--- Log opened Thu May 05 00:00:45 2005
00:01 < valentin> someone corrected the package descriptions of that kmoney  thingy ?
00:01 < mnemoc> sparc-kly|univ: afaik only rock and T2 implement this concept, but there others which covert parts of it
00:02 < valentin> mnemoc: thanks - now i understand the question :)
00:02 < mnemoc> valentin: :)
00:02 < valentin> sparc-kly|univ: open embedded seems to be quite close to what we do
00:03 < valentin> mech told me OE is more confusing to use than t2/rock
00:03 < mnemoc> t2/rock concept is quite mature :)
00:03 < valentin> and the OE build system eats up 300MB+ ram 
00:03 < mnemoc> outch
00:04 < valentin> one big monolithic python instance to build it all
00:05 < valentin> damn, the full package path is missing in the package matrix
00:05 < mnemoc> and it gets puzzled with -http:// download locations
00:05 < valentin> ok, it is there in the overview
00:06 < valentin> WTF is that: http://www.t2-project.org/packages/gentoo.html
00:06 < mnemoc> a file manager
00:06 < valentin> why is it named like this ?
00:07 < mnemoc> why it the 'meta-distro' called like the file manager is the right question
00:09 < valentin> let's get the gentoo author to sue the project :)
00:09 < mnemoc> nah
00:10 < mnemoc> there is a comment on the gentoo filemanager talking about gentoo meta-crap
00:10 < mnemoc> they are in peace
00:11 < valentin> peace is always good
00:13 < mnemoc> we seem to be in peace with the 'other-project' also
00:14 < valentin> mnemoc is just saying this as long as daja77 is here :P
00:14 < valentin> no - just a joke
00:14 < mnemoc> :)
00:15 < valentin> btw: if you ask leo dict for gentoo, it proposes getto
00:15 < valentin> which is german for ghetto
00:16 < valentin> same with aspell -a --lang=de
00:17 < mnemoc> what about Debian sarge? ;)
00:17 < daja77> O_o
00:18 < mnemoc> hi daja77 
00:18 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
00:18 < daja77> I broke it ;)
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00:20 < ojh> Question: Is there a way of starting T2 installation by using LiLo as the booter?
00:22 < mnemoc> daja77: you broke what?
00:22 < mnemoc> daja77: the peace?
00:22 < mnemoc> ojh: you mean bootdisk?
00:22 < ojh> Its the BIOS on the laptop. It chokes on GRUB :(
00:23 < _Ragnar__> O_O
00:23 < ojh> That's why I can boot Knoppix - it is using LiLo.
00:23 < valentin> mnemoc: you not try to push your kmymoney fix upstream
00:24 < mnemoc> valentin: thanks :)
00:24 < mnemoc> CIA!!!!
00:24 < valentin> yes - where is that sucker ?
00:24 < mnemoc> ojh: i use lilo here
00:25 < ojh> mnemoc: No floppy drive :-/
00:25 < valentin> i think ojh thinks about the boot cd .. ?
00:25 < mnemoc> syslinux?
00:25 < ojh> So far all bootable CDs using GRUB fail completely. 
00:26 < valentin> mnemoc: did you write a reply mail to the mailing lists ?
00:26 < mnemoc> valentin: yes.... was that wrong?
00:26 < valentin> nope - i just wanted to know if i have to.
00:27 < valentin> the mailserver at our university is quite laggy, so i have no reply in my inbox yet
00:27 < mnemoc> valentin: he mailed with CC, i answered with CC.
00:27 < valentin> ah - now i got it
00:27 < mnemoc> :)
00:28 < valentin> sometimes the mails are queued up for over an hour.
00:28 < valentin> think i should resubscribe with my exactcode.de address ...
00:28 < ojh> mnemoc: Does the install CD use LiLo or GRUB?
00:28 < mnemoc> syslinux
00:29 < ojh> mnemoc: IC . . .
00:30 < ojh> mnemoc: So GRUB may not be incompatible.
00:32 < ojh> mnemoc: Do you know of an easy way to rebuild a trashed partition table? On the laptop Linux fdisk can read and modify the partitions but the bios only spits out "Invalid Partition Table" at boot. Even after I install Knoppix to the HDD and set LiLo on the MBR.
00:33 < ojh> mnemoc: Other then inflicting the XP restore CD on it again :P
00:33 < _Ragnar__> hmm what happens if you write the mbr with windows fdisk, and just put grup on the partition instead of the MBR?
00:34 < ojh> _Ragnar__: I would need some way to boot into Windows or DOS to do that. I have no floppy drive for the laptop.
00:35 < _Ragnar__> ooh
00:36 < _Ragnar__> you can also dd if=/dev/hda of=bootblock bs=512 count=1
00:36 < _Ragnar__> on a different drive
00:36 < _Ragnar__> and then transfer the bootblock file and write that to the laptop ... but you have to zero and redo he partition table afterwards
00:36 < ojh> I wander . . . . A USB thumb drive can be used as a boot device . . .
00:38 < ojh> I should just give in and inflict the XP restore CD on it, then use QTparted to adjust the partitions.
00:38 < _Ragnar__> maybe
00:41 < valentin> cu tomorow
00:43 < ojh> UGH!!!! The XP installer on screen. . . MY EYES!!!! MY EYES!!!!
00:44 < mnemoc> :)
00:44 < _Ragnar__> *lol*
00:46 < ojh> How can an OS require *6* install CDs and be as useless as Windows XP when its all installed?!?!?!
00:47 < mnemoc> you can bunch lot of crap
00:49 < ojh> Well, seriously, the restore CD is a *bit* more advanced then I expected, it has an option of just restoring c: partition, I am hoping that it will leave the other partitions alone.
00:50 < ojh> Failed. At least it was worth a try.
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01:20 < ojh> I think I figured out a solution to booting the laptop to install Linux, The first recover CD is basically a Win 95 live CD. I know that a program exists to load the Kernel from DOS - but I don't remember the name of the program or where to find it. Anyone know?
01:50 < sparc-kly|univ>  19:31:56 up 2 days, 10:17,  3 users,  load average: 0.25, 0.14, 0.10
02:05 < ojh> Odd, I just tried and the ROCK install CD started on the Laptop with no problem . . .
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02:06 < ojh> Well, off to "fix" the HDD with QTparted ;)
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02:10 < sparc-kly|univ> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31550&item=6752081775
02:10 < sparc-kly|univ> wtf 
02:10 < sparc-kly|univ> US $289.99 
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04:27 < mnemoc> my wifi card seems to be dead
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04:47 < keinek> hi
04:49 < sparc-kly> hi
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09:30 < mipe> anyone have recent t2 iso for pentium(4) laptop?
09:32 < rxr> re
09:33 < mipe> hi rxr
11:37 < rxr> re
11:37 < rxr> hi mipe 
12:13 < rxr> valentin: http://www.aldi-essen.de/OFFER_D/OFFER_18/OFF003.HTM
12:15 < valentin> moin
12:16 < rxr> moin valentin 
12:19 < valentin> moin
12:20 < valentin> nice hd
12:20 < rxr> I think about getting one ...
12:21 < rxr> the berlin berlin dumps for susan start to fill the last bits of my RAID array and the root fs ...
12:21 < rxr> on the other hand the iBook and color laser printer want to be paid and I need a LCD to replace my energy and eye sucking CRTs ...
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12:22 < jeru> moin 
12:23 < rxr> hi jeru 
12:23 < jeru> hi rxr :)
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13:06 < minto> hi all
13:10 < rxr> moin minto 
13:11 < minto> rxr: Oeps, I might have screwed up a commit on trunk
13:18 < minto> Pffew, I was able to cancel the commit and do the proper one.
13:28 < rxr> right now ?
13:28 < rxr> ah - CIA again missing ...
13:28 < rxr> mnemoc: we need KGB some time soon
13:28 < valentin> rxr: mnemoc and i produced a conflict yesterday because CIA was missing :(
13:48 < rxr> hm - my hotplug++ grows and grows ...
13:49 < rxr> I guess the quite final will be abour 40kB ...
13:49 < rxr> (on PPC)
13:52 < rxr> ah - there it was hiding:
13:52 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/showhigh2.php?file=/0505/37874.html&wort[]=Darwin
13:53 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0505/37874.html
13:55 < rxr> valentin: do you think apple might sponsoer os slightly to do T2 Darwin ?
13:57 < valentin> never
14:00 < valentin> rxr: which outputs from the behringer mixer did you wire to the soundcard inputs ?
14:03 < rxr> hm?
14:04 < rxr> my fingers have some aversion against subsystem
14:04 < rxr> the often skip the middle s ...
14:07 < rxr> .oO(main.o(.gnu.linkonce.r._ZTV15basic_subsystem+0x10): undefined reference to `__cxa_pure_virtual')
14:09 < rxr> .oO
14:09 < rxr> I really seemto have to do s.th. about that one ...
14:13 < valentin> rxr: Kerstin's brother has a smaller variant of our mixer, and he wants to know how to connect it to his emu soundcard for recording
14:14 < rxr> ?!?!?
14:14 < rxr> people asking such stuff are better of without any mixer, no?
14:14 < rxr> well - just plug it into a group output ?
14:14 < rxr> or the main output ?
14:14 < rxr> or some single output ?
14:14 < valentin> or tape out
14:14 < rxr> or whatever output ?
14:14 < rxr> there are many choices ...
14:15 < valentin> yes - there are - and i do not know which one is best for his purpose without having a look at the mixer's signal map
14:15 < valentin> i recommemded him to buy an external soundcard with an phantom powered mic in
14:15 < valentin> would have been much cheaper (and better??) solution for his purposes
14:16 < valentin> but now he realy bought a soundcard + mixer
14:16 < rxr> hm ...
14:16 < valentin> it is not my money, so i do not care
14:16 < rxr> I think there is a main output ....
14:16 < rxr> let him plug it into that if his mixer has that
14:17 < valentin> ok
14:17 < rxr> then he records what he hears - might be the best for unexperienced people
14:17 < valentin> yes - i proposed the tape output for the similar reason (should be the same mix ?)
14:18 < rxr> yep might be called tape out or rec out
14:18 < rxr> cxa_pure_virtual uclibc dietlibc gcc g++ freestanding
14:18 < valentin> yes
14:18 < valentin> what is  cxa_pure_virtual ?
14:19 < rxr> guess?
14:19 < rxr> I just paste it for google hit reaons ...
14:19 < valentin> i know pure_virtual
14:19 < valentin> ah - the symbol
14:20 < rxr> I guess the internal symbol wire to pure virtual method calls missing in my dietlibc embeddedSTL combination
14:20 < valentin> familiar compilation error
14:21 < rxr> I tihnk for 2.2 we should split the gcc package in the single ones provided by the gcc project
14:21 < rxr> gcc-core
14:21 < rxr> gcc-c+
14:22 < rxr> gcc-java
14:22 < rxr> and so on ...
14:22 < rxr> and build them seperated
14:22 < rxr> so that we do not only get better deps - but also allow building gcc-java on need
14:23 < valentin> :)
14:23 < rxr> aha - as I tought:
14:23 < rxr> extern "C" void
14:23 < rxr> __cxa_pure_virtual (void)
14:23 < rxr> { writestr ("pure virtual method called\n"); std::terminate ();
14:23 < rxr> }
14:24 < valentin> aha - the default handler for pv methods
14:31 < rxr> valentin: what was the syntax to pass a temporary to a method ?
14:31 < rxr> myvect.push_back (some_class a); does not want to compile ...
14:38 < rxr> ok - forget it - does not work out this way anyway
14:46 < valentin> hm ?
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14:58 < valentin> btw: what is the netmask for the loopback ip 127.0.0.1 ? is it 255 0 0 0 ?
14:59 < jeru> valentin: ack
14:59 < jeru> valentin: btw ... hi :)
15:00 < valentin> hi jeru
15:00 < jeru> can somebody give me a hint regarding the snort/prelude problem we have
15:00 < jeru> ?
15:00 < jeru> ./configure: line 7249: syntax error near unexpected token `0.9.0,'
15:00 < jeru> ./configure: line 7249: `AM_PATH_LIBPRELUDE(0.9.0, use_prelude=yes, use_prelude=no)'
15:00 < jeru> make: *** [config.status] Error 2
15:01 < jeru> any ideas what can I try to solve this issue ?
15:03 < valentin> ahm
15:03 < valentin> seems like there was an M4 macro missing
15:03 < valentin> during generation of configure
15:04 < valentin> normaly you will not see any AM_ lines in auto* generated files
15:04 < valentin> or am i wrong ?
15:05 < jeru> valentin: I guess you're right ...
15:06 < valentin> i love auto*
15:06 < valentin> most stupid thing in the entire open source world
15:11 < jeru> valentin: but I'm able to build snort using Build-Pkg but it fails while building a target 
15:12 < jeru> did we changed sth. regarding auto*crap ?
15:15 < valentin> there was an update to something like that recently
15:15 < valentin> iirc
15:16 < jeru> # grep "AM_PATH_LIBPRELUDE" ./* -R
15:16 < jeru> ./aclocal.m4:dnl AM_PATH_LIBPRELUDE([MINIMUM-VERSION, [ACTION-IF-FOUND [, ACTION-IF-NOT-FOUND ]]])
15:16 < jeru> ./aclocal.m4:AC_DEFUN([AM_PATH_LIBPRELUDE],
15:16 < jeru> ./configure.in:AM_PATH_LIBPRELUDE(0.9.0, use_prelude=yes, use_prelude=no)
15:17 < jeru> ^this is from the functioning local tree
15:17 < jeru> # grep "AM_PATH_LIBPRELUDE" ./* -R
15:17 < jeru> ./autom4te.cache/output.0:AM_PATH_LIBPRELUDE(0.9.0, use_prelude=yes, use_prelude=no)
15:17 < jeru> ./autom4te.cache/output.1:AM_PATH_LIBPRELUDE(0.9.0, use_prelude=yes, use_prelude=no)
15:17 < jeru> ./configure:#AM_PATH_LIBPRELUDE(use_prelude=yes, use_prelude=no)
15:17 < jeru> ./configure.in:AM_PATH_LIBPRELUDE(0.9.0, use_prelude=yes, use_prelude=no)
15:17 < jeru> ^ this from the broken target build
15:18 < jeru> valentin: so you were right with your assumption 
15:35 < jeru> snort works now :)
15:36 < jeru> hook_add preconf 5 'sed -i s,^am__api_version=.*,am__api_version="1.9", configure configure.in' <-- in snort.conf is the problem
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16:07 < valentin> bbl
16:07 < jeru> cu
16:18 < rxr_> re
16:18 < rxr_> valentin: still here ?
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16:30 < jsaw_> re
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16:30 < jeru> hi jsaw_ :)
16:30 < jsaw_> hi jeru 
16:31 < jsaw_> rxr: ping
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16:31 < rxr> pong
16:31 < jsaw> rxr: note on run_hotplug_agents:
16:32 < jsaw> I think that's a implementation deficiency of the bash scripts that default.hotplug does not carry a number
16:32 < jsaw> I'm not sure if we want to have scripts executed after default.hotplug sooner or later.
16:33 < rxr> ?
16:33 < jsaw> permissions settings
16:33 < rxr> I skip default.hotplug
16:33 < jsaw> exactly
16:34 < rxr> because it is the hotplug and we do not want to run it ...
16:34 < jsaw> no
16:34 < rxr> however we can share the other stuff to run udev or other package installed stuff ...
16:34 < jsaw> default.hotplug is only the script that does the matching, when do you want to execute it?
16:34 < jsaw> I mean this part as c++ code of course
16:35 < rxr> first - and then the existing agents ...
16:35 < jsaw> that's wrong
16:35 < jsaw> udev detection must happen before
16:36 < rxr> ehrm - why ?
16:37 < jsaw> 10-udev.hotplug and 20-hal.hotplug come before the actual agent is executed
16:37 < rxr> does this make sense ?
16:37 < jsaw> because this make's sure that early hotplug events are executed correctly
16:37 < jsaw> yes, 10-udev.hotplug waits for instatiation of udev
16:38 < jsaw> it's a link to /sbin/udevsend
16:38 < jsaw> for example
16:38 < rxr> yep
16:38 < rxr> but why first udev?
16:38 < rxr> doesn't it make more sense to pass the event to udev when the module was loaded ?
16:38 < jsaw> void pci_module::read_from_sysfs (const std::string& file) {
16:38 < jsaw> ^-- because of this
16:39 < jsaw> on 2.6 udev must be ready before reading from it
16:40 < rxr> hm - on the other hand events interesting for udev are block and char dev creation where we (hotplug++) do not do anything at all)
16:40 < rxr> jsaw: what is your argument? udev will mount /sys ?
16:40 < jsaw> yep. 
16:41 < jsaw> some month ago, it was a link to wait_for_sysfs
16:41 < jsaw> sorry, I meant sysfs must be ready .... 
16:41 < rxr> just wait - or mount itself ?
16:41 < jsaw> I'd rather keep the execution order of hotplug
16:42 < rxr> well - in the way early userspace is implemented right now I think it will not be too important 
16:43 < jsaw> ok. The I don't see a point in running the hotplug.d/ scripts
16:43 < rxr> I think we'll not get events for the early in-kernel drivers and the initramfs init can mount /sys and then run the even snthetization ...
16:43 < jsaw> Then
16:43 < rxr> well - stuff like SANE might drop permission settings there ...
16:43 < jsaw> But then we should really not make the impression of being somehow compatible with hotplug
16:43 < rxr> or other stuff - I tought it would be nice to run that ...
16:44 < rxr> but I thought it makes most sense to first load the module and then run the 3rd party stuff
16:44 < jsaw> Hal is another thing.
16:44 < rxr> okok - I try with the hotplug order first ,-)
16:44 < jsaw> ups
16:45 < rxr> ups ?
16:45 < jsaw> Didn't expect to convince you ;) 
16:46 < rxr> jsaw: btw. although the code it not yet final - and it did not got as clean as I hoped, do you like the new style hotplug++ is written in ?
16:46 < jsaw> yep.
16:46 < rxr> oh - and btw2 you did not link with dietlibc - this is why you needed -D__dietlibc__
16:46 < rxr> due to using g++ you made diet not inject the stuff and also end up linking with glibc or so ...
16:46 < jsaw> how do you run modprobe?
16:46 < jsaw> rxr: oh my...
16:47 < rxr> jsaw: I first had to fix how we build dietlibc to make it ready for "global and static initalization" with .ctor / .dtor ELF sections ...
16:47 < rxr> as well as some other hackery ...
16:47 < jsaw> I read it
16:48 < rxr> jsaw: my plan was to just system or so  a
16:48 < rxr> and let the modprobe figure out the correct modprove itself
16:48 < rxr> no linux kernel or path extraction
16:48 < jsaw> ic
16:49 < rxr> jsaw: of course the current embeddedSTL is just a quick gap filler - the stream stuff needs to be written correctly from scratch - with the real buffer mechanism specified in the C++ standard and the std::string is also not yet fully a template ...
16:49 < jsaw> other question: why new.cc? why are these methods not inlined?
16:49 < rxr> as well as the many other missing containers ...
16:50 < rxr> jsaw: because when you do not include any header you end up getting the symbols - thus I found it best to always generate those symbols and have them in the library ...
16:54 < jsaw> ic
16:54 < jsaw> couldn't you somehow declare it inline and still let 'em be in new.cc 
16:55 < jsaw> not that I want to change it -- only to know
16:56 < rxr> I would need to try ... - if gcc and the linker are smart enough
16:56 < rxr> jsaw: do you know why valgrind does not work on dietlibc binaries ?
16:56 < rxr> or how to make it work on them?
16:57 < jsaw> btw. embeddedSTL, something totally different: I must admit that I like lua very much. There's a lua impelementation in C++...
16:57 < rxr> fefe seems to have once fixed a bug due to valgrind reports - according to the diet changelog ...
16:57 < rxr> jsaw: you mean a lua rewrite or so ?
16:57 < jsaw> try compiling valgrind with dietlibc... 
16:58 < jsaw> rxr: no rewrite, a complete lua++ implementation exists, but bringing embeddedSTL to compile lua with it :)
16:58 < rxr> my plan is - now that I have a start - market embeddedSTL as own project / product
16:59 < jsaw> yep
16:59 < jsaw> expected this :)
16:59 < rxr> and to fully implement most stuff ...
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16:59 < rxr> of course most probably without exception support ...
16:59 < jsaw> I hope so
16:59 < rxr> I think much more stuff should be written in C++ - not C - I think it is far less error prone than classic C code
17:00 < rxr> of course avoding exceptions also open the possibility to let errors - e.g. bound violation slip in ...
17:00 < jsaw> But _until now_ a fast and small stl was missing
17:00 < rxr> I'll have to see how this will come along
17:00 < rxr> and readable ...
17:01 < rxr> all the understores and trampolines over 4++ corners in the G++ shipped STL are disgusting ...
17:01 < jsaw> undenieable request from my daughter to play a bit... cu later
17:02 < rxr> cu
17:06 < rxr> jsaw: I guess you want to be in the embededSTL commit message hook ?
17:27 < rxr> the usb sysfs attributes are borked ...
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18:05 < rxr>  58784 2005-05-05 18:05 hotplug++
18:05 < rxr> but with soem refactoring I'm confident I can shrink it later on again
18:19 < mnemoc> hi
18:34 < rxr> hi mnemoc 
18:36 < jeru> hi mnemoc :)
18:38 < jeru> mnemoc: can you merge my snort changes and reschedule snort on the ref build please ?
18:39 < mnemoc> jeru: i did
18:39 < mnemoc> jeru: current regression report include your changes
18:40 < mnemoc> jeru: and snort still fail on the same
18:40 < jeru> mnemoc: changes from today ?
18:40 < mnemoc> jeru: uhm, no
18:40 < mnemoc> 8663 ... minute
18:40 < jeru> mnemoc: I had the same problems while building a target
18:41 < jeru> mnemoc: but now I think the removal of the preconf hook should solve the problem
18:41 < mnemoc> jeru: no
18:41 < jeru> mnemoc: what no ?
18:41 < mnemoc> jeru: i added it because it failed even earlier
18:42 < jeru> mnemoc: but I've successfully  build a target today 
18:42 < jeru> with the changes I made
18:43 < mnemoc> jeru: i did that changes after snort started failing with prelude
18:43 < mnemoc> jeru: but i'm rebuilding it for you
18:43 < jeru> mnemoc: I know .... 
18:43 < jeru> thx :)
18:43 < mnemoc> rxr: hi :)
18:44 < mnemoc> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/log/5-shared-mime-info.err <-- odd (merge test)
18:45 < rxr> mnemoc: ouhm
18:46 < mnemoc> rxr: weird isn't it?
18:58 < rxr> ack
19:09 < jeru> rxr: do we really need the settings-pro.patch for mythtv?
19:09 < mnemoc> good question
19:10 < jeru> mnemoc: I've updated mythtv to 0.18 localy and try to build it
19:10 < jeru> without the patch
19:10 < jeru> and for now it looks promising
19:11 < mnemoc> jeru: it fails here due to directfb
19:11 < mnemoc> (0.16)
19:13 < mnemoc> jeru: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/log/5-snort.err
19:14 < jeru> mnemoc: I guess that's the rescheduled one :/
19:14 < jeru> click
19:14 < mnemoc> jeru: 1.7 vs. 1.9 thing
19:15 < mnemoc> jeru: mine _wants_ to call aclocal, yours doesn't
19:15 < mnemoc> jeru: no idea why
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19:16 < jeru> mnemoc: I don't know what's the difference between your build and mine
19:16 < jeru> I build a fresh mnemosyne from "stable" tree 
19:16 < mnemoc> i build a fat reference
19:16 < jeru> mnemoc: I know
19:17 < tilix> is hotplug++ in trunk?
19:18 < mnemoc> tilix: not yet
19:18 < mnemoc> jeru: brb
19:19 < jeru> mnemoc: cu
19:20 < tilix> Are there any plans for a graphical installer?
19:21 < jeru> tilix: yes, I guess ... 
19:22 < tilix> i`m making some experiments with morphix-installer
19:23 < jeru> tilix: on t2 ?
19:24 < tilix> on Debian. But rxr will probably want to make a completely new installer
19:25 < jeru> tilix: I don't know exactly what the plans are, but I guess it will be an "own" T2 installer
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20:04 < mnemoc> re
20:05 < jeru> welcome back mnemoc :)
20:08 < mnemoc> hi jeru 
20:09 < jeru> mnemoc: btw, after updating mythtv to 0.18 we've the same directfb error :/
20:10 < mnemoc> :(
20:10 < jeru> mnemoc: but I'm on snort/prelude issue again
20:11 < mnemoc> jeru: i told you that -1.9 was not the problem :p
20:11 < jeru> I've to solve this auto*crap
20:11 < jeru> mnemoc: this is just partially true :p
20:12 < jeru> I guess we've to move your old preconf hook to prepatch and adjusting the prelude patch
20:12 < mnemoc> jeru: yep
20:23 < rxr> re
20:24 < rxr> jeru: I'm not in mythtv business - it is too ugly ...
20:24 < rxr> patch it as you wish
20:25 < mnemoc> rxr: we don't want to make it unusable :)
20:25 < jeru> rxr: I've never used it I just want to fix the ref build, and asked the package maintainer ;)
20:27 < mnemoc> :)
20:28 < mnemoc> jeru: i also removed it to try to build 0.17
20:28 < mnemoc> jeru: but as that didn't work i didn't update it
20:28 < jeru> mnemoc: ahh ok
20:28 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/hotplug++/trunk/
20:28 < rxr> ^- if anyone asks about it again ,-)
20:29 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/embeddedSTL/trunk/
20:29 < rxr> ^- included in hotplug++ as svn:external ...
20:29 < mnemoc> :)
20:29 < rxr> just type make in the topdir with an good dietlibc is enough to build it ...
20:30 < rxr> on my 800Mhz iBook the build time is:
20:30 < rxr> real	0m6.257s
20:30 < rxr> user	0m4.894s
20:30 < rxr> sys	0m0.836s
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21:35 < mnemoc> hi veki 
21:36 < daja77> hi mnemoc 
21:36 < daja77> I broke the toolchain, that's what I meant
21:37 < mnemoc> daja77: :D
21:38 < daja77> :)
21:44 < CIA-10> msluis * r8668 /trunk/package/java/classpath/classpath.desc: * updated gnu classpath (0.14 -> 0.15)
21:44 < rxr> oh - hi CIA-10 
21:45 < rxr> veki: I noticed you was told to setup a defect cluster build for utilization dual or more CPU systems on the #rock-linux channel - T2 has native parallel make and scons support ...
21:45  * rxr evening dinner ...
21:47 < valentin> re
21:48 < jeru> hi valentin :)
21:49 < valentin> hi jeru, what did i miss :) ?
21:50 < jeru> valentin: why do ask me ? :)
21:50 < valentin> you were the first to rehi :)
21:51 < jeru> ahhh !
21:51 < jeru> :)
21:51 < jeru> valentin: from my point you've missed a lot of auto*crap shit :)
22:00 < valentin> so i missed nothing from my point :)
22:15 < rxr> valentin: I announced hotplug++ - works mostly now ...
22:24 < rxr> Mono 1.1.7 Released
22:27 < mnemoc> rxr: how much hotplug++ is missing to be able to replace rockplug?
22:33 < valentin> rxr: nice work
22:34 < rxr> mnemoc: not much
22:34 < rxr> valentin: did you read the source ?
22:34 < rxr> svn.exactcode.de alone transferred 366.03 MB last month ...
22:47 < valentin> rxr: no, i did not read it
22:50 < mnemoc> rxr: have you seen kdevelop problem?
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22:58 < rxr> ouhm no mnemoc 
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22:58  * rxr off into bed - cu early as usual - n8 all
22:59 < valentin> gn8 rxr and sleep well
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23:03 < jeru> good night rxr 
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23:08 < jeru> ok ... have to go sleep too
23:08 < jeru> good night all
23:08 < valentin> gn8 jeru
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23:36 < mnemoc> re
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