T2 IRC Log: 2005-04-17

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--- Log opened Sun Apr 17 00:00:04 2005
00:24 < CIA-9> chris * r8293 /trunk/package/base/linux24/linux-conf.in: * fixed linux-conf.in to construct the right extraversions
00:24 < mnemoc> thanks!
01:03 < mnemoc> jeru: are you around?
01:08 < keinek> my 2nd build of T2 is installing ok, in my old athlon 750 :)
01:09 < mnemoc> :)
01:16 < mnemoc> jeru: are you around?
01:21 < mnemoc> jeru: :(
01:21 < jeru> yep
01:21 < jeru> what's wrong
01:22 < mnemoc> :D
01:22 < mnemoc> plone
01:22 < mnemoc> i have a zope running
01:22 < jeru> cool
01:22 < jeru> :D
01:22 < mnemoc> but i don't see plone on products list
01:23 < jeru> have you installe plone package ?
01:23 < mnemoc> yep
01:23 < jeru> have you done mkzopeinstance ?
01:23 < mnemoc> yep
01:24 < mnemoc> i have it running
01:24 < jeru> have adjusted the "effective-user" in zope conf ?
01:24 < mnemoc> yep
01:24 < mnemoc> 2005-04-16T19:02:42 INFO(0) Zope Ready to handle requests
01:24 < jeru> cd {yourinstancehome}
01:25 < mnemoc> /var/opt/zope/client/intranet
01:25 < jeru> cd /var/opt/zope/client/intranet/Products
01:26 < mnemoc> empty
01:26 < mnemoc> but plone is global, isn't it?
01:26 < jeru> no
01:26 < jeru> you have to copy or linkit there
01:26 < mnemoc> oh
01:26 < jeru> but wait
01:27 < jeru> what other products do you have ?
01:27 < mnemoc> i see 20 products on the manager
01:27 < jeru> archetypes ?
01:28 < mnemoc> Product Management at /Control_Panel/Products
01:28 < mnemoc> 20 items there
01:28 < mnemoc> nothing say "archetype"
01:28 < jeru> install following packages please
01:28 < jeru> archetypes
01:29 < jeru> atcontenttypes
01:29 < mnemoc> (don't forget ldap target)
01:29 < jeru> I know
01:29 < jeru> that's why you can't use the standard plone
01:30 < jeru> placelesstranslationservice
01:30 < jeru> ^add it to the list
01:30 < mnemoc> i removed plone and i'm emerging it again, after that i'll ever everything you name here
01:49 < mnemoc> fsck!
01:49 < mnemoc> i got all products installed on /
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04:01 < mnemoc> gn8 *
04:01 < mnemoc> 0
04:04 < javito> gn8
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07:57 < rxr> re
07:58 < rxr> hm - my OOO build aborted with the same PL_* undefined references problem ...
08:01 < rxr> OO: build from 23:10 to 6:28
08:01 < rxr> ERROR-LOG is 33M
08:02 < rxr> and the flist rlog 1.6G
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08:24 < cybrjackle> if i'm sending in e-mail to the list, what is the addr
08:24 < cybrjackle> lists@exactcode.de
08:24 < cybrjackle> I tried that, but that seems to be the subscribe/unsubscribe
09:01 < rxr> yes
09:02 < rxr> the list address t2@exactcode.de
09:02 < rxr> the lists is for subscription management ...
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11:54 < CIA-9> rene * r8294 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ (ooo.conf ooo.desc):
11:54 < CIA-9> * cleaned up some whitespacing in ooo, removed unneeded backslash and
11:54 < CIA-9> icecream comment
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12:05 < CIA-9> rene * r8295 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf:
12:05 < CIA-9> * fixed ooo to build further by exporting DEFAULT_TO_ENGLISH_FOR_PACKING
12:05 < CIA-9> due to missing language packs in the the development version (?)
12:06 < rxr> hm - maybe OOO is installing now ...
12:06 < rxr> but I' not quite shure yet
12:07 < rxr> good that I made the flist wrapper large file save last night
12:07 < rxr> the fl_wrapper.rlog is already 1.9GB again ...
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12:30 < rxr> hi tilix
12:31 < tilix> hi
12:33 < tilix> rxr: is there a bootsplash support in T2?
12:34 < rxr> nope
12:34 < rxr> it is considered that ugly, especially by the upstream kernel people, that I'll not support it
12:35 < rxr> instead work is on the way to implement it "the right way (tm)" entirely in user space ...
12:36 < tilix> Have you seen Splashy? (http://wiki.nanofreesoft.org/index.php/Splashy). It`s entirely in user space.
12:36 < rxr> wow! OpenOffice just finished building ! Whohoo ....
12:38 < tilix> Which version? 2.0-beta?
12:38 < rxr> yep
12:38 < rxr> but now install breaks ...
12:39 < rxr> tilix: I one saw one other project doing it in user space
12:39 < rxr> but i'm not sure if it is the one you linked
12:39 < rxr> the url does not load on my side
12:39 < rxr> timeout ...
12:39 < rxr> ah - now it did
12:45 < rxr> well - maybe it is what I once daw already
12:45 < tilix> it requires GCC 4.0 :(
12:46 < rxr> oh .- why is that ?
12:46 < tilix> one of the authors is working on a new version, that will compile under GCC 3.x
12:48 < tilix> rxr: about this T2 2.2? that you mensioned on the mailing list - will you use GRUB for the livecd target, or isolinux?
12:49 < rxr> hm - that is not yet decided and is not the biggest design decision - why do you ask ?
12:50 < tilix> Grub gives more options than Isolinux (just asking). If you need any help with the design - I could help.
12:51 < rxr> are you already using T2 ?
12:52 < tilix> no, because my internet connection is too slow to download everything, but I`ll upgrade in some months
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13:13 < rxr> hi _jeru
13:13 [Users #t2]
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13:13 [ _Ragnar_] [ javito] [ mnemoc_] [ nzg ] [ valentin]
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13:14 < jeru> hi rxr :)
13:15 < jeru> rxr: btw, the radeon in my thinkpad seems to work more stable with the new kernel after you cleanup ;)
13:17 < rxr> hm - good ,-)
13:17 < CIA-9> rene * r8296 /trunk/scripts/Download: * fixed Download to continue working after a CVS error
13:19 < jeru> rxr: I've also an update for uml_utilities in my pipeline extending the linux with UML skas3 patch. It builds and works for 2.6, but I've some build problems for 2.4 because of squashfs patch
13:22 < jeru> rxr: to fix it we've to rewrite the squasfs pkg_linux_post.conf
13:22 < rxr> the patches are conflicting ?
13:23 < jeru> not really
13:23 < rxr> but ?
13:23 < jeru> we've to move the patching away from preconf
13:23 < jeru> I'll rewrite it, ok
13:31 < rxr> I still do not see why?
13:31 < rxr> what is the problem when the patches do not conflict ?
13:32 < jeru> they conflict in 2.4, I think due to the order of applying the patches
13:32 < rxr> if they conflict, the order should AFAIR not matter
13:32 < rxr> have you tried applying it in the other order manually ?
13:33 < jeru> not yet
13:33 < rxr> you should try before you start rewriting ...
13:34 < jeru> ok
13:38 < CIA-9> rene * r8297 /trunk/scripts/Download:
13:38 < CIA-9> * fixed the CVS checkout size sanity check to count files, instead
13:38 < CIA-9> of the blocks consumed by the compressed tarball - the whole blocks
13:38 < CIA-9> are too big for tiny checkouts such as transset and others
13:59 < rxr> OOO is a damn crap ...
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14:02 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
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14:32 < rxr_> re
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14:37 * javito wakes up
14:37 < javito> morning.
14:37 < javito> which gcc version are you actually using guys?
14:37 < javito> for building t2 from trunk
14:37 < rxr> 3.4.3
14:38 < javito> ok
15:02 < CIA-9> rene * r8298 /trunk/package/multimedia/mplayer/ (jack.patch mplayer.cache mplayer.desc rgb32to16.patch): * updated mplayer (1.0pre6a -> 1.0pre7)
15:15 < jeru> rxr: you're right regarding squashfs patch. resorting doesn't help. but anyway I've rewritten the pkg_linux*.conf. now it also includes the patch linux26-patches too
15:20 < rxr> hm
15:22 < jeru> rxr: I've to patch vserver for 2.4 for succesfully applying squashfs and vserver together
15:28 < CIA-9> chris * r8299 /trunk/package/network/nessus/nessus.desc: * added [U] to nessus.desc
15:29 < CIA-9> chris * r8300 /trunk/package/network/honeyd/honeyd.desc: * added libpcap to [E]
15:31 < CIA-9> chris * r8301 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Services/Web/PHP.ask: * added libjpeg, libpng, libtiff, netpbm to PHP pkgsel
15:31 < rxr> jeru: why r 8300 ?
15:32 < CIA-9> chris * r8302 /trunk/package/security/vserver/vserver.desc: * added [F] DIETLIBC
15:33 < jeru> rxr: 8300 -> honeyd needs libpcap
15:33 < jeru> or have I missed sth ?
15:37 < rxr> it does need it during compilation, right?
15:38 < rxr> and such it is detected at build time by the T2 sandbox - and thus no hardcoding needed ...
15:38 < rxr> why do you hardcode [E] tags ?
15:39 < jeru> rxr: please tell me the policies for [E] and I'll adjust my style ;)
15:40 < jeru> Dependencies
15:40 < jeru> In order to compile honeyd, you need the following libraries:
15:40 < jeru> libevent - an asynchronous event library.
15:40 < jeru> libdnet - the [not so] dumb network library.
15:40 < jeru> libpcap - a packet capture library.
15:41 < rxr> well - and?
15:41 < rxr> we do not hardcode dependencies manually
15:41 < jeru> ok
15:42 < rxr> aside that currently this ugly static priority is used for sorting, the dependencies are stored / cached in the cache file from the build system
15:42 < jeru> should I erase [E] completely ?
15:42 < rxr> the [E] is only for manual fine tuning ...
15:42 < rxr> better inject the .cache file from your build ...
15:42 < rxr> ../var/adm/cache/$pkg ,-)
15:43 < jeru> ok ;)
15:43 < rxr> yes - if all are detected at build time and your cache file has them, removing so obsoleted [E] tags would be nice
15:43 < jeru> [DEP] libdnet
15:43 < jeru> [DEP] libevent
15:43 < jeru> [DEP] libpcap
15:43 < jeru> [
15:43 < jeru> so I'll erase it
15:44 < rxr> well - they could also be in the cache due to your hardcoding - but if they are linked in by honeyd, they will be in the file automatically ...
15:44 < rxr> linked in as in gcc -lblablubs ... or header including ...
15:47 < jeru> but rebuilding the package should rebuild the cache file too, right ?
15:50 < CIA-9> chris * r8303 /trunk/package/network/honeyd/honeyd.desc: * removed [E] flag
15:52 < rxr> iyes
15:52 < rxr> I have to reboot my router
15:52 < jeru> good luck :)
15:52 < rxr> susan rendered the serial ports unresetable from userspace. ..
15:52 < rxr> no idea - why the damn kernel is that stupid ...
15:52 < rxr> anyway
15:52 < rxr> cu
15:52 < rxr> btw up 139 days ...
15:53 < jeru> hehe :)
--- Log closed Sun Apr 17 15:53:15 2005
--- Log opened Sun Apr 17 18:23:37 2005
18:47 < jeru> rxr: how can I manipulate the target dir "on-the-fly" while untaring an archive? I want to append versions e.g. dir "foo" in the tar should extracted to "foo-1.0"
18:54 < rxr> hm
18:55 < rxr> the only off hand hack
18:55 < rxr> mkdir foo-1.0
18:55 < rxr> ln -s foo-1.0 foo
18:55 < rxr> tar ...
18:55 < rxr> ,-)
18:55 < jeru> ,-)
19:10 < jeru> rxr: I want to integrate a generic install function for zope products into zope.conf and include zope.conf in {product}.conf. Do you see any problems for doing so ?
19:11 < jeru> or should I seperate it into a new file ?
19:33 < rxr> I'm not an zope expert ...
19:33 < rxr> no idea how they are distributed or configured / installed ...
19:33 < rxr> I think you will solder it together in some nice way ,-)
19:35 < jeru> ohhh .... ,-)
19:36 < jeru> I just thought .... it's better to have just one install function instead of copy & paste conf files ;)
19:50 < rxr> yes - install function sounds nice
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19:55 < minto_> Hi *
20:03 < mnemoc_> rehi
20:06 < mnemoc_> keinek: i'm finally listening red-handed :)
20:14 < rxr> hi
20:18 < mnemoc_> keinek: the word "software" needs to be refined, current pronuntiaton stinks :)
20:18 < mnemoc_> hi rxr
20:18 < minto_> hi rxr, mnemoc
20:18 < mnemoc_> hi minto_
20:18 * mnemoc_ to lunch brb
20:21 < minto_> I nearly have the Sun J2EE Application Server added. Only 2 issues need to be resolved.
20:21 < keinek> mnemoc_, :)
20:21 < keinek> now i was search for teleworking
20:22 < keinek> :D
20:22 < keinek> i found one job in the papers, near of my house, is for teaching repair PC, i think that i can do that.
20:22 < keinek> :)
20:23 < keinek> tomorrow i will go in the morning, meaby i found a new job.
20:23 < keinek> :)
20:24 < minto_> One issue is that I can not install Sun AS twice (with a remove in between) at the same location. The installation puts something in /var/tmp that does not get uninstalled by mine -r.
20:27 < minto_> The other one is that the installer seems to return 73 on succes. The Emerge-Pkg thinks this is an error and stops.
20:29 < minto_> Currently I run:
20:29 < minto_> $installer $install_options
20:29 < minto_> How can I wrap this command up so Package build does not stop?
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20:51 < rxr> re
20:53 < cyrus82> hello, its me again. I think i understood the basics of t2 now. But now i have another problem:
20:53 < cyrus82> root@cybox:~/t2/trunk# ./scripts/Config -cfg notebook
20:53 < cyrus82> Creating rockdialog tool.
20:53 < cyrus82> gcc misc/rockdialog/*.c -Imisc/rockdialog -lncurses -o src/rockdialog.bin
20:53 < cyrus82> Creating configuration script.
20:53 < cyrus82> T2 2.1.0-rc2 configuration ...
20:53 < cyrus82> Building src/config_helper.so.
20:53 < cyrus82> ./scripts/Config: line 118: 19318 Segmentation fault "$0" -cfg $config $oldconfig $profile $nobashmod -cycle
20:54 < cyrus82> whats up there? (im on another host system now)
20:54 < jeru> cyrus82: you answered the question already ;)
20:55 < cyrus82> ;) hey this is crazy.... dmesg shows this after executing the above:
20:55 < cyrus82> Config[20110]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 00002aaaaae99dc0 rsp 00007fffffffeea8 error 4
20:55 < cyrus82> is linux 2.6.11.6 on x86_64
20:56 < cyrus82> but everything else runs stable...
21:18 < mnemoc_> re
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21:18 < jeru> hi mnemoc :)
21:19 < mnemoc_> hi zope maintainer :)
21:19 < jeru> ohoh
21:19 * jeru hides
21:19 * mnemoc_ looks for jeru's body
21:20 < jeru> mnemoc_: the problem with plonenewsletter was a dumb thing
21:20 < mnemoc_> yes?
21:20 < mnemoc_> why does it want to be popoll?
21:20 < jeru> mnemoc_: hmmm .... damn cut and paste
21:20 < jeru> because it was popoll ,)
21:20 < mnemoc_> pff
21:21 < jeru> anyway ... I think it was a wrong commit
21:22 < jeru> mnemoc_: don't beat me please :)
21:22 < mnemoc_> nah
21:22 < jeru> mnemoc_: thx
21:22 < mnemoc_> i know you will fix it
21:22 < mnemoc_> before branching 2.1-stable
21:22 < jeru> I'm already writing a generic product function
21:22 < mnemoc_> what is today :)
21:22 < mnemoc_> good
21:23 < mnemoc_> zope-conf.in is the standarized name for it
21:24 < jeru> I have it at zope.conf now ... but will mv it
21:24 < jeru> thx ;)
21:24 < mnemoc_> :)
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21:44 * minto_ needs some help
21:45 < minto_> mnemoc_: I think i need some help.
21:46 < mnemoc_> tell me
21:46 < minto_> I am trying to the Sun J2ee Application Server added but I run into various problems.
21:47 < minto_> the one I had before is solved. the installer has a -console and -silent option.
21:47 < minto_> However it seems it needs to be run from the directory the installer is in.
21:48 < minto_> Oeps, I'll be right back
21:49 < minto_> Where was I
21:50 < minto_> The download is stored as .bin and I have autoextract=0
21:50 < minto_> How do run the installer from its own directory?
21:51 < minto_> Currently I run is with ../download/local/j/...
21:51 < minto_> Should I first copy it to builddir?
21:53 < minto_> mnemoc: ?
21:53 < mnemoc_> mom
21:53 < mnemoc_> ln it :)
21:54 < minto_> I will try.
21:54 < mnemoc_> if you don't alter .bin you don't need to duplicate it
21:55 < minto_> I am not altering it.
21:55 < minto_> Second. the installer returns 73 (whose should we hang for that) on success.
21:55 < minto_> How do I handle this in .conf
21:58 < mnemoc_> errno=$?
21:58 < mnemoc_> uhm
21:59 < mnemoc_> || true
21:59 < minto_> Hmm, I can try || true
21:59 < minto_> Currently I have the command wrapped up like this:
21:59 < minto_> $(./j2ee.installer $install_options)
21:59 < mnemoc_> but you need to determine if it really finished with 73 or != 73 i think
22:00 < minto_> So I need to wrap it up and do errno=$?
22:00 < mnemoc_> or echo $? and catch stdout
22:00 < minto_> catch stdout?
22:01 < minto_> What for?
22:02 < mnemoc_> echo $? will print you $?
22:02 < mnemoc_> foo=blah
22:03 < mnemoc_> ( foo=poink )
22:03 < mnemoc_> echo $foo
22:03 < mnemoc_> blah
22:04 < mnemoc_> to much noise to concentrate on explaning using english
22:04 < mnemoc_> if you (./j2ee.installer $install_options; errno=$? )
22:04 < minto_> Ahh, like ( ./j2ee.installer ...; echo $>
22:04 < mnemoc_> you won't see the value of errno outside
22:04 < minto_> You beat me
22:05 < minto_> I understand now.
22:05 < mnemoc_> so you somehow need: errno=$( ./j2ee.installer ...; echo $? )
22:05 < minto_> Thanks, I will try this first. Later I have another issue.
22:06 < mnemoc_> ok
22:06 < mnemoc_> if you are sure ./j2ee.installer will always succed
22:06 < mnemoc_> you can ./j2ee.installer || true
22:07 < minto_> I am not. I have ran it I think a 100 times and I did not always succeed.
22:07 < minto_> This bring me to the other issue.
22:08 < minto_> I do:
22:08 < minto_> Emerge-Pkg sun-as
22:08 < minto_> mine -r sun-as
22:08 < minto_> Emerge-Pkg sun-as
22:08 < minto_> The first is succes. The second fails.
22:08 < mnemoc_> o_O
22:08 < minto_> something is put in /var/tmp that does not get removed on mine -r
22:08 < minto_> is /var excluded from flist?
22:09 < mnemoc_> i think /var/tmp is
22:09 < minto_> How can I manually add the additional entries?
22:09 < minto_> in .conf script
22:10 < mnemoc_> flistadd
22:10 < mnemoc_> but /var/tmp is tempfs on many places
22:10 < minto_> What should I do then?
22:11 < minto_> Like it currently is I can not install sun-as in the same place twice.
22:11 < minto_> The installer detects a previous installation.
22:11 < rxr> re
22:13 < rxr> minto_ fixup after the java installer
22:13 < mnemoc_> .oO( /lib/t2/{pre,post}{install,remove}.d/$pkg/ )o
22:13 < minto_> Maybe I remove the /var/tmp stuf right away in the .conf script.
22:13 < rxr> Emerging installed packages should work fine
22:13 < minto_> rxr: fixup like removing the /var/tmp stuff
22:13 < mnemoc_> minto_: be carefull to only remove sun stuff
22:14 < rxr> minto_: yes - like that ,-)
22:14 < minto_> I wil. I can grep it from fl_wrapper I think.
22:14 < rxr> mnemoc_: ack
22:14 < rxr> oehm ...
22:14 < rxr> I would not grep from flist - but take a look what pattern is left there
22:14 < mnemoc_> minto_: if sun isntaller can recognize them, you too
22:15 < rxr> ,-)
22:16 < minto_> These files are put in /var/tmp:
22:16 < minto_> /var/tmp/Java_2_Platform__Enterprise_Edition_1.4_SDK_install.B04170946
22:16 < minto_> /var/tmp/Java_2_Platform__Enterprise_Edition_1.4_SDK_install.A04170946
22:16 < minto_> /var/tmp/Install_Application_Server_8PE_200504172146.log
22:16 < minto_> /var/tmp/productregistry
22:17 < rxr> ouhm - my god - my stomarch
22:18 < minto_> rxr: it gets worse. It has a return code of 73 for succes
22:18 < mnemoc_> SUN is special
22:18 < minto_> IBM is worse
22:19 < minto_> Their installer wont even start properly on a console
22:19 < mnemoc_> jikes has a normal install rutine
22:19 < minto_> Now I need GUI
22:19 < mnemoc_> :\
22:19 < minto_> It was IBM Websphere Application Server (Trial version).
22:20 < minto_> A whopping 300 Megs for a AppServer.
22:20 < minto_> Sun a mere 100 Megs
22:20 < mnemoc_> .oO( i guess i don't want that on T2 )o
22:20 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/Xng/
22:20 < rxr> please no news site forward ...
22:20 < rxr> (yet)
22:20 < minto_> And Jboss source is only 60 Megs
22:21 < mnemoc_> only?
22:21 < rxr> .oO
22:21 < minto_> Okay 59
22:22 < minto_> Yes but in that 59 all dependancy are included. Just like OpenOffice I think
22:23 < mnemoc_> i hate that
22:23 < minto_> Like this the java repository will be just as big as the rest of T2.
22:26 * mnemoc_ hates java
22:26 < rxr> hehe - /me too
22:26 < rxr> minto_: or OOO - building as long as the whole rest of my desktop target ....
22:29 < minto_> I think they include some random noise to have it look impressive. Maby the same for OOO. It burns a few extra cycles to show off.
22:29 < minto_> They probably get paid the microsoft way, with KLOCs
22:30 < minto_> Kilo Lines Of Code. They get paid for every 1000 lines of code. The more lines the higher the payment.
22:30 < mnemoc_> including comments :)
22:30 < minto_> In that case is should build fast. :-)
22:31 < minto_> So probably not.
22:31 < mnemoc_> :)
22:34 < minto_> Now I know why MS always ships their products a couple of months to late. The compiler hasn't finished.
22:34 < minto_> :-D
22:46 * jeru missed the java bashing :/
22:47 < minto_> jeru: Minto was not bashing, merely complaining about the size.
22:49 < minto_> mnemoc_: the installation was a sucess this time. I even have a 73
22:49 < mnemoc_> size and installers :)
22:49 < rxr> we will have over 1600 packages this night ...
22:50 < mnemoc_> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/ref/regressions.html <--- 1613
22:50 < rxr> # l */*/*.desc | wc -l
22:50 < rxr> 1616
22:51 < minto_> This calls for a celebration. Drinks are on me.
22:51 < rxr> + 2
22:51 < rxr> hehe
22:51 < rxr> i have to do late night new article writing in susan's kitchen ...
22:51 < rxr> I have yogi tea with me ...
22:51 < minto_> +1
22:53 < mnemoc_> :)
22:55 < rxr> mnemoc_: have you read my OO built
22:55 < rxr> (but failed to install)
22:56 < mnemoc_> .oO( should i reschedule my gconf? should i reschedule _everything_ ?
22:56 < rxr> and I hacked the only build error manually - in 1 1/2 hours of grepping I did _not_ find the place to inject the fix ...
22:56 < rxr> mnemoc_: no idea
22:56 < rxr> it was a in-system build
22:56 < rxr> so not t2 HEAD ...
22:56 < rxr> none of my four OOO in-system builds failed at this gconf thing ...
22:57 < mnemoc_> rxr: ./patches/src680/apply is the key
22:57 < mnemoc_> i do patch it on package/office/ooo/t2-distro.patch, and there we can add t2-only patches
22:58 < rxr> mnemoc_: nope
22:58 < rxr> you misunderstodd me
22:58 < rxr> I did not even find the place to _patch_
22:58 < rxr> tweak - modify
22:59 < rxr> I did not found where the h*ll the defect was _caused_ so no place top atch ...
22:59 < mnemoc_> aaa. ok
22:59 < rxr> I have to understand this strange build mess some other day ...
22:59 < mnemoc_> i though you didn't find the place to make ooo-build patch the source
22:59 < rxr> I needed up calling gcc manually and placing the object at the place ...
22:59 < rxr> I did not found where the defect gcc called was invoken ...
22:59 < rxr> s/needed/ended/
23:00 < mnemoc_> #OpenOffice.org , ask for rene
23:00 < mnemoc_> :)
23:01 < mnemoc_> he thinks everyone who ask something is a jerk but in the very deep, he is a nice guy
23:02 < mnemoc_> s/ but/. but/
23:02 < rxr> mnemoc_: hm ?
23:02 < mnemoc_> rene@ooo is the only person i know who knows that mess
23:03 < mnemoc_> who understand it*
23:03 < rxr> ah - I feared you meant me ....
23:03 < mnemoc_> but he thinks everyone who ask something is dumb
23:03 < mnemoc_> nah
23:03 < mnemoc_> rene@ooo != rxr@t2 :)
23:03 < rxr> yeah - all fine ,-)
23:04 < mnemoc_> somehow he remind me SMP :)
23:04 < rxr> well - SMP would be nice to have at t2, no ?
23:06 < rxr> mnemoc_: should I send the large file flist fix to #rock-devel? - or would that cause flamewars ?
23:06 < mnemoc_> send it :)
23:07 < rxr> with a request to keep the T2 Project copyright notice intact on their next CopyPatch run ?
23:07 < mnemoc_> i miss jimmy too
23:07 < mnemoc_> no, let see what they do
23:09 < CIA-9> rene * r8306 /trunk/scripts/Emerge-Pkg: * fixed Emerge-Pkg for multi package emerges
23:11 < mnemoc_> rxr: what about evil-to-auto-update packages?
23:11 < rxr> yeah - I blacklsit them ...
23:11 < rxr> (some tiem later
23:11 < rxr> )
23:11 < rxr> need to do work first ...
23:11 < mnemoc_> ok
23:11 < rxr> I just wanted to emerge bio2jack and xmms-jack to listen to music ...
23:12 < rxr> and that was a must fix for that ...
23:12 < mnemoc_> hehe
23:12 < mnemoc_> good motivation
23:12 < mnemoc_> jeru: have you reworked generic zope config?
23:13 < CIA-9> rene * r8307 /trunk/package/x11-modular/ (65 files in 22 dirs): (log message trimmed)
23:13 < CIA-9> * added xtrans (2005-04-16)
23:13 < CIA-9> * added render (2005-04-16)
23:13 < CIA-9> * added compositeext (2005-04-16)
23:13 < CIA-9> * added xextensions (2005-04-16)
23:13 < CIA-9> * added xext (2005-04-16)
23:13 < CIA-9> * added xcomposite (2005-04-16)
23:13 < mnemoc_> uhm?
23:13 < mnemoc_> 2.1?
23:13 < rxr> ^- installs into /opt/x11 by default ...
23:13 < rxr> mnemoc_: it does not harm ...
23:13 < mnemoc_> ok
23:13 < rxr> it is for eye candy - we might have it for advertising in 2.1 ...
23:14 < mnemoc_> ok
23:15 < rxr> if you need to you can O them by default ...
23:16 < mnemoc_> jeru: if they don't harm, no reason to have them optional
23:16 < mnemoc_> err
23:17 < mnemoc_> s/jeru/rxr/
23:18 < rxr> I thought so ...
23:18 < rxr> good to see others are to fast on tab -> enter, too
23:19 < mnemoc_> rxr: thinking in emerge-for-dummy, i think we may symlink /etc/ROCK-CONFIG into ./config/default if it doesn't exist and run Config -oldconfig each time
23:20 < mnemoc_> i need an 'smarter' tab
23:22 < mnemoc_> or auto-oldconfig if it's 'old' (1 day)
23:23 < minto_> time for bed, my commit has to wait. gn8 all.
23:23 < mnemoc_> due to a lack of update on my config i got plone packages installed at /
23:23 < mnemoc_> minto_: don't forget to upload java files on my box :)
23:25 < CIA-9> rene * r8308 /trunk/package/www/mozilla/mozilla.desc: * updated mozilla (1.7.6 -> 1.7.7)
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23:34 -!- ojh [~omer@71-34-244-75.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #t2
23:35 < rxr> mnemoc_: btw. I fixed the xvs checkout too smal problem
23:36 < mnemoc_> how?
23:36 < mnemoc_> ojh! long time without seeing you around
23:37 < mnemoc_> ojh: lazyfs and zeroinstall download problem was fixed, but they need a postlinux.conf to install their stuff
23:37 < mnemoc_> ojh: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/ref/regressions.html#lazyfs and #zeroinstall for the current patches (not yet on trunk)
23:38 < mnemoc_> i have to go
23:38 < rxr> cu mnemoc_
23:38 < jeru> cu mnemoc_
23:38 < ojh> mnemoc: Been busy. I'm taking some time to try to compile the latest T2 beta. How well is the minimal target working?
23:38 < ojh> Latter :)
23:38 < rxr> hm - minimal should do quite well
23:40 < ojh> THX for the ZeroInstall feedback, taking a look at the link.
23:42 < ojh> Mmmm, the error on LazyFS is "The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist.", is the kernel src not in /usr/src/linux/ ?
23:43 < ojh> I can specify using "--with-kernel" as a configure option.
23:44 < rxr> does lazy FS buld a kernel module
23:44 < rxr> ?
23:44 < ojh> Yes.
23:45 < ojh> It is a file system.
23:47 < rxr> aha - so we need to convert it to postlinux.conf - so the module is built for any kernel
23:47 < rxr> I can do it ...
23:48 < ojh> THX :)
23:57 < rxr> http://www.apple.com/macosx/newfeatures/over200.html
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