T2 IRC Log: 2005-06-02

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--- Log opened Thu Jun 02 00:00:56 2005
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02:28 < sparc-kly> my desktop screenshot http://solaris.ath.cx/solaris10.png
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02:58 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
02:58 -!- Topic set by menomc [] [Sat Apr 16 00:33:34 2005]
02:58 [Users #t2]
02:58 [ _Lewellyn] [ dualopteron] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly ]
02:58 [ _Ragnar__] [ jascha ] [ mtr ] [ rxr_ ] [ sparc-kly[u5]]
02:58 [ CIA-9 ] [ jsaw ] [ nzg ] [ SerWou] [ valentin ]
02:58 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 15 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal]
02:58 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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03:38 < keinek> hi
03:39 < sparc-kly> hi keinek
03:39 < keinek> sparc-kly, go to t2-es
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06:08 < _Lewellyn> wow. the channel already has a split? ;)
06:21 < keinek> yes _Lewellyn
06:22 < keinek> we have a spanish channel.
06:22 < keinek> but two people is in there.
06:22 < keinek> Now i was translate the web page of t2.
06:22 < keinek> About, Quick Start...
06:23 < keinek> and will upload to www.t2-project.com.ar
06:23 < keinek> for use the translator in the future in the new web page of t2
06:23 < keinek> :)
06:40 < _Lewellyn> give me an hour and a half.
06:40 < _Lewellyn> i'll translate.
06:40 < _Lewellyn> into drunken english :)
06:41 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.74] has joined #t2
06:41 < _Lewellyn> it's sad that work is stressing me out enough lately that i go drinking every night :(
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07:32 < rxr_> re
07:32 < rxr_> hey - glibc built on sparc64
07:33 < rxr_> so maybe it was the cmd_wrapper, too ,-)!
07:33 -!- You're now known as rxr
07:35 < _Lewellyn> morning rxr
07:36 < keinek> look
07:36 < keinek> is just a test
07:36 < keinek> http://www28.websamba.com/radio24/index.html
07:36 < keinek> about, and the quick start is translate.
07:36 < keinek> i hope that mnemoc like my spanish.
07:36 < keinek> :P
07:36 < keinek> ok, i go to sleep.
07:37 < keinek> i will back in the morning.
07:37 < keinek> bye bye
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07:38 < _Lewellyn> rxr: btw, how far off is a livecd with the boot loader background? :)
07:39 < rxr> isn't it already available ... ?
07:39 < rxr> yes, it should be on my rsync location
07:40 < _Lewellyn> hm. wasn't when i synced the other day :/
07:41 < CIA-9> rene * r9317 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg:
07:41 < CIA-9> * removed debugging code comitted yesterday with the stricter top-level
07:41 < CIA-9> handling
07:41 < _Lewellyn> wonder if my cd burner is really borking this thing
07:41 -!- jascha_ [~jascha@99e692e09bcee03a.session.tor] has joined #t2
07:48 < rxr> hm - you are right
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07:53 < rxr> Longhorn Drops 'My' Prefixes
07:53 < rxr> "Microsoft has decided to drop the "my" prefixes for Longhorn. Instead of "My Computer," it will be just just plain simple "Computer". "
07:54 < _Lewellyn> heh. just got that in another channel on another net :)
07:54 < _Lewellyn> 22:55 .: Lint: so the windows system folder will no longer be called "my steaming feces"
07:55 < rxr> sent 4103928 bytes received 167553 bytes 28381.93 bytes/sec
07:55 < rxr> my recent live cd code drop including the themed grub ,-)
07:55 < _Lewellyn> sweet
07:56 < rxr> oh, now they (Apple) are already at Mac OS X 10.4.2
07:56 < _Lewellyn> ya
07:56 < _Lewellyn> i've made it a point to not buy my 5pack still
07:56 < _Lewellyn> i want to wait till the thing stabilizes to save time with updates when reinstalling
08:08 < _Lewellyn> wrote 167621 bytes read 4103917 bytes 10665.51 bytes/sec
08:11 < rxr> e75a5a5ddb316066ebc72a876c0f3e98 t2.iso
08:12 < CIA-9> rene * r9318 /trunk/package/kde/kxdocker/kxdocker.desc: * updated kxdocker (0.31 -> 0.33)
08:13 < _Lewellyn> it matches, thank you.
08:13 < _Lewellyn> i'll burn it first thing in the morning and see what happens.
08:13 < _Lewellyn> i'll use a different burning program, just in case.
09:42 < rxr> re
09:46 < rxr> == 02:53:42 =[5]=> Building kde/qt [3.3.4 2.2.0-alpha].
09:46 < rxr> == 06/02/05 07:35:26 =[5]=> Finished building package qt.
09:46 < rxr> not exactly light-speed ..?
09:52 < rxr> cool - a real 64bit sparc64 xclock and qt designer come up ,-)
10:22 < CIA-9> rene * r9319 /trunk/package/base/xen-tools/ (. xen-tools.cache xen-tools.conf xen-tools.desc): * added xen-tools (2.0.6)
10:25 < rxr> 1673 packages in tree
10:29 < CIA-9> rene * r9320 /trunk/package/base/xen-tools/no-init.patch: * fixed xen-tools to not install init scripts
11:14 < rxr> cups is damn crap ...
11:14 < rxr> again debugging the ebast ...
11:32 < rxr> beast even
11:44 < rxr> beast even
11:44 < rxr> wonderful - now cups does:
11:44 < rxr> *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (!prev): 0x08066fc0 ***
11:48 < rxr> D [02/Jun/2005:11:47:36 +0200] [Job 11] ESP Ghostscript 7.07.1: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1
11:48 < rxr> how I like all this crap ...
11:50 < rxr> seems to be cause by --enable-debug
11:50 < rxr> seems to be quite useful if debugging output is passed into ghostscript and thus aborted ...
11:50 < rxr> damn
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12:02 < jeru> moin
12:03 < rxr> moin jeru
12:05 < jeru> hi rxr
12:14 < rxr> I soon start my own printing system
12:14 < jeru> oh!
12:14 < rxr> this damn non-working cups crap ..
12:20 < jeru> rxr: some weeks ago we shortly discussed a partition layout for embedded systems booting from i.e. CF. What do you think would be best?
12:20 < rxr> hm - strange - I really have no clue why this cups beasts sometimes hands 100 dpi has hardwrae resolution to the rasterizer for my laser printer - and sometimes 600
12:20 < rxr> of course the printer only wants 600 dpi or more ...
12:20 < rxr> and just repsonses 100 dpi not supported ...
12:20 < rxr> who the h
12:21 < rxr> *ll coded this crap ..
12:21 < rxr> jeru: depends if you want it static - or dynamically updatedable (firmwrae flashing ...)
12:21 < rxr> if static, just throw some squasfs for all onto i
12:21 < rxr> t
12:21 < jeru> rxr: I'd like to have a remotly updatable system
12:21 < rxr> if you need s.th. writable you need to use s.th. else or combine it with other filesystems of overlay moutns
12:22 < rxr> jeru: when do you want to discuss it? now?
12:23 < jeru> if you have time
12:23 < rxr> I'm in getting this cups beast fixed to reliable print to my laser printer ...
12:23 < jeru> ok ...fix you cups
12:23 < rxr> because always I need s.th. to print urgently this damn print system mishandles the data to 100dpi and thus I can not print the damn page ...
12:23 < rxr> jeru: when do you need your embedded target? yesterday?
12:24 < jeru> rxr: yes ... I know printing is very annoying atm
12:24 < rxr> just because cups sucks so majorly. ..
12:24 < rxr> and too bad it is the best we have :-((((((((((((
12:24 < jeru> rxr: yes ... yesterday would be nice
12:25 < jeru> rxr: ack ... atm momen cups is the best, but not as optimal as it could be
12:25 < rxr> SCO: Linux-Lizenzen legen zu
12:25 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/60184
12:25 < rxr> gegen?ber 11.000 Dollar im gleichen Quartal des Vorjahres konnte man 30.000 Dolla
12:25 < rxr> wow - we nearly earn more with T2 than SCO with linux licenses ...
12:26 < jeru> yeah ... :)
12:29 < jeru> it's strange to see how SCO changed it's "face" during the last years ...
12:30 < rxr> well - they want to give up - and the choose the most bizarre way to do so ...
12:33 < jeru> rxr: I guess ... the new "owners" (shareholders) strategy was to bleed out the company because they knew that there will be less oportunities for them in future, because there are more mature OS's for free ...
12:35 < rxr> I see only T2 - are the others?
12:36 < jeru> rxr: good propaganda ;)
12:37 < jeru> rxr: I guess we know why we choosed t2 :)
12:53 < rxr> hm - on another file pstops from cups seems to crash
12:54 < rxr> what the h*ll did those poor people solder together
12:54 < rxr> my o my ...
13:10 < jeru> I'll try to make more packages embedded target / uclibc aware ...
13:13 < rxr> jeru: we could do an embedded BOF some time soon if you want to discuess fslayout, compress binary delta remote update, ...
13:21 < jeru> rxr: BOF ?
13:22 < rxr> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOF
13:22 < rxr> birds of a feather,
13:23 < jeru> rxr: hehe ... wikipedia is your friend ;)
13:26 < rxr> # cupsd
13:26 < rxr> cupsd: Child exited on signal 15!
13:26 < rxr> grummel ...
13:26 < rxr> so much to:
13:26 < rxr> == 13:19:44 =[9]=> Building printing/cups [1.2.x-r4528 2.2.0-alpha].
13:26 < rxr> == 06/02/05 13:22:43 =[9]=> Finished building package cups.
13:32 < rxr> ouhm - how long do I tinker with cups now ?!?
13:33 < rxr> E [02/Jun/2005:13:31:58 +0200] Unknown directive ???c??=??t?? on line 166.
13:33 < rxr> ...
13:33 < rxr> E [02/Jun/2005:13:31:58 +0200] Unknown directive ???c??=??t?? on line 846.
13:33 < rxr> X [02/Jun/2005:13:31:58 +0200] No valid Listen or Port lines were found in the configuration file!
13:33 < rxr> they are kidding - are they?
13:33 < rxr> wriring config file parser for noobs page 1 or what ?!?!?
13:38 < jeru> no default values ?
13:39 < rxr> I think trivial point arithmetic bugs or so
13:39 < rxr> it corrupts it's memory buffer with the content read from the config file I think
13:50 < rxr> try to print s.th. in the morning and your day is ruined ...
13:54 < jeru> rxr: I know what you're talking about :/
13:58 < jeru> Creating file list and doing final adaptions ...
13:58 < jeru> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: doc
13:58 < jeru> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: doc/uclibc
13:58 < jeru> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: doc/uclibc/COPYING.LIB
13:58 < jeru> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: doc/uclibc/DEDICATION.mjn3
13:58 < jeru> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: doc/uclibc/INSTALL
13:58 < jeru> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: doc/uclibc/README
13:58 < jeru> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: doc/uclibc/TODO
13:58 < jeru> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: doc/uclibc/.config
13:58 < jeru> --- BUILD ERROR ---
13:59 < jeru> hmmm ... this is from 0-uclibc
13:59 < rxr> this is why I added the check
13:59 < jeru> from embedded derived target
14:00 < rxr> I have not yet rebuild all with the stricted checking
14:00 < rxr> this check is new since last night ...
14:01 < jeru> any hints ... what I can check ?
14:01 < rxr> it really is in the top level dir of the build?
14:01 < rxr> if so fix uclibc to not copy it there ...
14:07 < jeru> TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/usr/doc/uclibc/ <- it shouldn't be there right ?
14:08 < rxr> usr doc is ok
14:08 < rxr> $root/doc is not
14:09 < jeru> but there is no $root/doc
14:09 < jeru> so why it complains about it ?
14:10 < rxr> hm - maybe just ignore it for now - touch build/.../var/adm/0-uclibc.log and continue
14:10 < rxr> I review later
14:10 < jeru> ok ... thanks :)
14:14 < jeru> rxr: btw, can we load an entire LiveCD image into RAM during boot ?
14:15 < rxr> oehm? you mean when you have 1GB of RAM ?
14:16 < jeru> I mean ... If I have a small livecd (not the full blown)
14:16 < jeru> sth. < 100MB
14:17 < rxr> well - why would you want that?
14:17 < rxr> remove the CD again?
14:18 < rxr> aside the CD removal it just wasts a lot of RAM ...
14:18 < jeru> hmmm ... jascha asked for that
14:18 < rxr> if RAM is available linux will allready use all free to cache the CD ...
14:21 < jeru> rxr: it seems that the stricter checking have produced a lot of site effects so far
14:22 < jeru> smae problems with binutils
14:27 < rxr> okok I start the embedded build now
14:30 < jeru> rxr: my intention wasn't to disturb you while you're working ... it was just a note ;)
14:30 < rxr> another note: CUPS is the ugliest piece of crap
14:38 < jeru> afaics ... the problems are with doc, man, info, crosscc, i386-t2-linux-uclibc, libexec dirs
14:42 < CIA-9> chris * r9321 /trunk/package/textproc/libxml/libxml.desc: * changed build priority (128.800 -> 120.800) because shared-mime-info package depends on it
14:47 < jeru> rxr: the strict checking issue seems just to apply for stage 0
14:57 < jeru> rxr: should I add embedded aware packages just at the bottom of config.in and we'll sort it later ?
14:59 < jeru> rxr: and forget about the stage 0 assuption ... zlib failed in stage 1
15:02 < CIA-9> chris * r9322 /trunk/target/embedded/config.in: * added gmp package, which builds out of the box on the embedded target
15:12 < rxr> re
15:14 < rxr> jeru: buttom for now
15:29 < jeru> ok
15:32 < valentin> solved part of my problems
15:32 < jeru> oh! :) hi valentin
15:33 < valentin> hi jeru
15:33 < valentin> wasted my whole day because i forgot to add a terminating token into some meta-information string
15:33 < valentin> caused dcop to segfault
15:34 < valentin> s/dcop/kuniqueapplication
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16:14 < jeru> have to move ... cu
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16:44 < keinek> hi
16:47 < rxr> hi
17:00 < CIA-9> rene * r9323 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg:
17:00 < CIA-9> * only run the top-level directory check in stage 1 and up - too much
17:00 < CIA-9> violatoins in stage 0 due to and symlink construct
17:00 < CIA-9> * allow root for the top-level dir, since some toolkits write profile
17:00 < CIA-9> data into it while starting intermediate helpers ...
17:20 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFD9D3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
17:21 < jeru> re hi
17:23 < rxr> hi jeru
17:23 < jeru> rxr: did I missed sth. important during the last hour ?
17:24 < rxr> I fixed your issue ...
17:25 < jeru> rxr: oh! many thanks, you're the best :)
17:25 < jeru> rxr: what was the problem
17:26 < rxr> the usr -> . symlink in the tools dir
17:28 < rxr> I disabled the check for stage 0 ...
17:29 < rxr> and added /root to the not complaint list - since qt wxwidgets and whatever add .whatever files there ...
17:29 < jeru> ok ... but I retracted my assumption that it just occurs during stage 0
17:30 < rxr> yep - because of the usr -> . symlink in tools.cross/ ...
17:33 < jeru> just a note, if somebody has problems on 64bit targets with a package that depends on gnutls, version 1.2.4 of gnutls (like in t2-trunk) will probably fix it
17:58 < mnemoc_> hi
17:58 < jeru> hi mnemoc :)
17:59 < mnemoc_> what do you think merge-marathon before or after tagging rc1?
17:59 < mnemoc_> merge-marathon will postpone the tag, of course
17:59 < jeru> mnemoc_: hmmm ... it depends on the unsolved issues from the ref build
18:00 < jeru> mnemoc_: I think solving the open issues is important before tagging rc1, or isn't it ?
18:01 < jeru> mnemoc_: but perhaps we can solve some gnome issues with merging !?!
18:01 < mnemoc_> jeru: sure but we don't have an active issue tracker yet
18:02 * mnemoc_ is open to merge requests
18:02 < mnemoc_> i'll do massive [M] replacements for now
18:03 < jeru> mnemoc_: ok ... I stop playing with embbeded target, and continuing issue tracker work now
18:19 < mnemoc_> thanks
18:20 < mnemoc_> rxr: did you discovered why debug.sh is not mounting loop and friends?
18:23 < rxr> oh - I can review this later on
18:23 < rxr> when I fixed this broken shit called cups ...
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18:24 < mnemoc_> rxr: why broken?
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18:28 < rxr> because people are unable to write sane code ...
18:28 < rxr> no idea yet why - the synthom is that it rasters some prints for my laser printer and other not ..
18:29 < mnemoc_> isn't that .ppd fault?
18:31 < rxr> huh? .ppd is just a printer descriptoin not executed code ..
18:31 < rxr> no - it is cups fault
18:31 < rxr> sometimes it decides to raster at 100 dpi - though my printer does only do 600 dpi and up ...
18:31 < rxr> thus the printer rasterizer does say "100 dpi not supported"
18:32 < rxr> the .ppd clearly lists only 600 and 1200 dpi ...
18:32 < rxr> and the cups code is brain dead anyway - it always starts at 100dpi and then tries some back and forth tweaking until the parameters match
18:32 < rxr> tough sometimes it fails to go to 600dpi or more ...
18:33 < rxr> no idea why they do not just use the user set parameters and min/max on the printer supported ones instead of this ping pong death ...
18:37 < mnemoc_> ic
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18:42 < jeru> mnemoc_: can you merge clearsilver package please ?
18:47 < mnemoc_> jeru: which revs?
18:48 < jeru> oh ??? moment pls.
18:48 < mnemoc_> :)
18:49 < jeru> r9105
18:50 < rxr> 14:51.96 cc1plus
18:50 < rxr> ^- compiling and swapping on a 360Mhz Ultra SPARC ...
18:50 < rxr> building kdelibs ...
18:53 < rxr> oh - I forgot to addd - the above is one file only ...
18:53 < rxr> pasted from top
18:54 < mnemoc_> can i standarize valentin [M]s to 'Valentin Ziegler ' ?
18:55 < rxr> think so
18:55 < rxr> please do all mods on 2.1 and trunk
18:56 < mnemoc_> on trunk first :)
18:56 < rxr> good
18:56 < CIA-9> amery * r9324 /trunk/misc/archive/fixmaintainer.sh: * added fixmaintainer.sh, an small helper to change and list [M]s
18:57 < rxr> mnemoc_: I have some strange contact from someone in the US that wants to hype Via based boxes to schools, medical offices and other industry partners
18:57 < rxr> and he choose T2 to base on
18:57 < rxr> it is not yet clear what he expects us to do and how much money we could generate with this - but I let it going - maybe it yields s.th.
18:58 < mnemoc_> rxr: sure :)
19:00 < mnemoc_> rxr: i'll send a mail with the [M]s audit
19:01 < rxr> oki
19:01 < mnemoc_> rxr: so we can decide who support T2 and who doesn't
19:01 < mnemoc_> rxr: and why jeru has 6 different kind of [M]s
19:01 < jeru> oh!
19:02 < jeru> thought I changed it ...
19:02 < mnemoc_> i'll do it massively
19:05 < rxr> http://ou800doc.caldera.com/
19:05 < rxr> http://www.caldera.com/
19:05 < rxr> ^- they still do s.th. with that name ...
19:07 < CIA-9> rene * r9325 /trunk/package/printing/cups/ (cups.conf cups.desc setprinter.patch):
19:07 < CIA-9> * fixed cups to not patch, but use the install wrapper to transform
19:07 < CIA-9> names (it is too time wasting to adapt the patch for any version)
19:07 < CIA-9> * use a less touchy ftp server as original file source ...
19:09 < rxr> hm - ok the 2nd point was not too important - damn - well, anyway ...
19:13 < CIA-9> amery * r9326 /trunk/package/ (8 files in 8 dirs): * changed valentin's packages to use 'Valentin Ziegler ' as [M]
19:23 < CIA-9> amery * r9327 /trunk/misc/archive/fixmaintainer.sh: * changed fixmaintainer.sh to 'just list' on -list, and 'list and count' on -count
19:24 < mnemoc_> rxr: Rene Rebe or René Rebe?
19:24 < mnemoc_> rxr: ascii or iso8859-1?
19:32 < valentin> mnemoc_: i often [M]'ed ziegler@informatik...
19:32 < valentin> btw, what about @t2-project emails ?
19:32 < mnemoc_> valentin: ok, what's your full official mail address
19:33 < valentin> take the exactcode one
19:33 < mnemoc_> i would like to have @t2-project.org forwards for core team :)
19:33 < valentin> me too
19:34 < valentin> should easy to do
19:34 < mnemoc_> rene told me he is currently unable to handle virtual domains
19:34 < mnemoc_> everyone @exactcode.de would be @t2-project.org and on the other way
19:35 < mnemoc_> what is wrong
19:36 < mnemoc_> valentin: i can provide MX virtualization for @t2-project.org but chile is distant for most people :)
19:37 < CIA-9> amery * r9328 /trunk/package/ (7 files in 7 dirs): * changed rene's packages to use 'Rene Rebe ' as [M]
19:38 < mnemoc_> jeru: 'Christian Wiese ' or 'Christian Wiese ' ?
19:38 < valentin> mnemoc_: email is asynchronous - who cares about milliseconds ?
19:39 < mnemoc_> valentin: ok :)
19:39 < valentin> as long as your service is relieable
19:40 < mnemoc_> i'll be down on july first (ISP change)
19:43 < mnemoc_> uhm i have 9,11 on red on my irssi bar
19:44 < CIA-9> amery * r9329 /trunk/package/ (contrib/gnapster/gnapster.desc graphic/cowsay/cowsay.desc):
19:44 < CIA-9> * changed 'Miguel A. Bolanos ' to 'Miguel Bolanos ' on [M]s
19:44 < CIA-9> * changed 'Miguel Bolanos ' to 'Miguel Bolanos ' on [M]s
19:49 < CIA-9> amery * r9330 /trunk/package/develop/ (4 files in 4 dirs):
19:49 < CIA-9> * changed 'Minto van der Sluis ' to 'Minto van der Sluis '
19:49 < CIA-9> * changed 'Minto van der Sluist ' to 'Minto van der Sluis '
19:52 < jeru> mnemoc_: choose the first one atm
19:53 < mnemoc_> jeru: ok
19:59 < CIA-9> amery * r9331 /trunk/package/ (23 files in 23 dirs):
19:59 < CIA-9> * changed 'Christian Wiese ' to 'Christian Wiese '
19:59 < CIA-9> * changed 'Christian Wiese ' to 'Christian Wiese '
19:59 < CIA-9> * changed 'Christian Wiese ' to 'Christian Wiese '
19:59 < CIA-9> * changed 'Christian Wiese ' to 'Christian Wiese '
19:59 < CIA-9> * changed 'Christian Wiese ' to 'Christian Wiese '
20:00 < jeru> mnemoc_: thx :)
20:00 < mnemoc_> valentin: Valentin Ziegler ?
20:00 < mnemoc_> jeru: np :)
20:01 < valentin> mnemoc_: what for
20:01 < mnemoc_> valentin: [M]s
20:02 < mnemoc_> valentin: do you want MX t2-project.org at chile? ok, i'll start setting my smtp for that
20:03 < mnemoc_> valentin: point it to mail.geeks.cl
20:03 < mnemoc_> valentin: the name, not the IP
20:04 < valentin> mnemoc_: you can forward the mails to the ziegler@ ... adress
20:04 < mnemoc_> valentin: yes
20:05 < mnemoc_> valentin: should i stop [M] changes until we get MX pointing to my server?
20:06 < valentin> think so, for i would use the t2-project stuff for [M] then
20:06 < mnemoc_> valentin: can you reply the audit mail with the request please?
20:09 < rxr> what MX are you talking about
20:09 < rxr> of course our server can handle @t2-project.org addresses - what is the problem ?
20:12 < mnemoc_> rxr: told me
20:12 < mnemoc_> rxr: exactcode.de <-> t2-project.org
20:13 < mnemoc_> rxr: if you can set them and handle them separated, you keep it :)
20:13 < mnemoc_> rxr: i was just offering a quick solution
20:13 < rxr> sure - I only said I would need to reconfigure exim - but that is not an task as difficult as debugging thru this cups junk ...
20:14 < mnemoc_> rxr: :)
20:14 < mnemoc_> rxr: can you?
20:14 < rxr> well - do two more days without @t2-project.org matter that much
20:14 < rxr> mnemoc_: I try - mostly the whole day to get this strange bug untwisted
20:15 < mnemoc_> rxr: i'm worried about [M]s thing... not really about @t2-project.org
20:15 < rxr> tqcupsdqwqipp
20:15 < rxr> x tqpstops
20:15 < rxr> x tqpstorasterqqqgs
20:15 < rxr> x mqrastertokm2430d
20:16 < rxr> and you all want @t2-project.org for the migration ?
20:17 < mnemoc_> .oO
20:17 < rxr> .oO(what?
20:17 < mnemoc_> :)
20:18 < mnemoc_> valentin does, and i think he is right
20:18 < rxr> well - even if we would have (soon have) @t2-project.org - I would use exactcode.de for most mails anyway ...
20:18 < rxr> why not ?
20:19 < mnemoc_> i'm ok with svn.ec.de
20:19 < mnemoc_> and the the ML
20:19 < mnemoc_> to PR our 'sponsor'
20:19 < mnemoc_> but for package maintaining and for t2 direct PR @t2-project.org
20:19 < rxr> ok ok - people ...
20:20 < rxr> if you want them now - I could just add the aliases
20:20 < rxr> it would take a free time slot one of the next days to really sepearte them
20:20 < mnemoc_> and virtualize later? ok
20:20 < rxr> for now you would be reachable via alejandro@exactcode.de of falk-heubner.de as well ...
20:20 < rxr> ,-)
20:20 < mnemoc_> please, not alejandro
20:21 < rxr> what is so bad about your name ?
20:21 < rxr> what else then ?
20:21 < mnemoc_> amery
20:21 < rxr> or a.mery ,-) ?
20:21 < mnemoc_> amery
20:21 < rxr> okok
20:21 < mnemoc_> :)
20:21 < mnemoc_> or mnemoc ;)
20:22 < mnemoc_> but alejandro is exclusive for family :)
20:22 < rxr> .oO(we are not a familly ,-)
20:22 * rxr snifs
20:22 < mnemoc_> nobody else calls me that way
20:22 < mnemoc_> sure, you can call me alejandro
20:22 < mnemoc_> but T2 users don't
20:23 < rxr> so I should stop using Alejandro when I mean you in mails on the t2 list ?
20:23 < mnemoc_> _you_ can
20:23 < mnemoc_> but i wont feel conformatable is people i don't know call me that way
20:24 < rxr> okok - so I write A.Mery the next time ,-)
20:24 < mnemoc_> nah
20:24 < mnemoc_> Alejandro is ok
20:24 < mnemoc_> but alejandro@...
20:24 < mnemoc_> amery :)
20:25 < mnemoc_> i have been 'Mery' since 20 years ago
20:25 < mnemoc_> and 'amery' at university since 9 years ago
20:26 < mnemoc_> i'm used to it, an 'Alejandro' is to personal for a mail _address_
20:26 < mnemoc_> most people don't even know how i'm named :p
20:29 < rxr> ok
20:29 < rxr> so you want the addresses now, so you can continue sed runs ?
20:30 < mnemoc_> amery@falk-heubner.de is fun :)
20:30 < mnemoc_> rxr: :)
20:30 < rxr> .oO?
20:30 < mnemoc_> the 'accident' due to non-virtualization links me to unthought places :)
20:31 < rxr> amery@rocklinux-consulting.de
20:31 < mnemoc_> :)
20:31 < mnemoc_> exactcode.de is more prestigious
20:34 < mnemoc_> rxr: 'The T2 Project ' or "T2's Community " or something like that?
20:34 < rxr> The T2 Project
20:34 < mnemoc_> :( ok
20:37 < valentin> btw: falk@t2-project.org will work too, i guess :)
20:37 < mnemoc_> :D
20:38 < rxr> falk does not have addresses - he wanted to keep his bass gmx address ..
20:38 < rxr> but valentin and rene @ work ,-)
20:38 < rxr> this is also the reason why I still have not bothered to setup virtual domains in exim ...
20:38 < mnemoc_> :)
20:38 < rxr> what so far was important is rene and valentin and the lists ...
20:39 < CIA-9> amery * r9332 /trunk/package/x11/ (6 files in 6 dirs):
20:39 < CIA-9> * changed 'Aitor P?\195?\169rez Iturri ' to 'The T2 Project '
20:39 < CIA-9> * changed 'Aitor P?\195?\169rez Iturri ' to 'The T2 Project '
20:39 < mnemoc_> rxr: t2@t2-project.org then?
20:39 < rxr> yep
20:39 < mnemoc_> or sponsored?
20:39 < rxr> no need ,-)
20:40 < mnemoc_> :)
20:40 < rxr> we are not easy software products that enforce branding everywhere ,-)
20:41 < mnemoc_> hehe
20:42 < mnemoc_> i liked [M] T2 Developer Team
20:42 < rxr> the use that one ...
20:42 < mnemoc_> 5930 mtr [M] T2 Developer Team
20:42 < mnemoc_> .oO( squad? )o
20:43 < mnemoc_> :p
20:43 < mnemoc_> i'll use the official for now
20:48 < CIA-9> amery * r9333 /trunk/package/ (67 files in 67 dirs):
20:48 < CIA-9> * changed 'The T2 Project ' to 'The T2 Project '
20:48 < CIA-9> * changed 'The T2 Project ' to 'The T2 Project '
20:48 < CIA-9> * changed 'T2 Developer Team ' to 'The T2 Project '
20:50 < CIA-9> amery * r9334 /trunk/misc/archive/ (fmnewpackage.sh newpackage.sh): * changed newpackage.sh and fmnewpackage.sh to use t2@t2-project.org as default [M]
20:58 < CIA-9> amery * r9335 /trunk/package/security/libgpg-error/libgpg-error.desc: * changed 'Aitor P?\195?\169rez Iturri ' to 'The T2 Project '
20:59 < rxr> mnemoc_: how was your exam ?
21:00 < mnemoc_> bad :\
21:00 < valentin> .oO
21:00 < rxr> oh - damn - how bad ?
21:00 < valentin> what was the exam about ?
21:01 < mnemoc_> julio cesar and roman imperialism :)
21:01 < rxr> ouhm ?
21:01 < rxr> what do you study - computer science ?
21:01 < mnemoc_> yep
21:01 < rxr> what was the exam about ?
21:01 < mnemoc_> julio cesar and roman imperialism :)
21:01 < rxr> ouhm
21:01 < rxr> aha
21:02 < rxr> but it is not some main part of the study ?
21:03 < mnemoc_> i have to take two core curses of non-related carriers, 6 of religious formation and 6 of miscelaneous curses
21:03 < mnemoc_> miscelaneous includes music, sports, arts, etc...
21:04 < mnemoc_> humans rights, medical ethics, or dante aligheri :)
21:05 < mnemoc_> those are '5 credits' curses
21:05 < mnemoc_> core curses are '10 credits' curses
21:06 < mnemoc_> i need 20 of 'amplitude', 30 of 'theology, philosophy and related' and 30 of 'misc'
21:06 < mnemoc_> this one is amplitude
21:08 < mnemoc_> and 500 of maths, physics, chemistry, engineering (including mechanics, transports, industrial, econocmics,...), and computer science :)
21:09 < mnemoc_> two practices (non-skilled and technical), two big exams (licenciature (4 years) and degree (7 years)) and a thesis
21:10 < mnemoc_> sucks
21:16 < rxr> I read sucks? must be cups
21:16 < mnemoc_> nah
21:17 < mnemoc_> i like the curse, but i was to tired to 'cite' stuff on that exam
21:18 < mnemoc_> rxr: aren't you forced to take 'unrelated' curses?
21:18 < rxr> yes - but I would not think about it if one did not go too well
21:18 < mnemoc_> courses*
21:18 < rxr> and the unrelated courses are not too complex or so anyway
21:19 < mnemoc_> mine are 'core courses' of another carrier :\
21:19 < mnemoc_> so they have the complexity of that carrier
21:19 < mnemoc_> 5 credits courses tend to be less complex
21:20 < jeru> our unrelated courses are mostly SAP propaganda ;)
21:20 < mnemoc_> 1 credit per 90 minutes you need to give the course per week
21:20 < mnemoc_> SAP?
21:22 < jeru> mnemoc_: the institute is founded and financed by Hasso Plattner (one of the SAP founders)
21:22 < mnemoc_> :p
21:22 < jeru> and that's why it's called "Hasso Plattner Institut" but it's "part" of the University Potsdam
21:23 < mnemoc_> i guess no institut here is called with the name of a living person
21:24 < jeru> mnemoc_: btw, I give a sh*t on SAP :P
21:24 < CIA-9> amery * r9336 /trunk/package/ (103 files in 103 dirs): * changed george packages to 'Juergen "George" Sawinski '
21:24 < mnemoc_> jeru: GNUe :D
21:24 < jeru> what URL do we wanna have for trac ? trac.t2-project.org or t2-project/trac ?
21:26 < mnemoc_> devel.t2-project.org ?
21:26 < rxr> with what kind of content ?
21:26 < jeru> issue tracker
21:26 < mnemoc_> trac is a issue tracker+wiki linked to an svn repo
21:26 < rxr> not the usual bugs. or issues. ?
21:26 < mnemoc_> bugs are issues
21:26 < mnemoc_> merge requests are issues :)
21:27 < jeru> mnemoc_: you're an issue ;)
21:27 < mnemoc_> :(
21:27 < mnemoc_> your rat is also an issue
21:28 < jeru> don't cry mnemoc_ it wasn't intended as negative description
21:28 < mnemoc_> :)
21:28 < jeru> and youÄre right ... the rat is an issue too ;)
21:29 < jeru> mnemoc_: I like devel.t2-project.org too
21:30 < rxr> http://developer.kde.org
21:30 < rxr> http://developer.apple.com
21:30 < rxr> what about this long form ?
21:31 < mnemoc_> long :)
21:31 < mnemoc_> http://developer.t2-project.org/ overflow
21:31 < rxr> we like long forms,- )
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21:31 < mnemoc_> :p
21:31 < sepp> hi
21:31 < mnemoc_> hi sepp
21:31 < rxr> hi sepp
21:31 < jeru> rxr: no problem with that ... we could even set an alias ;)
21:31 < sepp> hi mnemoc, rxr
21:31 < jeru> hi sepp
21:32 < sepp> hi jeru
21:32 < sepp> is it intended that mysql libs are in /opt/mysql/lib/mysql/ ?
21:32 < mnemoc_> sepp: yes
21:33 < mnemoc_> sepp: mysql does it
21:33 < mnemoc_> sepp: they use $libdir/mysql
21:33 < sepp> ahh then it should be in /etc/ld.so.conf
21:34 < mnemoc_> .oO
21:35 < jeru> I need a replication of the t2 related stuff from svn.exactcode.de
21:36 < jeru> for using it with trac
21:36 < mnemoc_> jeru: i guess trac needs rw
21:36 < jeru> mnemoc_: I guess yes, to be fully functional
21:37 < mnemoc_> rxr: ---^
21:37 < mnemoc_> rxr: trac @ rene's?
21:37 < rxr> hM?
21:38 < mnemoc_> rxr: svn @ jeru's? :)
21:38 < mnemoc_> .oO( rene will kill me today )o
21:38 * jeru phoning atm
21:38 < mnemoc_> phoning rxr? :)
21:39 < rxr> mnemoc_: I can not follow you
21:39 < jeru> mnemoc_: nah :)
21:39 < mnemoc_> trac works linked to project's svn repository
21:39 < sepp> hmm is there a switch to get rid of the annoying cdrecord warnings?
21:40 < mnemoc_> sepp: install solaris :)
21:40 < sepp> hehe
21:44 < CIA-9> amery * r9337 /trunk/package/ (6 files in 6 dirs): * changed 'Tobias Hintze ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
21:55 < CIA-9> amery * r9338 /trunk/package/ (32 files in 32 dirs):
21:55 < CIA-9> * changed 'Stefan Paletta ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
21:55 < CIA-9> * changed 'Stefan Koerner aka Ripclaw ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
21:55 < CIA-9> * changed 'Stefan Fiedler ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:02 < mnemoc_> rxr: is [M] part of checksum?
22:03 < valentin> part of what checksum ?
22:03 < rxr> I do not know off hand - I hope not
22:04 < rxr> -e '/^\[[T,I,U,A,M,L,S,C]\]/d' \
22:04 < mnemoc_> valentin: checksum to schedule rebuilds :)
22:04 < mnemoc_> rxr: good
22:04 < valentin> ah
22:07 < CIA-9> amery * r9339 /trunk/package/ (77 files in 77 dirs):
22:07 < CIA-9> * changed 'Kent Skaar ' to 'The T2 Project '
22:07 < CIA-9> * changed 'skaar@ita.chalmers.se' to 'The T2 Project '
22:07 < CIA-9> * changed 'ripclaw ' to 'The T2 Project '
22:07 < CIA-9> * changed 'Burkhard Linke ' to 'The T2 Project '
22:07 < CIA-9> * changed 'Kai Schwenzfeier ' to 'The T2 Project '
22:14 < CIA-9> amery * r9340 /trunk/package/ (15 files in 15 dirs):
22:14 < CIA-9> * changed 'Dimitar Jekov ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:14 < CIA-9> * changed 'Dimitar Zhekov ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:19 < CIA-9> amery * r9341 /trunk/package/ (16 files in 16 dirs):
22:19 < CIA-9> * changed 'Clifford Wolf' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:19 < CIA-9> * changed 'fake ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:19 < CIA-9> * changed 'fake ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:19 < CIA-9> * changed 'fake ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:22 < CIA-9> amery * r9342 /trunk/package/ (52 files in 52 dirs): * changed 'Chris Efant ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:22 < mnemoc_> rxr: do you know how to pdf2ps on a way it don't convert a 100k pdf into a 2.5M ps, which is converted back into a 2.4M pdf?
22:23 < rxr> :n8 all
22:26 < jeru> night rxr
22:26 < mnemoc_> night rxr
22:26 < CIA-9> chris * r9343 /trunk/package/python/mod_python/mod_python.desc: * updated mod_python (3.1.3 -> 3.1.4)
22:27 < CIA-9> amery * r9344 /trunk/package/ (14 files in 14 dirs):
22:27 < CIA-9> * changed 'Sebastian Jaenicke' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:27 < CIA-9> * changed 'Sebastian Jaenicke ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:27 < CIA-9> * changed 'Sandra Dismar ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:27 < CIA-9> * changed 'Pjotr Prins ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:32 < CIA-9> amery * r9345 /trunk/package/ (44 files in 44 dirs):
22:32 < CIA-9> * changed 'Daniel Jahre ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:32 < CIA-9> * changed 'Daniel Jahre ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:32 < CIA-9> * changed 'Daniel Pischl' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:32 < CIA-9> * changed 'Daniel Pischl ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:32 < CIA-9> * changed 'Mathieu Doidy ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:37 < mnemoc_> jeru: can you set trac without the repository?
22:37 < CIA-9> amery * r9346 /trunk/package/ (46 files in 46 dirs):
22:37 < CIA-9> * changed 'Alessandro Ferrari ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:37 < CIA-9> * changed 'Chris Hamilton ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:37 < CIA-9> * changed 'Chris Hamilton {Ext maintainer}' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:37 < CIA-9> * changed 'Michael Obster ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:37 < CIA-9> * changed 'Nikolaus Filus ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:37 < CIA-9> * changed 'Nikolaus Filus ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:47 < CIA-9> amery * r9347 /trunk/package/ (67 files in 67 dirs):
22:47 < CIA-9> * changed 'Andreas V. 'netrunner' Meier ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:47 < CIA-9> * changed 'Benjamin Schieder ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
22:47 < valentin> gn8 rxr
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22:47 < jeru> mnemoc_: no ... atm I'm testing it on a test repo
22:48 < valentin> mnemoc_: ps is not compressed, so it is much bigger than pdf
22:48 < valentin> if it contains bitmaps
22:49 < valentin> convert to .ps.gz for a similar size
22:49 < valentin> however the question is, why the back converted version is this big
22:49 < mnemoc_> yep
22:50 < mnemoc_> and printing the original pdf takes less than one second processing per page
22:50 < mnemoc_> and the converted back version takes about 2 minutes! per page
22:51 < mnemoc_> it's just a OpenOffice(.doc) -> pdf, pdf2ps, psnup, ps2pdf :(
22:56 < valentin> uh
22:56 < valentin> that is much
23:00 < valentin> why don't you just print the ps ?
23:00 < mnemoc_> let me see what happens...
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23:16 < mnemoc_> valentin: OpenOffice(.doc) -> print to file, 768k, psnup 790k, ps2pdf 266k :)
23:22 < mnemoc_> valentin: pdf2ps 1.4M, ps2pdf 1004K ....
23:28 < valentin> mnemoc_: please iterate it - i want to know if a fixpoint will be reached
23:28 < valentin> i mean - you cannot blow up the same information to an infinity level
23:28 < mnemoc_> ok :)
23:29 < mnemoc_> pdf2ps print-3.pdf print-4.ps; du -sh print-4.ps
23:29 < mnemoc_> 22M print-4.ps
23:30 < mnemoc_> it's exponential :)
23:30 < valentin> what does the content look like ?
23:30 < mnemoc_> $ ps2pdf print-4.ps print-4.pdf; du -sh print-4.pdf
23:30 < mnemoc_> 1005K print-4.pdf
23:30 < mnemoc_> valentin: just text
23:31 < valentin> but does it look different over the mutated generations ?
23:31 < mnemoc_> identical
23:31 < mnemoc_> $ pdf2ps print-4.pdf print-5.ps; du -sh print-5.ps
23:31 < mnemoc_> 22M print-5.ps
23:31 < valentin> maybe if you do it for a while it will evolute into an intelligent lifeform :)
23:31 < mnemoc_> it stabilized
23:31 < mnemoc_> hehe
23:32 < mnemoc_> $ ps2pdf print-5.ps print-5.pdf; du -sh print-5.pdf
23:32 < mnemoc_> 1005K print-5.pdf
23:33 < mnemoc_> uhm... it got raster
23:33 < mnemoc_> pdf2ps rasterized it
23:36 < CIA-9> amery * r9348 /trunk/package/ (17 files in 17 dirs):
23:36 < CIA-9> * changed 'michiel Hobbelman ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
23:36 < CIA-9> * changed 'Michiel Hobbelman ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
23:36 < CIA-9> * changed 'Piotr Esden-Tempski ' packages to 'The T2 Project '
23:40 < mnemoc_> brb
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23:49 < keinek> hi
23:50 < jeru> hi keinek
23:50 < sepp> hi keinek
23:59 < sepp> good night all
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