--- Log opened Mon May 16 00:00:50 2005 00:13 < valentin> btw: die uhr auf gsmp.tfh geht total falsch 00:13 < valentin> oups - wrong channel 01:38 < valentin> r10 yields a crc error while decompressing the kernel, can anyone verify that ? 04:50 < CIA-10> amery * r8898 /branches/2.1/package/zope/zope/ (stone_mod_zope.sh zope.conf): * merged 8838-8846,8859-8861,8886 from trunk: added stone.d/mod_zope.sh 05:20 -!- CIA-10 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:29 -!- CIA-10 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 05:31 < CIA-10> amery * r8899 /branches/2.1/architecture/ (3 files in 2 dirs): 05:31 < CIA-10> * merged (partially) 8892 from trunk: do not build rivafb and radeon into the kernel on x86 05:31 < CIA-10> * merged (partially) 8892 from trunk: make sure the Tulip network drivers are build as module 05:31 < CIA-10> amery * r8900 /branches/2.1/package/zope/ldapuserfolder/posixgroup.patch: * merged 8863 from trunk: patched ldapuserfolder to accept posixGroups 06:41 -!- _Ragnar__ [loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:42 -!- _Ragnar_ [loki@66-146-166-62.skyriver.net] has joined #t2 08:29 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 08:43 < rxr> re 08:47 < rxr> Free Pascal Compiler 2.0.0 08:47 < rxr> valentin: maybe you downloaded it from gsmp before the rsync finished? 08:47 < rxr> I asked to rsync from my obelix ... 09:03 < CIA-10> rene * r8901 /trunk/package/gnome2/anjuta/anjuta.desc: * updated anjuta (1.2.3 -> 2.0.0) 09:15 < rxr> hehe - the ROCK Live CD still sucks ... 09:16 < rxr> and they have the root and rocker password as "rock" 09:16 < rxr> never leave such a booted box alone or fire up s.th. like ssh ... 09:20 < minto> hehe, maybe they do not use the network 09:20 < minto> btw good morning 09:24 < rxr> moin minto 09:24 < minto> hi rxr, you guys have been busy again. 09:25 < minto> How long till take off! 09:38 < rxr> what take off ? 09:38 * rxr breakfast 09:38 < minto> rxr: When is Live CD to be finished? 10:19 < rxr> hehe - finished is such a finalizing word *g* 10:19 < rxr> the preleminrary first version is due to this friday or so ... 10:20 < rxr> however a much more full-featured version will be available within the upcomming 4 weeks then 11:09 < valentin> moin 11:10 < valentin> is rsync finished now ? 11:10 < rxr> yes, of course ... 11:11 < rxr> maybe just rsync your halfly working version with the one from my obelix ... 11:11 < valentin> rxr: i logged onto gsmp and checked the modification date of the live cd 11:11 < valentin> but maybe rsync did not start to apply blocks at al 11:11 < valentin> l 11:13 < valentin> i rsync again 11:15 < rxr> how is your article ? 11:17 < valentin> besides i need to search one more widget (folks at #kde is completly clueless) in the kde source ... 11:18 < valentin> i need some tea now 11:26 < rxr> valentin: you know there is# 11:26 < rxr> #kde-devel 11:26 < rxr> ? 11:27 < valentin> yeah 11:27 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:32 < rxr> valentin: clueless as well ? 12:01 < CIA-10> rene * r8902 /trunk/package/editors/nano/ (nano.cache nano.desc): * updated nano (1.2.4 -> 1.2.5) 12:05 < rxr> oh r8902 12:19 < valentin> rxr: live cd respawning problem is fixed 12:19 < rxr> good 12:19 < valentin> but ddcprobe has a 1280x1024 @ 75hz mode in the established timing 12:19 < valentin> and the monitor is unable to do that :/ 12:20 < valentin> btw: falk just called me 12:20 < valentin> will you join his diploma, too ? 12:30 < valentin> rxr: today #kde* is much more helpfull - more of the core developers seem to be awake (maybe because most of them are from europe..._ 12:31 < rxr> valentin: I think I'll join 12:33 < valentin> i will be over at kerstins machine again, manually setting a working videomode 12:38 < valentin> rxr: is xdetect invoked only once ? 12:39 < rxr> yes 12:39 < rxr> in the last version only once ... 12:40 < valentin> which is what users expect :) but i didn't .... 12:40 < valentin> is there a way to restart it ? just call it from the shell ? 12:40 < rxr> rc xdetect 12:40 < rxr> rc xdetect start 12:43 < valentin> ok, worked 12:43 < valentin> what is this established timings section ? are those the supported timings ? 12:44 < valentin> if yes, why is this fscking monitor unable to display this mode ? 12:44 < rxr> no idea about the details 12:45 < rxr> I just use it to reject more modes ... 12:45 < rxr> can you test if X is comming up correctly when you uncomment Hori and Vert timings in the monitor section _ 12:46 < valentin> then i have to redetect and restart x 12:46 < valentin> i'll do it in two minutes 12:46 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 12:52 < valentin> rxr: you mean uncomment or comment out ? 12:53 < rxr> comment ... 12:53 < rxr> out 12:53 < valentin> x enabled the same mode again but imediatly quit to vc1 12:53 < valentin> i switched to console 7 and this crashed the machine :( 12:54 < rxr> hm 12:55 < valentin> otho with my manually editited 1024x... config everything went fine - i could even start up gimp 12:56 < valentin> btw: hal device manager misses gtk python 13:01 < rxr> I know 13:09 < rxr> sadly koffice misses some kspellcheck library :-)( 13:09 < rxr> ( even ... 13:09 * rxr shortly getting noddles ... 13:09 < rxr> valentin: what is the estim. finishing time of your article ? 13:12 < valentin> noidea 13:12 < valentin> do you want to have ooo on the magazine live cd ? 13:13 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.11.8] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:13 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.8.206] has joined #t2 13:14 < rxr> I think so 13:14 < rxr> I think there is about 100MB of space free - that might be 250 MB of uncompressed DATA ... 13:15 < rxr> enough for OpenOffice and it's and Koffice deps ... 13:15 < rxr> r11 will include it I think 13:19 < rxr> and if we get space problems I would rather delete seldom needed i18n files ... 13:19 < rxr> for all programs .. 13:19 * rxr noddles ... 13:26 < valentin> rxr: esp for the magazine cd we do not need all languages in the world 13:46 -!- sparc-kly [mubex@66-50-33-174.prtc.net] has joined #t2 13:52 < rxr> re 13:52 < sparc-kly> hi 13:53 < rxr> hi 13:55 < rxr> finally - a reasonable download rate for the bt: 147.67 kB/s 13:57 < rxr> sparc-kly: there is r10 now ... 14:20 < rxr> 10266 t2-live.tx 14:20 < rxr> I thikn mine will be mostly ready a bit after 16:oo 14:20 < rxr> 00 even ... 14:20 < rxr> how much do you have valentin ? 14:25 < valentin> can i shortly call you ? 14:25 < valentin> mine ? 14:28 < sparc-kly> 147.67 kB/s :( i only have 26kb/s 15:21 < rxr> re 15:59 < valentin> btw: kde folks tell that it is valid to delete a 0 pointer 15:59 < rxr> yep - AFAIR the standard says free of 0 does return 16:04 < valentin> should i rely on that ? 16:06 < rxr> nope - better always know what you programm ,-) 16:06 < rxr> why do you asks ? 16:06 < rxr> man 3 free: "If ptr is NULL, no operation is performed." 16:08 < valentin> i just ask, because kde ppl told me so 16:08 < rxr> custom allocators might not behave that way *g* 16:30 -!- kgb [~amery@dhcpsn29.ing.puc.cl] has joined #t2 16:33 < rxr> ? ,-) 16:33 < kgb> :( 16:34 < kgb> the DSL of my shell box is not routing :\ 16:36 < rxr> hm 16:36 < rxr> :-(( 16:36 < rxr> hi kgb ! 16:37 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.17] has joined #t2 16:37 < kgb> :) 16:37 < kgb> mnemoc! 16:37 < kgb> great to see you back 16:38 < mnemoc> :) 16:39 < valentin> hi mnemoc and hi kgb 16:42 < kgb> hi 16:42 < mnemoc> hi 16:42 < rxr> 13513 t2-live.txt 16:42 < kgb> .oO 16:43 < rxr> accompany article for T2@live PR ,-) 16:43 < rxr> I think I spellcheck it and then it will be mostly final ... 16:43 < mnemoc> :D 16:44 [Users #t2] 16:44 [ _Ragnar_] [ keinek] [ mnemoc] [ SerWou ] [ valentin] 16:44 [ CIA-10 ] [ kgb ] [ nzg ] [ sparc-kly ] 16:44 [ jsaw ] [ minto ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly|U5] 16:44 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 16:44 < mnemoc> OT: do you have any tip to get \pagestyle{fancy} to use the header until right margin? it's only using about 70% here :( 16:58 -!- rxr_ [~rene@e178162173.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 16:58 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 16:58 -!- Topic set by menomc [] [Sat Apr 16 00:33:34 2005] 16:58 [Users #t2] 16:58 [ _Ragnar_] [ keinek] [ mnemoc] [ rxr_ ] [ sparc-kly|U5] 16:58 [ CIA-10 ] [ kgb ] [ nzg ] [ SerWou ] [ valentin ] 16:58 [ jsaw ] [ minto ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly] 16:58 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 16:58 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 16:58 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 10 secs 17:03 < rxr_> re 17:07 -!- rxr [~rene@e178174232.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:11 < kgb> rxr_: what do you use for headers and footers on latex? 17:18 -!- kgb [~amery@dhcpsn29.ing.puc.cl] has quit ["leaving"] 17:22 < rxr_> mnemoc: I'm not an every day latex user 17:22 < rxr_> mnemoc: in fact I hate it pretty much ... 17:22 < rxr_> valentin: kreadconfig --file kdeglobals --group Locale --key Languagefr 17:22 < rxr_> !!! 17:22 < rxr_> err --fr of course ... 17:23 < rxr_> I'll go and hack xkb setting due to language selection into startkde (for the live cd) 17:23 < CIA-10> amery * r8903 /trunk/package/zope/zope/zope-conf.in: * improved zope-conf.in to remove path for srcdir (CPSSkins comes on Products/CPSSkins) 17:24 < CIA-10> amery * r8904 /trunk/package/zope/ (7 files in 3 dirs): 17:24 < CIA-10> * added cpsskins (2.2.2) 17:24 < CIA-10> * added verbosesecurity (0.6) 17:24 < CIA-10> * added cmfactionicons (0.9) 17:34 -!- You're now known as rxr 17:34 * rxr seding article ... 17:37 -!- tilix [~root@pppoe9.bol.bg] has joined #t2 17:38 < valentin> valentin hates and loves latex 17:38 < valentin> rxr: you sed your article ? 17:39 < rxr> in some seconds 17:39 < rxr> just taking the last screenshot 17:43 < valentin> what do you do with sed ? 17:45 < rxr> sending 17:45 < valentin> ah :) 17:50 < valentin> another telekom bill virus - this time even with the note in the email that it is about Eur 296,02 18:00 -!- keinek_ [~Keinek@201.254.11.227] has joined #t2 18:01 < rxr> valentin: I do not care a bit about such bit patterns ... 18:02 < rxr> or do you try to increate the google ranking ?= 18:05 < valentin> hehe 18:06 < valentin> hello, all you M$ worm victims: try http://www.t2-project.org/live/ 18:06 < rxr> yearh - r11 to go soon 18:07 < rxr> includes keyboard layout setting based on kpersonlizer language and a boot installed OS grub entry ,-)! 18:07 < tilix> rxr: then I should stop downloading r11 18:07 < valentin> rxr: normaly i do not care much about worms, but this telekom thing gets on my nerves because my university inbox is quite bombed theese days 18:07 < tilix> r10 18:07 < rxr> tilix: download it and then rsyn r11 from me 18:08 < tilix> rsync stopped at 50% for more than an hour 18:08 < rxr> err - r11 should IIRC only differ a few kB 18:08 < rxr> tilix: yes - my home DSL reconnected ... 18:08 < tilix> i`ll wait the r11 iso and then i`ll download it. I think that`s better. 18:09 < rxr> tilix: always use -P equivalent to --partial --progress 18:09 < tilix> i`m trying again 18:09 < rxr> so you can just rerun rsync in the case of connection loss ,-) 18:09 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.8.206] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 18:10 < tilix> so r11 is at your home? 18:10 < tilix> 285753600 50% 18.04kB/s 4:17:45 18:11 < rxr> r11 is not yet out - but when it is, you can update your r10 with a few kB of transfer volume ... 18:11 < rxr> can you notify me when you got r10 ? 18:11 < tilix> ok 18:12 < tilix> i guess something happened this morning, and rsync started from 0 KB - now I have a 270 MB file and the old iso seems to be disappered 18:33 < valentin> hm, one cannot disable tabs in QT :/ 18:33 < rxr> ? 18:34 -!- sparc-kly [mubex@66-50-33-174.prtc.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:35 < valentin> a tabbed page in a tab browser does not change its state to "uneditable", neither does the whole tabbrowser itself 18:36 < rxr> valentin: right now I'm investigating your sermouse trouble ... 18:40 < valentin> rxr: :D 18:43 < rxr> maybe we are lucky and the kernel is already able to hande serial mice itself 18:43 < valentin> how ? 18:43 < rxr> I just recompile with CONFIG_SERMOUSE built-in - was module before 18:43 < rxr> the 2.6 input system is quite sophisticated 18:44 < rxr> I know it works on my SPARCS - the only questionalbe point I do not know right now is, whether we need to throw the name of the tty to use into some proc or sysfs file - or if the kernel will be smart enough on bootup to iterate of the serial tty lines .... 18:44 < rxr> on SPARC it does - but whether it does for standard PC UARTS I do not yet know 18:45 < rxr> google only yields cloueless fedora people crap 18:45 < rxr> I'll see soon 18:45 < rxr> I have a sermouse here for testing ... 18:49 < CIA-10> rene * r8905 /trunk/architecture/share/kernel-common.conf.m4: * enable SERIO_PCIPS2 as well as MOUSE_SERIAL in the linux kernel by default 18:51 < valentin> so with this option the serial mouse input is translated to imps/2 and queued into /dev/input/... ? 18:51 < rxr> yes - this is definetly implemented AFAICS - the only part yet unknown is: whether the kernel will find the mouse itself on bootup, or if we have to throw some string into some sysfs or proc file to activate it on the give serio port .. 18:52 < _Ragnar_> moin 18:53 < valentin> moin _Ragnar_ 18:53 < _Ragnar_> hey valentin :) 18:53 < rxr> hm - there is some inputattach: 18:53 < rxr> http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~jpc1/linux/ipaq/inputattach.c 18:53 < rxr> hi _Ragnar_ ! 18:55 < rxr> maybe this is necessary: 18:55 < rxr> inputattach -xxx /dev/tts/X 18:56 < _Ragnar_> uhm be careful with that tho 18:57 < valentin> rxr: but this can be done in runtime even when X is up running ? 18:57 < _Ragnar_> sometimes, when there's no mouse connected, the kernel seems to lock up the keyboard 18:57 < valentin> and when using /dev/mice you just can use your sermouse 18:57 < rxr> yes 18:59 < rxr> valentin: we have no inputattach right now - and I'm unable to locate some official tarball 18:59 < rxr> but do not worry 18:59 < rxr> continue your article - I'll get that running 19:00 < rxr> http://www.novell.com/products/linuxpackages/professional/input-utils.html 19:04 < valentin> novell.... 19:08 < rxr> yeah - source? what is that ... 19:08 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 97.69% (4279 hits, 101 misses) 19:08 < rxr> always a pleasure to look at ... 19:10 < valentin> how would you translate "default" into german ? 19:11 < rxr> voreinstellung / grundeinstellung, ... 19:11 < rxr> standardmaessif 19:11 < rxr> +g 19:12 < valentin> well - did not mean "defaults" but default profile 19:12 < valentin> perhaps standard 19:12 < rxr> yep 19:12 < valentin> or even (keins) 19:13 < rxr> stndard looks ok 19:13 < rxr> a 19:13 < rxr> + 19:13 < rxr> damn 19:13 < rxr> is this keyboard defect ... 19:13 < valentin> .oO 19:16 < rxr> hehe 19:16 < rxr> agg 2.2-4 C++ SVG Rendering Library 19:16 < rxr> ? 19:17 < rxr> http://antigrain.com/svg/ 19:22 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc@66-50-33-174.prtc.net] has joined #t2 20:12 < valentin> i'll be back in about 30 minutes 20:13 < rxr> cu 20:17 < rxr> Bluetonic World - Bejond the unverse code 2" could make a nice background music while configureing kpersonalizer on the live cd - with some visual movie it would be more impressiev than osx ,-) 20:24 < rxr> ok - no automatics - seems we need inputattach 20:27 < CIA-10> rene * r8906 /trunk/package/base/input-utils/ (. input-utils.cache input-utils.conf input-utils.desc): * added input-utils (2005-05-15) 20:27 < mnemoc> rehi 20:27 < rxr> hi mnemoc 20:28 < mnemoc> rxr: did you revert .pc thing or you are trying to fix it? 20:28 < rxr> I'll have to fix it ... 20:28 < rxr> reverting means loosing valid dependencies ... 20:28 < rxr> with .pc files used we "just" get too many deps ... 20:28 < rxr> but this can be fixed - I think 20:28 < rxr> I just need a smarter filter ... 20:34 < rxr> cool - my automatic xkb mode set works ,-) 20:34 < rxr> based on user choice from kde personalizer ! 20:34 < rxr> soon - we' 20:34 < rxr> ll dominate the world 20:35 < mnemoc> :) 20:38 < rxr> valentin: inputattach -ms /dev/tts/0 worked for me ... 20:38 < rxr> but inputattach needs to keep running ... 20:39 < rxr> if you quit it the connection is terminated 20:39 < rxr> but my box freaked out then ... :-( 20:39 < rxr> but maybe OOM ... 20:39 < rxr> it runs on reverse bits with 96MB and the livecd ... 20:45 < mnemoc> rxr: which is livecd rsync location? 20:46 < tilix> rsync -P rsync://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/public/live/t2.iso your.iso 20:49 < mnemoc> thanks :) 20:54 -!- valentin_ [~valentin@port-212-202-41-157.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #t2 20:54 < valentin_> and .... another power outage :*( 20:54 < valentin_> what did i miss in the last 3 minutes ? 20:55 -!- valentin [~valentin@port-212-202-41-157.dynamic.qsc.de] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 20:55 -!- valentin_ is now known as valentin 20:56 < valentin> hope noone was doing something in our svn right now ... 21:26 < rxr> re 21:26 < rxr> valentin: what was the reason for the power-down this time ? 21:27 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc@66-50-33-174.prtc.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:33 < valentin> turning on watercooker and microwave the same time while all electric consumers in the flat were running 21:33 < valentin> stupid me 21:38 < valentin> i need better fuses 21:38 < rxr> ic 21:38 < valentin> maybe a turning a screw into the fuse socket will do ... 21:39 < valentin> it sucks that allmost all consumers are attached to one power source 21:51 < valentin> rxr: how would you call the non-pppoe modems ? 21:51 < valentin> serial modems ? 22:01 < rxr> re 22:01 < rxr> just Modem? or analog modem? 22:03 < valentin> analog modem 22:03 < valentin> "Analoges Modem" 22:06 < rxr> hm - s.th. is strange in the kernel 22:06 < rxr> I get two events to load the firmware into my DVB card 22:06 < rxr> and since my hotplug++ is so fast it oopses when the 2nd gets executed in parallel with the first 22:07 < rxr> no idea why this does not show up with rockplug - maybe because it takes so long until the cp firmware /sys/.../data is executed ... 22:14 < rxr> redhat^Wfedora core does this in gpm init: 22:14 < rxr> if [ -n "$IMOUSETYPE" ]; then 22:14 < rxr> if [ "$(pidofproc inputattach)" = "" ]; then 22:14 < rxr> modprobe sermouse > /dev/null 2>&1 22:14 < rxr> /usr/sbin/inputattach -$IMOUSETYPE $DEVICE --daemon 22:14 < rxr> DEVICE="/dev/input/mice" 22:14 < rxr> MOUSETYPE="exps2" 22:14 < rxr> fi 22:14 < rxr> fi 22:14 < rxr> not that inteligent ... 22:17 < valentin> what is exps2 ? i only know imps2 22:18 < rxr> some explorer whatever .. 22:24 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:25 -!- c4y0 [~cmora@adsl200-75-92-166.epm.net.co] has joined #t2 22:25 < c4y0> hi 22:26 < rxr> hm - sermouse can oops my athlon kernel ... 22:26 < rxr> input: Microsoft Mouse on ttyS0/serio0 22:26 < rxr> serio: Serial port ttyS0 22:26 < rxr> Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 2020202c 22:27 < rxr> [] tty_wakeup+0x6d/0x70 22:27 < rxr> [] uart_close+0xb7/0x1e0 22:27 < rxr> [] release_dev+0x654/0x770 22:27 < rxr> [] svc_sendto+0x30/0x260 22:27 < rxr> [] zap_pmd_range+0x4b/0x70 22:27 < rxr> [] zap_pud_range+0x29/0x50 22:27 < rxr> [] unmap_page_range+0x65/0x80 22:27 < rxr> [] free_hot_cold_page+0x21/0xf0 22:27 < rxr> [] free_hot_cold_page+0x9e/0xf0 22:27 < rxr> [] _atomic_dec_and_lock+0x26/0x60 22:27 < rxr> ... 22:28 < _Ragnar_> oops 22:28 < _Ragnar_> O_O 22:39 < rxr> so 22:40 < rxr> seems to happen only when the mouse is mooved .. 22:40 < rxr> and the inputattach is stopped ... 22:41 < rxr> but even moving another mice mixing events into the input subsystem is enough ... 22:43 < rxr> valentin: first I get some food - then I try to implement pnp serial detect tonight 23:10 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@66-50-33-174.prtc.net] has joined #t2 23:17 < valentin> re 23:18 < sparc-kly> hi valentin . last t2 desktop is ? what version ? 23:19 < valentin> we have 2.1-beta4 23:22 < valentin> and the development trunk at revision 8906 23:28 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@66-50-33-174.prtc.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 23:47 -!- _Lewellyn [raad@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #t2 23:58 < valentin> rxr: do we need to display the ppp speed parameter in this version of the network config - if yes, a simple textfield or sth more advanced ? 23:59 < mnemoc> re --- Log closed Tue May 17 00:00:08 2005