--- Log opened Thu May 26 00:00:53 2005 00:06 -!- _Ragnar_ [loki@216.250.77.230] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:07 -!- _Ragnar_ [loki@216.250.77.230] has joined #t2 00:12 -!- CIA-6 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Excess Flood] 00:12 -!- CIA-6 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 00:15 -!- Postal [~live@ool-435627d0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 01:10 -!- sparc-kly[U5] [~mubex@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 01:13 -!- mubex [~mubex@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has joined #t2 01:51 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.9.146] has joined #t2 01:51 < keinek> hi 01:51 < keinek> :) 02:58 < _Lewellyn> hoi 03:39 -!- mubex is now known as sparc-kly[U5] 03:39 -!- sparc-kly[U5] [~mubex@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has quit ["leaving"] 03:41 -!- sparc-kly[u5] [~mubex@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has joined #t2 05:01 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc-kly@65-23-199-219.prtc.net] has joined #t2 05:12 -!- sparc-kly [~sparc-kly@65-23-199-219.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:30 -!- CIA-6 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Excess Flood] 05:30 -!- CIA-6 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 06:27 < mnemoc> == 09:23:02 =[5]=> Building office/ooo [1.9-m104 2.1.0-rc1]. 06:27 < mnemoc> == 05/25/05 16:25:38 =[5]=> Finished building package ooo. 06:28 < _Lewellyn> woo! 06:28 < _Lewellyn> with or without java? ;) 06:28 * _Lewellyn knows the answer, yes. 06:29 < mnemoc> without ;) 06:29 < mnemoc> i'll commit and try with it 06:30 < _Lewellyn> so there will be 2 selections for ooo? 06:31 < mnemoc> nope 06:31 < _Lewellyn> oh :/ 06:31 < mnemoc> code to enable java support is disabled here 06:31 < mnemoc> and if it builds with it, i'll re-enable it 06:31 < _Lewellyn> what benefits do you get from the java support? 06:32 < _Lewellyn> besides bragging rights, of course ;) 06:32 < mnemoc> no idea what 'supports' i loose disabling it 06:33 < _Lewellyn> probably something i'll complain about ;) 06:33 < _Lewellyn> personally, i only use ooo when i don't feel like firing up vmware, though. 06:34 < mnemoc> :) 06:39 < CIA-6> amery * r9113 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.desc: * updated ooo (1.9-m100 -> 1.9-m104) 06:40 < _Lewellyn> so, if m104 has a build script, that means they must have pushed out an even newer ooo :) 06:40 < CIA-6> amery * r9114 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.conf: * disabled java support on ooo temporarily 06:40 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: m105 06:40 < _Lewellyn> unsurprising 06:41 < mnemoc> yep 06:48 < CIA-6> amery * r9115 /branches/2.1/package/java/java-dirtree/ (4 files): 06:48 < CIA-6> * merged 9091 from trunk: changed java-dirtree/parse-config to not try sun-jdk-150 for building ooo, it's officially unsupported. 06:48 < CIA-6> * merged 9108 from trunk: fixed java-dirtree/parse-config to remove outter world's JAVA_HOME and CLASSPATH 06:51 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.9.146] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:59 < CIA-6> amery * r9116 /branches/2.1/package/office/ooo/ (bdb43.patch ooo.conf ooo.desc t2-distro.patch): 06:59 < CIA-6> * merged 8679 from trunk: updated ooo (1.9-m90 -> 1.9-m100) 06:59 < CIA-6> * merged 8707,9089,9103 from trunk: changed ooo to allow bdb 4.3, adapted to bind java bindings 06:59 < CIA-6> * merged 9090 from trunk: marked ooo as NOPARALLEL, it is probed to need it 06:59 < CIA-6> * merged 9114 from trunk: disabled java support on ooo temporarily 07:39 < rxr> re 07:45 < _Lewellyn> re 07:51 < rxr> hi _Lewellyn 07:55 < _Lewellyn> you slept, and i'm still at work :( 07:55 < _Lewellyn> i suck 08:09 < sepp_> hmm how can i change the rights of a direcrtor in a tar.bz2 and convert it back to a gem ? 08:11 < rxr> http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=10673 08:12 < rxr> untar , change, tar and the run the mine command to create the .gem ... 08:12 < rxr> (note we want to get rid of gem soon) 08:12 < _Lewellyn> what will you replace gem with? 08:13 < sepp_> mine -what foo.tar.bz > foo.gem ? 08:14 < rxr> _Lewellyn: vanilla tar 08:15 < _Lewellyn> rxr: ala slackware? 08:15 < sepp_> the "help" output of mine is really strange 08:15 < rxr> sepp_: yes - but the -what is also what I would need to look up 08:15 < rxr> _Lewellyn: like rock had before, too 08:15 < rxr> the introduction of .gem and seg-faulting mine was one of the worst stuff ever ... 08:15 < rxr> ok - /me driving home to work - cu 08:15 < _Lewellyn> ya. but rock and slackware packaged differently inside. i preferred slackware's at the time 08:16 < _Lewellyn> see you soon 08:20 < _Lewellyn> hm. just skimmed that solaris article. 08:20 < _Lewellyn> firstly, he's comparing apples to oranges. 08:20 < _Lewellyn> secondly, he apparently didn't install the sfw package. 08:21 < _Lewellyn> thirdly, he didn't exercise any of the solaris-specific features. 09:12 < rxr> re 09:34 < rxr> /Users/rene/develop/exact-scan/AppController.M:675: internal compiler error: Bus error 09:34 < rxr> ^- my iBook on OSX ... 09:34 < rxr> selector:@@selector(timerAction) 09:34 < rxr> ^- guess due to the double @ ... 09:35 < rxr> yep 09:35 < rxr> .oO 10:25 -!- jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 10:25 < jeru> moin 10:29 < valentin> moin 10:32 < rxr> moin 10:32 < jeru> moin rxr, valentin 10:33 < rxr> hi jeru 10:36 < jeru> rxr: btw, is there a way to use fluxbox as default on the LiveCD ? 10:36 < rxr> no 10:36 < rxr> why do you ask ? 10:37 < jeru> rxr: I'd like to have a minimal rescue system with various network tools on it 10:37 < rxr> yeah - but that should be another livecd, right ? 10:37 < jeru> rxr: yes 10:37 < rxr> on another CD, you can have that as default of course ... 10:38 < jeru> rxr: cool :) 10:40 < rxr> any news regarding the embedded comp. in b. ? 10:40 < jeru> oh ... yes ... I 'll meet the chef next week 10:41 < jeru> I just talked to him on phone for about 5-10min. or so, and he was quite interested ... 10:42 < jeru> he is looking for some freelancers for realizing projects 10:42 < jeru> and he is very anti redmond 10:45 < rxr> aha 10:45 < rxr> ,-) 10:45 < rxr> tell me when you need support ,-) 10:46 < jeru> yeah ... in fact I "sold" our development network ;) 10:46 < jeru> rxr: ok ;) 10:47 < jeru> let's see what's coming out of the talks next week 10:50 < jeru> rxr: is initrd support automatically detected while building a kernel ? 10:50 < rxr> no, why? 10:51 < rxr> we always built one - and in 2.2 always need to build one ... 10:51 < jeru> so buildiung an initrd is default ? 10:51 < rxr> yes, of course 10:51 < jeru> hmmm ? 10:51 < jeru> this was not the case on my last kernel build on my test box 10:51 < rxr> what should it depend on ? CONFIG_MODULE ? 10:52 < rxr> an initrd was always built - since ROCK ages - but in the stone-age only an empty one 10:53 < rxr> why do you ask ? 10:53 < jeru> hmmm ... I'll try to build a fresh kernel again .... and looking for some problems ... perhaps I just did sth. wrong the last time 10:54 < jeru> rxr: I was just wondering to have no initrd in /boot after installing 10:55 < jeru> rxr: and btw, my last kernel seems to have other problems too ... because the machine don't come up 10:55 < rxr> which gcc do you have ? 10:55 < jeru> let's what I've screwed up there 10:56 < jeru> 3..4.3 10:56 < jeru> it's 2.1 10:56 < rxr> in 2.2 we have .3 again, too 10:56 < rxr> .4 miscompiled the kernel 10:56 < jeru> ah! yeah ... 11:31 < rxr> muahaha - TWAIN is soooo ugly 11:33 < rxr> valentin: can I phone you in the next minutes ? 11:55 < jeru> rxr: bte, ./scripts/Cleanup has a small typo in its help output 11:56 < jeru> I guess it should bCleanup -build instead of ./scripts/Cleanup -buld 12:03 < jeru> .oO( wondering about what stupid "IT consultants" existing on this planet)o 12:12 < jeru> .oO( he told me that they use digital signatures in their company ... but after I recognized that he don't know nothing about encryption ... he told me that their digital signatures are scanned hand written signatures, which they place as bitmap on docs )o . ..ehhrrmmm ... 12:13 < rxr> ehrm ?? 12:13 < rxr> you know - we also use digial signatures here ... 12:14 < rxr> this rxr and jeru lines between the time and the actual text ... 12:18 < valentin> jeru: i think he missunderstood the term "digital signature" 12:27 < rxr> valentin: assigning nil to an NSTimer reference is not enough to stop it ? 12:28 < rxr> - invalidate ... 12:29 < valentin> no 12:29 < valentin> yep 12:29 < valentin> the reference is just a handle to the timer 12:30 < valentin> aftern invalidate this handle is invalid, i assign nil for program logic 12:31 < valentin> the next three days will be horiffic hot 12:33 < rxr> good that my flat is soo cool ... 12:33 < rxr> maybe a bit hotter after 3 hot days ... 12:34 < rxr> hm - sparc crashed ? 12:34 < rxr> those uni sparc all majorly suck 12:34 < rxr> yep TRAPLOG: Trap level 2 3 and 4 .... 12:34 < rxr> on the framebuffer ... 12:34 < valentin> i could mount an old cpu cooler on my forehead ... 12:35 < rxr> valentin: do you want to review any osx change before I release ? 12:37 < valentin> hm, you mean i should read through the diffs ? 12:38 < valentin> are there any changes which are critical to my codeset ? 12:38 < rxr> well - all are messy ... 12:39 < rxr> ok - hack on t2 - more important 12:39 < valentin> :) 12:39 < valentin> just release it and let the customer test ... 12:39 < rxr> yep 12:40 < rxr> they want those changes to they get them ,-) 12:51 < jeru> rxr: ok ... test box is running again ... 12:59 < rxr> with all the people declaring not to sue the linux kernel regarding patents, we sooner or later need to implement all _in_ the kernel ... ,-) 12:59 < rxr> modporbe startkde 13:01 < rxr> syslog-ng 1.6.8 13:01 < jeru> rxr: I'll update syslog-ng 13:03 < rxr> cool aKAdemy 2005 is in Malaga ... 13:05 < rxr> oh - dual coe box @ aldi 13:06 < rxr> http://golem.de/0505/38265.html 13:07 < valentin> what is in malaga ? 13:07 < rxr> Landgericht Hamburg untersagt Google die Nutzung der E-Mail-Domain gmail.com 13:07 < valentin> huh ? 13:07 < rxr> http://golem.de/0505/38272.html 13:07 < rxr> valentin: kde, aKademy meeting 13:07 < valentin> they may judge over US companies ? 13:08 < rxr> for use in germany ... 13:08 < rxr> I hope Google will not quit my gmail account now ... 13:09 < rxr> T-Com: DSL auch f? 1/4 r Glasfaser-Kunden 13:10 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0505/38240.html 13:11 < valentin> btw: should i reconfigure my SDLS to do 768 kbit both up and downstream ? 13:11 < rxr> but that will enforce a volume limit or sos ? 13:12 < rxr> I think you can keep it running as it is - you should also have fun on the line - not only our visitors ... 13:12 * rxr rebooting into linux 13:13 < valentin> as far as i understood qsc i have this option as an old flatrate cutomer, too 13:14 < valentin> and i can reconfigure it once within 24h if i need a quick download 13:14 < valentin> oh - but the change demands reconnectiong the line - this sucks... 13:16 < rxr> re 13:16 < rxr> valentin: I read in some tiny print, that if you change this you have to use the new conditions including some volume limit ? 13:17 < rxr> no ? 13:19 < jeru> rxr: I've tested the LiveCD on a Todhiba notebook with 16:9 display already 13:23 < rxr> cool - mail soon? 13:23 < rxr> 16:9 working good ? 13:24 < jeru> rxr: yes ... you will get a mail if I get the damn usb stick mounted 13:25 < jeru> but the resolution isn't right 13:25 < jeru> it uses 1280x800 normally 13:25 < valentin> rxr: maybe the volume limit is true .. this will make that option completly unattractive 13:25 < jeru> but I guess you can hack this if you've the ddcprobe stuff 13:26 < rxr> valentin: I read over it when they announce it and wondered , too 13:26 < rxr> better do not touch it until you know for su 13:26 < rxr> re 13:29 < jeru> have to rebooot ... cu later 13:29 -!- jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 13:37 -!- jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 13:37 < jeru> re 13:38 < jeru> rxr: mail is out 13:40 < rxr> thanks 13:42 < jeru> I've resynced/rescheduled the ref build for 2.1. 13:43 < jeru> libpano + hiugin errors are gone now ... thanks sepp ;) 13:43 < jeru> current report is available here -> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/jeru/ref/regressions.html 13:46 < jeru> rxr: btw, do we need a current ref build for 2.2. too ? should I start one ? 14:00 < rxr> if you have free cpu cycles ... 14:05 < jeru> rxr: yes ... my test box must scream te whole day ... no idleing allowed :) 14:50 < rxr> it is stable now ? 14:57 < jeru> seems that it's stable now ... let's see what happens if it will have some load 15:04 < jeru> rxr: test box isn't stable ... freezed again :/ 15:05 < valentin> re 15:06 < rxr> hi valentin 15:06 < jeru> hi valentin 15:06 < rxr> jeru: .-( 15:07 < rxr> hm - this sparc stinks majorly ... 15:07 < rxr> now it frooze on bootup .. 15:07 < jeru> # cat /proc/partitions 15:07 < jeru> major minor #blocks name 15:07 < jeru> 3 0 120060864 hda 15:07 < jeru> 3 1 104391 hda1 15:07 < jeru> 3 2 257040 hda2 15:07 < jeru> 3 3 19543072 hda3 15:07 < jeru> 3 4 1 hda4 15:07 < jeru> 3 5 29302528 hda5 15:07 < jeru> is this normal behavior on a devfs enabled host ? 15:07 < rxr> yes 15:07 < rxr> you mean that you have old style names ? 15:08 < jeru> yes 15:08 < rxr> yes 15:08 < jeru> because lilo complains about some name change blah 15:08 < rxr> devfs only changes the /dev representation - not kernel internal names 15:08 < jeru> ah ok 15:08 < jeru> anyway I hate lilo 15:08 < rxr> those places use 'a' - major and such ... 15:08 < rxr> + of course 15:11 < valentin> http://maps.google.com/maps?q=Plant+42+in+Palmdale,+California&ll=34.637382,-118.082020&spn=0.005397,0.007832&t=k&hl=en 15:11 < valentin> ^-- does not work in konqueror 15:11 < rxr> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/05/26/125232.shtml?tid=198&tid=156&tid=106 15:14 < valentin> hm, google maps rock 15:14 < rxr> yep 15:16 < valentin> this mc Voi guy has any proof of his claims ? 15:16 < valentin> btw: i think he does not know the meaning of the term "reverse engineerint" 15:17 < valentin> ing 15:17 < jeru> valentin: I guess as much as the author from the FAZ article 15:17 < jeru> those FAZkes ... :) 15:33 < rxr> what is this Voy don' ? 15:34 < rxr> cloning long existing Source Control Sysstem ... 15:34 < rxr> how inovative ... 15:52 -!- mtr_ [~Michael@p54AFA85B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 15:57 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.9.146] has joined #t2 15:57 < keinek> hi 16:00 < rxr> how the LaTeX h*ll can I get some footnode into a dinbrief ? 16:00 < rxr> hi keinek 16:00 -!- mtr [~Michael@p54AFAFA0.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:04 < valentin> \footnote ? 16:07 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.229.219.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:10 < valentin> rxr: why is this file dos encoded ? 16:10 < rxr> huh ? 16:10 < rxr> oh - indeed 16:10 < valentin> it as carriage returns before \n 16:10 < rxr> no idea 16:11 < rxr> editing it in xemacs with utf8 for ages 16:11 < rxr> never noticed 16:12 < valentin> ouhm - ! LaTeX Error: File `utf8.def' not found. 16:14 < rxr> no tetex 3 ? 16:14 < valentin> not yet :/ 16:15 < jeru> btw, what is the difference between "Freistaat" and "Bundesland" in germany 16:15 < valentin> does not matter, except the umlauts everything works 16:15 < valentin> jeru: nothing 16:16 < valentin> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freistaat 16:16 < rxr> freistaaten have not signed the "Grundgeesetzt ,-)~ 16:17 < valentin> really ? 16:17 < rxr> As I heared recently Bayern has not signed s.th. like that yet 16:17 < rxr> etiher the Grundgesetzt or some other fu 16:17 < rxr> foundation contract 16:18 < rxr> " Bayern noch immer nicht das Grundgesetz unterschrieben. ." 16:18 < rxr> ^- google 16:19 < rxr> we should start a public movement to get bayern sign it before the MP becomes Supermenister 16:19 < rxr> but first I want to get my footer belog the letter ... 16:19 < valentin> we should start a public movement to separate from bavaria 16:19 < jeru> hey thanks guys ... no wonder that this f*ucking Beckstein is such a loud mouth 16:24 < rxr> valentin: any idea for my footer ? 16:25 < valentin> i have sth but it does not work :( 16:26 < rxr> maybe with fancyheader ? 16:26 < rxr> \usepackage{fancyhdr} 16:27 < valentin> try it 16:28 < rxr> damn- doesn't do anything 16:29 < valentin> same for my other package 16:29 < valentin> it does not work because dinbrief overides some sizes 16:30 < rxr> .o(it does not work because this TeX crap sucks ...) 16:31 < valentin> at least \footnote works 16:31 < valentin> there was something similar without numbers/small fonts 16:32 < valentin> and last but not least, as a hack you could place the footer with vfill 16:32 < valentin> where are jsaw and lars when we need them ? they allways know all latex stuff 16:33 < rxr> I could phone lars .. 16:34 < valentin> and congratulate 16:36 < valentin> this reminds me that i need a good latex book 16:52 < rxr> we rather need a usable replacement 16:55 < jeru> rxr: what do you have in mind as replacement for latex ? 16:56 < rxr> well - I have none right now - but s.th. not has hardcoded, cryptic and limited as tex ... 16:57 < valentin> yeah 16:57 < valentin> and something wich allows staight solutions for typesetting issues 16:58 < rxr> I would not invest into a tex book these days ... 16:58 < valentin> not this "take one of the hundred different packages to do it" 16:58 < rxr> one of the hundred packages that reimplements it all 16:59 < rxr> hm - as martin from the TFH just points out, the navy.mil is accessing T2 sources ... 17:00 < valentin> oh 17:00 < valentin> time to hide some backdoors ,) 17:01 < valentin> just joking 17:01 < rxr> you mean hide better ... 17:01 < rxr> we could just set new navigation on this battle cruser .... - 17:13 -!- rxr [~rene@e178175247.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 17:13 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 17:13 -!- Topic set by menomc [] [Sat Apr 16 00:33:34 2005] 17:13 [Users #t2] 17:13 [ _Lewellyn] [ dualopteron] [ keinek] [ nzg ] [ sparc-kly[u5]] 17:13 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jeru ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin ] 17:13 [ CIA-6 ] [ jsaw ] [ mtr_ ] [ SerWou] 17:13 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 17:13 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 17:13 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 7 secs 17:13 < rxr> re 17:23 -!- mipe [~Ark@dsl10040.japo.fi] has joined #t2 17:28 < jeru> I started a ref build for trunk ... the report is available at -> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/jeru/trunkref/regressions.html 17:44 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.9.146] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:50 < jeru> what the f*ck ... these people from Radio1 are real suckers ... why the hell we are paying GEZ for this kind of political propaganda ... 17:51 < rxr> what did they say 17:53 < rxr> valentin: anything in the bill you think should change ? 18:00 < valentin> nope 18:00 < valentin> (i did not spellcheck) 18:08 < rxr> one sentence was a bit mixed 18:08 < rxr> on grum is the final version 18:09 < rxr> including .dvi if you want to read it .. 18:09 < rxr> I used a ordenary \vfill and do not care that it is not that much a footer ... 18:09 < rxr> damn latex crap ... 18:10 < rxr> how is netconf don 18:10 < rxr> 'g ? 18:12 < valentin> going onwards 18:12 < valentin> for ppp the special rocknet behavior is still needed 18:12 < valentin> do you want to do it ? 18:15 < rxr> ouhmouhm 18:15 < rxr> my TODO is already long enough 18:15 < valentin> i did not say you have to 18:19 < CIA-6> chris * r9117 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/libprelude.desc: * updated libprelude (0.9.0-rc6 -> 0.9.0-rc7) 18:27 < CIA-6> chris * r9118 /trunk/package/base/libol/libol.desc: * updated libol (0.3.15 -> 0.3.16) 18:27 < CIA-6> chris * r9119 /trunk/package/base/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.desc: * updated syslog-ng (1.6.7 -> 1.6.8) 18:31 < jeru> rxr: can we do sth. like automatic notification for package updates ? 18:33 < rxr> of what kind ? mail ? 18:33 < rxr> or do you mean automatic by some server tracking them ? 18:33 < jeru> yes ... I mean not in T2 ... sth. like an automatic search for updates 18:34 < jeru> and notifying the package maintainer perhaps 18:36 < rxr> jeru: yes - I can do that easily - using my C++ UpdateList thing that is quite accurate 18:36 < rxr> I could even implement the search in top level dirs as needed for mozilla and gnome ... 18:36 < rxr> mail to some t2-auto-update@exactcode.de ? 18:37 < rxr> again windows commercial .. 18:37 < rxr> damn - M$ wants to sacrisfy my Star Trek experience ... 18:37 < jeru> rxr: I think sth. like that would be nice :) 18:38 < rxr> I'll implement it over the next days 18:38 < jeru> rxr: cool ... :) 18:39 < jeru> but we've to wipe out the "unmaintained" packages from rock ages ... 18:39 < rxr> what do you mean ? 18:39 < jeru> I mean ... changing the [M] flag for packages where still a rock maintainer is in 18:42 < jeru> I guess the rock people don't want to have some auto mails for update notification from us ... but perhaps they want it too ;) 18:43 < jeru> anyway ... this isn't very urgent ... so we can think/talk about it later ;) 18:52 < jeru> ok ... have to move home now ... cu later 18:59 -!- jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 19:07 < rxr> cu 19:52 < mnemoc> rehi 19:52 < rxr> hi mnemoc 19:52 < mnemoc> hi rxr 19:55 < rxr> ouhm - seems I have to fight spam on t2 soon ... 19:56 < mnemoc> and i my download mirror for 2.2 :) 19:56 < mnemoc> s/ i / add / 20:02 < rxr> and I your versioned mirror .. 20:02 < rxr> let me do this now .. 20:02 < rxr> what was the url *g* 20:03 < valentin> hi mnemoc 20:04 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/mirror/$sdever 20:04 < mnemoc> hi valentin 20:05 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFBE55.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 20:06 < jeru> re hi 20:07 < jeru> before I left the office linux24 failed on the trunk ref build. I've disabled it atm ... 20:07 < rxr> jeru: with adm8211 ? 20:08 < jeru> I don't know ... I had no time to review ... :/ 20:08 < rxr> ok 20:09 < jeru> but strangely the build faild because it couldn't find $buildroot/lib/modules/2.6.11.10-vs2.0-rc2 which is the host kernel I'm building on 20:09 < rxr> oj 20:10 < jeru> yes ... that looks real weird 20:10 < rxr> does anyone think I get money for a very old BNC 21"CRT ? 20:10 < rxr> on ebay ... 20:10 < rxr> and for a significant better but 17" CRT ? 20:10 < valentin> why do you want to get rid of it ? is it so bad ? 20:10 < jeru> rxr: don't know 20:11 < rxr> sucking too much energy and hurting my eyes ... 20:11 < valentin> shipping costs will kill each customer 20:11 < rxr> I wanted to convert to LCD since years - and I think in the next months it is time ... 20:11 < rxr> in berlin are enough people ... 20:11 < rxr> "hook up" shipping ... 20:11 < jeru> rxr: hehe ... I want to get rid of my 21" CRT too :) 20:12 < mnemoc> rxr: kaffe and classpath need X and they are needed for bdb.... any better suggestion than repriorizing they after X and adding them to stage 3? 20:13 < rxr> X in 3 ? 20:13 < valentin> rxr: orthopedic specialists cost will kill each customer, too 20:13 < mnemoc> rxr: JDKs in 3 20:13 < valentin> i thought we wanted to get rid of all those intermediate stages ? 20:13 < mnemoc> rxr: X in 3?? that would enlarge the build time a lot 20:14 < rxr> mnemoc: are both of your servers versioned that way ? 20:14 < mnemoc> rxr: yes 20:14 < rxr> valentin: yes 20:14 < rxr> mnemoc: you told me java needs X and that you want java in 3 - doesn't this enforce X in 3 ? 20:15 < mnemoc> rxr: i can disabled X support for the first java build 20:15 < mnemoc> rxr: bdb and gettext don't need X, but they need java 20:15 < mnemoc> rxr: *yack* 20:15 < rxr> ouhm 20:15 < rxr> that is *yuck* 20:15 < mnemoc> :) 20:16 < jeru> hi mnemoc :) 20:16 < mnemoc> hi jeru 20:16 < rxr> well - may I say this sucks ?? 20:16 < mnemoc> ack 20:17 < mnemoc> sucks as much as kernel needing perl 20:19 < rxr> http://exactcode.de/cgi-bin/t2-mirrors.cgi?2.1.0-rc4 20:19 < rxr> http://exactcode.de/cgi-bin/t2-mirrors.cgi?2.2.0-alpha 20:19 < rxr> all fine ? 20:19 < mnemoc> yes :D 20:20 < mnemoc> thanks a lot 20:20 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 187689.000 20:20 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 145597.000 20:20 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 15488.000 20:20 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 17000.000 20:20 < rxr> INFO: Testing ... ok 38601.000 20:20 < rxr> INFO: Using mirror . 20:20 < rxr> ok - TODO shriking ... 20:21 < rxr> well - regarding your bdb issue - can't the bdb java wrapper whatever be build as a seperate package ? 20:23 < mnemoc> rxr: i guess everying is 'possible' 20:23 < mnemoc> everything* 20:25 < _Lewellyn> rxr: anything new on the livecd front? 20:26 < _Lewellyn> i'm about to rsync and test against that pretty dell and see what happens :) 20:27 < mnemoc> rsync --inplace is nice 20:27 < _Lewellyn> what's that? 20:27 < rxr> _Lewellyn: nope - not yet 20:27 < mnemoc> handle the parts inside the definitive file, instead of temporal 20:27 < mnemoc> so you can abort your rsync 20:28 < rxr> _Lewellyn: but in the next days it will have goold old ISA PnP hardware detection 20:28 < rxr> and I already fixed (but not yet rebuild the livecd) with proper ID in the marvel sk98lin driver 20:28 < rxr> and I think valentins network config should be ready some time soon 20:28 < rxr> mnemoc: --partial can also be aborted AFAIK 20:29 < mnemoc> rxr: not here 20:29 < rxr> --partial 20:29 < rxr> By default, rsync will delete any partially transferred file if 20:29 < rxr> the transfer is interrupted. In some circumstances it is more 20:29 < rxr> desirable to keep partially transferred files. Using the --par- 20:29 < rxr> tial option tells rsync to keep the partial file which should 20:29 < rxr> make a subsequent transfer of the rest of the file much faster. 20:29 < _Lewellyn> rxr: the machine has no isa devices :) 20:29 < _Lewellyn> the one i'm on does, though :( 20:30 < _Lewellyn> and that wrapped badly here :( 20:30 < rxr> PBButtonsd 0.6.10 - "This release fixes the problem that under certain circumstances caused 100% CPU load. " 20:30 < rxr> ^- that is a crappy program 20:30 < mnemoc> rxr: try aborting after 80% of the .iso is downloaded and start it again 20:30 < rxr> we once wanted to change a few bits but gave up due to too ugly C crap code .. 20:30 < valentin> rxr: indeed 20:31 < _Lewellyn> what does that program do? 20:31 < rxr> _Lewellyn: power management user space management for PowerPC PMU 20:31 < rxr> simillar to apmd acpid ... 20:32 < _Lewellyn> rxr: and it's probably too much work to reimplement? :( 20:33 < valentin> _Lewellyn: depends - at least it is some ugly work 20:33 < CIA-6> rene * r9120 /trunk/package/network/libidn/libidn.desc: * updated libidn (0.5.16 -> 0.5.17) 20:34 < CIA-6> rene * r9121 /trunk/package/powerpc/pbbuttonsd/pbbuttonsd.desc: * updated pbbuttonsd (0.6.7 -> 0.6.10) 20:34 < _Lewellyn> suck :( 20:35 < _Lewellyn> rxr: so, you don't forsee a new livecd in the next 12 hours? 20:36 < rxr> I think sooner or later all those apm acpi pmu stuff will trigger hal events distributed via dbus 20:36 < rxr> no proeritary platform hack deamons ... 20:36 < rxr> _Lewellyn: nope 20:36 < _Lewellyn> that would at least centralize things some 20:36 * _Lewellyn is a fan of centralization, many times. 20:37 < _Lewellyn> and i can rsync from you again? 20:37 < rxr> yeah - and fix stuff like the pbbuttonsd application link via shared memory whatever, that can leavs your share memory locked when it of clients die .. 20:37 < rxr> _Lewellyn: yes - but the release on my box is still the one from 2-3 days ago ... 20:37 < _Lewellyn> shared memory sucks. 20:38 < _Lewellyn> well, rsync won't do much if nothing has changed ;) 20:38 < rxr> yep 20:38 < _Lewellyn> not sure i got the latest update. 20:38 < rxr> ok 20:38 < rxr> cu later 20:38 < _Lewellyn> ok. have a good evening 20:41 -!- mipe [~Ark@dsl10040.japo.fi] has quit ["sleep"] 21:21 -!- SerWou [~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:21 -!- SerWou [~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 21:22 -!- SerWou [~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has quit [Client Quit] 21:22 -!- SerWou [~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 21:26 < rxr> re 21:26 < rxr> jeru: linux26 built here again 21:27 < jeru> rxr: linux26 isn't the problem it's linux24 21:28 < rxr> oh 21:32 -!- Netsplit saberhagen.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: sparc-kly[u5], valentin, jsaw, SerWou, dualopteron, CIA-6, _Ragnar_, nzg, jeru, mtr_, (+2 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 21:32 -!- Netsplit over, joins: nzg, mnemoc, mtr_, SerWou, jeru, CIA-6, sparc-kly[u5], _Ragnar_, dualopteron, _Lewellyn (+2 more) 21:34 -!- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 21:47 < _Lewellyn> re rxr 21:47 < _Lewellyn> i burnt the live iso to cd, but it wouldn't boot :( 21:48 < _Lewellyn> mjl@tuffet$ sudo mount /mnt/cdrom 21:48 < _Lewellyn> mount: No medium found 21:48 < _Lewellyn> :( 22:09 < rxr> hm 22:09 < rxr> s.th. wrong with your writer / cd-r{,w} = 22:09 < rxr> ? even 22:10 < _Lewellyn> it's a tsst cd-rw. 22:10 < _Lewellyn> never been used before 22:10 < _Lewellyn> this machine is brand-new still 22:10 < _Lewellyn> and i'm now out of cd-rs though :( 22:14 < jeru> _Lewellyn: I had problems with RW's too ... 22:15 < jeru> _Lewellyn: try to use crecord dev=/your/dev blank=minimal 22:15 < _Lewellyn> jeru: it's a winbox right now 22:15 < jeru> and try to burn it again after that 22:15 < jeru> oh! 22:16 < mnemoc> rxr: why cron tasks don't have PATH? 22:16 < jeru> try it with you windoze burning application though 22:16 < mnemoc> o_O 22:16 < _Lewellyn> jeru: well, if i had more blanks, i'd try again. 22:17 < _Lewellyn> also, should i finalize the disc? is that likely the issue? 22:17 < jeru> _Lewellyn: I thought you have one RW 22:17 < _Lewellyn> no, the drive is a cd-rw 22:17 < _Lewellyn> but i burnt a cd-r 22:17 < jeru> ah 22:17 < jeru> yes try to finalize it 22:18 < jeru> you can't loose anything I guess ;) 22:18 < _Lewellyn> i did. i was wondering if that may be what broke it 22:18 < jeru> so try again to boot ;) 22:20 < rxr> jeru: do you have remote access to your regression tester ? 22:21 < CIA-6> rene * r9122 /trunk/package/network/at76c503a/no-module-mv.patch: 22:21 < CIA-6> * extended at76c503a/no-module-mv.patch to also consider the 2.4 22:21 < CIA-6> code path 22:21 < jeru> rxr: no ... because of our data protection rules I can't ... I know it stopped because I forgot to Download the stuff I updated today :/ 22:21 < rxr> r9122 should fix your problem you reported varbally ... 22:22 < jeru> ah .. ok ... thanks for the good interpretation ;) 22:22 < jeru> arrrgh ... I'm tired 22:23 < jeru> I'll sync the ref build tomorrow ... anyway :) 22:23 < rxr> ok - /me soon sleeping and awake early ... 22:24 < _Lewellyn> jeru: i can't mount it on any machine 22:24 < jeru> rxr: I guess ...same applies for me too ... 22:24 < _Lewellyn> and i want to know what i may have broke before i go downstairs to be raped on blank media 22:25 < jeru> _Lewellyn: I don't know what could be the problem with you ISO ... did you checked the checksum ? 22:26 < jeru> _Lewellyn: what ISO do you want to burn ? 22:27 < jeru> _Lewellyn: and better you buy at least one RW too ;) 22:27 < _Lewellyn> i used rsync to update the livecd iso from rene 22:28 < _Lewellyn> which i then copied via smb to the windows machine and burnt 22:28 < jeru> rxr: can you paste the last checksum of your xurrent iso _Lewellyn synced before going to sleep ? 22:29 < rxr> huh 22:29 < _Lewellyn> i'm starting an md5sum now 22:29 < _Lewellyn> (slow machine) 22:29 < rxr> erhm - md5sum sym-link returns some md5sum of the symlink target or so ? 22:29 < rxr> # md5sum /home/public/t2-live.png 22:29 < rxr> 2e14839e7ad15fd555aabcf133e8041a /home/public/t2-live.png 22:29 < rxr> # md5sum /mnt/space/live/t2.iso 22:29 < rxr> a8bb04749715b0a78b7baf48a689a5d8 /mnt/space/live/t2.iso 22:30 < rxr> the first is a symlink ... and md5sum finished in 0.xx seconds on a 370Mhz PPC box ... 22:30 < _Lewellyn> a8bb04749715b0a78b7baf48a689a5d8 22:30 < rxr> real 0m0.021s 22:30 < _Lewellyn> looks like my copy is corret 22:30 < rxr> I did not know that "feature" of md5sum ... 22:30 < rxr> _Lewellyn: yep 22:30 < rxr> ok - /me crawling into bed - cu 22:31 < mnemoc> cu rxr 22:31 < jeru> sleep well rxr 22:31 < _Lewellyn> sleep well and thanks :) 22:32 < jeru> _Lewellyn: can you check your iso on the windoze box too ... ? 22:32 < _Lewellyn> jeru: um. does xp come with an md5sum generator? 22:32 < _Lewellyn> i'm not spending the day installing cygwin to check an md5sum :( 22:33 < jeru> _Lewellyn: oh! I don't know ;) 22:33 < _Lewellyn> windows exists on the machine as a reference platform to test the livecd against. oh, and to burn it, too ;) 22:33 < jeru> _Lewellyn: but I guess there will be some free apps for that purpose ... 22:33 < _Lewellyn> eh. perhaps i'll check in a bit. 23:29 < jeru> have to go sleep now ... cu later 23:29 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFBE55.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] --- Log closed Fri May 27 00:00:53 2005