T2 IRC Log: 2005-03-01

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--- Log opened Tue Mar 01 00:00:00 2005
--- Day changed Tue Mar 01 2005
00:00 < mnemoc_> the second exam is additional to the thesis
00:11 < CIA-9> amery * r6909 /trunk/package/network/nss_ldap/ (nss_ldap.conf samplesdir.patch): * improved nss_ldap to use pkgprefix and to install default config on $docdir
00:14 < CIA-9> rene * r6910 /trunk/package/network/slmodem/slmodem.desc:
00:14 < CIA-9> * removed x86-64 flag from slmodem, since AFAICS only x86 DSP libraries
00:14 < CIA-9> are inluded ...
00:15 < rxr> Drupal is not yet compatible with PHP5.
00:16 < mnemoc_> uhm?
00:16 < mnemoc_> i read it was
00:17 < CIA-9> amery * r6911 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk+/gtk+.desc: * updated gtk+ (2.6.2 -> 2.6.3)
00:20 < CIA-9> amery * r6912 /trunk/package/security/heimdal/slapd-module-smbk5pwd-v1.3.diff: * fixed hemdail/openldap extension removing a duplicated patch
00:20 < rxr> http://drupal.org/node/15117
00:22 < mnemoc_> Brian,
00:22 < mnemoc_> Please note that the development community is working to make Drupal php5 compatible. It is not ignoring the issue. If you would review the cvs commit log and various bug reports, you would see this activity.
00:22 < mnemoc_> svn co ? :p
00:23 < mnemoc_> i think you may try it and see if problems are on core or on modules
00:23 < rxr> no statement indicates it is already working
00:23 < rxr> I do not want to debug php reight now ..
00:23 < rxr> but since I do not use php anywhere I can just install php4 ...
00:24 < CIA-9> amery * r6913 /trunk/package/network/nss_ldap/ (nss_ldap.conf samplesdir.patch): * changed nss_ldap to install it's default config template on sysconfdir
00:24 < mnemoc_> :)
00:25 < CIA-9> amery * r6914 /trunk/package/network/pam_ldap/pam_ldap.conf: * cleaned pam_ldap.conf to use pkgprefix and other tiny things
00:28 * mnemoc_ to supermarket.... cu from home
00:31 < rxr> cu
00:55 < rxr> I know why I'm not in the database business
01:36 < rxr> ouhm
01:36 < rxr> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/mysql/en/old-client.html
01:44 < rxr> finally - drupal running ... :-(
01:51 < rxr> ok - works so far
01:53 < mnemoc_> re
01:54 < mnemoc_> why the sad face?
01:57 < rxr> because as usual it required so much ugly database and co fiddeling
01:57 < rxr> I hate that
01:57 < rxr> especially when strange mysql quirks appear on the horizon
01:57 < mnemoc_> mysql sticks
01:58 * rxr is normally not in the database buisiness ...
01:59 < mnemoc_> url?
02:00 < rxr> locally on my iBook
02:00 < rxr> and that is behind some el-cheapo W-lan router ...
02:00 < mnemoc_> :|
02:01 < mnemoc_> how can i force curl to dump after a segfault?
02:02 < mnemoc_> i'm getting random segfaults (on redirects?) from df
02:02 < mnemoc_> rxr: your patch for slmodem didn't worked
02:03 < rxr> what is the error ?
02:03 < mnemoc_> usr/sbin/slmodemd: linux24 linux26
02:03 < mnemoc_> var/lib/slmodem: linux24 linux26
02:03 < mnemoc_> :)
02:03 < mnemoc_> after removing both kernels
02:05 < mnemoc_> =====[build_this_package:809 (last $?=0)> make ARCH=i386 CROSS_COMPILE= KCC=kcc KERNEL_INCLUDES=/TOOLCHAIN/src.linux24.1109636214.20156.a8c01505/linux-2.4.29/include KERNEL_DIR= CC=gcc CPP=cpp CXX=g++ prefix=/usr
02:05 < mnemoc_> make ARCH=i386 CROSS_COMPILE= KCC=kcc -C modem all
02:10 < rxr> ok - fix in a sec
02:10 < mnemoc_> finally libexif fixed! :D
02:10 < CIA-9> amery * r6915 /trunk/package/graphic/libexif/ (hotfix.patch libexif.desc): * updated libexif (0.5.12 -> 0.6.11)
02:11 < rxr> ^- try this ;-)
02:11 < rxr> -v
02:11 < rxr> mnemoc_: the 0.6 caused regressions !
02:11 < CIA-9> rene * r6916 /trunk/package/network/slmodem/postlinux.conf:
02:11 < CIA-9> * fixed typo in slmodem.postlinux.conf and really only install the
02:11 < CIA-9> drivers - hopefully - untested
02:12 < mnemoc_> rxr: yes?
02:12 < rxr> r4551 | rene | 2004-11-04 12:01:34 +0100 (Thu, 04 Nov 2004) | 4 lines
02:12 < rxr> * downdated libexif (0.6.11 -> 0.5.12) fixes compilation of nautilus
02:12 < rxr> and gphoto
02:12 < rxr> * removed the "no-exif" patch from nautilus
02:12 < mnemoc_> oh
02:12 < rxr> revert and add a comment ;-)
02:12 < mnemoc_> but haven't they updated?
02:12 < rxr> sorry that I did not ...
02:12 < rxr> I do not think gphoto was updated
02:12 < mnemoc_> ok
02:13 < rxr> r5355 | rene | 2005-01-01 18:28:37 +0100 (Sat, 01 Jan 2005) | 3 lines
02:13 < rxr> * updated gphoto (2.1.4 -> 2.1.5)
02:13 < rxr> hm - ok
02:13 < rxr> but do you really want to test this right now ?
02:13 < rxr> when you can confirm that *gphoto* builds ...
02:13 < rxr> I do not care much about nautius ;-)
02:14 < mnemoc_> :)
02:14 < mnemoc_> i'll revert _but_ i'll continue my ref with 0.6.11
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02:17 < rxr> mnemoc_: great!
02:17 < rxr> hi ideal
02:19 < mnemoc_> ideal: hi... are you using T2 or just looking?
02:20 < mnemoc_> regression note added to wiki
02:21 < rxr> mnemoc_: you remeber that ideal was already around a few times ?
02:21 < mnemoc_> sure
02:21 < mnemoc_> but i don't know if he is _using_ it
02:21 < mnemoc_> or just 'interested'
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02:26 < CIA-9> amery * r6917 /trunk/package/graphic/libexif/ (hotfix.patch libexif.desc): * reverted 6915 until further notices of gphoto and nautilus building against it. NOTE added.
02:26 < idealm> Hi, rxr
02:27 < idealm> hi, mnemoc_
02:28 < mnemoc_> hi ideal-reloaded
02:30 < mnemoc_> reference build resumed
02:31 < mnemoc_> rxr: http://wiki.t2-project.org/index.cgi?21PendingUpdates
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02:34 < ideal_> Sorry, something is wrong, I think it will be better later.
02:36 < mnemoc_> :)
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02:46 < rxr> http://www.linuxjournal.com/ <- seems to run drupal
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02:47 < rxr> http://www.tuxmagazine.com/ <- too
02:47 < rxr> ^- according to the drupal site
02:47 < mnemoc> :)
02:47 < mnemoc> http://www.linuxjournal.com/ <--- bottom-left
02:48 < rxr> what's ther ?
02:50 < mnemoc> [drupal]
02:51 -!- ideal_ is now known as ideal
02:53 < rxr> ah - there
02:53 < rxr> overlooked it ...
02:57 < _Ragnar_> *grrrr*
02:57 < _Ragnar_> why would almost every 2.4.29 kernel module report a missing symbol: memcpy?
02:59 < rxr> ENOIDEA
03:03 < _Ragnar_> ;p
03:05 < _Ragnar_> btw how do I install the kernel source into /usr/src ?
03:05 < _Ragnar_> or is that not possible any more with t2?
03:06 < mnemoc> not possible :p
03:06 < _Ragnar_> ;P
03:06 < _Ragnar_> then make the package build the kernel so it works!:D
03:06 < mnemoc> "kernel-source-available considered harmfull"
03:06 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: using postlinux.conf
03:06 < _Ragnar_> ?
03:07 < _Ragnar_> oh okay
03:08 < _Ragnar_> ohwell I'll try to build by hand first to see if there's an uclibc bug that does this
03:09 < _Ragnar_> but I don't get it really .. /proc/ksyms shows it to have a memcpy symbol
03:12 < rxr> _Ragnar_: just untar the download/l/linux tarball
03:12 < rxr> and apply all linux2? packages
03:12 < rxr> and of you go messing on it ...
03:15 < _Ragnar_> rxr: yeah that's what I'm doing right now
03:16 < mnemoc> iirc there is an option to not remove after succesfull build
03:16 < rxr> yep ;-)
03:16 < rxr> in the Config ;.)
03:17 < mnemoc> so you Emerge linux24 with that option and rebuild and rebuild in ./debug.sh until you find the problem
03:19 < rxr> http://osddp.org/ <- drupal too
03:23 < mnemoc> :)
03:23 < rxr> but I find using and editing content in drupal rather strange and uncomfortable ...
03:23 < rxr> I hope I get used to it ...
03:24 < mnemoc> yes?
03:24 < mnemoc> i have never written on a drupal
03:24 < rxr> so far I have not managed to structure the pages ...
03:25 < mnemoc> follow the howto :p
03:26 < rxr> if there would be a good howto
03:29 < rxr> Documentation and Support
03:29 < rxr> The Drupal documentation is one of its only weak points. Even though there seems to be a large amount of documentation on the main website, many of the documents are incomplete or do not go into enough depth to cover the topic.
03:30 < rxr> ^- quote from a review
03:31 < rxr> ok - maybe I have a usful overview
03:31 < rxr> need to go to bed
03:31 < rxr> will read it after the sleep cycle
03:31 < rxr> have fun - cu
03:31 < mnemoc> gn8 rxr
05:01 < CIA-9> amery * r6918 /trunk/package/games/bsd-games/ (bsd-games.desc delay_output-sym.patch): * updated bsd-games (2.14 -> 2.16)
05:08 < mnemoc> 1450 builds total, 333 completed fine, 0 with errors.
05:11 < CIA-9> amery * r6919 /trunk/package/printing/lprng/lprng.desc: * updated lprng (3.8.23 -> 3.8.28)
05:12 < mnemoc> rxr: libusb-0.1.10
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09:03 < mipe> damm emacs failing
09:41 < jsaw> g'morning
10:02 < mipe> morning jsaw
10:03 < jsaw> hi mipe
11:53 < rxr_> moin
11:53 -!- You're now known as rxr
11:53 < rxr> hi jsaw
12:01 < jsaw> hi rxr
12:15 < jsaw> http://joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog0000000069.html
12:26 < jsaw> http://www.zeit.de/2005/09/Patentj_8ager_neu
12:40 < jsaw> bbl
12:49 < rxr> cu
13:16 < mipe> hmm,gcc started to fail on me :(
13:51 < rxr> hm
13:53 < mipe> infact these are really wierd errors
13:54 < mipe> build wants to use a file that it self removed few commands before...
14:24 < mnemoc> moin
14:25 < mnemoc> hi rxr, jsaw, mipe
14:25 < mnemoc> rxr: if you have some minutes can you take a look into libusb-0.1.10?
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14:34 < rxr> shure
14:34 < rxr> mnemoc: why any specific problem
14:34 < rxr> #
14:35 < mnemoc> a missing header, usb.h but i'm not sure if it can't find it's own usb.h or kernel's
14:35 < mnemoc> and you know that field lots more than i
14:37 < mnemoc> i'm sure that fix will be easy to a clear mind :)
14:37 < rxr> me phoning with apple
14:38 < mnemoc> uhm?
14:38 < rxr> moment
14:41 < rxr> so
14:41 < rxr> next apple call
14:45 < rxr> *lol*
14:50 < rxr> big companies are - lazzy and crazzy
14:50 < rxr> 5th call to the no. I called first to just get developer contacnt ...
14:50 < mnemoc> :)
14:50 < rxr> .oO(never ever commercial OS work again)
14:51 < rxr> M$ also wanted 300EUR + taxes to look into their Office bug ...
14:51 < rxr> of course I'm not willing to finance M$ ...
14:54 < rxr> .oO
14:54 < rxr> hope my paretns phone bill does not increase too much ...
15:01 < rxr> apple is strangely organized - if at all
15:02 < rxr> *g*
15:07 < mnemoc> gtk-sharp->gmime->scrollkeeper->gtk-sharp
15:07 < mnemoc> dependency-loop :(
15:08 < mnemoc> stage 5 is _too_ wide
15:08 < mnemoc> gtk-sharp->gmime->balsa->scrollkeeper->gtk-sharp (forgot balsa)
15:15 < mnemoc> 298.7%./scripts/Download: line 489: 25867 Segmentation fault curl -w '\rFinished downloading %{size_download} bytes in %{time_total} seconds (%{speed_download} bytes/sec). \n' -f --progress-bar $resume $curl_options "$url" -o "$gzfile.incomplete"
15:15 < mnemoc> ERROR: CURL Returned Error 139. Please read the curl manpage.
15:16 < jsaw> sh*t happens
15:20 < mnemoc> it seems to segfault due to multiple redirects
15:21 < mnemoc> http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/netpbm/netpbm-10.26.4.tgz?download&failedmirror=unc.dl.sourceforge.net <--- even firefox loops :p
15:22 < mnemoc> jsaw: how is it?
15:24 < mnemoc> puzzle is slow as hell but works
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15:27 < mnemoc> Finished downloading 2537773 bytes in 277.913 seconds (9131.000 bytes/sec).
15:27 < mnemoc> puzzle is not an option
15:27 < mnemoc> any suggested sf mirror?
15:29 < jsaw> mnemoc: thanks, she's quite calm. Only problem for Steffi is, we have no running water between 8am-6pm this week...
15:31 < mnemoc> oh
15:31 < mnemoc> scheduled or accident?
15:32 < jsaw> scheduled
15:50 < rxr> the gnome 2.10 default look:
15:50 < rxr> http://clearlooks.sourceforge.net/screenshots/
15:50 < jsaw> seen it... hmmm...
15:51 < jsaw> looks weel sorted, but I wouldn't call it appealing
15:53 * rxr would like such a clutter less Qt theme ...
15:53 < CIA-9> amery * r6920 /trunk/package/x11/netpbm/netpbm.desc: * updated netpbm (10.25 -> 10.26.4)
15:53 < jsaw> :)
15:53 < rxr> for my taste the qt aps often have to many border lines that make them look ugly ...
15:53 < mnemoc> yep
15:54 < rxr> ok - libusb and then cms play
15:58 < rxr> mnemoc: did you try libusb .10 or .10a ?
15:58 < mnemoc> .10 o_O
15:59 < mnemoc> i didn't see .10a
15:59 < rxr> let's see ;-)
15:59 < rxr> I also only by accident ;-)
15:59 < mnemoc> that 'a' sound like "this one builds"
15:59 < rxr> I know i some minutes
15:59 < rxr> I commit it then - and move it from exta to base ;-)
15:59 < rxr> but the 10a archive is smaller than the 10 one ..
16:00 < rxr> and you already missed a file in 10 ... - so ...
16:00 < mnemoc> .oO
16:02 < mnemoc> ../../src/lib/esmart_container/.libs/libesmart_container.so: undefined reference to `lt_dlerror'
16:03 < mnemoc> == 03/01/05 12:03:25 =[5]=> Finished building package libusb.
16:03 < mnemoc> :)
16:03 < mnemoc> who commits?
16:04 < mnemoc> Error logs from ref-2.1.0-beta4-x86-pentium4-generic-expert:
16:04 < mnemoc> [5] emulators/hercules [5] e17/esmart [5] e17/efsd
16:04 < mnemoc> 1450 builds total, 556 completed fine, 3 with errors.
16:06 < rxr> I ;-)
16:06 < rxr> mnemoc: drupal might fully replace the wiki, no ?
16:06 < mnemoc> ok :)
16:07 < mnemoc> i think so
16:07 < rxr> I think test site online this afternoon
16:07 < mnemoc> do you feel better with him now?
16:07 < rxr> svn up package/extra
16:08 < rxr> so your changes get merged before I move the package
16:08 < CIA-9> rene * r6921 /trunk/package/extra/libusb/libusb.desc: * updated libusb (0.1.9 -> 0.1.10a)
16:08 < mnemoc> ok
16:09 < mnemoc> Updated to revision 6921.
16:09 < mnemoc> how could you update and move on the same commit?
16:11 < rxr> I can - but I remember you get a conflict on your side then
16:13 < rxr> if a moved files was modified
16:14 < CIA-9> rene * r6922 /trunk/package/ (10 files in 10 dirs): * moved hal, libraw1394, libusb, glide and pcre out of extra
16:18 < CIA-9> rene * r6923 /trunk/package/ (8 files in 8 dirs): * moved scmxx, lcdproc, dvorakng and palcal out of extra
16:20 < CIA-9> rene * r6924 /trunk/package/extra/: * flushed empty exta repository
16:21 < mnemoc> rxr: i had an updated lcdproc :(
16:21 < rxr> .oO
16:21 < rxr> and now you have a conflict *g* ?
16:21 < mnemoc> yeah
16:21 < rxr> sorry - I wanted to see extra removed ...
16:21 < rxr> contrib should also go one day ...
16:21 < mnemoc> me too *g*
16:21 < rxr> contrib currently contains mostly toy stuff - maybe some will be deleted ?
16:22 < rxr> well - some stuff is quite useful and needed ...
16:22 < mnemoc> let see if they build :)
16:23 < CIA-9> rene * r6925 /trunk/package/ (4 files in 4 dirs): * moved jpilot stuff into network
16:23 < rxr> starting to snow more here ...
16:24 < CIA-9> rene * r6926 /trunk/package/ (contrib/upn/ scientific/upn/): * moved up into scientific
16:24 < mnemoc> just 29°C here
16:24 < mnemoc> .oO
16:24 < rxr> hm - mnemoc did you recently asked about xpp ?
16:24 < rxr> we have it in contrib ..
16:24 < mnemoc> i added it iirc
16:25 < mnemoc> r6408 | amery | 2005-02-12 23:15:06 -0300 (Sat, 12 Feb 2005) | 2 lines
16:25 < mnemoc> * added xpp (1.5)
16:25 < mnemoc> :)
16:25 < CIA-9> amery * r6927 /trunk/package/emulators/hercules/ (hercules.conf hercules.desc): * updated hercules (2004-11-16 -> 3.02)
16:25 < mnemoc> Error logs from ref-2.1.0-beta4-x86-pentium4-generic-expert:
16:25 < mnemoc> [5] e17/esmart [5] e17/efsd
16:25 < mnemoc> 1450 builds total, 563 completed fine, 2 with errors.
16:25 < mnemoc> do you want to fix those?
16:26 < CIA-9> rene * r6928 /trunk/package/ (contrib/xpp/ printing/xpp/): * moved xpp to printing
16:26 < mnemoc> oh
16:26 < mnemoc> printing
16:26 < mnemoc> i didn't saw that
16:26 < rxr> so - enough polishing for now
16:26 < CIA-9> rene * r6929 /trunk/package/ (contrib/tsclient/ network/tsclient/): * moved tsclient into network
16:27 * rxr warming pizza and back to cms
16:27 < mnemoc> enough conflicts for now :'(
16:28 < CIA-9> rene * r6930 /trunk/package/ (contrib/grace/ scientific/grace/): * moved grace into scientific
16:37 < jsaw> leaving... cu!
16:38 < mnemoc> cu jsaw
16:42 < CIA-9> amery * r6931 /trunk/package/base/runit/packages/openldap-openldap_slapd.tail: * added log for openldap/slapd on runit's tail
16:56 < CIA-9> amery * r6932 /trunk/package/develop/avrdude/avrdude.desc: * updated avrdude (4.3.0 -> 4.4.0)
16:59 < CIA-9> valentin * r6933 /trunk/package/games/ppracer/ (. ppracer.desc): * added planetpenguin racer (v.0.3.1)
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17:24 < rxr> rehi mipe
17:28 < CIA-9> amery * r6934 /trunk/package/graphic/ghostscript/ (ghostscript.desc gs-fix-gc.patch): * updated ghostscript (7.07.1 -> 8.15rc2)
17:28 < CIA-9> valentin * r6935 /trunk/package/games/ppracer/ppracer.desc: * fixed author tag for ppracer
17:36 < CIA-9> amery * r6936 /trunk/package/e17/imlib2/ (imlib2.conf imlib2.desc makefile.am.patch): * updated imlib2 (1.1.2 -> 1.2.0)
17:41 < CIA-9> rene * r6937 /trunk/scripts/Create-CopyPatch: * updated t2 url in the CopyPatch creator
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17:45 < CIA-9> amery * r6938 /trunk/package/e17/imlib2_loaders/imlib2_loaders.desc: * updated imlib2_loaders (1.1.2 -> 1.2.0)
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18:07 < CIA-9> amery * r6939 /trunk/package/e17/esmart/hostfix.patch: * fixed esmart by injecting a missing -lltdl
18:53 < _Ragnar__> hi
18:53 < rxr> hi _Ragnar__
18:54 < _Ragnar__> hey rene
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20:05 < mipe> huoh,gcc error:xgcc installation failed: text file busy
20:10 < rxr> hm
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20:27 < mnemoc> xgcc is use while replacing it??
20:31 < rxr> xgcc is used interlally by gcc bootsrapping the new compiler ...
20:31 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe I have dupal set up to serve t2's need
20:31 < rxr> maybe ...
20:31 < rxr> I try adding real content after evening dinner ...
20:32 < mnemoc> :)
20:48 < valentin> re
20:49 < valentin> mnemoc: i'm eating grapes from chile
20:53 < mnemoc> :)
20:53 < mnemoc> how are they?
20:54 < valentin> good
20:54 < valentin> tasty :)
20:55 < valentin> but quite expensive
20:55 < mnemoc> you knew there what europe did to chilean salmon last month?
20:56 < valentin> no ? import stop ?
20:57 < mnemoc> 30% to extra tax :(
20:57 < mnemoc> of*
20:58 < mnemoc> due to US request
20:58 < valentin> well - europe is a banana republique
20:59 < mnemoc> *g*
20:59 < valentin> why did the us request that ?
21:00 < mnemoc> US use to be first world producer of salmon, and the consider Chilean production too cheap to fair competition
21:00 < mnemoc> norway is screaming (becasue they invested here) but they (and we) are been ignored
21:01 < valentin> so much to 'liberal' us trade policy
21:01 < mnemoc> oh, sorry. 35% not 30
21:01 < _Ragnar_> there's nothing liberal in us trade policy that doesn't benefit us companies
21:03 < mnemoc> "This South American country has announced that it will appeal to the World Trade Organisation (WTO), while the EU insists that its measures are legally grounded."
21:03 < mnemoc> :(
21:04 < valentin> but where is the interesst of EU in helping us salmon farms ?
21:05 < mnemoc> polititians interests are never clear
21:06 < _Ragnar_> probably little, but US companies know better which palms to grease
21:06 < mnemoc> "The EU also established minimum prices of 2.7 euros (3.5 dollars) per gram of fresh fish and 2.59 euros (3.3 dollars) per kilo of frozen fish. " <--- this one is good
21:06 < _Ragnar_> usually they are pretty clear: a) more power or b) more money for themselves
21:06 < mnemoc> http://www.ipsnews.net/africa/interna.asp?idnews=27379
21:07 < valentin> 2.7 Eur per gram ?
21:08 < mnemoc> uhm
21:10 < mnemoc> i guess you won't eat imported fresh fish in a long time
21:11 < valentin> i rather think that is kg
21:11 < mnemoc> yes
21:12 < mnemoc> 0.11 between fresh and frozen
21:27 < CIA-9> amery * r6940 /trunk/package/e17/entrance/edjecc_is_not_cc.patch: * fixed entrance, don't use CC for edje_cc please.
21:29 < mnemoc> anyone knows an easy trick to tell configure.ac that he has to convert a Makefile.am into .in?
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21:29 < sepp> hello
21:29 < rxr> hi sepp
21:30 < valentin> mnemoc: call automake or so ?
21:30 < mnemoc> it ignores it
21:31 < mnemoc> i guess i should tell configure.ac somehow that this .am file exist
21:31 < mnemoc> efsd
21:32 < mnemoc> damn e17... is that fancy crap alive?
21:32 < rxr> yes
21:32 < mnemoc> efsd haven't been really touch in three years
21:32 < mnemoc> touched*
21:33 < rxr> feature complete *g*
21:33 < sepp> i still have problems with an t2 build for x86-64 - chroot in stage 2 says "chroot: cannot run command `bin/bash': Exec format error"
21:34 < sepp> i can chroot into the build under debian x86-64 but not under t2
21:34 < rxr> i fixed this with someone here recently lokcally
21:34 < rxr> was it you ?
21:34 < rxr> hm - mipe not here ...
21:34 < sepp> yes under debian it worked
21:34 < sepp> but not under t2
21:34 < sepp> thats strange
21:35 < rxr> what t2 do you use ?
21:35 < rxr> a 32bit release ?
21:35 < sepp> beta 3
21:35 < rxr> binary release ?
21:35 < sepp> from the iso
21:35 < sepp> yes
21:35 < rxr> ah - that has a 32bit kernel
21:35 < sepp> yes
21:35 < rxr> you can not chroot into a 64bit there ...
21:35 < sepp> and how do i build it then?
21:36 < rxr> when you build the first stage you need to boot into it
21:36 < rxr> as usual with cross builds to incompatible architectures ...
21:37 < sepp> ok
21:37 < rxr> you could either fully built it under debian
21:37 < rxr> or boot into the new t2 and start a new, full build there ...
21:38 < sepp> know i understand it ;)
21:38 < sepp> now
21:38 < rxr> 64bit code can not be executed from withint a 32bit (linux) kernel
21:38 < rxr> or any other OS
21:38 < sepp> but the other way works?
21:39 < rxr> (only hen enabled - which it is by default) you can execute 32bit code from within a x86-64 kernel
21:40 < sepp> ok thanks
21:40 < rxr> no problem ;-)
21:43 < mnemoc> waiting mozilla friends makes me nervious
21:43 < mnemoc> (waiting their build)
21:53 < sepp> btw the ruby package should make an "make install-doc"
21:55 < rxr> done
21:55 < CIA-9> rene * r6941 /trunk/package/ruby/ruby/ruby.conf: * added install-doc to ruby package as proposed on IRC
21:56 < sepp> what means CIA-9?
21:56 < sepp> i mean the name
21:56 < rxr> it is a bot that announces open source commits ...
21:56 < rxr> the sam as the USA agency ...
21:57 < sepp> :)
21:57 < rxr> http://cia.navi.cx/
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22:12 < rxr> moin daja77
22:13 < daja77> moin rene
22:21 < mnemoc> daja77: does efsd build on rock?
22:21 < mnemoc> hi :p
22:21 < daja77> what?
22:21 < mnemoc> e17/efsd
22:23 < daja77> at least it is not in generic errlist
22:23 < mnemoc> is it 'X'?
22:24 < daja77> efsd.log exists
22:24 < daja77> there was no single error in e17 repo this time
22:24 < mnemoc> thanks.... i'll have to look into it then
22:25 < mnemoc> hook_add prepatch 3 "sed -i 's/; automake /; automake-1.8 /' autogen.sh" <--- doh
22:25 < mnemoc> that's cheating :'(
22:26 < daja77> hehe
22:26 < mnemoc> i have to read the autobook some day :\
22:26 < sepp> rxr: if i take the stage 1 t2 and put it on an new partition is there anything i need to do before i can boot?
22:28 < sepp> the things stone does
22:28 < mnemoc> sepp: boot with init=/bin/sh because you wont have root password set :)
22:28 < sepp> ok
22:29 < mnemoc> daja77: automake-1.8: command not found :(
22:30 < daja77> don't look at me this way, i didn't do it!
22:31 < mnemoc> i'm just sharing my pain with you :p
22:32 < daja77> hehe you should, i could share the pain of packaging games ...
22:33 < daja77> s/shoudl/souldn't/
22:33 < daja77> >_<
22:33 < mnemoc> :)
22:35 < mnemoc> daja77: that log you mencioned, is on your machine? can you mail it to me? _please_ ^^
22:36 < mnemoc> mentioned*
22:36 < daja77> mnemoc@rock...?
22:37 < mnemoc> doesn't exist :\
22:37 < mnemoc> amery@geeks.cl
22:37 < daja77> ah yes i remember
22:37 < daja77> ask clifford to get one
22:38 < mnemoc> i did
22:38 < daja77> i'll ask him when he is here
22:38 < mnemoc> but my mails were always redirected to /dev/null on his machine
22:38 < mnemoc> don't worry
22:39 < jsaw> re
22:39 < mnemoc> wb jsaw
22:39 < jsaw> hi mnemoc
22:39 < jsaw> hi daja77
22:39 < mnemoc> water again?
22:39 < jsaw> yep...and I'll use my chance that everybody is sleeping to take a shower in a few minutes :)
22:40 < mnemoc> hehe
22:43 < daja77> hm have I already mentioned that I hate python, and packages related to python ...
22:44 < mnemoc> me too!
22:44 < daja77> :)
22:44 < daja77> btw mail sent
22:45 < mnemoc> thanks
22:48 < CIA-9> amery * r6942 /trunk/package/network/gq/ (. gq.conf gq.desc): * added gq (1.0beta1)
22:51 < sepp> now i booted into the stage 1 x86-64 t2 - anything i need to do before i can run Build-Target?
22:51 < sepp> the scripts output things like "misc/output/parse-config: line 47: /dev/fd/62: No such file or dir"
22:53 < mnemoc> after initing with /bin/sh init with normal /sbin/init :)
22:54 < mnemoc> ln -s /proc/self/fd /dev/ is created during init
22:54 < sepp> or that all i have to do?
22:55 < mnemoc> did it boot with colors, all getties, etc?
22:55 < sepp> no
22:56 < sepp> no colors
22:56 < sepp> i am not sure let me check it
22:56 < sepp> if it booted with colors
22:57 < sepp> no colors
22:57 < sepp> hmm
23:01 < sepp> mnemoc: the 2nd boot should be with "init=/sbin/init" ?
23:11 < mnemoc> no, just 'press enter' :)
23:11 < sepp> do i need to do anything in the 1st boot?
23:11 < sepp> with init=/bin/sh
23:11 < mnemoc> a normal boot should pass thorow the init phase with lot of happy faces ':-)' and maybe some sad faces ':-('
23:12 < mnemoc> mount /proc
23:12 < mnemoc> mount / -o remount,rw
23:12 < mnemoc> passwd
23:12 < mnemoc> and set your root password
23:12 < sepp> ok thanks
23:12 < mnemoc> mount / -o remount,ro
23:19 < jsaw> shower done, now charlotte's awake... cu l8r
23:19 < daja77> ^^
23:39 < jsaw> now let's see how long she sleeps...
23:39 < jsaw> :)
23:41 < mnemoc> i bet from 1:15 :D
23:42 < jsaw> ts
23:42 < mnemoc> 0:45?
23:45 < jsaw> no idea... she's got sleep cycles from 1 to 4h...
23:46 < jsaw> I have not enough data yet to make prediction :D
23:46 < mnemoc> :)
23:58 < rxr> re
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