that don't work, and if I can determine, why they don't
09:10 < rxr> _Ragnar_: maybe the current patches can be backuped in trunk already?
09:10 < rxr> just to be on the safe side ;-)?
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09:17 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta2 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | CIA, don't ever leave us again!
09:17 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Wed Jan 12 03:04:43 2005]
09:17 [Users #t2]
09:17 [ _Ragnar_] [ ideal ] [ nzg ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
09:17 [ CIA-10 ] [ jsaw ] [ Postal ] [ rxr_ ]
09:17 [ daja77 ] [ mnemoc_] [ praenti] [ sparc-kly]
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09:18 < rxr_> damn reconnects ...
09:18 < rxr_> _Ragnar_: did you post s.th. while I was done?
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09:20 < _Ragnar_> 001244 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
09:20 < _Ragnar_> 001306 < _Ragnar_> this raid won't stop working so easily ;)
09:20 < _Ragnar_> 001352 < _Ragnar_> I'd like to go through some of the changes with mnemoc first, since the current sed-patching for config.sub & co should probably be reworked
09:20 < _Ragnar_> 001509 * _Ragnar_ wonders where he is
09:20 < rxr> well - sure - just fears some rm -rf might wipe your work ;-
09:25 < _Ragnar_> =)
09:26 < _Ragnar_> anyway, I need to crash
09:26 < _Ragnar_> I'll try to get a patch tomorrow
09:26 < rxr> crash?
09:26 < _Ragnar_> yeah, fall into bed
09:26 < _Ragnar_> <-- tired
09:26 < rxr> ;-) sleep well, cu then ...
09:26 < _Ragnar_> the packages get more difficult to fix every day :/
09:26 < _Ragnar_> thanks;) have a nice day
09:27 < rxr> and you a nice night!
09:27 < _Ragnar_> =) nini
09:58 * rxr wasting neurons dumping 8051 crap into my brain ...
10:28 < CIA-10> rene * r5814 /trunk/package/x11/nvidia/nvidia.conf: * removed the manual x86-64 exclusion from nvidia.conf, too
10:37 < rxr> how i hate when silo is unable to load the sparc64 kernel
10:37 < rxr> due to the size - and I can not find much I can disable ...
10:39 < rxr> rebuilding with -Os ..
10:58 < rxr> cu - off to burocracy ...
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14:37 < rxr> re
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15:40 < madtux> hi.
15:41 < daja77> hi madtux
15:41 < rxr> hi madtux
15:41 < daja77> anders were looking for you yesterday in the rock chan
15:41 < madtux> good day Mr. Daniel
15:42 < madtux> daja77: oh will try to reach him thank you so much for the advice sir.
15:42 < madtux> hi rxr
15:42 < daja77> np
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16:41 < rxr> CIA ?
16:42 < CIA-10> rene * r5816 /trunk/package/network/openldap/openldap.init:
16:42 < CIA-10> Michael Tross :
16:42 < CIA-10> * fixed openldap sysv init script syntax error due to needless "&"
16:44 < CIA-10> rene * r5817 /trunk/package/multimedia/vlc/vlc.desc:
16:44 < CIA-10> Michael Tross :
16:44 < CIA-10> * updated vlc (0.8.0 -> 0.8.1)
16:45 < CIA-10> rene * r5818 /trunk/package/contrib/directfb/ (directfb.conf directfb.desc):
16:45 < CIA-10> Michael Tross :
16:45 < CIA-10> * update directfb (CVS -> 0.9.21)
16:45 < CIA-10> * cleanup linux_input references to old path layout
16:46 < CIA-10> rene * r5819 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg:
16:46 < CIA-10> Michael Tross :
16:46 < CIA-10> * improved the package summary file generation to not have a "ROCK
16:46 < CIA-10> Maintainer(s)" tag ;-)
16:48 < CIA-10> rene * r5820 /tags/2.1.0-beta3/ (6 files in 5 dirs):
16:48 < CIA-10> * merged -r5815:HEAD from trunk into 2.1.0-beta3: "various fixes"
16:48 < CIA-10> from Michael Tross
16:49 < jsaw> re
16:50 < rxr> hi jsaw !
16:51 < jsaw> hi rxr!
16:51 < jsaw> rxr: what's the format of the [R] tag if I want to add x86_64 to nvidia?
16:52 < rxr> [R] + x86 x86-64
16:52 < jsaw> the content of arch_machine is also x86-64 in the latter case?
16:53 < rxr> oehm
16:54 < rxr> arch_machine="x86_64"
16:54 < jsaw> ok. another question, what's about ia64?
16:54 < rxr> and nvidia ?
16:54 < rxr> or in general ?
16:54 < jsaw> in general
16:54 < rxr> no hardware ...
16:54 < jsaw> I mean the arch_machine content then
16:55 < rxr> intel was quite amazed about s.th. as ROCK Linux last Cebit to get their ia64 going ...
16:55 < rxr> they wanted to hand hardware ...
16:55 < jsaw> oh
16:55 < rxr> but the contact person this managering from New York gave me did not exist in munich ...
16:55 < rxr> and I have no card from here since they did not had one left ... :-(
16:56 < jsaw> again, what's arch_machine then?
16:56 < rxr> ia64 ?
16:56 < rxr> arch_machine=ia64
16:56 < rxr> # cat architecture/ia64/archtest.out
16:56 < jsaw> okay.. adding these (sadly untested) drivers for nvidia
16:56 < jsaw> I c
16:57 < rxr> do we need conditional .desc files - or do you think (until 3.0 or so) downloading all files is ok ?
16:57 < rxr> jsaw: did you got response from the AMD contacts ?
16:57 < jsaw> downloading all files.
16:57 < jsaw> rxr: actually I had no calm second to write a decent letter yet :(
16:58 < rxr> do you think conditional desc files are reasonable in the future - or just cruft?
16:58 < rxr> ouch
16:59 < jsaw> hmmm. How many packages would need conditional .desc's? Maybe java, flexlm (though it's not there, still on my TODO to copy it back), nvidia, what else?
17:00 < jsaw> Not that many to justify .desc complication I'd say... not sure
17:00 < rxr> the to be packaged ati and matrox things ...
17:00 < rxr> valgrind
17:00 < rxr> (until ppc support is merged upstream)
17:00 < jsaw> If the number exceeds, say 2%, it might be worth it.
17:01 < rxr> ok - so no until 3.0 or so ...
17:01 < jsaw> yep.. I think that's reasonable.
17:01 * rxr really happy about the arch split off - I hope I did not broke too much
17:02 < jsaw> rxr: have you read the bootable CD with grub on pro-linux?
17:03 < rxr> no
17:04 < jsaw> http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2005/7752.html
17:04 < rxr> do you consider migrating - let's think about pro's and con's ...
17:04 < rxr> pro: you could chainload and existing system, no?
17:05 < jsaw> I'm not yet at the point to actually implement it. But I might try it with uboot.
17:05 < jsaw> rxr: yep
17:05 < rxr> I think this is not possible with isolinux (without hacking)
17:05 < rxr> we really need to factor the boot code out of the bootdisk thing ...
17:05 < rxr> so the livecd and router do not need to reimplement it
17:05 < rxr> and it "automatically" works on any T2 supported arch ...
17:06 < rxr> we could then even have x86-lilo x86-isolinux and x86-grub ...
17:09 < rxr> my the h*ll does my sparc rebuild the wohle kernel - I just changed a few minor options ... :-(
17:11 < rxr> jsaw: do you know what's up with mnemoc?
17:13 < jsaw> no. ?|
17:15 < rxr> hm
17:16 < rxr> already some days passed when he last joined ...
17:17 < jsaw> he said he'll be back after weekend - but the way he said did not sound so nice. But now even two days have passed.
17:18 < rxr> yep
17:19 * rxr hoping he is no in some kinda trouble
17:19 < jsaw> yeah
17:24 < rxr> my university sparc is now up: 2 days, 5:46
17:25 < jsaw> family calling... going home, cu later
17:26 < rxr> Finished downloading 27425338 bytes in 3.325 seconds (8249182.000 bytes/sec).
17:26 < rxr> cu jsaw
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17:38 < madtux> re
17:44 < rxr> hi madtux
17:49 < rxr> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3428616 Jan 27 16:51 vmlinux
17:49 < rxr> ok- that should be loadable ;-)
18:05 < rxr> just recomplained about the properitary binary driver at ATI ...
18:25 < CIA-10> rene * r5821 /tags/2.1.0-beta3/package/x11/matrox-mtx/ (7 files): * first step to package matrox-mtx (nvidia copy)
18:26 < CIA-10> rene * r5822 /tags/2.1.0-beta3/package/x11/matrox-mtx/ (6 files): * matrox-mtx file renamed and .desc filled
18:28 * madtux just made cookies.. getting some milk to eat them :)
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18:41 < valentin> our provider just informed me that there may be several downtimes tonight
18:41 < rxr> valentin: you post it to the list ?
18:41 < madtux> did they say the reason?
18:41 < madtux> hell valentin btw
18:41 < valentin> severe security leak in their core routers
18:42 < madtux> fine
18:42 < valentin> rxr: it is in german, so....
18:42 < rxr> I mean in your own english words ;-)
18:42 < madtux> *g*
18:43 < valentin> the best thing is: that mail contains a link to the advisory so every script kid can start hacking before they finished the updates *g*
18:43 < rxr> oh - so we know what routers the use now ;-)
18:43 < rxr> cisco ?
18:44 < valentin> Juniper Networks
18:44 < rxr> aha
18:45 < _Ragnar_> good mornin'
18:45 < rxr> # check for superuser mode
18:45 < rxr> if ! test -r /proc/kmsg ; then
18:45 < rxr> ?
18:45 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_
18:46 < _Ragnar_> valentin: which bugs? ;)
18:49 < rxr> oh - shit
18:49 < rxr> I accidently committed the matrox-mtx stuff in the 2.1.0-beta3 branch - shit
18:52 < _Ragnar_> ?
18:54 < valentin> _Ragnar_: http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/409555
19:01 < _Ragnar_> oh okay
19:17 < CIA-10> rene * r5823 /tags/2.1.0-beta3/package/x11/matrox-mtx/ (extract.diff matrox-mtx.conf postlinux.conf): * final matrox-mtx (for now no postlinux.conf)
19:19 < CIA-10> rene * r5824 / (2 files in 2 dirs):
19:19 < CIA-10> * moved the matrox-mtx pacakge (accidently committed into the
19:19 < CIA-10> 2.1.0-beta3 branch) into trunk
19:20 < CIA-10> rene * r5825 /trunk/package/contrib/directfb/linux_input.patch: * added forgotten to add directfb/linux_input.patch
19:21 < CIA-10> rene * r5826 /tags/2.1.0-beta3/package/contrib/directfb/linux_input.patch:
19:21 < CIA-10> * merged r5824:5825 from trunk into 2.1.0-beta3 (forgotten
19:21 < CIA-10> directfb/linux_input.patch)
19:33 < _Ragnar_> uhm
19:33 < _Ragnar_> what is a --tag=CC option to libtool supposed to do?
19:34 < rxr> IIRC it selects the mode (compile, link, ...) libtool is run in
19:35 < rxr> but I hate libtool and auto* like the plague
19:35 < _Ragnar_> --mode selects the mode ..
19:35 < _Ragnar_> hmmm
19:35 < _Ragnar_> yeah I can see why you hate 'em
19:37 < rxr> next write access handed out ...
19:37 < rxr> to mtr
19:37 < rxr> _Ragnar_: do you want write access, too ?
19:38 * _Ragnar_ wouldn't mind ;)
19:55 < rxr> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/27/apple_site_powerbook_g5/
19:57 < rxr> if this is true it might affect my this years hardware schedule ... ;-)
20:00 < _Ragnar_> ooh ;) nice
20:31 < rxr> so - cu
20:36 < _Ragnar_> where you going?:)
22:12 < jsaw> hmm. gcc compiled in 1.5min...
22:12 < jsaw> while 6 of 8 processors were busy.
22:13 < jsaw> ...let's see if somebody objects when I carry it home...
22:26 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
22:26 < jsaw> hehe
22:26 < jsaw> hi _Ragnar_
22:26 < _Ragnar_> hi jsaw ;)
22:26 < jsaw> on the other hand, who wants Itanium...
22:28 < _Ragnar_> I wouldn't mind ;)
22:29 < jsaw> Do you know enough german to understand this: "Einem geschenkten Gaul wuerde ich nicht ins Maul schauen." ?
22:30 < _Ragnar_> I'm german
22:30 < jsaw> oh...
22:30 * jsaw hides
22:31 < jsaw> _Ragnar_: what are you doing over there?
22:32 < _Ragnar_> working
22:32 < jsaw> <- hopes to convince wife to go abroad for at the least 1 or 2 years...
22:33 < _Ragnar_> yeah
22:33 < _Ragnar_> well it helped that I got my bf a job in the same company, too;)
22:33 < jsaw> :)
22:34 < jsaw> actually I have to if I want to stay in science...
22:36 < _Ragnar_> how so?
22:36 < jsaw> what's "Wanderschaft" in english?
22:37 < _Ragnar_> dunno
22:38 < jsaw> It's expected that you go on the tramp (=wanderschaft ?)
22:39 < _Ragnar_> oh okay
22:39 < _Ragnar_> die waltz
22:40 < jsaw> coffee..brb
22:41 < _Ragnar_> k
23:05 < jsaw> re
23:47 < CIA-10> jsaw * r5827 /trunk/package/audio/libshout/libshout.desc: * fix incorrect (outdated?) download location
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23:58 < jsaw> gn8 all
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