--- Log opened Sat Feb 19 00:00:29 2005 00:01 < rxr> http://www.sylviastuurman.nl/stories/spanje2000/dag14/serpentine.jpg 00:01 < rxr> thats cool 00:05 * mnemoc will have to way for a X or gpm to see that 00:11 < rxr> announcement sent 00:11 < mnemoc> :D 00:12 < rxr> so mnemoc - do not touch the -beta3 tag anymore *g* 00:13 < rxr> damn I have a headache .. 00:13 < mnemoc> did you tar-ed it? 00:15 < rxr> just on the way 00:15 < rxr> I could do the freshmeat announcement tomorrow .. 00:15 < rxr> so that it first hits distrowatch and freshmeat with some delay ... 00:15 < rxr> or do you desperatly wanna do it 00:15 < mnemoc> good idea 00:15 < mnemoc> no, i'm not desparated 00:17 < _Ragnar_> hm where does cpu_set_t come from? 00:18 < _Ragnar_> oh, IC 00:22 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:22 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 00:26 < mnemoc> rxr: you said nothing about the new features on the announcement 00:26 < mipe> finally libc installs, but still the no 1-glibc32.log file 00:26 < mipe> error 00:26 < rxr> ok - /me in bed 00:27 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - must be my headache .. 00:27 < CIA-9> rene * r6654 /trunk/target/bootdisk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) 00:27 < CIA-9> * merged r6622, r6625 and r6636 from tags/2.1.0-beta3 into trunk: 00:27 < CIA-9> * fixed bootdisk/build_stage1.sh to detect the module directory and 00:27 < CIA-9> * not just use the version (might differ like e.g. in linux24benh) 00:27 < CIA-9> * cleaned status output on-the-way 00:27 < CIA-9> * converted bootdisk/powerpc to dynamic boot loader creation 00:27 < CIA-9> including all kernels available (not only this historic ugly 00:27 < mnemoc> rxr: i think we must change the iso structure 00:27 < CIA-9> ragnar * r6655 /trunk/package/base/gcc/gcc-300-force-visibility.patch: 00:27 < CIA-9> * force libgcc to always hide its symbols to avoid double definitions 00:27 < CIA-9> regarding stackguard and others, especially when cross-compiling or 00:27 < CIA-9> using uclibc. 00:28 < mnemoc> rxr: we must be able to have two builds of the same target on a single disk 00:28 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: was SSP problem due to visibility? 00:28 < _Ragnar_> some at least 00:33 < rxr> fixed ccache support to work reliable 00:33 < rxr> bash3 was fixed significantly 00:33 < rxr> improved uclibc support significantly 00:33 < rxr> improved x86-64 and sparc64 support 00:33 < rxr> varius bootdisk creation and layout improvements 00:33 < rxr> added tools vor Atmel AVR embedded development 00:33 < rxr> added wide ncurses 00:33 < rxr> added (real) nvidia binary driver support 00:33 < rxr> ^- mnemoc anything else for the sumamry ? 00:35 < mnemoc> uclibc change is more than significantly :) 00:35 < mnemoc> now it is supported, and never was before 00:36 * mnemoc is happy to see stone running flawless over the new dialog 00:36 < mnemoc> office is closing 00:36 * mnemoc moving home 00:37 < _Ragnar_> ttyl :) 00:39 < mnemoc> :) 00:43 < rxr> ok - ANNOUNCEMENT add-on sent 00:43 < rxr> n8 all 00:46 < _Ragnar_> gn8 01:02 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 01:02 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 01:07 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["sleep"] 01:35 < mnemoc> re 01:36 < _Ragnar_> re 01:40 < mnemoc> hi _Ragnar_ 01:49 < CIA-9> amery * r6656 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/system.init: * added inittime lvm2 support to current lvm1 support 02:03 < mnemoc> rxr: /usr/share/i18n/locales/gez_ER:title "Ge'ez language locale for Eritrea." <---- the single quote breaks our parser 03:02 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:02 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 03:25 < CIA-9> amery * r6657 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/stone_mod_general.sh: * reworked `stone general` -> 'locale' to align properly and honor single quotes on title 03:25 < mnemoc> rxr: awk code droped, long life to sed. r6657 04:22 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:22 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 05:53 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.196.135.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 05:53 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta2 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | CIA, don't ever leave us again! 05:53 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Wed Jan 12 03:04:43 2005] 05:53 [Users #t2] 05:53 [ _Ragnar_] [ daja77] [ mnemoc] [ praenti] [ rxr_ ] 05:53 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ nzg ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 05:53 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 10 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 10 normal] 05:53 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 05:53 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 10 secs 06:02 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.201.199.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:22 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:22 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 07:02 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:02 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 08:22 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 08:22 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 08:39 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #t2 09:02 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:02 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 09:42 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:42 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 10:09 < mipe> glibc is nightmare to get build,install target runs just fine,but just to get libs installed is another problem :( 10:16 < rxr_> moin 10:16 -!- You're now known as rxr 10:17 < mipe> good morning :) 10:17 < rxr> mipe: glibc install-lib really worked for me ... 10:18 < mipe> rxr:i'll try it again, last time i didnt get libc.so files 10:46 < mipe> rxr:nope it doesnt install libc and thats why it fails to build as postmake(or so) wants to use it, but by adding /usr/lib/libc.so and /usr/lib/libc-2.3.4.so to makeinstopt it install them but it fails otherwise(have to recheck the error on that) 10:47 < rxr> hm 10:48 < mipe> i think changelog says that libc*.so isnt in install-lib target anymore 10:49 < rxr> ouch 10:49 < rxr> strange 10:49 < rxr> and does changelog say how to just instsall that one ? 10:49 < mipe> nope :( 10:49 < mipe> atleast i didnt notice any 10:50 < rxr> the libc should have another path+ 10:50 < rxr> what happes for: 10:50 < rxr> /lib/libc.so and /lib/libc-2.3.4.so? 10:50 < mipe> it installs them there 10:51 < rxr> in other words it works? 10:51 < mipe> fails on other thing,have to recheck the error 10:53 < mipe> but i'll check it on hour or so,have to stop by at store 11:02 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:02 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 11:14 < rxr> freshmeat submitted .. 11:30 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFBBF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 11:31 < jeru> moin :) 11:34 < rxr> moin jeru 11:35 < jeru> rxr: hi, how is your new 'laser toy' ? 11:36 < rxr> well - ovelooked that it does not support PostScript ... 11:36 < rxr> I read it on some site and did not bothered further ... 11:36 < rxr> so I have some rastertokm2430dl i386 binary from the redhat RPM on the CD which wassts big amounts of CPU time on my Athlon for pre-rasterization ... :-((( 11:36 < rxr> and the LCD is hard to read 11:37 < rxr> the website claims it has a backlight - but I see none ... 11:37 < jeru> hmm ... :( 11:37 < rxr> the good: the printouts look great ... 11:38 < jeru> :) 11:42 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:42 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 11:47 < rxr> cu 11:54 < jeru> yep :) 12:03 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 12:03 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:22 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:22 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 13:05 < rxr> so 13:05 < rxr> we are on http://freshmeat.net/ 13:42 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:42 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 14:11 < mnemoc> moin! 14:11 < jeru> hi mnemoc :) 14:11 < mnemoc> hi jeru 14:22 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:22 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 14:24 < mnemoc> rxr: chilean mirror updated, if you want to publish the auxiliar download location 14:31 < mipe> yay,glibc32 fixed :) 14:31 < mnemoc> how? 14:33 < mipe> made new make target that installs all libs,install-lib didnt install libc*.* 14:33 < mipe> bad hack :( 14:35 < rxr> mipe: may you publish the patch? 14:36 < mipe> yep its at http://koti.japo.fi/~pmika/glibc32/ 14:36 < mnemoc> hi rxr 14:36 < mipe> but i guess you dont want that kind of patches to go trunk 14:42 < mnemoc> rxr: schedutils and libelf on bootdisk are there for buildtime or also for runtime? 14:54 < CIA-9> amery * r6658 /trunk/target/bootdisk/build_stage2.sh: * added install rules for bootdisk, install lvm2 and device-mapper too, and ignore ccache, libelf and schedutils. 14:55 < CIA-9> amery * r6659 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Console/X_basic_desires.ask: * fixed mnemosyne's X_basic_desires to not include gtk1's xscreensaver 15:18 < mnemoc> jeru: vlan got it's own option on mnemosyne 15:18 < mnemoc> jeru: do you think i should add arputils there? 15:18 < CIA-9> amery * r6660 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/Network/ (bridge.ask director.ask vlan.ask): * added director and vlan plugin for mnemosyne 15:19 < CIA-9> amery * r6661 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/Network/ (DHCPD.isc.choice DHCPD.none.choice DHCPD.udhcp.choice): * Added DHCPD (none,udhcp,isc) plugin for mnemosyne 15:27 < rxr> re 15:28 < rxr> mnemoc: libelf for buildtime - l or strace 15:28 < rxr> schedutils accidently 15:28 < rxr> I think both should be removed .... 15:29 < rxr> mipe: thanks /me reviewing 15:29 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["boot"] 15:30 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #t2 15:41 < rxr> 1057 builds total, 1025 completed fine, 32 with errors. 15:41 < rxr> Error logs from system-2.1.0-beta4-x86-athlon-desktop: 15:42 < rxr> error 1: cannot open include file 'clip-gtk.ch': No such file or directory 15:43 < mnemoc> uhm 15:43 < rxr> xmp also has a strage error 15:44 < mnemoc> i'll publish my list considering updates 15:44 < mnemoc> and you tell me what broken2broken update to commit 15:47 < rxr> desktop has those: 15:47 < rxr> [5] e17/efsd [5] e17/entrance 15:47 < rxr> [5] kde/kdeartwork [5] kde/kdeedu 15:47 < rxr> [5] graphic/pixieplus [5] kde/superkaramba 15:47 < rxr> [5] gnome14/gal01 [5] gnome14/gtkhtml10 15:47 < rxr> [5] audio/xmp [5] kde/k3b 15:47 < rxr> [5] network/ppp [5] textproc/latex2html 15:47 < rxr> [5] multimedia/nvrec [5] multimedia/dvdrip 15:47 < rxr> [5] perl/mysql-perl [5] perl/perl-dbd-postgresq 15:47 < rxr> [5] audio/vstserver [5] graphic/xpdf 15:47 < rxr> [5] multimedia/kaxtv [5] multimedia/avview 15:47 < rxr> [5] audio/ladspa-vst [5] audio/audacity 15:47 < rxr> [5] develop/mono-xsp [5] filesystem/nfs-utils 15:47 < rxr> [5] develop/clip [5] multimedia/vls 15:47 < rxr> [5] multimedia/ggrab [5] gnome14/gnucash 15:47 < rxr> [5] develop/mono-develop [5] develop/ocs 15:47 < rxr> [5] filesystem/qtparted [5] audio/rezound 15:48 < mnemoc> rxr: http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/update.list 15:48 < mnemoc> can you give me ppp and mono-xsp? 15:48 < mnemoc> mono-develop needs gtkmozembed-sharp and gtkviewsource-sharp 15:50 < rxr> `/TOOLCHAIN/package/network/ppp/ip-up' -> `/etc/ppp/ip-up' 15:50 < rxr> cp: cannot create regular file `/etc/ppp/ip-up': No such file or directory 15:50 * rxr fixinf that 15:50 < mnemoc> mkdir -p :) 15:52 < CIA-9> rene * r6662 /trunk/package/network/ppp/ppp.conf: * fixed ppp to create the sysconfdir before copying files into it 15:52 * mnemoc imagines a web system to see packages, propose updates, comment and attach build logs 15:52 < rxr> I plan to setup the regressions tracker some time soon 15:56 < mipe> damm,packages install 64bit libs to /lib and not /lib64 15:57 < rxr> mipe: yes - this is true and not easy to change 15:57 < rxr> just leave it so 15:57 < rxr> if you want to change this in the future you will have to do a lot of work to migrate to real lib vs. lib64 seperation 15:58 < mnemoc> ln -s /lib /lib64 ? 15:58 < rxr> nope 15:58 < rxr> lib64 carries the 64bit system libraries from glibc and gcc ... 15:58 < rxr> and lib the ones for 32bit 15:58 < rxr> and lib is the home for all the normal libraries ... 15:58 < mnemoc> i thought /lib was kernel-bitage libraries 15:58 < rxr> nope 15:58 < mipe> might be easier to put 64bit to /lib and 32bit to /lib32? 15:59 < rxr> no no no 15:59 < mnemoc> mipe: that's what i thought 15:59 < rxr> this is incompatible with the other linux distributions and you need to patch gcc for that ... 15:59 < rxr> and we cou 15:59 < rxr> would vilotate LSB and co 15:59 < rxr> they specify /lib64 ... 16:00 < mipe> ah then just leave /lib to have both? well for now 16:00 < mipe> i mean mixed with 32 and 64 16:00 < rxr> yes 16:00 < rxr> if you want 64bit libs in lib64 you need to patch big amounts of packages .... 16:01 < rxr> as well as add a few conditionas to the t2 build scripts 16:01 < rxr> but so far i think no other distribution does this. 16:02 < mipe> hmm,bash got linked with 32bit libs :( atleast its ldd bin/bash points to 32bit one 16:02 < mnemoc> LSB also wants /media and /srv 16:03 < rxr> but when gcc and glibc are hacked to do this nonsense it is hard to oppose ... 16:03 < rxr> hoever just ignoreing /media and /srv is way easier 16:03 < rxr> mipe: ouhm ... 16:04 < rxr> maybe the ldd output is not correct ... 16:04 < rxr> e.g. check what file tells (32 or 64 bit) 16:05 < mipe> file bin/bash says 64 and file lib/libc-2.3.4.so tells 32bit 16:05 < mipe> thats why i cant get to chroot to it and get past stage 1 16:06 < rxr> maybe just your ldd is buggy 16:06 < rxr> wait what happens later in the build 16:06 < rxr> a 64bit library can not be linked to a 32 bit one ... 16:09 < mipe> ah,ldd bin/bash, version 'GLIBC_2.3.4' not found on libc line 16:10 < mnemoc> http://www.perfdynamics.com/CMG/CMGslides4up.pdf nice 16:15 < CIA-9> amery * r6663 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/ (4 files): * changed mnemosyne' SMB plugin to choose between none, samba and samba-ldap. 16:22 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:22 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 16:27 < rxr> oehm 16:27 < rxr> from gsmp.tfh-berlin.de 41GB got downloaded today ... 16:28 < mnemoc> today??! 16:28 < mnemoc> [075] - SourceSafe for Unix 0.3 <--- wtf? 16:28 < rxr> ? 16:28 < rxr> yes - today 16:29 < mnemoc> where are the ISOs? there? 16:29 < rxr> yep 16:30 < mnemoc> that explains :) 16:30 < rxr> yep 16:30 < mnemoc> isn't sourcesafe owned by MS? 16:30 < rxr> yes 16:30 < rxr> where did you saw that release 16:30 < mnemoc> freshmeat daily report 16:31 < mnemoc> http://freshmeat.net/projects/ssu/ 16:32 < rxr> hm 16:40 < mnemoc> rxr: [O] source package/*/*/xfce-4.conf <-- what do you thing of having this as [O] 16:48 < rxr> I think too much stuff as [O] tags is harmful 16:49 < mnemoc> one line 16:49 < rxr> and that we should discuss some more generic package derive, inheritance, split and fork concept for the future .... 16:50 < mnemoc> so you consider i should keep that on .conf even if it is the only line there and that shows 'inheritance' which is a .desc concept? 16:51 < mnemoc> (for 2.1) 16:52 < CIA-9> amery * r6664 /trunk/package/xfce4/xfce4-panelmenu/ (. xfce4-panelmenu.desc): * added xfce4-panelmenu (0.1.0) 16:54 < mnemoc> grep -c '^\[O\]' package/*/*/*.desc | sort -t: -n 16:57 < mnemoc> grep -c '^\[O\]' package/*/*/*.desc | sort -t ':' -nr -k 2 <--- this better :p 17:02 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:02 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@149.217.52.158] has joined #t2 17:03 < mnemoc> rxr: package/network/slidentd/slidentd.desc <--- this kind of [O]s is harmfull 17:17 < mnemoc> rxr: does mine install not-updated-packages from the list of .gem? 17:19 < rxr> hat ? 17:19 < rxr> what even? 17:20 < mnemoc> if i mine -i *.gem 17:20 < mnemoc> will it re-install packages with the same checksum? 17:21 < rxr> that will only install files when the old file was not altered ... 17:22 < rxr> like Build-Pkg -update 17:22 < rxr> only -f disables the previous file check and always deploy the new file 17:22 < rxr> IIRC mine works on a per file basis - no using whole package checks ... 17:23 < mnemoc> ic 17:30 < CIA-9> amery * r6665 /trunk/package/xfce4/ (47 files in 23 dirs): * cleaned up all xfce4 .conf files 17:52 < mnemoc> .oO( i should have backed up my x config :( 17:55 < mnemoc> jsaw: we (i) want pictures 17:58 -!- ilia [~ilia@212.116.139.141] has joined #t2 17:59 < mnemoc> hi ilia 17:59 < ilia> hi 17:59 < ilia> i need to speak with one of the T2 developers 18:00 < mnemoc> i am one, what do you need? 18:01 * rxr around, too 18:01 < mnemoc> mr. core architect is present, cool :) 18:02 < ilia> I`m the developer of the first Bulgarian Linux distribution and I`ve just found T2. I think I`ll move to T2 but I need to know if the liveCD version has hardware autodetection 18:02 < mipe> any tips for the bash stuff? 18:02 < rxr> ilia: yes - basic 18:03 < rxr> the live cd is not yet that perfect - but it is on our TODO anyway 18:03 < mnemoc> mipe: what do you mean? 18:03 < rxr> our ROCK Plug is an excellent hotplug replacement working very well for the auto detection 18:03 -!- mnemoc changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | CIA, don't ever leave us again! 18:03 < mipe> mnemoc:i cant get to stage 2 because it cant chroot... 18:04 < ilia> But will it find the hardware that Knoppix finds? 18:04 < mnemoc> mipe: what ldd thinks about? 18:05 < rxr> ilia: t2 is not knoppix based, so it will differ 18:05 < mipe> mnemoc:and ldd bin/bash has lib/libc* which is 32bit,and in this case that isnt good 18:05 < ilia> Yes, I know. 18:05 < rxr> but the LiveCD is a big TODO point here anyway - so you get big support here to make it actually work as well as the knoppix one 18:06 < ilia> I could help porting some of the Knoppix stuff 18:06 < mnemoc> ilia: you can start makeing your distribution hd-based and easily move it to livecd when it gets re-worked 18:07 < ilia> Where can I get more info on the installer for the hd-based version? 18:08 < mnemoc> our installer in that case is _very_ simple, bootdisk target + stone install, where stone is our configuration software 18:09 < mnemoc> we plan to add fancy stuff but not yet done 18:09 < ilia> Does T2 have anything in common (code, architecture) with Gentoo? 18:10 < rxr> nope 18:10 < mnemoc> absolutly nothing :) 18:11 < ilia> I cound help with: porting stuff from Knoppix, ideas, bulgarian translations... things like this 18:12 < mnemoc> you are welcome 18:12 < mnemoc> this channel is were everything happens, and don't forget to join our mail lists 18:13 < mnemoc> every problem or doubt just ask 18:13 < ilia> i`ve joined the mailing lists 18:15 < mnemoc> good :) 18:19 < rxr> ilia: what do you currently use as base for your distribution ? 18:20 < ilia> Knoppix 18:20 < ilia> it has some update problems and the installer is buggy. That`s why I want to move on T2 18:21 < rxr> ic 18:21 -!- Geert [geert@geert.staff.freenode] has joined #t2 18:21 < rxr> I guess you need some graphical installer than? 18:21 < mnemoc> hi Geert :) 18:21 -!- mode/#t2 [+oo mnemoc rxr] by Geert 18:21 -!- Geert [geert@geert.staff.freenode] has left #t2 ["http://www.irssi.org - http://www.freenode.net - http://www.gentoo.org"] 18:24 < ilia> I could make one :) 18:25 < ilia> I`ve started a project for a new installer ,I`ll just "port" it 18:27 <@rxr> ilia: in which language and gui ? 18:27 -!- mode/#t2 [-o mnemoc] by mnemoc 18:29 < ilia> bulgarian, with kommander 18:29 < ilia> It`s not working yet :( 18:30 < mnemoc> we have not yet added multi-language support on our tools, but we really want to have it 18:31 < ilia> what do you need? 18:32 < mnemoc> start using T2 and you will notice :) 18:35 < ilia> can I use the T2 scripts from Debian or I have to install it? 18:36 <@rxr> building on debian should be fine 18:38 < mnemoc> ilia: we suggest you to play over a checkout of t2's trunk 18:42 < ilia> ok 18:44 < ilia> which target is the smallest? 18:45 < mnemoc> i would suggest you my mnemosyne, but i use runit instead of sysvinit what may confuse you 18:45 < mnemoc> use generic with minimal templace 18:45 < mnemoc> template 18:45 <@rxr> mnemosyne is very custom 18:45 < mnemoc> choose template on the expert zone 18:45 < mnemoc> rxr: yep 18:45 <@rxr> a minimal or minimal+xorg package preselection with generic should offer a good introduction 18:49 * mnemoc has mnemosyne (t2-beta4) desktop (xfce4) running as a charm on his laptop :) 18:53 < ilia> have to go now 18:53 < ilia> I`m downloading the minimal files, I`ll report tomorrow 18:54 -!- ilia [~ilia@212.116.139.141] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11"] 18:55 < mipe> hmm,bash looks for ncurses in lib64 while they are in lib 18:55 < mipe> thats why no chroot 18:56 < mipe> working 18:59 < mipe> and fixed 19:00 < mnemoc> :) 19:00 * mnemoc moving home to lunch, bbl 19:02 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@149.217.52.158] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:10 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 19:20 < _Ragnar_> moin 19:20 <@rxr> I have a fixed Create-ISO in the queue that does calculate the utilized space more precisely ... 19:20 <@rxr> moin _Ragnar_ 19:33 -!- hybrid [~cyborg@80.Red-83-35-217.pooles.rima-tde.net] has joined #t2 19:35 -!- hybrid [~cyborg@80.Red-83-35-217.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit ["BitchX-1.0c20cvs -- just do it."] 19:36 < CIA-9> rene * r6666 /trunk/scripts/Create-ISO: 19:36 < CIA-9> * improved Create-ISO to calculate the ISO size more precisely by also 19:36 < CIA-9> considering the file "inode" size. The default is 1kB and 12kB for 19:36 < CIA-9> HFS hybrid images - fixes oversized images on PowerPC. 19:37 < CIA-9> rene * r6667 /trunk/target/bootdisk/powerpc/build.sh: * relete more (currently) unused files on PowerPC 20:23 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:23 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 20:27 < CIA-9> rene * r6668 /trunk/package/develop/boost/boost.conf: * decustmained boost (not fully tested) 20:40 < CIA-9> valentin * r6669 /trunk/package/graphic/asymptote/ (. asymptote.desc): * added asymptote (v0.63) 21:25 -!- _Ragnar__ [loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net] has joined #t2 21:34 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFBBF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11"] 21:38 -!- _Ragnar_ [loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:39 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFBBF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 21:41 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFBBF0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:45 < mipe> damm,tools doesnt build :( 21:59 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["sleep"] 22:03 < mnemoc> rehi 22:22 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:22 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 22:28 <@rxr> re 22:28 < mnemoc> welcome back operator 22:29 [Users #t2] 22:29 [@rxr ] [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ nzg ] [ valentin] 22:29 [ _Ragnar__] [ daja77] [ mnemoc] [ praenti] 22:29 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 9 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 8 normal] 22:29 -!- mode/#t2 [-o rxr] by ChanServ 22:29 < mnemoc> hey ChanServ! 22:29 < mnemoc> return him his power! 22:29 -!- mode/#t2 [+o rxr] by ChanServ 22:29 < mnemoc> good boy 22:30 <@rxr> ,-) 22:31 <@rxr> Day 22:31 <@rxr> Number of visits 22:31 <@rxr> Pages 22:31 <@rxr> Hits 22:31 <@rxr> Bandwidth 22:31 <@rxr> 18 Feb 2005 22:31 <@rxr> 104 22:31 <@rxr> 186 22:31 <@rxr> 448 22:31 <@rxr> 1.79 MB 22:31 <@rxr> 19 Feb 2005 22:31 <@rxr> 686 22:31 <@rxr> 1814 22:31 <@rxr> 4565 22:31 <@rxr> 25.07 MB 22:32 <@rxr> www.t2-project.org alone of courase ... 22:32 < mnemoc> >( 22:32 < mnemoc> .oO( what was that face )o 22:33 <@rxr> hehe ,-) 22:33 < mnemoc> rxr: how can i grant permanent permissions to my X to localhost? 22:33 <@rxr> xhost + localhost 22:34 <@rxr> if permanent then place it into the .xinitrc (for example) 22:34 < mnemoc> thanks 22:35 <@rxr> no problem 22:35 <@rxr> today we (valentin and I) talked about a possible real logo and came across the boost logo competition: 22:36 <@rxr> http://www.boost.org/more/logo_contest.htm 22:36 <@rxr> some might be a good base for a real t2 logo 22:37 < mnemoc> i don't have much hope on that, but yes. we need a real logo 22:38 <@rxr> much hope on what ? 22:38 < mnemoc> on we geting a logo with a competition 22:39 <@rxr> well - no competition 22:39 <@rxr> just get inspiration from those logos .. 22:39 <@rxr> we need some real / better logo until the CeBIT 22:39 <@rxr> I want to have that on the 1000 (?) papers I will print ... 22:41 <@rxr> favourites: 21 29 35 38/39 67 49 (already like the exactcode one :-) 75 60 something alike the 63-73 ones 22:42 <@rxr> mnemoc: could you scroll over the boost competion and compare with the no. I posted? 22:43 * mnemoc building firefox 22:43 <@rxr> .oO 22:43 <@rxr> that takes ages .. 22:44 < mnemoc> links -g http://www.boost.org/more/logo_contest.htm 22:46 < mnemoc> are the asorted there too> 22:46 < mnemoc> ? 22:47 < mnemoc> 75 looks a bit 'winxp' 22:53 < mnemoc> i can't imagine them as T2 logos :\ 22:55 <@rxr> well - of course reworked ... 22:56 <@rxr> not a 1:1 copy ... 22:56 <@rxr> just as conceptional base ... 22:56 <@rxr> to insert T2 SDE and approriate graphics ... 22:56 < mnemoc> we have just two letters 22:56 < mnemoc> 5 22:56 <@rxr> 4 letters 1 no. 22:56 < mnemoc> yes yes 22:56 < mnemoc> characters 22:57 < mnemoc> i would like to include both 'build' and 'distributable' concepts 22:57 < mnemoc> something like what boost people do with the pill 23:02 <@rxr> mnemoc: could you throw this icon into the wiki: 23:02 <@rxr> http://distrowatch.com/images/icon-large/t2.png 23:02 <@rxr> it is better anti-aliased then the one you inserted 23:02 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:02 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 23:04 < mnemoc> ok 23:05 <@rxr> although slightly smaller 23:05 <@rxr> but I can prepare an own version if you think the distrowatch one is too small ... 23:07 < mnemoc> ehm 23:07 < mnemoc> take a look 23:07 < mnemoc> .oO( i should have backed up the old )o 23:12 <@rxr> hm - still bad 23:13 <@rxr> even worth I think I know why 23:13 <@rxr> scaling in the browser due to width and height tags ? 23:13 <@rxr> strange 23:13 <@rxr> no - no wdith height 23:14 < mnemoc> .css 23:15 <@rxr> 23:15 <@rxr> #logo_pane img { 23:15 <@rxr> width: 90px; 23:15 <@rxr> } 23:15 <@rxr> http://wiki.t2-project.org/theme/klassik/css/kwiki.css 23:15 <@rxr> I hand you a matching logo - second 23:17 <@rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/t2-medium.png 23:17 <@rxr> exported from the original .svg 23:17 < mnemoc> >( 23:17 < mnemoc> err 23:17 < mnemoc> i must set the kb correnctly 23:17 < mnemoc> :) 23:19 < mnemoc> updated 23:23 <@rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/ informed about the release ... 23:23 <@rxr> erhnm 23:23 <@rxr> http://www.golem.de/ 23:23 <@rxr> damn cutn't paste sometimes ... 23:26 <@rxr> preparing osnews.com also 23:29 -!- Netsplit lem.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: valentin, daja77, jsaw, praenti, _Ragnar__, nzg, CIA-9, mnemoc 23:31 -!- Netsplit over, joins: jsaw, _Ragnar__, mnemoc, daja77, praenti, valentin, CIA-9, nzg 23:31 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 23:31 < mnemoc> Finished downloading 367613 bytes in 7.106 seconds (51730.000 bytes/sec). 23:31 < mnemoc> bzip'ing gzip file + cksum-test: download/mirror/a/asymptote-0.63.tar.gz 23:31 < mnemoc> Segmentation fault 23:32 <@rxr> ouhm 23:59 <@rxr> [ANNOUNCE] iproute2 050209 --- Log closed Sun Feb 20 00:00:29 2005