--- Log opened Thu Apr 14 00:00:04 2005 00:06 -!- sparc-kly|univ| [~universit@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has joined #t2 00:16 -!- ojh [~omer@63-224-201-59.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2 00:18 < jeru> hi ojh ... rxr has packaged lua for t2 ;) 00:19 < ojh> jeru: Cool. I need to get to work on the Tango prototype then . . . 00:20 < jeru> yeah ... go ahead :) 00:21 < ojh> BTW: has any one has success with the Zero Install patch set? (yes I know that they produced errors building on my system - but I think that had something about a broken module error every time ldconfig is run) 00:22 < jeru> sorry I don't know 00:48 -!- sparc-kly|univ| [~universit@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:02 -!- ojh [~omer@63-224-201-59.eugn.qwest.net] has left #t2 [] 01:15 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.13.143] has joined #t2 01:15 < keinek> hi 01:43 -!- mubex [~mubex@64.237.132.6] has joined #t2 01:43 * mubex test irssi :D 01:50 -!- mubex is now known as sparc-kly 01:51 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFD738.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:59 < sparc-kly> hi all 02:11 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.132.6] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 02:35 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.132.6] has joined #t2 02:55 < sparc-kly> sparc t2-trunk # ./scripts/Config -cfg system 02:55 < sparc-kly> Creating rockdialog tool. 02:55 < sparc-kly> gcc misc/rockdialog/*.c -Imisc/rockdialog -lncurses -o src/rockdialog.bin 02:55 < sparc-kly> Creating configuration script. 02:55 < sparc-kly> T2 2.1.0-rc2 configuration ... 02:55 < sparc-kly> Building src/config_helper.so. 02:55 < sparc-kly> ./scripts/Config: line 118: 16235 Segmentation fault "$0" -cfg $config $oldconfig $profile $nobashmod -cycle 02:55 < sparc-kly> sparc t2-trunk # 02:58 < sparc-kly> wtf ? 03:25 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.13.143] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 03:38 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.132.6] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 03:49 < mnemoc_> rehi 04:55 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.132.6] has joined #t2 05:16 -!- jsubl2 [~jsubl2@209.144.23.220] has joined #t2 05:20 -!- jsubl2 [~jsubl2@209.144.23.220] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 05:28 -!- mtr__ [~michael@Hbec0.h.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:29 -!- mtr__ [~michael@H8b2c.h.pppool.de] has joined #t2 05:40 -!- mtr_ [~michael@H8dff.h.pppool.de] has joined #t2 05:49 -!- mtr__ [~michael@H8b2c.h.pppool.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:52 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.132.6] has quit ["leaving"] 05:55 < mnemoc_> rxr: transset checkout is too small to your size validation on Download script 05:57 < mnemoc_> rxr: and the lock is keeped after the abort, on a wrong directory, what makes the following downloads to fail 06:05 < valentin> short moin 06:05 < valentin> hi mnemoc_ 06:05 < mnemoc_> hi valentin 06:05 < mnemoc_> rxr: did you found the problem with unionfs? 06:05 < valentin> *yawn* 06:06 < valentin> i guess rxr is asleep 06:06 < valentin> it is 06:06 here 06:06 < mnemoc_> i know... i'm just adding stuff to his away log :) 06:06 < valentin> :) 06:06 < mnemoc_> i'll go to sleep son 06:06 < mnemoc_> soon 06:08 < valentin> so early ? 06:10 < mnemoc_> yep 06:10 < mnemoc_> o maybe around 1am.... but not after that 06:16 < valentin> have to leave now - traveling to the other hand of germany 06:16 < valentin> cu 06:17 < mnemoc_> cu valentin 06:17 < mnemoc_> rxr!! 0-glibc is failing due to CPP_WRAPPER 06:18 < mnemoc_> rxr: configure:3360: error: C preprocessor "i686-t2-linux-gnu-cpp" fails sanity check 06:43 -!- c4y0 [~cmora@200.75.68.67] has joined #t2 06:43 < c4y0> hi 06:46 < mnemoc_> hi c4y0 06:47 < c4y0> =) 07:18 -!- c4y0 [~cmora@200.75.68.67] has quit ["BitchX-1.0c20cvs -- just do it."] 08:33 -!- minto_ [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 08:37 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr 08:39 < rxr> mnemoc_: hm - never had this ... yet - is the CPP_WRAPPER new ? 08:40 < rxr> mnemoc_: I know the transset problem - we can not fix this - my plan was to push the file to the mirror manually ... 09:01 < rxr> mnemoc_: regarding unionfs I did not found the real problem - however you cross compiler got defect - not looking into build/.../ for heards - I saw this before - this seems to happen sometimes when the build already was in the chroot 09:01 < rxr> mnemoc_: I assumed any package will fail and unionfs just build in your next fresh bzuild 09:07 < minto_> moin 09:17 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.45] has joined #t2 09:21 < rxr> hi minto_ and mnemoc_ 09:30 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.45] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:20 -!- _jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 11:20 -!- _jeru is now known as jeru 11:20 < jeru> moin 11:21 < minto_> Hi jeru 11:21 < jeru> hi minto_ :) 11:21 < minto_> jeru lives in berlin ? 11:22 < jeru> minto_: yep 11:22 < jeru> why ? 11:22 < minto_> Seems most T2 people are from Berlin. 11:22 < jeru> hmmm ... not the most ... but a few ;) 11:23 < jeru> I know 3 (including me) 11:23 < minto_> How about susan? 11:23 < jeru> minto_: ahhh 4 11:23 < minto_> :-) 11:23 < jeru> mea culpa 11:24 < minto_> You guys (and girl) need some competition. Let's see If I can find some more here in Amsterdam. 11:24 < jeru> hehe :) 11:25 < minto_> Berlin vs Amsterdam :-) 11:25 < jeru> minto_: the old fight germany vs. oranje ? ;) 11:25 < minto_> Yeahhh :-D 11:26 < jeru> minto_: but we're not playing soccer ,) 11:26 < minto_> All of germany, than i am definetly outnumbered. 11:26 < minto_> Some people forget it is all a game. 11:26 < jeru> minto_: you remember our disussion about money ? 11:27 < minto_> Yepp 11:27 < minto_> You have to much of it? 11:27 < jeru> that's one problem of the "game" 11:27 < minto_> I'll give you my bank account. 11:27 < minto_> :-) 11:28 < jeru> ok give it to me, let's see how much is on it ;) 11:28 < minto_> Most people forget that you can win by losing. 11:28 < jeru> minto_: btw, does jabberd works well ? 11:29 < minto_> It compiles 11:29 < minto_> Running is left for later. I need some additional stuff. 11:29 < jeru> minto_: ok ... that was the first hurdle 11:30 < minto_> I think the init is not properly set up. It does not yet start in the jabber account. 11:30 < minto_> Next on my list is some java stuff and GForge. 11:31 < minto_> When I have done GForge I want to create a target for setting up a system with GForge, Jabberd, Subversion and Mailman. It should become a full collaboration system. 11:33 < jeru> minto_: sounds nice 11:34 < minto_> I propably need some help though. 11:34 < minto_> It will be my first target and I am not that profound setting up linux. 11:34 < jeru> minto_: I think you'll get some here ... :) 11:34 < minto_> :-) I was hoping so. 11:36 < minto_> Could I get your CF-IDE thing, even if it is not yet cleaned up? 11:38 < jeru> minto_: I'll migrate to the embedded target from rxr. You better use the embedded as base if you want to do sth with a CF. 11:38 < minto_> I will have a look there. 11:39 < jeru> minto_: it's allmost the same but the embedded stuff is a lot nicer and more readable than my dirty scripts ;D 11:39 < jeru> but same functionality 11:40 < jeru> and placing the image the embedded target creates is no problem 11:41 < jeru> but you've to consider that a CF has sth. like a live cycle of 100.000 write operations I think 11:42 < minto_> I now, I intend to use it mostly read-only. 11:42 < minto_> I want to use it to speed up booting. 11:43 < jeru> minto_: the best is to use it just read-only and doing write operations on a ramdisk or on a HDD 11:43 < minto_> And to make upgrading a system a snap, just replace the CF. 11:43 < jeru> hehe :) 11:47 < jeru> minto_: using minit should also reduce the boot time 11:47 < minto_> jeru: I will keep it in mind. 11:47 < jeru> minto_: but anyway embedded uses minit 11:48 < minto_> My embedded system will be a normal computer then :-) 11:48 < jeru> minto_: I think my bridging firewall test beast boots up in approx. 10-15sec 11:49 < minto_> That long. ;-) 11:49 < jeru> minto_: ok I'll improve it for you ;) 11:50 < minto_> Just kidding 11:51 < minto_> jeru: Another project I'd like to do is create a little easy backup fileserver. 11:51 < minto_> http://www.etrunk.com.tw/en/db_3022.html 11:52 < jeru> click 11:52 < minto_> Backup by replacing one drive and store it in safe place. 11:53 < jeru> looks nice 11:54 < minto_> http://www.deonet.nl/ is the same thing. I alreay have this one at home. 11:56 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8247 /trunk/package/graphic/fyre/ (. fyre.desc): * added fyre (1.0.0) 11:57 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8248 /trunk/package/graphic/exrtools/ (. exrtools.desc): * added exrtools (0.4) 12:38 < CIA-9> msluis * r8249 /trunk/package/java/maven/ (. maven.conf maven.desc): * added maven 2 (2.0-alpha-1) 12:38 < CIA-9> msluis * r8250 /trunk/package/java/maven1/ (. maven1.conf maven1.desc): * added maven 1 (1.0.2) 13:49 -!- [g2] [~g2@g2.nslu2-linux] has joined #t2 13:52 < [g2]> what's up with the ARM/Xscale support for T2 ? 13:53 < jeru> [g2]: don't know if it was tested yet, but it should be possible 13:54 < jeru> [g2]: if you've some hardware on hand ... just build a target and test it ;) 14:00 -!- rxr_ [~rene@e178166245.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 14:00 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 14:00 -!- Topic set by valentin [] [Sun Apr 10 22:39:26 2005] 14:00 [Users #t2] 14:00 [ [g2] ] [ Davidcc6] [ minto_] [ nzg ] [ sepp ] 14:00 [ _Ragnar_] [ jeru ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 14:00 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw_ ] [ mtr ] [ rxr_] 14:00 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 14:00 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 14:00 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 14:00 < jeru> [g2]: I think t2 could be a good choice for your development 14:00 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 10 secs 14:01 < jeru> hi rxr_ 14:01 < [g2]> Well I'm interested in learning more about SDE 14:01 < jeru> [g2]: then you're at right location 14:02 < [g2]> I talked to somebody 6 months ago in another channel about T2 but I forget who it was 14:02 < jeru> rxr_: [g2] asks for arm/xscale support in t2. what's the status? 14:02 < [g2]> It was either #uclibc, #gentoo-embedded or something along those lines 14:03 < jeru> [g2]: I guess it was on #uclibc 14:04 -!- mubex [~mubex@64.237.132.6] has joined #t2 14:10 < [g2]> A more general question is how much cross building experience does T2 have ? 14:11 -!- rxr [~rene@e178133161.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:14 < [g2]> how out-of-date is the t2-handbook ? 14:15 < sepp> huhu 14:15 < jeru> hi sepp 14:16 < jeru> [g2]: the handbook should be ok for the most important things 14:16 < sepp> hmm, how can i set a env. var like $QTDIR in a package? 14:17 < sepp> so that it is system wide if someone installs the pkg ... 14:17 < jeru> [g2]: but we had slightly changes regarding the location of config files 14:20 < jeru> sepp: you can set vars like in a shell. or what do you mean ? 14:21 < sepp> jeru: i mean that the var is set if you install the pkg, like qt it sets QTDIR 14:22 < jeru> sepp: cat /etc/profile.d/qt3 14:23 < sepp> ahh thanks 14:23 < jeru> sepp: no problem :) 15:07 -!- [g2] [~g2@g2.nslu2-linux] has left #t2 ["Leaving"] 15:20 < rxr_> re 15:20 -!- You're now known as rxr 15:21 < jeru> hi rxr 15:21 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0504/37496.html 15:21 < rxr> hehe 15:22 < jeru> rxr: [g2] asked for arm/xscale support in t2. what's the status? He told me he is the release manager for -> http://www.nslu2-linux.org 15:22 < rxr> arm is supported 15:22 < rxr> the psion target does e.g. base on it 15:23 < rxr> however noone tested xscale so far 15:24 < jeru> rxr: well, that's what I told him 15:24 < rxr> hehe 15:24 < rxr> I did ont imagine golem would pick the release - but good to see that they did ,-) 15:25 < jeru> :) 15:25 < jeru> rxr: [g2]: if you've some hardware on hand ... just build a target and test it ;) 15:46 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.132.6] has joined #t2 15:46 < jeru> rxr: auto eth0 (default) should be correct, or isn't it ? 15:46 < sparc-kly> root@sparc t2-trunk # ./scripts/Config -cfg system 15:46 < sparc-kly> Creating configuration script. 15:46 < sparc-kly> T2 2.1.0-rc2 configuration ... 15:46 < sparc-kly> ./scripts/Config: line 118: 19012 Segmentation fault "$0" -cfg $config $oldconfig $profile $nobashmod -cycle 15:46 < jeru> rxr: if I have -> interface eth0 (default) 15:47 < sparc-kly> what is my problem 15:47 < jeru> sparc-kly: what's your host system ? 15:48 < jeru> sparc-kly: debian ? 15:48 < sparc-kly> Sun Ultra 2 15:48 < sparc-kly> gentoo 15:49 < sparc-kly> and my kernel is : 15:49 < rxr> sparc-kly: your compiler should not be defect ... 15:49 < rxr> you can try ./scripts/Config -nobashmod 15:49 < rxr> os the bash plugin is not built 15:49 < sparc-kly> ./scripts/Config -nobashmod 15:49 < rxr> however it might get you other trouble thereafter 15:49 < jeru> sparc-kly: forget about building it on gentoo atm, It worked some time ago but now I've problems building t2 on gentoo. 15:50 < rxr> jeru: you build on gentoo ? 15:50 < sparc-kly> hey ./scripts/Config -nobashmod 15:50 < sparc-kly> run fine 15:50 < sparc-kly> :D 15:50 < rxr> sparc-kly: I know that sparc issue - rm -rf gentoo and use a serious and stable base system 15:50 < jeru> rxr: I had build a t2 target on gentoo, but now it's not working 15:50 < rxr> sparc-kly: I doublt your compiler is healthy enough to build T2 ... 15:51 < rxr> however you can now configure the build ... 15:52 < sparc-kly> serious and stable base system 15:52 < sparc-kly> humm 15:52 * jeru thinks: mv gentoo /dev/null 15:52 < sparc-kly> give me example 15:54 < sparc-kly> t2 dont have sparc isos . 15:54 < jeru> sparc-kly: if you have a fast sparc screaming machine you can build some ;) 15:54 < mnemoc> re 15:54 < jeru> oh welcome master mnemoc 15:54 < jeru> :) 15:55 < rxr> sparc-kly: yeah - that is a point - I should start releasing SPARC ISOs - too bad I can't clone myself ... 15:55 < rxr> hey mnemoc ! 15:55 < mnemoc> hi rxr 15:56 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you suggest to trace/fix (or workaround) my problem? 15:57 < sparc-kly> my slow sparc is dual 200mhz :D 15:58 < sparc-kly> hi mnemoc 16:00 < rxr> mnemoc: which problem was that? 16:00 < sparc-kly> xeon is more fast than amd64 ? 16:02 < jeru> sparc-kly: It depends ... 16:03 < jeru> sparc-kly: XEON is sth lika a born dead ;) 16:04 < mnemoc> rxr: uni*fs and glibc thing 16:04 < mnemoc> most xeon is on last P4-s, but a 2xXeon is something nice to have 16:05 < rxr> why do you get a 0-glibc build? 16:05 < jeru> mnemoc: but a Dual-Opteron should outperform an Dual-Xeon ;) 16:05 < rxr> do you start from scratch ? 16:06 < mnemoc> rxr: around rev 8000 i started from zero 16:06 < mnemoc> and it build perfecting on my 8080 resync 16:06 < mnemoc> but not on the next 16:06 < mnemoc> perfectly* 16:06 < rxr> still - how exactly got you the 0-glibc trouble ? 16:07 < sparc-kly> i have root access in one server in my university . this is a dell 2.8ghz Xeon . 16:07 < mnemoc> rxr: configure screaming about cpp insanity (can't fin limits.h) 16:07 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/ref/log/1-glibc.err 16:08 < mnemoc> and inside config.log..... minute 16:08 < rxr> I read - but was it a build from scratch or some Create-ErrList -newdelte or so = 16:08 < rxr> ? even 16:08 < mnemoc> -newdelete 16:08 < rxr> AFAICS unionfs is also from a corrupted croscc 16:08 < mnemoc> uhm 16:08 < rxr> mnemoc: well - I think something in your tools.cross got corrupted 16:08 < rxr> no idea why and how and when ... 16:08 < mnemoc> -remove gcc ? 16:09 < rxr> maybe rebuild 0-* ? 16:09 < mnemoc> just rm 0-* ? 16:09 < rxr> I just started a fresh desktop build let's see how this goes ... 16:09 < rxr> mnemoc: valentin and I will get less to be happy but enough to live for a germany magazine to get them a good desktop system / live-cd 16:10 < rxr> this will include at least a live-cd rewrite and ooo fixing 16:10 < rxr> plus a lot more ... 16:10 < mnemoc> payed?? 16:10 < rxr> should we branch 2.1 before? 16:10 < rxr> that is this weekened ? 16:10 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - but as I wrote only the tiny ammounted we need to consider doing it at all ... 16:10 < mnemoc> what about branching 2.2 until... rc2? 16:10 < rxr> not getting rich - just paying my flat that is 16:11 < mnemoc> rxr: pay the flat doing T2 is a great begining 16:11 < rxr> yep 16:11 < rxr> and contributing to your work getting ooo build ... ,-) 16:12 < mnemoc> i have m90 on my reference if you want to 'take' the patch 16:12 < rxr> as well as getting a good live-cd and a well integrated desktop target 16:12 < rxr> mnemoc: how long does it build until it hits some error =? 16:12 < mnemoc> previous error is a 'known bug', but i'm not sure if the bug is on our rpm or inside ooo 16:12 < rxr> also 12h ? 16:12 < mnemoc> 1-glibc 16:12 < mnemoc> 4-5 hours 16:13 < rxr> hm - previously it built 12h ... no? 16:13 < mnemoc> ooo? i was talking about 1-glñibc :p 16:13 < mnemoc> ooo took 15 once, but my last time it took only 2 to fail 16:13 < mnemoc> using sun-jdk 16:14 < mnemoc> and extra 512 on ram 16:14 < mnemoc> 15@(kaffe+256) == 2@(sun-jdk+256+512) 16:16 < minto_> mnemoc: I plan on adding sun jdk and jre 1.4.2 as well for both x86 and ia64 (the only ones available on sun site). 16:17 < minto_> after that J2EE sdk 1.4 16:17 < mnemoc> no OOo for sparc on sun' site? 16:19 < mnemoc> rxr: i have transset on my mirrors 16:20 < mnemoc> rxr: stage-0 rebuilding 16:27 < rxr> my build is in 1-glibc now ... 16:28 < rxr> ok - just phoned with the mgazine 16:28 < rxr> we have that project ... 16:28 < mnemoc> :D 16:28 < mnemoc> will they distribute the live-cd you will create? 16:28 < rxr> that means nearly full time work for the next 4 weeks on T2 - getting a state of the art LiveCD including graphical installed, graphical network frontend, good desktop integration (DBUS, HAL, ...) OOO and the other stuff around ... 16:29 < rxr> yes - it will be in the magazine - and the source of course in T2 ... ,-) 16:29 < jeru> :D 16:29 < rxr> including some T2 articles on the way ... 16:30 < mnemoc> rxr: that will be great PR 16:30 < mnemoc> rxr: and non-osX money for you :) 16:30 < rxr> yeah ... 16:30 < rxr> hm - somehow my E17 got corrupted ... 16:32 < rxr> mnemoc: have you seen: http://www.golem.de/0504/37496.html 16:33 < jeru> rxr: nice PR but it's in german ;) 16:33 * jeru is uploading T2 packages to his broken server 16:34 < rxr> yeah - I Bcc'ed way moer sites - but not all pick it up ... 16:34 < rxr> we need to get on more project sites in the including in this and that distribution sections ... 16:34 < jeru> let's see if this mnemosyne thing will work ;) 16:36 < jeru> mnemoc: btw, php doesn't compile on mnemosyne because it doesn't find libjpeg, libpng, netpbm ... should I commit the changes ? 16:41 * jeru wants to have an E2 at home too. Upload is quite well :) 16:48 * rxr tea 16:52 < mnemoc> jeru: sure, fix it 17:28 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8251 /trunk/package/graphic/pixie/ (. location.patch pixie.conf pixie.desc): * added pixie (1.4.1) 17:34 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.132.6] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 18:00 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.11.202] has joined #t2 18:00 < keinek> hi 18:02 < mnemoc> hi keinek 18:06 < jeru> so have to move home quickly ... cu * later 18:08 -!- jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has left #t2 [] 18:26 < mubex> hi keinek 18:26 -!- mubex is now known as sparc-kly 18:27 < keinek> hi sparc-kly 18:57 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.132.6] has quit ["change irc client"] 18:58 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.132.6] has joined #t2 19:01 -!- Goshawk [~Goshawk@host182-46.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has joined #t2 19:01 -!- Goshawk [~Goshawk@host182-46.pool8251.interbusiness.it] has left #t2 ["Leaving"] 19:03 -!- _jeru [~jeru@p54BFD785.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 19:04 < _jeru> re 19:04 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.45] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 19:06 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.8] has joined #t2 19:08 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.195.208.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 19:08 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@64.237.132.6] has quit ["BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it."] 19:13 < minto_> _jeru: Did some shopping again, didn't you? 19:14 < minto_> ... is watching you 19:15 < _jeru> minto_: damn ... you got me. but I've to go shopping everyday because my critter needs some food. ,) 19:15 < minto_> How many critters do you have? 19:16 < _jeru> just one ... but it's enough 19:16 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.208.18.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 19:16 < minto_> How old is yours? 19:17 < minto_> Maybe we can organize some T2 critter party soon. 19:17 < _jeru> minto_: don't know ... approx. 1.5 years old 19:17 < minto_> Same as mine. 19:18 < _jeru> minto_: but critte in my case isn't a child .... ,) 19:18 < minto_> Ahh, my resources must have misinformed me. 19:18 < _jeru> minto_: seems so .... It's a rabbit :) 19:19 < minto_> jeru = bugs bunny :-D 19:19 < _jeru> minto_: yeah :D ... he is a "relict" from my ex girlfriend 19:20 < minto_> Hmm, she left something! What did she take instead? 19:20 < _jeru> minto_: foxy you are ;) 19:20 < _jeru> minto_: my old laptop 19:21 < minto_> Bad trade. a bunny for a laptop. 19:21 < _jeru> minto_: no no ... 19:22 < minto_> never mind we have X-mas again this year ;-) 19:22 < minto_> Sorry, you probably love your bunny. 19:22 < _jeru> minto_: indeed it was an old Thinkpad 760 but with a Pentium233MMX 19:23 < _jeru> minto_: and yes ... I love this small guy 19:24 < _jeru> minto_: but btw, I've nothing against a T2 "critter" party 19:24 < minto_> I know of 3 but there soon will be a 4th. 19:24 < _jeru> minto_: I think this could be a nice party ... :) 19:24 < minto_> mnemoc 2, me 1 and soon valentin 19:24 < sepp> i have a teddy bear, does this count? 19:24 < _jeru> sepp: ok 19:25 < minto_> sepp: Why not, critters, bunnies and bears. A happy party it will be. 19:30 < mnemoc> :) 19:43 < CIA-9> msluis * r8252 /trunk/package/java/sun-jre-150/sun-jre-150.conf: * improved flist, now proper copy instead of move. 19:44 < CIA-9> msluis * r8253 /trunk/package/java/sun-jre-142/ (. extract-x86.diff sun-jre-142.conf sun-jre-142.desc): * added another sun jre (1.4.2_08) 19:46 < _jeru> how can I build mine statically ? 19:46 < CIA-9> msluis * r8254 /trunk/package/java/sun-jdk-142/ (5 files): 19:46 < CIA-9> * added another sun jdk (1.4.2_08) 19:46 < CIA-9> * now includes java support for ia64 19:46 < minto_> mnemoc: Do you want this java stuff as well? 19:47 < mnemoc> sun 1.4?? 19:47 < mnemoc> why not blackdown? 19:47 < mnemoc> but yes, i want every file i need to do the reference build 19:48 < minto_> blackdown does not have ia64 19:49 < mnemoc> ic 19:49 < minto_> I want to install sun j2ee app server as well. I think it depends on 1.4.2 but might work with blackdown as well. Still I think sun 1.4 is newer than blackdown 1.4 20:11 < CIA-9> amery * r8255 /trunk/package/archiver/mine/install_static.patch: * changed `mine` to install it's static version too (NOT TESTED) 20:11 < mnemoc> minto_: j2ee can be a good think to have 20:13 < rxr> re 20:13 * mnemoc hides 20:14 < rxr> mnemoc: why ? 20:14 < mnemoc> 8255 :p 20:14 < mnemoc> i'm not sure if /bin is the right place for mine.static 20:15 < _jeru> ohoh ! I'm guilty ! 20:15 < mnemoc> :) 20:15 < _jeru> rxr: please consider! mnemoc was just the helping hand :) 20:16 < mnemoc> _jeru! and our plone? 20:16 < _jeru> mnemoc: will be copied on the "new" server 20:16 < _jeru> I mean ... my local copy 20:16 < _jeru> of the T2 website 20:17 < mnemoc> we need to add some content before rc1 release :) 20:18 < mnemoc> multilanguage content ;) de/en/sp 20:18 < mnemoc> .oO( what those people speak in cameroon? )o 20:18 < rxr> hehe 20:18 < _jeru> and I've to get my server up and running today! so the chance are quite good for getting a test site today late in the evening! 20:19 < mnemoc> go go go 20:19 < minto_> multilanguage +/nl 20:19 < mnemoc> :) 20:19 < _jeru> mnemoc: there is full i18n support 20:19 < _jeru> ok nl too 20:19 < mnemoc> _jeru: don't forget we need versionable content 20:20 < _jeru> mnemoc: what do you mean exactly ? 20:20 < mnemoc> diff and revert 20:21 < _jeru> mnemoc: my thoughts are, to place documentation, handbooks, etc. on the filesystem. so we can sync the stuff via svn! 20:21 < mnemoc> :D 20:22 < _jeru> mnemoc: if we use sth. like ReSt for our documentation it should be possible to have nice rendered webpages. 20:22 < _jeru> and PDF, PS, etc. 20:23 < mnemoc> i trust plone can help us a lot 20:24 < _jeru> yep 20:27 < CIA-9> msluis * r8256 /trunk/package/java/blackdown-jre/blackdown-jre.conf: * improved flist for blackdown, now proper copy instead of move. 20:27 < _jeru> btw, what about new user subscription policies? Should anyone be able to create an user account on the t2 plone site ? 20:27 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8257 /trunk/package/graphic/nip2/ (. nip2.desc): * added nip2 (7.10.10) 20:27 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8258 /trunk/package/graphic/vips/ (. vips.desc): * added vips (7.10) 20:28 < mnemoc> _jeru: i'm a wiki man, i love openness 20:28 < mnemoc> _jeru: that's why i need versionable content :) 20:28 < _jeru> mnemoc: ok, then we# 20:28 < _jeru> we'll need some fine grained user control ;) 20:29 < mnemoc> yep 20:29 < _jeru> LDAP ? 20:29 < mnemoc> i don't think we need LDAP for this 20:29 < _jeru> not yet ;) 20:30 < mnemoc> but if you prefer.... you will set it, no me, so.... it's up to you :) 20:31 < _jeru> mnemoc: but you have to help with administration, that's for sure ;) 20:31 < _jeru> rene told me he will not do plone administration ;) 20:32 * _jeru hides quickly 20:32 < mnemoc> no problem :) 20:32 < _jeru> hehe :) 20:34 < _jeru> mine.static is quite fat 20:34 < mnemoc> mine is fat 20:34 < _jeru> damn 20:34 < mnemoc> and badly designed 20:34 < _jeru> so tbz2 20:34 < mnemoc> bize :) 20:36 < rxr> re 20:36 < mnemoc> bize is a nice tool 20:36 < rxr> mnemoc: first thing to get rid of in 2.2 is mine ... 20:37 < _jeru> rxr: thank you :) 20:37 < mnemoc> even if we keep .gem support we need to get rid of mine 20:37 < _jeru> what is the plan ? 20:37 < mnemoc> a lib extending libtar 20:38 < rxr> mnemoc: .gem support? why? .tar.X with some key value ? no thanks 20:38 < rxr> good tar support and .lzo as additional compressor 20:38 < mnemoc> :) 20:39 < rxr> tar.{gz,bz2,lzo} 20:39 * mnemoc to lunch.... cu :) 20:39 < _jeru> cu 20:47 < minto_> Hmm, 20:47 < minto_> root@server:/manual/work# ./j2eesdk-1_4-linux.bin -console 20:47 < minto_> ./j2eesdk-1_4-linux.bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory 20:47 < minto_> libc is that bad??? 20:47 < sepp> its linked again old gcc 2.x libs ? 20:48 < minto_> What should I do now? 20:48 < sepp> libstc++ 20:49 < minto_> I only have a binary, downloaded straight from sun download site. 20:49 < minto_> Maybe I need to do some googling. 20:50 < sepp> use a new jre? 20:51 < minto_> sepp: No, the binary I downloaded is to install j2ee 1.4. It makes no sense to use jre for installing of j2ee. 20:52 < minto_> The binary needs to be executed to have j2ee installed. 20:53 < sepp> and you have a prog. that needs a old j* ? 20:56 < rxr> in the rock flyspray bug tracker there is a "add a old libstdc++ compat package" ... 20:56 < rxr> noone cared so far ... 21:04 < minto_> rxr: What do I need to do to get old libstdc++ support, and how much time would it roughly involve? 21:05 < rxr> taking gcc 2.95.3 and hack it to just build that library or so 21:05 < jsaw_> minto_: make a link from your current libstdc++-whatever to libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 an try again 21:05 < rxr> no idea - I never wanted to take a look 21:05 < rxr> I heared some commercial dists have such a library around - maybe you could get an inspiration look ... 21:06 < jsaw_> minto_: don't forget ldconfig... 21:08 < sepp> this should not work because of abi changes 21:13 < minto_> :-( Probably a lot of work then. 21:21 < rxr> hi jsaw_ ! 21:21 < rxr> you are fine ? 21:23 < jsaw_> hi rxr 21:23 < jsaw_> not really, stressed out... 21:25 < _jeru> jsaw_: anyway good luck for your thesis ;) 21:25 < jsaw_> :) thanks 21:26 < jsaw_> actually the only thing you really learn is "Frustrationstoleranz" (sth. like tolerance of frustration) .... ;] 21:26 < _jeru> minto_: btw ... we forgot to invent jsaw's kids for "T2 critters day" :) 21:27 < jsaw_> T2 critters day ? 21:28 < _jeru> jsaw_: now 6 kids, 1 bunny and a bear 21:28 < jsaw_> hehe 21:29 < _jeru> sepp: hope your bear isn't agressive! :) 21:30 < sepp> no its a normal teddy 21:30 < sepp> but i have a penguin on my desk 21:31 < sepp> a really old one, 20 years or so 21:31 < jsaw_> I can add another 20-40 (given up counting) soft toys... 21:32 < jsaw_> the only one I'll retain is the "black sheep" I got when I bought my IBM laptop 6 years ago... 21:33 < _jeru> so the party would be quite big if jsaw_ comes with his "relatives" :) 21:39 < jsaw_> :D 21:51 < rxr> some - people are freaky ... 21:51 < rxr> man ... 22:17 < mnemoc> hi 22:18 < minto_> hi mnemoc 22:18 < minto_> mnemoc: we already some j2ee 22:18 < minto_> We have jboss-as 22:19 < mnemoc> good :) 22:20 < minto_> However, the sun one probably gonna give me an headache 22:20 < mnemoc> don't you like to pain? 22:21 < minto_> Not in this case ;-) 22:21 < minto_> The installation is interactive 22:22 < minto_> jsaw: thanx for the hint, creating a link works for installation. 22:22 < jsaw_> :) 22:24 < mnemoc> hi jsaw_ 22:37 < sepp> but only for installation, right? 22:38 < mnemoc> the symlink? i assume runtime will also depend on that .so 22:39 < sepp> but abi changes in libstdc++ (2.9X -> 3.4) should not work 22:39 < minto_> Sun Java app server just started with success. But I don't know if all functionality works. 22:39 < mnemoc> damn closed software 22:39 < minto_> Maybe the installer only use a tiny fraction of the abi. 22:40 < sepp> am i wrong with the c++ abi thing? 22:41 < minto_> Apparently, It is installed and it runs. 22:41 < sepp> strange 22:42 < minto_> Yepp 22:42 < minto_> Normally it is the other way around. You expect something to work and it doesn't. This time I did not expect it to work and it did. Software is so strange. 22:43 < mnemoc> have anyone used pxelinux.0? 22:43 < minto_> But if I want to wrap it in a package I still need to figure out how to handle the interactive part of the installer. 22:44 < mnemoc> is it binary? 22:46 < minto_> mnemoc: yes, unfortunately 22:46 < minto_> No like the jre and jdk that started with a script. This is fully binary. 22:46 < sepp> libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 was rh7.2 gcc2.96-98 really weird that it works 22:46 < minto_> s/No/Not 22:47 < mnemoc> minto_: uhm 22:48 < minto_> yess, uhmm and yuck 22:49 < minto_> I know a tool that could handle it, I just don;t know how it works and it depends on Tcl. 22:49 < minto_> it's called expect 22:49 < mnemoc> what does it do? 22:49 < minto_> It expects output and reacts on it. 22:50 < mnemoc> nice 22:50 < mnemoc> is it for automatized testing? 22:50 < minto_> http://expect.nist.gov/ have a look 22:50 < jsaw_> it's a bit more than you want... 22:51 < jsaw_> minto_: can't do it with bash? 22:52 < jsaw_> it doesn't open it's own pty, or? 22:52 < minto_> jsaw_: Can it? 22:52 < jsaw_> redirecting in/output..? 22:53 < minto_> Hmm, probably. I have to scan installer output and send the appropriate input 22:53 < jsaw_> of course, expect is easier... 22:53 < minto_> .. But depends on Tcl. 22:54 < minto_> I spend the last 4,5 years doing Tcl 22:54 < jsaw_> oh 22:54 < jsaw_> my knowledge of tcl is deeply buried 22:54 < minto_> I wouldn't be that bad. But the dependancy seems inappropriate hre 22:54 < minto_> s/hre/here 22:56 < jsaw_> the simplest solution might be: cat < (assuming it uses stdin/out) 22:57 < minto_> ??? 22:57 * minto_ thinks he is starting to become a bash pro when he gets this working. 22:59 < minto_> Ahh, minto just seems to see the light. 23:00 < minto_> I hope IBM Websphere is easier than this. (Next on my list) 23:07 < minto_> Well this needs to wait till tomorrow, sleep well all. 23:11 < rxr> cu minto_ 23:11 < rxr> sleep well, too 23:14 < _jeru> good night minto_ 23:29 -!- minto_ [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:30 < rxr> T2 | 2.1.0-beta3 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environm 23:30 < rxr> 22:53 < minto_> .. But depends on Tcl. 23:30 < rxr> 22:54 < minto_> I spend the last 4,5 years doing Tcl 23:30 < rxr> oops 23:30 < rxr> sorry 23:39 < sepp> good night all 23:39 < mnemoc> gn8 sepp 23:39 < rxr> n8 sepp 23:39 < _jeru> night sepp 23:40 < CIA-9> rene * r8259 /trunk/package/x11-ng/glitz/glitz.desc: * updated glitz (0.4.1-CVS -> 0.4.2-CVS) 23:45 < valentin> short hi 23:46 < CIA-9> jsaw * r8260 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomedb/forgotten-db-util-h.patch: * install gnome-db-util.h (needed by abiword) 23:47 < mnemoc> hi valentin 23:47 < jsaw_> rxr: that's nice: 690 builds total, 634 completed fine, 0 with errors. 23:47 < jsaw_> (desktop target) 23:47 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/ref/regressions.html 23:48 < valentin> hi jsaw_, mnemoc 23:48 < valentin> jsaw_: i am in saarbruecken 23:49 < jsaw_> valentin: hi. what are you doin there? 23:49 < valentin> visiting lars 23:49 < valentin> and his wife 23:49 < jsaw_> mnemoc: abiword should build now, i think 23:49 < jsaw_> valentin: ic 23:50 < rxr> hi valentin 23:50 < valentin> hi rxr 23:50 < mnemoc> jsaw_: after 8260? 23:50 < rxr> valentin: re have the cd thing then .. 23:50 < valentin> did you phone that drilling ? 23:50 < rxr> valentin: greetings to lars, pamela, ada, kerstin and whoever is lingernig around over there ... 23:50 < mnemoc> anyone know how to give io port to etherboot? 23:50 < rxr> valentin: of course ... 23:50 < jsaw_> mnemoc: build/laptop-2.1.0-rc2-x86-pentium-mmx-desktop/var/adm/logs/5-abiword.log 23:50 < valentin> btw: lars realy has beta-3 23:51 < jsaw_> 'nough distraction, cu all 23:51 < valentin> cu jsaw_ 23:51 < valentin> greetings back 23:53 < mnemoc> jsaw_: libgnomedb and abiword rescheduled --- Log closed Fri Apr 15 00:00:04 2005