--- Log opened Thu Apr 21 00:00:39 2005
00:03 < mnemoc_> ip a s
00:05 < vircuser> oooh linux26 aborted 
00:06 < vircuser> make[2]: *** [drivers/ide/ide-disk.o] Error1
00:06 < vircuser> try again humm 
00:32 < vircuser> aaah finished trhat time  :-)
00:35 < vircuser> I don't want the 24kernel in there either, can I just delete that before I make the ISO?
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00:57 < mnemoc_> vircuser: add - linux24 to your pkgsel
00:59 < CIA-9> amery * r8402 /branches/sdecfg/: * created sdecfg branch to test ROCKCFG/SDECFG change
01:04 < jeru> what the hell is this ...
01:04 < jeru> mkdir: cannot create directory `/usr/src/t2/trunk/build/ccache-x86': File exists
01:04 < jeru> while running ./scripts/Build-Pkg
01:05 < mnemoc_> uhm
01:05 < mnemoc_> ar you at HEAD?
01:05 < jeru> I think so
01:07 < jeru> have disabled ccache for now ...
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01:09 < jeru> mnemoc_: zeo don't want to start in my UML :/
01:10 < mnemoc_> what reason?
01:10 < jeru> ZConfig.ConfigurationError: error opening resource file:///opt/zope/lib/python/ZEO/zeoctl.xml: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/opt/zope/lib/python/ZEO/zeoctl.xml'
01:11 < jeru> strange ... do we have xml support in mnemosyne ?
01:11 < mnemoc_> sure
01:12 < mnemoc_> jeru: on package/develop/ccache/parse-config, try commenting 24,25,26
01:13 < jeru> ok ... 
01:13 < jeru> I think I've found the other problem to o
01:14 < mnemoc_> zeo?
01:15 < jeru> let's see ... rebuilding libxml
01:15 < vircuser> oooh ok will try that 
01:15 < vircuser> whan you add to pkg sel that means that you omit that pkg?
01:16 < mnemoc_> yep
01:17 < vircuser> cool 
01:18 < vircuser> man take a little while to do the boot compile also. brr and I thought I was done :)
01:18 < mnemoc_> i'll be here a few more hours
01:20 < vircuser> Man I hope this works becuase I would love to have a system compiled for my specs with just what I want to use on it and no other cruft :) 
01:21 < mnemoc_> :)
01:21 < vircuser> I hate all the big bulky distros out there and believe me, I have tried them all. 
01:21 < mnemoc_> if you want something really yours, you have to define your own target
01:21 < vircuser> even the small ones have shit that I don't want in them 
01:21 < jeru> .oO(mnemoc is crazy) :)
01:21 < vircuser> and KDE brrrrrrr sorry but no thanks 
01:21 < mnemoc_> xfce :)
01:23 < keinek> Mmmm look
01:23 < keinek> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softlanding_Linux_System
01:23 < keinek> for my notebook
01:23 < CIA-9> amery * r8403 /branches/sdecfg/scripts/ (15 files): * changed scripts/ to use SDECFG
01:24 < vircuser> Yea I like xfce 
01:24 < mnemoc_> keinek: why not just a T2?
01:26 < vircuser> I'm kind of a ROX guy though 
01:26 < vircuser> I use ROX w/ Icewm and it works out pretty good and very small 
01:27 < vircuser> but thats what got me here. To make my own system with the smallest install possible  :)
01:28 < vircuser> how hard is it to go to Udev? or is it default now?
01:28 < CIA-9> amery * r8404 /branches/sdecfg/scripts/ (Build-Tools parse-config): * changed scripts/* to use SDEDEBUG instead of ROCK_DEBUG
01:28 < mnemoc_> vircuser: 2.1 is devfs, 2.2 is udev
01:28 < vircuser> is it hard to change with 2.1?
01:29 < vircuser> I'm compiling 2.1 beta4. I didn't see a 2.2?
01:30 < mnemoc_> vircuser: ask rxr about it... in about 6 hours about udev on 2.1
01:30 < vircuser> is that SVN I guess?
01:30 < mnemoc_> svn is 2.1
01:30 < vircuser> 2.2. must be the private stash  :-)
01:31 < mnemoc_> yep, 2.1 will get branched tomorrow so trunk will turn into 2.2
01:31 < mnemoc_> but 2.2 still vaporware
01:33 < vircuser> cool hope I can upgrade with no troube
01:33 < mnemoc_> we hope to also :)
01:35 < keinek> mnemoc_, i like t2, but t2 in floppy??
01:35 < keinek> i dont have cdrom
01:35 < keinek> or eth0
01:35 < keinek> or... ppp
01:35 < keinek> nothing
01:35 < keinek> only paralel port.
01:36 < keinek> and serial.
01:43 < mnemoc_> why not?
01:45 < CIA-9> amery * r8405 /branches/sdecfg/Documentation/Developers/ (PKG-BUILD-VARS PKG-FLAGS): * changed Documentation/ to tell about SDECFG instead of ROCKCFG
01:52 < keinek> i dont know how
01:52 < CIA-9> amery * r8406 /branches/sdecfg/target/ (33 files in 19 dirs): * changed target/* to use SDECFG and SDEDEBUG
01:53 < mnemoc_> keinek: don't you like adventures?
01:53 < keinek> yes but this...
01:58 < vircuser> brb :-)
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02:00 < keinek> i will use freeDOS
02:00 < keinek> :)
02:00 < keinek> some free pascal for DOs?
02:00 < keinek> anybody know someone?
02:01 < keinek> i will learn pascal with that notebook.
02:01 < keinek> :)
02:23 < jeru> good night *
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02:26 < mnemoc_> keinek: ask for pascal on freshmeat :)
02:28 < mnemoc_> keinek: http://www.freepascal.org/ looks good enough
02:32 < CIA-9> amery * r8407 /branches/sdecfg/architecture/ (47 files in 13 dirs): * changed architecture/* to use SDECFG
02:36 < CIA-9> amery * r8408 /branches/sdecfg/misc/ (16 files in 5 dirs): * changed misc/* to use SDECFG/SDEDEBUG
02:46 < CIA-9> amery * r8409 /branches/sdecfg/package/ (295 files in 143 dirs): * changed all package/* to use SDECFG and SDEDEBUG
03:19 < CIA-9> amery * r8410 /branches/sdecfg/scripts/ (Build-Target Config Download parse-config): * added automatized convertion for ROCKCFG to SDECFG if needed
03:34 < keinek> thanks mnemoc_ 
03:34 < keinek> :)
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04:59 < CIA-9> amery * r8411 /trunk/ (408 files in 182 dirs): 
04:59 < CIA-9> * merged r8403:8410 into trunk.
04:59 < CIA-9>  * ROCKCFG changed to SDECFG and ROCK_DEBUG to SDEDEBUG
04:59 < CIA-9>  * Includes autoconversion routines.
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07:24 < mnemoc_> gn8 *
07:25 < CIA-9> amery * r8412 /branches/sdecfg/: * removed sdecfg branch
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09:24 < rxr> re#
09:24 < rxr> moin 
09:42 < rxr> hi minto btw
09:49 < CIA-9> rene * r8413 /trunk/package/x11-modular/xserver/xserver.desc: 
09:49 < CIA-9> * updated xserver (2005-04-16 -> 2005-04-20) - to fix compilation with
09:49 < CIA-9>  MMX on x86
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09:52 < _jeru> hi *
09:55 < rxr> hi _jeru 
09:56 < _jeru> hi rxr 
09:56 < CIA-9> rene * r8414 /trunk/ (3 files in 3 dirs): * renamed FLWRAPPER_BASEDIR to FLWRAPPER_FILTERDIR, as announced
09:57 < rxr> ok - time for 2.1-stable branch now ,-)
09:58 < _jeru> rxr: SDECFG is functioning ?
09:59 < rxr> I just tested - so far it seems so ,-)
09:59 < rxr> jsaw_: have you solved your ccache dir exist issue last nigjt sss
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10:00 < jeru> rxr: yeah ... I removed it and started again
10:00 < jeru> but now my build stoped agian ...
10:01 < jeru> then I had problems with the asound patch in kernel-headers
10:02 < jeru> it seems that it didn't liked some comments from you in the patch, and though it was not applied
10:04 < jeru> btw, can I use my old config with the changes to SDECFG ?
10:06 < rxr> yes
10:06 < rxr> it will be coverted
10:06 < jeru> ok :)
10:08 < rxr> ooo fully builds now
10:08 < jeru> :D
10:36 < rxr> we chat quite a lot ,-)
10:36 < rxr> big logs ...
10:36 < rxr> many google hits ,-)
10:38 < rxr> hm veki is also hanging out in the rock channel ...
10:42 < jeru> rxr: also experience increased t2 google hits
10:43 < jeru> rxr: how can I easy build a single svn client statically ?
10:43 < rxr> in the past we had a package for it ...
10:43 < rxr> do you mean manually or via T2 ?
10:43 < jeru> the best would be with T2
10:44 < rxr> in a target or only once right now ?
10:44 < jeru> just now 
10:44 < rxr> then go to the expert section and enable the static option
10:44 < rxr> that should work IIRC
10:44 < rxr> however do not forget to disable it again afterwards
10:45 < jeru> ok ... will try ... thx :)
10:48 < jeru> rxr: does Build-Pkg -pkgdir means where to place the builded package ?
10:48 < jeru> don't want to overwrite my existing installation
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10:58 < rxr> I do not remeber -pkgdir off hand
10:59 < rxr> I would use -prefix=/opt/svn-static or whatever ...
11:01 < rxr> sorry for my lag right now
11:01 < rxr> writing bills and such ...
11:09 < rxr> so - now back to work
11:09 < rxr> optimizing the dependency tracking ...
11:14 < jeru> static build of svn doesn't work
11:15 < rxr> hm - in the past it did
11:15 < rxr> maybe the static switch is not working that great on svn - but I built static svn binaries in the past IIRC by just passing --enable-static or so or was it --with-static ...
11:15 < rxr> well - it was as easy as s.th. like the abopve
11:19 < jeru> rxr: you mean manually ?
11:19 < rxr> in the past we even had a svn-static package - in rock this is now some pkgfork thing ..
11:19 < rxr> I think it just passed --s.th.-static
11:19 < rxr> where s.th. was enable or with or so
11:19 < jeru> --enable-all-static
11:19 < jeru> is the official configure statement
11:21 < valentin> moin
11:24 < jeru> moin valentin 
11:24 < rxr> hi valentin 
11:50 < jeru> rxr: do you have an svn-static binary for x86 around ?
11:52 < rxr> only older ones
11:52 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/clients/
11:53 < rxr> I can resurrect this service and start building newer ones some time later
11:53 < rxr> (if needed ,-)
11:53 < jeru> ok thx ... let's see if this will work :)
11:54 < jeru> these are really old ...
11:54 < rxr> for http:// they should work
11:54 < jeru> ok 
11:54 < rxr> svn:// should have changed a bit since those BETA days ...
11:57 < rxr> damn - there is crappy code in our scripts - sigh
12:01 < rxr> valentin: Asymptote 0.75 
12:01 < jeru> hmmm ... sorry your binary don't work 
12:01 < jeru> svn-i586-static-0.35.0 co
12:01 < jeru> Segmentation fault
12:02 < rxr> hm
12:02 < rxr> (they once used to work)
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12:03 < minto> Hi all
12:03 < jeru> Hi minto 
12:19 < rxr> "Dual-Core-Chips of AMD"
12:19 < rxr> seems I can invest into x86-64 soon ...
12:19 < rxr> some dual CPU with dual core box - 4 CPUs - that would be a nice office box ...
12:20 < minto> rxr: They're noisy
12:20 < rxr> I bet not more noisy than my Ultra SPARC 30 with 2 full height SCA SCSI discs ...
12:21 < minto> Mine is screaming in my attick. It's so noisy (even in the attick) that my wife does not allow me to have it on when my son sleeps.
12:21 < rxr> .oO
12:21 < minto> s/attick/attic/g
12:22 < minto> I have a tyan 288 something dual opteron
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12:22 < PeskyGee> hi guys, quick question. I tried to build the ISO but its telling me that mkisofs is not found. how do I get that please?
12:23 < rxr> it is in crd-tools
12:23 < rxr> cdrtools even
12:23 < PeskyGee> so I need to get cdr-tools then 
12:23 < rxr> yep
12:23 < rxr> it is of course included in T2
12:23 < rxr> e.g. Emerge it: ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg cdrtools
12:24 < PeskyGee> cool thnks
12:25 < PeskyGee> so if I get that in the t2-trunk dir it will work to build it yes?
12:27 < PeskyGee> thanks also rxr  :-) gotta get my ass to work. Cya  :-) 
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12:49 < CIA-9> rene * r8415 /trunk/misc/tools-source/fl_wrparse.c: 
12:49 < CIA-9> * refactored the fl_wrparse.c for better readability
12:49 < CIA-9> * implemented directory removal - which I later found will not be
12:49 < CIA-9>  needed (was an post-processing bug). It is commented out in this
12:49 < CIA-9>  changeset and is only committed to "have it in the history" if we
12:49 < CIA-9>  might need it in the future.
12:50 < CIA-9> rene * r8416 /trunk/misc/tools-source/fl_wrparse.c: 
12:50 < CIA-9> * removed the -X, nodirs option from fl_wrparse.c (only committed for
12:50 < CIA-9>  reference)
12:51 < CIA-9> rene * r8417 /trunk/misc/tools-source/fl_wrparse.c: * oops, forgot to remove the X from the getopt call
12:58 < rxr> == 12:47:24 =[9]=> Building emulators/wine [20050419 2.1.0-rc2].
12:58 < CIA-9> rene * r8418 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg: (log message trimmed)
12:58 < CIA-9> * further post processing speed and correctness optimization:
12:58 < CIA-9>  * no merge in of previous dependencies - this way we only accumulate
12:58 < CIA-9>  them which is not correct
12:58 < CIA-9>  * do not iterate over any directory subpart of a file in question:
12:58 < CIA-9>  this get's many irrelevant dependencies on the (often random)
12:58 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 89.94% (2029 hits, 227 misses)
12:58 < CIA-9>  creator of a directory below the file in question. Also reduces
12:58 < rxr> == 04/21/05 12:58:13 =[9]=> Finished building package wine.
12:58 < rxr> ,-)
12:58 < rxr> how I like the 2.1 matureness ,-)
12:59 < rxr> -[BUILDTIME] 122933 (9)
12:59 < rxr> +[BUILDTIME] 53099 (9)
13:00 < rxr> mnemoc_: we need a new reference build now
13:01 < rxr> mnemoc_: I significantly got rid of false deps over the last days ...
13:01 < rxr> and speed up postprocessing time needed to calculate the deps and flist ...
13:01 < CIA-9> rene * r8419 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.cache: 
13:01 < CIA-9> * removed noisy deps not filled as deps by the new postprocessing
13:01 < CIA-9>  code
13:01 < rxr> mnemoc_: do you as usual - or do I need to throw some CPU power onto the problem ?
13:03 < jeru> rxr: woohaa! finaly the remote server has bootted into t2 :) 
13:04 < rxr> ,-)!!
13:08 < jeru> rxr: how do you create t2-src tarballs ?
13:13 < rxr> for release ?
13:13 < jeru> yep
13:14 < rxr> ./scripts/Create-SrcTar
13:14 < jeru> ohh!
13:14 < rxr> from within a tree obtained by svn export svn://svn.exctcode.de/t2/tags/$tag
13:14 < rxr> of course I do not  Create-SrcTar a working copy ...
13:14 < jeru> ic
13:15 < rxr> ok - T2 is in a quite perfect shape now ...
13:22 < CIA-9> rene * r8420 /trunk/package/x11-ng/transset/transset.cache: * inserted new transset.cache
13:36 < rxr> ok
13:36  * rxr showering and then off to the Freescale meeting thing ...
13:38 < rxr> /dev/md/0            120603992 119228548   1375444  99% /home
13:38 < rxr> need more DVB-T MPEG2 dump space soon ...
14:02 < rxr> cu
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14:33 < CIA-9> chris * r8421 /trunk/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Security/IDS/ (6 files): * added Security/IDS to mnemosyne pkgsel
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16:08 < sparc-kly|univ> mnemoc you are ?
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16:59 < mnemoc_> rxr_: rxr_: i'll Cleanup -full and start from zero the reference
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17:14 < jeru> hi mnemoc :)
17:14 < mnemoc_> hi jeru 
17:15 < jeru> mnemoc_: server is running :)
17:15 < mnemoc_> :D
17:15 < mnemoc_> do you have or need a name?
17:15 < jeru> mnemoc_: have you found a way for starting zeo/zope with runit ?
17:16 < jeru> mnemoc_: name for what ?
17:16 < mnemoc_> exec runzeo doesn't work?
17:16 < mnemoc_> jeru: for the service server is runnig
17:16 < mnemoc_> jeru: i have personal use zones
17:18 < jeru> use zones ?
17:18 < mnemoc_> no but i'm used to that name
17:18 < mnemoc_> i still using tinydns
17:18 < jeru> ic
17:19 < mnemoc_> damn nscd
17:20 < mnemoc_> it's log (3.8G) fulled /var of one of my important servers :(
17:20 < jeru> :(
17:21 < mnemoc_> no i removed it, and i can't see what happened
17:22 < mnemoc_> Cleanup -full of references are slooooooooooow
17:22 < mnemoc_> i'll move to office now
17:22 < mnemoc_> cu
17:22 < jeru> cu
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17:43 < keinek> hi
17:44 < jeru> hi keinek 
18:11 < mnemoc_> re
18:11 < jeru> hi mnemoc_ :)
18:11 < mnemoc_> hi jeru :)
18:12 < jeru> do you run zope with runit ?
18:12 < jeru> or just by hand right now ,)
18:14 < mnemoc_> jeru: by hand
18:14 < jeru> ok
18:14 < mnemoc_> but i guess exec runzope or exec zopectl fg should work
18:15 < jeru> I had some problems with runzope
18:15 < jeru> but I've to look for it later using sysv atm ... for setup
18:19 < mnemoc_> you can fake a runit script doing busywaiting
18:19 < _Ragnar__> hmm I'm just trying to create the minimal config for a64-x86
18:19 < _Ragnar__> but ./scripts/Config isn't working on that system
18:20 < mnemoc_> uhm?
18:20 < mnemoc_> what error?
18:20 < mnemoc_> using HEAD?
18:21 < _Ragnar__> yes
18:21 < mnemoc_> we did some violent changes last days which may need fixing
18:21 < _Ragnar__> segfault when the config didn't exist
18:21 < mnemoc_> please: bash -x ./scripts/Config -cfg somethingnew
18:22 < _Ragnar__> with -nobashmod, it didn't segfault, but didn't bring up the config screen, just 'New config written to config/minimal/*'
18:23 < mnemoc_> ...?
18:24 < _Ragnar__> it just writes the config without asking anything
18:24 < mnemoc_> bash -x ./scripts/Config -cfg somethingnew 2>&1 | less
18:25 < mnemoc_> and look for the segfault.... what line is producing it?
18:26 < _Ragnar__> ./scripts/Config: linux 118: 23043 Seg fault (core dumped) "$0" -cfg $config $oldconfig $profile $nobashmod -cycle
18:28 < _Ragnar__> anyway, I can do the config on another system
18:28 < _Ragnar__> minimal = minimal router?
18:28 < _Ragnar__> or boot/rescue?
18:32  * _Ragnar__ pokes mnemoc_  ... I need to get ready for work
18:33 < mnemoc_> re
18:34 < mnemoc_> .oO
18:34 < mnemoc_> that one-liner points me to a broken bash
18:35 < _Ragnar__> yes
18:35 < _Ragnar__> 092928 < _Ragnar__> minimal = minimal router?
18:35 < _Ragnar__> 092933 < _Ragnar__> or boot/rescue?
18:35 < mnemoc_> minimal is generic/minimal
18:36 < _Ragnar__> huh?
18:36 < _Ragnar__> I don't see that target
18:36 < mnemoc_> generic + template:minimal
18:37 < _Ragnar__> ah
18:37 < _Ragnar__> no X?
18:37 < mnemoc_> no X
18:38 < _Ragnar__> k
18:38 < _Ragnar__> gem or tar.bz2 pkgs?
18:38 < mnemoc_> default is .gem
18:38 < mnemoc_> but i don't understand why are you asking me tha
18:38 < mnemoc_> t
18:39 < _Ragnar__> rxr_ told me to build a minimal iso
18:40 < _Ragnar__> and I'm trying to start that process before going to work cuz I can't reach that comp from work
18:41 < mnemoc_> ic
18:42 < mnemoc_> generic/minimal is great enough :)
18:42 < mnemoc_> generic/minimal-desktop is even better
18:42 < mnemoc_> ./scripts/Config -oldconfig   shows errors?
18:46 < _Ragnar__> none at all
18:46 < mnemoc_> so your problem is with dialog
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18:58 < minto> Hi all
18:59 < mnemoc> hi minto 
18:59 < mnemoc> minto: can you upload sun-*-142 to my site please?
19:00 < mnemoc> minto: do you ftp or rsync?
19:00 < minto> ftp is fine. What was the site again?
19:03 < minto> mnemoc: rsync would be fine to, but I don't know how to use it.
19:03 < _Ragnar__> re
19:04 < mnemoc> minto: you have to give me a public key
19:05 < mnemoc> rxr_: i don't understand why you do that _evil_ ln on top of ccache/parse-config
19:06 < _Ragnar__> :)
19:48 < keinek> today is a good day for build a target?
19:50 < mnemoc> not sure :(
19:50 < mnemoc> i got an ugly error on 1-glibc
19:53 < keinek> ok
19:53 < _Ragnar__> O_O
19:55 < _Ragnar__> where at?
19:55 < mnemoc> make[2]: *** [/usr/src/building/t2-trunk/src.glibc.1114104044.24357.a8c00201/glibc-2.3.4/objdir/elf/rtld-libc.a] Error 2
19:57 < _Ragnar__> O_O
19:57 < _Ragnar__> trunk?
19:58 < mnemoc> yep
19:58 < _Ragnar__> hmmm dietlib fails for me
19:58 < _Ragnar__> should I skip that for the minimal iso?
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20:19 < _Ragnar__> ah nevermind, was a parallel problem
20:20 < sepp_> hi *
20:23 < jeru> hi sepp_ :)
20:24 < mnemoc> hi sepp_ 
20:24 < jeru> show us the T2 mutant please :)
20:24 < sepp_> had no time today for a mutant
20:24 < mnemoc> _Ragnar__: on the second run 1-glibc built
20:24 < mnemoc> keinek: try to build please, but a fresh one
20:25 < sepp_> but i made some sketches - on good old paper
20:29 < _Ragnar__> O_O
20:33 < mnemoc> sepp_: scan the good-paper :)
20:34 < sepp_> hmm at home i have only a stone age scsi scanner but no working scsi card :(
20:35 < mnemoc> :(
20:35 < mnemoc> what kind of graphics lover doens't have a working scanner?
20:35 < sepp_> i dont have one at home
20:43 < CIA-9> chris * r8422 /trunk/package/zope/ploneextendednavigation/ (. ploneextendednavigation.conf ploneextendednavigation.desc): * added PloneExtendedNavigation (0.5)
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22:12 < PeskyGee> Hi guys 
22:12 < jeru> Hi PeskyGee :)
22:12 < PeskyGee> can someone please explain to me WTF is going on with the network setup for T2???? I can't get my system up no matter what I try???
22:13 < PeskyGee> hi jeru
22:13 < jeru> what's the problem ?
22:13 < jeru> interface setup
22:13 < PeskyGee> yea I cannot get online at all :-(
22:14 < sepp> do you have a rtl8139 ?
22:14 < PeskyGee> checked the interface setupand all but I can't get it 
22:14 < _Ragnar__> has anyone gotten pptp running with a windows server on linux?
22:14 < PeskyGee> yes I do but it keeps saying 8139cp
22:14 < sepp> you need the other driver
22:15 < PeskyGee> but that says module not found when trying to modprobe??
22:15 < sepp> i had this some time ago an a other box - it was the wrong driver
22:16 < sepp> build the other kernel mod
22:16 < PeskyGee> So I guess I have to recompile the kernel and add the module or what?? Its the default kernel why in the hell would it not be there?
22:16 < sepp> it was so some weeks ago
22:17 < sepp> but i have no rtl8139 here right now
22:18 < PeskyGee> shit and I don't have the kernel sources to recompile brrrrrrr man whats up with this shit module? 
22:18 < PeskyGee> that kinda sucks man 
22:18 < sepp> get the source ?
22:19 < PeskyGee> gonna boot into my other system and take my kernel there and use it 
22:19 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: we build _every_ module on kernel, rebuilding wont help you
22:19 < PeskyGee> but I have no 8139too module at all 
22:20 < mnemoc> lib/modules/2.6.10-dist/kernel/drivers/net/8139cp.ko doesn't work?
22:21 < PeskyGee> no 
22:21 < sepp> mnemoc: there is a kernel option to support for older RTL-8129/8130 boards
22:21 < mnemoc> CONFIG_8139CP=m
22:21 < mnemoc> CONFIG_8139TOO=y
22:21 < mnemoc> CONFIG_8139TOO_PIO=y
22:21 < mnemoc> 8139TOO is built it
22:21 < sepp> i forgot, that is what i mean with other driver
22:21 < PeskyGee> that module loads yes but does not appear to be working
22:22 < sepp> or it was "Support for uncommon RTL-8139 rev." - dont remember
22:22 < mnemoc> define working?
22:22 < mnemoc> does 'ip link show' shows your card?
22:23 < PeskyGee> hold please booting back into the system now 
22:24 < PeskyGee> I have been banging my head against the wall trying to figure this one out 
22:25 < PeskyGee> ok back in the system 
22:25 < sepp> CONFIG_8139TOO_TUNE_TWISTER=y ?
22:25 < PeskyGee> yes it shows lo, eth0 and eth1
22:26 < PeskyGee> but lo is the only thing in ifconfig
22:26 < PeskyGee> and both my eth modules are loaded 
22:26 < PeskyGee> but I get shit 
22:27 < sepp> try CONFIG_8139TOO_TUNE_TWISTER=y or CONFIG_8139TOO_8129=y
22:27 < PeskyGee> sepp: I am not in the kernel config
22:27 < mnemoc> uhm?
22:27 < sepp> mnemoc: that is off by default, right?
22:27 < PeskyGee> I never heard of this 8139cp I always used too 
22:27 < mnemoc> if it shows the interfaces there is nothing else to tweak on kernel
22:28 < PeskyGee> ook wil try 
22:29 < PeskyGee> I get nothing for either of those commands 
22:29 < mnemoc> what commands?
22:30 < PeskyGee> and the system always comes up with a syslogd stating that IRQ #7 is dabled 
22:30 < PeskyGee> the ones that sepp showed 
22:30 < sepp> no use this in the kernel config
22:30 < PeskyGee> ooo sorry wrong thing  :-)
22:30 < mnemoc> you don't need to rebuild your kernel!
22:31 < mnemoc> you already have the interfaces available
22:31 < sepp> why no???
22:31 < mnemoc> why yes?
22:31 < PeskyGee> I do not have a kernel config 
22:31 < sepp> because that was exactly the problem i had
22:31 < mnemoc> what has your problem?
22:31 < sepp> with a strange rtl8139
22:31 < PeskyGee> all I have in my /usr/src/ is kernel patches 
22:31 < sepp> it needed CONFIG_8139TOO_TUNE_TWISTER=y or CONFIG_8139TOO_8129=y
22:32 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: we wont provide kernel sources because hand rebuilding is _evil_
22:32 < PeskyGee> gonna try and boot my custom kernel from my other system 
22:32 < mnemoc> the config used to build your running kernel is at /boot/kconfig_*
22:33 < PeskyGee> hand building is evil??? :-)
22:33 < mnemoc> you have to rebuild every third-party module to keep it consistent
22:33 < mnemoc> and considering you wont do it, it's evil
22:34 < sepp> mnemoc: i was wrong in the 1st reply it is not a other driver it is only a option to 8139TOO
22:35 < mnemoc> yep
22:35 < PeskyGee> then I guess I am screwed :-(
22:35 < mnemoc> ip l s    shows your interfaces, what's the problem to set them up?
22:35 < sepp> and i guess it is still of in the default t2 kernel
22:35 < PeskyGee> ok in kconfig now 
22:37 < PeskyGee> but can changing that in here do anything for me? it does not see the module anyhow to load 
22:37 < mnemoc> you wont see the fsck-ing module because it is _builtin_
22:38 < PeskyGee> ok so its not a module then why is my interface not up?
22:38 < mnemoc> have you set it up?
22:38 < PeskyGee> via stone?
22:38 < mnemoc> you said 'ip link show' show your interfaces
22:39 < mnemoc> is that true?
22:39 < PeskyGee> yes
22:39 < PeskyGee> but ifconfig show no eth0 or 1 
22:39 < mnemoc> forget that ancient and dumb program
22:40 < PeskyGee> ifup eth0 does nothing 
22:40 < mnemoc> you have to set it up 
22:41 < mnemoc> interface eth0
22:41 < mnemoc>     ip 192.168.5.1/24
22:41 < mnemoc>     gw 192.168.1.1
22:41 < mnemoc>    drop all
22:41 < mnemoc> for example
22:41 < PeskyGee> yes from withing stone yes? I did that 
22:42 < mnemoc> cat /etc/conf/network
22:42 < mnemoc> or /etc/network/config if you have an old T2
22:42 < PeskyGee> interface eth0(Internet)
22:43 < mnemoc> what else?
22:43 < PeskyGee> ip 192.168.3.4
22:43 < mnemoc> you missed netmask there
22:43 < PeskyGee> gw 192.168.3.2
22:43 < PeskyGee> ooh sorry it has a /24 there 
22:43 < PeskyGee> nameserver 151.201.45.3
22:43 < mnemoc> rocknet Internet eth0 up
22:44 < PeskyGee> well I'll be damned it appears to have worked 
22:45 < mnemoc> ip a s
22:45 < PeskyGee> so will it come up whenever I boot now or what? 
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22:45 < PeskyGee> Man cant say thanks enough 
22:45 < PeskyGee> thats a much different setup then I have ever seen on a lin box 
22:45 < mnemoc> as i told you, you don't need to mess with kernel sources
22:46 < mnemoc> to autostart you have to choices
22:46 < mnemoc> auto eth0(Internet) on top of your config file
22:46 < mnemoc> or change profile to 'default'
22:47 < PeskyGee> so if I put auto eth0(Internet) eth1(Local) at the top of the config file it will auto load?
22:48 < mnemoc> if you are starting on a runlevel with network support
22:49 < PeskyGee> I believe I am? I can set that up in Stone yes
22:49 < mnemoc> yes
22:49 < mnemoc> or directly on /etc/inittab
22:49 < sepp> hmm sorry for confusing... i had a non std rtl lately 
22:50 < mnemoc> :)
22:50 < PeskyGee> humm it didn't start auto I guess i have to config in my stone setup 
22:51 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: btw, if you use anything newer than a linux 2.2 you have to remove ifconfig out of your head
22:51 < PeskyGee> in the runlevel editor I have it setup w/ 3, 4 and 5 with a priority of 15 is that not corect?
22:52 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8423 /trunk/package/develop/fltk/fltk.desc: * updated fltk (1.1.3 -> 1.1.6)
22:52 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: the important part is what runlevel do you have by default, 2 or 3? :)
22:52 < PeskyGee> does not say in stone which is the default 
22:52 < mnemoc> sepp: in that case you can add those two CONFIG_ into config/default/linux.cfg and re-emerge linux26
22:53 < PeskyGee> how about I just select 2 and leave it at that 
22:53 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8425 /trunk/package/graphic/sharpconstruct/ (. sharpconstruct.conf sharpconstruct.desc): * added sharpconstruct (0.0.7)
22:53 < sepp> mnemoc: yes i did
22:53 < CIA-9> sebastian * r8424 /trunk/package/graphic/gnugts/ (. gnugts.desc): * added gnugts (0.7.3)
22:53 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: runlevel=2 means multiuser,nonetwork
22:53 < mnemoc> sepp: blind kernel hand-rebuilding considered harmfull :)
22:54 < PeskyGee> So I set it at 3 and re-start the network services and no they did not start 
22:55 < mnemoc> run 'init 3'
22:55 < sepp> mnemoc: why is it evil to build a custom kernel without the scripts? i use a cust kernel conf, but why evil
22:55 < mnemoc> sepp: due to third-party modules
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22:56 < mnemoc> sepp: after hand-rebuilding your kernel you must rebuild every third-party module
22:56 < PeskyGee> guess I need to add it to my inittab then 
22:56 < sepp> mnemoc: ahh i see -yes
22:56 < mnemoc> sepp: and considering people doesn't do it, hand-rebuidling is evil :)
22:58 < sepp> mnemoc: yes you are right :)
22:58 < mnemoc> :)
22:58 < PeskyGee> had to do it manually again humm 
22:58 < sepp> to prevent dumb questions i normally ask ;)
22:59 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: if you want them auto started, why did you set those profile names?
22:59 < PeskyGee> because I have been trying for about 2 days to get the damn things working and was checking the handbook
23:00 < PeskyGee> so I should remove the profile names from them then?
23:00 < mnemoc> better
23:00 < PeskyGee> ok will try 
23:02 < PeskyGee> Hey, if I add a pkg to my system that I am rolling, do I have to recompile the bootdisc part for it to see it?
23:03 < mnemoc> nope
23:03 < mnemoc> those are different targets
23:03 < mnemoc> they only mix on CD
23:05 < PeskyGee> ok removed the profile and restarted ans eth1 came up but not eth0
23:05 < mnemoc> what does your auto line said?
23:05 < PeskyGee> auto eth0 eth1 
23:06 < mnemoc> rocknet default auto up
23:08 < PeskyGee> now they are both up ????
23:08 < PeskyGee> why???
23:10 < mnemoc> that means rockplug started your interface, not sysvinit/network the first time
23:10 < PeskyGee> trying again 
23:10 < PeskyGee> again only eth1 is up 
23:11 < mnemoc> uhm
23:12 < mnemoc> are you sure your initab is set to run at runlevel=3  and rc3.d has network inside?
23:12 < PeskyGee> yes believe so 
23:12 < PeskyGee> I will check all again 
23:15 < PeskyGee> brb
23:17 < valentin> re
23:18 < mnemoc> re valentin 
23:18 < valentin>  hi mnemoc 
23:18 < valentin> rxr and me were at a freescale seminar today
23:18 < valentin> looks like we will become official partners of motorola
23:19 < mnemoc> oh
23:19 < mnemoc> amazing
23:19 < mnemoc> kudos! :D
23:19 < mnemoc> exactcode/motorola.de ?
23:19 < mnemoc> doing what kind of stuff?
23:19 < valentin> hehe
23:19 < PeskyGee> mnemoc: Yes they are correct
23:20 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: /etc/rc.d/init.d/network stop
23:20 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: does it down both?
23:20 < valentin> mnemoc: selling t2 for embedded motorola boards
23:21 < mnemoc> oh
23:21  * mnemoc felt chair down
23:22 < PeskyGee> yes both go down 
23:22 < mnemoc> /etc/rc.d/init.d/network start 
23:22 < mnemoc> both go up?
23:22 < PeskyGee> yep 
23:22 < CIA-9> amery * r8426 /trunk/ (15 files in 5 dirs): * changed rockver to sdever. only the variable. stuff on var/adm (ROCKVER) or /etc/ROCK-VERSION not touched
23:28 < PeskyGee> man I just don't get it 
23:36 < mnemoc> valentin: do you know how to convert this into a normal (gcc friendly) file?
23:36 < mnemoc> # file init.c
23:36 < mnemoc> init.c: Non-ISO extended-ASCII C program text
23:36 < mnemoc> it's breaking my 1-ash build
23:37 < mnemoc> PeskyGee: do you see init.d/network greeting during init ?
23:38 < PeskyGee> it was yes but I'm trying something right now to see 
23:40 < PeskyGee> Never experienced this before with a lin box 
23:41 < PeskyGee> hummm I think I got it I will explain in a min need to test some more 
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23:42 < valentin> mnemoc: Non-Iso ??
23:42 < valentin> perhaps some utf8 chars in it ?
23:43 < mnemoc> vi can't decode line 120 properly
23:43 < mnemoc> can i remove that line using sed?
23:43 < mnemoc> patch doesn't apply
23:44 < mnemoc> uhm
23:44 < PeskyGee> I got it but I keep getting a red :-) after eth1 loads ????
23:44 < mnemoc> rocknet tend to be sad
23:45 < mnemoc> if interfaces are set, you can ignore the face :)
23:45 < PeskyGee> I put the modules in the OCI skip section and put the netiwork at runlevel3 and it loads them but still the error on eth1 
23:46 < PeskyGee> but I want to know why its doing that?
23:46 < PeskyGee> sorry but just can't avoid errors 
23:46 < valentin> mnemoc: file ?
23:46 < mnemoc> valentin: file?
23:48 < valentin> which file ?
23:48 < mnemoc> ash/init.c
23:48 < mnemoc> line 120
23:49 < mnemoc> uhm
23:50 < mnemoc> it's generated
23:51 < sepp> good night *
23:51 < mnemoc> gn8 sepp :)
23:51 < valentin> gn8 sepp
23:51 < sepp> (if i have time tomorrow i will start to model the 3 headed moster tomorrow)
23:51 < mnemoc> :)
23:52 < valentin> three headed monster
23:52 < valentin> ?
23:52 < mnemoc> a pet for T2
23:53 < mnemoc> aaarg... i don't get the damn problem with ash/init.c
23:54 < mnemoc> mkinit.c is dumping crap somewhere
23:55 < rxr_> == 13:20:21 =[9]=> Building office/ooo [1.9-m90 2.1.0-rc2].
23:55 < rxr_> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 27.84% (2736 hits, 7092 misses)
23:55 < rxr_> == 04/21/05 20:02:03 =[9]=> Finished building package ooo.
23:56 -!- You're now known as rxr
23:56 < rxr> have to sleep - cu all
23:56 < mnemoc> :D
23:56 < mnemoc> hey, rxr, don't hide
23:56 < mnemoc> i have a qesution about ccache/parse-config
23:57 < PeskyGee> after you get the system installed. Do you have to update a DB to get packages?
23:58 < mnemoc> the 'database' is your working copy of t2 source
23:58 < PeskyGee> so how to install new packages? off the CD?
23:59 < mnemoc> mine -i foo.gem
23:59 < mnemoc> or using Emerge-Pkg from your working copy
23:59 < PeskyGee> so if I do mine -i rox-filer.gem that will fetch rox and compile? 
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