--- Log opened Fri Jun 03 00:00:56 2005
00:03 < valentin> gn8 sepp
00:03 < valentin> hi keinek 
00:04 < _Lewellyn> night sepp 
00:05 < valentin> hi _Lewellyn 
00:05 < valentin> how are you ?
00:05 < jeru> night sepp
00:06 < _Lewellyn> valentin: ok. going to hunt down a null modem cable and see if any of the boot messages are useful to anyone :)
00:06 < _Lewellyn> otherwise, i'm good.
00:06 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.4] has joined #t2
00:06 < _Lewellyn> just wrapping something up at work. it's been having me stressed for too long
00:06 < _Lewellyn> re mnemoc 
00:06 < mnemoc> hi _Lewellyn 
00:11 < jeru> wb mnemoc 
00:12 < mnemoc> jeru: is that the only missing change to make shared-mime-crap built on the first run'
00:14 < jeru> mnemoc: first it failed ... but after repriorizing libxml I ran .-newdelete and rebuilded bot succesfully
00:14 < mnemoc> i did the same before :)
00:15 < jeru> hmmm ... now i remember ... :)
00:15 < jeru> btw, nvrec is outdated ... I'll update it in trunk
00:17 < mnemoc> i updated it
00:17 < mnemoc> look at my ref
00:17 < mnemoc> but it still fail
00:17 < mnemoc> same error
00:18 < mnemoc> some defines available on divx4linux-20020418 and not on divx4linux-20030428
00:18 < mnemoc> do you want to fix it? :)
00:19 < jeru> yes .... same error .... no I don't want to fix it :)
00:20 < mnemoc> add the issue to the bug tracker
00:20  * mnemoc hides
00:22  * jeru found mnemoc and kicks his a**
00:22 < mnemoc> outch!
00:23 < _Lewellyn> hh/me videotapes it to sell online
00:25  * mnemoc kicks _Lewellyn 
00:25 < jeru> _Lewellyn: cool ... it seems that you had a good lense, to watch mnemoc fly in outer space :)
00:27 < jeru> mnemoc: don't do any nasty ... you know my friend besides me is waiting for you ...
00:28 < jeru> mnemoc: have you added libquicktime to your working copy too ?
00:28  * mnemoc is silent
00:28 < mnemoc> jeru: uhm?
00:28 < jeru> I think nvrec needs it
00:29 < jeru> it's not available as package within t2 yet
00:29 < jeru> I can commit it but prio has to be adjusted
00:29 < mnemoc> ajust it
00:33 < jeru> mnemoc: but so far it doesn't fixed the problem :/
00:34 < mnemoc> i have a copy of divx4linux-20020418 if you want to fix it :)
00:35 < mnemoc> it's just changing it to use the right #define-s
00:35 < CIA-9> chris * r9349 /trunk/package/multimedia/libquicktime/ (. libquicktime.desc): * added libquicktime (0.9.7)
00:36 < jeru> mnemoc: no thanks ... I've to setup an issue tracking ;)
00:37 < mnemoc> :)
01:01 < jeru> will go sleep now ... good night 
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01:28 < CIA-9> amery * r9350 /trunk/package/ (7 files in 7 dirs): 
01:28 < CIA-9> * changed 'Alan J. Wylie <alan.rock@glaramara.freeserve.co.uk>' packages to 'The T2 Project <t2@t2-project.org>'
01:28 < CIA-9> * changed 'Eric Heaton <eric.heaton2@btinternet.com>' packages to 'The T2 Project <t2@t2-project.org>'
01:28 < CIA-9> * changed 'Eric Reinbold <deelsasser@wanadoo.fr>' packages to 'The T2 Project <t2@t2-project.org>'
01:28 < CIA-9> * changed 'Fulvio Ciriaco <ciriaco@chimica.uniba.it>' packages to 'The T2 Project <t2@t2-project.org>'
01:28 < CIA-9> * changed 'G.Bevin <gbevin@theleaf.be>' packages to 'The T2 Project <t2@t2-project.org>'
01:30 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: that looks tedious
01:32 < mnemoc> it is
01:32 < _Lewellyn> :(
01:32  * _Lewellyn dccs mnemoc something to pass the time
01:32 < _Lewellyn> (whatever that may be :)
01:34 < mnemoc> :)
01:36 < valentin> dccs ? wasn't that some kind of haiku ? *g*
01:37 < valentin> iirc it could have been t-shirt artwork, too
01:38 < mnemoc> direct client to client protocol :p
01:39 < mnemoc> i think i'll move nvrec to attic
02:17 < keinek> hey guys
02:17 < keinek> how i can download any file with "Download" script?
02:18 < keinek> I was try to create a new package, and mnemoc said me that Download do the download and checksum at same time.
02:46 < valentin> keinek: you have to write a desc file
02:47 < valentin> for example take a look at package/base/stress/stress.desc
02:47 < valentin> there is the [D] tag which determines what file there is to download
02:47 < valentin> the number at the beginning of that line is the cksum
02:48 < valentin> if you write your own package, just place 0 in there, type ./scripts/Download <your package>
02:48 < valentin> then type ./scripts/Create-CkSumPatch <your package> to get the checksum
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02:58 [Users #t2]
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02:58 < valentin> forgot about that
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02:59 < mnemoc> we have nice helpers :)
02:59 < mnemoc> ooo-m104 has been building for 3 hours with java enabled :)
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03:11 < keinek> thanks
03:23 < valentin> gn8 all
03:24 < mnemoc> n8 valentin 
03:39 < _Lewellyn> sleep well :)
03:39 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: fyi, new nvidia drivers came out jun 1 :)
03:42 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: update locally, test it and send a patch :)
03:43 < _Lewellyn> heh. i still can't get the t2 livecd to boot on that box, so i haven't moved my drives over and installed t2 at all :)
03:44 < mnemoc> why 'so'?
03:44 < mnemoc> you don't need livecd to build T2
03:45 < _Lewellyn> well, my current machine is underpowered even for my day-to-day work.
03:46 < _Lewellyn> and if the livecd boots, then i can be sure that the machine is compatible with t2 in some form :)
03:48 < mnemoc> :)
03:50 < mnemoc> sun-jdk-142's javac gets confused if .jar file has classes compressed as ./foo instead of just foo
03:50 < _Lewellyn> lame lame lame. :(
03:51 < _Lewellyn> you'd think sun would have their act together by now :(
03:52 < mnemoc> i'll try to fix bdb-java to produce sun-friendly .jar files 
04:30 < CIA-9> amery * r9351 /trunk/package/gnome2/sawfish/sawfish.desc: * merged 9179 from 2.1: marked sawfish as NOPARALLEL
04:33 < CIA-9> amery * r9352 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (5 files in 3 dirs): 
04:33 < CIA-9> * merged 9180 from 2.1: updated libbonobomm (1.3.8 -> 2005-05-25)
04:33 < CIA-9> * merged 9180 from 2.1: updated libbonobouimm (1.3.7 -> 2005-05-25)
04:33 < CIA-9> * merged 9181 from 2.1: updated devilspie (0.8 -> 0.10)
04:35 < CIA-9> amery * r9353 /trunk/package/e17/ecore/ecore.desc: * merged 9206 from 2.1: updated ecore (2005-03-29 -> 2005-03-30), just one day to let e-utils build
04:38 < CIA-9> amery * r9354 /trunk/package/database/ (6 files in 3 dirs): 
04:38 < CIA-9> * merged 9284 from 2.1: fixed bdb-java
04:38 < CIA-9> * merged 9285 from 2.1: fixed bdb33-java
04:44 < CIA-9> amery * r9355 /trunk/package/database/bdb-java/sun-friendly-dotjar.patch: * changed bdb-java to produce sun's javac friendly .jar files
05:11 < _Lewellyn> yay to 9355 :)
05:11 < _Lewellyn> it still works with whatever the free javac is right?
05:11 < mnemoc> yes
05:12 < mnemoc> jikes don't care if ./foo or foo
05:14 < _Lewellyn> good good. at least some people know how paths work :)
05:14 < mnemoc> :)
05:15 < mnemoc> ooo-m104 has been building for one hour.... let see if it pass the 3 hours record this time
05:17 < _Lewellyn> 3 hours min? o_O
05:20 < mnemoc> m90 took 8 hours with java and 7:30 without
05:20 < CIA-9> amery * r9356 /trunk/package/scientific/root/ (asimage-reg-clobbered.patch root.desc): * updated root (4.02.00 -> 4.04.02)
05:22 < mnemoc> but that was before the added bdb-java requirment
05:23 < mnemoc> they*
05:24 < _Lewellyn> lame lame lame
05:26 < mnemoc> thanks
05:27 < _Lewellyn> for?
05:28 < mnemoc> for telling me lame^3 :)
05:28 -!- madtux [~mike@65.182.14.29] has joined #t2
05:28 < madtux> hello
05:28 < _Lewellyn> you're not lame. it's ooo.
05:28 < madtux> ping keinek 
05:28 < _Lewellyn> hoi madtux 
05:28 < CIA-9> amery * r9357 /trunk/package/kde/superkaramba/ (python24.patch superkaramba.desc): * updated superkaramba (0.35 -> 0.36)
05:28 < madtux> oi _Lewellyn 
05:29 < mnemoc> wb selinux-maintainer
05:29 < madtux> u can call me miguel .... 
05:29 < madtux> how are u master mnemoc ?
05:29 < keinek> hi madtux
05:30 < keinek> do you remember geekpreview mike?
05:30 < mnemoc> frozen, and you master Buonarroti 
05:30 < madtux> frozen?
05:30 < mnemoc> it's cold here
05:30 < madtux> keinek, yes i definitly do and i am ready to go on with it Leonel
05:30 < madtux> mnemoc, i am great ... REALLY great thanks for asking
05:31 < mnemoc> madtux: oh, grat to ear that
05:31 < madtux> keinek, i am really glad to see ur package submission
05:31 < mnemoc> hear*
05:31 < keinek> ;)
05:31 < mnemoc> madtux: he already have 2 packages
05:32 < madtux> uff
05:32 < madtux> even better...
05:32 < keinek> http://www28.websamba.com/radio24/index.html
05:32 < keinek> look mike
05:32 < madtux> i didn't knew because the guy that is auditing package maintainership to kick me and others out did not list it or at least i didn;t see it
05:33 < madtux> WAH! Excellente Leo!
05:34 < keinek> first page, about and quick start in spanish :)
05:34 < madtux> COOL!
05:34 < madtux> Keep up the good work 
05:34 < madtux> i am proud of yourself
05:34 < keinek> :)
05:34 < mnemoc> madtux: keinek was there on both lists
05:35 < keinek> what both lists?
05:35 < madtux> oh ok.... is just so overwhealmed by the fact that guy was trying to kick me out just one day after i starting comming a few things
05:35 < mnemoc> keinek: if you were subscribed you would know
05:35 < madtux> commiting
05:36 < keinek> http://www.gcubo.org/seminario/informacion
05:36 < keinek> look mike
05:36 < keinek> new videos from spain
05:36 < mnemoc> madtux: i merged your three flavors into codetux
05:37 < madtux> cool keinek 
05:37 < madtux> mnemoc, thx are u going to kick me last remaining flavor?
05:37 < keinek> Richard M. Stallman speak in spanish :P
05:37 < madtux> yes he does.
05:38 < madtux> and he does it better than he sings
05:38 < madtux> or smells
05:38 < madtux> ummh... i better shut
05:38 < mnemoc> madtux: i just kicked inactive _and_ unseen dinosaurs
05:38 < madtux> do i qualify?
05:38 < madtux> :)
05:39 < mnemoc> i see you.... once a month, but i see you :)
05:39 < madtux> well u have seem me 2 times this month
05:40 < madtux> and its only the 2nd of the month
05:40 < mnemoc> :)
05:40 < mnemoc> and you are not inactive
05:41  * madtux listening to Evanescence - Missing
05:41 < madtux> waah i really like this f***ing band
05:41  * mnemoc has never listened it
05:41 < keinek> keinek have the dvd of Evanescence :)
05:42 < madtux> anywhere but home - live in france ?
05:42 < keinek> no.
05:42 < madtux> guess what i am playing :)
05:42 < keinek> only videos and live songs.
05:42 < keinek> and backstage
05:42 < madtux> keinek, thats the "anywhere but home" dvd...
05:42 < keinek> the girls is a bit fat
05:42 < keinek> but pretty.
05:42 < keinek> ahh ok.
05:42 < keinek> i have too many dvd, so i forguet the titles :P
05:42 < madtux> mnemoc, do you have floppies in chile?
05:43 < keinek> no...
05:43 < madtux> keinek, i have many too... but wouldn't forget about my favorite band
05:43 < madtux> :)
05:43 < keinek> mnemoc, have territory argentine in chile
05:43 < keinek> :D
05:43 < mnemoc> uhm?
05:43 < madtux> are you trying to say that chile belongs to argentina?
05:43 < mnemoc> madtux: uhm?
05:43 < keinek> jajaja
05:43 < keinek> (es la primera vez que doy un comentario politico como venganza)
05:44 < mnemoc> keinek: revange from what?
05:44 < madtux> haha
05:44 < madtux> yeah ... from what?
05:44 < madtux> mnemoc, i think keinek is geting tohave a close meeting with jeru's little fellow..
05:44 < keinek> me canse del ingles.
05:44 < keinek> jajaja
05:44 < keinek> siempre
05:44 < keinek> casi como 10 veces contadas.
05:45 < keinek> mnemoc dio una ultima palabra criticando a los argentinos.
05:45 < keinek> es mas...
05:45 < madtux> keinek,
05:45 < madtux> english please
05:45 < keinek> hasta cuando parece estar desconectado aparece para decir algo 
05:45 < keinek> jajaja
05:45 < keinek> Ok.
05:45 < madtux> respect the rest of the people here
05:45 < keinek> i see you in t2-es
05:45 < keinek> or geekpreview
05:45 < madtux> arrgg
05:45 < keinek> do you remember the magic word?
05:45 < mnemoc> respect?
05:45 < keinek> respect?
05:45 < mnemoc> that is the magic word
05:46 < keinek> naaa i mean the magic word to enter geekpreview
05:46 < mnemoc> :)
05:46 < madtux> i never forget things
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06:36 < mnemoc> # unzip -t /opt/java/lib/libdb_java-3.3.jar | grep Db.class
06:37 < mnemoc> testing: com/sleepycat/db/Db.class   OK
06:37 < mnemoc> # unzip -t /opt/java/lib/libdb_java-4.3.jar | grep Db.class
06:37 < mnemoc> testing: com/sleepycat/db/internal/Db.class   OK
06:37 < mnemoc> damn sleepycat! they changed their namespaces
07:08 < mnemoc>  File outFile = new File("e:/helpdata/test1/filelist"); <-- i loooooove openoffice
07:22 < rxr_> re
07:23 < rxr_> e:/ what the ?
07:23 < rxr_> hehehe
07:23 < rxr_> == 13:08:18 =[5]=> Building kde/kdelibs [3.4.1 2.2.0-alpha].
07:23 < rxr_> still building ...
07:24 < rxr_> on the sparc w/ 360Mhz and 128MB RAM ...
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07:35 < rxr> hey
07:40 < jsaw> g'morning
07:40 < rxr> google replied to my mail regarding the summer code thing - see the list
07:40 < rxr> moin jsaw 
07:40 < jsaw> hi rxr 
07:43 < madtux> checking
07:43 < jsaw> rxr: I have a question 'bout elf/static/dynamic: If I create a static binary that uses dlopen for loading a module, do I have to compile the static program with -fPIC?
07:43 < rxr> 4.0% us,  1.7% sy,  0.0% ni,  0.0% id, 93.1% wa,  1.0% hi,  0.3% si
07:43 < rxr> ^- this box needs more RAM ...
07:44 < rxr> jsaw: uh - that are interesting details
07:44 < rxr> I would say only the libraries you dlopen
07:44 < jsaw> rxr: and what's about linking a .a lib into a .so lib? I guess here, the .a lib must be compile with -fPIC...?
07:45 < rxr> yep - all the individial .o files in the .a must be -fPIC
07:54 < _Lewellyn>  Cpu0 : 10.0% us, 54.7% sy, 35.0% ni,  0.3% id,  0.0% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si
07:54 < _Lewellyn>  Cpu1 :  7.1% us, 77.0% sy, 15.2% ni,  0.6% id,  0.0% wa,  0.0% hi,  0.0% si
07:54 < _Lewellyn> i don't know what i need :(
07:55 < jsaw> :p
07:58 < rxr> _Lewellyn: in my stats the cpu is mostly in i/o wait ... not doing much ...
07:59 < rxr> _Lewellyn: why is your system load so high? software raid or so ?
08:04 < _Lewellyn> no. 4 VMs
08:04 < _Lewellyn> this is still the dual 550MHz box :(
08:04 < _Lewellyn>  23:04:51 up 20 days,  4:21, 35 users,  load average: 6.35, 6.86, 5.08
08:06 < _Lewellyn> my memory use is terrible too :)
08:11 < rxr> well -  not that I know the box is more stable then I tought I might add the other two 64MB chunks back ...
08:12 < rxr> they need ECC and REGISTERED older DIMS - that are not too ceap today ...
08:12 < rxr> DIMMs ... even
08:15 < _Ragnar__> rxr: you do embedded stuff?
08:15 < rxr> yep
08:15 < _Ragnar__> on what hardware?
08:16 < CIA-9> rene * r9358 /trunk/package/dictionary/babytrans/ (. babytrans.desc): 
08:16 < CIA-9> Keinek <keinek@red-handed.com.ar>:
08:16 < CIA-9>  * added babytrans (0.9.1)
08:16 < rxr> well - so far mostly PowerPC - including compact PCI planes from Motorola
08:16 < _Ragnar__> ah ok
08:17 < _Ragnar__> ever messed with a soekris?
08:17 < _Lewellyn> i keep meaning to learn ppc assembler
08:17 < _Lewellyn> soekris++
08:17 < rxr> but the hardware does not really matter - due to the recompile knob in T2 ,-)
08:17 < rxr> _Ragnar__: nope - so far only saw then - not used them - but the OpenBSD people seem to support them quite happily
08:17 < rxr> thus the hardware might be reasonable
08:17 < _Ragnar__> :)
08:18 < _Ragnar__> I'm thinking about getting one
08:18 < _Ragnar__> ever heard of a hw with the amd alchemy cpu?
08:18 < _Lewellyn> a lot of freebsd and netbsd folks like the soekris stuff too
08:19 < _Lewellyn> i see them everywhere due to where i live, so i can say first-hand that they're neat
08:19 < _Ragnar__> =)
08:20 < _Ragnar__> ok
08:21 < _Ragnar__> no alchemy tho?
08:21 < rxr> do they run fully with Linux? this custom MIPS core ?
08:21 < _Lewellyn> i know nothing of the alchemy
08:22 < _Lewellyn> what is it?
08:22 < _Lewellyn> mips?
08:22 < _Ragnar__> it's supposed to run with linux, at least due to their website
08:23 < rxr> _Ragnar__: if you order them I would take one, too ,-)
08:24 < rxr> The development board kits are immediately available at $1995 each.
08:24 < rxr> oh - ok - that one not ..
08:24 < _Lewellyn> canadian dollars, i'd hope ;)
08:24 < _Ragnar__> *lol* that's the problem yea
08:25 < _Ragnar__> that's almost a complete pc tho (the devel board)
08:27 < _Lewellyn> does amd still make those cute little 386 systems?
08:27 < _Lewellyn> forget what they called them
08:27 < _Lewellyn> but they were tiny
08:27 < _Lewellyn> about the size of 2 packs of cigs
08:27 < rxr> yep those Geode thing 
08:27 < rxr> they reack a 1Ghz with those these days ..
08:27 < _Lewellyn> 1GHz 386s? wow.
08:27 < rxr> well - they are not exactly 386 anymore
08:28 < _Lewellyn> oh
08:28 < _Lewellyn> it's kind of amusing. i'm finding pc104 interesting again.
08:28 < _Ragnar__> the newer geode are 586
08:28 < _Lewellyn> i shouldn't. i need to save money :)
08:29 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0505/38180.html
08:29 < _Lewellyn> apparenlty .xxx is approved
08:29 < rxr> yeah - and still no .eu functional ...
08:30 < rxr> aside that they want to have XXX money for those domans ... :-(
08:30 < _Lewellyn> .xxx saddens me. it is not in the spirit of TLDs
08:30 < rxr> sex sells ...
08:31 < _Lewellyn> that doesn't make it right. they're commercial. commercial has TWO tlds. why does it need a third?
08:31 < rxr> because sex is such a XXXXX huge ammount of money ...
08:31 < rxr> did I mention money already?
08:31 < _Lewellyn> and that geode looks interesting. too bad i don't know german :)
08:31 < _Lewellyn> how much is a geode dev kit, i wonder...
08:31 < rxr> _Lewellyn: clikc on your konqueror -> translate via babelfish button ,-)
08:32  * _Lewellyn checks his usual sources
08:32 < _Lewellyn> i don't use konqueror.
08:32 < rxr> http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/tr?lp=de_en&url=http%3A//www.golem.de/0505/38180.html
08:32 < _Lewellyn> but thanks for reminding me. i forgot to test what i'm doing in it and i want to deploy in 10 hours.
08:33 < _Lewellyn> HTTP request failed with error Operation timed out with 0 out of -1 bytes received (28) for URL:
08:33 < _Lewellyn> :(
08:33  * _Lewellyn kicks babelfish and tries again
08:34 < _Lewellyn> heh
08:34 < _Lewellyn> AMD presented a new x86er-Prozessor, which needs less than 1 Watt river.
08:34 < _Lewellyn> babelfish amuses me :)
08:34 < rxr> yep
08:34 < rxr>  to be used to be able.
08:35 < _Ragnar__> _Lewellyn: the soekrises use geode processors
08:35 < _Lewellyn> i did not know that
08:35 < rxr> but not yet that new ones
08:35 < _Lewellyn> they're painfully slow to boot
08:35 < _Lewellyn> oh
08:47 < rxr> mnemoc: ROCK got an OOo package ...
08:47 < rxr> http://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/data//2005/06/0221475622413.patch
08:49  * _Lewellyn is always amused to see patches which patch other patches
08:49 < _Ragnar__> :)
08:50 < _Lewellyn> and how does 000 1.1.4 relate to what mnemoc is doing?
08:51 < rxr> 1.1.4 is old - what we have is 2.0-beta
08:51 < _Lewellyn> that's what i thought. too hard to follow the new numbering scheme
09:40 < rxr> valentin: ouhm - niko had brithday yesterday
09:53 < CIA-9> rene * r9359 /trunk/package/printing/foo2zjs/ (. foo2zjs.cache foo2zjs.desc no-lp-user-group.patch): * added foo2zjs (2005-03-19)
10:00 < rxr> http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2005/05/video_morse_cod.html
10:00 < rxr> ^- what a surprise ...
10:19 < CIA-9> rene * r9360 /trunk/package/network/tidy/tidy.desc: * updated tidy (050304 -> 050531)
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10:32 < CIA-9> rene * r9361 /trunk/package/kde/kdevelop/kdevelop.desc: * updated kdevelop (3.2.0 -> 3.2.1)
10:34 < CIA-9> rene * r9362 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (7 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)
10:34 < CIA-9> * updated gnome-speech (0.3.6 -> 0.3.7)
10:34 < CIA-9> * updated libgnomecanvas (2.10.0 -> 2.10.2)
10:34 < CIA-9> * updated gstreamer (0.8.9 -> 0.8.10)
10:34 < CIA-9> * updated at-spi (1.6.3 -> 1.6.4)
10:34 < CIA-9> * updated gst-plugins (0.8.8 -> 0.8.9)
10:34 < CIA-9> * updated libgnomeprintui (2.10.1 -> 2.10.2)
10:35 < CIA-9> rene * r9363 /trunk/package/gnome2/ (file-roller/file-roller.desc gnopernicus/gnopernicus.desc): 
10:35 < CIA-9> * updated file-roller (2.10.1 -> 2.10.3)
10:35 < CIA-9> * updated gnopernicus (0.10.5 -> 0.10.9)
10:35 < CIA-9> rene * r9364 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnumeric/gnumeric.desc: * updated gnumeric (1.5.0 -> 1.5.1)
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10:38 < rxr> hi tilix 
10:43 < CIA-9> mtr * r9365 /trunk/package/archiver/zlib/zlib.conf: * change mandir to a valid top-level dir
10:44 < CIA-9> rene * r9366 /trunk/package/multimedia/zapping/zapping.desc: * updated zapping (0.8 -> 0.9.4)
10:45 < rxr> mtr_: areoudn ?
10:45 < rxr> around even ..
10:45 < tilix> hi rxr
10:46 < mtr_> hi rxr 
10:46 < rxr> what error did you got for zlib before?
10:47 < CIA-9> rene * r9367 /trunk/package/python/wxpython/wxpython.desc: * updated wxpython (2.6.0.0 -> 2.6.0.1)
10:47 < mtr_> zlib.3 manpage was installed into $root/share/man/man3
10:47 < CIA-9> rene * r9368 /trunk/package/network/ (tor/tor.desc wwwoffle/wwwoffle.desc): 
10:47 < CIA-9> * updated tor (0.0.9.8 -> 0.0.9.9)
10:47 < CIA-9> * updated wwwoffle (2.8d -> 2.8e)
10:47 < rxr> in which state ?
10:48 < mtr_> stage 1 and 3 ;)
10:48 < mtr_> both failed with the same error
10:48 < rxr> hm
10:49 < CIA-9> rene * r9369 /trunk/package/printing/ (cups/cups.desc foo2zjs/foo2zjs.desc): 
10:49 < CIA-9> * reverted cups URL change
10:49 < CIA-9> * adapted foo2zjs priority to build after ghostscript
10:50 < mtr_> i checked with a previous build, and found a top-level dir /share with the zlib man pages, too
10:51 < rxr> oh - you are right
10:51 < rxr> alien is there, too
10:51 < rxr> good that we have the stricter checking ,-)
10:51 < mtr_> yeah, there are some more ;)
10:51 < rxr> I'
10:51 < rxr> m also curious to see in my ref build what packge places the a2ps.* files in the top dir
10:52 < rxr> it might not be a2ps IIRC - and this happens since ages ...
10:52 < rxr> IIRC I saw this since dRock times but did not bother to reviwe this until recently ...
10:52 < rxr> -reference/share/alien/patches 
10:53 < rxr> what do those files do there ... :-((( !!!
10:54 < CIA-9> rene * r9371 /trunk/package/x11/xosview/xosview.desc: * updated xosview (1.8.1 -> 1.8.2)
10:55 < CIA-9> rene * r9370 /trunk/package/x11/imlib/imlib.desc: * updated imlib (1.9.14 -> 1.9.15)
10:56 < mtr_> and: /share/pixmaps/gscmxx/ ...
10:56 -!- mtr_ is now known as mtr
10:56 < CIA-9> rene * r9372 /trunk/package/graphic/poppler/poppler.desc: * updated poppler (0.3.0 -> 0.3.2)
11:01 < CIA-9> mtr * r9373 /trunk/package/office/aqhbci/aqhbci.desc: * updated aqhbci (1.0.8 -> 1.0.9beta)
11:07 < rxr> http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4,698,672.WKU.&OS=PN/4,698,672&RS=PN/4,698,672
11:07 < rxr> ^- the jpeg patent
11:07 < rxr> Coding system for reducing redundancy 
11:08 < rxr> ...
11:20 < rxr> tilix: I just update koffice
11:20 < rxr> strangely the big i18n file is missing ...
11:20 < rxr> but what you missed (krita?) is now built by default
11:21 < rxr> checking if krita should be compiled... yes
11:21 < rxr> checking for filters to be compiled... kword kspread kchart karbon kpresenter kformula kugar
11:22 < tilix> thanks
11:25 < CIA-9> rene * r9374 /trunk/package/kde/koffice/koffice.desc: * updated koffice (1.3.91 -> 1.3.98)
11:26 < CIA-9> mtr * r9375 /trunk/package/office/aqmoney2/ (. aqmoney2.desc): * added aqmoney2 (1.9.3)
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11:30 < CIA-9> mtr * r9376 /trunk/package/security/openhbci2/ (. openhbci2.conf openhbci2.desc): * added openhbci2 (1.9.2)
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11:36 < jeru> moin
11:37 < mtr> moin jeru
11:37 < jeru> hi mtr
11:44 < rxr> moin jeru 
11:44 < jeru> hi rxr
11:45 < rxr> oh
11:45 < rxr> Mem:        254576     251832       2744          0        192       6880
11:45 < rxr> Swap:       456608     226944     229664
11:45 < rxr> even with doubled ram the kdelib build pushes the tiny SUN over it's limits ...
11:46 < rxr>  8565 root      18   0  244m 1.9g 1.7g D  2.0 776.1  13:06.74 cc1plus           
11:46 < rxr> how I like compiler crunshing that long on files ...
11:48 < CIA-9> rene * r9377 /trunk/package/x11/freenx/ (. freenx.cache freenx.conf freenx.desc): * added freenx (0.4.0)
11:54 < rxr>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND           
11:54 < rxr>  8565 root      18   0  243m 2.5g 2.4g R 57.2 1047.9  14:49.40 cc1plus 
11:54 < valentin> moin
11:54 < rxr> moin valentin 
11:56 < jeru> hi valentin 
11:57 < valentin> wow, another 100 revisions further
12:00 < rxr>  8565 root      18   0  242m 3.1g 2.9g R 39.7 1262.1  16:15.94 cc1plus          
12:00 < rxr>  8566 root      16   0 45960 256m 245m S  1.7 103.1   0:10.48 as    +
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12:06 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/big.png
12:08 < rxr> and this is also big:
12:08 < rxr>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND           
12:08 < rxr>  8565 root      18   0  238m 3.6g 3.4g R  4.8 1498.5  17:56.58 cc1plus
12:08 < rxr>  8566 root      16   0 50312 316m 306m S  0.0 127.5   0:12.25 as
12:08 < rxr> look at those numbers ...?
12:11 < rxr> libkdeui_la.all_cpp
12:16 < CIA-9> mtr * r9378 /trunk/package/archiver/alien/alien.desc: 
12:16 < CIA-9> * updated alien (8.51 -> 8.52)
12:16 < CIA-9> * set install dir PREFIX to an allowed top-level dir
12:18 < CIA-9> rene * r9379 /trunk/scripts/Build-Target: 
12:18 < CIA-9> * improved binary tarball creation to package var/adm before the rest
12:18 < CIA-9>  (first change towards removing mine, and allowing of packaging into
12:18 < CIA-9>  any container format)
12:22 < rxr> 90% io-wait ...
12:22 < rxr> 1873.1% of the memory used ...
12:22 < rxr>  8565 root      18   0  237m 4.6g 4.4g D  4.9 1879.4  20:33.05 cc1plus          
12:22 < rxr> my oh my ...
12:23 < rxr> I guess I'll disable building in --enable-final mode for KDE on that sparc ...
12:24 < valentin> enable-final ?
12:26 < rxr> yeah some compile all files in one run per firectory ...
12:26 < rxr> dir ....
12:39 < rxr> hey - it finished ,-)!
12:40 < rxr> that one file at least
12:41 < CIA-9> mtr * r9380 /trunk/package/mail/razor/razor.desc: * set install dir PREFIX to an allowed top-level dir
12:50 < rxr> the new kword has all of the bugs fixed that annoyed me ...
12:55 < valentin> nice :)
12:55 < rxr> do you come over today?
12:55 < rxr> .oO(Linux support will make me rich ,-)
12:56 < valentin> rxr: maybe later this afternoon, yes
13:02 < rxr> valentin: if the glibc issue was cmd_wrapper related the U5 360 might be stable now ...
13:02 < rxr> altough I departed the CPU module to take some photos and paste new heat conduction between it and the big heatsink ...
13:02 < rxr> so /me preparing noddels since I'm getting too hungy ...
13:02 < rxr> +r
13:05 < valentin> good appetite rxr
14:27 < CIA-9> rene * r9381 /trunk/package/filesystem/fuse/fuse.desc: * updated fuse (2.2.1 -> 2.3.0)
14:45 < jeru> .oO( finaly IBM has repaired my Thinkpad, and hopefully I'll get it back on monday :)
14:49 < rxr> ,-)
14:50 < rxr> l
14:50 < jeru> :)
14:54 < rxr>     if (l > len)
14:54 < rxr>     {
14:54 < rxr>         fprintf(stderr,"\nsomething's wrong with your C library !!!\n");
14:54 < rxr>         exit(1);
14:54 < rxr>     }
15:03 < valentin> source ?
15:05 < rxr> lzo
15:08 < rxr> Das grosse Buch KNOPPIX, Data Becker Verlag, ISBN 381-5825-199, 313 Seiten inkl. 1 CD-ROM
15:08 < rxr> Linux/KNOPPIX, Franzis' Fachverlag, ISBN 3-7723-6238-9, 240 Seiten inkl. 1 CD-ROM
15:08 < rxr> what the heck ?
15:08 < jeru> hehe :)
15:09 < jeru> rxr: I think you know ... PR is everything ;)
15:10 < jeru> rxr: but, as Public Enemy told us in a song "Don't believe the hype" ;)
15:16 < valentin> me wondering why tf some unchanged piece of code does not compile anymore
15:18 < valentin> ah - was an error indeed - but why did it work before ??
15:23 < valentin> hm, now i get theese errors in every second source file
15:23 < valentin> allways a conversion QString -> std::string
15:24 < valentin> maybe they defined the asignemnt operator somewhere and i am missing that right now due to some restructuring
15:26 < valentin> ah - yesterday i inserted -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST in the Makefile
16:00 < CIA-9> rene * r9382 /trunk/scripts/Build-Target: 
16:00 < CIA-9> * fixed the last Build-Target modification to not use absolute, and
16:00 < CIA-9>  thus in-host-system filenames
16:07 < rxr> ok - someone awake ?
16:07 < jeru> me
16:07 < rxr> what about this choice:
16:07 < rxr> (X) Create tar.bz2 binary packages
16:07 < rxr> ( ) Create tar.gz binary package
16:07 < rxr> ( ) Create gem binary packages
16:07 < rxr> ( ) Create no binary packages
16:08 < rxr> with others to come if people need it
16:08 < jeru> hmm .... sounds good 
16:08 < rxr> replaces the former tarb2 or mine hardcoding
16:08 < tilix> sounds good to me, too
16:08 < rxr> as on the roadmap to not use .gem (at least not as default=
16:08 < rxr> ) even
16:09 < jeru> btw, hi tilix 
16:11 < tilix> hi jeru
16:28 < valentin> hm, google even advertised on our university list for summerofcode 
16:28 < valentin> and on #kdedevel, there are many ppl who said they participate
16:29 < rxr> which does not need to mean they get a contract
16:29 < valentin> i guess there will be thousands of applicants around the world
16:29 < rxr> only the top whatever get one ...
16:29 < valentin> yep
16:29 < rxr> well - our T2 / Hurd port will look uniq I think
16:29 < valentin> i just wanted to check out chances
16:29 < rxr> for our GNU / Hurd adaption or got get another deal ?
16:29 < valentin> no
16:30 < valentin> lunch
16:30 < rxr> ?
16:30 < rxr> guten appetit
16:30 < valentin> thx
16:31 < rxr>  1 files changed, 28 insertions(+), 31 deletions(-)
16:31 < rxr> tought I would delete more :-(
16:52 < rxr> damn - how long does vte need to build ...
16:52 < rxr> in this time I could have done so much ...
16:52 < rxr> grummel ..
16:59 < CIA-9> rene * r9383 /trunk/scripts/ (Build-Target config.hlp config.in): 
16:59 < CIA-9> * more advanced binary package selection The default is .tar.bz2,
16:59 < CIA-9>  but .tar.gz and .gem are also available. The use of .gem is
16:59 < CIA-9>  deprecated and might be removed of a future release.
17:04 < CIA-9> rene * r9384 /trunk/target/ (9 files in 9 dirs): * migrated the target config.in's to the new SDECFG_PKGFILE_TYPE ...
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17:15 < rxr> hi mipe 
17:17 < mipe> hi rxr
17:18 < rxr> ehrm
17:18 < rxr> crazzy ...
17:18 < jeru> hi mipe
17:18 < mipe> hi jeru
17:58 < valentin> rxr: what is crazzy ?
18:23 -!- mtr_ [~Michael@p54AFAFD7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2
18:23 < rxr> this contract stuff
18:28 < mnemoc> hi
18:28 < jeru> ok ... moving home now, have gathered a lot of informations regarding the website ... today
18:28 < jeru> hi mnemoc 
18:28 < mnemoc> hi jeru 
18:28 < jeru> mnemoc: w things are going companero ?
18:28 < jeru> how
18:29 < mnemoc> jeru: everyday worse, and yours?
18:29 < valentin> hi mnemoc 
18:29 < valentin> :(
18:29 < mnemoc> hi valentin 
18:30 < mnemoc> rxr: bdb-java changed it's API from 4.2 to 4.3, so it doesn't work with OOo
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18:33 < rxr> cool - we might have the next custom T2 system todo ...
18:34 < jeru> cu later guys ... moving home now 
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18:34 < rxr> mnemoc: autsch
18:34 < rxr> mnemoc: I started to deprecate mine/gem in trunk/ - I hope this is in your best interest ...?
18:34 < mnemoc> rxr: yes, please
18:35 < mnemoc> rxr: jimmy did a nice mine replacement for tbz2
18:35 < rxr> I mostly tested the gem code-path so far ... but the tar.gz / tar.bz2 would should be trivial
18:43 < mnemoc> package/archiver/bize/
18:43 < rxr> yep - know the package - thogh never started it ,-)
18:44 < mnemoc> neither i :)
18:52 < tilix> bye
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18:53 < mnemoc> rxr: have you looked at debug.sh mounting problem?
18:53 < rxr> oh - no sorry
18:53 < rxr> good that you remind me
18:54 < mnemoc> :)
18:58 < rxr> btw. despite the much updating and changes trunk/ reference looks quite good ,-)
18:58 < rxr> and s.th. is screwed with my nightly cron job for update tracking - for some bizarre reason it is not run ...
18:58 < rxr> need to investigat this ...
19:15 < mipe> hmm i think its time to burn livecd and test it later on
19:15 < mipe> if i like it too much, easy way to dump it to hd?
19:15 < mnemoc> mipe: do you use java?
19:15 < mipe> yep
19:16 < mnemoc> good
19:16 < mnemoc> what can we do with files written by 1.5 on etc/ ?
19:16 < mipe> not running t2 with java right now, what files are there? there shouldnt be any....
19:17 < mnemoc> etc/mailcap: sun-jdk-150 sun-jre-150 <--- this is a share, and ...
19:18 < mnemoc> uhm, just that one on sun-*-150
19:19 < mnemoc> i saw more...
19:19 < mipe> ah yep mailcap has the mimetype
19:19 < mnemoc> blackdown-jdk: etc/.java
19:19 < mnemoc> blackdown-jdk: etc/.java/.systemPrefs
19:19 < mnemoc> blackdown-jdk: etc/.java/.systemPrefs/.system.lock
19:19 < mnemoc> blackdown-jdk: etc/.java/.systemPrefs/.systemRootModFile
19:20 < mipe> .oO
19:20 < mipe> not good
19:20 < mnemoc> can you patch sun-*-150 to not touch etc/mailcap ?
19:21 < mnemoc> and, if it's safe the .java crap out of blackdown? :)
19:21 < mnemoc> please :p
19:21 < mipe> i'll have a look on it tomorrow.
19:22 < mnemoc> ok
19:22 < mnemoc> thanks :)
19:33 < rxr> mipe: please use my home box rsync live cd for testing ,-)
19:33 < rxr> it already has some fixes and such
19:33 < rxr> mipe: currently there is no too easiy hd dump - there will be soon ...
19:33 < mnemoc> hd dump?
19:33 < rxr> live cd ...
19:33 < rxr> name it install if you like
19:34 < mnemoc> isn't desktop designed to be installed and livecd to run live?
19:36 < rxr> well ,-)
19:36 < rxr> they will melt together
19:36 < rxr> in fact I consider dropping desktop altogether
19:37 < rxr> the best (in my eyes - for a state of the ard desktop OS) is to preview as live version - and only optionally install later on, if all the hardware works and the user is totally satisfied
19:37 < rxr> thus live - and thus most probably the drop of desktop if live and the graphical installer are ready ...
19:37 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. we also have the old/historic dRock installer if we need borrow code for a next gen installer
19:38 < rxr> we could cut'n paste the best parts of bize, dRock-1.6 and gas-gui together - for a quick prototype ...
19:38 < mnemoc> restricting power to just one target goes against SDE concept... imo
19:38 < rxr> e.g. gas-gui was also kind of a usability nightmare IMO ...
19:38 < mnemoc> making livecd and desktop share the power let other desktop targets to use it
19:39 < rxr> mnemoc: a good desktop live system does not stand against sharing with multiple others
19:39 < rxr> but a good installer is a prerequesit of a good live cd ...
19:39 < mnemoc> the good installer must be a package
19:40 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFC0B0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
19:40 < jeru> re hi
19:40 < rxr> and that I might get a contract to create a live installable CD for a .ch company that wants to have a linux based scan server solution will contribute to the fact that the live/desktop will be a good base for spin-off targets
19:40 < rxr> mnemoc: sure - I did not say that is must not - I only wrote, that we could consider cut'n pasting the code of the three historic rock and alike installers to prototype our next gen one ...
19:41 < rxr> and of cours - as valentin's netconf GUI it will be a package ,-)
19:41 < rxr> rehi jeru 
19:41 < rxr> so - me is soon off - but online again thereafter when I arrived @ susan ...
19:41 < jeru> oh! hot discussions ?
19:41 < rxr> jeru: nope ,-)
19:42 < rxr> mnemoc: I just started to track the loop mounting issue
19:42 < rxr> I continue when I'm in susan's kitchen ...
19:42 < mnemoc> rxr: thanks :)
19:42 < rxr> you can assume a fix this evening
19:43 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. I noticed there is no lzo comand line tool - I wanted .tar.lzo as package format optoin
19:43 < rxr> option
19:43 < mnemoc> define evening is a delta of hours ;)
19:43 < mnemoc> in*
19:43 < rxr> if you spot a tiny lzo comandline compressor uncompressor, please keep me informed ,-)
19:43 < rxr> mnemoc: next 4 hours
19:43 < mnemoc> rxr: where tar.lzo can be desired?
19:43 < rxr> but first I need to cycle <15min to susan
19:44 < rxr> mnemoc: quick ref builds where I do not want to spend ages for the .bz compression ,-)
19:44 < mnemoc> rxr: i think we should use lzo for var/adm stuff
19:44 < rxr> for any file ?
19:44 < mnemoc> yes
19:44 < jeru> rxr: you know, don't drink and drive! ;)
19:44 < rxr> ouhm
19:45 < rxr> well  without tools ahand .lzo is a bit unhandy (compared to zgrep or so ..)
19:45 < rxr> and many files are already smaller than the FS block size - so you would not gain much ...
19:45 < mnemoc> mine replacemente should do that
19:45 < rxr> aside complexity in the scripts to decompress ...
19:45 < mnemoc> libt2packages.so :p
19:45 < rxr> you mean on your fs in / - or in the binry package ?
19:46 < mnemoc> fs
19:46 < rxr> like /var/adm is lzo compressed and the rest bz2 or so ...
19:46 < rxr> mnemoc: hm
19:46 < rxr> many files are already below the block size threshhold ...
19:46 < mnemoc> tar.lzo can be valid for small but live machines
19:46 < mnemoc> rxr: 386 with minix? ;)
19:47 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
19:47 < mnemoc> i'm thinking even in T2/elks
19:47 < mnemoc> as a living machine, with install, uninstall and updates
19:48 < rxr> 1388 out of 6893 are below the FS block size on my development athlon
19:49 < rxr> above I mean
19:49 < rxr> damn
19:49 < rxr> 1388 out of 6893 are bigger than 4kB ...
19:49 < rxr> mnemoc: do you use elks ?
19:49 < mnemoc> uhm... yes...
19:49 < mnemoc> rxr: i want to
19:50 < mnemoc> rxr: i have many ia16 machines
19:50 < rxr> and you want to roll T2 elks in those companies ... ?
19:50 < mnemoc> :p
19:50 < rxr> in which time frame ?
19:51 < mnemoc> i don't have time frames for projects in this moment
19:51 < mnemoc> just dreaming
19:51 < mnemoc> even as a social project
19:52 < mnemoc> there are many ia16 machines abandoned, and elks fails because it is too much work to maintain a distribution for they
19:53 < mnemoc> T2/elks can easily be sponsored by unesco
19:53 < mnemoc> i think
19:54 < mnemoc> currently i just worry about finishing 2.1.0 to release my mind and about bringing food to home
19:55 < mnemoc> but tar.lzo made me think about that
19:55 < mipe> hmm whats the rsync url for livecd, i already burned the one from http/ftp so i will test that in few secs
19:55 < valentin> mnemoc: you stopped making a living for t2 ? .oO
19:55 < mnemoc> valentin: i stopped making a living
19:56 < mnemoc> valentin: i failed on 3 of my 4 projects related to T2
19:56 < mnemoc> valentin: and i'm about to fail on the forth
19:56 < mnemoc> valentin: today i'll know
19:56 < jeru> mnemoc: oh! what will happen today ?
19:58 < mnemoc> jeru: the machines which join my samba-ldap domain at conosur fail to run the CIFS based app they use from win2003 server
19:58 < mnemoc> jeru: so today that win2003 will join the domain to see if that solves the problem
19:59 < jeru> oh! I guess it's a "special" app wriitten for/from them
19:59 < mnemoc> jeru: samba >3.0.10 is highly broken and unstable
19:59 < jeru> mnemoc: sh*t
19:59 < mipe> OOOOOh nice, t2 live running @ amd64 32bit mode
20:00 < mnemoc> jeru: is an international app written for insurance companies rented in lots of dollars
20:00 < mnemoc> jeru: designed for ooold novell enviroments
20:00 < jeru> mnemoc: oh! I can imagine the pain!
20:01 < jeru> mnemoc: but what's the problem with samba ?
20:01 < mnemoc> jeru: instead of using a DBMS they move .dat files across the lan... sucks
20:02 < mnemoc> jeru: they implemented a new privilegdes schema which is not yet usrmgr.exe friendly and VFS is also buggy
20:02 < jeru> mnemoc: holy sh*t .... I know what you're talking about. we had a similar problem at work
20:02 < mnemoc> jeru: just openning the file searcher window makes explorer.exe crash
20:03 < jeru> mnemoc: hmmmm... that's indeed "unstable"
20:04 < mnemoc> here, at formal work i have a 3.0.10 running fine clipper apps   but when i updated to {11,12,13,14,14a} they crash on exec because samba fail to create it's temporal files
20:05 < mnemoc> i files on their bugzilla six bugs with .pcap included which has been ignored
20:06 < mnemoc> i filed*
20:06 < jeru> mnemoc: :/
20:08 < mipe> so livecd is working on amd 64 +3000 with nvidia gforce 5200 fx, only problem was that i had to manually dhcp my nic card
20:08 < jeru> mnemoc: long time ago, that I installed a samba server ... but this sounds like, that I don't want to touch it again!
20:08 < mipe> and not getting any ip from it... thats strange,i'll try this laptop now
20:08 < mnemoc> jeru: 3.0.10 works fine... but you can only have one administrator... mapped to root posix account
20:09 < jeru> mipe: run lspci and check if the right nic module is loaded
20:10 < jeru> mnemoc: hmmm ... on my long term todo is an OpenAFS test intended for a samba replacement
20:11 < mnemoc> "Well, my idea is remove the divx codec from nvrec package. The idea is
20:11 < mnemoc> use xvid or ffmpeg as mpeg4 codec, but now I'm a bit busy to do so..."
20:11 < jeru> mnemoc: ack
20:13 < mnemoc> if the author said that, i'll disable divx support here and only worry about gcc34 problems
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20:16 < jeru> mnemoc: yep
21:12 < rxr> re
21:19 < mnemoc> can i die if i just eat cocacola?
21:20 < mnemoc> i have a cocacola machine here and a cold/hot water machine... i guess cocacola is more 'nutritive' than mineral water
21:20 < rxr> I doubt it is healty ...
21:20 < mnemoc> i know... but how harmfull can it be?
21:20 < jeru> rxr: ack
21:20 < jeru> mnemoc: you should take water
21:21 < mnemoc> i'll try to get some sugar for it...
21:21 < jeru> mnemoc: too much white suggar isn't good anyway ;)
21:21 < jeru> mnemoc: nooooo! ;)
21:21 < mnemoc> i have to get suggar first :p
21:21 < jeru> no
21:21 < rxr> .oO
21:22 < _Lewellyn> jeru: they make it with white sugar there?
21:22 < rxr> I tought you only want to tkae chocolate ...
21:22 < _Lewellyn> i envy you
21:22 < rxr> if you take a bit it will be fine ...
21:22  * rxr shortly away again
21:22 < _Lewellyn> we have ours with nasty corn syrup.
21:22 < rxr> damn - is that line lagging ...
21:22 < rxr> ouhm
21:22 < rxr> btw. I just upddate mysql
21:23 < mnemoc> rxr: updating mysql always brings regressions
21:24 < jeru> _Lewellyn: I don't drink neither cola ... nor anything else from coke company 
21:26 < jeru> _Lewellyn: who tries to sell water they go from the Thames as minerall water in the UK can't be serios anyway 
21:27 < _Lewellyn> haha. they sell aquafina there, too?
21:28 < _Lewellyn> or is it dasani? one's coke, one's pepsi. i never remember more than "tap water" ;)
21:28 < jeru> _Lewellyn: afaik the had to stop selling that sh*t 
21:28 < jeru> they
21:28 < _Lewellyn> i wish that were the case here. :(
21:30 < jeru> _Lewellyn: who wonders now about the hight concentration of prozac in the Thames too ;)
21:30 < mnemoc> hehe
21:31 < valentin> hi _Lewellyn 
21:32 < valentin> and hi jeru btw :)
21:32 < jeru> mnemoc: the government is feeding it's "working bees" with all what they need McD. + Coke + Prozac = dull
21:32 < jeru> hi valentin 
21:33 < mnemoc> o_O
21:33 < _Lewellyn> hoi valentin 
21:33 < _Lewellyn> jeru: that sounds a lot like here...
21:33 < _Lewellyn> but we have more choices of drugs.
21:34 < jeru> _Lewellyn: where are yor come from ?
21:34 < valentin> jeru: you forgot about the tv
21:35 < jeru> valentin: I just left it for you ;)
21:39 < _Lewellyn> jeru: i'm in the usa
21:41 < jeru> _Lewellyn: hmmmm ... ok, now I know, that you've experience ;)
21:47 < _Lewellyn> my plan is to be out of this country within 5 years. i really hope europe stops trying to emulate us :(
21:47 < _Lewellyn> else, i'll be forced to choose from fewer possibilities
21:48 < mnemoc> china :)
21:48 < jeru> _Lewellyn: ack ...but it's no emulation! it's the same!
21:48 < mnemoc> cloning
21:49 < jeru> mnemoc: you know, I'd prefer other countries ...;)
21:50 < mnemoc> jeru: which?
21:51 < mnemoc> the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence
21:52 < jeru> mnemoc: I've waited for such a saying from you :)
21:52 < mnemoc> why??
21:54 < jeru> mnemoc: because you're a master in that :)
21:54 < jeru> anyway ... you're right ;)
21:55 < rxr> re
21:56 < rxr> hm - on my iBook compiling mysql, the top code run is:
21:56 < mnemoc> jeru: a master saying 'sayings'?
21:56 < rxr>   samples|      %|
21:56 < rxr> ------------------
21:56 < rxr>    705599 37.2020 cc1plus
21:56 < rxr>    479015 25.2556 cc1
21:56 < rxr>    340223 17.9379 vmlinux_2.6.11.7-dist
21:56 < rxr>    161643  8.5225 libc-2.3.4.so
21:56 < rxr>     99698  5.2565 bzip2
21:56 < rxr>     33080  1.7441 bash
21:57 < jeru> mnemoc: I mean, I like places with nice people not the ones where the most are brainwashed and apathetic
21:57 < jeru> mnemoc: yes ... I guess you know a lot of them
21:58 < mnemoc> we all want to find neverland, but i doubt we get there
21:59 < jeru> mnemoc: ack
21:59 < valentin> _Lewellyn: how about canada ?
21:59 < valentin> s/how/what
22:00 < mnemoc> valentin: which side?
22:00 < jeru> valentin: canada depends on the US too much I think
22:00 < valentin> whatever side you like best
22:05 < mnemoc> jeru: sure?
22:05 < jeru> mnemoc: quite sure ...
22:05 < mnemoc> :(
22:06 < valentin> basicaly each economy is emulating us because the multinational cooperations want it so
22:07 < mnemoc> what is so wrong on your constitution proposal?
22:07 < jeru> but it doesn't matter to run away, the face of the self destructive imperialism will follow you 
22:07 < rxr> the EU ?
22:07 < CIA-9> rene * r9385 /trunk/package/database/mysql/mysql.desc: * updated mysql (4.1.10a -> 4.1.12)
22:07 < valentin> it is _no_ constitution
22:07 < rxr> mnemoc: the EU constituion is likely to be dropped (for now)
22:08 < valentin> it is a complicated 600 pages document
22:08 < valentin> a constitution should be something even a child can understand
22:08 < rxr> valentin: btw. t
22:08 < rxr> hat is not quite right
22:08 < valentin> rxr: the page count ?
22:08 < rxr> this tiny map does not only include the constitution - but also interpretatin, protocl and whatever
22:09 < rxr> and it is nto 600p ...
22:09 < rxr> but I have not yet start to read it in details
22:09 < jeru> rxr: let's see what the EU promoting companies will try to let EU constitution pass through, even if some countries have denied it
22:09 < jeru> they announced sth like that ...
22:12 < valentin> hm, the full version was removed from the offical server ?
22:12 < valentin> http://europa.eu.int/constitution/print_en.htm
22:13 < mnemoc> i was expecting a .doc :)
22:13 < _Ragnar__> *lol*
22:13 < rxr> a doc with black boxes and read text underneath ...
22:13 < rxr> and a lot of undo data ,-)
22:13 < mnemoc> :)
22:14 < _Ragnar__> the problem with the constitution is that it makes the EU even more anti-democratic and gives the country governments way too much power
22:14 < mnemoc> http://europa.eu.int/constitution/summary_en.htm
22:15 < valentin> hm, and the numbering of articles in part III does not follow the contents listing of part III ?!
22:16 < valentin> it says part III chapter 2 == Economic and Monetary poliicu
22:16 < valentin> s/u/y
22:16 < valentin> but part III chapter 2 == security/defense ?
22:16 < _Ragnar__> *g*
22:17 < jeru> valentin: what a defense ? :)
22:20 < jeru> .oO( didn't knew that we've a border to afghanistan )o 
22:20 < _Ragnar__> you know, all those snooping on the citizens and stuff
22:21 < valentin> and they could have used page numbers in the table of contens
22:21 < valentin> my problem is there is too much "law"-level stuff in it
22:21 < valentin> just skim over the toc in part 3
22:21 < valentin> i mean it is ok to have common policy agreements on - for example - public transportation, but wtf has this to do with a constitution ?
22:22 < _Ragnar__> nothing really
22:23 < jeru> seems that the corporate capitalism don't trust its own rules 
22:24 < _Ragnar__> no honor amount thieves
22:24 < jeru> hehe ... ack
22:25 < valentin> hmm:
22:26 < valentin> "member states shall, [....], encourage the echange of young workers"
22:26 < valentin> exchange even
22:26 < valentin> do they mean exchange between nations or 'replace' ? *g*
22:27 < jeru> valentin: poor young ALGII workers for forced labour I guess
22:29 < valentin> hm, "prohibition on making the human body and its parts as such source of financial gain"
22:29 < valentin> that would apply to popstars and p0rn, tooo
22:30 < valentin> interessting: read the protection of personal data section
22:31 < valentin> Article II-68 1
22:31 < valentin> otto should vote "no" for constitution
22:33 < valentin> scientific research shall be free to constraints
22:33 < valentin> oth they restrict genome work before
22:38 < valentin> Article II-101 3 : does this apply for software patents, too ?
22:40  * rxr is curious if X will come up in 64bit mode on the SPRAC ...
22:40 < valentin> II-111 ff is much restriction of the citicen rights
22:41  * valentin stoping reading
22:42 < rxr> == 22:41:35 =[5]=> Building www/firefox [1.0.4 2.2.0-alpha].
22:42 < rxr> -> JAVA_HOME set to blackdown-jdk
22:42 < rxr> ???
22:43 < mnemoc> parse-config
22:43 < mnemoc> you have a JAVA available, parse-config set the vars to let package use it
22:44 < rxr> mnemoc: did the loop mount on debug work when we forked off of rock ?
22:44 < _Ragnar__> rxr: how do I install/update a package and all it depends on?
22:44 < mnemoc> rxr: looking at the code i guess not
22:45 < rxr> _Ragnar__: from source? Emerge pkg
22:45 < rxr> that checks deps, too
22:45 < mnemoc> _Ragnar__: you can use 'mine' to query a package (.gem) for it's dependencies
22:46 < rxr> mnemoc: does it work in ROCK trunk:HEAD ?
22:46 < rxr> mnemoc: how do we wanna fix it - duplicate the loop et all code into the debug.sh wrapper ?
22:46 < _Ragnar__> it doesn't for me O_O
22:47 < mnemoc> rxr: the deep problem is not mounting... is umounting
22:47 < rxr> you mean it should not be unmounted ?
22:48 < mnemoc> rxr: it shall be
22:48 < rxr> mnemoc: more words please - I can not follow
22:48 < rxr> so shall not be unmounted?
22:48 < mnemoc> i added mount code insde debug.sh
22:48 < rxr> as I wrote some lines up? ...
22:48 < mnemoc> exiting it didn't umount (because i forgot to add that code)
22:49 < mnemoc> and Cleanup didn't saw the mount and remove my whole tree
22:49 < mnemoc> i mean, adding code to mount is easy
22:49 < mnemoc> but adding safe code to umount is not
22:50 < rxr> hm - I could continue looking into it tomorrow
22:50 < mnemoc> i think Cleanup should umount every mount point on the path before removing files :)
22:50 < rxr> but it must be remounted on demand in debug.sh - since I want to have it working when my box powers down in the night and I want to debug it in the morning ...
22:50 < mnemoc> blind logic
22:50 < rxr> mnemoc: yep - or that
22:51 < rxr> cu - me sleeping
22:51 < mnemoc> debug.sh: mount, chroot, umount    and safer Cleanup script
22:51 < mnemoc> i wonder how did we never noticed on rock
22:51 < mnemoc> loop thing was there almost a year before the fork
22:51 < mnemoc> cu rxr 
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