T2 IRC Log: 2005-04-03
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--- Log opened Sun Apr 03 19:02:09 2005
19:03 < jeru_> mnemoc: snort failed on your ref build because there was no aclocal found ?
19:03 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - please restart - and without --as-needed
19:03 < mnemoc> jeru_: weird
19:03 < jeru_> yep
19:03 < mnemoc> rxr: just svn up or i need to revert something?
19:03 < rxr> svn up ...
19:04 < rxr> and realy start a fresh one ... Cleanup -ful
19:04 < rxr> l
19:04 < mnemoc> Cleanup -full in progress
19:04 < rxr> cool
19:04 < rxr> we need to look into the .cache files - and further make the perfect
19:04 < jeru_> damn ... in Stuttgart somebody had done a massacre in a church using a samurai sword
19:04 < rxr> I did 2 tweaks today ...
19:05 < mnemoc> jeru_: how many?
19:05 < jeru_> they didn't tell
19:06 < jeru_> the just said it was a kind of blood bath
19:06 < CIA-9> amery * r7996 /trunk/package/archiver/dpkg/dpkg.desc: * updated dpkg (1.10.26 -> 1.10.27)
19:06 < mnemoc> jeru_: :(
19:06 < mnemoc> rxr: subversion and swig?
19:06 < rxr> I only updated subversion
19:07 < rxr> I have no intention to mess with swig - I had enough gnome yesterday and toda
19:07 < rxr> y
19:07 < CIA-9> amery * r7997 /trunk/package/develop/gwenhywfar/gwenhywfar.desc: * updated gwenhywfar (1.8.0 -> 1.10.0)
19:07 < rxr> damn - we miss the IRC logs of the last days ...
19:07 < keinek> hey guy
19:07 < keinek> http://ting.homeunix.org/
19:07 < keinek> look that
19:07 < rxr> can anyone send me
19:08 < rxr> t2-2005-03-31
19:08 < CIA-9> amery * r7998 /trunk/package/games/scummvm/scummvm.desc: * updated scummvm (0.7.0 -> 0.7.1)
19:08 < rxr> up to inlcuding:
19:08 < keinek> O.o
19:08 < rxr> t2-2005-04-03
19:08 < rxr> ?
19:08 < mnemoc> rxr: i can me remember the timezone
19:08 < mnemoc> i can but remember the timezone
19:08 < rxr> ouhm
19:08 < CIA-9> amery * r7999 /trunk/package/gnome2/gdesklets/ (gdesklets.cache gdesklets.conf gdesklets.desc): * updated gdesklets (0.34.1 -> 0.34.3)
19:10 < rxr> mnemoc: do you schedule epiphany 1.6.1 ?
19:10 < CIA-9> amery * r8000 /trunk/package/mail/postfix/postfix.desc: * updated postfix (2.2.1 -> 2.2.2)
19:11 < CIA-9> amery * r8001 /trunk/package/network/asterisk/asterisk.desc: * updated asterisk (1.0.6 -> 1.0.7)
19:11 < mnemoc> rxr: downloading
19:11 < CIA-9> amery * r8002 /trunk/package/network/stunnel/stunnel.desc: * updated stunnel (4.07 -> 4.09)
19:12 < CIA-9> chris * r8003 /trunk/package/develop/cheetah/ (. cheetah.desc): * added cheetah (0.9.16)
19:12 < rxr> mnemoc: good - we need to feed the graph ,-)
19:12 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/
19:12 < CIA-9> amery * r8004 /trunk/package/x11/gtkpod/gtkpod.desc: * updated gtkpod (0.88.1 -> 0.88.2)
19:13 < mnemoc> hehe
19:13 < mnemoc> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/ref/regressions.html#ask
19:13 < mnemoc> err... #ash
19:13 < mnemoc> and e17 stuff
19:14 < mnemoc> libgda and bogofilter died due to bdb update
19:15 < rxr> mnemoc: I often aw this ash thing happen sporadically - parallel make issue ...
19:15 < mnemoc> ok
19:15 < mnemoc> falgged as NOPARALLEL
19:17 < mnemoc> jeru_: for {nss,pam}_ldap, all using /etc/ldap, or /etc/opt/openldap/ldap.conf or as debian does /etc/lib{nss,pam}_ldap.conf ?
19:18 < jeru_> one moment ... phoning with my mom
19:20 < mnemoc> what does she think about?
19:20 < jeru_> hehe
19:20 < jeru_> re
19:21 < jeru_> I would like to use etc/opt/openldap/ldap.conf
19:21 < jeru_> what do you think?
19:22 < mnemoc> ack
19:22 < jeru_> :)
19:23 < jeru_> mnemoc: shouldn't ROCKCFG_PKG_OPENLDAP_JUSTLIBS -> ROCKCFG_PKG_OPENLDAP_CLIENTONLY ?
19:23 < mnemoc> sounds good
19:23 < jeru_> should I change it ?
19:24 < mnemoc> i think, rxr?
19:24 < mnemoc> in fact, JUSTLIBS has invented by me :p
19:24 < rxr> you are the openldap guys ...
19:25 < jeru_> hehe :)
19:25 < mnemoc> so change it :)
19:25 < jeru_> I've also done some small "beautifications" to openldap's config.in and added a config.hlp
19:25 < jeru_> committing it now
19:25 < mnemoc> ok
19:29 < mnemoc> rxr: will you include flac (ML) on this reference?
19:30 < CIA-9> chris * r8005 /trunk/package/network/openldap/ (config.hlp config.in):
19:30 < CIA-9> * changed MENU_LDAP -> MENU_PKG_OPENLDAP
19:30 < CIA-9> * changed config menu entry LDAP -> OPENLDAP Package Options
19:30 < CIA-9> * added config.hlp
19:31 < rxr> mnemoc: do you apply it ?
19:31 < rxr> loks good btw.
19:31 < mnemoc> i can't push stuff to my build machine from here
19:31 < rxr> ok - I take it
19:32 < CIA-9> chris * r8006 /trunk/package/network/openldap/config.hlp: * added Copyright Note <- forgotten in previvous commit
19:34 < CIA-9> rene * r8007 /trunk/package/audio/flac/init.patch:
19:34 < CIA-9> Sebastian Czech:
19:34 < CIA-9> * fixed flac xmms plugin
19:35 < mnemoc> reference build started
19:37 < CIA-9> chris * r8008 /trunk/package/security/prewikka/ (. prewikka.conf prewikka.desc): * added prewikka package (0.9.0-rc3)
19:37 < mnemoc> ok ... svn up
19:37 < jeru_> mnemoc: sorry
19:37 < jeru_> :)
19:37 < valentin> re
19:37 < mnemoc> i need a day to get there :)
19:37 < mnemoc> hi valentin
19:38 < valentin> hi mnemoc
19:38 < valentin> rxr: no different error but it just compiled
19:39 < valentin> rxr: maybe the error was due to some paralell make stuff ?
19:42 < jeru_> mnemoc: btw, do you'll killme if I change $ROCKCFG_PKG_OPENLDAP_JUSTLIBS -> $ROCKCFG_PKG_OPENLDAP_CLIENTONLY now ? ,)
19:43 < mnemoc> no problem
19:43 < jeru_> ok ..
19:43 < mnemoc> it's 0 by default
19:43 < mnemoc> so it change nothing on my ref
19:48 < rxr> http://www.pcstats.com/index1.html
19:49 < rxr> ^- hoe a motherboard (at Gigabyte is soldered together ...
19:51 < mnemoc> ccache considered harmfull for rm -rf
19:51 < rxr> ?
19:52 < rxr> due to so many filse in the chache dirs ?
19:52 < CIA-9> chris * r8009 /trunk/package/ (5 files in 3 dirs): * changed $ROCKCFG_PKG_OPENLDAP_JUSTLIBS -> $ROCKCFG_PKG_OPENLDAP_CLIENTONLY
19:57 < mnemoc> rxr: yes
19:57 < rxr> lol
19:57 < rxr> do you rm -rf on ext2/3 ?
19:57 < mnemoc> reiser
19:58 < rxr> ah - well - although reiser should be faster on that - I also found it slow on my iBook ...
19:58 < rxr> I guess we do not want to see the performance on ext2/3 ...
19:58 < mnemoc> i had to mv build dir to be able to start the new build
19:59 < rxr> and continue rm in the background ?
19:59 < mnemoc> on a different tty, but is like the same
20:00 < mnemoc> in 10 minutes it has freeed 2% of the disk, and i have to wait 23% more
20:03 < jeru_> btw, how much disk spaces consumes a ref build ?
20:03 < mnemoc> 20G
20:03 < mnemoc> includig download and ccache
20:03 < jeru_> default ccache value ?
20:03 < mnemoc> yes
20:03 < jeru_> ok ...
20:04 < jeru_> should I start on too on Athlon XP3000+ ?
20:04 < mnemoc> why not? ;)
20:04 < rxr> where ccache is only about 2GB, right ?
20:05 < mnemoc> yes
20:05 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/ref/regressions.html <--- you can see my config and pkgsel there
20:05 < jeru_> hmmm ... perhaps it's a exclusive right of the release manager ? ,)
20:05 < mnemoc> export ROCKCFG_PKG_CCACHE_MAX='2500M'
20:05 < mnemoc> jeru_: there are no exclusive rights on T2
20:06 * jeru_ was just joking ...
20:06 < mnemoc> :)
20:06 < mnemoc> i commented 'for the records' :)
20:06 < jeru_> do I have to watch ot for sth. if I want to start a ref build ?
20:07 < rxr> yes - for build errors to fix ,-)
20:07 < jeru_> rxr: good joke :)
20:07 < mnemoc> build errors to fix will be published on regressions page :)
20:07 < mnemoc> every 30 minutes
20:08 * jeru_ is making tea now
20:08 * rxr hands jeru_ a cup
20:08 * mnemoc looks at his empty cup
20:08 * rxr and to mnemoc, too
20:09 < mnemoc> thanks! :=
20:09 < mnemoc> :)
20:10 < mnemoc> do we wnat support for .tar.{bz2,gz}.gpg on Download ?
20:11 < rxr> maddin: I could continue studing Communication Systems ,-)
20:11 < mnemoc> o_O
20:13 * maddin will have a tea, too
20:13 < jeru_> rxr: thank you
20:13 < maddin> rxr: where?
20:13 < rxr> I clicked thru the tfh site ...
20:15 < mnemoc> what "Communication Systems" means?
20:16 < rxr> mnemoc: that is already english ...
20:16 < rxr> well - math, IT basics, DSP and such ...
20:17 < rxr> I just take a look because I might get exmatriculated because I have not studied quickly enough and I was stupid enough to let some dead lines for some exams slip slighly ...
20:17 < rxr> I recooment to everyone not to manage s.th. simillar ...
20:18 < rxr> maybe it should not continue studing - it is just too boring ...
20:18 < mnemoc> degrees are god to get jobs, at least here
20:18 < rxr> well - I want to work on my own projects anyway ... so ...
20:18 < mnemoc> good*
20:19 < rxr> I do not wanna sit at Novel or so and code their stupid ideas ...
20:19 < maddin> rxr: It's from FB 7?
20:19 < rxr> http://www.tfh-berlin.de/studium/fbvii/co.htm
20:21 < valentin> http://latex-beamer.sourceforge.net/
20:22 < jeru_> mnemoc: can we have a postgresql clientonly too ?
20:23 < mnemoc> sure
20:23 < mnemoc> on a 3 values choice?
20:23 < jeru_> do have the configure option ?
20:23 < mnemoc> i guess not
20:24 < mnemoc> i hve to go to buy bus tickets for this month, bbl
20:24 < jeru_> already unpacked the src but no e.g --without-server or so
20:24 < jeru_> mnemoc: cu
20:24 < mnemoc> i was expecting that :(
20:24 < mnemoc> cu
20:25 < rxr> cu
20:25 < rxr> valentin: is that good ?
20:27 < valentin> lars says it is perfect
20:27 < rxr> aha
20:28 < rxr> can anything be perfect with latex ?
20:32 < valentin> perfect in this context means perfect for latex
20:32 < valentin> greetings from L&P
20:38 < rxr> greetings back ...
20:40 < jeru_> there are 20x more people on #postgresql but nobody seems to know a configure option for a client only build ... at least nobody answers :/
20:51 < Mech> rxr: that build is still running from last nite - I guess the noparallel fixed it
20:51 < rxr> which package was it?
20:51 < rxr> net-tools or so ?
20:51 < Mech> yeah - net-tools or net-libs I think
20:51 < jeru_> Hi Mech
20:51 < Mech> lemme check
20:51 < Mech> hi jeru :-)
20:52 < jeru_> :)
20:52 < Mech> rxr: yeah - net-tools
20:57 < keinek> i was download de rock linux trunk.
20:57 < keinek> i was searching something for winex
20:57 < keinek> winex installer... is like a joke.
20:57 < keinek> :D
20:59 < valentin> how do i tell the build system to build another kernel than linux26 ?
21:00 < jeru_> rxr: should I set some optimization on the ref build ?
21:00 < rxr> valentin: use the normal package selection to not bulid linux26 on your sh ?
21:00 < rxr> jeru_: I would ...
21:01 < valentin> where do you do it for architecture/powerpc ?
21:01 < rxr> not at all
21:01 < rxr> we buld all kernel there ...
21:01 < jeru_> rxr: should I optimize it for the platform I'll build on ?
21:01 < rxr> and linux26 is the best for powerpc anyway ..
21:01 < rxr> jeru_: I would do so
21:01 < rxr> I usuall build for pentium-mmx
21:02 < rxr> but you can of course your own
21:02 < jeru_> ok ... thank you :)
21:02 < rxr> I kind of hate fixinclude of gcc ...
21:03 < rxr> so - now i'm curious if my hacked up gcc builds itself ..
21:03 < rxr> oh - seems so ...
21:04 < keinek> ok guy we cant do a package of winex.
21:05 < valentin> very stupid question: how does manual package selection work inside scripts/Config ?
21:05 < keinek> but .... emerge just make it for us.
21:05 < rxr> keinek: hm ?
21:05 < rxr> valentin: O X - and package name ...
21:05 < rxr> so you throw this into it:
21:05 < rxr> O linux24
21:05 < rxr> O linux26
21:05 < keinek> rxr: is ilegal include winex in iso.
21:05 < valentin> but into which file ?
21:05 < keinek> rxr: but is legal compile from cvs
21:05 < rxr> keinek: you can do for your own one ...
21:06 < rxr> keinek: are you sure - what license is winex under ?
21:06 < jeru_> valentin: in the UI
21:06 < rxr> btw. we have support to mark packages to not go on CDs ...
21:06 < keinek> rxr, i just reading the conflic with debian.
21:06 < jeru_> manual package selection if you've start Config
21:06 < rxr> I somehow doubt that is allowed - winex is forked from wine - what lincese was that ?
21:06 < jeru_> but I think you've to enable expert mode
21:07 < rxr> the winex company can not restrict it more ...
21:07 < valentin> i just can put a '*' in manual package selection
21:07 < keinek> ok.
21:07 < rxr> valentin: ?
21:07 < keinek> rxr, thanks so... i will work in that.
21:07 < keinek> ;)
21:07 < valentin> then there is 'edit package selection rules'
21:08 < jeru_> valentin: click and -> add rule
21:08 < valentin> ah
21:08 < Mech> rxr: actually - they can restrict their additions to wine...
21:09 < rxr> well - not when they link it together ...
21:09 < Mech> rxr: and I seem to recall something about it not being redistributable too
21:09 < rxr> and when they base on the existing stuff - like editing the files ...
21:09 < Mech> rxr: Hmm - I think that would depend on static vs. dynamic linking ? IE if they created extra dll's - those could be restricted ?
21:09 < rxr> I read cross the debain debatte - to my understanding they only said "when you distribute it we will close the CVS and restrict it even more ..."
21:10 < rxr> keinek: what do you need winex for - doesn't vanilla wine work for your app ?
21:10 < rxr> e.g. I saw they also have better direct 3d code now ...
21:10 < keinek> rxr, i dont know, i just wanna play Grand Theft Auto :P
21:11 < rxr> I would test wine first ...
21:12 < Mech> rxr: debian creates 'installer' packages for a lot of stuff that can't be re-distributed... it automatically pulls the code at install time with wget or curl and installs it
21:12 < Mech> then they are not 'redistributing' the code
21:13 < rxr> well - our package can of couse do the same - see java ...
21:13 < rxr> just let the users Emerge it ...
21:13 < rxr> and they could burn in-house CDs noone ever sees ...
21:13 < keinek> rxr, YEAH!
21:13 < rxr> and the auto CD creation warns that there are packages that are not redistributable and asks "Whether to really really create the CD with them ..."
21:13 < keinek> ;)
21:13 < rxr> we already have this ...
21:14 < jeru_> keinek: do you have a steering whell for gaming GTA ?
21:14 < keinek> "Are you sure that create the cd with 95% of ilegal stuff? " (yes , SURE, SUPER, no)
21:14 < jeru_> wheel
21:14 < keinek> :D
21:15 < Mech> rxr: ahh - according to transgamings license "Pre-built packages of WineX contain components licensed from third parties, and may not be redistributed in whole for any reason."
21:15 < Mech> so maybe they added some commercial libs that can't be redistributed to winex ?
21:15 < keinek> so... the win32 codec is the same, dont you?
21:15 < valentin> hm
21:15 < valentin> why is my linux-sh about to be patched ?
21:15 < sepp_> its the licensed copy protection code of macrovision
21:15 < rxr> Mech: the prebuilt - and what about the code pulled from their CVS ?
21:16 < Mech> rxr: checking
21:16 < rxr> valentin: ?
21:16 < Mech> rxr: http://www.transgaming.com/license.php?source=1
21:16 < valentin> oh no - our build system :(
21:16 < Mech> they use the Aladdin Public License for a bunch of dll's..
21:16 < rxr> http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10182
21:17 < rxr> valentin: ?
21:17 < valentin> i renamed the downloaded package to linux-2.6.11-sh-patch-370.tar.bz2
21:17 < valentin> because sh-patch-370 is the version of the drop in tree
21:17 < valentin> and now guess what the system does ?
21:18 < rxr> no
21:18 < valentin> it untars the sources a second time and tries to pipe it into patch :(
21:18 < rxr> when on download or build time ?
21:18 < valentin> on build time
21:18 < valentin> guess that is the custom patch function ?
21:18 < rxr> is your code in SVN?`if no commit
21:18 < rxr> I want to take a look
21:18 < rxr> ah - yes! I know
21:18 < valentin> rxr: it is - just the package name
21:18 < Mech> rxr: hmm - transgaming basically tells you to check the CVS repo for the license applicable to specific modules
21:18 < rxr> that is the new auto patching done in the linux package ...
21:19 < valentin> yep
21:19 < valentin> matches everything with a patch in it ?
21:19 < rxr> valentin: ack
21:19 < valentin> grmhm ...
21:19 < rxr> valentin: either tweak that regex to not match tar
21:19 < rxr> or rename your file ...
21:19 < rxr> but maybe tweaking the regex is cooler ...
21:19 < valentin> yep :>
21:20 < rxr> somewhere in package/base/linux24/llinux-conf.in or so I ghink
21:20 < Mech> rxr: the aladin license basically lets you redistribute as long as you don't charge for it...
21:20 < rxr> think even
21:20 < Mech> god, I hate these convulted licenses
21:21 < Mech> rxr: looks like there are at least 3 licenses used in winex: gpl, aladin, and 'rewind license' (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/rewind/rewind/AUTHORS)
21:21 < rxr> wonderful
21:22 < valentin> var_insert patchfiles " " `match_source_file patch-.*.bz2`
21:23 < Mech> rxr: personally, I'd just go with vanilla wine, until someone has time/volunteers to talk to transgaming for clarification ??
21:23 < Mech> rxr: otherwise, you might need to audit each component of winex to check the license on that particular module ?
21:24 < rxr> http://www.roard.com/screenshots/screenshot_theme44.png
21:24 < valentin> rxr: how about '^patch-.*.bz2' ?
21:24 < rxr> wow a way more acceptable gnustep theme ...
21:24 < rxr> well - getting ^tar into the regex is not that easiy right ?
21:25 < valentin> i am not sure
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21:25 < rxr> I would like to be able to still have patch somewhere in the middle
21:25 < Mech> rxr: how's gnustep doing these days ? usable for day-to-day stuff ? usable for programming stuff ?
21:25 < valentin> ok, i rename the source file :)
21:25 < rxr> no idea - I just take a look because the latest version is so compatible with OS X Cocoa that you can build the whole native Emacs.app with it ...
21:25 < rxr> valentin: nope ...
21:26 < Mech> rxr: oh ? cool :-)
21:26 < rxr> yeah - at least interesting ,-)
21:27 < Mech> rxr: hmm - according to winex's sf.net project page - winex is NOT under an open source license
21:27 < valentin> rxr: why does that work at all ? currently it matches all patches for all kernel vers that are lying around in the dowload dir
21:27 < rxr> ?? no
21:28 < Mech> rxr: you know - winex could have bought a special license from the wine project. It's prefectly legal/acceptable to sell commercial use licenses of OSS projects, provided the original authors grant the licnese
21:28 < rxr> it matches the package's .desc...
21:28 < valentin> ah
21:28 < valentin> so all entries with a [D]
21:29 < rxr> patch-2.4.27-vrs1.bz2
21:29 < rxr> patch-2.4.27-vrs1-5mx2_ska_2.patch.txt
21:29 < rxr> patch-2.4.29-rc1.bz2
21:29 < rxr> patch-2.6.11.6.bz2
21:29 < rxr> patch-2.4.25-ben1-rxr.bz2
21:29 < rxr> linux-2.6.11-sh-patch-370.tar.bz2
21:29 < rxr> that is what we currently have
21:29 < rxr> well - ^patch would be ok ...
21:30 < valentin> ok - we can tweak that further once we have a .*patch-
21:30 < rxr> add a FIXME ...
21:31 < valentin> ok
21:33 < valentin> i hope the '^' works and does not break the real patches
21:33 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
21:33 < Minto> Moin
21:33 < Mech> Minto: Hi :-)
21:35 < rxr> '.*patch.*[^t][^a][r].*'
21:35 < rxr> seems to work
21:35 < Mech> Minto: after our conversation the other day, I took a quick look around a SDL/Framebuffer gui stuff..
21:35 < rxr> erh - forget it ...
21:35 < Minto> Yes
21:35 * rxr trying harder
21:35 < Mech> Minto: and I ran across http://www.widestudio.org/EE/index.html - I'd never heard of it , but it seems kinda neat
21:35 < Minto> I will have a look.
21:36 < Mech> Minto: supports like everything - including ITRON
21:37 < valentin> rxr: that [^t][^a][^r] thing will not work
21:37 < rxr> yeah - why not ?
21:38 < valentin> because patch.....tar.... matches this way:
21:39 < valentin> patch....[.][t][a]r....
21:39 < valentin> i do not know how to make that clear
21:39 < rxr> ok
21:40 < valentin> negating strings in regexps suck
21:40 < rxr> match_source_file as before with .*patch.* or so and pipe that into rgep again ...
21:40 < valentin> they could have easily implemented that
21:40 < rxr> | grep -v tar\.
21:40 < valentin> why not '^patch-' that is so easily :)
21:40 < rxr> | grep -v \. tar\.
21:40 < rxr> well - one day I add some fix-bla-bla.patch and it is not applied ...
21:41 < rxr> just adding | grep -v '\.tar\.' is also easy ...
21:41 < rxr> valentin: what do you mean with they could have easily implemented that?
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21:41 < rxr> what ?
21:41 < mnemoc> re
21:41 < valentin> something like abc\not(hallo)def
21:42 < valentin> negating a dfa is quite simple
21:42 < valentin> transforming a /expression/ into ! /expression/
21:42 < valentin> but no regexp system has it
21:43 < rxr> http://jesseross.com/clients/gnustep/ui/concepts/01/ui.png
21:43 < mnemoc> [13:34] [root@jaguar(pts/4)build]# rm -rf drop/
21:43 < mnemoc> [14:51] [root@jaguar(pts/4)build]#
21:43 < rxr> valentin: are you sure none has this - I still try to find out if there is a way to get that out of grep ...
21:44 < mnemoc> if ! grep -q 'expr' foo; then ?
21:45 < valentin> menmoc: telling regexp to match all strings not containing a given pattern
21:45 < valentin> yep - basicaly a grep -v
21:45 < Minto> Mech: It indeed seems kind of neat. But I think I stick to the e stuff for my purpose.
21:46 < Mech> Minto: ok - I was debating between something like widestudio (overkill?) and maybe a nano-x or paragui (http://www.paragui.org/)
21:47 < Minto> Mech: for what purpose?
21:47 < Mech> Minto: a 'lite' installer
21:48 < Mech> Minto: Anaconda is a pig - and requires X
21:48 < Mech> Minto: so I was thinking I might hack something out of an SDL toolkit and use the framebuffer
21:48 < Minto> Mech: Would a skinnable installer make any sense?
21:48 < Mech> Minto: yeah, actually it would
21:49 < Mech> Minto: a couple of the sdl gui toolkits support skinning/theming
21:49 < Minto> Then maybe due to edje the e libraries could be used for an installer.
21:50 < Minto> Mech: I don't know how the sdl skinning works.
21:50 < Mech> Minto: me neither - paragui uses XML configuration files, so I'm guessing it would fairly straight forward
21:51 < valentin> rxr: should i commit the '^patch' as a quick fix or insert the grep without testing ?
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21:51 < rxr> why can't you just inject the | grpe -v '\.tar\.' ?
21:51 < Mech> Mnto: the e libs could be cool - if there is a GUI lib to go with them ? I wanted something a lil higher level then graphic primatives
21:52 < valentin> rxr: i could - without testing
21:52 < rxr> well inject it ...
21:54 < valentin> if we are not completly dump it should work fine
21:54 < valentin> otherwise i could insert it into "the others"
21:54 < valentin> version management system
21:54 < valentin> and see if it passes the reference build
21:55 < valentin> ,)
21:55 < rxr> and get's te N needed votes ...
21:55 < rxr> where is N currently ? decreased to 1 ... ? *g*
21:57 < CIA-9> valentin * r8010 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux-conf.in: * altered kernel patch selection expression not to match files named *patch*.tar.bz2
21:57 < valentin> damn we are beyond r8000 ??
21:57 < valentin> did not notice that yet
21:58 < rxr> the other project is at 5748
21:59 < mnemoc> this has been a bad year on ROCK
21:59 < Minto> Mech: ecore? If I understand the e concept a bit they strive for complete separation of gui and application. This concept should make the skinning concept easier. However e has windows too. I am not sure if they use edje or if there is a special gui library. Ecore is the event handling layer. But to be sure you'd better ask on the e mailing list.
21:59 < valentin> but you cannot compare progress due to #revisions
22:00 < mnemoc> valentin: we can't compare quality, but we can compare process
22:01 < Minto> past r8000, you guys have been working hard this weekend.
22:01 < rxr> when was 7000 - last week ?
22:01 < mnemoc> if you consider life on ML and on submaster too you see activity is slow
22:02 < rxr> r7000 | amery | 2005-03-03 22:55:09 +0100 (Thu, 03 Mar 2005)
22:02 < mnemoc> # svn log -r7000 | less
22:02 < mnemoc> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
22:02 < mnemoc> r7000 | amery | 2005-03-03 18:55:09 -0300 (Thu, 03 Mar 2005) | 2 lines
22:02 < mnemoc> * updated crimson (0.4.2 -> 0.4.6)
22:02 < Mech> Minto: hmm - picogui has some nice themes (http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/972/?topic_id=972 ), runs everywhere, and has high level python bindings. I haven't looked at E in ages (e15?), I'll have to take a look. do you have a url for the ecore stuff - or is it just part of the regular e cvs ?
22:02 < jeru_> re
22:03 < jeru_> Hi Minto :)
22:04 < Minto> jeru_: Hee, eins zwei Polizie is auch dabei.
22:04 < Minto> s/Polizie/Polizei
22:04 < rxr> Mech: hey have a component overview on their homepage
22:04 < Minto> Mech: http://www.enlightenment.org/
22:04 < rxr> Mech: we have an up-to-data e17 as packages ...
22:04 < jeru_> Minto: april foolsday is over now ,)
22:04 < Mech> rxr Minto: thanks :-) Looking now :-)
22:05 * Minto is hiding
22:05 * jeru_ will find Minto
22:07 < mnemoc> find . -name Minto
22:07 < jeru_> hehe
22:07 < jeru_> mnemoc: btw, started athlon-xp ref build ;)
22:09 < Minto> rxr: How to best handle restricted tgz packages. IBM java (powerpc too) is available as .tgz. automatic extraction doesn't work (tries to extract tbz2). Should I do 'manual' extraction in postmake?
22:09 < rxr> isn't the file recompressed during download ?
22:10 < jeru_> Mech: btw, do you support SSL on your demo servers for management access?
22:10 < Minto> rxr: Nope is one of those manual downloads again.
22:10 < mnemoc> jeru_: with or without pkgsel?
22:10 < Mech> Minto: Hmm - sounds like I'd want 'ewl' - but thats still in dev...
22:10 < Mech> jeru_: not currently
22:10 < Minto> Mech: most of e17 is still in dev.
22:10 < rxr> Mech: e17 is basically work now ... - so it should be in a useable state ...
22:10 < jeru_> mnemoc: just selected ref build and athlon-xp optimization
22:10 < rxr> i'm typing here in e17 for some days now ...
22:11 < mnemoc> jeru_: :)
22:11 < Mech> jeru_: should be hard to do though - I front-end zope via squid, but others use 'pound' for SSL
22:11 < rxr> Minto: hm - bad - yeah - well - then you need some manual intervention ...
22:11 < jeru_> Mech: I use pound and have created a nice setup ... :)
22:11 < Mech> jeru_: /should/shouldn't/
22:11 < rxr> the buld system asumes everyting is recompressed bz2 ...
22:12 < mnemoc> rxr: will we handle .gpg on [D]s?
22:12 < Mech> jeru_: yeah - I hear good things about pound
22:12 < Minto> rxr: I guessed so. I will use a postmake hook then.
22:12 < Mech> jeru_: I think zope 2.7.3 supports https native now too
22:12 < jeru_> Mech: I wanted to run it without apache or squid
22:12 < Minto> rxr: I just wanted to be sure I didn't miss something.
22:12 < jeru_> Mech: really ?
22:12 < Mech> jeru_: yeah - it does lots of things now that I don't need :-P
22:13 < Mech> jeru_: but the new config files are VERY cool - multiple product directories, with multiple database backends ! :-)
22:13 < rxr> mnemoc: if handling .gpg is not too hazzling ...
22:13 < jeru_> Mech: but I don't trust that beast ... I like to run small software in front ,)
22:13 < Mech> jeru_: makes it really nice to adding/testing new products - just add a line to the config file :-)
22:14 < mnemoc> rxr: ok
22:14 < jeru_> Mech: yeah ... config option are really cool now :)
22:14 < Mech> jeru_: if it doesn't work, or you don't want it - just remove the line
22:14 < Mech> jeru: squid is really nice in front
22:14 < Mech> jeru_: gives you a nice performance boost
22:14 < Mech> jeru_: and squid stable has been around for years - its solid
22:15 < Mech> jeru_: plus it lets me add new virtual hosts without a restart (apache always wants a restart :-P )
22:15 < jeru_> Mech: how is the config overhead ?
22:16 < jeru_> Mech: never tried squid in front of zope
22:16 < Mech> jeru_: I use 'jesred' for squid - so the overhead for a new instance is simply adding 1 line regex to match the domain name to the jesred conf
22:16 < jeru_> Mech: sounds nice
22:16 < Mech> jeru_: no restarts, no complex 'stanza's etc etc - I have a script that automates it :-)
22:17 < Mech> jeru: plus you can get really nice stats from squid logs - everything reads squid logs :-)
22:17 < jeru_> Mech: how about ssl support with squid ?
22:17 < Mech> jeru_: not sure - haven't needed it...
22:18 < Mech> jeru_: though I'd be surprised if it doesn't support it
22:18 < jeru_> Mech: can you provide me a sample conf for a squid/zope setup ?
22:19 < Mech> jeru_: Plone.org has some good docs on using squid with plone - one thing you have to change - the 'stock' main template disables ALL caching, so you need to change that
22:19 < Mech> jeru_: Umm - lemme look
22:19 < Mech> jeru_: what do you want to see ? the squid conf ? (the zope side is 'stock' - just run each instance on a seperate port)
22:20 < jeru_> Mech: do I have to use a VHM config ?
22:20 < jeru_> Mech: a squid.conf would be nice ,)
22:20 < Mech> jeru_: I think so - but thats real easy...
22:21 < jeru_> Mech: yeah ... I know ... I like this VHM ,)
22:21 < Mech> jeru_: I actually have a 'skeleton' directory I just copy over for making new instances - has the maintemplate change, VHM, etc all setup
22:28 < keinek> rxr, is a big problem to create a package if I have to modify /usr/include/GL/glext.h so that function?
22:29 < rxr> ouhm
22:29 < rxr> how much ?
22:29 < keinek> only declares
22:29 < rxr> how much to modify ...
22:30 < rxr> hm - you need to patch x.org then ...
22:30 < keinek> http://www.userchannel.de/wissen/docs/WindowsSpieleUnterWineX
22:30 < keinek> look is in german
22:30 < keinek> winex still compile.
22:30 < keinek> but i modify that file.
22:30 < Mech> I'm up to package 'bdb' of my build - is there someplace I can look to see whats left to do after this ?
22:31 < rxr> Mech: excuse me - what do you wanna do ?
22:32 < Mech> rxr: Umm - I'm looking for a package list in compile order ? so I can see what packages are left to be compiled after package 'bdb'
22:32 < rxr> keinek: you mean the nvidia headers ?
22:33 < rxr> Mech: config/$your-cfg-id/packages
22:33 < rxr> or this
22:33 < rxr> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg $your-cfg-id
22:33 < rxr> will give you an overview
22:33 < keinek> i mean that file in my system.
22:34 < Mech> wow - bdb is only 3% of the way into the packages file - so 97% of the system still needs to be compiled ?? *eek*
22:34 * Mech makes note: celeron 400 not good for compiles :-P
22:34 < Minto> Ouch!
22:34 < rxr> Mech: but the packages list contains the unselected too
22:35 < rxr> you need top grep ^X' the file to get the list of enabled packages ...
22:35 < keinek> anybody that want winex is because has a nvidia, the developers recommend that board
22:35 < keinek> so i fix that file in my system, and nvidia continue compiling.
22:36 < Mech> rxr: that helped a lil - but still gonna take the rest of the day to compile I think
22:36 < rxr> keinek: my X.org file contains that defines - so it is only to modify your current in-system nvidia files
22:36 < Minto> rxr: is to possible for tgz files to live in download/local? Even when autoextract is turned of T2 still tries to find .tbz2
22:36 < Minto> s/to/it/
22:36 < rxr> Mech: well it is a Celeron 400 ...
22:36 < Mech> rxr: *sigh* True - poor thing is a tad overworked :-P
22:36 < keinek> ok... so... the problem is with the nvidia files.
22:37 < Mech> 256M prolly isn't helping any either
22:37 < rxr> Minto: ouhm - right I think the sanity download check is alsways don
22:37 < rxr> e
22:37 < Mech> once I get a little more confidence with T2 - I can move it over to the celeron 2.6GHz, 768M 'dev' box
22:37 < Minto> rxr: :-( What now?
22:37 < keinek> so is a good way to dificult have a package with winex
22:38 < Mech> anyway samba/webmin people about ?
22:38 < keinek> ok, thanks rxr
22:38 < Minto> rxr: Is it possible to turn the sanity check of for manual downloads? I still have to work on the Download script for the manual part.
22:38 < rxr> Minto: hm - ...
22:39 < rxr> it is done inside populate_archdir and that is run always ...
22:39 < rxr> Minto: well - play with it and think what should work out best ...
22:39 < rxr> I'll crawl into bed in some seconds ...
22:40 < Minto> Okay, but I try it maybe tomorrow. I am off to sleep now. gn8 all. rxr Sleep well.
22:40 < jeru_> good night rxr
22:40 < valentin> gn8 rxr
22:40 < Mech> rxr: g'nite :-)
22:40 < jeru_> n8 Minto
22:40 < rxr> Minto: you too
22:40 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.6/20050321]"]
22:40 * Mech goes to figure out what he broke in webmin's samba module
22:40 < sepp_> good night johnboy
22:41 < Mech> jeru_: gimme a holler if ya need me :-)
22:41 < jeru_> ack :)
22:51 < rxr> hm - or I watch a bad movie on tv ...
22:52 < rxr> valentin: what is your sh build doing ...
22:52 < rxr> and valentin: we want to send the solicited offer to the two cebit contacts some time tomorrow or so ?
22:56 < jeru_> rxr: what's the URL of the T2 svn activity graph ... have to bookmark it ...
22:58 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de
22:58 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/big.html
22:58 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/big.png
22:58 < rxr> even
22:59 < jeru_> ahhh ... thank you :)
23:06 < CIA-9> chris * r8011 /trunk/package/zope/cssmanager/ (. cssmanager.conf cssmanager.desc): * added CSSManager (0.4.1)
23:10 < rxr> mnemoc: just tasting your chilenian wine ,-)
23:10 < valentin> rxr:
23:11 < valentin> == 04/03/05 22:48:56 =[1]=> Aborted building package strace.
23:11 < valentin> mnemoc send the wine to you ?
23:11 < mnemoc> :)
23:12 < valentin> i don't need strace, do i ?
23:12 < valentin> bbl
23:12 < CIA-9> rene * r8012 /trunk/package/network/net-tools/net-tools.desc: * marked net-tools NOPARALLEL
23:12 < rxr> valentin: not yet ..
23:12 < rxr> mark it [R] - sh sh64
23:12 < rxr> for now
23:12 < jeru_> cu valentin
23:12 < rxr> it if has no sh support yet
23:12 < valentin> ok
23:15 < CIA-9> valentin * r8013 /trunk/package/base/strace/strace.desc: * disabled strace for sh and sh64
23:15 < valentin> cu a bit later
23:15 < mnemoc> me too... /me to supermarket
23:17 < rxr> valentin: nope - got the wine @ aldi some weeks ago ...
23:18 < rxr> or better some months ago ...
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23:46 < rxr> http://emacs-on-aqua.sourceforge.net/gnustep.png
23:46 < valentin> re
23:47 < rxr> ^- cool - valentin - this way we get to a modern anti-alising emacs !!!
23:47 < rxr> I try to package that tomorrow ,-)
23:51 < valentin> rxr: strace told me
23:51 < valentin> configure: error: architecture sh4 is not supported by strace
23:51 < valentin> but there is a sh and a sh64 subdir
23:51 < valentin> is sh4 the correct architecure ?
23:53 < jeru_> rxr: will a refbuild produce installable packages too ?
23:53 < rxr> of course
23:53 < rxr> it is a normal build - just preparing some additional stuff
23:53 < jeru_> :)
23:53 < rxr> valentin: oh
23:54 < rxr> valentin: the definition depends from package to package ...
23:54 < valentin> is there an easy way to .conf around ?
23:55 < rxr> well sed it ..
23:56 < rxr> sed s/sh[^6]/sh/
23:59 < rxr> arch_machine that is. ..
23:59 < rxr> err no arch_target
23:59 < valentin> ok
--- Log closed Mon Apr 04 00:00:22 2005
19:03 < jeru_> mnemoc: snort failed on your ref build because there was no aclocal found ?
19:03 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - please restart - and without --as-needed
19:03 < mnemoc> jeru_: weird
19:03 < jeru_> yep
19:03 < mnemoc> rxr: just svn up or i need to revert something?
19:03 < rxr> svn up ...
19:04 < rxr> and realy start a fresh one ... Cleanup -ful
19:04 < rxr> l
19:04 < mnemoc> Cleanup -full in progress
19:04 < rxr> cool
19:04 < rxr> we need to look into the .cache files - and further make the perfect
19:04 < jeru_> damn ... in Stuttgart somebody had done a massacre in a church using a samurai sword
19:04 < rxr> I did 2 tweaks today ...
19:05 < mnemoc> jeru_: how many?
19:05 < jeru_> they didn't tell
19:06 < jeru_> the just said it was a kind of blood bath
19:06 < CIA-9> amery * r7996 /trunk/package/archiver/dpkg/dpkg.desc: * updated dpkg (1.10.26 -> 1.10.27)
19:06 < mnemoc> jeru_: :(
19:06 < mnemoc> rxr: subversion and swig?
19:06 < rxr> I only updated subversion
19:07 < rxr> I have no intention to mess with swig - I had enough gnome yesterday and toda
19:07 < rxr> y
19:07 < CIA-9> amery * r7997 /trunk/package/develop/gwenhywfar/gwenhywfar.desc: * updated gwenhywfar (1.8.0 -> 1.10.0)
19:07 < rxr> damn - we miss the IRC logs of the last days ...
19:07 < keinek> hey guy
19:07 < keinek> http://ting.homeunix.org/
19:07 < keinek> look that
19:07 < rxr> can anyone send me
19:08 < rxr> t2-2005-03-31
19:08 < CIA-9> amery * r7998 /trunk/package/games/scummvm/scummvm.desc: * updated scummvm (0.7.0 -> 0.7.1)
19:08 < rxr> up to inlcuding:
19:08 < keinek> O.o
19:08 < rxr> t2-2005-04-03
19:08 < rxr> ?
19:08 < mnemoc> rxr: i can me remember the timezone
19:08 < mnemoc> i can but remember the timezone
19:08 < rxr> ouhm
19:08 < CIA-9> amery * r7999 /trunk/package/gnome2/gdesklets/ (gdesklets.cache gdesklets.conf gdesklets.desc): * updated gdesklets (0.34.1 -> 0.34.3)
19:10 < rxr> mnemoc: do you schedule epiphany 1.6.1 ?
19:10 < CIA-9> amery * r8000 /trunk/package/mail/postfix/postfix.desc: * updated postfix (2.2.1 -> 2.2.2)
19:11 < CIA-9> amery * r8001 /trunk/package/network/asterisk/asterisk.desc: * updated asterisk (1.0.6 -> 1.0.7)
19:11 < mnemoc> rxr: downloading
19:11 < CIA-9> amery * r8002 /trunk/package/network/stunnel/stunnel.desc: * updated stunnel (4.07 -> 4.09)
19:12 < CIA-9> chris * r8003 /trunk/package/develop/cheetah/ (. cheetah.desc): * added cheetah (0.9.16)
19:12 < rxr> mnemoc: good - we need to feed the graph ,-)
19:12 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/
19:12 < CIA-9> amery * r8004 /trunk/package/x11/gtkpod/gtkpod.desc: * updated gtkpod (0.88.1 -> 0.88.2)
19:13 < mnemoc> hehe
19:13 < mnemoc> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/ref/regressions.html#ask
19:13 < mnemoc> err... #ash
19:13 < mnemoc> and e17 stuff
19:14 < mnemoc> libgda and bogofilter died due to bdb update
19:15 < rxr> mnemoc: I often aw this ash thing happen sporadically - parallel make issue ...
19:15 < mnemoc> ok
19:15 < mnemoc> falgged as NOPARALLEL
19:17 < mnemoc> jeru_: for {nss,pam}_ldap, all using /etc/ldap, or /etc/opt/openldap/ldap.conf or as debian does /etc/lib{nss,pam}_ldap.conf ?
19:18 < jeru_> one moment ... phoning with my mom
19:20 < mnemoc> what does she think about?
19:20 < jeru_> hehe
19:20 < jeru_> re
19:21 < jeru_> I would like to use etc/opt/openldap/ldap.conf
19:21 < jeru_> what do you think?
19:22 < mnemoc> ack
19:22 < jeru_> :)
19:23 < jeru_> mnemoc: shouldn't ROCKCFG_PKG_OPENLDAP_JUSTLIBS -> ROCKCFG_PKG_OPENLDAP_CLIENTONLY ?
19:23 < mnemoc> sounds good
19:23 < jeru_> should I change it ?
19:24 < mnemoc> i think, rxr?
19:24 < mnemoc> in fact, JUSTLIBS has invented by me :p
19:24 < rxr> you are the openldap guys ...
19:25 < jeru_> hehe :)
19:25 < mnemoc> so change it :)
19:25 < jeru_> I've also done some small "beautifications" to openldap's config.in and added a config.hlp
19:25 < jeru_> committing it now
19:25 < mnemoc> ok
19:29 < mnemoc> rxr: will you include flac (ML) on this reference?
19:30 < CIA-9> chris * r8005 /trunk/package/network/openldap/ (config.hlp config.in):
19:30 < CIA-9> * changed MENU_LDAP -> MENU_PKG_OPENLDAP
19:30 < CIA-9> * changed config menu entry LDAP -> OPENLDAP Package Options
19:30 < CIA-9> * added config.hlp
19:31 < rxr> mnemoc: do you apply it ?
19:31 < rxr> loks good btw.
19:31 < mnemoc> i can't push stuff to my build machine from here
19:31 < rxr> ok - I take it
19:32 < CIA-9> chris * r8006 /trunk/package/network/openldap/config.hlp: * added Copyright Note <- forgotten in previvous commit
19:34 < CIA-9> rene * r8007 /trunk/package/audio/flac/init.patch:
19:34 < CIA-9> Sebastian Czech:
19:34 < CIA-9> * fixed flac xmms plugin
19:35 < mnemoc> reference build started
19:37 < CIA-9> chris * r8008 /trunk/package/security/prewikka/ (. prewikka.conf prewikka.desc): * added prewikka package (0.9.0-rc3)
19:37 < mnemoc> ok ... svn up
19:37 < jeru_> mnemoc: sorry
19:37 < jeru_> :)
19:37 < valentin> re
19:37 < mnemoc> i need a day to get there :)
19:37 < mnemoc> hi valentin
19:38 < valentin> hi mnemoc
19:38 < valentin> rxr: no different error but it just compiled
19:39 < valentin> rxr: maybe the error was due to some paralell make stuff ?
19:42 < jeru_> mnemoc: btw, do you'll killme if I change $ROCKCFG_PKG_OPENLDAP_JUSTLIBS -> $ROCKCFG_PKG_OPENLDAP_CLIENTONLY now ? ,)
19:43 < mnemoc> no problem
19:43 < jeru_> ok ..
19:43 < mnemoc> it's 0 by default
19:43 < mnemoc> so it change nothing on my ref
19:48 < rxr> http://www.pcstats.com/index1.html
19:49 < rxr> ^- hoe a motherboard (at Gigabyte is soldered together ...
19:51 < mnemoc> ccache considered harmfull for rm -rf
19:51 < rxr> ?
19:52 < rxr> due to so many filse in the chache dirs ?
19:52 < CIA-9> chris * r8009 /trunk/package/ (5 files in 3 dirs): * changed $ROCKCFG_PKG_OPENLDAP_JUSTLIBS -> $ROCKCFG_PKG_OPENLDAP_CLIENTONLY
19:57 < mnemoc> rxr: yes
19:57 < rxr> lol
19:57 < rxr> do you rm -rf on ext2/3 ?
19:57 < mnemoc> reiser
19:58 < rxr> ah - well - although reiser should be faster on that - I also found it slow on my iBook ...
19:58 < rxr> I guess we do not want to see the performance on ext2/3 ...
19:58 < mnemoc> i had to mv build dir to be able to start the new build
19:59 < rxr> and continue rm in the background ?
19:59 < mnemoc> on a different tty, but is like the same
20:00 < mnemoc> in 10 minutes it has freeed 2% of the disk, and i have to wait 23% more
20:03 < jeru_> btw, how much disk spaces consumes a ref build ?
20:03 < mnemoc> 20G
20:03 < mnemoc> includig download and ccache
20:03 < jeru_> default ccache value ?
20:03 < mnemoc> yes
20:03 < jeru_> ok ...
20:04 < jeru_> should I start on too on Athlon XP3000+ ?
20:04 < mnemoc> why not? ;)
20:04 < rxr> where ccache is only about 2GB, right ?
20:05 < mnemoc> yes
20:05 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/ref/regressions.html <--- you can see my config and pkgsel there
20:05 < jeru_> hmmm ... perhaps it's a exclusive right of the release manager ? ,)
20:05 < mnemoc> export ROCKCFG_PKG_CCACHE_MAX='2500M'
20:05 < mnemoc> jeru_: there are no exclusive rights on T2
20:06 * jeru_ was just joking ...
20:06 < mnemoc> :)
20:06 < mnemoc> i commented 'for the records' :)
20:06 < jeru_> do I have to watch ot for sth. if I want to start a ref build ?
20:07 < rxr> yes - for build errors to fix ,-)
20:07 < jeru_> rxr: good joke :)
20:07 < mnemoc> build errors to fix will be published on regressions page :)
20:07 < mnemoc> every 30 minutes
20:08 * jeru_ is making tea now
20:08 * rxr hands jeru_ a cup
20:08 * mnemoc looks at his empty cup
20:08 * rxr and to mnemoc, too
20:09 < mnemoc> thanks! :=
20:09 < mnemoc> :)
20:10 < mnemoc> do we wnat support for .tar.{bz2,gz}.gpg on Download ?
20:11 < rxr> maddin: I could continue studing Communication Systems ,-)
20:11 < mnemoc> o_O
20:13 * maddin will have a tea, too
20:13 < jeru_> rxr: thank you
20:13 < maddin> rxr: where?
20:13 < rxr> I clicked thru the tfh site ...
20:15 < mnemoc> what "Communication Systems" means?
20:16 < rxr> mnemoc: that is already english ...
20:16 < rxr> well - math, IT basics, DSP and such ...
20:17 < rxr> I just take a look because I might get exmatriculated because I have not studied quickly enough and I was stupid enough to let some dead lines for some exams slip slighly ...
20:17 < rxr> I recooment to everyone not to manage s.th. simillar ...
20:18 < rxr> maybe it should not continue studing - it is just too boring ...
20:18 < mnemoc> degrees are god to get jobs, at least here
20:18 < rxr> well - I want to work on my own projects anyway ... so ...
20:18 < mnemoc> good*
20:19 < rxr> I do not wanna sit at Novel or so and code their stupid ideas ...
20:19 < maddin> rxr: It's from FB 7?
20:19 < rxr> http://www.tfh-berlin.de/studium/fbvii/co.htm
20:21 < valentin> http://latex-beamer.sourceforge.net/
20:22 < jeru_> mnemoc: can we have a postgresql clientonly too ?
20:23 < mnemoc> sure
20:23 < mnemoc> on a 3 values choice?
20:23 < jeru_> do have the configure option ?
20:23 < mnemoc> i guess not
20:24 < mnemoc> i hve to go to buy bus tickets for this month, bbl
20:24 < jeru_> already unpacked the src but no e.g --without-server or so
20:24 < jeru_> mnemoc: cu
20:24 < mnemoc> i was expecting that :(
20:24 < mnemoc> cu
20:25 < rxr> cu
20:25 < rxr> valentin: is that good ?
20:27 < valentin> lars says it is perfect
20:27 < rxr> aha
20:28 < rxr> can anything be perfect with latex ?
20:32 < valentin> perfect in this context means perfect for latex
20:32 < valentin> greetings from L&P
20:38 < rxr> greetings back ...
20:40 < jeru_> there are 20x more people on #postgresql but nobody seems to know a configure option for a client only build ... at least nobody answers :/
20:51 < Mech> rxr: that build is still running from last nite - I guess the noparallel fixed it
20:51 < rxr> which package was it?
20:51 < rxr> net-tools or so ?
20:51 < Mech> yeah - net-tools or net-libs I think
20:51 < jeru_> Hi Mech
20:51 < Mech> lemme check
20:51 < Mech> hi jeru :-)
20:52 < jeru_> :)
20:52 < Mech> rxr: yeah - net-tools
20:57 < keinek> i was download de rock linux trunk.
20:57 < keinek> i was searching something for winex
20:57 < keinek> winex installer... is like a joke.
20:57 < keinek> :D
20:59 < valentin> how do i tell the build system to build another kernel than linux26 ?
21:00 < jeru_> rxr: should I set some optimization on the ref build ?
21:00 < rxr> valentin: use the normal package selection to not bulid linux26 on your sh ?
21:00 < rxr> jeru_: I would ...
21:01 < valentin> where do you do it for architecture/powerpc ?
21:01 < rxr> not at all
21:01 < rxr> we buld all kernel there ...
21:01 < jeru_> rxr: should I optimize it for the platform I'll build on ?
21:01 < rxr> and linux26 is the best for powerpc anyway ..
21:01 < rxr> jeru_: I would do so
21:01 < rxr> I usuall build for pentium-mmx
21:02 < rxr> but you can of course your own
21:02 < jeru_> ok ... thank you :)
21:02 < rxr> I kind of hate fixinclude of gcc ...
21:03 < rxr> so - now i'm curious if my hacked up gcc builds itself ..
21:03 < rxr> oh - seems so ...
21:04 < keinek> ok guy we cant do a package of winex.
21:05 < valentin> very stupid question: how does manual package selection work inside scripts/Config ?
21:05 < keinek> but .... emerge just make it for us.
21:05 < rxr> keinek: hm ?
21:05 < rxr> valentin: O X - and package name ...
21:05 < rxr> so you throw this into it:
21:05 < rxr> O linux24
21:05 < rxr> O linux26
21:05 < keinek> rxr: is ilegal include winex in iso.
21:05 < valentin> but into which file ?
21:05 < keinek> rxr: but is legal compile from cvs
21:05 < rxr> keinek: you can do for your own one ...
21:06 < rxr> keinek: are you sure - what license is winex under ?
21:06 < jeru_> valentin: in the UI
21:06 < rxr> btw. we have support to mark packages to not go on CDs ...
21:06 < keinek> rxr, i just reading the conflic with debian.
21:06 < jeru_> manual package selection if you've start Config
21:06 < rxr> I somehow doubt that is allowed - winex is forked from wine - what lincese was that ?
21:06 < jeru_> but I think you've to enable expert mode
21:07 < rxr> the winex company can not restrict it more ...
21:07 < valentin> i just can put a '*' in manual package selection
21:07 < keinek> ok.
21:07 < rxr> valentin: ?
21:07 < keinek> rxr, thanks so... i will work in that.
21:07 < keinek> ;)
21:07 < valentin> then there is 'edit package selection rules'
21:08 < jeru_> valentin: click and -> add rule
21:08 < valentin> ah
21:08 < Mech> rxr: actually - they can restrict their additions to wine...
21:09 < rxr> well - not when they link it together ...
21:09 < Mech> rxr: and I seem to recall something about it not being redistributable too
21:09 < rxr> and when they base on the existing stuff - like editing the files ...
21:09 < Mech> rxr: Hmm - I think that would depend on static vs. dynamic linking ? IE if they created extra dll's - those could be restricted ?
21:09 < rxr> I read cross the debain debatte - to my understanding they only said "when you distribute it we will close the CVS and restrict it even more ..."
21:10 < rxr> keinek: what do you need winex for - doesn't vanilla wine work for your app ?
21:10 < rxr> e.g. I saw they also have better direct 3d code now ...
21:10 < keinek> rxr, i dont know, i just wanna play Grand Theft Auto :P
21:11 < rxr> I would test wine first ...
21:12 < Mech> rxr: debian creates 'installer' packages for a lot of stuff that can't be re-distributed... it automatically pulls the code at install time with wget or curl and installs it
21:12 < Mech> then they are not 'redistributing' the code
21:13 < rxr> well - our package can of couse do the same - see java ...
21:13 < rxr> just let the users Emerge it ...
21:13 < rxr> and they could burn in-house CDs noone ever sees ...
21:13 < keinek> rxr, YEAH!
21:13 < rxr> and the auto CD creation warns that there are packages that are not redistributable and asks "Whether to really really create the CD with them ..."
21:13 < keinek> ;)
21:13 < rxr> we already have this ...
21:14 < jeru_> keinek: do you have a steering whell for gaming GTA ?
21:14 < keinek> "Are you sure that create the cd with 95% of ilegal stuff? " (yes , SURE, SUPER, no)
21:14 < jeru_> wheel
21:14 < keinek> :D
21:15 < Mech> rxr: ahh - according to transgamings license "Pre-built packages of WineX contain components licensed from third parties, and may not be redistributed in whole for any reason."
21:15 < Mech> so maybe they added some commercial libs that can't be redistributed to winex ?
21:15 < keinek> so... the win32 codec is the same, dont you?
21:15 < valentin> hm
21:15 < valentin> why is my linux-sh about to be patched ?
21:15 < sepp_> its the licensed copy protection code of macrovision
21:15 < rxr> Mech: the prebuilt - and what about the code pulled from their CVS ?
21:16 < Mech> rxr: checking
21:16 < rxr> valentin: ?
21:16 < Mech> rxr: http://www.transgaming.com/license.php?source=1
21:16 < valentin> oh no - our build system :(
21:16 < Mech> they use the Aladdin Public License for a bunch of dll's..
21:16 < rxr> http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10182
21:17 < rxr> valentin: ?
21:17 < valentin> i renamed the downloaded package to linux-2.6.11-sh-patch-370.tar.bz2
21:17 < valentin> because sh-patch-370 is the version of the drop in tree
21:17 < valentin> and now guess what the system does ?
21:18 < rxr> no
21:18 < valentin> it untars the sources a second time and tries to pipe it into patch :(
21:18 < rxr> when on download or build time ?
21:18 < valentin> on build time
21:18 < valentin> guess that is the custom patch function ?
21:18 < rxr> is your code in SVN?`if no commit
21:18 < rxr> I want to take a look
21:18 < rxr> ah - yes! I know
21:18 < valentin> rxr: it is - just the package name
21:18 < Mech> rxr: hmm - transgaming basically tells you to check the CVS repo for the license applicable to specific modules
21:18 < rxr> that is the new auto patching done in the linux package ...
21:19 < valentin> yep
21:19 < valentin> matches everything with a patch in it ?
21:19 < rxr> valentin: ack
21:19 < valentin> grmhm ...
21:19 < rxr> valentin: either tweak that regex to not match tar
21:19 < rxr> or rename your file ...
21:19 < rxr> but maybe tweaking the regex is cooler ...
21:19 < valentin> yep :>
21:20 < rxr> somewhere in package/base/linux24/llinux-conf.in or so I ghink
21:20 < Mech> rxr: the aladin license basically lets you redistribute as long as you don't charge for it...
21:20 < rxr> think even
21:20 < Mech> god, I hate these convulted licenses
21:21 < Mech> rxr: looks like there are at least 3 licenses used in winex: gpl, aladin, and 'rewind license' (http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/rewind/rewind/AUTHORS)
21:21 < rxr> wonderful
21:22 < valentin> var_insert patchfiles " " `match_source_file patch-.*.bz2`
21:23 < Mech> rxr: personally, I'd just go with vanilla wine, until someone has time/volunteers to talk to transgaming for clarification ??
21:23 < Mech> rxr: otherwise, you might need to audit each component of winex to check the license on that particular module ?
21:24 < rxr> http://www.roard.com/screenshots/screenshot_theme44.png
21:24 < valentin> rxr: how about '^patch-.*.bz2' ?
21:24 < rxr> wow a way more acceptable gnustep theme ...
21:24 < rxr> well - getting ^tar into the regex is not that easiy right ?
21:25 < valentin> i am not sure
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21:25 < rxr> I would like to be able to still have patch somewhere in the middle
21:25 < Mech> rxr: how's gnustep doing these days ? usable for day-to-day stuff ? usable for programming stuff ?
21:25 < valentin> ok, i rename the source file :)
21:25 < rxr> no idea - I just take a look because the latest version is so compatible with OS X Cocoa that you can build the whole native Emacs.app with it ...
21:25 < rxr> valentin: nope ...
21:26 < Mech> rxr: oh ? cool :-)
21:26 < rxr> yeah - at least interesting ,-)
21:27 < Mech> rxr: hmm - according to winex's sf.net project page - winex is NOT under an open source license
21:27 < valentin> rxr: why does that work at all ? currently it matches all patches for all kernel vers that are lying around in the dowload dir
21:27 < rxr> ?? no
21:28 < Mech> rxr: you know - winex could have bought a special license from the wine project. It's prefectly legal/acceptable to sell commercial use licenses of OSS projects, provided the original authors grant the licnese
21:28 < rxr> it matches the package's .desc...
21:28 < valentin> ah
21:28 < valentin> so all entries with a [D]
21:29 < rxr> patch-2.4.27-vrs1.bz2
21:29 < rxr> patch-2.4.27-vrs1-5mx2_ska_2.patch.txt
21:29 < rxr> patch-2.4.29-rc1.bz2
21:29 < rxr> patch-2.6.11.6.bz2
21:29 < rxr> patch-2.4.25-ben1-rxr.bz2
21:29 < rxr> linux-2.6.11-sh-patch-370.tar.bz2
21:29 < rxr> that is what we currently have
21:29 < rxr> well - ^patch would be ok ...
21:30 < valentin> ok - we can tweak that further once we have a .*patch-
21:30 < rxr> add a FIXME ...
21:31 < valentin> ok
21:33 < valentin> i hope the '^' works and does not break the real patches
21:33 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
21:33 < Minto> Moin
21:33 < Mech> Minto: Hi :-)
21:35 < rxr> '.*patch.*[^t][^a][r].*'
21:35 < rxr> seems to work
21:35 < Mech> Minto: after our conversation the other day, I took a quick look around a SDL/Framebuffer gui stuff..
21:35 < rxr> erh - forget it ...
21:35 < Minto> Yes
21:35 * rxr trying harder
21:35 < Mech> Minto: and I ran across http://www.widestudio.org/EE/index.html - I'd never heard of it , but it seems kinda neat
21:35 < Minto> I will have a look.
21:36 < Mech> Minto: supports like everything - including ITRON
21:37 < valentin> rxr: that [^t][^a][^r] thing will not work
21:37 < rxr> yeah - why not ?
21:38 < valentin> because patch.....tar.... matches this way:
21:39 < valentin> patch....[.][t][a]r....
21:39 < valentin> i do not know how to make that clear
21:39 < rxr> ok
21:40 < valentin> negating strings in regexps suck
21:40 < rxr> match_source_file as before with .*patch.* or so and pipe that into rgep again ...
21:40 < valentin> they could have easily implemented that
21:40 < rxr> | grep -v tar\.
21:40 < valentin> why not '^patch-' that is so easily :)
21:40 < rxr> | grep -v \. tar\.
21:40 < rxr> well - one day I add some fix-bla-bla.patch and it is not applied ...
21:41 < rxr> just adding | grep -v '\.tar\.' is also easy ...
21:41 < rxr> valentin: what do you mean with they could have easily implemented that?
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21:41 < rxr> what ?
21:41 < mnemoc> re
21:41 < valentin> something like abc\not(hallo)def
21:42 < valentin> negating a dfa is quite simple
21:42 < valentin> transforming a /expression/ into ! /expression/
21:42 < valentin> but no regexp system has it
21:43 < rxr> http://jesseross.com/clients/gnustep/ui/concepts/01/ui.png
21:43 < mnemoc> [13:34] [root@jaguar(pts/4)build]# rm -rf drop/
21:43 < mnemoc> [14:51] [root@jaguar(pts/4)build]#
21:43 < rxr> valentin: are you sure none has this - I still try to find out if there is a way to get that out of grep ...
21:44 < mnemoc> if ! grep -q 'expr' foo; then ?
21:45 < valentin> menmoc: telling regexp to match all strings not containing a given pattern
21:45 < valentin> yep - basicaly a grep -v
21:45 < Minto> Mech: It indeed seems kind of neat. But I think I stick to the e stuff for my purpose.
21:46 < Mech> Minto: ok - I was debating between something like widestudio (overkill?) and maybe a nano-x or paragui (http://www.paragui.org/)
21:47 < Minto> Mech: for what purpose?
21:47 < Mech> Minto: a 'lite' installer
21:48 < Mech> Minto: Anaconda is a pig - and requires X
21:48 < Mech> Minto: so I was thinking I might hack something out of an SDL toolkit and use the framebuffer
21:48 < Minto> Mech: Would a skinnable installer make any sense?
21:48 < Mech> Minto: yeah, actually it would
21:49 < Mech> Minto: a couple of the sdl gui toolkits support skinning/theming
21:49 < Minto> Then maybe due to edje the e libraries could be used for an installer.
21:50 < Minto> Mech: I don't know how the sdl skinning works.
21:50 < Mech> Minto: me neither - paragui uses XML configuration files, so I'm guessing it would fairly straight forward
21:51 < valentin> rxr: should i commit the '^patch' as a quick fix or insert the grep without testing ?
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21:51 < rxr> why can't you just inject the | grpe -v '\.tar\.' ?
21:51 < Mech> Mnto: the e libs could be cool - if there is a GUI lib to go with them ? I wanted something a lil higher level then graphic primatives
21:52 < valentin> rxr: i could - without testing
21:52 < rxr> well inject it ...
21:54 < valentin> if we are not completly dump it should work fine
21:54 < valentin> otherwise i could insert it into "the others"
21:54 < valentin> version management system
21:54 < valentin> and see if it passes the reference build
21:55 < valentin> ,)
21:55 < rxr> and get's te N needed votes ...
21:55 < rxr> where is N currently ? decreased to 1 ... ? *g*
21:57 < CIA-9> valentin * r8010 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux-conf.in: * altered kernel patch selection expression not to match files named *patch*.tar.bz2
21:57 < valentin> damn we are beyond r8000 ??
21:57 < valentin> did not notice that yet
21:58 < rxr> the other project is at 5748
21:59 < mnemoc> this has been a bad year on ROCK
21:59 < Minto> Mech: ecore? If I understand the e concept a bit they strive for complete separation of gui and application. This concept should make the skinning concept easier. However e has windows too. I am not sure if they use edje or if there is a special gui library. Ecore is the event handling layer. But to be sure you'd better ask on the e mailing list.
21:59 < valentin> but you cannot compare progress due to #revisions
22:00 < mnemoc> valentin: we can't compare quality, but we can compare process
22:01 < Minto> past r8000, you guys have been working hard this weekend.
22:01 < rxr> when was 7000 - last week ?
22:01 < mnemoc> if you consider life on ML and on submaster too you see activity is slow
22:02 < rxr> r7000 | amery | 2005-03-03 22:55:09 +0100 (Thu, 03 Mar 2005)
22:02 < mnemoc> # svn log -r7000 | less
22:02 < mnemoc> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
22:02 < mnemoc> r7000 | amery | 2005-03-03 18:55:09 -0300 (Thu, 03 Mar 2005) | 2 lines
22:02 < mnemoc> * updated crimson (0.4.2 -> 0.4.6)
22:02 < Mech> Minto: hmm - picogui has some nice themes (http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/972/?topic_id=972 ), runs everywhere, and has high level python bindings. I haven't looked at E in ages (e15?), I'll have to take a look. do you have a url for the ecore stuff - or is it just part of the regular e cvs ?
22:02 < jeru_> re
22:03 < jeru_> Hi Minto :)
22:04 < Minto> jeru_: Hee, eins zwei Polizie is auch dabei.
22:04 < Minto> s/Polizie/Polizei
22:04 < rxr> Mech: hey have a component overview on their homepage
22:04 < Minto> Mech: http://www.enlightenment.org/
22:04 < rxr> Mech: we have an up-to-data e17 as packages ...
22:04 < jeru_> Minto: april foolsday is over now ,)
22:04 < Mech> rxr Minto: thanks :-) Looking now :-)
22:05 * Minto is hiding
22:05 * jeru_ will find Minto
22:07 < mnemoc> find . -name Minto
22:07 < jeru_> hehe
22:07 < jeru_> mnemoc: btw, started athlon-xp ref build ;)
22:09 < Minto> rxr: How to best handle restricted tgz packages. IBM java (powerpc too) is available as .tgz. automatic extraction doesn't work (tries to extract tbz2). Should I do 'manual' extraction in postmake?
22:09 < rxr> isn't the file recompressed during download ?
22:10 < jeru_> Mech: btw, do you support SSL on your demo servers for management access?
22:10 < Minto> rxr: Nope is one of those manual downloads again.
22:10 < mnemoc> jeru_: with or without pkgsel?
22:10 < Mech> Minto: Hmm - sounds like I'd want 'ewl' - but thats still in dev...
22:10 < Mech> jeru_: not currently
22:10 < Minto> Mech: most of e17 is still in dev.
22:10 < rxr> Mech: e17 is basically work now ... - so it should be in a useable state ...
22:10 < jeru_> mnemoc: just selected ref build and athlon-xp optimization
22:10 < rxr> i'm typing here in e17 for some days now ...
22:11 < mnemoc> jeru_: :)
22:11 < Mech> jeru_: should be hard to do though - I front-end zope via squid, but others use 'pound' for SSL
22:11 < rxr> Minto: hm - bad - yeah - well - then you need some manual intervention ...
22:11 < jeru_> Mech: I use pound and have created a nice setup ... :)
22:11 < Mech> jeru_: /should/shouldn't/
22:11 < rxr> the buld system asumes everyting is recompressed bz2 ...
22:12 < mnemoc> rxr: will we handle .gpg on [D]s?
22:12 < Mech> jeru_: yeah - I hear good things about pound
22:12 < Minto> rxr: I guessed so. I will use a postmake hook then.
22:12 < Mech> jeru_: I think zope 2.7.3 supports https native now too
22:12 < jeru_> Mech: I wanted to run it without apache or squid
22:12 < Minto> rxr: I just wanted to be sure I didn't miss something.
22:12 < jeru_> Mech: really ?
22:12 < Mech> jeru_: yeah - it does lots of things now that I don't need :-P
22:13 < Mech> jeru_: but the new config files are VERY cool - multiple product directories, with multiple database backends ! :-)
22:13 < rxr> mnemoc: if handling .gpg is not too hazzling ...
22:13 < jeru_> Mech: but I don't trust that beast ... I like to run small software in front ,)
22:13 < Mech> jeru_: makes it really nice to adding/testing new products - just add a line to the config file :-)
22:14 < mnemoc> rxr: ok
22:14 < jeru_> Mech: yeah ... config option are really cool now :)
22:14 < Mech> jeru_: if it doesn't work, or you don't want it - just remove the line
22:14 < Mech> jeru: squid is really nice in front
22:14 < Mech> jeru_: gives you a nice performance boost
22:14 < Mech> jeru_: and squid stable has been around for years - its solid
22:15 < Mech> jeru_: plus it lets me add new virtual hosts without a restart (apache always wants a restart :-P )
22:15 < jeru_> Mech: how is the config overhead ?
22:16 < jeru_> Mech: never tried squid in front of zope
22:16 < Mech> jeru_: I use 'jesred' for squid - so the overhead for a new instance is simply adding 1 line regex to match the domain name to the jesred conf
22:16 < jeru_> Mech: sounds nice
22:16 < Mech> jeru_: no restarts, no complex 'stanza's etc etc - I have a script that automates it :-)
22:17 < Mech> jeru: plus you can get really nice stats from squid logs - everything reads squid logs :-)
22:17 < jeru_> Mech: how about ssl support with squid ?
22:17 < Mech> jeru_: not sure - haven't needed it...
22:18 < Mech> jeru_: though I'd be surprised if it doesn't support it
22:18 < jeru_> Mech: can you provide me a sample conf for a squid/zope setup ?
22:19 < Mech> jeru_: Plone.org has some good docs on using squid with plone - one thing you have to change - the 'stock' main template disables ALL caching, so you need to change that
22:19 < Mech> jeru_: Umm - lemme look
22:19 < Mech> jeru_: what do you want to see ? the squid conf ? (the zope side is 'stock' - just run each instance on a seperate port)
22:20 < jeru_> Mech: do I have to use a VHM config ?
22:20 < jeru_> Mech: a squid.conf would be nice ,)
22:20 < Mech> jeru_: I think so - but thats real easy...
22:21 < jeru_> Mech: yeah ... I know ... I like this VHM ,)
22:21 < Mech> jeru_: I actually have a 'skeleton' directory I just copy over for making new instances - has the maintemplate change, VHM, etc all setup
22:28 < keinek> rxr, is a big problem to create a package if I have to modify /usr/include/GL/glext.h so that function?
22:29 < rxr> ouhm
22:29 < rxr> how much ?
22:29 < keinek> only declares
22:29 < rxr> how much to modify ...
22:30 < rxr> hm - you need to patch x.org then ...
22:30 < keinek> http://www.userchannel.de/wissen/docs/WindowsSpieleUnterWineX
22:30 < keinek> look is in german
22:30 < keinek> winex still compile.
22:30 < keinek> but i modify that file.
22:30 < Mech> I'm up to package 'bdb' of my build - is there someplace I can look to see whats left to do after this ?
22:31 < rxr> Mech: excuse me - what do you wanna do ?
22:32 < Mech> rxr: Umm - I'm looking for a package list in compile order ? so I can see what packages are left to be compiled after package 'bdb'
22:32 < rxr> keinek: you mean the nvidia headers ?
22:33 < rxr> Mech: config/$your-cfg-id/packages
22:33 < rxr> or this
22:33 < rxr> ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg $your-cfg-id
22:33 < rxr> will give you an overview
22:33 < keinek> i mean that file in my system.
22:34 < Mech> wow - bdb is only 3% of the way into the packages file - so 97% of the system still needs to be compiled ?? *eek*
22:34 * Mech makes note: celeron 400 not good for compiles :-P
22:34 < Minto> Ouch!
22:34 < rxr> Mech: but the packages list contains the unselected too
22:35 < rxr> you need top grep ^X' the file to get the list of enabled packages ...
22:35 < keinek> anybody that want winex is because has a nvidia, the developers recommend that board
22:35 < keinek> so i fix that file in my system, and nvidia continue compiling.
22:36 < Mech> rxr: that helped a lil - but still gonna take the rest of the day to compile I think
22:36 < rxr> keinek: my X.org file contains that defines - so it is only to modify your current in-system nvidia files
22:36 < Minto> rxr: is to possible for tgz files to live in download/local? Even when autoextract is turned of T2 still tries to find .tbz2
22:36 < Minto> s/to/it/
22:36 < rxr> Mech: well it is a Celeron 400 ...
22:36 < Mech> rxr: *sigh* True - poor thing is a tad overworked :-P
22:36 < keinek> ok... so... the problem is with the nvidia files.
22:37 < Mech> 256M prolly isn't helping any either
22:37 < rxr> Minto: ouhm - right I think the sanity download check is alsways don
22:37 < rxr> e
22:37 < Mech> once I get a little more confidence with T2 - I can move it over to the celeron 2.6GHz, 768M 'dev' box
22:37 < Minto> rxr: :-( What now?
22:37 < keinek> so is a good way to dificult have a package with winex
22:38 < Mech> anyway samba/webmin people about ?
22:38 < keinek> ok, thanks rxr
22:38 < Minto> rxr: Is it possible to turn the sanity check of for manual downloads? I still have to work on the Download script for the manual part.
22:38 < rxr> Minto: hm - ...
22:39 < rxr> it is done inside populate_archdir and that is run always ...
22:39 < rxr> Minto: well - play with it and think what should work out best ...
22:39 < rxr> I'll crawl into bed in some seconds ...
22:40 < Minto> Okay, but I try it maybe tomorrow. I am off to sleep now. gn8 all. rxr Sleep well.
22:40 < jeru_> good night rxr
22:40 < valentin> gn8 rxr
22:40 < Mech> rxr: g'nite :-)
22:40 < jeru_> n8 Minto
22:40 < rxr> Minto: you too
22:40 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.66 [Mozilla rv:1.7.6/20050321]"]
22:40 * Mech goes to figure out what he broke in webmin's samba module
22:40 < sepp_> good night johnboy
22:41 < Mech> jeru_: gimme a holler if ya need me :-)
22:41 < jeru_> ack :)
22:51 < rxr> hm - or I watch a bad movie on tv ...
22:52 < rxr> valentin: what is your sh build doing ...
22:52 < rxr> and valentin: we want to send the solicited offer to the two cebit contacts some time tomorrow or so ?
22:56 < jeru_> rxr: what's the URL of the T2 svn activity graph ... have to bookmark it ...
22:58 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de
22:58 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/big.html
22:58 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/big.png
22:58 < rxr> even
22:59 < jeru_> ahhh ... thank you :)
23:06 < CIA-9> chris * r8011 /trunk/package/zope/cssmanager/ (. cssmanager.conf cssmanager.desc): * added CSSManager (0.4.1)
23:10 < rxr> mnemoc: just tasting your chilenian wine ,-)
23:10 < valentin> rxr:
23:11 < valentin> == 04/03/05 22:48:56 =[1]=> Aborted building package strace.
23:11 < valentin> mnemoc send the wine to you ?
23:11 < mnemoc> :)
23:12 < valentin> i don't need strace, do i ?
23:12 < valentin> bbl
23:12 < CIA-9> rene * r8012 /trunk/package/network/net-tools/net-tools.desc: * marked net-tools NOPARALLEL
23:12 < rxr> valentin: not yet ..
23:12 < rxr> mark it [R] - sh sh64
23:12 < rxr> for now
23:12 < jeru_> cu valentin
23:12 < rxr> it if has no sh support yet
23:12 < valentin> ok
23:15 < CIA-9> valentin * r8013 /trunk/package/base/strace/strace.desc: * disabled strace for sh and sh64
23:15 < valentin> cu a bit later
23:15 < mnemoc> me too... /me to supermarket
23:17 < rxr> valentin: nope - got the wine @ aldi some weeks ago ...
23:18 < rxr> or better some months ago ...
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23:46 < rxr> http://emacs-on-aqua.sourceforge.net/gnustep.png
23:46 < valentin> re
23:47 < rxr> ^- cool - valentin - this way we get to a modern anti-alising emacs !!!
23:47 < rxr> I try to package that tomorrow ,-)
23:51 < valentin> rxr: strace told me
23:51 < valentin> configure: error: architecture sh4 is not supported by strace
23:51 < valentin> but there is a sh and a sh64 subdir
23:51 < valentin> is sh4 the correct architecure ?
23:53 < jeru_> rxr: will a refbuild produce installable packages too ?
23:53 < rxr> of course
23:53 < rxr> it is a normal build - just preparing some additional stuff
23:53 < jeru_> :)
23:53 < rxr> valentin: oh
23:54 < rxr> valentin: the definition depends from package to package ...
23:54 < valentin> is there an easy way to .conf around ?
23:55 < rxr> well sed it ..
23:56 < rxr> sed s/sh[^6]/sh/
23:59 < rxr> arch_machine that is. ..
23:59 < rxr> err no arch_target
23:59 < valentin> ok
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