T2 IRC Log: 2005-05-17

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--- Log opened Tue May 17 00:00:08 2005
--- Day changed Tue May 17 2005
00:00 < valentin> hi don mnemoc
00:02 < mnemoc> :)
00:05 < rxr> valentin: what kind of speed? serial baud ?
00:05 < rxr> hi mnemoc
00:06 < mnemoc> hi rxr
00:07 < valentin> yep, the thingy you put behind the ppp /dev/tts/... option
00:08 < rxr> numeric value labeled baud for now I would say
00:09 < valentin> numeric value is ?
00:09 < valentin> textfield ?
00:10 < rxr> interger value I menat ...
00:10 < rxr> or textfield if that is way easier ...
00:10 < valentin> what is integer value ?
00:10 < valentin> a spin box ?
00:12 < rxr> hey - cool
00:12 < rxr> maybe this is what my serial mouse negotates via Serial PnP:
00:12 < rxr> $ ./a.out
00:12 < rxr> 205 cd
00:12 < rxr> 179 b3
00:12 < rxr> 68 44
00:12 < rxr> 32 20
00:12 < rxr> 138 8a
00:12 < rxr> 117 75
00:12 < rxr> 165 a5
00:12 < rxr> 152 98
00:12 < rxr> 72 48
00:12 < rxr> 164 a4
00:12 < rxr> 82 52
00:12 < rxr> 252 fc
00:12 < rxr> Resetting port ...
00:13 < rxr> hm - no - this does not sem to be what it should send ...
00:16 < valentin> rxr: what happens when ommiting the speed ?
00:17 < rxr> valentin: I think pppd will complain that no speed is given
00:17 < rxr> cool ! Here we go:
00:17 < rxr> $ ./a.out
00:17 < rxr> 77 4d
00:17 < rxr> 51 33
00:17 < rxr> 8 8
00:17 < rxr> 1 1
00:17 < rxr> 36 24
00:17 < rxr> 44 2c
00:17 < rxr> 39 27
00:17 < rxr> 41 29
00:17 < rxr> 24 18
00:17 < rxr> 16 10
00:17 < rxr> 16 10
00:17 < rxr> 9 9
00:17 < rxr> Resetting port ...
00:17 < rxr> that should i tbe
00:17 < rxr> it be ...
00:17 < rxr> 8 is the start mark - 9 the end!
00:18 < rxr> and 77 is a stray 'M' due to stupid Mouse ...
00:18 < rxr> cool - that matches all the specs ...
00:19 < rxr> hm - my good old ELSA modem sends strage stuff ...
00:19 * valentin once again raging because of those damn *nix components from the dark ages of computer technology
00:19 < rxr> ah - no - that decodes as well !
00:20 < rxr> I do not paste it here - it sends 44 bytes ... ,-)
00:24 < valentin> haha
00:24 < valentin> is there a way to set baud rate to some value that always works ?
00:24 < rxr> ?
00:25 < valentin> i cannot tell the magazine readers they should "enter a valid baut rate"
00:25 < rxr> I think for anything since 1992 or so should work at 115200 BAUD ...
00:32 < rxr> coo - prettified and made ready to compile with g++
00:32 < rxr> God PnP fields - 43 bytes:
00:32 < rxr> ^- ELSA modem
00:33 < rxr> God PnP fields - 10 bytes:
00:33 < rxr> ^- Logitech serial mous
00:33 < rxr> e
00:40 < valentin> rxr: nice work
00:41 < rxr> PnP ID string: `(!DLGI800)'
00:41 < rxr> PnP rev 1.00
00:45 < rxr> PnP ID string: `(#ELS8318\00748728\MODEM\\MicroLink 56k00)'
00:45 < rxr> PnP rev 0.99
00:46 < rxr> cool thing this starts to get
00:46 < rxr> T2 - the first distribution detecting serial devices automatically ?
00:46 < rxr> and this just because we start to get a perfect product out of it ?
00:47 < valentin> rxr: wow
00:48 < rxr> I could also hook on a good olde A3 CAD tabled ... and see if it yields an PnP ID ....
00:48 < rxr> I wonder why noone did this in 1997 when this devices have been recent ...
00:48 < rxr> with just working devices in 1997 linux would already be somewhere else ...
00:49 < valentin> it could be somewhere else today
00:49 < rxr> at least we get our long demanded perfect OS in 2005 it seems ...
00:54 < valentin> btw: how should i refer to the Network config in the article ? the t2 network configuration or just the config tool for the magazine cd
00:54 < rxr> I think T2, or?
00:56 -!- c4y0 [~cmora@adsl200-75-92-166.epm.net.co] has quit ["[BX] Leggo my Eggo!"]
01:08 < rxr> which ones this time ?
01:08 < rxr> oh - sorry
01:18 < rxr> I wonder if I loose a byte ...
01:19 < rxr> I should get 7 bytes I think for manufactur and product - I only get 6 for the logitech mice
01:24 < rxr> valentin: is your athlon up and running ?
01:24 < valentin> rxr: no
01:24 < rxr> ok
01:24 < valentin> i can boot it however
01:25 < rxr> not that urgent
01:25 < rxr> how is it going on your side ?
01:27 < valentin> the config dialogs are kind of complete, basically i miss the switching and activating part i wanted to have in the applet
01:27 < valentin> but kde applets are ugly to code
01:27 < valentin> maybe i decide to put the required widgets into the main config window or so
01:28 < valentin> ... for this product ...
01:28 < valentin> well, that would be a good idea for now
01:28 < rxr> and - how is article ?
01:28 < valentin> which article ? ,)
01:28 < rxr> .oO?
01:28 < valentin> far from beeing finished
01:29 < valentin> but the text part should be finished quite fast after i took some screenshots
01:30 < valentin> i habe some ugly crashes to debug, but i think i leave that out for now
01:30 < rxr> of course
01:30 < rxr> I would just focus to get the vapoware article out ...
01:49 < rxr> $ ./a.out | grep -a CLASS
01:49 < rxr> CLASS: MOUSE -ms3
01:50 < rxr> $ ./a.out | grep -a CLASS
01:50 < rxr> CLASS: MODEM
01:50 < rxr> ok - I consider this semi final ,-)
02:00 < rxr> valentin: could you test ~rene/develop/a.out /dev/tts/0 on your athlon ?
02:00 < rxr> binary from my athlon
02:00 < rxr> but only if it is not too time consuming ...
02:01 < valentin> damn, two cosmetic problems remaining
02:01 < valentin> s/two/two major
02:01 < rxr> hm
02:02 < rxr> then don't waste time on my serial thing ..
02:03 < valentin> rxr: i test it - just a moment
02:04 < rxr> ok
02:04 < rxr> thanks
02:08 < valentin> haudraufinix suffix was ?
02:09 < rxr> .45
02:11 < valentin> rxr, can you create a static version of a.out ?
02:12 < valentin> or gimme the source :)
02:12 < rxr> serpnp.c in the same dir of course ...
02:12 < rxr> if you rm it accidently I slap you!
02:14 < valentin> root@mooo:~# ./a.out /dev/tts/0
02:14 < valentin> God PnP fields - 11 bytes:
02:14 < valentin> 8 8
02:14 < valentin> 1 1
02:14 < valentin> 36 24
02:14 < valentin> 44 2c
02:14 < valentin> 39 27
02:14 < valentin> 41 29
02:14 < valentin> 24 18
02:14 < valentin> 16 10
02:14 < valentin> 16 10
02:14 < valentin> 17 11
02:14 < valentin> 9 9
02:15 < valentin> LGI8001
02:15 < valentin> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
02:15 < rxr> why the hell does it segfault ...
02:15 < rxr> ok - what was your box's prefix so I can debug ?
02:15 < valentin> #0 0x40165afe in strcmp () from /lib/libc.so.6
02:15 < valentin> #1 0x08048d9a in main (argc=2, argv=0xbffff8d4) at serpnp.c:350
02:16 < rxr> oh
02:16 < valentin> it segfaults because you use hell's own language to work on strings ,)
02:16 < rxr> yes
02:16 < valentin> s/on/with
02:16 < rxr> converting it to embedded C++ was left for a rainy sunday task
02:17 < rxr> I fact I forgot to check for NULL termiation of the static list
02:17 < valentin> bool operator == (const std::string&, const std::string&) ^^
02:17 < rxr> try making the line:
02:17 < rxr> while (it-name != 0 && strcmp(it->name, id.eisaid) != 0)
02:19 < rxr> hm - in fact your device is in the list ...
02:19 < rxr> damn
02:19 < valentin> works
02:19 < rxr> output ?
02:19 < rxr> last lines only ...
02:19 < valentin> God PnP fields - 11 bytes:
02:19 < valentin> 8 8
02:19 < valentin> 1 1
02:19 < valentin> 36 24
02:19 < valentin> 44 2c
02:19 < valentin> 39 27
02:19 < valentin> 41 29
02:19 < valentin> 24 18
02:19 < valentin> 16 10
02:19 < valentin> 16 10
02:19 < valentin> 17 11
02:19 < valentin> 9 9
02:19 < valentin> LGI8001
02:19 < valentin> Resetting port ...
02:19 < valentin> too late ...
02:20 < rxr> interesting that you own another serial mice than I ...
02:20 < rxr> altough the look so simillar ...
02:21 < rxr> sorry to bother you - but could you test the line with:
02:21 < rxr> while (it-name != 0 && strncmp(it->name, id.eisaid, id.neisaid) != 0)
02:21 < rxr> it should output s.th. like this at the end:
02:21 < rxr> CLASS: MOUSE -mman
02:22 < valentin> CLASS: MOUSE -mman
02:22 < valentin> yeah
02:22 < rxr> thanks
02:22 < rxr> although I do not know if -mman is correct
02:22 < rxr> it is what the X driver had an equivalent in it ...
02:22 < rxr> mine works with -ms ...
02:22 < valentin> mine too .oO
02:23 < rxr> but mine is different anyway - let's test with the next rev of the live cd ...
02:23 < rxr> or should I make it -ms before?
02:23 < valentin> are there serial mices which are not ms ?
02:23 < rxr> yes
02:23 < rxr> all those manufactors created quite some chaos around this trivial mice fluff ...
02:23 < rxr> I mark it -ms ...
02:23 < rxr> in the hope it works for you ...
02:23 < valentin> it should
02:24 < valentin> what about "auto" ?
02:24 < rxr> AFAICS the kernel has no auto for serio ...
02:24 < rxr> valentin: I want to bind the serial port to the kernel serio stuff - so it comes out of /dev/input/mice
02:24 < valentin> :(
02:24 < rxr> I do nto want to alter the xorg.conf for serial mices
02:24 < valentin> yes, i know
02:24 < rxr> this seems to be so elegant ... ,-)
02:26 < valentin> it is the only sane way to do this, otherwise usb mice that are plugged in later will not work because of some old serial mouse attached
02:26 < rxr> yes - hower X can be configured for multple devices
02:26 < rxr> so we could configure /dev/input/mice and /dev/tts/0 to send core events ...
02:26 < rxr> howver I like the new 2.6 input subsytem
02:26 < rxr> aside that it does not bind serial mices automatically ... :-((
02:29 < valentin> http://exactcode.de/valentin/snapshot2.png
02:29 < valentin> the top section of the window is quite messed up
02:31 < rxr> nice
02:32 < rxr> btw. a bit OT, I tried to ACPI sleep my athlon from within the live-cd
02:32 < rxr> it mostly fall asleep and mostly woke up
02:32 < rxr> never ever was ACPI suspend working that far ...
02:32 < valentin> i've mostly fallen asleep, too
02:33 < rxr> however the box is full of expotic hardware, like the Delta 1010 and the DVB card - guess some are still messed a bit up ...
02:33 < rxr> valentin: yeah - don't ask ...
02:33 * _Lewellyn hands you both some coffee
02:33 < rxr> but I soon crawl into bed ...
02:33 < valentin> _Lewellyn: thanks
02:33 < rxr> hi _Lewellyn
02:33 < _Lewellyn> rxr: sounds like things are going well on the t2 front :)
02:33 < rxr> _Lewellyn: yes, definetly ,-)
02:34 < valentin> if i only find out why those ugly QLayout object do not behave the way i tell them ...
02:34 < _Lewellyn> is there going to be a supported upgrade path from rock upon release?
02:34 < rxr> when we have time to implement PnP serial detection of mices and modems we definetly have too much time *g*
02:34 < valentin> oh - the "manual setup" is not translated ...
02:34 < _Lewellyn> eh. windows does serial pnp. so why shouldn't you?
02:35 < rxr> _Lewellyn: for T2 2.1 you can build on ROCK and build into your ROCK system and such
02:35 < rxr> despite all the cleanups and fixes the basics are compatible - for 2.2 the upgrade path is a bit more stony, since 2.2 will use u/dev by default and "maybe" drop devfs support from the core scripts
02:36 < rxr> for this you need the new mkinitrd as well as some statically linked binaries embedded into the initramfs on your system - thus the upgrade is not that "instant"
02:39 < rxr> _Lewellyn: someone I remeber your nickname - but fail to associate it right now - can you give me a tip ?
02:42 < valentin> http://exactcode.de/valentin/snapshot2.png
02:42 < valentin> bit better now
02:43 < _Lewellyn> rxr: i've popped in and out checking on rock's status for a few years. been watching t2's progression lately :)
02:44 < _Lewellyn> also, personally, i like devfs :)
02:51 < rxr> ic
02:52 < rxr> _Lewellyn: I also liked devfs over the last yeary - but there is nearly nothing to loose and much to gain with u/dev
02:52 < rxr> I was very skeptic about u/dev in the beginning - but I enjoy it more and more each day
02:53 < rxr> _Lewellyn: what type of OS do you demand more? Easy and graphical or classic Unix ?
02:54 < _Lewellyn> if i didn't have to use vmware or a gui browser, i'd not run x.
02:54 < _Lewellyn> that a sufficient answer? :)
02:54 < rxr> hehe - yes
02:54 < _Lewellyn> and what is u/dev? i've not heard much about it.
02:56 < rxr> maybe without the newly introduced slash? that is udev?
02:56 < rxr> it is a user-space /dev population based on the Linux 2.6 kobject and it's hotplug mechanism
02:56 < _Lewellyn> hm. url?
02:57 < rxr> well - the bad thing is there is no real homepage ...
02:57 < rxr> the author seems ot be a good olde unix freak who thinks html is waste of time ..
02:57 < _Lewellyn> any docs in the kernel source?
02:57 < rxr> http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/
02:58 < rxr> http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev.html
02:58 < rxr> ^- oh - that file is new ,-)!
02:58 < valentin> rxr: where will we hide the network tool in the kde menu ?
02:59 < rxr> no idea
02:59 < rxr> system network ?
02:59 < rxr> let's only place it on the desktop for now
03:00 < rxr> valentin: my mouse serpnp code works
03:00 < rxr> detected my modem and the mouse on startup ... !
03:00 < _Lewellyn> hm. udev does not do one of the cool things that devfs does
03:00 < rxr> mouse is working ...
03:00 < rxr> events comming out of /dev/input/mice ...
03:00 < _Lewellyn> and it's in the faq as a "this is not a udev function" sort of thing :(
03:00 < rxr> which cool thing is it you miss in u/dev ?
03:01 < rxr> the only think you can miss is module load on access
03:01 < _Lewellyn> yup
03:02 < _Lewellyn> that way i don't have extraneous crap loaded into the kernel
03:02 < _Lewellyn> if it's loaded, it's because i either compiled it in so it's always available, or i specifically needed that device
03:02 < rxr> but that is the only thing - and not really required - hardware detection is done with hotplug these days on deviec discovery and the other modules can be loaded on-demand without devfs
03:02 < _Lewellyn> i don't want the modules loaded on detection, i want them loaded when they're needed.
03:03 < rxr> ic - I'll put you in my reminder for T2 2.2 and up devfs maintainer ...
03:03 < rxr> _Lewellyn: devfs will go out of the kernel as first thing in 2.7, did you know that ?
03:04 < _Lewellyn> eh. at this rate, 2.7 is vaporware.
03:05 < rxr> yeah ...
03:05 < rxr> 2.6.667 sooner or later *g*
03:06 < _Lewellyn> if it hits 2.6.66, i'll probably stick with that for a while ;)
03:07 < valentin> rxr: i think i'll go to bed now and stand up more or less early to finish the text part of the article
03:08 < valentin> do you still need the athlon ?
03:08 < rxr> valentin: as you think is reasonable - I do not know when they need it ...
03:08 < rxr> yours? nope
03:08 < valentin> rxr: i do not know, too
03:09 < valentin> but i do not think they need it now
03:10 < _Lewellyn> which magazine is this for?
03:11 < valentin> its called Linux Intern
03:11 < valentin> a german mag
03:12 < _Lewellyn> cool
03:14 * valentin -> bed ()
03:14 < valentin> cu in a few hours
03:16 < rxr> _Lewellyn: this is also why we hack on the Live CD like crazzy ...
03:18 < _Lewellyn> sleep well, valentin
03:18 < _Lewellyn> rxr: i gathered :)
03:18 < _Lewellyn> will the livecd be available for public download, too?
03:19 < _Lewellyn> even if only a couple months after it hits the store shelves?
03:19 < rxr> _Lewellyn: of course - and as normal T2 target
03:19 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/live
03:19 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/t2/unstable/
03:19 < rxr> maybe I should relocate it from unstable to stable quite soon
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03:31 * sparc-kly|U5 brrbrbrrbr
03:32 < sparc-kly|U5> 21:13:08 up 8 days, 1:25, 1 user, load average: 0.07, 0.09, 0.02
03:32 < sparc-kly|U5> :D
03:33 < _Lewellyn> you don't get much use out of your system! ;)
03:36 < sparc-kly|U5> you don't get much use out of your system! ;)
03:36 < sparc-kly|U5> lol
03:36 < _Lewellyn> i haven't been taxing mine very hard today, but still... ;)
03:36 < _Lewellyn> 18:36:32 up 2 days, 23:53, 13 users, load average: 1.30, 1.08, 1.01
03:37 < sparc-kly|U5> in my house : 18:37:43 up 3:04, 5 users, load average: 0.01, 0.06, 0.03
03:39 < sparc-kly|U5> anyone have New desktop target for public Download ?
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05:06 < tilix> got it
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08:41 < keinek> hola
08:41 < keinek> hi
08:41 < keinek> i need help
08:41 < keinek> i forguet how configure PPPOE in T2
08:41 < keinek> anybody there?
08:42 < keinek> i need the lines for the conf.
08:42 < keinek> interface ppp0
08:42 < keinek> ppp eth0 debug
08:42 < keinek> pppoe
08:42 < keinek> ppp_option defaultroute
08:42 < keinek> ppp_option user "xxx@yyy"
08:42 < keinek> or something like that
08:42 < keinek> but dont work
08:43 < keinek> i dont have the line where pass.
08:43 < keinek> anybody can help my?
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08:48 < keinek_> hi
08:48 < keinek_> anybody there?
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10:08 < tilix> rxr: what is the md5 sum for r11?
10:27 < valentin> moin
10:28 < tilix> valentin: do you know the md5sums of r10 or r11?
10:28 < tilix> i want to know what I`ve downloaded
10:28 < valentin> tilix: i can create some
10:36 < tilix> is the md5sum for r11 ce0a3e0086e9a41fbd5501c96fcba0ef ?
10:40 < valentin> f2d34ea44e57559b44069bad8e02b693 t2-live-2.2.0-alpha-r10.iso
10:40 < valentin> 971e55c12a090d3ccef74946ef8715d0 t2-live-2.2.0-alpha-r11.iso
10:40 < valentin> hm
10:40 < valentin> when did you copy r11 ?
10:40 < tilix> this night
10:40 < valentin> and wherefrom ?
10:40 < valentin> directly from rxr's box ?
10:41 < tilix> rsync -P rsync://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/public/live/t2.iso t2-live-2.2.0-alpha-r10.iso
10:41 < tilix> yes
10:41 < valentin> ok
10:41 < valentin> maybe scp to gsmp.tfh is not finished yet
10:41 < valentin> i'll give you another one
10:49 < valentin> ce0a3e0086e9a41fbd5501c96fcba0ef t2.iso
10:50 < tilix> thanks. I`m going to burn it. Btw, do you know when the network configuration system will be included?
10:56 < tilix> rebooting to test it
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11:27 < valentin> hi tilix
11:27 < valentin> inside live ?
11:29 < tilix> yes
11:30 < tilix> the nvidia module works now
11:32 < valentin> i am just writing an article about the network config surface - when i finished this, i will implement the missig functionality
11:32 < valentin> *g*
11:32 < tilix> is this network config system on the cd?
11:33 < valentin> well, there is a rocknet on the cd
11:33 < valentin> so you can edit your config file and do ifup manually
11:34 < tilix> i`m using netcardconfig from knoppix
11:35 < tilix> HAL and D-BUS still doesn`t work (I guess)
11:35 < tilix> their tools crash
11:35 < valentin> .oO
11:35 < valentin> i fear you have to wait until rxr shows up here
11:36 < tilix> the problem is with dbus. hal-tools doesn`t work because there is no python-gtk on the cd
11:37 < valentin> yeah - we know that
11:57 < rxr> re
11:58 < rxr> tilix: which version did you test
11:58 < rxr> tilix: the python crap is just viewer crap
11:58 < valentin> moin rxr
11:58 < rxr> I'm not yet sure if I want to have gtk/gnome python just for demo viewers
11:58 < rxr> hi valentin
11:59 < rxr> sorry - I needed some sleep - my body did not wanted to wake up earlier ...
11:59 < tilix> hi
11:59 < tilix> i`ve tested r11
11:59 < valentin> why does the checksum of r11 differ from t2.iso ?
11:59 < rxr> valentin: t2 iso on my obelix ?
11:59 < tilix> here is the test I did:
11:59 < tilix> 1. Init script tries to modprobe rivafb and gives a warning. And still says "executing rockplug".
12:00 < tilix> 3. kword/kspread/kpresenter give: koffice (lib kofficecore): WARNING: libkspell2.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
12:00 < tilix> 4. kexi gives:
12:00 < tilix> kexi: WARNING: KexiConnSelector::KexiConnSelector(): no driver found for 'mysql'!
12:00 < tilix> kexi: WARNING: KexiConnSelector::KexiConnSelector(): no driver found for 'postgresql'!
12:00 < tilix> 5. Nvidia logo shows at startup, but glxinfo still gives "direct rendering: No".
12:00 < tilix> 6. ALSA still can`t be started.
12:00 < tilix> 7. koffice is 1.3.91 but Krita is not included?
12:00 < tilix> 11. dbus-tools doesn`t work, giving "Failed to open connection to session message bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-zH4tCOjqov: Connection refused"
12:02 < rxr> my home box did not offer r11 right now ...
12:02 < rxr> it offered r10.5
12:02 < rxr> sorry for that
12:02 < valentin> so tilix tested r10.5
12:02 < rxr> I rsynced to the UNI box - and it took so long that I went to bed ...
12:02 < rxr> now it is updated
12:02 < valentin> tilix: you hear that ?
12:02 < tilix> yes
12:02 < rxr> you need this tranfer volume to update:
12:02 < rxr> sent 20253184 bytes received 166430 bytes 154110.29 bytes/sec
12:03 < rxr> with send and receive exchanged of course ...
12:03 < rxr> tilix: so - did you got the nvidia logo as well? and it is using the binary driver now ?
12:03 < tilix> yes
12:07 < rxr> do you plan to rsync r11 ?
12:07 < tilix> resyc-ing now. i think rsync started from the beginning :(
12:08 < valentin> rxr: i think in the first version of netconf i should always enable masquerading on ppp devices if another device is up in the same profile
12:08 < valentin> later i will add masquerading configuration
12:08 < tilix> 12441643 2% 18.75kB/s 8:11:05
12:09 < rxr> that is ok, since in the beginning is the kernel - and I updated it ...
12:12 < rxr> tilix: I have to release r12 right now - due to the kernel update the radeon and nvidia driver slippt in again :-(
12:12 < rxr> but it will only differ a few bytes ...
12:12 < rxr> I'm sorry - just tell me when your r11 finished and I rsync r12 to the box - so you can rerun it to only grab that few deletions inside the iso ...
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12:15 < jeru> moin
12:15 < tilix> rxr: ok
12:16 < jeru> any news regarding the livecd ? ;)
12:16 < jeru> hi tilix, rxr
12:19 < valentin> moin jeru
12:20 < jeru> hi valentin :)
12:21 < rxr> hi jeru
12:21 < rxr> livecd is comming along ...
12:23 < tilix> hi jeru
12:23 < jeru> rxr: is your rsync host running ?
12:23 < rxr> yes
12:23 < rxr> but wait some minutes
12:23 < rxr> tilix: needs to finishs r11 first before I push r12 on it ...
12:23 < jeru> ok ... syncing
12:24 < rxr> jeru: but on the other hand - quite a bit changed since your last friday or so sync
12:24 < rxr> maybe just grab r12 from the uni ...
12:24 < rxr> I can notify you in some seconds when r12 is fully there ...
12:24 < jeru> rxr: is r12 uploaded yet ?
12:24 < jeru> ok
12:24 < rxr> currently syncing
12:25 < jeru> rxr: sorry for not calling you ... but I was down (sick in bed) the most weekend ...
12:28 < jeru> rxr: can I start download ... ? ;)
12:29 < tilix> 99 %
12:31 < rxr> second
12:32 < tilix> 562352993 99% 12.02kB/s 0:03:38
12:36 < rxr> jeru: now r12 is on the gsmp box
12:37 < tilix> rxr: done
12:37 < tilix> sent 166494 bytes received 20253173 bytes 10426.18 bytes/sec
12:42 < rxr> ok - home box updated with r12
12:42 < rxr> sent 1824468 bytes received 166437 bytes 17089.31 bytes/sec
12:44 < tilix> starting
12:47 < tilix> done: sent 166501 bytes received 1824457 bytes 10451.22 bytes/sec
12:48 < tilix> rebooting to burn and test it
12:51 < rxr> Apple recently updated its iMac G5 line with faster 2.0 GHz
12:51 < rxr> PowerPC G5 processors.
12:57 < jeru> rxr: already started downloading r12 ... will be finished approx. in 30-40min.
12:58 < rxr> will you throw it into any box again? *g*
12:58 < rxr> btw. it now detects serial mices ...
12:59 < rxr> and in theory serial modems ...
12:59 < jeru> rxr: I'll test all the boxes I've around here ;)
12:59 < jeru> rxr: btw, I've one of this small Compaq Evo "ThinClients" available now
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13:00 < rxr> .o(this will mean a lot of feature requests again, right?)
13:00 * rxr shower, bakery and such - cu son
13:00 < rxr> +o
13:00 < jeru> + some new HP workstations which were delivered today
13:01 < rxr> yes, test them ! ;-)
13:01 < jeru> rxr: don't worry ....
13:01 < jeru> ;9
13:01 < jeru> :)
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13:15 < tilix> X doesn`t start
13:15 < rxr> ouhm
13:15 < rxr> due to some nvidia driver thing =
13:15 < rxr> ? even ..
13:16 < tilix> 1-st error: ABI mistmatch between nvidia module and libs
13:16 < rxr> oh - damn
13:16 < rxr> and, anything else ?
13:18 < tilix> second: xdetect can`t find the path for ddcprobe and lspci - says "command not found"
13:19 < tilix> libkspell2 is missing for koffice
13:19 < tilix> running 'sudo /tmp/xdetect'
13:20 < rxr> ah - but when it is run at bootup it does not yield an error about lspci, dose it sss
13:20 < rxr> ? even
13:20 < tilix> couldn`t see
13:20 < tilix> :(
13:20 < rxr> ok - new nvidia module injected - I only rebuild the kernel - did not remebered that the nvidia module is newer now . ..
13:21 < tilix> and another question - koffice is 1.4 beta 1. Why Krita is not included?
13:21 < tilix> r13? :-)
13:21 < rxr> no idea ...
13:21 < rxr> should krita be in the beta sss
13:21 < rxr> ? even ...
13:22 < rxr> checking if krita should be compiled... no
13:22 < rxr> does it need an --enable-krita=yes during configure ?!?!?
13:22 < tilix> maybe
13:23 < tilix> it`s a new app, replacement for The GIMP
13:23 < rxr> yep - saw it ...
13:24 < tilix> i saw DBUS and HAL starting. Good :)
13:24 < rxr> they do not yet work quite right on the cd
13:24 < rxr> this is on the schedule for today
13:24 < rxr> libkspell2.so.0 => not found
13:25 < rxr> there it is ... ok
13:25 < rxr> let me inejct it ...
13:25 < tilix> btw, if it doesn`t take too much space, could you add xfonts-cyrillic?
13:25 < rxr> ouhm
13:26 < jeru> rxr: I guess r13 will be available before my download from gsmp is finished ;)
13:26 < rxr> (I would need to build them first ;-)
13:26 < rxr> jeru: download and rsync later
13:26 < jeru> rxr: that was my plan ;)
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13:36 < rxr> ok - mksquash running
13:36 * rxr finally getting breakfast rolls ...
13:37 < rxr> rsync when I'm back .,.
13:37 < rxr> compression takes aprox. 15m
13:54 < jeru> rxr: do yow have experience in writing flash roms which are soldered on board ?
14:00 < tilix> rxr: kernel 2.6.11.10 has been released
14:01 < rxr> jeru: not too much
14:02 < rxr> jeru: why do you ask ?
14:02 < rxr> tilix: oh
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14:04 < jeru> rxr: just opened a firewall appliance which isn't used anymore ... my hopes were that there is a CF in it but the flash is soldered on board ;)
14:05 < jeru> rxr: my plan was to "recycle" the box using T2 ;)
14:05 < rxr> sent 7819276 bytes received 166423 bytes 69744.10 bytes/sec
14:05 < rxr> much fun testing the rsync source
14:06 < tilix> hmm. it`s bigger now. I`m starting
14:06 < rxr> I hope koffice comes up, nvidia inclues the driver needed and the cyrilic fonts are included ...
14:06 < tilix> thanks
14:06 < rxr> tilix: No idea how the look like .,..
14:06 < jeru> haven't downloaded r12 because sth screwed up my last download at 97%
14:06 < rxr> never saw them ...
14:06 < rxr> jeru: just use it as rsync base ...
14:07 < tilix> my connection "screwed" up :(
14:07 < rxr> tilix: are the fonts your normally use bitmap ones lying in the misc/ folder of x11 ?
14:07 < jeru> rxr: crappy kget was deleting it :|
14:07 < rxr> jeru: ouhm .-((
14:07 < tilix> just a second
14:07 < jeru> rxr: but the second download I started will be finished in 10min ;)
14:08 < jeru> hopefully
14:08 < rxr> ok
14:08 * rxr breakfast ...
14:09 < tilix> well, kde is configured to use Bitstream Vera Sans, but the cyrilic font is diffrent, have to investigate it
14:10 < tilix> is there an option to set the locale? (like lang=bg in Knoppix)
14:11 < jeru> tilix: don't know if knoppix has such a feature
14:12 < tilix> jeru: you could add this line in the boot prompt
14:12 < jeru> tilix: ah I see ... have misread you question ... :)
14:13 < tilix> have to reboot now. I`ll resync later
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15:01 < valentin> over 1000 Words now and 13 pictures to take...
15:02 < valentin> i take a shower now
15:02 < rxr> how many kB are that? 10 ?
15:02 < valentin> and then i do the pictures and clean up
15:03 < valentin> rxr: approx 10 kB
15:03 < valentin> why ?
15:03 < rxr> just so
15:03 < rxr> maybe notify the publisher that they get it today ...
15:03 < rxr> not that they drop it if the think it will not come anymore ...
15:04 < valentin> rxr: i allready had mail contact with drilling
15:04 < valentin> i told him i will finish today
15:04 < valentin> (i fear they are quite nervous because of the cd anyway)
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15:07 < jeru> oh ... damn ... my laptop is saying slowly good bye ... "fan error" :/
15:07 < rxr> I gave them the download link today
15:07 < rxr> jeru: the IBM one sss
15:07 < rxr> ? even ...
15:07 < jeru> rxr: yes
15:07 < rxr> ouhm
15:08 < jeru> hmmm ... and I can't find the 3 year warranty extension stuff ...
15:09 < jeru> rxr: I guess ... now the "small one" will getting linux on it's HDD ;)
15:11 < jeru> rxr: is "/dev/ub" udev style ?
15:13 < jeru> my external USB hdd is now available as /dev/ub/a/disc ... but before it was /dev/scsi/...
15:16 < rxr> no - ub is a f*cking annoying driver ...
15:16 < rxr> that does not even work quite right
15:16 < rxr> in which kind of system is it used ?
15:17 * sparc-kly|U5 back
15:17 < jeru> rxr: holy sh*t ... than my I forgot to include sth. in my last kernel config ...
15:18 < rxr> jeru: is the kernel selfbuilt ?
15:18 < rxr> in T2 the crappy UB driver is marked broken and should never be built ...
15:19 < jeru> rxr: yes ... it's build with a custom kernel config
15:19 < rxr> ok - grep the t2 logs for ub and you will never want to build it again
15:20 < rxr> I have no idea how such a crap code could make it into the linux kernel
15:20 < rxr> usb-storage is what you want - exclusively
15:21 < jeru> yes ... I just want to have USB storage ...
15:23 < rxr> when ub is enabled some device ids are removed from usb-storage ...
15:23 < rxr> thus just having both criples usb-storage
15:48 < valentin> re
15:49 < valentin> there is a Linux VoIP client from QSC
15:49 < valentin> but i fear it is closed source
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15:52 < tilix> i still can`t rsync due to low speed. (provider problem)
15:52 < rxr> I'll reconnect in some seconds ... :-(
15:53 < tilix> it gives me 0.2 kb per sec. for example to google.com. There IS a problem, I`ve called the support center - "Oh, since you are under Linux, we can`t help you".
15:53 < rxr> I can imagine ..
15:54 < rxr> years ago some provider help desk top me my graphic driver might be the problem and told me to visit this Windos system control thing to switch to VGA 640x840x4(bit)
15:55 < rxr> I told them that this will most probably will never make a difference and I'm not under Windows anyway ...
15:55 < rxr> they qhere puzzled and had no other advice for me, too ...
15:55 < tilix> they just told me to restart my computer ...
15:56 < tilix> it`s terrible. slower than a MODEM
15:56 < tilix> even the fastest Bulgarian servers
15:57 < tilix> and this provider puts the users behind 4 proxies
15:58 < tilix> i should switch to DSL
16:02 < tilix> rxr: could you help me a little tracing the problem (since you are outside Bulgaria)? Ping border-router.bol.bg and btk-proxy.bol.bg to see if they are available.
16:08 < valentin> rxr: how would you translate KDE panel into german ?
16:08 < rxr> oeh
16:09 < rxr> just KDE Panel ;-) ?
16:09 < rxr> PING border-router.bol.bg (193.200.15.142): 56 octets data
16:09 < rxr> 64 octets from 193.200.15.142: icmp_seq=0 ttl=46 time=112.8 ms
16:10 < rxr> PING btk-proxy.bol.bg (213.91.162.127): 56 octets data
16:10 < rxr> 64 octets from 213.91.162.127: icmp_seq=0 ttl=45 time=159.8 ms
16:10 < tilix> thanks. the problem should be incide the network then... :(
16:17 < valentin> what is the easiest way to create a (red) oval/circle around a widget in a screenshot ?
16:19 < rxr> valentin: gimp?
16:19 < rxr> or inkscape
16:19 < valentin> how in gimp (except "freehand drawing") ?
16:19 < rxr> circle tool should do
16:20 < rxr> hm - however
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16:20 < rxr> valentin: this way
16:20 < rxr> do a selection - however you like ...
16:20 < rxr> e.g. a circular
16:20 < rxr> the right click
16:20 < rxr> select -> to path
16:21 < keinek> hi
16:21 < keinek> morning
16:21 < keinek> rxr i need help
16:21 < keinek> i forguet how configure pppoe
16:21 < valentin> thanx rxr
16:22 < valentin> keinek:
16:22 < valentin> ppp eth1
16:22 < valentin> pppoe
16:22 < valentin> ppp_defaults
16:22 < rxr> then open the path tool
16:22 < valentin> ppp_speed_defaults
16:22 < keinek> ok
16:22 < rxr> dialogs -> path
16:22 < rxr> +s
16:22 < keinek> and user and pass?
16:22 < valentin> ppp_option user xxxxxxxxxx
16:22 < valentin> ppp_option password xxxxxxxxxx
16:22 < rxr> and the rith click on the path and select stroke path
16:22 < valentin> ah, and do not forget the interface header
16:23 < valentin> rxr: i'll try
16:23 < keinek> thanks valentin i will try
16:30 < tilix> rxr: the support center told me that my computer must be full of viruses (even under Linux) :) :) :)
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16:33 < rxr> poor tilix
16:38 < jeru> re hi
16:38 < rxr> hi
16:39 < jeru> rxr: finaly my laptop is running again ... but I've to send it away anyway
16:40 < valentin> have to leave soon for breathe and push ...
16:41 < jeru> rxr: any news regarding livecd ... have finaly downloaded r12
16:42 < rxr> rsync from my box I would say and give it some spins ...
16:43 < jeru> ok syncing nwo ;)
16:44 < jeru> at what revision we are ?
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17:08 < valentin> cu later
17:08 < jeru> cu valentin
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17:11 < tilix> rxr: bad news: something wrong with my LAN card. Do you know a way to test it?
17:11 < tilix> a program, or a script
17:11 < jeru> tilix: what's the problem ?
17:11 < rxr_> re#
17:12 < tilix> the problem is that it makes a very big "packet loss"
17:13 < jeru> tilix: do you have experienced such a behavior with the same NIC/Switch combination too ?
17:13 < jeru> tilix: what NIC do you use ?
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17:21 < jeru> rxr_: syncing livecd done
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17:47 < jeru> rxr_: btw, is the mailserver down ?
17:48 < jeru> no commit messages anymore ...
17:50 < rxr_> hm
17:50 < rxr_> oh - yeah - damn
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17:53 < jeru> ,oO( a good man this rxr is)o
17:53 < jeru> rxr: livecd is functioning on the Compaq d330m GeForce box ;)
17:53 < CIA-10> rene * r8909 /trunk/target/livecd/ (fixedfiles/ rootfs/): * renamed livecd/fixedfiles to rootfs - as in embedded and psion-pda
17:54 < jeru> rxr: everything seems to be loaded properly, even the gigabit nic + sound is functioning too ;)
17:54 < rxr> new hardware to add ?
17:54 < jeru> yep ...
17:54 < CIA-10> chris * r8913 /trunk/package/security/fwbuilder/fwbuilder.desc: * updated fwbuilder (2.0.5 -> 2.0.7)
17:55 < jeru> btw, the TFT issue seems to be solved too
17:55 < rxr> jeru: is this on nvidia ?
17:55 < jeru> rxr: yes :)
17:55 < rxr> is the nvidia driver used properly ?
17:55 < CIA-10> rene * r8910 /trunk/target/livecd/rootfs/ (XF86Config inittab login-shell system):
17:55 < CIA-10> * removed all the rootfs content - since it is pure crap - new stuff
17:55 < CIA-10> will appear soon
17:56 < CIA-10> chris * r8914 /trunk/package/perl/perl-xml-parser/perl-xml-parser.desc: * changed [P] to 139.000 because intltool needs it
17:56 < CIA-10> rene * r8908 /trunk/target/livecd/ (default.pkgsel pkg_gawk.conf pkg_modutils.conf):
17:56 < CIA-10> * added kdebase tweak to the livecd and removed the obsolete modutlis
17:56 < CIA-10> and gawk modifications ...
17:56 < jeru> rxr: yes ... it's loaded properly
17:58 < jeru> rxr: you should have all the specs for the web site update
17:58 < CIA-10> rene * r8907 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: * updated linux26 (2.6.11.9 -> 2.6.11.10)
17:58 < jeru> it's the HP/Compaq d330m box
17:58 < CIA-10> chris * r8912 /trunk/package/security/libfwbuilder/libfwbuilder.desc: * updated libfwbuilder (2.0.5 -> 2.0.7)
18:00 < rxr> jeru: ok
18:00 < CIA-10> rene * r8911 /trunk/target/livecd/download.txt:
18:00 < CIA-10> * removed syslinux download, we'll use grub, and syslinux should not
18:00 < CIA-10> be downloaded this way anyway
18:01 < jeru> rxr: testing the new boxes now, which arrived today
18:01 < rxr> nice
18:01 < rxr> I'm particularly proud of the new serial mice detection ,-)
18:02 < jeru> rxr: hehe :)
18:04 < jeru> rxr: but I remember, that the serial mouse connected to the d330m was also working before ... what's your new hack all about ?
18:05 < rxr> a serial mouse connected to a standard 16xxx UART ?
18:05 < rxr> aka COM1 / COM2 ?
18:07 < jeru> rxr: ahh! damn sorry ... no it's PS2 of course ;)
18:07 < rxr> yep PS2 just worked before ...
18:08 < jeru> rxr: on the new box which is connected to 15" CRT Nokia -> "Signal out of range"
18:08 < rxr> oh CRT ...
18:08 < rxr> what does ddcprobe say ?
18:09 < jeru> rxr: yes CRT ... I guess it should work with it too ;)
18:09 < jeru> mom ... checking
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18:18 < mnemoc> moin
18:18 < rxr> moin mnemoc
18:18 < mnemoc> rxr: apropos 8911, how do you think target specific downloads be downloaded?
18:18 < mnemoc> hi rxr
18:19 < jeru> hi mnemoc
18:19 < mnemoc> hi jeru
18:20 < rxr> downloading syslinux redundantly is definetly not the way - one package for it should be enough ...
18:21 < mnemoc> but syslinux is used by build.sh in this case
18:23 < rxr> mnemoc: free pascal package - to be named fpc or freepascal ?
18:23 < mnemoc> rxr: how do they call it?
18:23 < rxr> freepascal and fpc ...
18:24 < rxr> the source file is named fpc-2.0.0.tar.gz ...
18:24 < mnemoc> i would vote for fpc in that case
18:24 < mnemoc> but mono vs. mcs is the oposite case
18:24 < mnemoc> nah... fpc :)
18:24 < mnemoc> what do you prefer?
18:25 < jeru> have to reboot ... rxr will send you the output thereafter
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18:25 < rxr> fpc is a bit cryptic
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18:25 < rxr> I consider renaming my just started package to freepascal
18:25 < tilix> rxr: r13 rocks :)
18:26 < mnemoc> r13?!
18:26 < mnemoc> rxr: same with mono and mcs :)
18:26 < tilix> isn`t the latest r13?
18:26 < mnemoc> mine is r10 :p
18:26 < mnemoc> i have been away to long
18:27 < rxr> tilix: yep ...
18:27 < tilix> ark isn`t in the cd
18:28 < rxr> damn - my disk in the GSMP box is dieing more and more
18:30 < rxr> tilix: does koffice work now ?
18:33 < rxr> damn
18:33 < rxr> seems fpc needs pascal ...
18:33 < rxr> to build ..
18:34 < mnemoc> egg/chicken?
18:34 < rxr> yes - as ada
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18:36 < jeru> re
18:36 < jeru> rxr: you should have new mail
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18:37 < CIA-10> rene * r8915 /trunk/package/develop/fpc/ (. fpc.desc): * added fpc (2.0.0) - disabled by default - needs Pascal to build ...
18:37 < maddin> hi
18:38 < jeru> hi maddin
18:38 < mnemoc> rxr: fpc?
18:38 < mnemoc> hi maddin
18:38 < maddin> Is there a bug in t2Live r12? grub can't find the kernel
18:38 < maddin> hi jeru, mnemoc
18:39 < rxr> mnemoc: r11 ?
18:39 < mnemoc> :)
18:39 < mnemoc> ma
18:39 < rxr> mnemoc: free pascal compiler
18:39 < rxr> maddin: maybe this is due to a bad sector on the gsmp disc ... :-(((
18:39 < mnemoc> rxr: I consider renaming my just started package to freepascal
18:40 < rxr> mnemoc: decided against it - fpc is used on the net ...
18:40 < mnemoc> ok
18:40 < maddin> rxr: So, I can't test r12 now?
18:40 < rxr> r12 is not yet there, right ?
18:40 < rxr> ah - sorry
18:40 < rxr> me confused
18:41 < maddin> r12 is the last version ?!
18:41 < rxr> maddin: I copy the next right now ...
18:41 < mnemoc> rxr: r13 rocks :)
18:41 < rxr> tilix has it from my home box
18:41 < rxr> I copy that one to the server right now ..
18:42 < mnemoc> rsync = r13?
18:42 < rxr> yes
18:42 < maddin> rxr: I'm home now. The download-time is faster at uni :(
18:42 < rxr> maddin: it will be at gsmp in some minutes
18:43 < rxr> you could also rsync the few missing bits ...
18:43 < rxr> rsync -P rsync://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/public/live/t2.iso your-download-file.iso
18:44 < mnemoc> r10->r13 is slow :(
18:44 < maddin> wow, it's realy easy?! never use rsync
18:44 < tilix> the DEL key doesn`t work in Konsole. It prints ~
18:44 < rxr> yep a lot changed
18:44 < rxr> tilix: no idea ...
18:44 < mnemoc> maddin: rsync will change your life for ever
18:44 < rxr> tilix: in the latest version I set the X keyboard according to the kpersonalizer language
18:44 < rxr> did you select your language ?
18:45 < maddin> mnemoc: I will hope it :-)
18:45 < tilix> Only Bulgarian locale, kdei18n_bg is not available
18:45 < rxr> tilix: ok - me packaging ...
18:45 < mnemoc> tilix: doesn't exist or we don't have it?
18:45 < rxr> mnemoc: we don't have
18:45 < mnemoc> :)
18:45 < rxr> we only have the ones used by us so far since the all-in-one file is 100MB++
18:46 < mnemoc> kde :)
18:46 < mnemoc> how can a bunch of translation weight that?
18:47 < CIA-10> rene * r8916 /trunk/package/kde/kde-i18n-bg/: * prepared kde-i18n-bg
18:47 < rxr> mnemoc: a lot of strings ?
18:47 < tilix> rxr: thanks
18:47 < jeru> rxr: damn ... my collegues have moved away the small Compaq Evo I wanted to test :/
18:48 < tilix> anybody expert in mysql?
18:48 < jeru> rxr: btw, what about supported NICs ... you can add tg3 too (HP d330m)
18:48 < rxr> jeru: is it missing or do you report it working ?
18:49 < jeru> rxr: It's missing and I reported that it's working
18:50 < rxr> jeru: what frequency should the above monitor use ?
18:50 < rxr> can you check if removing the lines:
18:50 < rxr> HorizSync 24.0 - 80.0
18:50 < rxr> VertRefresh 50-100
18:50 < rxr> from the xorg.conf make it work ?
18:51 < jeru> rxr: oh ... that's a good question ... one moment please
18:51 < jeru> ok
18:51 < jeru> have to boot this box again because I moved to the next candidate ;)
18:52 < jeru> rxr: e100 NICs are also working
18:54 < rxr> can you paste the full ID string here ?
18:54 < rxr> of both tg4 and e100
18:54 < rxr> tg3 even
18:54 < rxr> == 05/17/05 18:53:50 =[9]=> Finished building package kde-i18n-bg.
18:55 < CIA-10> rene * r8917 /trunk/package/kde/kde-i18n-bg/ (7 files): * finalized the kde-i18n-bg package
18:56 < jeru> rxr: I guess the 15" nokia CRT wants to have 75Hz
18:58 < rxr> does removing the refresh lines make it work ?
18:58 < rxr> jeru: the compaq Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme BCM5782 Gigabit worked sss
18:58 < rxr> ? even ...
18:58 < jeru> rxr: if this is the one from the d330m -> yes
18:59 < mnemoc> jeru: how can i set epoz or kupu to be _the_ default editor?
18:59 < jeru> rxr: removing the lines in xorg,con was successful
18:59 < rxr> what is the CPU in the Compaq/HP d330m ?
18:59 < jeru> mnemoc: oh! I think it was set in the Plone Control Panel
18:59 < mnemoc> jeru: was?
19:00 < jeru> rxr: P4 2.8Ghz 512 MB RAM
19:00 < rxr> thanks
19:00 < jeru> mnemoc: do you speak german ?
19:00 < mnemoc> jeru: babel does
19:01 < jeru> mnemoc: mom ... have to start zope/plone
19:01 < rxr> jeru: for the new nics and boards please a new report ,-)
19:01 < rxr> so I do not mix this all up
19:01 < mnemoc> jeru: do you speak spanish? http://www.geeks.cl/~amery/Raulitio%20el%20Friki/
19:02 < jeru> mnemoc: you know ... I don't :)
19:02 < mnemoc> :|
19:03 < jeru> mnemoc: I thought it was configured in Plone Setup ... but only the external editor feature is configured there
19:04 < jeru> mnemoc: as far as I see one can configure the editor in the personal settings
19:05 < jeru> my preferences blah ...
19:05 < jeru> but have no idea how to set it system wide
19:05 < mnemoc> jeru: portal_memberdata/properties -> wysiwyg :)
19:05 < jeru> for now at least
19:05 < jeru> :D
19:06 < jeru> mnemoc: please paste your knowledge in text file please ;)
19:06 < mnemoc> jeru: have you tried ldap groups with non DN membership?
19:06 < mnemoc> jeru: what text file?
19:06 < jeru> mnemoc: no sorry
19:06 < jeru> mnemoc: just create a textfile for me with all the things you find out ;)
19:07 < jeru> mnemoc: or create sth. else what I can read ;)
19:07 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you think it's cleaner, java and mono on stage 3 or java and mono at early prio?
19:07 < mnemoc> jeru: ok :)
19:07 < rxr> early prio
19:08 < mnemoc> rxr: qok
19:09 < jeru> .oO( I've to burn a second livecd for testing)o
19:09 < rxr> ?
19:09 < mnemoc> -q
19:09 < mnemoc> t2.iso 22437995 3% 2.26kB/s 66:42:36 :'(
19:10 < jeru> rxr: just for testing more than one machine at once
19:10 < maddin> 555790036 98% 8.01kB/s 0:20:29 :)
19:11 < mnemoc> maddin: what are you updating?
19:11 < mnemoc> maddin: i had r10
19:11 < rxr> r12 crippled to r12 I think
19:11 < maddin> mnemoc: t2-live-2.2.0-alpha-r12.iso
19:12 < rxr> I'm right now optimizing the xorg config ...
19:12 < rxr> to only inject vert and hoiz defines when no DDC is present ...
19:12 < rxr> maddin: T2 r12 is the first Linux version I know off that is capable to detect serial mices ...
19:12 < rxr> just as an example where we are heading ...
19:12 < rxr> T2 @Live 2.2 will become the most easy to use operating system ever ...
19:13 < rxr> that is my master plan right now ...
19:13 < maddin> rxr: I have read it
19:13 < rxr> it even can detect serial connected modems ...
19:13 < rxr> just valentin needs to incooperate that into his upcomming graphical network tool
19:13 < tilix> rxr: good
19:14 < rxr> and later on we will discover dhcp by default as well as try to guess the default router and save IP on network traffic if any ...
19:14 < maddin> firewire hd work, too? it is tested?
19:14 < mnemoc> rxr: how?
19:14 < rxr> firewire CD-ROM worked
19:14 < maddin> I can test HD, too.
19:15 < rxr> mnemoc: test if the NIC has a link - if yes try DHCP - if this fails listen to the traffic for say 3 seconds - if traffic parse the routed out of that and take an IP that appears unused ...
19:15 < rxr> just as default for first boot - until the user defines s.th. in the ez-net-conf
19:16 < mnemoc> :D
19:16 < maddin> Is there a configuration file, which is loading at boot-time (from floppy, hd) for my settings?
19:16 < mnemoc> rxr: have you tried arpwatch-NG?
19:17 < rxr> nope
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19:20 < sparc-kly> i install today T2 desktop
19:20 < sparc-kly> but i have network problem
19:21 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: what network problem?
19:21 < sparc-kly> i dont have internet . :S only have access in my lolcal network .
19:22 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: paste me on query your etc/conf/network (or etc/network/config if the iso is old)
19:22 < sparc-kly> 0ok wait
19:24 < jeru> ok ... have to move away now... cu later ...
19:24 < sparc-kly> my config esta en blanco
19:25 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: so write it :)
19:26 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: stone network can help you
19:26 < sparc-kly> root@amd:~# ifconfig
19:26 < sparc-kly> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0A:E6:26:73:1C
19:26 < sparc-kly> inet addr:192.168.1.2 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
19:26 < sparc-kly> inet6 addr: fe80::20a:e6ff:fe26:731c/64 Scope:Link
19:26 < sparc-kly> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
19:26 < sparc-kly> RX packets:1427 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
19:26 < sparc-kly> TX packets:1157 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
19:26 < sparc-kly> collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
19:26 < sparc-kly> RX bytes:525815 (513.4 Kb) TX bytes:144508 (141.1 Kb)
19:26 < sparc-kly> Interrupt:11 Base address:0xd400
19:26 < sparc-kly> q va en ese file
19:26 < sparc-kly> en config
19:27 < mnemoc> uhm
19:27 < mnemoc> iirc network config is documented
19:27 < sparc-kly> yo estoy conectado via ssh aqui en mi network local a T2 pero si hago un ping hacia afuera me jodo .
19:28 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: _english_ here please
19:28 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: or query
19:28 < sparc-kly> im sorry .
19:29 < sparc-kly> paste me wtf ypu have in /etc/network/config
19:29 < mnemoc> stone network should guide you but minute
19:32 < rxr> next t2 live release in 30min++ I hope
19:32 < rxr> with enhaced xorg.conf and kdeutils ,-)
19:32 < rxr> (for ark and friends) and more correct dbus usage ...
19:32 < mnemoc> rxr: i'm still downloading r13 :(
19:32 < jeru> rxr: oh! but unfortunately I've to leave now ...
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19:33 < jeru> bye bye
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19:34 < tilix> rxr: i`ll sync to t14 tomorrow. I have to leave now
19:34 < tilix> bue
19:34 < tilix> bye
19:34 < tilix> :)
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19:43 < sparc-kly> shit same problem
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19:43 < sparc-kly> T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environm
19:43 < sparc-kly> 17:13 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@66-50-33-174.prtc.net] has joined #t2
19:43 < sparc-kly> 17:13 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of
19:43 < sparc-kly> System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
19:43 < sparc-kly> 17:13 -!- Topic set by menomc [] [Fri Apr 15 22:33:34 2005]
19:43 < sparc-kly> 17:13 [Users #t2]
19:43 < sparc-kly> 17:13 [ _Lewellyn] [ CIA-10] [ maddin] [ nzg] [ sparc-kly ] [ valentin]
19:43 < sparc-kly> 17:13 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr] [ sparc-kly[WORK]]
19:43 < sparc-kly> 17:13 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 11 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 11 normal]
19:43 < sparc-kly> 17:13 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 19:15:33 2004
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19:43 < sparc-kly> 17:13 < sparc-kly> shit same problem
19:43 < sparc-kly> sorry
19:43 < sparc-kly> i hate my mouse config
19:44 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: do you have dhcp?
19:44 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: to set it static do:
19:44 < mnemoc> ip 192.168.5.100/24
19:45 < mnemoc> gw 192.168.5.1
19:45 < mnemoc> nameserver 192.168.5.2
19:45 < sparc-kly> i have dhcp
19:45 < maddin> r12: mplayer missed libbio3jack.so.0
19:47 < sparc-kly> i look this machine in router
19:47 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: did you change your init to stage 3+ ?
19:48 < sparc-kly> no
19:48 < maddin> r12 BUG: xscreensaver-demo missed libglade-2.0.so.0
19:49 < mnemoc> sparc-kly: /etc/rc.d/init.d/network start
19:49 < rxr> maddin: oh
19:49 < sparc-kly> root@amd:~# /etc/rc.d/init.d/network start
19:49 < sparc-kly> Setting up network devices. .......................................................................................................................................... v
19:50 < sparc-kly> Unknown profile: 'default' :-(
19:50 < sparc-kly> profile ?
19:51 < sparc-kly> wait im back in minute
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19:51 < maddin> rxr: which software is use openGL and is add to t2@live? some screenserver? to test openGL-support
19:53 < rxr> maddin: with nvidia ?
19:54 < maddin> yes
19:55 < rxr> that will not work yet
19:55 < rxr> because the f*cking nvidia crap needs it's on libraries ...
19:55 < rxr> however I could add copying them to the right place if nvidia hardware is detected to the next version ...
19:56 < rxr> ok - xscreensaver libs added ...
19:57 < maddin> rxr: mplayer missed libbio3jack.so.0
19:57 < rxr> oh
19:57 < rxr> thanks
19:58 < rxr> ldd /usr/bin/mplayer
19:58 < rxr> are more listed to be missing ?
19:58 < maddin> rxr: Firewire-Harddisk work fine (SBP2)
19:58 < rxr> good
19:58 < rxr> automounting will come soon
19:59 < maddin> do you use automount?
19:59 < rxr> libjack is missing as well
19:59 < rxr> we'll use D-BUS / HAL for really sophisticated device discovery, auto mounting and user mounting
19:59 < rxr> T2 @Live will rock in some days
19:59 < maddin> it's fine
20:00 < _Lewellyn> rxr: i'm looking forward to upgrading from rock to T2, once your live stuff is released as part of a full release :)
20:00 < maddin> Knoppix will show the partition as KDE-Desktop-Icons. It's a good idea
20:01 < rxr> knoppix consists of nothing but hacks ...
20:01 < rxr> T2 will use a real infrastructure for this ...
20:01 < maddin> okay, but it must good work and must be easy for all users
20:02 < rxr> maddin: if it would not be good I wouldn't use it ...
20:02 < _Lewellyn> rxr: out of curiosity, which ksh does t2 include? pdksh or the real ksh?
20:03 < rxr> so far only pdksh
20:03 < rxr> in the shell repository we have:
20:03 < rxr> ash bash bashcompletion dash kiss mc pdksh sash tcsh zsh
20:04 < rxr> seems my disk is really falling apart ..
20:04 < rxr> damn
20:04 < _Lewellyn> hrm. can i request "real" ksh? :)
20:04 < rxr> sure ...
20:04 < _Lewellyn> i find the whole ast thing too difficult to actually get it compiled
20:04 < rxr> if it comiples we are open to add it - or accept a patch to do so ,-)
20:04 < _Lewellyn> and pdksh is subtly incompatible.
20:05 < _Lewellyn> http://www.research.att.com/sw/download/ is the location to obtain it.
20:05 < rxr> ok - I add it soon
20:06 < _Lewellyn> it's supposedly easy to script the install, but i can never get it to work.
20:06 < _Lewellyn> so i live with things like a broken typeset ;)
20:06 < rxr> hm
20:06 < rxr> it compiles but has runtime errors ?
20:06 < _Lewellyn> no, i can never get their package script to work.
20:06 < _Lewellyn> i'll try it again in a few mins.
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20:19 < maddin> rxr: add xlock to t2@live ?
20:19 < rxr> maddin: ok - but not in the enxt days
20:19 < rxr> maddin: can you prepare some sheet where you write such things down?
20:21 < maddin> yes, i can do it. but have not realy time for testing t2
20:21 < rxr> you do right now ...
20:26 < _Lewellyn> rxr: RE: ksh. if you follow the {ksh} link rather than ast-ksh, you get a binary. That is probably far easier than dealing with the ast source system.
20:26 < rxr> _Lewellyn: we only build from source ...
20:26 < rxr> the only exeption is for proeritary stuff where no source ie available ...
20:26 < rxr> such as java or nvidia crap ...
20:28 < _Lewellyn> rxr: i'm still working on getting it to build from source. i'm gonna be stubborn this time.
20:28 < _Lewellyn> but in the mean time, i have a working real ksh for the first time on this machine.
20:29 < rxr> on my box is what I might label r14 ...
20:29 < rxr> for the people rsyncing ...
20:32 < _Lewellyn> rxr: apparently, the latest information on at&t's site for building from source works well.
20:32 < rxr> nice
20:32 * rxr off a bit - cu later
20:32 < _Lewellyn> adios
20:32 < _Lewellyn> have a good night
20:32 < maddin> bye rxr
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21:13 < rxr> re
21:22 < _Lewellyn> hoi
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21:25 < sparc-kly> anyone help me to set my network here ?
21:26 < mnemoc> what do you need?
21:41 < rxr> _Lewellyn: I find the ast-ksh a bit ugly to package, could you do so ?
21:45 < _Lewellyn> i'm still trying to figure out exactly what would be needed to package it
21:45 < _Lewellyn> is testing the binary important?
21:46 < _Lewellyn> also, the pdksh manpage will have to no longer be called ksh.1
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21:56 < rxr> _Lewellyn: I can fix the later easily ..
21:56 < _Lewellyn> ya, i figured that would be easy. but i just noticed that ;)
21:56 < rxr> no - testing the binary is not needed
21:58 < _Lewellyn> ok. let me figure out what is actually needed to get the thing working.
21:58 < rxr> do you work on a t2 checkout ?
21:58 < _Lewellyn> should localization be included, or would that be an additional package.
21:58 < _Lewellyn> no t2 for me yet.
21:59 < _Lewellyn> which is why i was asking about upgrade paths from rock.
21:59 < rxr> the 2.1 path is "drop in replacement"?
21:59 < rxr> s/?//
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22:02 < _Lewellyn> and then upgrading to 2.2 should be fairly simple, right?
22:05 < sparc-kly> i start a livecd build
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22:10 < rxr> sparc-kly: the live-cd target is not yet complete ...
22:10 < rxr> I recommend not to build it right now ...
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22:22 < maddin> gn8 all
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22:22 < _Lewellyn> sleep well, maddin
22:22 < _Lewellyn> rxr: i may upgrade to t2 this evening (pacific time)
22:22 < _Lewellyn> any caveats i should be aware of?
22:23 < sparc-kly> desktop is complete ?
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22:23 < veki> #wikimedia
22:23 < veki> hi all
22:24 < rxr> _Lewellyn: please use the 2.1 branch ,-)
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22:30 < _Lewellyn> i should use the latest beta iso to install?
22:30 < mnemoc_> uhm
22:30 < mnemoc_> last ISO is beta3 .... but updating from beta3 to rc1 is not O(1)
22:31 < _Lewellyn> is there a planned iso for rc1?
22:31 < mnemoc_> but you can build rc1 on beta3 without torbules :)
22:31 < _Lewellyn> i'd rather not deal with building rc1 right now.
22:31 < rxr> yes - when we tag rc1 there will be an iso
22:31 < mnemoc_> _Lewellyn: i need to finish java problems before releasing it
22:31 < _Lewellyn> about to upgrade machines, and i'm behind at work.
22:32 < _Lewellyn> waiting for an api to be finalized before i do too much work today :)
22:38 < _Lewellyn> rxr: what path should ksh install to?
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22:40 < CIA-10> amery * r8918 /trunk/misc/share/PKG-FLAGS: * added KAFFE package flag
22:41 < rxr> but that is easily tweakable I hope ..
22:41 < rxr> in fact it should honor the $prefix variable
22:44 < rxr> oh my /bin got lost ...
22:44 < CIA-10> amery * r8919 /trunk/package/java/java-dirtree/ (java-common-conf.in java-conf.in parse-config):
22:44 < CIA-10> * splitted java-conf.in into java-common-conf.in, java-conf.in and parse-config
22:44 < CIA-10> * changed JAVA_HOME detection to try kaffe if package has KAFFE flag
22:44 < CIA-10> * set CLASSPATH on parse-config
22:44 < _Lewellyn> i'm rereading how packages work. been a while.
22:46 < rxr> mnemoc_: KAFFE for ?
22:47 < mnemoc_> java packages which build with kaffe
22:47 < mnemoc_> all build with sun and ibm thing. but not all with kaffe
22:47 < mnemoc_> like dietlibc ;)
22:49 < rxr> ic - good to know ,-)
22:51 < rxr> cool
22:52 < rxr> I just inserted an audio disk in my DVD and got a bunch of HAL stuff scrolling by discovering insertion of a audio cd ...
22:52 < rxr> quite interesting ...
22:53 < rxr> 3982: 22:50:43.919: probe-volume.c:217: Disc in /dev/hdb has audio
22:53 < rxr> 22:50:43.941 [I] blockdev.c:169: Update mount point for /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_part_1_size_601683968 (device_file /dev/hdb)
22:53 < rxr> 22:50:43.941 [I] blockdev.c:194: Clearing mount point for /dev/hdb
22:59 < valentin> re
23:00 < rxr> rehi valentin
23:00 < rxr> valentin: you also want a linux where an audio cd insertion starts your favourite KDE audio cd player ?
23:01 < valentin> oehm - i cannot insert an audio cd while the live cd is in the drive
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23:03 < valentin> autostart would be a nice feature, though i would turn it of in my personal installation
23:04 < rxr> how war your breath course ?
23:05 < valentin> quite good
23:05 < valentin> i was surprised how exhausting some of the techniques are
23:05 < valentin> if you have to do it for 90 seconds
23:07 < valentin> grummel 4.0 is out
23:08 < rxr> ?
23:08 < valentin> grummel is a knoppix variant for "sysadmins" whatever the f. that means
23:09 < rxr> guess not the best
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23:14 < CIA-10> rene * r8920 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/etc_shells.txt: * added pdksh to /etc/shells
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23:15 < _Lewellyn> rxr: i'm almost done with the att ksh package.
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23:16 < rxr> and I mostly cleaning the pdksh package ,-)
23:17 < rxr> valentin: I should have added a headphone amp to the tiny self-made amplifier of us
23:23 < valentin> yeah - i know
23:24 < rxr> today is not my day - made the 3 typos in a single line
23:24 < _Lewellyn> hm. are there any examples of packages which don't use make?
23:24 < rxr> and needed three trail'n error to find them all ...
23:24 < rxr> there should be quite a few ...
23:24 < rxr> I think this should do:
23:25 < rxr> makeopt=""
23:25 < rxr> makeinstopt=""
23:25 < rxr> hook_add inmake 5 "what you wanna do"
23:25 < _Lewellyn> ah. ok. .conf files are not well documented in the handbook :/
23:28 < rxr> /usr/src/t2-trunk/build/default-2.2.0-alpha-x86-pentium-mmx-desktop/TOOLCHAIN/tools.native/wrapper/install -c -m 644 ksh.1 /usr/man/man1/`echo ksh|sed 's/ksh/pdpdksh: bin/pdksh
23:28 < rxr> pdksh: usr/share/man/man1/pdksh.1
23:28 < rxr> oops ..
23:28 < rxr> first one should have been:
23:28 < rxr> pdksh: bin/pdksh
23:33 < CIA-10> rene * r8921 /trunk/package/shells/pdksh/pdksh.conf:
23:33 < CIA-10> * rewrote pdksh without so much legacy code
23:33 < CIA-10> * install as pdksh (leave ksh for the AT&T original)
23:33 < _Lewellyn> i think all i have left is getting it installed now :)
23:34 < _Lewellyn> my poor slow machine, spending all day compiling ;)
23:36 < rxr> Gentoo's Portage to be ported to Windows Services for UNIX
23:37 < _Lewellyn> poor windows users
23:37 < rxr> http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10616
23:38 < _Lewellyn> what sfu needs is to be integrated into the normal windows systems
23:38 < _Lewellyn> such as add/remove programs
23:40 < rxr> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/1049
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23:45 * _Lewellyn sighs
23:45 < _Lewellyn> i think everyone had unrealistic expectations in regards to safari
23:45 < mnemoc> re :(
23:45 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i thought you were going to sleep?
23:46 < mnemoc> 17:47 here :)
23:47 < _Lewellyn> oh
23:47 < mnemoc> my ISP got a radius problem
23:47 < _Lewellyn> ah. yes. you're on a dsl line in santiago :)
23:47 < rxr> _Lewellyn: what do you mean with safari ?
23:48 < _Lewellyn> rxr: the whole khtml brouhaha
23:48 < rxr> we have apple hardware and boot osx sometimes ... - safari is not such a mavolous browser
23:48 < rxr> in fact this de-mavelous is true for the whole osx beast ...
23:48 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: rancagua :)
23:48 < _Lewellyn> apple has a well-known history of not even letting bug reporters know the status of their bugs. why would their source control be any looser?
23:49 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: close enough. i bet the lat and long i have is probably a bit off, too :)
23:50 < mnemoc> :)
23:50 < mnemoc> what do you use to whois?
23:51 < _Lewellyn> internal tools. i'm still waiting for sample code in the office, so i'm tinkering.
23:51 < _Lewellyn> i don't think my nds lets me give more details. :(
23:51 < _Lewellyn> nda
23:51 < _Lewellyn> which is really sad because we do some really cool stuff :)
23:52 < rxr> _Lewellyn: how is ksh don' ?
23:52 < _Lewellyn> waiting for Yet Another Build.
23:52 < _Lewellyn> i have it eating one cpu, and a kernel compile eating the other.
23:53 < rxr> _Lewellyn: maybe you post your companies web address so we could take a guess in which field you are working ?
23:53 < _Lewellyn> www.kefta.com
23:53 < _Lewellyn> our site is way too filled with marketing-speak
23:54 < _Lewellyn> in fact, our site almost makes us look sleazy :(
23:56 < rxr> oh - san francisco ,-)
23:57 < _Lewellyn> yup
23:57 < _Lewellyn> 3pm. lunchtime here.
23:57 < rxr> oh - nearly 0:00 here ..
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