T2 IRC Log: 2005-04-07

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--- Log opened Thu Apr 07 00:00:03 2005
00:01 < jeru_> Mech: what do you want to do with anaconda?
00:03 < Mech> jeru_: I have to build an installer for a mailerserver + spamassasssin box...
00:03 < Mech> problem is, it needs a custom screen in the anaconda installer to prompt for MSSql connection data
00:03 < Mech> nothing fancy - just a few text strings to enter IP, password, etc.
00:03 < Mech> but I've heard adding new screens to anaconda can be a royal pain ?
00:06 * Mech will also have to wipe out his T2 installation to install FC3 :-(
00:08 < _Ragnar_> why fc?
00:10 < Mech> thats what the box is based on - just figured it would be easier to have a 'native' fc install to do the work on
00:11 < _Ragnar_> ah
00:40 < Mech> jeru_: Have you done anaconda stuff ?
00:46 < jeru_> Mech: nope, sorry
00:48 < Mech> ah dang
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00:55 < keinek> hi
00:55 < keinek> :)
00:56 * jeru_ is going to sleep now ... cu
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03:49 < mnemoc_> re
03:51 < mnemoc_> rxr: i disagree your stage changes on 99-final
03:52 < mnemoc_> rxr: the first purpose of 99-final is to cross compile stuff like linuxrc, etc...
03:52 < mnemoc_> rxr: so having 99-final on stage 5 only makes it _useless_
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09:01 < rxr> mnemoc_: then readd 1 ...
09:01 < rxr> moin
09:26 < CIA-9> rene * r8076 /trunk/package/ (develop/gcl/gcl.conf scientific/maxima/maxima.conf):
09:26 < CIA-9> Sebastian Czech:
09:26 < CIA-9> * enabled ANSI mode in gcl
09:26 < CIA-9> * changed maxima to utilize gcl (instead of the borken to build clisp)
10:04 < sepp_> moin rxr
10:18 -!- jeru_ [~jeru@p54BFD1C6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
10:18 < jeru_> moin
10:18 < sepp_> moin
10:32 < rxr> moin sepp_ and jeru_
10:32 < jeru_> Hi rxr
11:06 -!- Minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
11:06 < Minto> moi
11:06 < jeru_> moin minto
11:07 < Minto> hi jeru_
11:12 < rxr> moin Minto
11:12 < Minto> hi rxr
11:15 < jeru_> does anybody know this nice OS Hardware Project ? It looks quite interesting especially useful in areas without any infrastructure ;) -> http://ronja.twibright.com/
11:16 < jeru_> due to the website the pure hardware costs are about 50 Euro
11:17 < valentin> mmoin
11:17 < jeru_> moin valentin
11:18 < valentin> i cannot believe its 50 Euro
11:18 < valentin> perhaps for industrial production
11:18 < valentin> but not for building it once
11:18 < jeru_> valentin: just the parts
11:19 < jeru_> of course the price for building it isn't included
11:19 < valentin> too bad it only works in a straight line of sight (and only when the weather is good ?)
11:21 < jeru_> yeah ... you should have a line of site, but there are just minimal to no complications regarding weather
11:21 < valentin> i guess you will get trouble if you mount it on your roof
11:22 < jeru_> why ?
11:22 < valentin> because intelligence might misstake it for a rocket launcher
11:22 < jeru_> hehe :D
11:22 < valentin> have you ever seen theese laser guided air defence systems they have on tanks ?
11:23 < jeru_> you can write e.g. "this is no rocket launcher" on it that they will see via satelite ;)
11:23 < valentin> hehe
11:24 < jeru_> I just thought, that it could be useful for my friend in cameroon
11:24 < valentin> btw: friends of mine had access to some high resulition satelite bitmaps
11:24 < valentin> they were infrared, but i was amazed what details you could see on it
11:25 < jeru_> valentin: intelligence ? ;)
11:25 < valentin> no, "landschaftsarchitekten buero"
11:25 < jeru_> ahh I see
11:27 < valentin> you could even distinguish children from grown ups
11:27 < valentin> see bikers etc
11:28 < valentin> but they only had a few 100 pictures - mostly outskirts of berlin
11:29 < jeru_> a collegue said, that this is not possible, and we had a lot discussions about the quality of satelite images ...
11:30 < valentin> i did not belive before, but you even could see people on bikes, where the frame of the bike was still visible
11:31 < valentin> (as a line of pixels)
11:31 < valentin> i do not belive you get this sharpness with optical photos
11:31 < valentin> think infrared gives much more information
11:32 < jeru_> so you can imagine what's possible with the "non public accessable satelites"
11:32 < valentin> i can ask him if he has some pictures left (so i can cut and paste a small part somewhere)
11:32 < valentin> but i guess they will be copyrighted so i only may cite a very small part
11:33 < jeru_> yeah ... but it would be nice to see ;)
11:34 < valentin> i only had them, because they needed to transform all the images to a much lower resolution for their CAD tool
11:34 < valentin> and transforming a 100 pictures manualy is stupid work
11:34 < sepp_> in chile, atacama desert they project a laser beam to the atmosphere to calculate and correct pictures, i guess it also work from a satellite
11:36 < valentin> military institiutions have enough money to build almost everything possible
11:37 < valentin> as far as i know those infrared pictures are taken with high frequency and then "sharpened" by correlating many pictures
11:38 < valentin> so they just "calculate" some thermic noise away
11:38 < sepp_> yes
11:42 < valentin> jeru: birds may be a bad thing for Ronja
11:43 < rxr> moin
11:44 < rxr> interesting ronja prohject you found there
11:44 < jeru_> rxr: ack :)
11:46 < rxr> I read about altorithms to use such gray or infrared data as base to sharpen color data
11:46 < rxr> or better color high res IR / gray data using low res color input ...
11:48 < rxr> valentin: do you still have those pics ?
11:55 < valentin> no, lars had them on a DVD
11:55 < valentin> a self made DVD (not an official one)
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12:25 < Minto> rxr: How do I create a package without source tarballs. I want to do some alternative system testing. I create a small test command in the .conf file. But it seems T2 can't handle it. I get:
12:25 < Minto> !> ==[build_this_package:710 (last $?=0)> xsourceballs=
12:25 < Minto> !> ==[build_this_package:711 (last $?=0)> '[' -z '' ']'
12:26 < Minto> !> ==[build_this_package:712 (last $?=0)> echo 'Can'\''t au ..
12:26 < Minto> !> Can't auto-detect srctar for package 'alt1'!
12:26 < Minto> !> ==[build_this_package:713 (last $?=0)> false
12:26 < Minto> !> Due to previous errors, no 9-alt1.log file!
12:26 < Minto> !> (Try enabling xtrace in the config to track an error ins ..
12:26 < Minto> It there some flag I can turnof in the .conf file?
12:26 < Minto> s/It/Is
12:28 < rxr> autoextract=0
12:28 < rxr> IIRC
12:30 < Minto> I already have that one. It's not enough.
12:31 < Minto> I have:
12:31 < Minto> autoextract=0
12:31 < Minto> autopatch=0
12:31 < Minto> chownsrcdir=0
12:31 < Minto> nocvsinsrcdir=0
12:31 < Minto> makeopt=''
12:31 < Minto> makeinstopt=''
12:31 < rxr> Minto: poste the full .conf ,-)
12:32 < Minto> autoextract=0
12:32 < Minto> autopatch=0
12:32 < Minto> chownsrcdir=0
12:32 < Minto> nocvsinsrcdir=0
12:33 < Minto> makeopt=''
12:33 < Minto> makeinstopt=''
12:33 < Minto> prefix=opt/alt1/
12:33 < Minto> set_confopt
12:33 < Minto> command_name=alt1
12:33 < Minto> if ! pkginstalled alternatives; then
12:33 < Minto> abort "Alternatives is required."
12:33 < Minto> fi
12:33 < Minto> alt_conf_dir=$(pkgprefix sysconfdir alternatives)/alternatives/package.d/
12:33 < Minto> # Custom installation.
12:33 < Minto> alt_postmake() {
12:33 < Minto> # Create the alt1 command.
12:33 < Minto> echo $root/$prefix/$bindir/$command_name
12:33 < Minto> # cat > $root/$prefix/$bindir/$command_name < 12:33 < Minto> # #!/bin/sh
12:33 < Minto> # echo "variant 1"
12:33 < Minto> # EOF
12:33 < Minto> # make the command executable.
12:33 < Minto> # chmod 755 $root/$prefix/$bindir/$command_name
12:33 < Minto> # Tell alternative system about this alternative.
12:33 < Minto> # cat >$alt_conf_dir/$command_name< 12:33 < Minto> #
12:33 < Minto> #
12:33 < Minto> #
12:33 < Minto> #
12:33 < Minto> #

12:33 < Minto> # EOF
12:33 < Minto> # alternatives-install $command_name
12:33 < Minto> }
12:33 < Minto> hook_add postmake 5 alt_postmake
12:33 < Minto> There was a syntax error somewhere, so I commented most of it out.
12:44 < rxr> autopatch makeopt makeinstopt should be enough
12:45 * rxr busy right now - sorry
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12:53 < rxr> valentin: ?
12:55 < valentin> jup
12:55 < valentin> was phoning
12:56 < valentin> what was the syntax error ?
12:57 < rxr> valentin: should we phone again ?
12:57 < valentin> if you have the time
12:58 < rxr> not really
12:58 < rxr> but I??m
12:58 < rxr> curious
13:02 < Minto> valentin: I don't think the syntax error is interesting. If it is solved I will run into the same problem as above.
13:02 < Minto> == 12:08:36 =[9]=> Building minto/alt1 [0.1 2.1.0-rc1].
13:02 < Minto> !> The package build aborted with the following config error:
13:02 < Minto> !> alt1: package/minto/alt1/alt1.conf: line 56: syntax erro ..
13:02 < Minto> !> Disable the 'Paranoia Check' config option to ignore suc ..
13:02 < Minto> == 04/07/05 12:08:36 =[9]=> Aborted building package alt1.
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13:08 < Minto> hi sparc-kly
13:09 < sparc-kly> hi Minto :P
13:10 < Minto> does sparc stand for sun-sparc?
13:13 < sparc-kly> for t2? i understand your question .
13:13 < sparc-kly> dont*
13:15 < sparc-kly> my english is very bad the question is that if all sparc is of Sun
13:23 < valentin> Minto: can you paste your error without the '..' ?
13:28 < rxr> cu
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13:41 < jeru_> re hi
13:49 < Minto> valentin: In what log can I find the full error?
13:49 < jeru_> Minto: what do you mean with full error ?
13:49 < jeru_> while building a package ?
13:50 < Minto> sparc-kly: Is sparc in your name -> T2 sparc architecture.
13:50 < Minto> jeru_: For testing purposes (alternative system) I want to build a package with no source tarballs.
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14:24 < valentin> Minto: src.-/ERROR.LOG ?
14:25 < jeru_> but this seems to be the same as pkg.err
14:33 < Minto> Sorry, I was out for a few minutes.
14:33 < Minto> Valentine: there is no src. blabla when I have the syntax error.
14:35 < Minto> When I don't have the syntax error I get:
14:35 < Minto> .. snip ..
14:35 < Minto> ==[build_this_package:705 (last $?=0)> '[' . == . ']'
14:35 < Minto> ==[build_this_package:708 (last $?=0)> '[' auto = auto ']'
14:35 < Minto> ===[build_this_package:1 (last $?=0)> echo ''
14:35 < Minto> ===[build_this_package:1 (last $?=0)> head -n 1
14:35 < Minto> ===[build_this_package:1 (last $?=0)> tr ' ' '\t'
14:35 < Minto> ===[build_this_package:1 (last $?=0)> tr -s '\t'
14:35 < Minto> ===[build_this_package:1 (last $?=0)> cut -f2
14:35 < Minto> ===[build_this_package:1 (last $?=0)> bz2filename
14:35 < Minto> ===[bz2filename:42 (last $?=0)> local 'pattern=-e s,\.\(t\?\)\(gz\|Z\)$,.\1bz2,'
14:35 < Minto> ===[bz2filename:43 (last $?=0)> '[' -n '' ']'
14:35 < Minto> ===[bz2filename:46 (last $?=1)> sed -e 's,\.\(t\?\)\(gz\|Z\)$,.\1bz2,'
14:35 < Minto> ==[build_this_package:710 (last $?=0)> xsourceballs=
14:35 < Minto> ==[build_this_package:711 (last $?=0)> '[' -z '' ']'
14:35 < Minto> ==[build_this_package:712 (last $?=0)> echo 'Can'\''t auto-detect srctar for pac
14:35 < Minto> kage '\''alt1'\''!'
14:35 < Minto> Can't auto-detect srctar for package 'alt1'!
14:35 < Minto> ==[build_this_package:713 (last $?=0)> false
14:35 < Minto> Due to previous errors, no 9-alt1.log file!
14:35 < Minto> (Try enabling xtrace in the config to track an error inside the build system.)
14:35 < Minto> --- BUILD ERROR ---
14:35 < Minto> In the ERROR_LOG
14:36 < Minto> What is this auto thing ( auto == auto ). Can I turn is off?
14:43 < valentin> re
14:44 < valentin> i think "auto" is exactly what it says: this srctar detection
14:44 < valentin> i have to reboot into my T2 to take a look what the script does
14:46 < Minto> valentin: How do I turn auto off?
14:46 < Minto> can I do something like auto=0 ?
14:46 < valentin> maybe - take a look into build_this_package function where auto "comes from"
14:47 < valentin> i.e is it initialized somewhere or is it "just there" ?
14:49 < Minto> Ahh,
14:49 < Minto> if [ $srctar = auto ] ; then bla bla
14:49 < Minto> So I can do srctar=off?
14:50 < Minto> thanks, that was it. Setting srctar=none works.
14:51 * Minto his sone wants a hug
14:55 < valentin> give him one :)
14:57 < Minto> valentin: I did, I even did a little walz.
14:57 < Minto> :-)
14:59 < Minto> My son is just past 18 months, these little beings are truly miraculous (but very naughty).
14:59 < valentin> i await my own child
14:59 < Minto> When is yours expected to arrive.
14:59 < Minto> Is it your first?
15:03 < valentin> yes our first. end of july
15:05 < Minto> :-D NO sleep for you in August.
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15:08 < Minto__> See, I told you so. they are naughty. He just unplugged my network cable.
15:09 -!- Minto__ is now known as minto
15:13 < jeru_> Minto: :) it's same like the 2 years old son of my friend
15:17 < jeru_> Minto: but sit back and relax ... it will becoming "better" with increasing age ;)
15:20 < minto> jeru_: I am not sure about that. Little children little worries, big children big worrries.
15:22 < rxr> re
15:24 < rxr> hm - I got reconneted ...
15:24 < rxr> Apr 7 13:51:44 obelix pppd[18786]: Connect: ppp0 <--> eth1
15:25 < rxr> srctar=""
15:30 < jeru_> Minto: yes ... that was what I tried to express ;)
15:31 < minto> rxr: are you sure srctar="" this will end up to [ = auto] in build_this_package.
15:35 < rxr> hm - that would be most natural
15:35 < rxr> than that place needs quoting ...
15:44 < rxr> I don't think setting it to an artificial value without any real meaining like "hey - nothing will be extracted - leave me alone" does not make sense ...
16:02 < minto> rxr: you're right
16:13 < CIA-9> msluis * r8077 /trunk/scripts/functions: * Packages without sources are possible now with srctar=""
16:18 < valentin> someone has a working wine in t2 ?
16:26 < minto> Hmm, when srctar="" none of the hooks are evaluated.
16:27 < valentin> and with srctar=none they are ?
16:29 < minto> I think so.
16:29 < minto> ...
16:29 < minto> xsourceballs="$srctar"
16:29 < minto> ...
16:29 < minto> for xsrctar in $xsourceballs; do
16:29 < minto> ...
16:29 < minto> done
16:29 < minto> All hooks are inside the for loop
16:32 < minto> I think we have 2 options:
16:32 < minto> 1) add another hook (finalize) outside the for loop.
16:32 < minto> 2) revert back to srctar=none
16:32 < valentin> all hooks ?
16:32 < valentin> can you point me to the file ?
16:33 < minto> script/functions build_this_package
16:34 < valentin> the whole build runs inside that loop
16:35 < minto> option 3: when srctar="" set it xsourceballs=none and prevent extract, patch, ...
16:36 * minto wonders why he can never play by the 'existing' rules.
16:41 < mnemoc_> rxr: why do you want to restrinct 99-final?
16:42 < jeru_> hi mnemoc :)
16:42 < mnemoc_> hi jeru_, minto, valentin :)
16:43 < minto> hi mnemoc
16:48 < valentin> i cannot emerge packages anymore on my gf's machine :(
16:48 < mnemoc_> uhm?
16:48 < valentin> !> pkgprefix: mysql record is old, please rebuild
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16:48 < valentin> where does that come from ?
16:48 < keinek> hi everybody
16:48 < keinek> :)
16:48 < valentin> hi keinek
16:48 < minto> Hi keinek
16:49 < mnemoc_> valentin: pkgprefix use var/adm/package to know where stuff is installed
16:49 < mnemoc_> valentin: but you can fake it
16:49 < valentin> mnemoc_: but where does that check come from ? it is not inside the .conf
16:49 < mnemoc_> valentin: add "Prefix: opt/mysql" in var/adm/package/mysql
16:50 < mnemoc_> valentin: it comes from pkgprefix
16:50 < mnemoc_> and pkgprefix is called inside .conf
16:51 < valentin> nope ?
16:51 < valentin> package/emulators/wine.conf
16:52 < mnemoc_> uhm
16:52 < mnemoc_> mysql's parse-config?
16:52 < mnemoc_> yes
16:52 < mnemoc_> package/database/mysql/parse-config
16:53 < valentin> is there an easy way to fake around ?
16:53 < mnemoc_> [10:50:44] valentin: add "Prefix: opt/mysql" in var/adm/package/mysql
16:54 < valentin> seems to work
16:55 < mnemoc_> :)
16:55 < mnemoc_> but the recommended _is_ to re-emerge mysql
16:57 < mnemoc_> valentin: worse things will happen when you try to emerge something that affects stone or rocknet
16:58 < CIA-9> amery * r8078 /trunk/package/security/pamtester/ (. pamtester.cache pamtester.desc): * added pamtester (0.10)
16:58 < mnemoc_> jeru_: Plone?
16:59 < valentin> mnemoc_: i just wanted to install a newer wine version
16:59 < valentin> though i doubt it will work
16:59 < mnemoc_> wine works here
16:59 < mnemoc_> but flat
16:59 < valentin> it works here to for simple graphic demos and opengl apps
16:59 < valentin> but i never got any commercial game to run
17:00 < minto> 8-o
17:00 < jeru_> mnemoc: what about Plone?
17:00 < mnemoc_> will we add dx9 patch'
17:00 < mnemoc_> jeru_: do we? will we?
17:00 < jeru_> mnemoc: I will :)
17:00 < mnemoc_> you and only you? :(
17:01 < jeru_> mnemoc: and of course I've packaged some usefull packages that we could use for T2-project
17:01 < mnemoc_> but?
17:03 < jeru_> mnemoc: I'm not quite sure if all T2 members will satisfied with it and I had no time till now to set up an public accessable site yet :/
17:03 < mnemoc_> considering it needs zope and blah blah, we can wait until 2.5 before rene get it working :)
17:04 < mnemoc_> current sucks, wiki is not enought and kwiki was a bad choice
17:04 < mnemoc_> rxr hated drupal
17:04 < mnemoc_> i hate typo3
17:04 < mnemoc_> rxr thinks ezpublish can be nice
17:05 < mnemoc_> but neither their developers know it
17:05 < jeru_> mnemoc: sorry phone rings at work
17:05 < mnemoc_> i know i know
17:06 < mnemoc_> we all work :(
17:06 < mnemoc_> i haven't had time to fix kwiki
17:06 < mnemoc_> sucks
17:06 < valentin> mnemoc_: what would you propose ?
17:06 < mnemoc_> i need 40 hours per day
17:06 < valentin> still drupal
17:06 < valentin> ?
17:06 < mnemoc_> Plone
17:06 < mnemoc_> it is modular
17:06 < mnemoc_> doesn't use html
17:06 < valentin> can you set it up somewhere ?
17:06 < mnemoc_> has multilanguage content
17:06 < valentin> what else ?
17:07 < mnemoc_> CSS
17:07 < mnemoc_> multilanguage is a showstoper i have seen in many CMSs
17:07 < valentin> i mean, instead of html ?
17:07 < mnemoc_> and it is mature
17:08 < mnemoc_> it has some CMS own 'langauges' to describe content
17:08 < jeru_> valentin: I'll set up a Plone site for T2 for testing purposes
17:08 < valentin> ok
17:08 < jeru_> I've already one localy running on my laptop for testing
17:09 < mnemoc_> iptable -A input -p tcp -dport 80 -j ACCEPT :)
17:09 < valentin> mnemoc_, jeru_ : you have to sell this to us, so if you set up a reasonable test base it would be nice ,)
17:09 < jeru_> valentin: these were our thoughts
17:09 < jeru_> ;)
17:10 < mnemoc_> we need a site before releasing RC1 and we are _very_ delayed with RC1 :(
17:10 < jeru_> ack
17:11 < valentin> ack, i think many people are scared away when visiting our poor site
17:12 < jeru_> valentin: I will kick my ass for getting a test instance working during the weekend ;)
17:13 < jeru_> but mnemoc: you know if you want I18N support you've to translate all the docs to spanish ;)
17:13 < valentin> i did not like drupal because it seemed very complicated to create a structure for the site
17:13 < mnemoc_> we have keinek :)
17:14 < mnemoc_> and after we get famous we will have lot of people wishing to help us :)
17:14 < jeru_> mnemoc: good idea ... :)
17:15 < mnemoc_> if people see they _can_ translate documents to their own languages they will do it
17:15 < keinek> yeah!
17:15 < keinek> but before include my target!
17:15 < keinek> :P
17:15 < mnemoc_> ok ok :p
17:15 < keinek> i will speak t2 in my first radio program.
17:15 < keinek> t2 powered my radio :)
17:16 < mnemoc_> you will speak T2 or speak _about_ T2?
17:16 < jeru_> keinek: are you making a radio program ?
17:18 < keinek> yes
17:18 < keinek> but in spanish :)
17:19 < mnemoc_> he did 8? last year
17:19 < jeru_> mnemoc: you listened keinek's radio show ?
17:19 < mnemoc_> yep
17:20 < jeru_> what are the topics, mainly ?
17:20 < valentin> internet streaming radio
17:20 < jeru_> computer related things ?
17:20 < jeru_> mnemoc: so we can add a T2 in the radio section too ;)
17:21 < mnemoc_> :D
17:21 < mnemoc_> yeah
17:21 < keinek> sure
17:21 < keinek> make me a comunicate
17:21 < keinek> from the team
17:21 < jeru_> powered by DJ keinek :)
17:21 < keinek> to the listen audience
17:21 < keinek> :)
17:21 < mnemoc_> powered by an audacity which doesn't crash!
17:22 < jeru_> hehe :D
17:22 < keinek> yes thanks
17:22 < keinek> :)
17:23 < valentin> i wonder if i should try this
17:23 < valentin> Cedega 4.0 (formerly known as WineX) thingy ...
17:24 < CIA-9> amery * r8079 /trunk/package/archiver/ (8 files in 8 dirs): * updated .cache files for archiver/*
17:24 < mnemoc_> valentin: how is it licensed?
17:24 < sepp_> 23 diff. lics noone understands
17:25 < jeru_> mnemoc: btw, regarding you ref build and prewikka I've found a solution but still doesn't know why it's not building currently
17:25 < jeru_> I mean with the current conf
17:26 < jeru_> looking at the xtrace output the installation command should be ok and works if I build it manually
17:26 < valentin> commercial
17:26 < valentin> mnemoc_: ^--
17:26 < valentin> hm, they want payment for that ?
17:27 < mnemoc_> /opt/prelude/lib/python2.4/site-packages/prewikka/siteconfig.py <-- do you want to use a different location?
17:27 < mnemoc_> valentin: what about wine+dx9 patch?
17:27 < valentin> what exactly is that dx9 patch ?
17:27 < valentin> directX 9 ?
17:27 < mnemoc_> yes
17:28 < valentin> hm, i do not think direct X is the problem. The games i tried are very old
17:28 < jeru_> mnemoc: it doesn't matter right now. because it doesn't create /opt/prelude/lib/python2.4/site-packages/prewikka/siteconfig.py with the current conf
17:28 < mnemoc_> i'm not a gamer but i guess that dx9 helps for that
17:28 < valentin> like Half Live 1
17:28 < valentin> or Harry Potter 1
17:28 < mnemoc_> ic
17:28 < valentin> my gf gets mad because she has no HP running
17:29 < valentin> and i promised a year ago i will get it running here
17:29 < jeru_> mnemoc: adding a premake hook with the right setup command it works
17:29 < mnemoc_> mad gf-s are dangerous
17:29 < mnemoc_> i resynced the whole tree
17:30 < jeru_> mnemoc: so should I commit this "dirty hack" for now ?
17:30 < mnemoc_> jeru_: make it work :)
17:30 < jeru_> ok :)
17:31 < mnemoc_> dirty hacks on T2 are much more obvious to see than those Makefile based kits
17:31 < mnemoc_> so you wont forget it is there
17:31 < jeru_> so I'll commit my changes to prewikka, because it works :)
17:31 < mnemoc_> :)
17:31 < mnemoc_> add the comment
17:31 < jeru_> mnemoc: roger that ! :)
17:32 < mnemoc_> thanks :)
17:32 < mnemoc_> btw, if i sound imperative some times is due to my bad english not because i want to sound imperative :)
17:32 < jeru_> :D
17:33 < mnemoc_> i'll add stage 9 to this ref now
17:33 < mnemoc_> i want good .cache files
17:35 < jeru_> btw, how can I remove the "build" out of -> python setup.py build install --prefix /opt/preluden setup.py build install --prefix /opt/prelude
17:35 < mnemoc_> eval python setup.py build install $pyconfopt
17:36 < mnemoc_> i guess you may need to move it inside pyconfopt
17:36 < mnemoc_> and change _Every_ python package to honor this
17:36 < mnemoc_> or to patch setup.py to ignore that argument on that special case
17:37 < jeru_> hmmm .. but the strange thing is, that "python setup.py build install --prefix /opt/prelude" works manually
17:37 < jeru_> I'll take a look later
17:37 < mnemoc_> jeru_: try inside debug.sh
17:38 < jeru_> ok
17:38 * jeru_ is moving home soon ...
17:41 < CIA-9> chris * r8080 /trunk/package/security/prewikka/prewikka.conf:
17:41 < CIA-9> * added premake hook to install prewikka correctly
17:41 < CIA-9> * Note: this seems to be a dirty hack, and has to be reviewed again
17:45 < mnemoc_> Updated to revision 8080.
17:46 < mnemoc_> this will go with stage 9 :)
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17:57 < rxr> er
17:57 < jeru_> mnemoc: have you ever used ipvs to redirect traffic into several vservers ?
17:57 < rxr> mion mnemoc
17:57 < mnemoc> jeru_: i did once
17:57 < jeru_> does it work properly ?
18:00 < mnemoc> it use to
18:01 < jeru_> mnemoc: sounds not bad ... I want to have some vservers on my internet connected server ;)
18:02 < mnemoc> :)
18:03 < jeru_> because I don't want mnemoc screwing up my host :D
18:03 < mnemoc> hehe
18:03 < jeru_> hehe
18:04 < mnemoc> my build server is a vserver :)
18:04 < jeru_> ahh ..cool :)
18:04 < jeru_> so ... I'm out now for 1h ... cu later
18:04 < mnemoc> cu
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18:05 < mnemoc> moin rxr
18:05 < mnemoc> rxr: why do you want to restrict 99-final ?
18:06 < rxr> why restrict ? just sane defaults ...
18:06 < rxr> I think your stage 1 proposal is right - but not injecting it into any stage ...
18:06 < mnemoc> why?
18:06 < rxr> useless rebuils
18:06 < mnemoc> 0 is also needed
18:06 < rxr> well - c
18:06 < rxr> seldom I would say ..
18:07 < mnemoc> that is controlled by the target
18:07 < rxr> why not 1 5 9 and let unusal configurations alter that ...
18:07 < mnemoc> target choose what t do on each stage
18:07 < mnemoc> cross-builds
18:07 < mnemoc> 0 for native stuff, 1 for cross stuff
18:07 < mnemoc> helpers mainly
18:08 < mnemoc> target author can want to do stuff before stage 5, that means ending stage 4
18:08 < mnemoc> 99-final is not a /package/
18:09 < mnemoc> is a way to force actions
18:09 < rxr> well - but it looks like a normal package ...
18:09 < rxr> default is empty
18:09 < rxr> (or so)=
18:09 < rxr> and the target does pkg_99-final.conf or whatever to add content
18:09 < mnemoc> yes
18:09 < mnemoc> but you limit it the stages he can use
18:10 < rxr> I think stage tweaking should only be neded for unusual stuff - and let normal targets not mess with stage of pkg altering ...
18:10 < rxr> why can ?
18:10 < rxr> I just want sane defaults ..
18:10 < rxr> you can still alter stage of packages ...
18:10 < rxr> look at the pda target
18:10 < rxr> it turns all after stage 1 off and enables stage 1 for many more packages not marked to be bulid in 1 ...
18:10 < mnemoc> the sane default is given by the O after [P]
18:10 < rxr> lol ...
18:11 < rxr> what do stage combination do you expect to be used?
18:11 < rxr> 1-5-9 ?
18:11 < mnemoc> i actually find useless 99-final on stage 5
18:11 < rxr> or 1-89 ?
18:11 < mnemoc> 012 at least
18:12 < rxr> why 2 ?
18:12 < rxr> 2 is to be removed anyway ..
18:12 < rxr> 2 is useless rebuild wasting CPU cycles ...
18:12 < rxr> as 3 is ...
18:12 < mnemoc> we disagree a lot on that field
18:12 < mnemoc> you want to join everything in big stages
18:12 < rxr> of course ...
18:12 < mnemoc> i want to split the build in littlesemantic stages
18:13 < rxr> why more differences
18:13 < rxr> rebulids waste CPU time
18:13 < rxr> we only need
18:13 < rxr> - create sane compiler
18:13 < rxr> - maybe create sane cross compiler
18:13 < rxr> - build basic stuff
18:13 < rxr> - build the rest that can be cross build
18:13 < mnemoc> on ideal world that is tru
18:13 < rxr> - build the not cross buildable remainder
18:13 < rxr> thats it ...
18:14 < mnemoc> but mono needs gettext, and gettext needs mono to build GNU.Gettext.dll
18:14 < mnemoc> which is needed by gtk-sharp
18:14 < rxr> + the rebuild insane people want
18:14 < mnemoc> and loop loop loop
18:14 < mnemoc> many packages need gtk-sharp these days
18:14 < rxr> one could split the gettext stuff into a seperate package ...
18:14 < mnemoc> and the count is increasing
18:14 < rxr> gettext
18:14 < rxr> mono
18:14 < rxr> gettext-mono
18:15 < mnemoc> we disagree a lot on that field
18:16 < rxr> why do you want complete package rebuilds?
18:16 < rxr> they stink ...
18:16 < rxr> and make automated depedency tracking a lot messier
18:16 < mnemoc> because it is the only clean way for some packages
18:17 < mnemoc> now i'm doing an stage 9 build to get complete .cache files
18:17 < mnemoc> let see on 2.2 if we can solve the graph on your way
18:18 < mnemoc> but i really doubt it
18:20 < mnemoc> !> Hunk #2 FAILED at 32.
18:20 < mnemoc> !> 1 out of 2 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file disk-u ..
18:20 < mnemoc> == 04/07/05 12:26:40 =[1]=> Aborted building package util-linux.
18:20 < mnemoc> uhm
18:21 < mnemoc> another blindly updated package
18:24 < sepp_> i posted the patch to the ml
18:24 < mnemoc> thanks :)
18:26 < mnemoc> this 486 640x480 keep me very stressed
18:28 < valentin> re
18:31 < CIA-9> amery * r8081 /trunk/package/develop/clisp/clisp.desc: * changed clisp to optional because it builds on some envs but breaks often and randomly.
18:33 * mnemoc wants to hit this damn box
18:34 < valentin> i fear i have to install Windows :(
18:34 < mnemoc> to play games?
18:34 < valentin> yep
18:36 < valentin> hm, that is what i get for Harry Potter:
18:36 < valentin> http://support.installshield.com/kb/view.asp?articleid=Q104985
18:38 < valentin> they tell one solution would be to install a new IE *g*
18:39 < mnemoc> if you install IE in english, can you share the .wine dir with me? :)
18:43 < mnemoc> is 'attic' a good repo name for damn-broken but not yet droped packages?
18:46 < rxr> yes
18:47 < mnemoc> i didn't moved clisp to there because it builds... some times
18:48 < mnemoc> but there are another packages like vst which i don't know how to fix
18:50 < mnemoc> OT: there is a hosts file on windows?
18:51 < rxr> yes
18:51 < rxr> WINDIR:\hosts.txt or so ...
18:51 < valentin> hm, the wine package does not copy the winesetup script ?
18:51 < mnemoc> nice
18:52 < mnemoc> Hosts.sam?
18:52 < mnemoc> yes!
18:52 < mnemoc> grear
18:52 < mnemoc> great*
18:53 < valentin> there is no more winesetup ?
18:54 < sepp_> winecfg
18:56 < mnemoc> hosts.sam is not working :(
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18:57 < _jeru> rehi
18:57 < valentin> sepp:thanks
18:57 < mnemoc> hi _jeru
18:58 < _jeru> hi mnemoc
18:58 < mnemoc> pfff host.sam means hosts _sample_ :p
18:59 < rxr> sample ?
18:59 < mnemoc> SAMple :p
18:59 < mnemoc> i have to remove the extension :)
19:00 < mnemoc> now it works :D
19:04 < _jeru> mnemoc: btw, can you build ethereal if heimdal is installed ?
19:05 < mnemoc> i think so
19:05 < mnemoc> why not?
19:05 < _jeru> checking for krb5-config... /opt/heimdal/bin/krb5-config
19:05 < _jeru> configure: error: Kerberos library requires -lcrypto but --with-ssl not specified
19:06 < mnemoc> _jeru: i think we can assume ssl if heimdal and add --with-ssl on heimdal's parse-config
19:06 < _jeru> ok ...
19:07 < _jeru> mnemoc: anyway is that right ? -> var_append extraconfopt ' ' "--with-openssl=$( pkgprefix sysconfdir openssl )"
19:07 < _jeru> it's from heimdal.conf
19:07 < valentin> my new configured wine runs the half live installation - but still no harry potter :(
19:07 < _jeru> mnemoc: why sysconfdir ?
19:07 < mnemoc> i don't remember
19:08 < minto> valentin: Come to Holland and you have Harry Potter for prime minister :-)
19:08 < _jeru> Minto: :D
19:08 < mnemoc> _jeru: packages may want config info :p
19:08 < _jeru> but it also builds with var_append extraconfopt ' ' "--with-openssl=/$( pkgprefix openssl )"
19:09 < mnemoc> what is 'it'?
19:09 * _jeru is a bit confused about the whole heimdal thing
19:09 < mnemoc> remember parse-config is generi for every package which wants to acept that parameters
19:10 < _jeru> mnemoc: indeed
19:11 < _jeru> mnemoc: so should I try to add --with-ssl to heimdal's parse-config ?
19:12 < mnemoc> yep
19:12 < _jeru> ok ... :)
19:12 < CIA-9> amery * r8082 /trunk/package/base/util-linux/disable_cramfs_tools.diff:
19:12 < CIA-9> Sebastian Czech :
19:12 < CIA-9> * fixed util-linux by addapting disable_cramfs_tools patch
19:14 < mnemoc> sepp_: applied :-)
19:16 < rxr> right now I pacakge unionfs ...
19:16 < rxr> just the note to prevent duplicate work ...
19:16 < _jeru> rxr: what's unionfs ?
19:18 < valentin> rxr: your old athlon is broken :(
19:19 < valentin> ok
19:19 < valentin> hard power of worked
19:20 < rxr> valentin: what old athlon ?
19:20 < rxr> of mine ?!?!?
19:20 < rxr> what are you talking about ?
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19:24 < rxr> http://www.fsl.cs.sunysb.edu/project-unionfs.html
19:26 < _jeru> rxr: thank you
19:26 < mnemoc> i had unionfs on my 'to package' bookmark dir since last year :p
19:27 < mnemoc> this overlaying thing looks great for livecd-s and embeded-ro systems
19:28 < _jeru> mnemoc: I think the upcoming livcd-issue in T2 is a reason for rxr to package unionfs ,)
19:29 < _jeru> mnemoc: but, it seems to be useful for embedded-ro systems too :)
19:29 < valentin> wine even managed to hardware freeze your old athlon
19:30 < valentin> that is no more monitor signal and all keyboard leds dead
19:30 < valentin> never saw somethiing like that before
19:30 < mnemoc> valentin: ping? ssh?
19:30 < valentin> not even under windows
19:30 < valentin> mnemoc: of course not
19:30 < mnemoc> oh
19:30 < valentin> it was like pulling all cables out
19:31 < mnemoc> oh^3
19:31 < valentin> all leds on the keyboard suddently went of and the monitor had no signal anymore
19:31 < valentin> only the powerlamp was still on
19:31 < valentin> in the first moment i thougth we had another power outage
19:32 < valentin> i give up on wine for now - maybe i install win on a partition to save my nerves
19:32 < rxr> that is your athlon not mine ...
19:33 < valentin> yep - i just said "your old" to tell you it is the one i bought from you
19:34 < mnemoc> rene is guilty
19:36 < rxr> ehrm - that is years in the past - and the box never had an issue, right ?
19:36 < rxr> hey - wow - that is this cool irongate chipset based slot a athlon ,-) !!!
19:36 < mnemoc> rene is guilty anyway
19:36 < _jeru> mnemoc: seems you will have some trouble soon ;)
19:36 < mnemoc> :p
19:37 < _jeru> mnemoc: btw, ethereal seems to build now ;)
19:37 < mnemoc> nice
19:38 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
19:38 * _jeru thanks mnemoc
19:39 < mnemoc> rxr: just joking to try to relax
19:40 < _jeru> mnemoc: ^ sounds a bit desperated
19:41 < mnemoc> yep
19:47 < rxr> mnemoc: oh - what can we do to you ... ?
19:47 < rxr> mnemoc: you get a 2nd transformer ?
19:47 < mnemoc> i got an URL with a form and blah blah blah
19:47 < rxr> hm
19:47 < mnemoc> but i having read it yet
19:48 < rxr> anyway how can we make you happy ?
19:48 < mnemoc> nah... don't worry
19:48 < mnemoc> im used to this :)
19:49 < mnemoc> i need to focus and solve anything, step by step :)
19:53 < rxr> but we do worry ...
19:54 < mnemoc> let's get rc1 finished :)
19:54 < valentin> we should get there : http://subversion.tigris.org/testimonials.html to increase our google rating ...
19:56 < _jeru> valentin: ack
19:57 < mnemoc> Plone! Plone! Plone!
19:57 < _jeru> :D
19:58 < mnemoc> does plone use /articule or ?article?
19:59 < mnemoc> ?article ?*
19:59 < mnemoc> googe doesn't like ?article
19:59 < _jeru> mnemoc: /article
19:59 < mnemoc> :D
19:59 < mnemoc> Plone! Plone! Plone!
20:00 < _jeru> mnemoc: roger that ! :)
20:03 < rxr> valentin: what do you wait - send a mail to them ... !
20:03 < rxr> subversion taht is ...
20:03 < _jeru> master rxr is speaking :)
20:03 < valentin> jfmi: how many files do we have ?
20:03 < mnemoc> all hail rxr
20:04 < rxr> mnemoc: I'm not from austria - you speak to the wrong person ..
20:04 < mnemoc> :)
20:04 < _jeru> mnemoc: joking he is
20:04 < valentin> how can i find out how many files are under version control ?
20:05 < rxr> valentin: I just do for you ...
20:05 < rxr> the server database is: 171M total
20:05 < _jeru> rxr: impressive that is
20:05 < valentin> if you are working with find, don't forget to exclude the .svn's and build files
20:05 < mnemoc> valentin: svn co http://svn.exactcode.de/t2 t2-full; find t2-full -type f | grep -v .svn | wc -l
20:06 < rxr> valentin: I svn export a fresh copy ...
20:06 < valentin> _jeru: yoda speak that is
20:06 < valentin> ,)
20:06 < rxr> mnemoc: with svn export you don't have .svn files ...
20:06 < mnemoc> :)
20:06 < rxr> and with svn:// you should get an additional performance boost ,-)
20:06 < _jeru> valentin: foxy he is ;)
20:06 < rxr> svn export svn:// is scrolling pretty fast thru ...
20:07 < mnemoc> svn export.... i forgot that
20:08 < rxr> that is also how I prepare tarballs for release ...
20:08 < rxr> $ find -type f | wc -l
20:08 < rxr> 6085
20:09 < rxr> $ find | wc -l
20:09 < rxr> 7793
20:09 < rxr> $ du -csh .
20:09 < rxr> 29M .
20:10 < rxr> $ find | grep -v '^./source' |wc -l
20:10 < rxr> 7732
20:10 < rxr> $ find -type f | grep -v '^./source' |wc -l
20:10 < rxr> 6031
20:13 < valentin> why no source ?
20:13 < mnemoc> source is 2.2 :9
20:13 < mnemoc> :)
20:15 < rxr> *g*
20:15 < rxr> because source contains svn:externals ..
20:15 < rxr> however they are not significant in size ...
20:16 < mnemoc> 7793 vs. 7732
20:17 < CIA-9> chris * r8083 /trunk/package/security/heimdal/parse-config: * added config option --with-ssl because ethereal wants to have it if heimdal is present
20:18 < mnemoc> :)
20:18 < _jeru> :)
20:20 < valentin> so i will just tell them we have more than 6000 files and xxx users with write access and are happy...
20:20 < valentin> xxx=11 ?
20:22 < _jeru> mnemoc: but ipsec-tools have some problem too
20:23 < mnemoc> _jeru: read heimdal/pkg_*_pre.conf too
20:24 < minto> Is there somewhere a todo list for 2.1 release?
20:24 < valentin> policy question. Do we have an official tmp dir in t2 or should scripts use /tmp ?
20:24 < minto> What target should work properly for 2.1 release?
20:24 < valentin> or even $root/tmp ?
20:24 < valentin> minto: desktop will
20:25 < _jeru> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/ref/regressions.html <-- is good todo list ;)
20:25 < minto> Destop has 20% non stable packages
20:25 < valentin> mnemoc's target should work, too
20:25 < minto> root@server:~/t2/trunk# ./source/PkgStatus -nc desktop
20:25 < minto> Alpha 17 2.93 %
20:25 < minto> Beta 99 17.06 %
20:25 < minto> Gamma 1 0.17 %
20:25 < minto> Stable 463 79.82 %
20:25 < minto> Total packages: 580
20:25 < valentin> maybe live cd, but that is about to be rewriten ...
20:26 < minto> I will check mnemosyne too.
20:26 < _jeru> :)
20:26 < valentin> minto: depends on what is beta ... some packages with a 0.x version are marked beta for example.
20:26 < mnemoc> minto: mnemosyne is very config dependant
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20:27 < minto> mnemoc: I just noticed.
20:27 < minto> valentin: I can present a list of all none stable.
20:28 < mnemoc> the scope of mnemosyne is very wide, but the focus seems to be clear
20:28 < minto> mnemoc: Is there an easy way to turn on all.
20:28 < valentin> minto: can i use your tool to produce that list localy ?
20:28 < minto> valentin: Yes, I posted it to the mailing list somewhere around Cebit.
20:29 < valentin> i read it
20:29 < valentin> but i forgot if there was something like a --list option to get the packages instead of the count
20:29 < minto> root@server:~/t2/trunk# ./source/PkgStatus --help
20:29 < minto> Usage: PkgStatus [options]
20:29 < minto> Options:
20:30 < minto> --help Display this information.
20:30 < minto> -c, --config Displays package status information of
20:30 < minto> all packages in the given configuration.
20:30 < minto> -s, --status Display only packages with the given
20:30 < minto> -r, --repository
20:30 < minto> Display package information for all
20:30 < minto> packages in the given repository.
20:30 < minto> status.
20:30 < minto> -n, --count Only count the packages, don't show
20:30 < minto> package names.
20:30 < minto> -a, --all Display status of all packages.
20:30 < minto> valentin: --list is by default. use -n for just a count.
20:30 < valentin> ok :)
20:31 < minto> List of all Alpha package in desktop:
20:31 < minto> root@server:~/t2/trunk# ./source/PkgStatus -s Alpha -c desktop
20:31 < minto> libksba Alpha
20:31 < minto> prelink Alpha
20:32 < minto> etox Alpha
20:32 < minto> epeg Alpha
20:32 < minto> edje Alpha
20:32 < minto> esmart Alpha
20:32 < minto> hicolor-icon-theme Alpha
20:32 < minto> libgnomecups Alpha
20:32 < minto> ewl Alpha
20:32 < minto> gnome-doc-utils Alpha
20:32 < minto> tex-ttf Alpha
20:32 < minto> xcdroast Alpha
20:32 < minto> emotion Alpha
20:32 < minto> klear Alpha
20:32 < minto> dbus Alpha
20:32 < minto> hal Alpha
20:32 < minto> qtparted Alpha
20:32 < mnemoc> minto: you may want to port misc/archive/AuditBuild.sh to PkgStatus :)
20:32 * mnemoc moving home
20:33 < _jeru> cu mnemoc
20:33 < mnemoc> BEta is given to many packages with are considered by their authors stable since long time ago
20:33 < mnemoc> cu
20:33 < minto> cu mnemoc
20:35 < valentin> cu mnemoc
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20:38 < valentin> i will be in the background, too.
20:39 < valentin> cu later
20:43 < rxr> valentin: why 6000 - we have over 7000 ...
20:43 < rxr> XXX is 13 - I guess 14 soon ...
21:18 < rxr> minto: why do you think so much about the package status ?
21:19 < minto> rxr: If we want target to be stable I think the package should be as close to stable as possible.
21:19 < rxr> if you want to go thru them and tune them ...
21:19 < minto> I know not all packages will be stable but 20% of desktop seems to many.
21:19 < rxr> however e.g. when gnome 2.10 is marked stable it does not really present what gnome is ...
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21:20 < sepp_> are not all 0.x packages unstable?
21:21 < minto> dunno, are they? I know some stable package are really buggy and some beta are very good. It is more an overal impression.
21:21 < rxr> hehe ,-)
21:21 < minto> I just want to keep us sharp
21:21 < rxr> yes - some ever 0.x numbered packages are pretty good - and some high bumped ones indeed buggy ...
21:21 < rxr> I like a status review
21:22 < minto> We should not rush to the latest version of something without good reason.
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21:22 < minto> mnemoc mentioned misc/archive/AuditBuild.sh What it is for?
21:23 < rxr> well - in gernally we do not - it is jsut that gnome is always buggy ...
21:23 < rxr> ERROR-LOG:etc/blkid.tab: linux24 linux26
21:23 < rxr> and I have no idea where that file comes from - anyone ?
21:24 * minto will be back soon.
21:24 < rxr> cu minto
21:24 < sepp_> is "if pkginstalled foo" true only if foo is installed allready? or if its in the pkg list?
21:25 < rxr> sepp_: in the build it is when it is in the package list
21:25 < sepp_> thanks
21:25 < rxr> for rebuild (stage9) and manual builds (conicidently also stage9) it is when the package really is installed
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21:35 < sepp> and if a patch is x00 kb large should i bzip it?
21:36 < sepp> for the ml ...
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21:38 < rxr> what kind of patch ?
21:38 < sepp> my loop-aes fix
21:38 < sepp> its not very small
21:40 < sepp> its a 200kb kernel patch that replaces the complete loop driver ...
21:42 < rxr> .oOOO ?
21:42 < rxr> what the ...
21:42 < rxr> can you download it ...
21:42 < rxr> ?
21:42 < sepp> yes right i should untar the pkg and use this one
21:42 < sepp> ok ;)
21:46 < rxr> mnemoc: did you ever saw a etc/blkid.tab ??
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21:49 < rxr> oh
21:49 < rxr> damn crap
21:49 < rxr> it is the new mount !
21:49 < rxr> bash(Build-Pkg)*.sh(mkinitrd).mount.link: /etc/blkid.tab.old
21:49 < rxr> bash(Build-Pkg)*.sh(mkinitrd).mount.rename: /etc/blkid.tab
21:50 < rxr> I need to patch that beast away ...
21:50 < rxr> HISTORY:* mount: use blkid, uuid libraries when available
21:50 < rxr> util-linux 2.12n,o
21:58 < rxr> hm - I'm not yet quite sure
21:58 < rxr> how to deal with that ...
21:59 < sepp> ignore /etc/blkid.tab* ?
21:59 < sepp> in build package
22:02 < rxr> yes
22:02 < rxr> came to that conclusion, too
22:03 < rxr> I wonder that etc/mtab is not in it ...
22:03 < rxr> I can remeber time where that was flistdel ...
22:26 < CIA-9> rene * r8084 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg:
22:26 < CIA-9> * added etc/blkid.tab to the flistdel, since it is modified by the
22:26 < CIA-9> new mount (caching uuids/labels)
22:28 < CIA-9> rene * r8085 /trunk/package/filesystem/unionfs/ (. postlinux.conf unionfs.cache unionfs.conf unionfs.desc): * added unionfs (1.0.11)
22:32 < mnemoc> re
22:33 < rxr> hi mnemoc
22:33 < mnemoc> what is did 'block'? ifd tab?
22:33 < mnemoc> id*
22:34 < rxr> man blkid ?
22:34 < rxr> ext2/3 label uuid caching fluff ...
22:34 < mnemoc> i don't have man on my irssi-shell box :p
22:34 < rxr> ,-)
22:35 < rxr> ok - uuid label caching fluff done by mount (and others?) I do not need ...
22:35 < rxr> but - if mount does it - well - let's not harm it ...
22:35 < mnemoc> yep
22:36 < mnemoc> why we never noticed it before?
22:37 < rxr> because it is new
22:37 < rxr> as I pasted new since 12n or so ..
22:37 < rxr> 21:50 < rxr> util-linux 2.12n,o
22:37 < mnemoc> ic
22:37 < rxr> we had 2.12a or so until yesterday
22:38 < mnemoc> so i'll see regressions of this in my refbuild
22:38 < rxr> maybe - most likely on in the kernel packages ...
22:38 < rxr> svn up scripts will solve it ..
22:40 < mnemoc> minto: AZ defeated villarreal :'(
22:40 < minto> :-)
22:40 < mnemoc> my uncle is villarreal's coatch
22:41 < minto> :-D
22:41 < sepp> hmm any one ever saw a "unresolvable relocation against symbol" with a wrong offset error from ld ?
22:41 < rxr> mnemoc: you agree advancing Emerge and removing Create-UpdateList as well as Update-System is good (tm)?
22:41 < mnemoc> Create-UpdateList is a nice helper
22:41 < rxr> mnemoc: you can run Emerge -dry-run ...
22:41 < mnemoc> i use it to 'monitor'
22:41 < sepp> i opened the .o in hte and at this offset there is no such symbol
22:42 < rxr> mnemoc: I want to make Emerge verbose by default ...
22:42 < rxr> and with Emerge (verbose by default) -dry-run you have the same ...
22:42 < mnemoc> but with emerge you only see one pacakge
22:42 < mnemoc> no the whole machine
22:42 < rxr> mnemoc: I said I want to improve Emerge ...
22:42 < rxr> - verbose by default
22:42 < rxr> - allow all packages (maybe by default)
22:42 < mnemoc> ermege -dryrun -all ?
22:42 < rxr> or via regex (Emerge '*'
22:42 < rxr> )
22:43 < mnemoc> ic
22:43 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe regex on packages allows more powerful use - over hardwire -all
22:43 < rxr> Emerge kde*
22:43 < rxr> or whatever ...
22:43 < rxr> mnemoc: would such changes be acceptable for you ?
22:43 < mnemoc> i'm more worried about {pre,post} install procedures
22:43 < mnemoc> welll yes
22:44 < rxr> of what ? single packages ?
22:44 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - implement that soon - maybe tomrrow - at least weekend I think
22:44 < mnemoc> e.g. updating sysfiles after stone/rocknet change
22:44 < rxr> hm
22:44 < rxr> ...
22:45 < mnemoc> or dunmping database before updating postgres
22:45 < rxr> 2.2, or ?
22:45 < mnemoc> ok
22:46 < mnemoc> remove deprecated files on update... is that possible before rc1?
22:47 < mnemoc> or before 2.1.0 :)
22:47 < mnemoc> .oO( what is it missing for rc1? )o
22:48 < mnemoc> remove deprecated files on update can help a _lot_
22:48 < mnemoc> to not get duplicated versiones stuff or to honor relocations
22:48 < mnemoc> versioned*
22:51 < _jeru> re
22:51 < mnemoc> re jeru
22:52 < rxr> mnemoc: well - we delay -rc1 quite a lot ...
22:52 < rxr> I think we should get -rc1 out
22:52 < _jeru> mnemoc: do you have some scripts for installing a vserver out of the box ? :)
22:52 < rxr> and implement the lingering files the day after
22:53 < mnemoc> _jeru: not yet
22:53 < rxr> I fear we break some package rebuilds this way since not all touch all files on update builds ...
22:53 < rxr> some might be broken and only copy when not there or then they differ
22:53 < rxr> I think that should get at least some testing before the next release
22:53 < rxr> and -rc1 is good - we should release and get some PR ...
22:54 < mnemoc> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/ref/regressions.html <--- i reverted most of the harmfull updates
22:54 < minto> rxr: once rc1 is out we should only do fixes.
22:54 < mnemoc> balsa and bogofilter i think need to be fixed before
22:54 < mnemoc> what else?
22:55 < mnemoc> minto: after rc1 everything should be api,abi,config _and_ prefix stable
22:56 < minto> my point, there have been a lot of packages added lately. I am afraid this will continue into rc1.
22:56 < mnemoc> i only commit tested packages
22:57 < mnemoc> and i test almost everything
22:57 < minto> The packages I added I tested too. But still rc1 should not be a moving target.
22:57 * sepp tested everything before i sent to ml
22:58 < mnemoc> we can't froze our only stable neither
22:58 < mnemoc> but limit it's movements yes
22:58 < _jeru> mnemoc: ack
22:58 < rxr> minto: that lingering files fix
22:58 < rxr> is a fix ,-)
22:58 < rxr> however as you like ...
22:58 < rxr> I vote for a -rc1 soon
22:58 < mnemoc> me too
22:59 < _jeru> mee too
22:59 < rxr> the obsolete files improvement could be done on rc2 ...
22:59 < minto> me too
22:59 < mnemoc> but let's fix, or move to attic broken stuff on my referente
22:59 < mnemoc> rxr: yes
22:59 < mnemoc> rxr: i consider core ready for rc1
22:59 < mnemoc> rxr: but there still some 'important' packages broken
23:00 < mnemoc> sepp: wxpython24 is broken here
23:00 < _jeru> mnemoc: snort too :(
23:00 < sepp> mnemoc: ??? i built it <1h ago
23:00 < rxr> and we all review some debug printout of system rebuilds to review no vital files get removed
23:00 < sepp> mnemoc: ohh sorry yes wxpy is broken
23:01 < rxr> ok - /me soon in bed - the next three days are most probably mostly reserved for T2 work
23:01 < mnemoc> rxr: i can't do fixes in the next 5-8 days :(
23:01 < rxr> mnemoc: valentin and I might do a lice-cd for a german magazin - if so we get some EUR for that (far too less to life from but at least s.th. ...)
23:02 < rxr> mnemoc: no problem ...
23:02 < mnemoc> rxr: but i can run test builds
23:02 < sepp> mnemoc: i was unable to fix wxpy24 and they say that wxpy24 with gtk 2 is alpha
23:04 * minto is off to bed. Sleep well all.
23:04 < mnemoc> cu minto
23:04 < _jeru> cu minto
23:05 < mnemoc> minto: didn't you updated kaffe?
23:06 < _jeru> mnemoc: == 04/07/05 22:58:43 =[9]=> Finished building package snort.
23:06 < mnemoc> _jeru: commit, and i re-schedule
23:06 < _jeru> have done nothing ... strange what's the problem on your ref ?
23:07 < _jeru> please reschedule it anyway please :)
23:08 < mnemoc> done
23:08 < _jeru> let's see :)
23:08 < mnemoc> Enabled : 1513
23:08 < mnemoc> Disabled : 41
23:08 < mnemoc> Hidden : 20
23:08 < mnemoc> Total : 1574
23:08 < mnemoc> this is the biggest difference
23:09 < rxr> mnemoc: how many broken ?
23:10 < mnemoc> 67
23:10 < rxr> 68
23:10 < rxr> ,-)
23:10 < mnemoc> uhm
23:11 < mnemoc> etc/blkid.tab: linux24 linux26
23:11 < mnemoc> i hate that
23:11 < mnemoc> i'll have to reschedule those monsters
23:12 < rxr> ...
23:12 < rxr> n8 all
23:12 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
23:12 < sepp> night rxr
23:13 < _jeru> night rxr
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23:46 < _jeru> mnemoc: btw, I'm updating/testing vserver package
23:47 < mnemoc> :D
23:47 < _jeru> :D
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