--- Log opened Thu Jan 27 00:00:46 2005 00:08 -!- Postal [~root@ool-43562131.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2 00:12 < Postal> Hey 00:12 -!- Postal [~root@ool-43562131.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:24 -!- Postal [~root@ool-43562131.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2 00:24 -!- Postal [~root@ool-43562131.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:24 -!- Postal [~root@ool-43562131.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2 00:24 -!- Postal [~root@ool-43562131.dyn.optonline.net] has left #t2 [] 00:26 < jsaw> hmmm... 00:29 < CIA-10> jsaw * r5805 /trunk/package/scientific/comedi/ (. comedi.conf comedi.desc): * userspace part of comedi (0.7.22) 00:29 < _Ragnar_> rehi 00:38 -!- Postal [~root@ool-43562131.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2 00:38 -!- Postal [~root@ool-43562131.dyn.optonline.net] has left #t2 [] 00:40 -!- Postal [~root@ool-43562131.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2 00:41 < Postal> is anyone around? 00:41 < jsaw> _Ragnar_ and me 00:41 < Postal> Ok, good now is working 00:41 < jsaw> irssi? 00:41 < Postal> i really dont like this centericq 00:42 < Postal> But as long as it works i suppose 00:43 < jsaw> :| 00:44 < Postal> When i try ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -cfg system "any package" it says "Packages scheduled to build:" and then wont do anything... 00:45 < jsaw> Oh. Well... never used Emerge-Pkg. 00:46 < Postal> What do you do when you want to install a package in the repository? 00:47 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: daja77, praenti, nzg 00:48 < jsaw> Build-Pkg 00:48 < Postal> what is the diff between Build-Pkg and Emerge-Pkg 00:48 < jsaw> Emerge-Pkg checks and builds the dependencies, while Build-Pkg simply builds the package given as arg 00:49 < Postal> Well isnt it better to have all the deps..? 00:49 < jsaw> yes. 00:49 < jsaw> You can insert a "set -x" in the Emerge-Pkg and see where it hangs...? 00:50 -!- Netsplit over, joins: nzg 00:50 < Postal> where would i insert this set -x? 00:50 -!- daja77 [[68kg0qZ1V@odoaker.hrz.tu-chemnitz.de] has joined #t2 00:51 < jsaw> after "#!/bin/bash" 00:51 < Postal> ok 00:53 < Postal> It did not tell me anything... 00:53 < jsaw> no output? 00:54 < Postal> it just gave me output with a "+" in front of the command... then went through with the command, and exited to a promt... but it still did not try and install or download a package 00:55 < Postal> should i just use build-pkg? 00:55 -!- praenti [~praenti@82.139.198.99] has joined #t2 00:56 -!- praenti [~praenti@82.139.198.99] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:56 < Postal> jsaw, does Build-Pkg download the package for me? 00:56 < jsaw> In your case I'd wait for rxr. Build-Pkg may be way more work if you have to check the deps manually. 00:57 < jsaw> Postal: no 00:57 < jsaw> "./scripts/Download -required" will download all sources for your config 00:57 < jsaw> "./scripts/Download pkg-name" the sources for that package 00:58 -!- praenti [~praenti@82.139.198.99] has joined #t2 01:01 < Postal> I just does not make sense, Emerge-Pkg, was working not 5 min ago.. 01:02 < jsaw> ??? 01:03 < jsaw> try a "./scripts/Config -cfg system -oldconfig" 01:05 < Postal> why does everything have that "+" in front of it now, how do i get rid of that 01:06 < Postal> oh its gone now 01:06 < Postal> just had to log out and back in again 01:07 < jsaw> remove the "set -x" again. 01:13 < Postal> It just does not make sense 01:30 < jsaw> I'm sorry, I too tired to continue... have to sleep 01:30 < jsaw> cu later. 01:31 < Postal> cu jsaw 01:31 < _Ragnar_> cya 02:25 -!- ideal [~idealm@211.100.227.107] has joined #t2 05:15 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.32] has joined #t2 05:20 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.32] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:17 < rxr> moin 06:17 < _Ragnar_> moin moin 06:20 < rxr> mon _Ragnar_ 06:25 < _Ragnar_> how's the 64bits? 06:40 < rxr> well - x86-64 should bo ok - my sparc is a bit - well - untested 06:40 < rxr> since it appears nearly noone is using 64 bit userspace on sparc ... 06:42 < _Ragnar_> *g* 06:42 < _Ragnar_> I wouldn't be so sure about the x86-64 06:43 < rxr> well - there major distributions are shipping it ... so ... 06:44 < rxr> sparc64 feels like linux in 1997 or so - where it was normal the stuff was halfly finished and need minor fixing ... *g* 06:45 < _Ragnar_> =) 06:46 < _Ragnar_> well I slapped a gentoo stage3 on the machine to finally be able to get _anything_ compiled at all (read: the cross compiling needs a lot of work) 07:20 < rxr> what do you exactly mean = 07:21 < rxr> cross building t2 x86-64 on gentoo does not work ? 07:54 < CIA-10> rene * r5806 /trunk/package/kde/qt/ (install-qmake.patch qt.desc): * updated qt (3.3.3 -> 3.3.4) 08:10 < CIA-10> rene * r5807 /trunk/architecture/ (8 files in 2 dirs): 08:10 < CIA-10> * split powerpc64 out of powerpc (was not really implemented anyway) 08:10 < CIA-10> (archtest.out values for poawerpc64 guessed, needs update once we 08:10 < CIA-10> actually build it) 08:18 < CIA-10> rene * r5808 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/gcc-options: * tiny sparc64 gcc-options cleanup 08:19 < CIA-10> rene * r5809 /trunk/architecture/ (11 files in 2 dirs): * split x86-64 out of x86 - untested 08:20 < rxr> :q! 08:23 < CIA-10> rene * r5810 /trunk/architecture/ (12 files in 2 dirs): 08:23 < CIA-10> * split hppa64 out of hppa and fixed serveral variable names including 08:23 < CIA-10> SPARC due to someone at ROCK times copied it from sparc and did 08:23 < CIA-10> never actually did something with it ... ;-) 08:31 < CIA-10> rene * r5811 /trunk/architecture/ (11 files in 11 dirs): 08:31 < CIA-10> * architecture selection name polishing and unification (remove junk 08:31 < CIA-10> like "Generic", "Machine" or "Workstation") 08:35 < CIA-10> rene * r5812 /trunk/architecture/ (13 files in 12 dirs): 08:35 < CIA-10> * substituted unknown with t2 for architecture triplets (better look 08:35 < CIA-10> and feel and marketing / PR) 08:44 < _Ragnar_> hi 08:45 < rxr> hi ;-) 08:45 * _Ragnar_ yawns 08:45 < rxr> cool - snowning again ,-) 08:46 < _Ragnar_> ;) 08:56 < rxr> _Ragnar_: what is your schedule to post your uclibc patches = 09:07 < CIA-10> rene * r5813 /trunk/package/ (44 files in 44 dirs): 09:07 < CIA-10> * updated the *.desc [R] tags due to the performed 64bit architecture 09:07 < CIA-10> split and replaced ROCKCFG_X86_BITS conditionals as well as mark 09:07 < CIA-10> the nvidia package correctly as x86 only (instead of an ugly hack in 09:07 < CIA-10> the postlinux.conf to not build it at build time) 09:09 < _Ragnar_> rxr: I want to fix some more packages, then I want to rebuild everything I have up to now, and make a list of the packages that don't work, and if I can determine, why they don't 09:10 < rxr> _Ragnar_: maybe the current patches can be backuped in trunk already? 09:10 < rxr> just to be on the safe side ;-)? 09:17 -!- rxr_ [~rene@213.54.212.233] has joined #t2 09:17 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta2 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | CIA, don't ever leave us again! 09:17 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Wed Jan 12 03:04:43 2005] 09:17 [Users #t2] 09:17 [ _Ragnar_] [ ideal ] [ nzg ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 09:17 [ CIA-10 ] [ jsaw ] [ Postal ] [ rxr_ ] 09:17 [ daja77 ] [ mnemoc_] [ praenti] [ sparc-kly] 09:17 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 09:17 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 09:17 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 09:17 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 12 secs 09:18 < rxr_> damn reconnects ... 09:18 < rxr_> _Ragnar_: did you post s.th. while I was done? 09:19 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.212.171.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 09:19 -!- You're now known as rxr 09:20 < _Ragnar_> 001244 < _Ragnar_> *lol* 09:20 < _Ragnar_> 001306 < _Ragnar_> this raid won't stop working so easily ;) 09:20 < _Ragnar_> 001352 < _Ragnar_> I'd like to go through some of the changes with mnemoc first, since the current sed-patching for config.sub & co should probably be reworked 09:20 < _Ragnar_> 001509 * _Ragnar_ wonders where he is 09:20 < rxr> well - sure - just fears some rm -rf might wipe your work ;- 09:25 < _Ragnar_> =) 09:26 < _Ragnar_> anyway, I need to crash 09:26 < _Ragnar_> I'll try to get a patch tomorrow 09:26 < rxr> crash? 09:26 < _Ragnar_> yeah, fall into bed 09:26 < _Ragnar_> <-- tired 09:26 < rxr> ;-) sleep well, cu then ... 09:26 < _Ragnar_> the packages get more difficult to fix every day :/ 09:26 < _Ragnar_> thanks;) have a nice day 09:27 < rxr> and you a nice night! 09:27 < _Ragnar_> =) nini 09:58 * rxr wasting neurons dumping 8051 crap into my brain ... 10:28 < CIA-10> rene * r5814 /trunk/package/x11/nvidia/nvidia.conf: * removed the manual x86-64 exclusion from nvidia.conf, too 10:37 < rxr> how i hate when silo is unable to load the sparc64 kernel 10:37 < rxr> due to the size - and I can not find much I can disable ... 10:39 < rxr> rebuilding with -Os .. 10:58 < rxr> cu - off to burocracy ... 11:14 -!- lars [~lars@port-212-202-42-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #t2 11:15 -!- lars [~lars@port-212-202-42-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Client Quit] 11:44 -!- _Ragnar_ [loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:45 -!- _Ragnar_ [loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net] has joined #t2 13:06 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: daja77, jsaw, valentin, mnemoc_, _Ragnar_, Postal, ideal 13:06 -!- Netsplit over, joins: valentin, _Ragnar_, mnemoc_, ideal, daja77, Postal, jsaw 14:37 < rxr> re 15:28 -!- ideal [~idealm@211.100.227.107] has quit ["Leaving"] 15:40 -!- madtux [~mike@196.40.44.28] has joined #t2 15:40 < madtux> hi. 15:41 < daja77> hi madtux 15:41 < rxr> hi madtux 15:41 < daja77> anders were looking for you yesterday in the rock chan 15:41 < madtux> good day Mr. Daniel 15:42 < madtux> daja77: oh will try to reach him thank you so much for the advice sir. 15:42 < madtux> hi rxr 15:42 < daja77> np 16:20 -!- madtux [~mike@196.40.44.28] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 16:41 < rxr> CIA ? 16:42 < CIA-10> rene * r5816 /trunk/package/network/openldap/openldap.init: 16:42 < CIA-10> Michael Tross : 16:42 < CIA-10> * fixed openldap sysv init script syntax error due to needless "&" 16:44 < CIA-10> rene * r5817 /trunk/package/multimedia/vlc/vlc.desc: 16:44 < CIA-10> Michael Tross : 16:44 < CIA-10> * updated vlc (0.8.0 -> 0.8.1) 16:45 < CIA-10> rene * r5818 /trunk/package/contrib/directfb/ (directfb.conf directfb.desc): 16:45 < CIA-10> Michael Tross : 16:45 < CIA-10> * update directfb (CVS -> 0.9.21) 16:45 < CIA-10> * cleanup linux_input references to old path layout 16:46 < CIA-10> rene * r5819 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg: 16:46 < CIA-10> Michael Tross : 16:46 < CIA-10> * improved the package summary file generation to not have a "ROCK 16:46 < CIA-10> Maintainer(s)" tag ;-) 16:48 < CIA-10> rene * r5820 /tags/2.1.0-beta3/ (6 files in 5 dirs): 16:48 < CIA-10> * merged -r5815:HEAD from trunk into 2.1.0-beta3: "various fixes" 16:48 < CIA-10> from Michael Tross 16:49 < jsaw> re 16:50 < rxr> hi jsaw ! 16:51 < jsaw> hi rxr! 16:51 < jsaw> rxr: what's the format of the [R] tag if I want to add x86_64 to nvidia? 16:52 < rxr> [R] + x86 x86-64 16:52 < jsaw> the content of arch_machine is also x86-64 in the latter case? 16:53 < rxr> oehm 16:54 < rxr> arch_machine="x86_64" 16:54 < jsaw> ok. another question, what's about ia64? 16:54 < rxr> and nvidia ? 16:54 < rxr> or in general ? 16:54 < jsaw> in general 16:54 < rxr> no hardware ... 16:54 < jsaw> I mean the arch_machine content then 16:55 < rxr> intel was quite amazed about s.th. as ROCK Linux last Cebit to get their ia64 going ... 16:55 < rxr> they wanted to hand hardware ... 16:55 < jsaw> oh 16:55 < rxr> but the contact person this managering from New York gave me did not exist in munich ... 16:55 < rxr> and I have no card from here since they did not had one left ... :-( 16:56 < jsaw> again, what's arch_machine then? 16:56 < rxr> ia64 ? 16:56 < rxr> arch_machine=ia64 16:56 < rxr> # cat architecture/ia64/archtest.out 16:56 < jsaw> okay.. adding these (sadly untested) drivers for nvidia 16:56 < jsaw> I c 16:57 < rxr> do we need conditional .desc files - or do you think (until 3.0 or so) downloading all files is ok ? 16:57 < rxr> jsaw: did you got response from the AMD contacts ? 16:57 < jsaw> downloading all files. 16:57 < jsaw> rxr: actually I had no calm second to write a decent letter yet :( 16:58 < rxr> do you think conditional desc files are reasonable in the future - or just cruft? 16:58 < rxr> ouch 16:59 < jsaw> hmmm. How many packages would need conditional .desc's? Maybe java, flexlm (though it's not there, still on my TODO to copy it back), nvidia, what else? 17:00 < jsaw> Not that many to justify .desc complication I'd say... not sure 17:00 < rxr> the to be packaged ati and matrox things ... 17:00 < rxr> valgrind 17:00 < rxr> (until ppc support is merged upstream) 17:00 < jsaw> If the number exceeds, say 2%, it might be worth it. 17:01 < rxr> ok - so no until 3.0 or so ... 17:01 < jsaw> yep.. I think that's reasonable. 17:01 * rxr really happy about the arch split off - I hope I did not broke too much 17:02 < jsaw> rxr: have you read the bootable CD with grub on pro-linux? 17:03 < rxr> no 17:04 < jsaw> http://www.pro-linux.de/news/2005/7752.html 17:04 < rxr> do you consider migrating - let's think about pro's and con's ... 17:04 < rxr> pro: you could chainload and existing system, no? 17:05 < jsaw> I'm not yet at the point to actually implement it. But I might try it with uboot. 17:05 < jsaw> rxr: yep 17:05 < rxr> I think this is not possible with isolinux (without hacking) 17:05 < rxr> we really need to factor the boot code out of the bootdisk thing ... 17:05 < rxr> so the livecd and router do not need to reimplement it 17:05 < rxr> and it "automatically" works on any T2 supported arch ... 17:06 < rxr> we could then even have x86-lilo x86-isolinux and x86-grub ... 17:09 < rxr> my the h*ll does my sparc rebuild the wohle kernel - I just changed a few minor options ... :-( 17:11 < rxr> jsaw: do you know what's up with mnemoc? 17:13 < jsaw> no. ?| 17:15 < rxr> hm 17:16 < rxr> already some days passed when he last joined ... 17:17 < jsaw> he said he'll be back after weekend - but the way he said did not sound so nice. But now even two days have passed. 17:18 < rxr> yep 17:19 * rxr hoping he is no in some kinda trouble 17:19 < jsaw> yeah 17:24 < rxr> my university sparc is now up: 2 days, 5:46 17:25 < jsaw> family calling... going home, cu later 17:26 < rxr> Finished downloading 27425338 bytes in 3.325 seconds (8249182.000 bytes/sec). 17:26 < rxr> cu jsaw 17:37 -!- madtux [~mike@196.40.44.28] has joined #t2 17:38 < madtux> re 17:44 < rxr> hi madtux 17:49 < rxr> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3428616 Jan 27 16:51 vmlinux 17:49 < rxr> ok- that should be loadable ;-) 18:05 < rxr> just recomplained about the properitary binary driver at ATI ... 18:25 < CIA-10> rene * r5821 /tags/2.1.0-beta3/package/x11/matrox-mtx/ (7 files): * first step to package matrox-mtx (nvidia copy) 18:26 < CIA-10> rene * r5822 /tags/2.1.0-beta3/package/x11/matrox-mtx/ (6 files): * matrox-mtx file renamed and .desc filled 18:28 * madtux just made cookies.. getting some milk to eat them :) 18:28 -!- _Ragnar_ [loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net] has quit [Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)] 18:29 -!- _Ragnar_ [loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net] has joined #t2 18:41 < valentin> our provider just informed me that there may be several downtimes tonight 18:41 < rxr> valentin: you post it to the list ? 18:41 < madtux> did they say the reason? 18:41 < madtux> hell valentin btw 18:41 < valentin> severe security leak in their core routers 18:42 < madtux> fine 18:42 < valentin> rxr: it is in german, so.... 18:42 < rxr> I mean in your own english words ;-) 18:42 < madtux> *g* 18:43 < valentin> the best thing is: that mail contains a link to the advisory so every script kid can start hacking before they finished the updates *g* 18:43 < rxr> oh - so we know what routers the use now ;-) 18:43 < rxr> cisco ? 18:44 < valentin> Juniper Networks 18:44 < rxr> aha 18:45 < _Ragnar_> good mornin' 18:45 < rxr> # check for superuser mode 18:45 < rxr> if ! test -r /proc/kmsg ; then 18:45 < rxr> ? 18:45 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_ 18:46 < _Ragnar_> valentin: which bugs? ;) 18:49 < rxr> oh - shit 18:49 < rxr> I accidently committed the matrox-mtx stuff in the 2.1.0-beta3 branch - shit 18:52 < _Ragnar_> ? 18:54 < valentin> _Ragnar_: http://www.kb.cert.org/vuls/id/409555 19:01 < _Ragnar_> oh okay 19:17 < CIA-10> rene * r5823 /tags/2.1.0-beta3/package/x11/matrox-mtx/ (extract.diff matrox-mtx.conf postlinux.conf): * final matrox-mtx (for now no postlinux.conf) 19:19 < CIA-10> rene * r5824 / (2 files in 2 dirs): 19:19 < CIA-10> * moved the matrox-mtx pacakge (accidently committed into the 19:19 < CIA-10> 2.1.0-beta3 branch) into trunk 19:20 < CIA-10> rene * r5825 /trunk/package/contrib/directfb/linux_input.patch: * added forgotten to add directfb/linux_input.patch 19:21 < CIA-10> rene * r5826 /tags/2.1.0-beta3/package/contrib/directfb/linux_input.patch: 19:21 < CIA-10> * merged r5824:5825 from trunk into 2.1.0-beta3 (forgotten 19:21 < CIA-10> directfb/linux_input.patch) 19:33 < _Ragnar_> uhm 19:33 < _Ragnar_> what is a --tag=CC option to libtool supposed to do? 19:34 < rxr> IIRC it selects the mode (compile, link, ...) libtool is run in 19:35 < rxr> but I hate libtool and auto* like the plague 19:35 < _Ragnar_> --mode selects the mode .. 19:35 < _Ragnar_> hmmm 19:35 < _Ragnar_> yeah I can see why you hate 'em 19:37 < rxr> next write access handed out ... 19:37 < rxr> to mtr 19:37 < rxr> _Ragnar_: do you want write access, too ? 19:38 * _Ragnar_ wouldn't mind ;) 19:55 < rxr> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/27/apple_site_powerbook_g5/ 19:57 < rxr> if this is true it might affect my this years hardware schedule ... ;-) 20:00 < _Ragnar_> ooh ;) nice 20:31 < rxr> so - cu 20:36 < _Ragnar_> where you going?:) 22:12 < jsaw> hmm. gcc compiled in 1.5min... 22:12 < jsaw> while 6 of 8 processors were busy. 22:13 < jsaw> ...let's see if somebody objects when I carry it home... 22:26 < _Ragnar_> *lol* 22:26 < jsaw> hehe 22:26 < jsaw> hi _Ragnar_ 22:26 < _Ragnar_> hi jsaw ;) 22:26 < jsaw> on the other hand, who wants Itanium... 22:28 < _Ragnar_> I wouldn't mind ;) 22:29 < jsaw> Do you know enough german to understand this: "Einem geschenkten Gaul wuerde ich nicht ins Maul schauen." ? 22:30 < _Ragnar_> I'm german 22:30 < jsaw> oh... 22:30 * jsaw hides 22:31 < jsaw> _Ragnar_: what are you doing over there? 22:32 < _Ragnar_> working 22:32 < jsaw> <- hopes to convince wife to go abroad for at the least 1 or 2 years... 22:33 < _Ragnar_> yeah 22:33 < _Ragnar_> well it helped that I got my bf a job in the same company, too;) 22:33 < jsaw> :) 22:34 < jsaw> actually I have to if I want to stay in science... 22:36 < _Ragnar_> how so? 22:36 < jsaw> what's "Wanderschaft" in english? 22:37 < _Ragnar_> dunno 22:38 < jsaw> It's expected that you go on the tramp (=wanderschaft ?) 22:39 < _Ragnar_> oh okay 22:39 < _Ragnar_> die waltz 22:40 < jsaw> coffee..brb 22:41 < _Ragnar_> k 23:05 < jsaw> re 23:47 < CIA-10> jsaw * r5827 /trunk/package/audio/libshout/libshout.desc: * fix incorrect (outdated?) download location 23:48 -!- madtux [~mike@196.40.44.28] has quit ["leaving"] 23:58 < jsaw> gn8 all --- Log closed Fri Jan 28 00:00:46 2005