--- Log opened Sat Mar 26 00:00:27 2005
00:00 < mnemoc> i'm a bit purist these days :)
00:02 < rxr> /Users/rene/develop/avision-osx/ImageGroup.M:328: error: stray '\23' in program
00:02 < rxr> ^- How I hate this damn gcc error ...
00:02 < mnemoc> what does that mean?
00:02 < rxr> can't the Apple people write and editor that does not inject this junk from tiem to time ...
00:03 < rxr> that gcc does not like a charakter the f*cking Apple XCode injects from time to time ...
00:03 < mnemoc> hidden chars?
00:03 < mnemoc> ok
00:03 < rxr> on alt + space or alt + enter
00:03 < mnemoc> pff
00:03 < rxr> and valentin and I manage to type fast enough to produce 3-4 per day of those ...
00:03 < rxr> I never hat this with any other editor on the planet so far ...
00:03 < rxr> only this damn xcode beast does this ...
00:04 < mnemoc> did you reported the issue? you have a commercial OS there :)
00:04 < rxr> in fact I did not yet tried to find out what key combo that is ...
00:04 < rxr> ok - lets rephrase ...
00:04 < rxr> I told Microsoft a Office bug:
00:04 < rxr> A: Pay use 299EUR + taxes and we (may) take a look in the next 48 hours ...
00:05 < rxr> I told Adobe a bug and they says (weeks later):
00:05 < rxr> normally you have to pay for adobe developer relation - however this only affect Photoshop plugins anyway - I answer this out of the line - but we have not much to do with TWAIN anyway - we would also only pass it to apple ...
00:06 < rxr> ok - back to Apple - I needed 7 phone calls to find out they have no developers in germany - and most probably not in whole europ - only noth america ...
00:06 < mnemoc> god bless comercial world :\
00:07 < rxr> after that I filled in the english and german developer web formular with my questions and got a reply that the developer formular is not for such details and they have some mailing list ...
00:07 < rxr> I did not mailed to that list yet ...
00:07 < rxr> because in the time I spent talking to big companies without any result, I can develop more useful code ...
00:07 < mnemoc> :(
00:07 < rxr> yeah - the commercial software world really shines ...
00:08 < rxr> but one good to adobe - they gave me a full Photoshop - work 1500 EUR ...
00:08 < mnemoc> and they claim to have more 'quality'
00:08 < mnemoc> nice
00:08 < rxr> not that I would ever pay so much for a program that I find magnitudes harder to use than gimp and less powerful - slow and not running on my OS of choice and so on - but at least s.th. to test with ,-)
00:09 < mnemoc> and a nice software box for your room 
00:09 < rxr> yep - exaclty ...
00:10 < rxr> it just carries a "not for retail" label - but that is cool in itself ,-)
00:11 < mnemoc> :)
00:11 < rxr> cool - my new transfer mode mostly works ...
00:12 < rxr> just binary modes are inverted and 8bit gray scans have transformed - that is totally shuffled colors (no idea yet why)
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00:12 < keinek> hi
00:12 < keinek> i back
00:12 < rxr> hi keinek 
00:12 < mnemoc> hi keinek
00:15 < rxr> ah - I have an idea to the mixed colors - maybe the Quick Draw stuff think I want 8bit RGB - like 323 (RGB weight) or so ...
00:19 < mnemoc> can you make him change his mind?
00:28 < rxr> AFAICS right now only by throwing custom CLT (color lookup tables) into it ...
00:28 < rxr> and it also only supports 32bit not the 3*16 bit the high end scanners can return ...
00:28 < rxr> but that is not my problem - this only affects people that use crapy coded apps like Microsoft Office 2004 ...
00:29 < rxr> I think I convert everything not 1bit per pixel to 32bit ARGB on the fly ...
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00:33 < keinek_> ok.
00:33 < mnemoc> ?
00:33 < keinek_> how add some package to the target
00:34 < keinek_> ?
00:34 < CIA-9> amery * r7768 /trunk/package/network/samba/samba.desc: * updated samba (3.0.11 -> 3.0.13)
00:34 < mnemoc> target? on config.in
00:34 < mnemoc> build on config/foo/pkgsel
00:34 < mnemoc> build? on config/foo/pkgsel
00:35 < keinek_> add like rxr with the rockplug in the minimal desktop.
00:35 < keinek_> i like do something like that
00:35 < mnemoc> that's a template
00:35 < keinek_> add and remove.
00:35 < mnemoc> look into misc/pkgsel
00:35 < keinek_> ok template
00:36 < keinek_> Mmmmm
00:36 < keinek_> i like misc/pkgsel
00:36 < keinek_> thanks mnemoc
00:36 < mnemoc> you can create your own template
00:36 < keinek_> YEAH!
00:36 < keinek_> i do that
00:36 < keinek_> i will add everthing that i need
00:37 < keinek_> and remove everthing that dont need
00:37 < keinek_> :)
00:37 < keinek_> mnemoc, today when rxr show me your mail, I saw that he is rene :P
00:39 < keinek_> ok what is the { p: d:}:  in that files?
00:40 < keinek_> hey mnemoc kde is in minimal desktop.
00:40 < rxr> guess by tomorrow evening I can convert into PDF on the fly ...
00:40 < keinek_> what convert into pdf?
00:41 < rxr> image data from a scanner ...
00:41 < mnemoc> keinek: that is a sed file
00:41 < keinek_> Mmmm great.
00:41 < keinek_> what function have { p: d:}:
00:42 < CIA-9> amery * r7769 /trunk/package/java/ (8 files in 2 dirs): 
00:42 < CIA-9> Minto van der Sluis <Minto@MultiMach.com>
00:42 < CIA-9>  * fixed blackdown-jdk and blackdown-jre to use .bin procedures
00:42 < CIA-9>  * added amd64 packages for blackdown-jdk and blackdown-jre
00:42 < CIA-9>  * cleaned blackdown-{jdk,jre} .conf, by mnemoc
00:42 < mnemoc> p print, d delete
00:42 < rxr> keinek_: that is sd
00:42 < rxr> sed even
00:42 < rxr> man sed or better info sed
00:44 < keinek_> YIIIIPY!!!! i have my own template!
00:45 < keinek_> Minimalistic selection. X.org and basic keinek stuff desktop
00:45 < keinek_> :P
00:46 < keinek_> Great!
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00:46 < keinek_> now i am very happy with that
00:46 < keinek_> hey keinek where you go?
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00:46 < keinek> :P
00:46 < rxr> ouh - damn
00:47 < rxr> my M$ Office test drive version expired ...
00:47 < rxr> damn ...
00:47 < keinek> that happens ...
00:47 < keinek> whatever... 
00:47 < keinek> astalavista.box.sk
00:47 < keinek> that is the way
00:51 < mnemoc> that is your way
00:51 < CIA-9> amery * r7770 /trunk/package/x11/glut/glut.desc: * changed glut [U] and download location
00:52 < rxr> ok - me in bet soon
00:53 < CIA-9> amery * r7771 /trunk/package/security/loop-aes/loop-aes.desc: * updated loop-aes (2.1a -> 3.0c)
00:54 < CIA-9> amery * r7772 /trunk/package/security/ciphers/ (ciphers.conf ciphers.desc no_depmod.patch): * updated ciphers (2.0g -> 3.0b)
00:59 < rxr> ok - n8 alll
00:59 < rxr> far too late ... again
00:59 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
01:00 < jsaw> cu rxr 
01:00 < jsaw> hmm..., for 100k, lua is quite powerfule
01:00 < mnemoc> == 03/25/05 20:00:31 =[1]=> Aborted building package linux26.
01:00 < jsaw> s/fule/ful/
01:00 < jsaw> interesting language
01:01 < mnemoc> ojh was coding an interface for /etc/network/config on it
01:01 < mnemoc> but i haven't seen him in a while
01:02 < jsaw> sounds interesting
01:03 < jsaw> also for bootdisk, lua seems to be a viable alternative
01:03 < jsaw> -rwxr-xr-x  1 jsaw users 102348 Mar 25 16:26 lua
01:03 < jsaw> ^-- contains compiler and vm
01:03 < jsaw> (statically linked)
01:03 < mnemoc> what about the scripts? can be really converted to bytecode?
01:04 < jsaw> luac
01:04 < mnemoc> :)
01:04 < jsaw> there's a vm-only binary
01:04 < jsaw> if compiled
01:04 < jsaw> around 80k
01:04 < rxr> lua is what ?
01:05 < jsaw> www.lua.org
01:05 < mnemoc> 20k of compiler then?
01:05 < jsaw> that seems to be the difference, yes
01:05 < mnemoc> maybe the compiler is written in lua :)
01:05 < jsaw> hehe
01:06 < mnemoc> is it portable?
01:07 < rxr> ok - n8 all
01:07 < jsaw> n8 rxr
01:07 < mnemoc> n8 rxr 
01:07 < jsaw> mnemoc: haven't read anything, but byte code is always suppossed to be portable, isn't it?
01:09 < mnemoc> i was talking about the vm :)
01:09 < mnemoc> if we use it we would need it even on sh64 :)
01:11 < jsaw> yeah - but the code looks "properly written"
01:12 < jsaw> I'd assume every ansi compiler will digest lua
01:16 < mnemoc> nice :)
01:17 < jsaw> btw, bc machines...
01:17 < jsaw> my boss previously asked me about python as replacement of matlab
01:18 < jsaw> .oO(which is not that idea besides missing of a good GUI imo)
01:18 < jsaw> I was pretty surprised :)
01:18 < jsaw> s/not that idea/not that bad idea/
01:19 < keinek> thunderbird is work fine
01:19 < keinek> :)
01:19 < keinek> hey guy, how add for example the config of font.conf to my template?
01:19 < keinek> is possible?
01:20 < jsaw> hmmm, mnemoc ?
01:20 < mnemoc> re
01:20 < mnemoc> jsaw: there is not good matlab replacemente with GUI? 
01:20 < mnemoc> keinek: what do you mean?
01:21 < jsaw> mnemoc: not really. The best program I've ever seen for numerical and analysis stuff is "Igor"
01:21 < jsaw> mnemoc: It came from Mac, but was ported to Windozes...
01:21 < keinek> i mean that the font.conf that the target create as default dont fail for me
01:21 < keinek> i need my font.conf
01:22 < keinek> my idea is create a distro that have everthing.
01:22 < jsaw> ?
01:23 < mnemoc> jsaw: http://mathomatic.orgserve.de/math/ <--- have you tried this?
01:23 < jsaw> keinek: patch to font.conf, or a file copy in the resp. package?
01:23 < jsaw> mnemoc: no
01:23 < jsaw> mnemoc: *click*
01:24 < keinek> jsaw: ok, it that easy?
01:24 < mnemoc> keinek: what is wrong on 'font.conf' to you?
01:25 < mnemoc> keinek: on target you can 'target/$target/pkg_$pkg.conf' to replace package/$repo/$pkg/$pkg.conf
01:25 < jsaw> mnemoc: not a CAS, only a numerical thing
01:26 < mnemoc> :\
01:26 < keinek> ok
01:26 < keinek> that file
01:26 < keinek> cause that font in kde dont appear
01:26 < keinek> thanks a god i found the problem today in the morning :)
01:28 < mnemoc> jsaw: i have this bookmarked too: http://freemat.sourceforge.net/ http://scilabsoft.inria.fr/
01:28 < mnemoc> these*
01:37 < jsaw> *interesting*
01:40 < mnemoc> when you found one good replacemente for matlab, tell me :)
01:40 < mnemoc> i have just bookmarked those, but never tried
01:40 < mnemoc> fixing clisp you can try maxima too :p
01:43 < jsaw> I'm using maxima already once in a while :)
01:44 < jsaw> over one-year old rock installation, maxima compile with gcl
01:44 < jsaw> but gcl is as much a pita as clisp
01:44 < mnemoc> list is pain :)
01:46 < jsaw> hehe
01:47 < mnemoc> lisp :p
01:47 < jsaw> what was it, list pain, or list processing... I forgot it :)
01:55 < jsaw> okay, I need a cup of sleep, cu!
01:56 < mnemoc> cu :)
02:06 < CIA-9> amery * r7773 /trunk/package/java/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * improved blackdown-{jre,jdk} to use a common .conf
02:49 < CIA-9> amery * r7774 /trunk/package/java/ (11 files in 3 dirs): 
02:49 < CIA-9> Minto van der Sluis <Minto@MultiMach.com>:
02:49 < CIA-9>  * added sun-jre-150 (1.5.0_02)
02:49 < CIA-9>  * added sun-jdk-150 (1.5.0_02)
02:49 < CIA-9>  * cleaned sun-{jre,jdk}-150 to use the common config, by mnemoc
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05:06 < mnemoc> gn8 people
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05:43 < CIA-9> amery * r7775 /trunk/package/ (1465 files in 1465 dirs): * updated most .cache files
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09:13 < valentin> moin
09:19 < valentin> ahhhrrrrg r7775 *g*
09:57 < rxr_> hi
09:57 -!- You're now known as rxr
09:59 < rxr> valentin do you merge 0.3.10 changes into trunk or shoudl I do ... ?
10:00 < rxr> and do you have a running test version of M$ Office 2004?
10:00 < rxr> my timed out - and I need someone to test the new native xfer on it ...
10:09 < valentin> rxr: ouhmm... i have your version ?
10:10 < rxr> it is in SVS ...
10:10 < rxr> SVN even ..
10:10 < valentin> rxr: let me finish this i18n thing before we merge
10:10 < valentin> no i mean m$
10:10 < rxr> I committed branched 0.3.10 at the cebit and injected the NATIVE stuff last night ...
10:10 < rxr> valentin: my version ( Office v.X ) does use MEMORY transfers ...
10:11 < rxr> if you only have mine, you could download the Office 2004 test drive from the homepage - and test the native transfer with them ...
10:11 < valentin> rxr: i could download a test version
10:11 < valentin> ok
10:11 < rxr> but of course just finish the i18n work before ... ,-)
10:11 < valentin> breakfast, bbl
10:11 < rxr> maybe we wanna meet for some hacking and polishing ?
10:11 < rxr> maybe monday?
10:18 < rxr> hey - the mac mini has an old Radeon 9200 - that means it runs with Open Source 3D under Linxu!
10:19 < rxr> not to mention otherwise one would not have 3D at all - since there are no Binary-only drivers for PowerPC from nvidia or ati ... !!!
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10:19 < madtux> hi.
10:20 < rxr> hi madtux !!!
10:20 < madtux> hi rene
10:20 < rxr> how are you ?
10:21 < madtux> doing great... currently svn updating my trunk
10:21 < rxr> hehe ,-)
10:21 < madtux> ready to continue my work
10:21 < rxr> how long have you missed the update?
10:21 < rxr> if longer you will nearly update every file ,-)=
10:22 < madtux> last update was yesterday
10:22 < rxr> ah - then it is not that much to change *g*
10:22 < rxr> only the .cache files ,-)
10:22 < rxr> what are you working on currently ?
10:24 < madtux> just arrived to colombia
10:24 < madtux> will be here for some decent resting
10:24 < madtux> will give conference on the 31st
10:24 < madtux> and another one on april the second
10:25 < rxr> about? selinux or so ?
10:25 < madtux> on the 2nd its a whole FS comunity thing... a latinamerican intall fest, taking place on many cities in central and southamerica simultaniusly
10:25 < madtux> rxr on the 31st its going to be about general stuff... Free Software and Security
10:26 < madtux> and the other one will be about t2
10:26 < madtux> at least i think
10:26 < madtux> :)
10:26 < madtux> i need to see if the project leader allows me
10:26 < rxr> colombia in the US ?
10:27 < madtux> colombia - south america
10:27 < madtux> closer to mnemoc
10:28 < madtux> ask google
10:28 < madtux> :)
10:28 < rxr> ah - ok
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10:41 < valentin> re
10:41 < valentin> rxr: we should meet
10:42 < rxr> can I call you in some seconds ?
10:42 < valentin> ok
10:42 < rxr> I wiped some old svn repos from our sever
10:43 < rxr> like ccbench, hwscan, mine, rock-linux and so ...
10:43 < rxr> I hope nobody misses s.th. ... ,-)
10:43 < valentin> did you check the access logs ? how many ppl still access the old rock-linux repro ?
10:44 < rxr> non - they where disabled in the apache config since they demanded their repository ...
10:44 < rxr> just lingering around on the disk ...
10:44 < rxr> I hope I did not rm -rf some other one accidently - but I should not have ...
10:44 < valentin> rxr: i hope they have good backups ,)
11:25  * rxr away - cu in 3h or so ...
11:27 < rxr> http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/05/03/26/0438226.shtml?tid=109&tid=176
11:28 < rxr> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/devices/flash.aspx
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11:29 < sepp> hi
11:29 < rxr> hi sepp 
11:29 < rxr> valentin: oh - and I have alice in 1 week ,-
11:29 < rxr> )
11:29 < rxr> this alice dsl thing
11:30 < sepp> ffmpeg x86 fails 
11:30 < sepp> the old asm new gcc thing
11:30 < sepp> msmpeg4.c:720: error: can't find a register in class `BREG' while reloading `asm'
11:30 < rxr> sepp: what optimization did you choose ?
11:31 < sepp> athlon-xp
11:31 < sepp> speed
11:31 < rxr> hm - interesting ...
11:32 < rxr> sepp: this most probably happes due to assembly code in msmpeg4.c in conjunction with maybe a gcc bug ...
11:32 < rxr> the easiest fix is to lower the optimization used to build ffmpeg and/or apply additional tweaks ...
11:32 < rxr> maybe google for the exact error and see if ffmpeg was already patched for that ...
11:33 < sepp> i will try lazy
11:33 < rxr> no - that will most ptobably not help ..
11:33 < rxr> and not toggle it globally ...
11:33 < rxr> I meant just for that package ...
11:33 < sepp> yes
11:33 < rxr> do you build a single package - or Buld-Targe ?
11:33 < rxr> +t
11:33 < sepp> single
11:34 < sepp> only ffmpeg with "lazy"
11:34 < rxr> ah - ok - then play in the Config and report to use what change made it build ...
11:34 < rxr> I have to go ...
11:35 < rxr> sepp: but report what change of optimization made it build - so we can work around it in the package description for the next people building for athlon-xp .. ,-)
11:35 < sepp> ok
11:40 < sepp> x86 - No special optimisation - Lazy optimisiation
11:40 < sepp> same error
12:03 < sepp> how can i disable that the gcc wrapper appends -fPIC ?
12:04 < sepp> i know GCC_WRAPPER_INSERT is there an REMOVE?
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12:05 < Minto> Moin
12:25 < valentin> sepp: try to remove the FPIC-QUIRK flag in the .desc file
12:25 < sepp> yes this works
12:25 < valentin> moin Minto 
12:25 < sepp> i grepped and found it allready
12:26 < sepp> i did not know the new FPIC-QUIRK
12:26 < valentin> there was a mail from wed on the mailing list
12:29 < sepp> ffmpeg should use the manual -fPIC injection for x86_64 and maybe powerpc
12:30 < valentin> you build for athlon ?
12:31 < sepp> yes
12:32 < valentin> i assumed the flag will only affect builds for ppc and x86_64 but that does not seem to be so
12:32 < sepp> [ "$desc_F" != "${desc_F/FPIC-QUIRK}" ] && var_append GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND ' ' '-fPIC'
12:33 < sepp> in gcc/parse-config
12:33 < valentin> ic
12:33 < valentin> ffmpeg compiles without -fpic ?
12:33 < sepp> yes
12:34 < valentin> we should discuss that later with rxr or mnemoc
12:34 < sepp> its the only package in my build that failed because of the FPIC-QUIRK flag
12:34 < sepp> ok
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13:27 < keinek> hi
13:28 < keinek> hi rxr
13:28 < keinek> i have one problem with GLX with the nvidia drivers
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14:04 < keinek> hi
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14:54 < mnemoc> i shutdown my shell server by mistake again :'(
14:54 < keinek> mnemoc, 
14:54 < keinek> hi
14:54 < mnemoc> hi keinek 
14:55 < CIA-9> amery * r7776 /trunk/package/emulators/xmame/ (. xmame.conf xmame.desc): * added xmame (0.9.4)
14:55 < keinek> :)
14:55 < mnemoc> keinek: on [I]s don't use the package name, use a short description
14:55 < keinek> ok
14:55 < mnemoc> [I] Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator (MAME) for UNIX
14:55 < keinek> the ms. pacman work VERY GOOD!
14:55 < keinek> :)
14:56 < keinek> in the prozilla do the same mistake?
14:57 < keinek> no
14:57 < keinek> the prozilla is fine
14:57 < keinek> :)
14:57 < mnemoc> prozilla doesn't download :)
14:57 < mnemoc> now it does :)
14:57 < CIA-9> amery * r7777 /trunk/package/emulators/xmame/xmame.desc: * fixed xmame [I] field
14:58 < keinek> do you want that i send the xmame fix with the [I]?
14:59 < mnemoc> svn diff -r7776:7777
15:00 < rxr> re
15:01 < keinek> hi rxr
15:01 < keinek> i have one problem with nvidia drivers
15:02 < keinek> the GLX dont work
15:02 < keinek> only 2d
15:02 < keinek> direct rendering: No
15:02 < keinek> :(
15:04 < valentin> mnemoc: r7777 :)
15:04 < valentin> hi rxr
15:04 < mnemoc> hi valentin :)
15:05 < mnemoc> hi rxr 
15:07 < rxr> K3b 0.11.23 
15:07 < valentin> rxr: can i create a linux-sh package ?
15:07 < mnemoc> rxr: enqueued
15:08 < rxr> valentin: sure ...
15:08 < rxr> look into the arm repository ,-)
15:08 < rxr> linux24-psionw or so ...
15:09 < valentin> mnemoc proposed sth different before my holiday, but i don't know if he told you
15:09 < mnemoc> valentin: can't you use linux24/26 patched by arch?
15:10 < valentin> mnemoc: well - i could provide a patch or sth but the arch thing seems to be incompatible with 2.6.11.5 patch
15:11 < mnemoc> :\
15:11 < mnemoc> we need to improve that field :(
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15:11 < valentin> and i would like to provide "stable" sh tarballs with snapshots that work
15:11 < valentin> sh people do not provide such things
15:11 < mnemoc> ok
15:12 < rxr> mnemoc: a seperate package for a heavily patched variant is not too bad
15:12 < mnemoc> linux24-sh
15:12 < rxr> e.g. even the base version can differ a lot ...
15:12 < rxr> valentin: in a new superh repository ,-)
15:12 < mnemoc> we need foo-% :(
15:12 < keinek> anybody have a nvidia card?
15:13 < sepp> rxr: the x86 ffmpeg problem is the FPIC-QUIRK flag, ffmpeg builds without -fPIC
15:13 < rxr> well - let's wait a bit - get 2.1 stable and then really meditate what we need in which way - that is not 4 different solutions that do not integrate well together like in ROCK ...
15:13 < rxr> sepp: well - very interesting ...
15:13 < sepp> should FPIC-QUIRK apply to all architectures?
15:14 < rxr> Mika added FPIC there for x86-64 - so it is needed there ..
15:14 < mnemoc> keinek: i do
15:14 < rxr> sepp: yes - since it should be fPIC for all arches when it is dynamically loadable code ...
15:14 < rxr> however for ffmpeg we might just avoid that to get it built right now ...
15:15 < rxr> mnemoc: did ffmpeg build in your reference ? what optimization did you use ?
15:15 < sepp> rxr: ffmpeg is the only thing (in my build) that failed with FPIC-QUIRK
15:16 < rxr> I read that - I patch ffmpeg to not force fPIC on x86 ...
15:16 < mnemoc> rxr: p4, and http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/T2/regressions.html#ffmpeg
15:17 < mnemoc> it failed
15:17 < rxr> ah, too bad ...
15:21 < CIA-9> amery * r7778 /trunk/package/java/ (sun-jdk-150/sun-jdk-150.conf sun-jre-150/sun-jre-150.conf): * fixed sun-{jre,jdk}-150 to not depend on blackdown's config (sorry Minto)
15:21 < CIA-9> rene * r7779 /trunk/package/multimedia/ffmpeg/ffmpeg.conf: * fixed ffmpeg for x86 (no fPIC) - UNTESTED
15:22 < CIA-9> amery * r7780 /trunk/package/java/blackdown-jre/blackdown-jre.conf: * changed generic blackdown config to not include sun's only stuff (sorry Minto)
15:22 < mnemoc> rxr: ffmpeg enqueued
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15:23 < jeru> moin
15:23 < mnemoc> moin jeru 
15:23 < jeru> hi mnemoc :)
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15:26 < mnemoc> qmatplot insist to put him rc file on $root :(
15:26 < jeru> :|
15:26 < mnemoc> i'll have to patch that thing
15:26 < keinek> prozilla work fine.
15:26 < mnemoc> anyone use qmatplot?
15:26 < keinek> remember that bin is "proz"
15:26 < jeru> mnemoc: had a mail from ldapdns maintainer today in my ... btw: ldapdns 3 isn't abondened but the interest isn't high atm 
15:27 < jeru> hi keinek :)
15:27 < keinek> hi jeru
15:27 < mnemoc> jeru: good to now :)
15:27 < mnemoc> keinek: mine -l prozilla
15:27 < mnemoc> :)
15:27 < keinek> why mine?
15:27 < mnemoc> mine is our package manager
15:28 < keinek> ohhh
15:28 < keinek> Mmmm
15:28 < keinek> good
15:28 < keinek> that show all files
15:28 < keinek> :)
15:28 < keinek> ok guys... i wanna 3d
15:28 < keinek> and.
15:28 < keinek> you kernel is full automatic compile.
15:28 < keinek> now
15:28 < keinek> nvidia too
15:28 < keinek> so.
15:28 < keinek> or i compile the kernel by my own
15:29 < keinek> and after compile nvidia driver.
15:29 < keinek> or.
15:29 < jeru> mnemoc: ldapdns maintainer will commit pending patches to ldapdns 3 the next days
15:29 < keinek> ...
15:29 < mnemoc> jeru: will we move to ldapdns3?
15:29 < keinek> GLX dont work.
15:29 < keinek> :(
15:30 < mnemoc> do you have the modules loaded and your X set to use nvidia driver?
15:30 < keinek> yes
15:30 < keinek> the nvidia work
15:30 < mnemoc> glx enabled?
15:30 < keinek> but dont load GLX
15:30 < mnemoc> why?
15:30 < keinek> i use my own .conf
15:30 < jeru> mnemoc: not yet ... but it's worth to take a look on ... and ldapdns 2 seems to be very stable because nobody wants to replace it ;)
15:30 < keinek>         Load  "dbe"
15:31 < keinek>         Load  "extmod"
15:31 < keinek>         Load  "fbdevhw"
15:31 < keinek>         Load  "glx"
15:31 < keinek>         Load  "record"
15:31 < keinek>         Load  "freetype"
15:31 < keinek>         Load  "type1"
15:31 < keinek>         Load  "v4l"
15:31 < mnemoc> keinek: i meaned the error output shown by xorg
15:31 < mnemoc> keinek: and please don't paste the whole thing
15:31 < keinek> sorry
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15:36 < sepp> maybe known problem, Chroot-Jailing for example apache breaks pkgs that use apache for example subversion. wrong path in $ROCKCFG_PKG_APACHE_PREFIX...
15:36 < sepp> same with mysql qt...
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15:37 < sepp> the init scripts for jailed servers are also wrong
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15:38 < mnemoc> i haven't seen jail's authors in more than two years :\
15:40 < rxr> keinek2: you need to copy the .so files from /usr/src/nvideo s.th. to /usr/X11/lib or so ...
15:40 < rxr> we can not prepackage them there, since that would disable 3D for the open source drivers ...
15:40 < rxr> mnemoc: could you test ffmpeg fix ?
15:40 < rxr> it is untested - commited from os x ...
15:41 < jeru> hi rxr
15:42 < mnemoc> rxr: it is on my build queue
15:43 < rxr> oh - tomorrow there will be a james bond tramsission I do not yet know I think ...
15:44 < valentin> hm, the linux sh error is not 2.6.11.5 specific
15:44 < valentin> there is no include/asm-sh/vga.h
15:47 < valentin> needed by drivers/char/tty_io.o
15:50 < sepp> rxr: ffmpeg fix works
15:50 < rxr> hm
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15:51 < mnemoc> rxr: == 03/26/05 10:49:18 =[5]=> Finished building package ffmpeg.
15:55 < rxr> good
15:56 < mnemoc> opt/gnome2/share/mime/magic: gdesklets glabels <--- are this files generated or just installed?
15:58 < sepp> btw ffmpeg-0.4.9-pre1 builds without confopt "--disable-mmx"
15:59 < keinek2> rxr i copy that files but dont work.
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16:09 < rxr> keinek: take a look into the nvidia install instructions ..
16:10 < rxr> you have the kernel module built by T2 - but maybe read what .so files to inject where ...
16:10 < rxr> I never invested in nvidia hardware for closed source reasons ...
16:10 < keinek> i understand
16:10 < keinek> but
16:10 < rxr> well - the kernel module is built by T2 ...
16:10 < keinek> you have direct render ?
16:10 < rxr> if that would not be there it would not work at all ...
16:10 < rxr> you use nvidia as driver? right?
16:11 < keinek> yes
16:11 < keinek> ok... so... where is the kernel sources?
16:12 < keinek> in every distro i have in src the sources of kernel.
16:12 < mnemoc> keinek: kernel sources lead you to inconsistences, so we don't provide that 'feature'
16:12 < rxr> keinek: T2 uses the vanilla sources - and only applies the .patch files in the kernel package dir ..
16:12 < rxr> not big changes ...
16:19 < keinek> ok... i need kernel sources
16:19 < keinek> if i use the files that appear in the root of the t2-trunk when i create de linux26 package.
16:19 < keinek> meaby work dont you?
16:21 < rxr> keinek: no - do not mess with you rkernel ..
16:21 < rxr> it includes nvidia support ...
16:21 < rxr> it is s.th. else ...
16:21 < keinek> ok... but i need that the nvidia installer found the sources
16:21 < keinek> what is "s.th" ?
16:22 < rxr> something
16:22 < rxr> keinek: when T2 builds a kernel the nvidia stuff is build matchingly ...
16:22 < rxr> the only missing part must be some library or so at the wrong place ...
16:23 < sepp> i use the bin. only nvidia drivers - maybe i can help
16:23 < jeru> keinek: on one of my machine with nvidia chip I used the standard modular kernel provided by T2
16:23 < jeru> and it works 
16:23 < keinek> ok, the nvidia driver work fine
16:23 < keinek> the problema es GLX
16:24 < keinek> problem*
16:24 < keinek> i move the files that rxr said
16:24 < keinek> but still dont work.
16:24 < rxr> keinek: as I wrote, when the graphic works then the kernel module is ok - without it X does not come up at all ...
16:24 < jeru> hmmm ... but I use GLX on this machine ... strange
16:25 < keinek> i said that need the kernel source only for use de nvidia installer and see where place the glx libraries.
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16:26 < sepp> keinek: what do you mean with glx problem?
16:26 < keinek> GLX dont work.
16:26 < keinek> i have that error when X start.
16:26 < sepp> glxgears for example?
16:26 < keinek> glxgears work without Direct Render.
16:26 < keinek> Sloowly
16:27 < keinek> The driver is work in 2d.
16:27 < sepp> you changed the driver entry in xorg.conf?
16:27 < keinek> yes... i change nv to nvidia
16:27 < keinek> so the tv is working too
16:27 < rxr> keinek: when you have 2d the kernel module is ok ...
16:27 < keinek> yes the kernel module is ok.
16:28 < keinek> but something in the nvidia package is wrong with glx
16:28 < keinek> so i wanna run the original .run from nvidia.
16:28 < keinek> just to see if fix the problem with GLX
16:28 < keinek> but the .run search the kernel sources.
16:28 < keinek> sources that i dont have.
16:28 < sepp> no you need some patches 
16:29 < keinek> ok i listen 
16:29 < sepp> the normal nvidia installer does not work without patch with 2.6.11
16:29 < keinek> but we have 3 nvidia installer
16:29 < rxr> sepp: yes - ack - we patch it to work together ...
16:30 < CIA-9> amery * r7781 /trunk/package/java/ (6 files in 2 dirs): 
16:30 < CIA-9> * changed sun-jdk-150 to optional
16:30 < CIA-9> * injected copyright note to sun-{jdk,jre}-150
16:31 < rxr> keinek: yes - one for each of the supported arches - x86, x86-64 and ia64 ...
16:31 < rxr> keinek: focus on getting the libGL* to the right place ...
16:31 < rxr> maybe make sure to remove the x.org ones before ...
16:32 < keinek> ok
16:33 < mnemoc> rxr: that deserves an stone procedure
16:33 < rxr> yeah - be happy that I cared enough to get them build together correctly ...
16:33 < mnemoc> :)
16:33 < keinek> ok... i was lost X
16:34 < rxr> mnemoc: you do the stone module *g*
16:34 < keinek> i delete so much
16:34 < mnemoc> keinek will :)
16:36 < keinek> a long time ago
16:36 < keinek> i still one week with ATI RADEON
16:36 < keinek> day and night with the fuc*!! card
16:36 < keinek> finally work.
16:37 < mnemoc> ati or nvidiA?
16:37 < keinek> now is nvidia
16:37 < keinek> but one time long time ago i have ati.
16:37 < keinek> ati... have free drivers.
16:37 < keinek> nvidia no.
16:37 < rxr> keinek: but only for the older stuff - up to 9200 ...
16:37 < keinek> but the driver of nvidia ... are a driver
16:38 < keinek> with the ati... is like a voodoo 3 with linux.
16:38 < CIA-9> amery * r7782 /trunk/package/network/prozilla/ (. prozilla.desc): 
16:38 < CIA-9> Leonel Ivan Saafigueroa <leonel@saafigueroa.com.ar>:
16:38 < CIA-9>  * added prozilla (1.3.7.3)
16:38 < keinek> freeze
16:38 < keinek> great!
16:38 < keinek> we have prozilla!
16:38 < keinek> yeeeepy
16:38 < mnemoc> :)
16:39 < keinek> the ati that i probe was 9200
16:39 < keinek> believe me... ati in linux is very bad
16:39 < keinek> there are two way to work
16:40 < keinek> and both are bad
16:40 < keinek> nvidia have one way.
16:40 < keinek> close sources
16:40 < keinek> but work.
16:40 < mnemoc> what about gatos?
16:40 < keinek> is fine for play doom or wolfentein.
16:41 < mnemoc> but?
16:41 < keinek> come one mnemoc! i but that card to play good
16:41 < keinek> with that drivers is like a voodoo.
16:41 < keinek> i buy*
16:42 < mnemoc> the last card i bought was a tnt2
16:42 < mnemoc> i haven't played after that
16:44 < keinek> ok
16:44 < keinek> the tnt2 is best that ati 9200 in linux
16:44 < keinek> so... the support of ati suck
16:44 < keinek> believe me
16:45 < mnemoc> :)
16:45 < keinek> tnt2 is a great card
16:45 < keinek> all you need
16:45 < mnemoc> yep :)
16:45 < keinek> mnemoc rxr knows where place that files right?
16:45 < mnemoc> rxr knows everything :)
16:46 < keinek> ok... so this is a test?
16:46 < sepp> whats the xorg error you get?
16:46 < keinek> a test for see how i colision my head to the monitor.
16:46 < mnemoc> hehe
16:47 < mnemoc> he is very very very busy, that's why he can only give you guide lines
16:47 < keinek> (EE) NVIDIA(0) : Failed to load GLX
16:47 < sepp> that is all?
16:47 < keinek> Mmm yes
16:47 < mnemoc> keinek: look at the log _file_
16:47 < keinek> without GLX
16:47 < keinek> i dont have 3d
16:47 < keinek> same lines
16:47 < keinek> bla bla bla
16:48 < keinek> but dont show me where search that GLX 
16:48 < sepp> anything like linnvidia*.so no such file or dir. ?
16:48 < keinek> sepp you have nvidia?
16:48 < sepp> yes
16:48 < keinek> with the GLX support direct render activate?
16:48 < sepp> yes
16:48 < keinek> Great!
16:49 < keinek> send me mail.
16:49 < keinek> with the X11 file list
16:49 < keinek> and X11 conf.
16:49 < keinek> can you do that?
16:49 < mnemoc> keinek: try to be a bit more polite next time :)
16:50 < sepp> you checked the var/log/Xorg* ?
16:50 < sepp> what was the name of the err file?
16:50 < sepp> 8.err?
16:50 < keinek> ok i will see
16:52 < keinek> ok i give up
16:52 < keinek> i dont believe that i have problemas with that driver.
16:52 < keinek> problem*
16:53 < keinek> my way to solve that problem is too complicate.
16:54 < keinek> you know... if i compile kernel...and  x.org... on my way... i know where is the problem.
16:55 < keinek> but i have a idea.
16:56 < mnemoc> what you have after emerging linux26 is jsut the same you get by building by hand, you only need to relocate them as you would do by hand
16:57 < sepp> but what is the problem if xorg?
16:57 < sepp> the blah blah in the log file
16:57 < sepp> of*
16:57 < keinek> nothing
16:57 < keinek> the only error is that
16:57 < keinek> GLX dont work
16:57 < keinek> ok i be back soon 
16:58 < keinek> cu
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17:07 < CIA-9> amery * r7783 /trunk/package/kde/k3b/ (flac-vorbiscomment.patch k3b.desc): * updated k3b (0.11.21 -> 0.11.23)
17:18 < rxr> valentin: I merge my work into trunk
17:18 < rxr> I need it there ...
17:18 < rxr> only one conflict - I resolve this and apply ...
17:18 < rxr> commit even ...
17:20 < mnemoc> :)
17:21 < rxr> mnemoc: why do you smile - due to our open closed source software development discussed here?
17:22 < mnemoc> yep
17:24 < mnemoc> jeru: ping
17:24 < jeru> here I am :)
17:25 < mnemoc> i'm a bit confused with ldapdns... nsRecord is the domain or the name of the NS?
17:25 < jeru> was out ... my brother arrived
17:26 < jeru> NSRecord is for the name server
17:26 < jeru> CNAMERecord for the domain
17:26 < mnemoc> cname??
17:27 < mnemoc> i'm more confused now
17:27 < jeru> :)
17:27 < jeru> send you a ldiff
17:27 < jeru> because I've to go away soon ... 
17:28 < mnemoc> ok
17:28 < mnemoc> thanks
17:31 < jeru> mnemoc: I'll send it in approx. 10 minutes
17:36 < mnemoc> jeru: ok
17:37 < CIA-9> amery * r7784 /trunk/package/java/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * injected copyright note into blackdown-{jre,jdk} packages
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17:38 < Postal> hey sll
17:38 < Postal> all*
17:39 < mnemoc> hi go-postal.com
17:39 < Postal> mnemoc,  lol
17:39 < Postal> I have to set up my other comp to host the site still,,
17:40 < Postal> checking whether autoconf is installed... yes
17:40 < Postal> checking whether autoconf works... no
17:40 < Postal> configure: error: The installed version of autoconf does not work.
17:40 < Postal>     Please check config.log for error messages before this one.
17:40 < Postal> Due to previous errors, no 3-automake.log file!
17:40 < Postal> (Try enabling xtrace in the config to track an error inside the build system.)
17:41 < mnemoc> what does config.log say?
17:42 < Postal> mnemoc,  where is config.log located
17:42 < mnemoc> src.automake.*/automake-*/
17:45 < Postal> It also complains that the version of autoconf does not work...
17:45 < Postal> the error message is almost identical
17:45 < rxr> ouch - I just turned the mp3 stream louder and noticed later on that it is britney spears - ouch
17:46 < Postal> lol
17:46 < mnemoc> Postal: inside .log you can see what configure executed before taking that decition
17:47 < rxr> Minto: mnemoc: to the alternative discussion - I heared debian has a fine alternative system - howecer I never looked at it my self ...
17:47 < Minto> rxr: do you have a link?
17:47 < mnemoc> alternative system?
17:47 < Postal> configure:2261: checking whether autoconf works
17:47 < Postal> configure:2268: cd conftest && eval autoconf -o /dev/null conftest.ac
17:47 < Postal> NONE:0: /usr/bin/m4: `m4_symbols' from frozen file not found in builtin table!
17:47 < Postal> autom4te: /usr/bin/m4 failed with exit status: 1
17:47 < Postal> configure:2271: $? = 1
17:47 < Postal> configure:2280: result: no
17:47 < rxr> damn - how I hate XCode - now I already managed to create a directory structure with this gui tool that I do not like ...
17:47 < Postal> configure:2284: error: The installed version of autoconf does not work.
17:47 < Postal>     Please check config.log for error messages before this one.
17:48 < mnemoc> Postal: what do you have there?
17:48 < Postal> That is what configure executed before the autoconf error
17:48 < mnemoc> Minto: did you see the last changes to java stuff?
17:48 < mnemoc> Minto: are they ok now?
17:49 < rxr> valentin: around ?
17:49 < mnemoc> Postal: t2 or fedora?
17:49 < jeru> mnemoc: ldif is out <- check inbox 
17:49 < mnemoc> jeru: thanks
17:49 < Postal> well its stage 3 so i assume t2 is using the tools it built
17:49 < mnemoc> .oO( multithreaded chat )o
17:50 < mnemoc> Postal: oh, yes
17:50 < Postal> so it should not matter what i am using correct
17:50 < Postal> but im using suse.. fc4 was too much of a problem
17:50 < Postal> ggc4 and all
17:51 < valentin> rxr: mom
17:51 < Minto> mnemoc: From the looks they are. I will do an install on each one shortly.
17:52 < Minto> mnemoc: rxr: I am trying to find that debian alternative stuff. RedHat seems to like like it, they copied it.
17:53 < rxr> Minto: I have not seen details - just one of the knowledged ROCK people (SMP) mentioned it once ...
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17:55 < keinek> hi everybody
17:56 < keinek> GLX work fine
17:56 < rxr> hi keinek 
17:56 < keinek> thanks rxr 
17:56 < rxr> keinek: ah - what did you change ?
17:56 < keinek> Symbol Links
17:56 < mnemoc> Minto: ok
17:56 < keinek> i read the makefile of the nvidia install
17:56 < rxr> keinek: you mean symbolic links to the .so files ?
17:56 < keinek> the end part
17:56 < keinek> yes
17:56 < keinek> and work.
17:56 < rxr> ah - ic ...
17:56 < rxr> good ,-)!
17:56 < rxr> keinek: I hope you love T2 now ,-)
17:56 < keinek> yeah you happy
17:57 < keinek> :)
17:57 < keinek> and me too
17:58 < valentin> re
17:58 < rxr> hm - valentin our ExactScan file layout will differ a bit from the TWAIN Data Source ...
17:58 < rxr> somehow the XCode set it up differently ...
17:58 < rxr> valentin: try checking it out ...
17:59 < rxr> somehow the files are grouped into the project name's directory - for the data source this was not done ...
17:59 < rxr> damn ...
17:59 < rxr> inconsistent ..
17:59 < valentin> what does grouped mean ?
17:59 < rxr> maybe we should write the app in a away that it boots linux and fires up a useful system *g*
18:00 < Postal> any ideas on what to do about autoconf.. does it just want me to install a newer vesrion or what?
18:01 < valentin> rxr: i'll take a meal and boot into osx after that
18:06 < rxr> Postal: ok I scroll back and take a look
18:07 < rxr> Postal: hm - never saw s.th. like that ...
18:08 < rxr> Postal: you could use "svn log" on the files package/base/m4/m4.desc and package/base/automake/automake.desc to see when they have been last modified - and if it makes sence to try a older version of them ...
18:09 < rxr> I think we already have the latest versions of those in the tree ...
18:09 < Postal> rxr, i have not svn up in about 48 hours
18:11 < keinek> what font must emerge for web look pretty?
18:13 < rxr> http://www.ppcnux.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=5013
18:13 < rxr> keinek: my desktop looks pretty with the bitsream-vera fonts ,-)
18:13 < mnemoc> rxr: ipw2100/postlinux.conf
18:13 < mnemoc>      15 hostapfile=$(match_source_file -p hostap-driver hostap)
18:13 < mnemoc>      16 hostapdir=$(echo $driverfile | sed -e "s,.*/,," -e "s,.tar.bz2,,")
18:13 < mnemoc> driverfile?
18:13 < rxr> additionally you might like to emerge the microsoft ones, too ...
18:14 < sepp> microsoft-web-core-fonts
18:14 < rxr> mnemoc: oh - hostapfile ,-)
18:14 < rxr> mnemoc: it built with that typo here *g*
18:14 < mnemoc> :)
18:15 < rxr> mnemoc: did it fail for you ?
18:16 < mnemoc> yes
18:16 < mnemoc> http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/T2/log/5-linux26.err
18:16 < keinek> rxr, ok i will use that fonts
18:16 < mnemoc> but it failed due to '[[ 26 = 24* ]]'
18:16 < keinek> yes microsoft is intalled but firefox still look bad
18:16 < mnemoc>  [[ $treever = 24* ]] && custmain=true || true   should pass
18:17 < rxr> keinek: hm - strange ... - looks all fine here
18:17 < rxr> can you make a screenshot online ?
18:17 < keinek> if i mine Xorg
18:17 < keinek> and emerge again
18:17 < keinek> the fonts lost?
18:17 < rxr> keinek: hm - no - the fonts should overlife a mine -f xorg IIRC ...
18:18 < keinek> ok
18:18 < sepp> what is the mozilla question?
18:19 < sepp> from this article
18:19 < rxr> sepp: mozilla forced debian to rename Mozilla there - since they patch it too heavily ...
18:19 < rxr> I think that is what they want to point to ...
18:19 < sepp> ohh
18:21 < keinek> ok
18:21 < keinek> anybody play quake 3?
18:22 < rxr> keinek: in the past, yes ,-)
18:22 < rxr> not in the last years ... - no time for that ...
18:22 < keinek> ok
18:22 < keinek> you play with the native bin in linux?
18:23 < rxr> I played, yes
18:23 < keinek> ok, remember the .run installs?
18:23 < rxr> I do not remeber problems - they worked out of the box I think ...
18:24 < keinek> ok
18:24 < keinek> in t2 we have problemas with all .run
18:24 < keinek> look
18:24 < keinek> bash-3.00# ./linuxq3apoint-1.31.x86.run
18:24 < rxr> maybe ask valentin - he plays more games than I do ...
18:24 < keinek> Verifying archive integrity...tail: no se puede abrir «+6» para lectura: No existe el fichero o el directorio
18:24 < keinek> Error in check sums 579851737 212141158
18:24 < keinek> bash-3.00#     
18:24 < keinek> ok i do
18:25 < rxr> hm - seems to be a problem extracting ...
18:25 < Minto> mnemoc: blackdown-jre seems to do fine. Now testing jdk.
18:25 < keinek> yes... some file 
18:27 < mnemoc> Minto: can he use on profile.d the same name that we use on prefix?
18:28 < Minto> ?
18:29 < Minto> mnemoc: Ah, I think we could, why?
18:29 < mnemoc> the remove one of the 'variables' on top
18:30 < mnemoc> to remove*
18:30 < mnemoc> $java_home can be set to /$prefix/$java_profile_id${ver.....}
18:36 < Minto> mnemoc: It could, but doing so would not result in a build error when installing two jre's. No build error is nice, but without an alternative system only one jre would be usable through JRE_HOME.
18:36 < rxr> valentin: for a wide varienty of formats we might need to use QuickTime(tm) ...
18:37 < Minto> mnemoc: Blackdown jdk works also.
18:37 < mnemoc> Minto: how do you think the JRE selection can work?
18:37 < mnemoc> Minto: i was just thinking in cleaning the .conf
18:38 < rxr> hm - damn - also only those ...
18:38 < rxr> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/quicktime/RM/ImportExport/GraphicExport/rmExporter/chapter_1_section_1.html
18:38 < Minto> mnemoc: cleaning is nice but when we do introduce an alternative system they get changed anyway.
18:39 < Minto> mnemoc: I also discovered the man pager for java do not yet work. This will result in yet more changes.
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18:40 < rxr> seems like for writing PDFs Quartz 2D is the way to go ...
18:40 < mnemoc> i have troubles with MANPATH here too, but i haven't digged
18:41 < Minto> Sun jre work also.
18:42 < rxr> Minto: thanks for the work - java was a weak point in T2 so far ...
18:42 < mnemoc> none of us use java :)
18:42 < rxr> whit an alternative system and OpenOffice built from source the T2 package repository would look quite nice ...
18:42 < rxr> + open groupware ...
18:43 < rxr> I already got many requsts for that during fairs ...
18:43 < mnemoc> phpgropware :)
18:43 < rxr> both ,-)
18:43 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - ack - I do not care a bit about java ...
18:43 < rxr> but it is great to be in T2 ,-)
18:43 < mnemoc> yes, we need that
18:44 < rxr> open office it not yet building much further ?
18:45 < mnemoc> have you seen the logs?
18:45 < mnemoc> we are not far of it, but i haven had time to do more fixes
18:45 < rxr> I did not click on it on your ref page - I feared it is huge ...
18:45 < rxr> ok - my athlon is powered on - I start a build of it ...
18:48  * rxr off to get some more food into the house before the next celebration days I have to work on ...
18:50 < Minto> And finally Sun jdk works as well.
18:50 < mnemoc> :D
18:51 < rxr> # ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -noupdate ooo
18:51 < rxr> cu - soon
18:51 < mnemoc> Minto: can you explain me the 'alternative system' thingy?
18:51 < mnemoc> rxr: cu
18:52 < Minto> cu rxr
18:54 < Minto> mnemoc: an alternative system is quite easy. Makes have more alternative of the same thing easy. For instance gcc (or other c/c++ compiler) or java or whatever. Multiple versions get installed and some kind of script makes it easy to switch to an other alternative.
18:54 < Minto> s/other/one of the installed/
18:54 < mnemoc> Minto: how does that work?
18:55 < mnemoc> lot of symlinks?
18:57 < Minto> Maybe, I think it depends on the alternative system. I don't intend to write my own if good ones exists.
18:58 < Minto> I think I first want to find the debian alternative system before continuing adding more jvm's.
18:59 < Minto> Although java support for other arches beside x86 and x86-64 would be nice.
18:59 < mnemoc> http://www.encap.org/ <--- something like this?
19:00 < Minto> dunno, now reading
19:06 < Minto> mnemoc: partly. Looks like multiple verions can be installed. However I miss the part where a normal user can overrule the global settings. For instance global setting is gcc 3.3 and a power user needs to play around with gcc 4.0 then he needs to resort to trick to circumvent the global setting. It would be nice for the user to be able to switch to a different version with one simple command.
19:07 < Minto> Like rxr mentioned debian seems to have something in place. It is even good enough for the Red Hat people to copy it.
19:08 < mnemoc> .oO
19:08 < Minto> If only I could find where it is.
19:09 < mipe> Minto: gentoo uses quite good alternative system, http://packages.gentoo.org/search/?sstring=java-config
19:10 < Minto> mipe: I found that one too, but is seems to be only for java. I think rxr prefers a system that would work for anything.
19:12 < mipe> Minto:theres also gcc-config,i think they made new package for every alternative package. i havent looked how they do it,but seems to work
19:12 < mnemoc> .oO( i think that should wait for 2.2 )o
19:13 < jeru> yep ... that's how gentoo is functioning 
19:13 < Minto> Maybe I have to take a look at that one too. But first I want to find the debian one.
19:13 < mnemoc> jeru: there is code for !get_env("LDAP_SUFFIX") :(
19:14 < jeru> normaly these config scripts from gentoo are simple bash ;)
19:14 < Minto> The java-config one seems to be python.
19:15 < jeru> mnemoc: hmmm ... perhaps we can cirumvent sth with an empty LDAP_SUFFIX ... or we'll do it the hard way -> patching ;)
19:15 < mipe> yep gentoo has python script for changing alternatives,debian has symlinks at /etc/alternatives to handle it
19:16 < jeru> so finaly ... I've to leave ... cu later * :)
19:16 < Minto> cu jeru
19:17 < Minto> Have you fund the debian stuff? url please.
19:17 < jeru> cu all ... but I think not before monday ... :|
19:17 < mipe> Minto:nope i have ubuntu(debian) here. but it looks kind of wierd
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19:18 < mipe> i have gcc-3.3 and gcc-3.4 /usr/bin/gcc points to gcc-3.3 and /etc/alternatives/gcc points to gcc-3.4
19:20 < mipe> damm its hard to get tomcat running in... it use to be easy as ****
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19:23 < madtux> hi
19:24 < keinek> i found one error en mplayer
19:24 < keinek> wheh emerge
19:24 < keinek> download mplayer
19:24 < keinek> and.
19:24 < keinek> blue
19:24 < keinek> the skin for X
19:24 < madtux> hola keinek.
19:24 < keinek> when execute gmplayer
19:24 < keinek> hola madtux
19:24 < keinek> [skin] file ( /usr/share/mplayer/Skin/default/skin ) not found.
19:24 < keinek> that error
19:24 < keinek> because
19:24 < madtux> keinek, very to see you again my fiend
19:24 < keinek> mike!
19:25 < keinek> in a moment i think that you are mnemoc
19:25 < keinek> too hours
19:25 < keinek> :)
19:25 < keinek> hahaha
19:25 < madtux> bah
19:25 < keinek> i think ... "why hi again?"
19:25 < keinek> hahaha
19:25 < rxr> keinek: I heared about that mplayer problem - I can review on my side and fix that in some minutes ...
19:26 < keinek> i can fix too ;)
19:26 < keinek> is just a problem with the way of dir
19:27 < mnemoc> keinek: can you send a patch for it?
19:27 < mnemoc> hi mightytux
19:28 < rxr> keinek: the default dir does not exist? only one called blue or so ?
19:28 < keinek> the blue install in /usr/share/mplayer/Skin/Blue
19:28 < Minto> Ahh found some doc of it. debian update-alternatives seems to be a perl script ( see 10.10 at the bottom of http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-customizing.en.html )
19:28 < keinek> when must install in /usr/share/mplayer/Skin/default/skin
19:29 < mnemoc> a symlink can solve that
19:30 < mnemoc> rxr: do you want alternative systems on 2.1??
19:30 < rxr> mnemoc: for me cups alternative vs. lprng is broken anyway ...
19:30 < rxr> if s.th. can be added smoothly ...
19:30 < rxr> that works ...
19:30 < keinek> yes
19:30 < rxr> maybe even as 2.1.1 or 2.1.2 update ....
19:30 < rxr> keinek: symlink should be set - I commit that in some minutes ...
19:30 < keinek> ok
19:31 < sepp> keinek: do you still have the quake error?
19:32 < keinek> yes
19:32 < keinek> just a momento
19:33 < sepp> its the haed tail syntax change 
19:33 < valentin> ah !
19:33 < sepp> i had this some time ago with an other installer
19:33 < valentin> i could have noticed the +6
19:34 < mnemoc> .oO( aaaaarg!!! why are the hours this short!! )o
19:34 < sepp> was it export POSIX=somedate to fix it?
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19:35 < valentin> hi klepper
19:37 < valentin> bbl
19:38 < mnemoc> hi kleper 
19:38 < kleper> que tal mnemoc 
19:38 < kleper> acabo de ver que existe este canal :D
19:38 < mnemoc> english please :)
19:39 < sepp> keinek: "export _POSIX2_VERSION=199209"
19:39 < sepp> before you run the installer
19:39 < mnemoc> kleper: nice to see you around
19:40 < kleper> ok
19:40 < kleper> i am downloading the iso of t2 for testing 
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19:41 < mnemoc> kleper: don't forget we sell a kit, not an iso ;)
19:41 < kleper> ok
19:43 < valentin> re
19:43 < mnemoc> desktop iso is just a sample of what you can do
19:43 < mnemoc> hi valentin 
19:43 < valentin> hi mnemoc 
19:44 < valentin> now in OSX :(
19:45 < mnemoc> valentin: enjoy :p
19:46 < mnemoc> valentin: how is your QD work going?
19:48 < valentin> rxr: core/avision.c:1796:2: #error "You must update include/sane/sanei_usb.h and sanei/sanei_usb.c accordingly!"
19:48 < valentin> mnemoc: QD ?
19:48 < mnemoc> quickdraw
19:49 < madtux> hello mny
19:49 < valentin> i let rxr do that :p - my current goal is i18n which is a bit tricky in a twain DS under osx
19:49 < mnemoc> hi mightytux
19:50 < valentin> rxr: i am at HEAD - so what ?
19:50 < mnemoc> valentin: did he said you don't use your^W HEAD?
19:51 < valentin> i seldom use my head, i have my computer for such things ,)
19:51 < mnemoc> :)
19:54 < valentin> rxr: ping
20:00 < rxr> valentin: ouh
20:00 < rxr> yeah - was soldering my blei gel accu loader
20:00 < rxr> charger even
20:00 < valentin> ouh ? i expected pong
20:00 < valentin> don't blow yourself away
20:00 < valentin> ah - blei accu
20:01 < valentin> i thought about your Lithium Ion thing
20:01 < CIA-9> amery * r7785 /trunk/package/network/ipw2100/postlinux.conf: * fixed linux26/ipw2100
20:01 < rxr> so - merge 270 into trunk ,-)
20:01 < rxr> or - wait
20:01 < rxr> I do
20:01 < mnemoc> anyone can test lcdproc?
20:01 < rxr> nope
20:01 < rxr> in rock esden used it ...
20:02 < rxr> and left long before we did ... ,-)
20:02 < mnemoc> :\
20:02 < rxr> valentin: ok - should build now again ,-)
20:02 < valentin> anyone here with iTunes source code handy ? i need to patch that stupid status display
20:03 < mnemoc> rxr: i removed a big 'deconfiguring' patch to make it build
20:03 < valentin> rxr:many many many warnings inside that libusb stuff
20:03 < rxr> valentin: as usual, righht?
20:03 < rxr> mnemoc: hm - as long as it builds ...
20:04 < valentin> i hope - din't read all of them
20:04 < rxr> I guess noone used it in years ...
20:04 < rxr> yeah - the mac usb stuff yields some warning ...
20:04 < rxr> I have not cared so far ...
20:05 < rxr> configure: error:  operating system is not suitable to build OpenOffice.org!
20:05 < rxr> checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnuoldld
20:05 < mnemoc> gnueoldld?
20:05 < valentin> yeah i got the bundle (by hardcoding the path)
20:06 < rxr> mnemoc: no idea - it is /your/ package ...
20:06 < rxr> == 03/26/05 19:34:03 =[9]=> Finished building package mplayer.
20:06 < rxr> ^- that one build from the same prestine desktop target ...
20:06 < mnemoc> :(
20:07 < mnemoc> it's jsaw's .... which seems to be disappering just like esden
20:08 < jsaw> .oO( :p )
20:08 < mnemoc> jsaw: hi :)
20:08 < madtux> that even hurt me
20:08 < jsaw> hi :)
20:08 < mnemoc> madtux: hehe
20:08 < mnemoc> madtux: yes, you left selinux repo abandoned 
20:11 < madtux> ABANDONED?
20:11 < Minto> Gotta go now! cu *
20:11 < jsaw> cu, Minto 
20:11 < valentin> rxr: yeah i get i18ned strings
20:11 < mnemoc> cu Minto 
20:12 < mnemoc> madtux: it looks like :)
20:12 < rxr> valentin: does ftp work on osx ? can you try out ftp://ftp.conrad.de ?
20:13 < rxr> if yes, could you take a look if there are the manuals for the "bausaetze" ?
20:15 < madtux> its not abandones
20:15 < madtux> you know what keeped me away
20:15 < valentin> rxr: why don't you do ??
20:16 < valentin> iiiihhhhbaehhhh
20:16 < mnemoc> madtux: i'm just pushing you to get back :)
20:16 < valentin> when i enter ftp:// in my safary, it starts an IE@mac !?
20:17 < valentin> apple :(
20:17 < valentin> and M$IE yields a connection error whatever
20:18 < madtux> nhemok... i AM back
20:19 < mnemoc> madtux: good :)
20:20 < madtux> do you want / need proofs?
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20:22 < mnemoc> madtux: do you?
20:22 < madtux> i guess i can show people i am alive
20:22 < mnemoc> show me
20:23 < mnemoc> http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/T2/regressions.html <--- this is other valid way to show you are alive
20:24 < madtux> _I_ have to fix _YOUR_ mess?
20:24 < madtux> ;)
20:24 < mnemoc> you can do whatever you want to do :)
20:26 < rxr> valentin: the finder ftp:// stuff does not want to work ofer my FTP NAT ...
20:26 < rxr> madtux: it is no mess ! ;-(
20:26 < rxr> ) even ..
20:27 < madtux> mnemoc, i can't prove @#%@$%^
20:27 < madtux> my svn account does no longer athenticate
20:28 < rxr> the price of "Schaumburg Lippe" bought Apple stuff in the Gravis store my brother is jobbing as student ... ,-)
20:28 < mnemoc> <madtux> my svn account does no longer athenticate <--- rxr?
20:29 < rxr> madtux: it should ...
20:29 < rxr> maybe you forgot that we changed your login name one day ?
20:29 < madtux> whats my login name?
20:29 < madtux> :)
20:30 < mnemoc> *LOL*
20:30 < madtux> well it used to be miguel
20:31  * madtux kicks mnemoc
20:31 < rxr> miguelb
20:31 < rxr> madtux: you complaied it is too much miguel de icaza ...
20:31 < madtux> ah damn you are right
20:31 < madtux> i never complain i;m a nice guy
20:31 < jsaw> *grin*
20:32 < rxr> *big grin*
20:32 < mnemoc> :D
20:32 < CIA-9> miguelb * r7786 /trunk/package/selinux/checkpolicy/checkpolicy.desc: * Updated checkpolicy ( 1.20 > 1.22)
20:33 < CIA-9> miguelb * r7787 /trunk/package/selinux/libselinux/libselinux.desc: * Updated libselinux ( 1.20 > 1.22)
20:33 < jsaw> ...
20:33 < rxr> hehehe
20:34 < rxr> dirty dancing - hm - wasn't that broadcast recently ...
20:34 < CIA-9> miguelb * r7788 /trunk/package/selinux/libsepol/libsepol.desc: * Updated libsepol ( 1.2 > 1.4 )
20:34 < rxr> damn - now the transmissions repeat withint a year ...
20:34 < rxr> can't the broadcast s.th. one can watch ....
20:34 < mnemoc> madtux: :)
20:34 < CIA-9> miguelb * r7789 /trunk/package/selinux/polgen/polgen.desc: * Updated polgen ( 0.9 > 1.0s )
20:35 < mnemoc> madtux: 7800 is waiting for you
20:35 < CIA-9> miguelb * r7790 /trunk/package/selinux/policy/policy.desc: * Updated policy ( 1.20 > 1.22)
20:37 < CIA-9> miguelb * r7792 /trunk/package/selinux/selinux-doc/selinux-doc.desc: * Updated selinux-doc ( 1.16 > 1.18 )
20:37 < CIA-9> miguelb * r7793 /trunk/package/selinux/setools/setools.desc: * Updated setools ( 1.5.1 > 2.0 )
20:37 < mnemoc> 2.0??
20:37  * madtux hides
20:37 < rxr> madtux: some tiny comment the layout is usually ...
20:38 < mnemoc> i know you will make them work together
20:38 < rxr> <tab>* updated setools (1.5.1 -> 2.0)
20:38 < CIA-9> miguelb * r7791 /trunk/package/selinux/policycoreutils/policycoreutils.desc: * Updated policycoreutils ( 1.20 > 1.22)
20:38 < rxr> madtux: ./misc/archive/Commit.sh can generate that for you ...
20:38 < madtux> aight.
20:38 < madtux> thx
20:38 < rxr> I guess I have to teak the log prettifier to remove blanks after ( and before ) ...
20:39 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/ChangeLog-t2
20:39 < valentin> rxr: i am fighting with an undefined reference
20:39 < valentin> somehow the projectbuilder links the files in a wrong order
20:39 < CIA-9> miguelb * r7794 /trunk/package/selinux/slat/slat.desc: * Updated slat ( 1.2.4 > 1.2.6 )
20:39 < madtux> ok lunch time... be back with even more commits later
20:39 < rxr> valentin: btw I moved the TWAIN files into twain/
20:40 < rxr> you have to adjust that in your project builder ...
20:40 < valentin> rxr: i know
20:40 < valentin> i did
20:40 < rxr> ok - what reference is undefined ?
20:40 < madtux> this will i will be trying to run t2 on my ipaq
20:40 < madtux> :)
20:40 < madtux> this week
20:40 < valentin> one to a function i implemented
20:40 < valentin> mom, i'll check in
20:40 < rxr> hm - I do not want trunk in xcode right now ...
20:40 < rxr> so I can not review ..
20:40 < mnemoc> madtux: tested commits i hope
20:40 < rxr> but when it is in your own function - you will find it - I'm sure
20:41 < madtux> mnemoc, yes
20:41 < mnemoc> madtux: good boy :)
20:41  * mnemoc hides
20:41 < rxr> mnemoc: do we have samba 3.0.13 ?
20:42 < rxr> ah we have ...
20:42 < mnemoc> rxr: sure 
20:42 < mnemoc> rxr: and it ise running here
20:43 < valentin> rxr: svn up
20:43 < valentin> and add the two new files in your xcode
20:43 < rxr> Apple: Large Prize Offered For Writing Mac Virus
20:44 < rxr> valentin: I have not yet performed the i18n transition in xcode ...
20:44 < rxr> my main development is in the 0.3 branch ...
20:44 < valentin> rxr: that will not matter
20:48 < rxr> I have evening dinner first now ,-)
20:48 < valentin> everythiing in osx sucks
20:48 < valentin> even the shell does not work correctly when piping output
20:52 < valentin> and the output is so f*****n slow
20:53 < valentin> i think i'll write a short shell script as genstrings replacement
20:53 < valentin> that apple tool is (as usual) quite unusable
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21:01 < valentin> ouh rxr: our ds causes exceptions in photoshop when no scanner is found
21:02 < valentin> damn sht
21:04 < valentin> mom
21:04 < valentin> now i have that error in all apps
21:04 < valentin> perhaps i broke sth
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21:09 < valentin> ok, think i found it
21:16 < mnemoc> finally ldapdns is working :\
21:16 < rxr> valentin: when you fix twain or so i/o bugs, please notify me so I can merge them into the 0.3 tree
21:16 < valentin> ok
21:22 < valentin> is there a utf16 switch for diff ?
21:23 < jsaw> bbl
21:23 < valentin> does not seem so :(
21:26 < valentin> ok, diff -a works
21:30 < mnemoc> valentin: thanks for the tip :)
21:31 < CIA-9> amery * r7795 /trunk/package/contrib/lcdproc/ (2 files): * fixed lcdproc, old patch keept for future reference
21:31 < valentin> mnemoc: well it is not what i would expect from a unicode diff, but however it works for my purpose :)
21:31 < CIA-9> amery * r7796 /trunk/package/gnue/gnue-designer/gnue-designer.desc: * updated gnue-designer (0.5.5 -> 0.5.6)
21:32 < mnemoc> as far as you can see the differences without much noise
21:32 < valentin> mnemoc: a cat works, but i do not know what utf16 editors make out of that file
21:33 < rxr> valentin: utf16 or utf8 ?
21:33 < valentin> utf16
21:33 < valentin> because the diff output is 8 bit
21:33 < mnemoc> ask ideal, he should use utf16
21:34 < rxr> mnemoc: huh? why ?
21:35 < mnemoc> he lives is shangai :)
21:35 < rxr> mnemoc: and? utf8 can encode anything ...
21:35 < rxr> utf16 is 16bit per "atom" ...
21:35 < mnemoc> afaik not chinesse
21:35 < rxr> where utf8 can also expand to 32bit when needed ...
21:36 < mnemoc> interesting
21:36 < rxr> mnemoc: utf8 is multibyte - and expands as needed - where the usual ASCII stuff fits in one char ...
21:36 < rxr> that is why utf8 is so much more flexible - and AFAIC nearly nothing uses utf16 ...
21:36 < mnemoc> ic
21:36 < mnemoc> thanks for the explanaition
21:37 < rxr> there was some next byte belongs to the same char encoding - s.th. like if bit 7 is set or so ..
21:38 < rxr> but I do not remeber that exactly because I never had to code to parse such stuff ...
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21:39 < rxr> I think in Linux utf16 is nearly used nowhere ...
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21:41 < Postal> Hey all
21:42 < rxr> hi Postal 
21:43 < _Ragnar_> moin
21:43 < rxr> moin _Ragnar_ 
21:44 < Postal> hey rxr, any ideas on the automake problem..
21:44 < rxr> sorry - no ...
21:44 < rxr> Postal: have you googled for it ?
21:45 < Postal> a little... but it makes no sense
21:45 < _Ragnar_> wow :) quite a lot more packages build now on a64
21:45 < Postal> in stage 3 we are using the automake that was built in stage 1...
21:47 < _Ragnar_> what's the problem?
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21:54 < mnemoc> Postal: can you show the error on your config.log to _Ragnar_?
21:54 < Postal> mnemoc, sure 1 mom
21:54 < valentin> rxr: this tool is so useless
21:55 < Postal> configure:2261: checking whether autoconf works
21:55 < Postal> configure:2268: cd conftest && eval autoconf -o /dev/null conftest.ac
21:55 < Postal> NONE:0: /usr/bin/m4: `m4_symbols' from frozen file not found in builtin table!
21:55 < Postal> autom4te: /usr/bin/m4 failed with exit status: 1
21:55 < Postal> configure:2271: $? = 1
21:55 < Postal> configure:2280: result: no
21:55 < Postal> configure:2284: error: The installed version of autoconf does not work.
21:55 < Postal>     Please check config.log for error messages before this one.
21:55 < Postal> thats the config log
21:55 < rxr> valentin: too bad
21:56 < _Ragnar_> which package?
21:56 < Postal> 3-automake
21:56 < Postal> checking whether autoconf works... no
21:56 < Postal> configure: error: The installed version of autoconf does not work.
21:56 < Postal>     Please check config.log for error messages before this one.
21:56 < Postal> Due to previous errors, no 3-automake.log file!
21:56 < Postal> (Try enabling xtrace in the config to track an error inside the build system.)
21:56 < rxr> Postal: I have no idea why m4 screams ...
21:56 < _Ragnar_> O_O
21:56 < Postal> rxr, m4?
21:57 < rxr> Postal: in the config.log you pasted there was a m4 error in ...
21:57 < _Ragnar_> works for me
21:57 < rxr> some m4 can not find build in symbol xyz ...
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21:57 < valentin> cu a bit later
21:57 < rxr> _Ragnar_: you built x86-64, too - right?
21:58 < _Ragnar_> yes
21:58 < Postal> I could always give in a use mipes stage.. but 1) thats giving up and 2) i dont have it
21:59 < Postal> would it help at all to see any more of the config.log?
21:59 < _Ragnar_> do you see any errors in earlier m4 builds?
22:00 < Postal> no
22:04 < rxr> try to remove the all automake and m4 logs in build/.../var/adm/logs and start Build-Target
22:04 < rxr> maybe a rebuild builds them correctly ...
22:06 < _Ragnar_> btw linux26 fails for me
22:06 < _Ragnar_> but I can't find an error
22:06 < _Ragnar_> last line is: ====[source:28 (last$?=0)> [[ 26 = 24* ]]
22:07 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: that was fixed
22:07 < mnemoc> [[ 26 = 24* ]] && custmain=true
22:08 < mnemoc> return false if the condition is not met
22:08 < mnemoc> so [[ 26 = 24* ]] && custmain=true || true   fixed it
22:08 < _Ragnar_> :D
22:08 < _Ragnar_> okay
22:13 < Postal> ok files are rebuilding...
22:16 < Postal> Does anyone have a link to mipes stage file?
22:23 < rxr> I could grep my chat log ...
22:23 < rxr> do you remember a part of the file name ?
22:25 < mnemoc> Postal: do you mean this http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/T2/regressions.html  but from mipe?
22:25 < CIA-9> amery * r7797 /trunk/package/x11/freeglut/ (freeglut.cache freeglut.desc): 
22:25 < CIA-9> * changed freeglut [U]
22:25 < CIA-9> * added .cache file for freeglut
22:26 < mnemoc> what is an 'stage file'?
22:26 < _Ragnar_> ftp://t2up:t2up@66.146.166.62
22:28 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: ?
22:28 < mnemoc> is that an 'stage file'?
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22:28 < keinek> hi
22:28 < keinek> i back
22:28 < madtux> keinek, welcome back
22:29 < _Ragnar_> depends on what you call stage
22:29 < _Ragnar_> if you go by the gentoo definition, yes
22:29 < Postal> _Ragnar_, i was going by the gentoo def. im not sure what else to call it...
22:30 < _Ragnar_> :D
22:32 < rxr> some system _image_?
22:33 < rxr> archive ...
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22:36 < rxr> Postal: what is the rebuild doing ?
22:37 < CIA-9> amery * r7798 /trunk/package/scientific/comedi-driver/postlinux.conf: * fixed comedi-driver by avoiding depmod call
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22:38 < rxr> I take a shower - cu
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22:52 < keinek> hi again
22:52 < rxr> hi
22:53 < mnemoc> rxr: it seems you include .svn on package checksum, after commiting i have to rebuild some packages :\
22:58 < rxr> mnemoc: I checked they are filtered out ..
22:58 < rxr> maybe find bug ?
22:58 < rxr> can you run the code sniplet manually on some package ?
22:58 < rxr> and review the output
22:58 < rxr> e.g. of the single find command ?
22:59 < mnemoc> where is that code? :p
23:01 < mnemoc> pkgchksum :)
23:02 < rxr> yep
23:02 < mnemoc> # find . ! -path '*/.*' ! -name '*.cache' -print
23:02 < mnemoc> .
23:02 < mnemoc> ./inlining-fix.patch
23:02 < mnemoc> ./comedi-driver.conf
23:02 < mnemoc> ./comedi-driver.desc
23:03 < mnemoc> ./postlinux.conf
23:03 < mnemoc> uhm
23:03 < keinek> guys how i could test the fonts in kde?
23:03 < mnemoc> weird
23:03 < keinek> i think that i lost fonts.
23:05 < rxr> hm - go some font dialog and scroll thru them .. ?
23:06 < keinek> how to do for microsoft font appear in my system
23:06 < keinek> i emerge it
23:06 < mnemoc> and run daily cron
23:06 < keinek> but... i still without arial.
23:12 < rxr> jsaw: around ?
23:13 < keinek> how test fonts?
23:15 < rxr> does anyone knwo if t-dsl or tiscali accounts can be shared between dsl lines
23:15 < rxr> are there dsl call by call offers ?
23:19 < mnemoc> here that works
23:19 < mnemoc> and accounts determine bandwidth
23:19 < rxr> keinek: maybee this is due to your modifiec /etc/fonts ...
23:20 < rxr> our /etc/fonts is pretty find - maybe your debian one does not include those pathes ...
23:20 < keinek> ok
23:20 < keinek> but if i change that file
23:20 < keinek> the fonts dissapear.
23:20 < rxr> wow tiscali accounts can be shared across locations ...
23:20 < keinek> i test it today.
23:21 < sepp> really?
23:21 < rxr> my brother just entered our parents tiscali accounts at his new home in hannover and it works there ... !!!
23:21 < keinek> what is ticali accounts?
23:21 < sepp> i have to test it
23:21 < mnemoc> keinek: ADSL accounts of ticali ISP
23:26 < keinek> ok
23:27 < keinek> here in argentina is the same
23:27 < keinek> but 
23:27 < keinek> you must have the digital line 
23:28 < keinek> hey guys
23:28 < keinek> sepp solve my problem with games!
23:28 < keinek> yiiipy!!!!
23:28 < keinek> now i can play quake 3 in t2
23:28 < keinek> :)
23:29 < rxr> keinek: for the log, what was the problem?
23:29 < rxr> sepp: please report your results ...
23:30 < keinek> ,run dont like work
23:30 < rxr> damn is it late ...
23:30 < sepp> the well known tail syntax thing
23:30 < rxr> too long trouble shooting phoning with my brother ...
23:30 < keinek> and sepp said
23:30 < keinek> export _POSIX2_VERSION=199209; sh linuxq3apoint-1.32b-3.x86.run
23:30 < keinek> i do that and work
23:30 < keinek> :)
23:30 < rxr> hehehe ,-)
23:30 < keinek> now t2 is my friend
23:30 < keinek> :P
23:31 < rxr> to find out that the t-online account data he had on paper (from 2000!) did not work anymore ... - he moved to a new WG and there nobody cared about internet ...
23:31 < sepp> i dont remember the other installer that had the same problem
23:31 < rxr> it most probably alters the tail head and so on parameter handing ...
23:31 < rxr> I already thought about building them the way to default to that POSIX version
23:32 < rxr> that is alllowing -1 and so on - that would also mean we could recycle those "head and tail" patches we have for packages to build ..
23:32 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you think ?
23:33 < sepp> btw i made some patches - should i sent them to the ml ?
23:33 < rxr> sepp: yep - the list is the beat place for them ,-)
23:33 < sepp> ok
23:33 < sepp> i have to get an new mail account 
23:34 < rxr> you fear spam or why ?
23:34 < sepp> yes
23:34 < sepp> last time i sent an patch i got 23452734 spam mails
23:34 < rxr> spamassassin + some trained thunderbird rules pretty much solved the spam problem we had ...
23:34 < rxr> oh - I never got that many ...,-)
23:34 < sepp> ohh no i dont want to start the spam game
23:35 < rxr> but I have to update and restrict spamassasin on our server ...
23:35 < rxr> sure ,-) grab a new account then ...
23:37 < rxr> I can't believe the report that claim over 1/3 click on links in spam mail ...
23:37 < rxr> can peopple be that stupid ...
23:38 < rxr> well - ok they even use windows or so ... and vote for bush - but ...
23:38 < sepp> does people use win.?
23:38 < rxr> yes - I also was suprised ...
23:39 < rxr> at the cebit I first thought there is a new linux dsitribution called windows - just later I noticed that is some kind of properitary system - however not yet ready for production - crashing and erroring quite a lot - and they did not yet released the code ...
23:39 < sepp> lol
23:39 < rxr> I asked at that strange company called Microsoft what Linux they are based on and how they managed to cripple the window manager that much ...
23:40 < rxr> and why a dog jumps over the screen ...
23:40 < rxr> however they pushed me off their booth ...
23:40 < sepp> sounds like the bad joke i got after switching from amiga to pc late 1995
23:41 < sepp> some moron preinstalled win95 version a
23:41 < rxr> I can't belive why a company develops such a strange system from scratch when there is such a production ready system out there - even running on any CPU - not just on crashing on x86 - a bit less on x86-64 and not really on ia64 ...
23:43 < rxr> sepp: do you still have an amiga? we miss a 68k port ,-)
23:43 < sepp> no i sold it
23:43 < sepp> sorry
23:44 < keinek> my dad dont buy me amiga
23:44 < keinek> too spensive
23:45 < keinek> i have a trauma for that
23:45 < keinek> but now we have...
23:45 < keinek> we have
23:45 < keinek> EMULATOR!!!
23:45 < keinek> WUehehe
23:45 < sepp> you miss "guru meditations"
23:45 < keinek> sure
23:45 < keinek> when the system halt
23:45 < keinek> jejeje
23:46 < keinek> my dad buy me ATARi
23:46 < keinek> with catriges
23:46 < keinek> now i have 25 years old
23:46 < keinek> and i still play atari games with stella
23:46 < keinek> i will add stella package in a few days :)
23:47 < rxr> ,-)
23:48 < sepp> strange ./scripts/Create-Diff ../trunk/ . > own.diff creates diffs off the *.cache files
23:49 < sepp> even if they have the same md5sum
23:49 < mnemoc> damn damn damn! damn
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23:49 < mnemoc> damn
23:50 < mnemoc> ojh: hi!
23:50 < sepp> looks like Create-Diff has an history knowledge
23:50 < mnemoc> jsaw: the other lua fan has arrived :)
23:50 < sepp> does it read old .svn things?
23:50 < mnemoc> sepp: i don't think so
23:51 < mnemoc> damn!... i'll have to go without finishing this crap
23:51 < mnemoc> aaaarg
23:52 < rxr> mnemoc: go ?
23:52 < rxr> what crap ?
23:52 < mnemoc> samba/pam_ldap
23:52 < mnemoc> it doesn't want to auth :(
23:53 < mnemoc> and i have to go back home where i don't have phisical access
23:53 < mnemoc> and playing with pam/nss is to funny without physical access
23:53 < rxr> poor mnemoc ...
23:53 < mnemoc> and my deadline was two weeks ago 
23:54 < rxr> oh shit ...
23:54 < mnemoc> | tr '[a-z]' '[A-Z]'
23:54 < rxr> mnemoc: I hope you see the light at the end of that tunnel already ...
23:55 < mnemoc> i'll have to
23:55  * mnemoc moving home :\
23:55 < rxr> cu mnemoc 
23:55 < mnemoc> cu rxr
23:55 < mnemoc> happy QD
23:56 < rxr> .oO
23:56 < mnemoc> :)
23:56 < mnemoc> cu
23:56 < rxr> cu
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