--- Log opened Mon Feb 21 00:00:29 2005 00:02 < jsaw_> re 00:02 -!- jsaw_ is now known as jsaw 00:13 < rxr> .oO(l7-filter) 00:14 < jsaw> ? 00:26 < rxr> new package in network 00:26 < rxr> patching the kernel or so .. 00:27 < rxr> hi jsaw ! 00:27 < jsaw> hi rxr :) 00:27 < rxr> how is life? 00:28 < jsaw> .oO(not that hard yet) I'm actually pretty excited. Charlotte's very sweet too. 00:28 < jsaw> I'm currently in the lab trying to organize my stuff for the next days... 00:29 < rxr> ;-) 00:29 < rxr> PR summary: 00:30 < rxr> gsmp.tfh-berlin.de: today: 28.35 GB yesterday: 56.38 GB: the day before: 2.78 GB 00:31 < rxr> t2-project.org: today: 53.87 MB, yesterday: 27.55 MB, the day before: 1.79 MB 00:31 < rxr> great, isn't it? 00:31 < rxr> that are 7892 hits today on t2-project.org ;-) 00:31 < jsaw> due to osnews etc? 00:31 < jsaw> *wow* 00:31 < rxr> osnews, symlink, distrowatch, freshmeat 00:32 < rxr> http://www.golem.de will have the news tomorrow I think 00:32 < rxr> mayb http://www.pro-linux.de, too 00:34 < jsaw> doin a good job...! 00:35 < rxr> the announcement meant: 10x hits increase yesterday and today nearly 20x than normal ... 00:39 < rxr> the OOO installaler for osx is so crappy .. 00:39 < jsaw> don't ask... 00:39 < rxr> strange to use, claims it installs xfree86 (which I hope it will not - I have Apples tweaked X already) and now prints 00:39 < rxr> Installing .. Uninstalling OpenOffice.app 00:39 < jsaw> do have to start it with "/net" as option too there? 00:39 < rxr> although I did not had it before 00:40 < rxr> no idea 00:40 < rxr> I just run the installer - and I just clicked on it 00:40 < rxr> (running inside MOL) 00:42 < CIA-9> rene * r6687 /trunk/package/x11/xorg/ (drm-linux26-i386.patch postlinux.conf): 00:42 < CIA-9> * decustmained xorg/postlinux.conf and fixed it for i386 (die on 00:42 < CIA-9> CONFIG_X86_CMPXCHG /warning/) 01:24 -!- bow-viper1 [~bow@68.187.36.229.ts46v-12.otne2.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has joined #t2 01:24 -!- bow-viper1 [~bow@68.187.36.229.ts46v-12.otne2.ftwrth.tx.charter.com] has left #t2 [] 01:36 < rxr> need to boot into osx soon ... 01:36 < jsaw> need to send SIGSLEEP to self, soon... 01:45 < mnemoc> re 01:45 < jsaw> hola mnemoc 01:45 < rxr> mnemoc: did you built acx100 manually ? 01:45 < rxr> what did you do to do so ? 01:46 < mnemoc> it has changed a lot 01:46 < mnemoc> it used to need only a KERNELDIR= 01:46 < rxr> that means you did not bult the version you checked in ? 01:46 < mnemoc> nope 01:47 < mnemoc> i build it about a year ago 01:47 < rxr> .oO 01:47 < rxr> ok ok 01:47 < rxr> I dig thru it .. 01:48 < rxr> I actually fixed xorg already for i386 due to the acx100 test build ... 01:48 < mnemoc> the undefined kernel option for generic? 01:57 < rxr> yep 01:57 < rxr> wanna see a screenshot of our commercial osx thingy that most probably will be in a press release tomorrow ... ? 01:59 < mnemoc> sure 02:04 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/avision-osx-cut.tiff 02:04 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/avision-osx.tiff 02:05 -!- ideal [~idealm@211.100.227.107] has joined #t2 02:05 < rxr> hi ideal 02:05 < jsaw> <- SIGSLEEP, cu! 02:05 < rxr> cu jsaw 02:05 < ideal> hi, rxr 02:05 < mnemoc> cu jsaw 02:06 < ideal> hi, mnemoc 02:07 < mnemoc> hi ideal :) 02:09 < rxr> mnemoc: screenshot comments ? 02:10 < mnemoc> looks very nice :) 02:14 < mnemoc> rxr: what happened to traceroute package? 02:17 < rxr> oehm 02:18 < rxr> was it not moved into network ? 02:18 < mnemoc> it doesn't seem so 02:24 < rxr> lost during svn mv ? 02:25 < mnemoc> incomplete svn commit? 02:25 < mnemoc> svn rm instead of mb 02:25 < mnemoc> mv? 02:27 < mnemoc> i'll move my irsii to another machine and i return. brb 02:27 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.44] has quit ["leaving"] 02:38 < rxr> images updates 02:38 < rxr> those screenshots 02:43 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.44] has joined #t2 02:44 < mnemoc> re :) 02:44 < mnemoc> rxr: r6638 02:44 < mnemoc> traceroute was not added 02:44 < rxr> bad 02:45 < rxr> I take a look 02:47 < mnemoc> i can readd it :) save me with acx100 :p 02:47 < mnemoc> that Makefile is damn hacky 02:48 < rxr> ok - then readd it ... 02:49 < rxr> my work for money is done - I could crawl into bed *g* 02:49 < mnemoc> :) 02:49 < mnemoc> you found all photoshop oddities? 02:50 < rxr> no - reworked the gui, and made screenshots *g* 02:50 < rxr> I tinkered on T2 before ... 02:50 < rxr> and e.g. mol, so I can run osx in parallel more often ... 02:51 < mnemoc> :) 02:51 < rxr> I try to get your kernel module bult intil 3:00 02:51 < rxr> if not I continue tomorrow morning .. 02:51 < rxr> but tomorrow is already filled with PR paper creation for T2 02:51 < rxr> since I need to print those before wed on my shiny new laser printer 02:52 < rxr> since I leave berlin on wed for my mothers birthday and stay there until the cebit 02:52 < CIA-9> amery * r6688 /trunk/package/base/traceroute/ (9 files): * restored traceroute removed on 6638 02:52 < mnemoc> how i color printing with the opensource driver? 02:52 < rxr> only printed once last night 02:52 < rxr> looks ok ... 02:52 < rxr> I 02:52 < rxr> 'll see in the future ... ;-) 02:52 < mnemoc> :) 02:54 < rxr> pi*tumb tells me rastering on my 800Mhz iBook w/ the open source driver is as fast as the closed binary tingy on my XP 2500+ ... 02:54 < CIA-9> amery * r6689 /trunk/package/ (base/traceroute/ network/traceroute/): * moved traceroute to network/ repository 02:54 < rxr> I hope my bootdisk polishing from today 02:55 < mnemoc> i'll install tomorrow a my second beta4 machine with your bootdisk 03:01 < mnemoc> rxr: if you don't finish module thing, commit it and i continue 03:01 < rxr> ouhm 03:01 < mnemoc> I try to get your kernel module bult intil 3:00 03:03 < mnemoc> i guess i'll do nothing, but i can try :) 03:03 < rxr> maybe it is just building 03:03 < rxr> at least it started 03:03 < rxr> finished 03:04 < mnemoc> oh 03:04 < mnemoc> that would be cool 03:04 < rxr> manually 03:05 < rxr> I now need to create the patch and so on .. 03:05 < mnemoc> ic 03:08 < rxr> I now tweak linux24.conf a bit more to support packages liek acx100 for this no core linux binary or modules built ROCKDEBUG_... case ... 03:08 < CIA-9> rene * r6690 /trunk/package/network/acx100/ (configure.patch postlinux.conf): 03:08 < CIA-9> * most probably fixed acx100 to actually build the kernel modules 03:08 < CIA-9> (only halfly tested) 03:11 < rxr> ok - local test build with tweaked linux24.conf running ... 03:11 * rxr preparing to leave into bed .... 03:14 < mnemoc> :) 03:14 < mnemoc> thanks a lot 03:17 < rxr> passed in my test build ... ;-) 03:17 < rxr> == 02/21/05 02:17:20 =[9]=> Finished building package linux26. 03:17 < mnemoc> and the module is built? 03:17 < rxr> yep 03:18 < mnemoc> :D 03:18 < rxr> oh - but it is not yet fully correct 03:18 < CIA-9> rene * r6691 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux24.conf: * added some needed tweaks to the DEBUG_LINUX_SUBMODULES_ONLY code path 03:19 < rxr> the Makefile still makes use of uname somewhere: 03:19 < rxr> ** Compilation finished. Make sure to copy required firmware files to /usr/shar 03:19 < rxr> e/acx/ before proceeding! *** 03:19 < rxr> *** Copying driver modules acx_pci.ko acx_usb.ko to /lib/modules/2.6.9-rock/net. 03:19 < rxr> .. *** 03:19 < rxr> I leave this as an excersie for you ;-) 03:19 < mnemoc> :) 03:19 < rxr> it is most probably just the install target 03:20 < rxr> the actual build looks right 03:20 < rxr> I commit the fix - second 03:22 < rxr> so - mnemoc have to go 03:22 < rxr> cu tomorrow 03:23 < CIA-9> rene * r6692 /trunk/package/network/acx100/postlinux.conf: 03:23 < CIA-9> * most probably fixed the installation of acx100 (into the correct 03:23 < CIA-9> module directory ...) (again untested) 03:24 < mnemoc> cu rene 03:24 < mnemoc> thanks again :) 03:34 < mnemoc> rxr: openvpn-2.0_rc6 03:39 < mnemoc> 16* 05:54 -!- rxr_ [~rene@p213.54.200.182.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 05:54 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Enviroments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | CIA, don't ever leave us again! 05:54 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Sat Feb 19 18:03:55 2005] 05:54 [Users #t2] 05:54 [ _Ragnar__] [ daja77] [ jeru] [ mnemoc] [ praenti] [ rxr_ ] 05:54 [ CIA-9 ] [ ideal ] [ jsaw] [ nzg ] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 05:54 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal] 05:54 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 05:54 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 05:55 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs 06:03 -!- rxr [~rene@p213.54.198.193.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:06 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFD02D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:45 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFB565.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 10:15 < rxr_> moin 10:22 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.44] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:24 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFB565.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:25 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.33] has joined #t2 10:42 < valentin> jsaw: starting a flamewar on rock-devel ? 10:42 < rxr_> valentin: moin 10:42 < valentin> moin 10:42 < rxr_> valentin: can you set the precision for pixel values to 0 10:42 -!- You're now known as rxr 10:43 < valentin> ok 10:43 < valentin> write it in the TODO 10:43 < valentin> i'll continue coding tonight 10:46 < valentin> is it urgent ? 10:46 < valentin> then i'll blind-fix it now 10:46 < rxr> well not that urgent 10:46 < rxr> A. wants that we store the scan setings permanently ... 10:47 < rxr> Error report: Preview image and scanning settings are reset after terminate application 10:47 < rxr> :-( 10:47 < valentin> well, that is not an error ... 10:51 < rxr> yeah - I respond with a long text 10:51 < valentin> we could implement that when they want 10:52 < rxr> I wrote exactly this 10:52 < rxr> with many words tring to avoid it *G* 10:52 < rxr> ehrm 10:52 < rxr> valentiN! 10:52 < rxr> the slider values are not valid after driver load! 10:53 < rxr> brithness and contrast display 100! when they are 0 ... :-( 10:54 < valentin> hm ? 10:54 < valentin> oehm 10:54 < valentin> yep 10:54 < valentin> could be 10:54 < valentin> but .... 10:54 < valentin> hm 10:55 < rxr> but? 10:55 < rxr> this is a big bug ... 10:56 < valentin> but == do not remember that happened here 10:56 < valentin> rxr silently promoting linux ... 11:02 < rxr> btw. you need to add the new icon.png's to your resouces of your project builder file 11:02 < rxr> so they get installed ... 11:03 < valentin> thought so ... 11:11 < rxr> can you fix the initial slider text entry field number display easily? 11:14 -!- jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 11:15 < rxr> otherwise I would need to take are myself ... 11:15 < jeru> moin 11:15 < rxr> moin jeru 11:19 < rxr> we are on golem! 11:19 < rxr> even frontside - not just the OSS section 11:19 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/ 11:20 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0502/36425.html 11:21 < rxr> let's see how many hits that generates ;-) 11:23 < valentin> rxr: the fields or sliders ? 11:23 < rxr> the field 11:23 < valentin> aha 11:24 < valentin> so the sliders work ? 11:24 < rxr> the value shown there does not match the slider on startup 11:24 < rxr> e.g. slider is in the mid. == 0 and the field lists 100 ... 11:24 < rxr> at least here ... ;-) 11:24 < valentin> startup == first start or startup == consecutive start ? 11:25 < rxr> at least startup - I double check 11:25 < rxr> firt startup only 11:25 < rxr> (as expected) 11:25 < rxr> or - better any initial startup not the first 11:25 < rxr> but it of course works for closeds enableds 11:26 < valentin> then this may be the "hardcoded" initial value from the .nib ? 11:30 < jeru> rxr: good PR work ;) 11:30 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #t2 11:33 < rxr> moin mipe 11:33 < mipe> hi rxr 11:39 < mipe> hmm,sun jds livecd came with linux format issue, gotta try it on laptop. 11:39 < mipe> i bet it doesnt work out of the box :) 11:44 < mipe> rxr:do you have time to look over "No 2-gcc.log file" error? 11:46 < rxr> mipe - not really today 11:46 < rxr> but the error is not that 2-gcc.log does not exist, but there was some other error in the buld what lead to abort 11:46 < rxr> we should fix this error message - it is just plain stupid ... 11:47 < mipe> oh so its not just my build? 11:48 < rxr> I meant there was some basic problem before 11:48 < rxr> mabye some wrapper could not be built 11:49 < rxr> chroot does work? 11:49 < rxr> does the basic programs run smoothly ? 11:49 * rxr makign phone calls Microsoft and co ... 11:50 < mipe> yep chroot works 11:50 < rxr> hm - you need to review the log and or the build/$id/TOOLCHAIN/logs/build.log (or so) 11:51 < rxr> what error leads to the boart 11:51 < rxr> abort even 11:51 < mipe> ok,thanks for the tip 11:53 < mipe> build_target_.log? as thats the only one i see and it contains same stuff as i see on screen during build 12:00 < rxr> well - aside contacting M$ is strange they want 299EUR + taxes to fill in a software developer bug report ... 12:01 < mipe> ? you have to pay to give them a bug report? or did i misunderstood? 12:01 < rxr> yes .. 12:02 < rxr> but if it really is a bug (and I think they will take all to say it was not really their bug) one does not need to pay it ... ... 12:02 < rxr> but if e.g. my driver does set one bit wrong which triggers M$ do act strange ... they will make me pay the 346.84 EUR 12:04 < rxr> ok - let's try to trick them 12:04 < mipe> strange.... 12:04 < rxr> I download the try version (hoping it will allow scanning) 12:05 < rxr> and report the bug as I have a (test) license product bug and tell them I buy it when it works with my scanner *g* 12:05 < rxr> the problem is I have no license here - just a backtrace from an out-house testee ... 12:06 < rxr> if I would have a new license I could also fill it as app bug in the product ... 12:06 < rxr> however they might only respond in howmany days they like if at all 12:06 < rxr> with this 299EUR+taxes they would cooperate and try to take a look in the next 12 hours or so ... 12:08 < rxr> To install the Office 2004 for Mac Test Drive 12:08 < rxr> Print this page if you want to use it as a reference when you are offline. 12:08 < rxr> Make sure your computer meets the minimum system requirements for the Test Drive. 12:08 < rxr> aha - I would not imagine if not written down ... 12:31 < mipe> hmm,should "file" cmd be after stage 1? 12:36 < rxr> hm? 12:38 < mipe> nvm,during gcc configure zlib runned /usr/bin/file and didnt find it 12:38 < rxr> and it is really not there ? 12:39 < mipe> yep,file.desc says that its build on stage 5 12:40 < rxr> are you sure it is the error leading to abort the build? 12:40 < mipe> nope it doesnt abort the build,i was just wondering about that :) 12:41 < mipe> can architecture/x86-64 force include package glibc32 to build? 12:42 < rxr> it should already be automatically selected 12:42 < rxr> where is it not? 12:42 < mipe> generic 12:42 < rxr> the automatic choose is done by the [R] tag 12:43 < mipe> i added it by custom packages selection,as it was on by default, and i think desktop didnt have it too 12:43 < mipe> *wasnt on* 12:43 < rxr> hm - strange 12:44 < rxr> I need to review later duing a new cross test build 12:44 < rxr> afaics it should automatically be included 13:10 * rxr lunch - cu later 13:10 -!- ilia [~ilia@212.116.139.141] has joined #t2 13:10 < ilia> anybody here? 13:10 < mnemoc> kind of 13:11 < mnemoc> just ask :) 13:11 < ilia> i have a problem downloading from svn 13:11 < ilia> svn co svn://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk t2-trunk 13:11 < ilia> Fetching external item into 't2-trunk/source/utility' 13:11 < ilia> svn: REPORT request failed on '/gsmp/!svn/vcc/default' 13:11 < ilia> svn: REPORT of '/gsmp/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.exactcode.de) 13:11 < mnemoc> oh 13:11 < valentin> ilia: why svn:// ? 13:11 < mnemoc> try http:// 13:11 < valentin> what happens with http:// ? 13:11 < ilia> just a second 13:12 < ilia> downloading now 13:17 < valentin> when using svn:// you have to make sure that you are using exactly the same version of svn that is running on our server 13:18 < valentin> otherwise you'll risk to experience 400 Errors or so 13:19 < ilia> i`m using the latest from Debian 13:20 < valentin> latest could be too new :) 13:21 < valentin> download finished ? 13:22 < ilia> the same ! 13:22 < ilia> svn: REPORT of '/gsmp/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.exactcode.de) 13:22 < valentin> .oO 13:23 < ilia> something with my outgoing connection? 13:23 < valentin> where is rxr when one needs him ? 13:23 < valentin> ilia: don't think so 13:23 < valentin> mom 13:23 < ilia> i`ll try the third option - with the port 81 13:24 < valentin> oehm rxr: 13:24 < valentin> root@localhost:/usr/src# ls 13:24 < valentin> . .. ccbench-0.2 linux24-patches linux24benh-patches linux26-patches rock-src rock-src-2.1.0-beta3.tar.bz2 13:24 < valentin> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 13:24 < ilia> the same there. even won`t start 13:24 < valentin> !!!!!!!!!!! 13:25 < valentin> ilia: i'll try from here 13:25 < ilia> something wrong with: '/t2/!svn/vcc/default'? 13:26 < valentin> can you ls your t2-trunk directory ? 13:27 < valentin> btw: svn co worked here 13:27 < valentin> svn, version 1.1.3 (r12730) 13:27 < mipe> svn,version 1.0.6 and works here,running on ubuntu which is debian based 13:29 < ilia> its 1.1.3-1 here 13:29 < ilia> valentin: i`ve just deleted it. I`ll try again 13:30 < valentin> as long as everything else is beeing downloaded correctly you can start playing around 13:30 < valentin> imo you do not need the external utility directory 13:30 < ilia> ilia@debian:~$ svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk t2-trunk 13:30 < ilia> svn: REPORT request failed on '/t2/!svn/vcc/default' 13:31 < ilia> svn: REPORT of '/t2/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.exactcode.de) 13:31 < valentin> hm 13:32 < mipe> running on proxy? 13:32 < ilia> maybe 13:32 < ilia> hmm, yes 13:33 < mipe> thats the reason its failing i think 13:33 < ilia> what to do? 13:33 < mipe> valentin,mnemoc,rxr : ? 13:35 -!- SerWou [~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 13:36 < valentin> i have to be on work at 13:00 localtime today and now it is 13:37 13:36 < valentin> so i have to go 13:37 < mipe> ilia:you need to reconfigure proxy to allow requests to go through it 13:37 < mipe> cya valentin 13:37 < ilia> what to tell to my provider? 13:40 < mipe> that i dont know,actually i'm not sure if its the reason,i hope rxr or mnemoc will come here soon to help solve this 13:47 < ilia> i`ve contacted my provider, he will check 13:47 -!- ideal [~idealm@211.100.227.107] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:51 < mipe> one thing you could check that your proxy settings,in /etc/subversion/ or in ~/.subversion its in config or server file 13:53 < ilia> ok 13:54 * jeru is back 13:54 < jeru> hi ilia 13:54 < ilia> hi 13:54 < jeru> regarding the proxy problem 13:55 < jeru> its a problem with your proxy server, that I had too 13:55 < jeru> try to you exactcode svn server on port 81 and it should go 13:55 < jeru> I mean: try to use ;) 13:56 < ilia> ok 13:56 < jeru> there is also a small note on the t2-project.org download section, i think 13:56 < ilia> it started, i`ll have to wait 13:57 < jeru> hope this will help ;D 13:59 < mipe> hmm,still this week at school and then for week vacation :) 14:09 < ilia> it failed 14:09 < ilia> again :( 14:10 < jeru> ilia: what message? 14:10 < ilia> Fetching external item into 't2-trunk/source/utility' 14:10 < ilia> svn: REPORT request failed on '/gsmp/!svn/vcc/default' 14:10 < ilia> svn: REPORT of '/gsmp/!svn/vcc/default': 400 Bad Request (http://svn.exactcode.de) 14:11 < jeru> yep ... that's 'normal' using if you use port 81 14:11 < jeru> ilia: don't worry, if you downloaded the rest succesfully you should be fine! 14:12 < ilia> ok, thanks 14:12 < mnemoc> re 14:13 < jeru> hi menmoc :) 14:13 < mnemoc> hi jeru 14:13 < jeru> how things are running? 14:14 < mipe> iproute2 needs noparallel flag in here 14:15 < mnemoc> uhm? 14:17 < ilia> which target downloads the minimum of packages? 14:17 < mipe> i have ~87 packages with generic+minimal 14:17 < mipe> but that doesnt come with x 14:18 < ilia> is the router smaller? 14:18 < jeru> ilia: as mipe pointed out generic-minimal should be fine 14:19 < jeru> ilia: the router target is very special ;) and I think do not suite your needs 14:20 < mipe> ilia:or try mnemosyne, you can customise it quite a much to suit your needs 14:20 < ilia> I need the target that downloads the minimum files, for connection speed reasons 14:21 < mnemoc> :D 14:21 < jeru> ilia: mnemosyne is also a good choice, but it replaces sysvinit with runit ... and as mnemoc knows I like it :D 14:21 < mipe> i'd say go for mnemosyne and use expert options to disable packages you dont need 14:21 < ilia> just to test now 14:22 < jeru> mnemoc: btw: had problems yesterday with syne build 14:22 < ilia> i`m downloading now generic + minimal 14:22 < mnemoc> what problems? 14:22 < jeru> mnemoc: had problems installing init files 14:23 < mnemoc> for what package? 14:23 < mnemoc> which* 14:23 < jeru> mnemoc: iproute2 14:24 < jeru> mnemoc: will look for log ;) 14:24 < mnemoc> uhm 14:26 < jeru> mnemoc: but I think the failure is not mnemosyne, because the problem is with the "install_init" function 14:26 < mnemoc> runit's parse-config hack install_init function 14:31 < jeru> mnemoc: log for aborted sysfiles package in stage 1 14:31 < jeru> Installing 'system' init script ... 14:31 < jeru> ===[main_sf:126 (last $?=0)> install_init system /usr/src/t2-trunk/package/base/sysfiles/system.init 14:32 < mnemoc> next line? 14:32 < jeru> mnemoc: No 1-sysfiles.log file. 14:32 < jeru> --- BUILD ERROR --- 14:34 < mnemoc> can you add set -x/set +x on runit's install_init-s? 14:34 < mnemoc> and an echo on top of that parse-config to see if it is loaded 14:34 < jeru> ack 14:39 < CIA-9> amery * r6693 /trunk/package/xfce4/libexo/ (. libexo.desc): * added libexo (0.2.0) 14:39 < CIA-9> amery * r6694 /trunk/package/xfce4/xfce4-terminal/ (. xfce4-terminal.desc): * added xfce4-terminal (0.2.2) 14:41 < jeru> mnemoc: we have to examine it later ... (at work now ;) 14:43 < jeru> mnemoc: seems that it's just something with my working copy of the target :| 14:45 < mnemoc> :( 14:45 < mnemoc> ping me when you are able to debug it 14:45 < jeru> mnemoc: don't worry :) 14:46 < mnemoc> :) 14:46 < jeru> I'll do a ping 14:46 < jeru> :) 14:49 -!- ilia [~ilia@212.116.139.141] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11"] 14:56 < jeru> mnemoc: the problem is definitly in my working copy because I want to integrate minit as an alternative init system, as I told before ;) 14:58 < mnemoc> :) 14:58 < mnemoc> highly welcomed, when you get it working :p 14:58 < CIA-9> amery * r6695 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * Added mnemosyne's plugins for Security/vserver (sadly injects VLAN), Desktop/Office/{firefox,thunderbird} 14:58 < jeru> mnemoc: good that at least one is laughing ;) 14:59 < mnemoc> i always laugh, even when i want to cry 15:00 < jeru> I'll try too :) 15:01 < mnemoc> :) 15:07 < mnemoc> OT: what X's mouse option do i need to enable to get the wheel working? 15:08 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 15:08 * mnemoc installs about 5-6 linux-es per month but only one with 1 per year :\ 15:08 < mnemoc> with X per year* 15:09 < jeru> Option "ZaxisMapping" "4 5" 15:09 < mnemoc> thanks 15:09 < jeru> mnemoc: ^ xorg.conf option that works for me 15:09 < jeru> :') 15:09 < mnemoc> smile you dammit 15:10 < jsaw_> re 15:10 < jeru> mnemoc: sure master :) 15:10 < jeru> hi jsaw 15:10 < jsaw_> hi jeru 15:10 < mnemoc> wb jsaw_ :D 15:11 < mnemoc> jsaw: how have you been? 15:11 < jsaw_> hi mnemoc 15:11 < jsaw_> We're all fine. Installed GrandMa (TM) 1.0. So I'm pretty relaxed. 15:12 < jeru> mnemoc: I think you'll need this too for xorg.conf -> Option "Protocol" "IMPS/2" 15:12 < jsaw_> Steffi comes home tomorrow. When she's back and starts giving commands, you can ask again ;) 15:12 < jeru> :) 15:13 < mnemoc> hehehe 15:13 < mnemoc> three women giving commands, i know that :) 15:13 < jsaw_> yeah... 15:16 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:16 -!- jsaw_ is now known as jsaw 15:16 < mnemoc> jsaw: btw, what is "GrandMa (TM) 1.0"? 15:17 < jsaw> Steffi's mother, my mom carries the 2.0 version... :D 15:17 < mnemoc> hehehe 15:31 < CIA-9> amery * r6696 /trunk/package/base/runit/packages/ (3 files): * added mnemosyne's udhcpd init script 15:38 < jeru> mnemoc: wanna add syslog-ng option to syne ... something against placing it into Services as "coice"? 15:39 < jeru> choice 15:39 < mnemoc> instead of socklog? 15:39 < mnemoc> add it on Base, not Service 15:39 < mnemoc> standalone machine also needs it 15:40 < jeru> btw: does socklog network logging ? 15:40 < mnemoc> yep 15:40 < mnemoc> and very reliably 15:40 < jeru> ahh ... :) 15:41 < rxr> re 15:41 < jsaw> hi rxr 15:43 < rxr> hi jsaw and all ;-) 15:43 < jeru> hir rxr 15:54 < rxr> just calling minolta regarding the driver source 15:55 < mnemoc> what happened with the opensource? 15:56 < mnemoc> jeru: your option worked with protocol=auto too :) 15:56 < rxr> works 15:57 < rxr> but i want to make the company aware of the problem 15:58 < mnemoc> :) 15:58 < rxr> wha t linux? 15:58 < rxr> T2 15:58 < rxr> :-) 15:58 < mnemoc> :D 15:59 < mnemoc> rxr: how would you handle [D]'s of postlinux.conf packages when emerging kernel? 15:59 < jeru> have to leave ... cu later 15:59 -!- jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11"] 16:01 < rxr> was quite friendly ... 16:02 < rxr> mnemoc: I do not know yet (regarding the [D]s ... 16:03 < mnemoc> rxr: you got an CRM number and they will call you back some day? 16:03 < rxr> yep 16:04 < rxr> and they now konw t2 as linux distribution ... 16:04 < rxr> "Not RedHat, not suse?" 16:04 < rxr> no 16:04 < rxr> hm - ok ;-) 16:05 < mnemoc> :D 16:05 < mnemoc> rxr still on PR mode :p 16:10 < rxr> nope - in your "expensive laser printer does not work under Linux" ;-) 16:11 < mnemoc> oh 16:12 < CIA-9> amery * r6697 /trunk/package/base/runit/packages/ (3 files): * added mnemosyne's devfsd init script 16:18 < jsaw> okay, have to do some more shopping, cu! 16:19 < mnemoc> cu 16:23 < mnemoc> which are the modules to make alsa looks like oss? 16:34 < CIA-9> amery * r6698 /trunk/package/base/runit/packages/ (devfsd-runit-devfsd_log_run.txt devfsd-runit-devfsd_run.txt): * removed +x from runit's devfsd scripts 16:36 < rxr> snd_pcm_oss 16:36 < rxr> snd_mixer_oss 16:37 < mnemoc> on etc/conf/kernel ? 16:37 < rxr> oehm 16:38 < rxr> should be auto-loaded vi /etc/modules* 16:38 < mnemoc> yes? 16:38 < mnemoc> uhm 16:38 < rxr> or lead it in your /etc/modules *g* 16:38 < mnemoc> hehe 16:38 < rxr> /etc/conf/kernel I meant 16:39 < mnemoc> :) 16:39 < mnemoc> i prefer them on modules.devfsd or modules.conf 16:53 < CIA-9> amery * r6699 /trunk/package/network/udhcp/ (rocknet_udhcp.sh t2-default.script udhcp.conf): 16:53 < CIA-9> * fixed udhcp sysconfdir to be unique 16:53 < CIA-9> * added udhcp simple rocknet module 16:53 < CIA-9> * added udhcp default client script, WIP. 17:13 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 17:18 < mnemoc> arrrrrg! /me downloading nvidia for ia64 to be able to build his kernel 17:24 < rxr> yeah, ... 17:26 < mnemoc> archdir considered harmfull :| 17:26 < rxr> no 17:26 -!- _Ragnar__ [loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:26 < rxr> just the limitatoins of the current framework ... 17:27 < rxr> but we should think about a real solution and not add rock alike work arounds ... 17:28 < mnemoc> i'm replacing archdir with match_source_file when i found it 17:29 < rxr> ah that one 17:29 < rxr> I thought you consider download all [D]s harmful ... ;-) 17:29 < CIA-9> amery * r6700 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Base/Network/ (5 files): * added mnemosyne DHCP client options: (none,isc,dhcpcd,udhcp) being udhcp the default. 17:30 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:34 < mnemoc> rxr: yes, too.... but conditional [D] may need a per-package helper to work decently 17:34 < mnemoc> or .desc explicit conditionally.... like on $pkg-% 17:35 < rxr> no 17:36 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 17:36 < rxr> we need a real solution - not a workaround for each corner case 17:38 < mnemoc> 2.2 :) 17:38 < rxr> yep 17:47 -!- ilia [~ilia@212.116.139.141] has joined #t2 17:51 -!- jsaw_ [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:51 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFFDF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 17:52 < jeru> re 17:52 < mnemoc> re jeru 17:53 < ilia> how to update a package in the source? just change some lines in it`s config file? 17:53 < jeru> mnemoc: :) 17:54 < mnemoc> ilia: the quick way is : sh mics/archive/Update package version 17:54 < mnemoc> Update.sh 17:54 < mnemoc> that will 'change the lines' for you 17:56 < ilia> i mean I want to help updating the packages, will this work? 17:56 < mnemoc> sure 17:56 < mnemoc> what package needs updating? 17:56 < mnemoc> check if it builds before sending the patch 17:57 < mnemoc> i have about hundred updating pending due to problems building 17:57 < mnemoc> updates* 17:58 < ilia> i just saw that Amarok 1.2 is out 17:58 < ilia> it`s -beta4 in the svn tree 17:59 < mnemoc> update it, build it, send the patch :) 18:00 < mnemoc> ilia: you can use ./scripts/Check-PkgVersion to check for updates too :) 18:00 < ilia> where to send? in the mailing list? 18:01 < mnemoc> yes, with [PATCH] as subject prefix 18:03 < ilia> bye 18:03 -!- ilia [~ilia@212.116.139.141] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11"] 18:33 < CIA-9> amery * r6701 /trunk/package/network/udhcp/ (rocknet_udhcp.sh udhcp.conf): * improved udhcp rocknet module to support supervision 19:31 -!- _Ragnar_ [loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net] has joined #t2 20:28 < rxr> rehi 20:37 < mnemoc> rehi 20:40 < mnemoc> rxr: why did you removed ccache rule on bootdisk's build_stage2? 20:44 < rxr> hm - now that you mention it - it should more likely stay there just to use it during the build ... 20:48 < mnemoc> build_stage2.sh: -cache does that 20:48 < rxr> I know the mechanism ... 20:48 < mnemoc> i know :) 20:48 < mnemoc> but that was what you removed :p 20:49 < rxr> I rmeoved it from the config.in, too - hm? 20:49 < mnemoc> no no.... i had added a rule to not install it, and i pkgsel it X ccache 20:49 < mnemoc> but now the rule on build_stage2 is gone 20:50 < rxr> readdd it to stage2 - I'm sorry 20:51 < CIA-9> amery * r6702 /trunk/package/network/openvpn/openvpn.desc: * updated openvpn (2.0-rc6 -> 2.0_rc16) 20:52 < CIA-9> amery * r6703 /trunk/package/www/links/links.desc: * added checksum for links 20:52 < mnemoc> rxr: how is you avision/osx announcemente going? 20:52 < rxr> I do not do it .. 20:53 < rxr> Avision does it - so no idea ... 20:53 < rxr> I just have to mess with the code ... 20:53 < mnemoc> you do the work and they get the money :) 21:13 -!- mipe [~mipe@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["sleep"] 21:25 -!- Postal [~edinatux1@ool-4356292a.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2 21:25 < Postal> hey all 21:25 < Postal> what do you make of this? 21:25 < Postal> libtool: link: cannot find the library `usr/lib/libatk-1.0.la' 21:25 < Postal> make[2]: *** [rsvg-view] Error 1 21:25 < Postal> make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/librsvg-2.8.1' 21:25 < Postal> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 21:25 < Postal> make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/librsvg-2.8.1' 21:25 < Postal> make: *** [all] Error 2 21:31 < mnemoc> rxr: where are kernel module on bootdisk now? 21:31 < mnemoc> Postal: do you have libatk-1.0.la there? 21:33 < rxr> mnemoc: I removed them all, because they are far to fat 21:33 < rxr> add the ones you need to the initrd ... 21:33 < rxr> of the bootdisk ... 21:33 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you miss? lvm2 or so ? 21:33 < mnemoc> dm 21:33 < rxr> add them to the bootdisk's stage1 21:33 < rxr> that is where they belong 21:33 < rxr> to 21:34 < mnemoc> what's the procedure? hardcoding? 21:34 < rxr> imagine how fat the 2nd stage got on PowerPC with 3 kernel's module subdirs 21:34 < mnemoc> hehe 21:34 < rxr> for now yes 21:34 < rxr> echo_status "Copy scsi and network kernel modules." 21:34 < rxr> build_stage1.sh 21:35 < Postal> rxr, this is for a friend of mine using gentoo, first he got a waiting for unfinished jobs error, but after removing the parallel make, it complains about the same lib... not sure why... 21:35 < mnemoc> Postal: do you have atk1 installed? 21:38 < Postal> mnemoc, he has libtak-1.0.1.so... will that do or dose he need the .a version? 21:39 < mnemoc> the 'devel' split or something like that 21:40 < Postal> mnemoc, yeah, hes got atk 21:41 < mnemoc> is it's .la where libtool want's it? 21:42 < Postal> im not sure what you mean 21:42 < mnemoc> you got an error from libtool 21:42 < Postal> right, 21:42 -!- cyrus82 [~martin@blfd-d9bb9c6d.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 21:42 < cyrus82> hi 21:42 < Postal> im bringing the guy in here.., speak of the devil 21:43 < Postal> mnemoc, meet cyrus82 21:43 < Postal> cyrus82, meet mnemoc 21:43 < Postal> ;-) 21:43 < mnemoc> am i wrong or you are building by hand? 21:43 < mnemoc> o_O 21:43 < mnemoc> hi cyrus82 21:43 < Postal> cyrus82, this is by hand right 21:43 < cyrus82> hi. I get the same error... building with portage, or building by hand 21:43 < mnemoc> try using T2 ;) 21:44 < Postal> mnemoc, be nice 21:44 < cyrus82> http://schwier.cc/librsvg-build 21:44 < Postal> mnemoc, not everyone wants to spend all that time compling everything like you and me 21:45 < mnemoc> people who use gentoo spends more time than we compiling stuff 21:45 < mnemoc> the error is clear, you miss a .la from libatk-1 21:45 < mnemoc> install it, an on /usr prefix 21:46 < cyrus82> no, /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.la is right in place 21:46 < Postal> cyrus82, apparently not 21:46 < Postal> ;- 21:46 < cyrus82> but look at the message: 21:46 < cyrus82> libtool: link: cannot find the library `usr/lib/libatk-1.0.la' 21:46 < Postal> mnemoc, i was thinking T2 should have a live cd 21:46 < mnemoc> it misses the heading / 21:47 < cyrus82> there is a missing slash at the beginning of usr 21:47 < cyrus82> yes 21:47 < mnemoc> Postal: we have, but it needs to be re-worked 21:47 < Postal> mnemocn, is there a 64 bit version ;-) 21:47 < mnemoc> Postal: you will build it and share it 21:47 < Postal> lol ok 21:48 < mnemoc> or send me an amd64 and i can give you a livecd back 21:48 < Postal> mnemoc, i am going to denote one of my HD's, just to testing T2 21:48 < mnemoc> :) 21:49 < Postal> mnemoc, couldnt you cross compile a live cd? 21:49 < Postal> mnemoc, why is the missing slash important? 21:49 < mnemoc> without the slash the path is _relative_ 21:49 < Postal> relative to what? 21:50 < mnemoc> Postal: i prefer to build native, so send me the hardware 21:50 < Postal> LOL 21:50 < mnemoc> relative to your $PWD 21:50 < mnemoc> brb 21:50 < Postal> send me money and ill send you hardware ;-) 21:51 < Postal> cyrus82, and luck with --prefix=/usr? 21:51 < cyrus82> no 21:51 < Postal> hmmm 21:51 < Postal> rxr, and ideas, your the king of this stuff.. 21:52 < mnemoc> pkg-config can be responsable 21:52 < cyrus82> mnemoc: do you know from where libtool gets the path to libatk ? 21:52 < Postal> pkg-config...? 21:52 < Postal> prehaps 21:53 < cyrus82> the entries in /usr/lib/pkgconfig/atk.pc are correct 21:53 < Postal> is pkg-config reporting any errors, due to dependencies? 21:53 < cyrus82> no 21:53 < Postal> hmm 21:53 < Postal> you seem to have quite the problem 21:54 < mnemoc> cat /dev/zero > /dev/hda 21:54 < cyrus82> it has anything todo with the lib32/lib64 layout from gentoo 21:54 < mnemoc> no idea about lib32/lib64 layout of gentoo 21:55 < mnemoc> maybe gentoo people knows 21:55 < Postal> cyrus82, i would just set a -emul-linux-x86 USE variable and have a true 64 bit linux 21:55 < Postal> mnemoc, the gentoo people dont seem to know lol... thats the problem.. 21:55 < Postal> ;-) i was hoping you might know 21:55 < cyrus82> i don't know if this solves the problem. and i need 32bit application support, too 21:57 < mnemoc> cyrus82: try removing atk and friends and start from zero 21:57 < cyrus82> it's a fresh installation... i don't think this will change the situation 22:00 < Postal> cyrus82, you could always try, it is possible something went wrong.. 22:00 < cyrus82> i did it a few times yesterday 22:01 < Postal> well, at some point soon mnemoc will run out of ideas.. then you will be sol 22:03 < Postal> mnemoc, why does it take longer to compile in gentoo than in t2? 22:03 < rxr> Postal: gentoo compiles longer ? 22:04 < Postal> rxr, thats what mnemoc said lol 22:04 < mnemoc> on T2 you build once and install n 22:04 < mnemoc> on Gentoo you build n to install n 22:04 < mnemoc> that's what i mean 22:05 < Postal> rxr, meet cyrus82 the somewhat frustrated gentoo user... cyrus82 meet rxr, the king of patches.. 22:05 < Postal> ;-) 22:05 < Postal> mnemoc ok now ic 22:05 < Postal> mnemoc, but gentoo does have a larger repoitory? 22:06 < cyrus82> gentoo has package management 22:06 < mnemoc> we too 22:06 < Postal> cyrus82, so does t2 22:06 < cyrus82> oh, ok 22:06 < Postal> ...t2's is better in my opinion 22:06 < Postal> but thats just me 22:06 < cyrus82> what kind of? 22:07 < mnemoc> what kind of what? 22:07 < Postal> prehaps mnemoc can explain better than I can 22:07 < cyrus82> what kind of package management 22:07 < cyrus82> (how does it work) 22:07 * Postal steps off and hands the mic to mnemoc or rxr 22:07 < mnemoc> we have .gem files (like .rpm) and using `mine` tool you can install, update, list, query or remove them 22:08 < Postal> but its all done from source with minimal patched, so everything that i compiled is optimized for your system 22:08 < mnemoc> you can use `mine` over packages installed as .gem and over files 'emerged' 22:08 < cyrus82> so you have a database which contains all installed packages and files? 22:08 < mnemoc> you can call it a database 22:08 < Postal> lol 22:09 < cyrus82> ah i see. this is a rock linux fork 22:09 < mnemoc> yep 22:09 < Postal> ;-) 22:09 < mnemoc> we use to be part of ROCK 22:10 < cyrus82> but i think you don't have yet a combined 64/32bit enviroment 22:10 < Postal> mnemoc, what gcc version are we using currently..? 22:10 < mnemoc> 3.4.3 22:11 < Postal> so the newest then... 22:11 < mnemoc> cyrus82: i'm not sure but i think rxr finished that work 22:11 * rxr starting to expore 4.0 soon 22:11 < Postal> rxr, did you ever get glibc32 to work? 22:11 < rxr> well - there is a pending patch ... 22:11 < rxr> let me pull it in 22:12 < Postal> lol, does that mean at some point you would like me to test it? 22:12 < mnemoc> Postal: you are free to test whatever you want to test 22:12 < Postal> mnemoc lol 22:12 < mnemoc> :) 22:13 < Postal> mnemoc, do you think it would be better to build a minimal with X and desktop and test there... or to build a generic and fix as we go? 22:13 < mnemoc> generic is fat 22:14 < mnemoc> is you want minimal use generic + a template 22:14 < mnemoc> minimal or minimal+xorg 22:15 < cyrus82> gentoo is fat? gentoo is flexible and in an advanced development state 22:15 < mnemoc> for desktop, desktop target is a good choice 22:15 < mnemoc> cyrus82: when did i say gentoo is fat? 22:16 < cyrus82> oh, you said generic, not gentoo... sorry for that :) 22:17 < CIA-9> rene * r6704 /trunk/package/base/glibc32/ (glibc32.conf make-install-lib-all.patch): 22:17 < CIA-9> mipe<@IRC>: 22:17 < CIA-9> * fixed glibc32 to install all libs 22:18 < Postal> rxr, ill test it tonight, my box is busy for a while 22:18 < rxr> mipe said he still has some issues ... 22:19 < mnemoc> rxr: you need to ask mipe for his mail address 22:19 < rxr> yes 22:19 < rxr> and his full name 22:19 < rxr> but I think he already wrote to the mailing lsit ... 22:19 < rxr> list even 22:19 < Postal> i need to sign up for that 22:19 < rxr> and when he continues hand im write access one day *g* 22:20 < mnemoc> yep :) 22:21 -!- cyrus82 [~martin@blfd-d9bb9c6d.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:24 < Postal> ah well if he could only see the light 22:24 < mnemoc> :) 22:26 < _Ragnar_> :) 22:27 -!- _Ragnar_ is now known as Ragnar 22:27 -!- Ragnar is now known as _Ragnar_ 22:28 < mnemoc> hi _Ragnar_ 22:28 < _Ragnar_> hey mnemoc ;) 22:29 < Postal> hi _Ragnar_ 22:33 < Postal> mnemoc, so what exactly is wrong with the live cd? 22:33 < rxr> it is not done well and clean 22:33 < mnemoc> Postal: try it, but it's on rene's TODO to re-write it 22:33 < rxr> it does not do hardware and X detectin well enough 22:33 < rxr> it is not comfortable and so on ... 22:33 < rxr> in short it was done my some old-school unix hacker ... 22:34 < mnemoc> :) 22:34 < Postal> rxr, does it have an estimated completion date? 22:34 < rxr> I plan is to move it on the top of my TODO since it is a necessary feature 22:34 < mnemoc> rxr: 2.1? 22:34 < rxr> maybe I even finish it before we label 2.1 -final ... 22:34 < rxr> but i'm not sure yet 22:34 < rxr> the next exams are so early ... 22:35 < mnemoc> it would be very good 22:35 < rxr> maybe it will show up for 2.1.2 or so ... 22:35 < Postal> rxr, do we plan to have x? 22:35 < rxr> it will be done in the next 2 month ... 22:35 < Postal> in the live cd that is? 22:35 < rxr> on the live cd? sure 22:35 < Postal> with prehaps gnome and firefox and xchat? 22:35 < rxr> the current one has, too - just not autoconfiguring 22:36 < rxr> or better only fireing up some non-accelerated vesa or fb one ... :-( 22:36 < rxr> the desktop environment to use will be some option to swith 22:36 < rxr> kde, gnome or xfce ... 22:36 < Postal> If we can put out a good 64bit one ie with X and all that, we might draw ALOT of 64bit users... my vote is for gnome 22:37 < Postal> do we have transset and xcompmanager in the repository? 22:37 < rxr> well - my vote is anything but gnome - so it will be some option - to build on out of t2-gnome-cd t2-kde-cd or t2-xfce-cd ... 22:37 < rxr> xcompmgr yes 22:38 < rxr> I do not think transset 22:38 < rxr> but transset is just some example app 22:38 < Postal> ..? 22:38 < rxr> both recent kde and gnome have it in the window manager to right click context menu and such transparent adjustments ... 22:38 < Postal> yeah, but the patched version is much better... 22:39 < rxr> but transparency is currently only fast either with the nvidia binary driver or the experimental xgl opengl based X server ... 22:39 < Postal> well, i have a nvidia card... 22:39 < Postal> so wouldent i want to use a nvidia binary.. therfore making it fast? 22:39 * rxr avoid binary only stuff like the plague ... 22:39 < _Ragnar_> rxr: not with the ati one? 22:40 < rxr> the ati binary dirver? 22:40 < Postal> wait, why is it not fast with the kernel module? 22:40 < rxr> or the open source one? 22:40 < rxr> what kernel module ? 22:40 < Postal> ie the one that nvidia distributes themselves 22:40 < rxr> yes -that is fast 22:40 < rxr> 22:39 < rxr> but transparency is currently only fast either with the nvidia 22:40 < rxr> binary driver or the experimental xgl opengl based X server ... 22:41 < _Ragnar_> the binary 22:41 < Postal> right, but your saying to avoid the binary that nvidia disributes? 22:41 < Postal> or am i confused? 22:42 < rxr> well - I avoid to get hardware in the house that only runs with binary only stuff 22:42 < rxr> that is no nvidia card here ... 22:42 < Postal> well, as i have nvidia, my best option is still to use it no... 22:43 < rxr> yes sure ,-) 22:43 < Postal> even though its binary? 22:44 < Postal> it is in the repository... the nvidia 64 binary i think... i remember cause i asked you to put it in, ten we could not get it to work due to kernel source problems i think 22:44 < rxr> as it is way faster than the open source driver and does 3D ... 22:44 < rxr> it should compile these days 22:45 < Postal> is it default to enable or i should say include kernel source in t2 distos? 22:45 < mnemoc> at least t2's nvidia ia32 runs perfect 22:46 < mnemoc> default 22:46 < rxr> there is nothing to do to bulit it ... ;-( 22:46 < Postal> cause i remember it not being in /usr/src/when i wanted it 22:46 < rxr> ;-) even 22:46 < mnemoc> Postal: we don't have /usr/src/linux 22:46 < rxr> there is no /usr/src/linux source copy in t2 - all 3rd party kernel stuff is build when you build a kernel 22:47 < Postal> err, well wouldent it be better to include the kernel source in /usr/src? 22:47 < mnemoc> no reason to do it 22:48 < rxr> it just wasts space 22:48 < Postal> other than if i wanted to dl the nvidia binary and build it myself... 22:48 < rxr> one can always extract it when you want to tinker in it 22:48 < rxr> but we see no reason to waste hundreds of MB on any workstation t2 is installed to 22:48 < rxr> and you want to get the 3rd party modules matching to the kernel t2 built anyway 22:48 < Postal> so what your saying is when my kernel is built, the nvidia module should be built also... 22:49 < rxr> so it is a must to build them when the kernel is built 22:49 < mnemoc> Postal: if you update nvidia package, your next build of kernel will include it 22:49 < rxr> Postal: it just works already 22:49 < rxr> all done by t2 22:49 < rxr> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg linux26 builds it all ... 22:49 < rxr> as does Build-Target when it gets to linux26 22:49 < rxr> or linux24, linux24benh or linux24-psionw ... 22:49 < Postal> so it builds nvidia automaticly with my t2 kernel, so all i have to do is to edit my xorg config file to use it... 22:49 < rxr> yep 22:50 < Postal> thats quite a tick, how did you make it do that? 22:50 < rxr> well - I made some Build-Pkg tweaks to be able to build so named "sub-packages" 22:51 < rxr> this is currently only implemented for the linux packages specefically 22:51 < mnemoc> Postal: that is T2 for, to make the hard parts of creating a distro, easy. 22:51 < rxr> for some later release we will design some real objected oriented package inheritance and extension concept 22:51 < Postal> i assume that the code with these tweaks are viewable, if i wanted to try and pick through them and learn somthing? 22:51 < rxr> but I / we still need to do a lot of research and thinking until we get the blueprint for that 22:51 < rxr> Postal: Build-Pkg and functions 22:52 < mnemoc> Postal: sure, it's inside linux24.conf iirc 22:52 < rxr> in scripts as well as package/base/linu24/linux24.conf 22:52 < mnemoc> ah, that part, yes 22:52 < Postal> and same for 2.6? 22:52 < Postal> rxr, can i not build the 2.4 kernel and not cause problems? 22:52 < mnemoc> linux26 use linux24 configuration 22:52 < Postal> cause i know it builds in stage 1 22:53 < mnemoc> Postal: Config -> Expert -> Package Selection -> '- linux24' 22:53 < Postal> ok then 22:54 < rxr> Postal: look into package/base/linux26/linux26.conf 22:54 < rxr> it just reads s.th. like: 22:54 < rxr> # do the same as linux24: 22:54 < Postal> im using my box to cross compile somethings for a friend right now... when its done, ill hook up my other hard drive and mount it to /mnt/t2 22:54 < rxr> . $base/package/*/linux24/linux24.conf 22:54 < rxr> ;-) 22:54 < mnemoc> Postal: you should try to use T2 on native builds, understand it, and just then start playing with cross-compiles 22:55 < rxr> the other kernels (linux24benh and linux24-psionw do the same) 22:55 < Postal> mnemoc, im not compiling t2 lol 22:55 < Postal> i always compile t2 native 22:55 < Postal> im compiling on Debian 22:57 < mnemoc> you don't compile t2, you compile _with_ T2 22:57 < Postal> well, no, you first have to compile with your host system, then you compile with t2.. 22:57 < mnemoc> :) 22:58 < Postal> otherwise, i hope you can crunch alot of number pretty fast in your head ;-) 22:59 < Postal> I have to say though, the more i use apt the more i like it... other than the fact that it is not as bleeding edge as say t2 is.. 22:59 < Postal> but as far as binary package managers go it is the best 23:00 < Postal> wouldent you agree? 23:01 < mnemoc> some day we my try to use stuff like apt on T2 23:01 < Postal> but would it work... we are not using binary packages after all, and emerge-pkg, solves deps does it not? 23:02 < rxr> well - not perfectly but it tries ... ;-) 23:02 < mnemoc> you, Postal, create a distro using T2. and you (Postal) are responsable of keeping up-to-date binaries for your distro 23:02 < rxr> valentin is in the deps-ng department 23:03 < Postal> mnemoc right 23:03 < mnemoc> so users of your distro can use apt-get 23:03 < Postal> what might be good, is a gui to interface with the current package system, much like synaptic... 23:04 < rxr> Postal: a gui packaging and build frontend is also on the TODO for 3.0 ;-) 23:04 < Postal> thats a little ways away ;-) 23:04 < mnemoc> we are open to patches if you want to add a GUI packaging and builing fronted 23:04 < mnemoc> front-end 23:04 < Postal> mnemoc, my programming skills are minimal at best 23:05 < mnemoc> our time is minimal too :) 23:05 < Postal> im working to get better at C++ right now.. but its rather a long process im afarid 23:05 < Postal> :-( 23:06 < mnemoc> T2-2.2 will have lot of C++ 23:06 < Postal> well then i guess it will be a useful thing to know 23:07 < rxr> 2.2? I thought 3.0 ... 23:07 < jsaw> re 23:07 < mnemoc> :) 23:07 < rxr> hi jsaw !!! 23:07 < jsaw> hi rxr 23:08 < Postal> hey jsaw 23:08 < mnemoc> if jsaw visits us more often, it may be on 2.2 :) 23:08 < jsaw> hi Postal 23:08 < jsaw> y hola mnemoc 23:08 < mnemoc> hola jsaw 23:08 < Postal> como esta jsaw? 23:08 < jsaw> muy bien, gracias 23:09 < mnemoc> *g* 23:09 < jsaw> :D 23:09 < Postal> tu habla espanol mucho o un poco? 23:09 < jsaw> un pocito 23:09 < mnemoc> tu hablas* 23:09 < mnemoc> usted habla* 23:09 < mnemoc> un poquito* 23:10 < jsaw> ...................... 23:10 < Postal> me espanol es my malo lol 23:10 < jsaw> lol 23:10 < Postal> just what i learn in school lol 23:10 < mnemoc> s/me/mi/ :) 23:10 < mnemoc> my english is pathetic too 23:10 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFFDF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11"] 23:10 < mnemoc> i feel like tarzan most of the time 23:11 < Postal> mnemoc, i never knew you spoke spanish? 23:11 < mnemoc> i am Chilean 23:11 < Postal> LOL 23:11 < jsaw> mnemoc is in bug correction mode... 23:11 < mnemoc> :) 23:11 < Postal> lol 23:11 < mnemoc> jsaw: i guess you wanted to know how is it properly written 23:11 < jsaw> yep, thanks! 23:12 < mnemoc> :) 23:12 < mnemoc> Postal: without asking google, do you know where Chile is? 23:12 < jsaw> :) 23:12 < rxr> mnemoc: we already had this ;-) 23:12 < Postal> i thought that hablas would be like saying he speaks spanish... and habla was you... tu form..? and yes i do its in south america next to argentina 23:12 < rxr> jsaw: how is life ? 23:13 < mnemoc> rxr: :D 23:14 < jsaw> rxr: my brain is pretty much on standby, waiting for one process to finish (the scheduler, re-calculating time-shares ...) 23:14 < jsaw> otherwise fine, thanks 23:14 < mnemoc> jsaw: ready for the family flood? 23:14 < Postal> ohh ohh, i just got a mini fridge and a hotplate for my room, so now i guess I will never see the sun again 23:15 < jsaw> mnemoc: yes. Pretty much everything is prepared (thanks to GrandMa (TM) 1.0). 23:15 < jsaw> :))) 23:15 < mnemoc> :) 23:15 < Postal> lol 23:15 < mnemoc> is the second instance of GrandMa present too? 23:16 < jsaw> not yet. She'll appear next week or so. But not for that long. They do not get along that well... 23:16 < mnemoc> tipical 23:16 < Postal> hehe 23:16 < Postal> typical* 23:16 < mnemoc> :p 23:16 < jsaw> *grin* 23:17 < mnemoc> thanks 23:17 < Postal> see, now when i butcher spanish you can correct me just to spite me ;-) 23:17 < mnemoc> Postal: feel free to correct me, i need to improve my english 23:18 < Postal> mnemoc, i think from time to time, i will speak to you in spanish so i can learn it better... 23:18 < Postal> I would actually really like to learn it its the only other language i know and im bad at it lol 23:18 < mnemoc> Postal: you are welcome 23:21 < Postal> mnemoc, by the way, your english is actually very good, most of the time, you speak better than most americans lol 23:21 < mnemoc> rxr: should i add dm to default bootdisk' stage1? 23:21 < mnemoc> Postal: o_O 23:21 < rxr> yes 23:22 < Postal> mnemoc diddnt you already talk about that...? 23:22 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFFDF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 23:23 < rxr> hi jsaw 23:23 [Users #t2] 23:23 [ _Ragnar_] [ daja77] [ jsaw ] [ nzg ] [ praenti] [ SerWou ] 23:23 [ CIA-9 ] [ jeru ] [ mnemoc] [ Postal] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 23:23 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 12 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 12 normal] 23:23 < mnemoc> Postal: no idea, i forget very fast 23:23 < Postal> lol 23:23 < mnemoc> rxr: jeru 23:23 < Postal> lol 23:23 < rxr> yeah - hi jeru 23:23 < rxr> sorry /me hacking mainly right now ... 23:23 < mnemoc> :) 23:23 < rxr> that is tinkering the usb i/o path to harden it ... 23:24 < Postal> rxr, your always tinkering with some kind of usb i/o type of thing 23:24 < jeru> rxr: re hi 23:24 < rxr> Postal: need to get a Mac OSX scanner driver production ready ... 23:25 < Postal> rxr this is your real life job then? 23:25 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/avision-osx-cut.tiff 23:25 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/avision-osx.tiff 23:25 < jsaw> real life... hehe ... officially he's a student... that's got nothing to do with real life 23:25 < rxr> Postal: nope - just a temporary thing 23:26 < CIA-9> amery * r6705 /trunk/target/bootdisk/build_stage1.sh: * added device-mapper module (dm-mod.ko) to bootdisk's stage1. 23:26 < rxr> Postal: mainly doing linux stuff here ... 23:26 < rxr> but I do the Avision SANE backend for years already ... 23:27 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/oss/avision/ 23:28 < CIA-9> amery * r6706 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Console/ (interactivity.all interactivity.ask): * changed mnemosyne's interactivity plugin optional 23:28 < rxr> and now it comes handy for the manufactor when they need a OSX drivekr ... f 23:31 < Postal> ic 23:31 < CIA-9> amery * r6707 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/ (IMAP.ask MTA.qmail.choice MTA.vmailmgr.choice): 23:31 < CIA-9> * added mnemosyne's IMAP plugin 23:31 < CIA-9> * changed mnemosyne's vmailmgr plugin to not include IMAP and procmail 23:31 < CIA-9> * added mnemosyne's qmail (pure) plugin 23:36 < Postal> oh, if i never have to bootstrap again it will be too soon 23:37 < rxr> su 23:37 < rxr> uhm 23:37 < mnemoc> at least you didn't type your passwd :) 23:37 < Postal> im bootstrapping gentoo onto my 64bit box for my stable distro (t2-64 is kinda still in testing...) and its bloody boring 23:38 < Postal> its been at it for a solid 2 hours, i could have built most of t2, and many of the optional packages by this point lol 23:39 < Postal> it seems to do things, in a very round about way... 23:39 < rxr> mnemoc: yep 23:42 < Postal> after a while of staring at compiler output, you start to see little patterns in the text :-) 23:46 < Postal> WHOO its done YEAY 23:47 * Postal dances around room 23:47 < mnemoc> o_O 23:48 * mnemoc hates to move backups 23:49 < Postal> ok, now only 70 packages to emerge, a kernel to compile, and a bunch of system critical scripts to write by hand... then i can log in to compile X and gnome lol 23:50 < mnemoc> lot of fun 23:51 < mnemoc> great usage of the time 23:52 < Postal> yeah.. not lol 23:53 < Postal> gentoo pisses me off, but once its installed, it is very good 23:54 < mnemoc> thanks god it is, imagine all those men hours invested to get something bad 23:54 < Postal> lol, its a nice stable, pure 64bit optimized enviroment, from which to start from 23:55 < Postal> i would use debian but they use xfree86 23:55 < rxr> well - they have 32bit stuff in it, too 23:55 < rxr> and stkrangely donea 23:55 < mnemoc> .oO 23:55 < rxr> some /emul/linux-i386 s.th. hackery 23:55 < Postal> rxr, they dont when i set the USE option to weed it out 23:55 < rxr> and then you have no grub or what ? 23:55 < rxr> grub in it's current version required to be compiled 32bit ... 23:55 < Postal> -emul-linux-x86... they figured out a way to fix it i suppose 23:56 < mnemoc> o_O 23:56 < Postal> all i know is that USE=" -emul-linux-x86" means no x86 at all 23:56 < Postal> no 32 bit 23:57 < Postal> prehaps we should take a look at there grub patch files 23:58 < mnemoc> i'm not sure if i want an emulated ia32 23:58 < rxr> it is not emualted 23:58 < rxr> x86-64 can run them just fine 23:58 < mnemoc> USE=" -emul-linux-x86" 23:58 < rxr> sometimes the performance is even a few % points higher 23:59 < mnemoc> nice :) 23:59 < rxr> it is like vm86 mode on i386 - just without less hackery ... 23:59 < rxr> x86-64 windows even ships with most stuff 32bit and what is 64bit also as 32bit version since the 64bit directx does not work with 32bit games and the 64bit IE doesnot run 32bit activeX crap ... 23:59 < rxr> windows 64 is full of ugly stuff --- Log closed Tue Feb 22 00:00:00 2005