--- Log opened Sun Jan 30 00:00:46 2005
00:13 < _Ragnar_> rxr_: I'm getting '`TOOLCHAIN/localtime': File exists' after every package build;)
01:34 < Postal|Away>  hey all
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05:06 < Postal|Away> Hey all
06:37 < rxr_> moin
06:37 < rxr_> _Ragnar_: I also get this - and thought it would be some local sparc64 problem
06:37 < rxr_> _Ragnar_: which architecture ?
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06:56 < _Ragnar_> rxr: ix86-32-uclibc
07:01 < _Ragnar_> btw I got a build on a64 running right now
07:16 < rxr> I hope the new glibc23 package does not do too much harm on x86-64
07:16 < rxr> it is still untested
07:16 < rxr> but I will give it a try on sparc64 today
07:17 < _Ragnar_> new glibc? oh
07:17 < rxr> no 32bit libc for stuff like grub and silo build ,-)
07:17 < rxr> or other old binary only software
07:18 < _Ragnar_> ooh
07:18 < _Ragnar_> btw do you recommend to enable gcc multilib?
07:23 < rxr> ah - yes
07:23 < rxr> you should
07:23 < _Ragnar_> kay
07:23 < rxr> but I'll remove the option and hardwire it into the architecture config so you get it when you need it - and do not need to think  about it ...
07:24 < _Ragnar_> ^_^ good
09:04 < CIA-8> rene * r5850 /trunk/architecture/ (sparc64/gcc-options x86-64/gcc-options): 
09:04 < CIA-8> * fixed sparc64/gcc-options to use the correct ROCKCFG variable
09:04 < CIA-8> * fixed x86-64 to use GCC_WRAPPER_* and not the (to be removed) GCC3_*
09:06 < _Ragnar_> :)
09:06 < rxr> ^- commit from another sparc64 box ... ;-)
09:06 < rxr> soooo koool to have a working svn ;-)
09:06 < rxr> (and ping *g*)
09:07 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
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09:26 < _Ragnar_> and xorg still doesn't compile *grr*
09:26 < _Ragnar_> (for uclibc)
09:28 < rxr> :-(
09:29 < rxr> I bet you'll soon have it working ...
09:29 < rxr> _Ragnar_: btw commit anytime soon ?
09:30 < _Ragnar_> yeah
09:31 < _Ragnar_> should I commit each of the changes on its own, or all in one?
09:34 < rxr> well - depending if you want to cheat in this graph or not:
09:34 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/
09:34 < _Ragnar_> how do I do each anyway?
09:34 < rxr> I think all normal patches in one chunk should be fine ...
09:34 < rxr> svn commit one-file-to-commit
09:35 < _Ragnar_> then the log message?
09:36 < rxr> svn will fire up the $EDITOR
09:36 < _Ragnar_> yeah
09:36 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/svn-commit-tutorial.html
09:37 < rxr> please use this layout for the message:
09:37 < rxr> <tab>* the changes ...
09:37 < rxr> <tab>* the next change you have done ...
09:37 < rxr> when you have more than one change per message
09:39 < _Ragnar_> okay
09:39 < rxr> if you need inspiration:
09:39 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/ChangeLog-t2
09:39 < _Ragnar_> ;)
09:39 < rxr> ^- automatically prettified from the svn log ...
09:39 < _Ragnar_> how do I tell it to not try the commit as root?:)
09:39 < rxr> hit enter at the passwd promt
09:39 < rxr> it will ask for the user then
09:40 < _Ragnar_> ah okay
09:40 < _Ragnar_> ;) done
09:40 < CIA-8> ragnar * r5851 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/xorg.conf: * added calls to prepatch...postmake to xorg build script
09:41 < rxr> svn status is a nice help to check if forgotten files (read not added)  are lingering around
09:46 < CIA-8> ragnar * r5852 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/add_sinf_cosf.patch: 
09:46 < CIA-8> * uclibc lacks sinf/cosf calls which some programs (notably xorg) need.
09:46 < CIA-8>  Add wrapper functions to call respective sin/cos(double).
09:50 < _Ragnar_> can I do svn commit package/base/uclibc/patches/* ?
09:54 < rxr> svn commit package/base/uclibc/patches/
09:54 < rxr> ?
09:54 < rxr> possibly with a
09:54 < rxr> svn add package/base/uclibc/patches/*
09:54 < rxr> before ...
09:55 < _Ragnar_> okay;)
09:56 < CIA-8> ragnar * r5853 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/uclibc.conf: * Turn on some more features in uclibc to make more packages happy.
09:59 < CIA-8> ragnar * r5854 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/parse-config-9: 
09:59 < CIA-8> * Add linux-gnu -> linux-uclibc sed fixes for some more packages.
09:59 < CIA-8> * prevent shared file conflict about /usr/share/locale/locale.alias
10:00 < CIA-8> ragnar * r5855 /trunk/package/base/uclibc/patches/ (34 files): * add/modify patches for packages to compile with uclibc
10:01 < _Ragnar_> okay so far :)
10:02 < rxr> ;-) cool
10:57 < _Ragnar_> okay I'm off to bed
10:57 < _Ragnar_> goodnight
11:26 < rxr> sleep well _Ragnar_ 
13:04 < rxr> cu later
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15:27 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
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16:36 < CIA-8> rene * r5856 /tags/2.1.0-beta3/package/graphic/libmng/libmng.desc: * updated libmng (1.0.5 -> 1.0.9)
16:41 < CIA-8> rene * r5857 /trunk/package/graphic/libmng/libmng.desc: * merged r5856 from tags/2.1.0-beta3: updated libmng (1.0.5 -> 1.0.9)
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17:28 < maddin> hi again
17:37 < rxr> hi maddin 
17:37 < CIA-8> rene * r5858 /tags/2.1.0-beta3/package/base/dietlibc/dietlibc.conf: 
17:37 < CIA-8> * fixed dietlibc for powerpc (well, ...)
17:37 < CIA-8> * implemented native (hostlibc) diet - untested - but soon will
17:44 < rxr> GNU GRUB 0.96 
17:44 < CIA-8> rene * r5859 /trunk/package/graphic/inkscape/inkscape.desc: 
17:44 < CIA-8> * updated inkscape (0.40 -> 0.40-20050130) - this is an arbitrary
17:44 < CIA-8>  snapshot but it honours the hidden state of layers while exporting
17:44 < CIA-8>  ;-) However it has one new visible oddity and regressions for one
17:44 < CIA-8>  of my script usages ... :-(
17:46 < CIA-8> rene * r5860 /trunk/package/x86/grub/grub.desc: * updated grub (0.95 -> 0.96)
17:55 < maddin> hi rxr
18:02 < rxr> hi mnemoc, how are you ?
18:08 < jsaw> re
18:08 < rxr> hi jsaw !!!
18:08 < jsaw> hi rxr :)
18:09 < jsaw> mnemoc was not here, still?
18:10 < rxr> no - and I even sent him a "All ok?" mail with no response yet ... :-(((
18:11 < jsaw> hope that we misunderstood him and he meant this weekend...
18:11 < rxr> my mail was sent "01/29/2005 10:33 AM"
18:11 < jsaw> guess I should have committed my nvidia work before I left...
18:11 < rxr> yes!
18:12 < jsaw> damn...
18:12 < rxr> release often release early ;-)
18:13 < rxr> how war your weekend ?
18:13 < jsaw> was at my mom's place with marlene... I worked, they played ;)
18:16 < rxr> ;-)
18:17 < jsaw> only one minus (nvidia): patches do not apply to the ia64 package...
18:18 < rxr> .oO
18:18 < rxr> jsaw: have fun implementing some more patch apply code then ...
18:18 < rxr> jsaw: you have ia64 access now ?
18:22 < jsaw> we have a fresh altix machine with 8 ia64 on it running redhat/sgi.
18:23 < jsaw> 8Gig RAM...
18:23 < jsaw> nice.
18:23 < rxr> and you build t2 on it ?
18:23 < jsaw> sadly no root access...
18:23 < jsaw> It's a production (compute) server... 
18:24 < jsaw> Once I finished my PhD I'll ask if I may compile T2 on it...
18:24 < valentin> hi - everybody votes against replacing current graphviz maintainer (nazgul) by valentin ?
18:24 < valentin> s/everybody/anybody
18:25 < rxr> no - go ahead
18:33 < jsaw> dinner - cu later
18:33 < rxr> cu
18:35 < CIA-8> rene * r5861 /tags/2.1.0-beta3/package/base/dietlibc/hostlibc.diff: * one should better not forget to svn add files: dietlibc/hostlibc.diff
18:40 < nzg> valentin: do it
18:41 < nzg> i have no time to maintain it atm
18:41 < rxr> oh - nazgul was you?
18:41 < nzg> yep
18:41 < rxr> .oO
18:42 < rxr> sorry :-(
18:42 < rxr> did not match in my brain ... :-(((
18:42 < nzg> what for?
18:42 < rxr> nazgul ...
18:42 < maddin> hi, I need a little help with grep
18:42 < rxr> if you actively use it the maintainer must of course not be changed
18:42 < rxr> maddin: go ahead ;-)
18:43 < maddin> I will grep to *.zip *.pdf and more.
18:43 < nzg> i will use it again when i get the time to set up my laptop....
18:44 < maddin> rxr, there are two new hentries: http://stunk.tfh-berlin.de/apfelmus/
18:44 < rxr> maddin: grep some file for *.pdf and co ?
18:45 < maddin> grep String1|String2|String3 |=OR
18:46 < maddin> I know, I can use [ABC] for characters, but what can I use for strings?
18:50 < rxr> sorry - read your site ...
18:51 < maddin> It's okay. I have some minutes ...
18:52 < rxr> well - | should wok
18:52 < rxr> the quick way is grep -e string1 -e string2 -e string3
18:52 < rxr> I lookup how the other syntax was
18:52 < rxr> what do you need this for ?
18:52 < rxr> syp?
18:54 < maddin> No, for a klausuren(?)-CD
18:54 < rxr> exams
19:03 < CIA-8> valentin * r5862 /trunk/package/scientific/graphviz/graphviz.desc: * updated graphviz (1.16 -> 2.2)
19:03 < valentin> maddin: use "abc\|def"
19:04 < rxr> huh
19:04 < valentin> huh what ?
19:04 < rxr> why does it need quoting ? of the pipe ?
19:04 < valentin> because | and + have to be backslashed in grep
19:04 < rxr> annoying ..
19:05 < valentin> whereas . and * can be used without
19:05 < rxr> just read the info page and did not found why my | did not work out as I remembered
19:06 < valentin> the most annoying thing is: every program supporting some kind of regexp has other oddities in the syntax
19:06 < rxr> yes
19:06 < rxr> screams for a ExactOS
19:06 < rxr> unified regex everywhere - and nothing else ..
19:07 < rxr> except maybe file globbing - but maybe it is better replaced by full regex anyway
19:07 < rxr> some days++ ago I also tried s.th. with file globbing that was not possible
19:07 < valentin> you mean wildcards like "*.txt
19:07 < valentin> " ?
19:07 < rxr> yep
19:07 < maddin> hi valentin, thanks. It works
19:08 < valentin> rxr: a problem with filenames is the common use of the '.'
19:08 < valentin> so you just cannot use '.' as a character match
19:08 < rxr> wel - get common to quote it ;-)
19:09 < rxr> +l
19:09 < valentin> lol
19:10  * rxr reading diff linux-2.6.8.1 linux-2.6.9
19:10 < valentin> the diff or the changelog ?
19:10 < rxr> between those swapping on sparc64 stopped to work :-(
19:10 < rxr> diff
19:11 < rxr> the f*cking sparc does not seem to boot without keyboard
19:11 < rxr> at least the reboot did not brought my university sparc back online ...
19:11 < rxr> maddin: btw. I heared you have take a u5 home ?
19:13 < rxr> taken of course ...
19:13 < CIA-8> rene * r5863 /tags/2.1.0-beta3/package/base/dietlibc/dietlibc.conf: * fixed the hostlibc diet
19:15 < maddin> rxr: Yes, for a long long time.
19:16 < CIA-8> rene * r5864 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/ (dietlibc.conf hostlibc.diff): 
19:16 < CIA-8> * merged r5858:HEAD dietlibc changes from tags/2.1.0-beta3 into trunk:
19:16 < CIA-8>  * powerpc fixes
19:16 < CIA-8>  * hostlibc diet build and fixes
19:19 < rxr> long long ?
19:19 < rxr> I miss one for two weeks or so ...
19:20 < rxr> how much RAM is plugged in your one?
19:20 < rxr> do you actually have it running at all ?
19:23 < maddin> Dont' know, how much RAM is in it. I have it since 2 month or so.
19:23 < rxr> hm
19:23 < rxr> how long has this "ramin" (or so) the sparc?
19:24 < rxr> two weeks ago one vanished - and last week sven concluded it could be the one you have - but this does not seem to be the case ...
19:26 < maddin> I don't know, who has take the u5 for two weeks.
19:26 < rxr> actually I would not care if it would not be the one where sven placed all the RAM into - and now there are two (or three?) without RAM at all ..
19:27 < maddin> Must I stand up now and look in it?
19:27 < rxr> no
19:28 < rxr> it is not yours ...
19:28 < maddin> ok
19:28 < rxr> I just wanted to express my frust about that ...
19:28 < rxr> maddin: do you run s.th. on it ? FreeBSD I guess ?
19:29 < maddin> yes, but i will have t2. but i have no time ...
19:29 < rxr> soon are holidays ;-)
19:29 < maddin> yes :-)
19:30 < rxr> .oO
19:30 < rxr> forgot that the just running kernel on the sparc has this scsi defect ...
19:30 < rxr> no wonder the HD is crunching like crazzy ...
19:30 < maddin> What are good/needed options to mkisofs for create a normal ISO-File from a dir?
19:30 < rxr> -jt
19:30 < maddin> :-(
19:30 < rxr> err
19:30 < rxr> -jr
19:32 < maddin> This enough? I have a example: mkisofs -v -J -r -d -D -f -l -L -N -o /tmp/xxx.iso /dir/path/
19:32 < rxr> jaja - no
19:32 < maddin> Okay, I will read the manpage
19:32 < rxr> haha even
19:32 < rxr> -Jr is good ;-)
19:32 < rxr> never used more ...
19:32 < maddin> okay :-)
19:33 < maddin> -l     Allow  full  31 character filenames. ? I need this ...
19:34 < rxr> ignore the rest ...
19:34 < rxr> fuck
19:34 < rxr> damn crap
19:34 < rxr> why does the whole linux kernel change between each release
19:34 < rxr> just reverting the mm stuff to see it this braks sparc64 is and endless task
19:34 < rxr> due to API changes all over the place ...
19:35 < maddin> I see, we need a lovely bot for rxr :-)
19:36 < rxr> bot ?
19:37 < rxr> what for? fixing the ugly linux kernel ?
19:39 < maddin> No, to give you the right answers. One, how understand you every time.
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19:45 < rxr> ?
19:46 < _Ragnar_> moin
19:53 < rxr> moin!
19:55 < rxr> maybe I'm soon into bed ...
19:59 < _Ragnar_> ;)
19:59 < _Ragnar_> xorg builds!:)
20:01 < rxr> congrats!
20:01 < _Ragnar_> =)
20:01 < rxr> big patch ?
20:02 < _Ragnar_> no
20:02 < _Ragnar_> already included with the last ones
20:04 < _Ragnar_> but breakfast first :) bbl
20:08 < rxr> only the xorg.conf ? 
20:08 < _Ragnar_> yes
20:09 < _Ragnar_> and package/base/uclibc/add_sinf_cosf.patch
20:20 < rxr> the interesting part is whether it also runs ;-)
20:23 < rxr> ok - n8 all
20:24 < maddin> gn8 rxr
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20:48 < _Ragnar_> gn8 rxr ;)
21:21  * mnemoc finally got internet connection again!!!!
21:21 < mnemoc> lot of email to read :\
21:21 < _Ragnar_> w00t ;) wb
21:21 < mnemoc> hi _Ragnar_ 
21:23 < valentin> hi mnemoc
21:23 < mnemoc> hi valentin 
21:24 < valentin> rxr feared you were gone forever ...
21:27 < mnemoc> i was near ;)
21:27 < _Ragnar_> what happened?
21:27 < mnemoc> money :\
21:27 < _Ragnar_> oh :/
21:27 < mnemoc> banks and related crap
21:28 < mnemoc> but health is good :)
21:29 < _Ragnar_> good :)
21:32 < valentin> .oO
21:32 < mnemoc> "since 2.1.0-beta3 got branched off and we should start..." it seems i was dead for too long
21:33 < _Ragnar_> *g*
21:33 < mnemoc> brb
21:38 < mnemoc> re
21:52 < jsaw> wee, mnemoc's back...
21:55 < mnemoc> :D
21:59 < jsaw> hi all
21:59 < mnemoc> hi jsaw 
21:59 < jsaw> hola mnemoc 
22:01 < jsaw> relocating self to lab, cu in a few seconds.
22:07 < CIA-8> mnemoc * r5865 /trunk/package/network/openldap/openldap.desc: * updated openldap (2.2.20 -> 2.2.23)
22:07 < mnemoc> :)
22:13 < CIA-8> mnemoc * r5866 /trunk/package/security/keepalived/keepalived.desc: * updated keepalived (1.1.7 -> 1.1.8)
22:16 < jsaw> re
22:17 < jsaw> what would I have to do if I want to create a cross compiler, say for hc12... in other words, what do you think would be the best approach, create a gcc-cross package eg.?
22:21 < mnemoc> i miss multi-copy packages from loooong time ago
22:23 < _Ragnar_> multi-copy packages?
22:24 < _Ragnar_> btw shouldn't we just fix ./*/config.sub and ./configure and ./*/configure in general for uclibc?
22:24 < mnemoc> uhm
22:25 < mnemoc> i'm not sure how safe can that be
22:25 < _Ragnar_> do you know one package where it breaks?
22:25 < mnemoc> by multi-copy i mean to be able to build and install different copies of the 'same' package, in this case gcc, built with diferent options
22:26 < jsaw> *rxr*: ./scripts/Create-ErrList -newdelete
22:26 < jsaw> ./scripts/Create-ErrList: line 1: pkgcksum: command not found
22:26 < mnemoc> oh
22:26 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: have you commited or send your uclibc patches these days?
22:26 < _Ragnar_> oh okay
22:26 < _Ragnar_> yes
22:27 < mnemoc> commit or send?
22:27 < _Ragnar_> commited
22:27 < mnemoc> :D
22:28 < mnemoc> some configure are not autoconf configures
22:28 < _Ragnar_> xorg builds now, too
22:28 < mnemoc> xorg with uclibc??
22:28  * _Ragnar_ nods
22:28  * mnemoc falls down
22:28 < CIA-8> jsaw * r5867 /trunk/scripts/Create-ErrList: * fix typo (pkgc_h_ksum)
22:28 < jsaw> hehe, mnemoc missed quite some good stuff
22:28 < _Ragnar_> if they're not autoconf, chances are there's no linux-gnu in it, too
22:28 < jsaw> hi _Ragnar_ 
22:28 < _Ragnar_> hey jsaw ;)
22:29 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: true 
22:29 < mnemoc> jsaw: i noticed 
22:29 < jsaw> we need multi-copy back.... hmmm.
22:30 < jsaw> I need it if I want to succeed with the DistCC-LiveCD... 
22:30 < mnemoc> back... back what?
22:30 < mnemoc> afaik we have never had multi-copy, did we?
22:30 < jsaw> don't know exactly when rxr branched.
22:31 < mnemoc> you mean 'pkgfork'?
22:31 < jsaw> <- limited memory.. things not used get lost after a month or less in my brain
22:31 < jsaw> mnemoc: yep
22:32 < _Ragnar_> for gcc: doesn't that already support building in different locations for diff. architectures?
22:32 < jsaw> gcc itself yes.
22:32 < mnemoc> jsaw: pjgfork means is there for different versions of the same package, example gcc2.95,gcc3.3,gcc3.4,gcc-3.5
22:32 < jsaw> oh, that only.
22:33 < mnemoc> jsaw: but not different options like gcc-native, gcc-${some_cross_arch}, ...
22:34 < mnemoc> or linux26-udev and linux26-devfs
22:35 < jsaw> linux26-rtai, etc.
22:35 < jsaw> yep.
22:35 < mnemoc> :)
22:35 < mnemoc> i doubt config/$config/packages looping makes that possible
22:37 < jsaw> What about a special package naming scheme, like "package/base/gcc-%", for a package that supports conditioned copies?
22:37 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: don't you want to start a uclibc-reference build with a more wider auto_patcher?
22:38 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: I'm currently preparing for it :)
22:38 < mnemoc> jsaw: rock use '=' as delimited
22:38 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: :D
22:38 < jsaw> mnemoc: I meant in the file name already.
22:39 < mnemoc> jsaw: package that supports foo has foo flag in current schema
22:39 < jsaw> the gcc=gcc-sth. I know. Here, I meant, gcc-hc12 would match the package "gcc-%" but not the original "gcc" one
22:39 < jsaw> ? foo flag ?
22:39 < mnemoc> uhm
22:39 < mnemoc> .oO
22:40 < mnemoc> how to configure a build to include gcc-hc12?
22:40 < mnemoc> how to expand cofnig/$config/packages accordingly
22:40 < jsaw> everything but "target=hc12-unknown-none" unchanged
22:41 < jsaw> oh, that u mean.
22:41 < jsaw> unsure.
22:42 < jsaw> With the "-%" extension, matching would be quite easy imo.
22:42 < mnemoc> $config/packages may get expanded accordingly using pkgsel and/or a pkg${clone} command  but i'm not use how to menu that on Config
22:43 < mnemoc> how can user know what $pkg support for that '%'
22:43 < jsaw> .oO(no config - expert wisdom)
22:44 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
22:45 < jsaw> hehe
22:45 < mnemoc> .oO
22:46 < mnemoc> .oO
22:46 < jsaw> real answer: no idea :(
22:48 < mnemoc> i guess i can do Config stuff if you do '%' processing :)
22:48 < jsaw> good deal!
22:49 < jsaw> brb (small chat with colleague)
22:49 < mnemoc> parsing $pkg on .conf is easy
22:50 < mnemoc> now i only doubt about how to implement $pkgfork's .desc conditionality [V]s and [D]s
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22:53 < freddy> hi
22:57 < mnemoc> hi freddy 
22:57 < freddy> hi mnemoc
22:58 < mnemoc> jsaw, rxr, _Ragnar_: i'll change LIBC's USE_IT with a single ROCKCFG_LIBC= option
22:59 < mnemoc> `-- comments? 
22:59 < _Ragnar_> which libc are you talking about?
23:00 < jsaw> hi freddy 
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23:00 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: bool ROCKCFG_{UCLIBC,DIETLIBC}_USE_IT ---> ROCKCFG_LIBC={glibc,uclibc,dietlibc}
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23:01 < jsaw> mnemoc: good simplification
23:01 < freddy> hi jsaw
23:01 < _Ragnar_> dietlibc isn't going to work for most of the system afaik
23:01 < mnemoc> but dropping it is not good PR
23:01 < mnemoc> rene loves dietlibc too
23:01 < _Ragnar_> no one talks about dropping it
23:01 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
23:01 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
23:02 < _Ragnar_> just leave it as an addon
23:02 < jsaw> hi daja77 
23:02 < daja77> hi jsaw 
23:03 < jsaw> mnemoc: but ain't the semantics a bit messed right now? USEIT for dietlibc also handles the cases where some progs are linked to while the system libc is still glibc, or?
23:03 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: rene even rejected to have an official target based on 'a dirty and unclearly-licensed' package like uclibc
23:03 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
23:03 < _Ragnar_> uclibc isn't dirty
23:03 < mnemoc> it is to rene
23:04 < jsaw> hmm. technicians...
23:04 < _Ragnar_> what does he think about glibc then?
23:04 < jsaw> don't ask ...
23:04 < mnemoc> :)
23:04 < daja77> gpl
23:04 < _Ragnar_> *hrhr*
23:06 < _Ragnar_> anyway, uclibc is gnu licensed
23:06 < mnemoc> jsaw: i'll see what can i do to keep dietlibc working exactly as now with the new var
23:06 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: he dislikes the copy&paste done on uclibc
23:07 < jsaw> _Ragnar_: http://dl.exactcode.de/irclogs/t2/t2-2005-01-25.html
23:09 < _Ragnar_> jsaw: yes, I know ;)
23:09 < jsaw> mnemoc: so change it
23:09 < _Ragnar_> at least uclibc is a smaller target, and most patches to packages are quite superficial
23:14 < mnemoc> 118 more commits to read :\
23:14 < _Ragnar_> =)
23:14 < _Ragnar_> were there so many?
23:16 < mnemoc> yep
23:17 < jsaw> mnemoc: the pkgfork code seems to exist in t2...
23:18 < mnemoc> it has been removed by parts
23:18 < jsaw> by parts... ic
23:19 < mnemoc> is rene building beta-3 isos?
23:26 < jsaw> he's still merging fixes to beta3.
23:27 < mnemoc> nice
23:30 < mnemoc> jsaw: it's not hard to use ${pkg}-% to set well known options to packages, but what do you think about different versions? ($pkg=$xpkg sucks)
23:37 < jsaw> this would also match %. E.g. like the target thing (machine-host-os-etc...), we could use condition(-version)?
23:38 < jsaw> otoh maybe that's too much. Just think about gcc-(machine)-(version)... how many [D] tags u could have...
23:39 < jsaw> then we would have to have conditonal .desc files...
23:42 < jsaw> I'll write a proposal to the ML a bit later.
23:44 < mnemoc> ok
23:44 < mnemoc> $pkgclone needs to know $ver when clonning cofngi/$config/packages line
23:45 < mnemoc> and i guess removing stages <3 from the clone
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