--- Log opened Sun Jun 05 00:00:57 2005
00:01 < rxr> I wonder if it is worth to try to train this engine ...
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00:41 < rxr> hm - there is a english open source model - however it is quite huge ...
00:41 < rxr> http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/sphinx/models/
00:41 * rxr soon in ebd ...
00:41 < mnemoc_> rxr: no comments about nested targets today?
00:45 < rxr> no - I needed to relax and bit ... - that is I wanted to get my precious via voice copy working in wine
00:46 < valentin> relax :)
00:47 < mnemoc_> :)
00:47 < rxr> yeah - that is not doing the usual stuff ..
00:47 < rxr> and I want to dictate my future work ...
00:47 < mnemoc_> using wine to relax.... good choice
00:47 < mnemoc_> ^_^
00:47 < rxr> this '98 via voice worked quite reliable - and we have 2005 now ...
00:48 < rxr> right now I'm wget'ting a 150MB open-source english model for sphinx ...
00:50 < valentin> valentin prefers juice, tea and lemonade over wine today
00:51 < valentin> rxr: so in the future you will type into one terminal and dictate into another simultaneos ?
00:52 < rxr> mnemoc_: why do you want to have this sematic extension when bash sourcing of the fils needed should scale quite fine
00:52 < mnemoc_> {foo} vs. {foo,var}
00:52 < mnemoc_> first fail
00:52 < rxr> valentin: no - watch the trees and birds outside and dictate my article - to relax and such ...
00:52 < mnemoc_> and doing the workaround for one-token targetchain doesn't pay off
00:53 < mnemoc_> get_expanded is cheaper
00:56 < rxr> there are days where I can not follow
00:56 < mnemoc_> $targetchain is a list
00:57 < mnemoc_> if i have 2+ tokens i can target/{${targetchain// /,}}/foo and be happy
00:57 < mnemoc_> target/{foo,var}/foo
00:57 < rxr> 642209031 Jan 8 2002 language_model.arpaformat
00:57 < rxr> ^- oh my god
00:57 < rxr> unzipped ...
00:58 < mnemoc_> but that doesn't work for one element lists
00:58 < rxr> and sphinx wants to load this into system memory for recognition ...
00:58 < mnemoc_> because {foo} is not valid
00:59 < mnemoc_> i could use: if [ "${targetchain// /}" == "$targetchain" ]; then echo "$targetchain"; else echo "{${targetchain// /,}"; fi
01:00 < mnemoc_> but i considered that unacceptably ugly
01:00 < rxr> mnemoc_: please let us put asaide all those discussion and focus on the work ahand ...
01:00 < rxr> that is getting 2.1 out and 2.2 u/dev and the other alredy started changes
01:01 < rxr> I think any other change leads to an end-less 1year++ regeneration cycle
01:01 < valentin> then target extends for 2.3 ?
01:02 < mnemoc_> i think it's clean enough for 2.2
01:03 < mnemoc_> a natural need for targets like embedded
01:03 < mnemoc_> or, in my case, mnemosyne
01:03 < valentin> mnemoc_: does it break sth for targets that do not use that feature ?
01:03 < mnemoc_> valentin: they wont notice it
01:05 < rxr> mnemoc_: targets can already be extended by simply sourcing of files folrm the first one ..
01:05 < mnemoc_> false
01:05 < mnemoc_> patches wont be loaded from other targets
01:07 < rxr> mnemoc_: _PLEASE_ let us get 2.1 out - and started features in 2.2 finalized before we consider further changes
01:08 < mnemoc_> rxr: does that mean you will help me with the 20 broken packages left? http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html
01:08 < mnemoc_> rxr: you know i'm not good fixing gcc34 stuff
01:09 < rxr> hey - I already fixed 2 or so 2 days ago
01:09 < rxr> but yes I will help with the others, too
01:09 < mnemoc_> 2 :)
01:09 < mnemoc_> thanks :)
01:10 < mnemoc_> i was fearing to get 2.2 out before 2.1
01:11 < valentin> kaffeine should be trivial, it is only duplicate kde pixmap installation
01:11 < mnemoc_> valentin: which would you preserve?
01:12 < mnemoc_> valentin: i have the same trouble with sun-java mime-types
01:12 < valentin> dunno - never used any of those
01:13 < rxr> keep kaffeins
01:13 < mnemoc_> ok
01:18 < valentin> what is the problem with xconq ?
01:18 < valentin> ah - ok
01:18 < valentin> should be just a default: } at the end of a switch
01:20 < valentin> i could try to fix that
01:20 < valentin> mnemoc_: is the package in 2.1 the same as in trunk ?
01:21 < mnemoc_> i think so
01:21 < mnemoc_> fix it there, and i merge&test
01:30 < rxr> n8
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01:31 < keinek> hi
01:31 < mnemoc_> hi keinek
01:32 < valentin> gn8 rxr
01:34 < CIA-9> valentin * r9412 /trunk/package/games/xconq/gcc34-switch.patch: * removed labels at end of switch compound to allow xconq for being built with newer gcc versions
01:35 < valentin> mnemoc_: compiles here now
01:35 < mnemoc_> thanks :)
01:36 < valentin> but i am not sure if it works
01:36 < mnemoc_> i'm sure we are closer to see it working now :)
01:37 < valentin> at least i do not know how to connect to my own game and the tcltk config dialog produces some error messages here and there
01:38 < mnemoc_> oh
01:38 < mnemoc_> we need an issue tracker
01:39 < valentin> mnemoc_: i think this problem is not t2 related, it is just about how to use this game
01:40 < valentin> and the tcl errors came because i think i did something that was not expected ,)
01:43 < valentin> ah starting a specific game from the command line works
01:43 < mnemoc_> :D
01:43 < valentin> how can one implement a game in tcl ?
01:44 < mnemoc_> how can one implement a game in lisp?
01:44 < valentin> hm, no idea
01:44 < valentin> however, i will stop trying
01:44 < valentin> just test if i fixed your problem
02:01 < mnemoc_> valentin: sure
02:22 < CIA-9> amery * r9413 /branches/2.1/package/ (649 files in 649 dirs): (log message trimmed)
02:22 < CIA-9> * merged 9326 from trunk: changed valentin's packages to use 'Valentin Ziegler '
02:22 < CIA-9> * merged 9328 from trunk: changed rene's packages to use 'Rene Rebe '
02:22 < CIA-9> * merged 9329 from trunk: changed mike's packages to use 'Miguel Bolanos '
02:22 < CIA-9> * merged 9330 from trunk: changed minto's packages to use 'Minto van der Sluis '
02:22 < CIA-9> * merged 9331 from trunk: changed jeru's packages to use 'Christian Wiese '
02:22 < CIA-9> * merged 9336 from trunk: changed george's packages to use 'Juergen "George" Sawinski '
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03:00 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
03:00 -!- Topic set by menomc [] [Sat Apr 16 00:33:34 2005]
03:00 [Users #t2]
03:00 [ _Lewellyn] [ jsaw ] [ mtr] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin]
03:00 [ _Ragnar__] [ keinek_] [ nzg] [ SerWou ]
03:00 [ CIA-9 ] [ mnemoc_] [ rxr] [ sparc-kly[u5]]
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03:00 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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03:43 < valentin> gn8 mnemoc_
03:43 < mnemoc_> n8 valentin
03:48 < CIA-9> amery * r9415 /branches/2.1/package/mail/nullmailer/nullmailer.desc: * merged 9144 from trunk: transfered nullmailer maintenance to rene
04:18 < mnemoc_> _Lewellyn: here?
04:20 < CIA-9> amery * r9416 /branches/2.1/package/ (6 files in 2 dirs):
04:20 < CIA-9> * merged 9262 from trunk: updated gens (2.12a-rc2 -> 2.12a-rc3)
04:20 < CIA-9> * merged 9263 from trunk: moved games/gens into emulators/
04:20 < CIA-9> * merged (partially) 9345 from trunk: removed Daniel Pischl maintainership over gens
04:20 < mnemoc_> _Lewellyn: the name of the 'state' of doing the maintainance of something... maintainership?
04:25 < CIA-9> amery * r9417 /branches/2.1/package/network/stunnel/stunnel.desc:
04:25 < CIA-9> * merged 9278 from trunk: updated stunnel (4.09 -> 4.10)
04:25 < CIA-9> * merged 9278 from trunk: transfered stunnel to 'Christian Wiese '
04:26 < CIA-9> amery * r9418 /branches/2.1/package/ (base/uclibc/uclibc.desc x11/fox/fox.desc): * merged 9405 from trunk: transferred fox and uclibc to "Roland Schulz " (aka Ragnar)
04:36 < CIA-9> amery * r9419 /branches/2.1/package/database/bdb-java/sun-friendly-dotjar.patch: * merged 9355 from trunk: changed bdb-java to produce sun's javac friendly .jar files
05:12 < CIA-9> amery * r9420 /trunk/package/filesystem/coda/coda.desc: * updated coda (6.0.8 -> 6.0.10)
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05:44 < CIA-9> amery * r9421 /trunk/package/java/ (5 files in 2 dirs): * merged 9386 from 2.1: changed ibm-{jre,jdk}-142 to use a java-ibm-conf.in common config file
05:48 < CIA-9> amery * r9422 /branches/2.1/package/x86/spicctrl/ (install-prefix.patch spicctrl.desc): * merged 8793,9170 from trunk: updated spicctrl (1.7 -> 1.8)
05:52 < CIA-9> amery * r9423 /trunk/package/java/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * merged 9408 from 2.1: fixed sun-{jre,jdk}-150 to not touch /etc/mailcap
05:53 < CIA-9> amery * r9424 /trunk/package/gnome2/seahorse/no-update-mime-database.patch: * merged 9387 from 2.1: adapted seahorse/no-update-mime-database.patch to 0.7.7
06:27 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc_: yes. :)
06:30 < mnemoc_> _Lewellyn: thanks :)
06:30 < _Lewellyn> n/p.
06:30 < _Lewellyn> my client is always here; i'm often. :)
06:35 < mnemoc_> same here
06:37 < CIA-9> amery * r9425 /branches/2.1/misc/archive/ (fmnewpackage.sh newpackage.sh): * merged 9334 from trunk: changed newpackage.sh and fmnewpackage.sh to use t2@t2-project.org as default [M]
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10:26 < CIA-9> mika * r9426 /trunk/package/kde/kdebase/hal_050.patch: * fixed kdebase hal patch to apply
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11:32 < mipe> http://212.66.194.40/t2/livecd/log/5-at76c503a.err
11:33 < rxr_> re
11:33 < mipe> at above url the patch that doesnt apply its for kernel module?
11:33 < mipe> hi rxr
11:37 < _Lewellyn> morning rxr
11:41 < rxr_> moin _Lewellyn mipe mnemoc ,-)
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12:25 < CIA-9> rene * r9427 /trunk/package/base/libdaemon/libdaemon.desc: * updated libdaemon (0.7 -> 0.8)
12:26 < CIA-9> rene * r9428 /trunk/package/network/ifplugd/ifplugd.desc: * updated ifplugd (0.27 -> 0.28)
12:27 < valentin> moin
12:28 < _Lewellyn> hoi valentin
12:30 < valentin> hi _Lewellyn
12:35 < valentin> what time is it over there ?
12:35 < rxr> 2 =
12:35 < rxr> ?
12:35 < valentin> t - 6h or t - 7h ?
12:52 < _Lewellyn> 4am :(
12:52 < _Lewellyn> and i'm at work
12:52 < _Lewellyn> we're on summer time, so we're utc -0700 right now
12:55 < valentin> at work ?
12:57 < _Lewellyn> yes. :(
12:58 < _Lewellyn> been here for about 9 hours now
12:58 < _Lewellyn> i think i'm halfway done :(
12:59 < _Lewellyn> there were a dozen issues with my code i sent off for testing. and i need it tested thoroughly before 8am uk time monday.
12:59 < _Lewellyn> so i'm racing against the clock to fix everything and pound on it really hard :)
12:59 < rxr> it is so unbelievable how well this 98 ViaVoice recognizes speech ...
13:00 < rxr> damn - and it is now the first time since I purchased it that I start to use it ...
13:00 < CIA-9> rene * r9429 /trunk/package/x11/gentoo/gentoo.desc: * updated gentoo (0.11.54 -> 0.11.55)
13:00 < rxr> maybe it works under wine when I copy the speech profile and thus this audio setup tool - that does not want to find the mixer in wine - does not need to run ...
13:00 < rxr> but first I dictate my article now ...
13:04 < _Lewellyn> viavoice is great.
13:04 < _Lewellyn> speech recognition was os/2's killer feature in version 4.
13:04 < _Lewellyn> too bad it was the only killer feature :(
13:05 < rxr> _Lewellyn: you know what ... I run ViaVoice on a 233Mhz Pentium-MMX - the box in the corner I only use for driver reverse engeneering ...
13:05 < rxr> and it is usable - at 233Mhz ...
13:05 < rxr> !!!
13:06 < rxr> but my plan is to get it running in wine ...
13:06 < _Lewellyn> well, i have a copy of like viavoice 2000. so let me know if 98 works :)
13:08 < rxr> well - 98 installs fine in wine - and the programs look promossing - the only thing that does not work is the audio setup assitent - it complains it can not find or so the audio mixer ...
13:09 < rxr> though the sound recorder proof of concept app included in viavoice 98 is able to capture from my sound cards mic ...
13:09 < rxr> and the embedded videos demoing how to speak and such also run fine - including audio output
13:09 < rxr> so the only thing so far that is missing is some mixer app or so included in windows that the audio setup thing wants to strat
13:10 < rxr> however maybe it is not needed if I copy the set-up profile and regestriy stuff over
13:10 < mipe> damn pmount
13:10 < mipe> where do i get libsysfs.h
13:10 < rxr> copying all the windows files into wine did not help ...
13:10 < rxr> sysfsutils or so ...
13:10 < rxr> well - what a thunderstorm here ,-)
13:11 < mipe> hmm, sysfsutils needs to be added to livecd and java-dirtree too
13:11 < valentin> rxr: yep
13:11 < _Lewellyn> yay. i've only got 4 of 12 issues left.
13:12 < _Lewellyn> unfortunately, 2 are flagged red and 2 are flagged yellow. i flag with five colors (in order of difficulty/priority): orange, green, blue, yellow, red.
13:13 < _Lewellyn> this going to be a fun morning... :(
13:13 * _Lewellyn wanted to spend it getting t2 up and running on his new machine
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15:11 < keinek> hi
15:13 < _Lewellyn> morning keinek
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15:24 < sparc-kly> good morning
15:25 < valentin> morning sparc-kly
15:25 < valentin> and keinek
15:29 < valentin> rxr: how shall i "translate" /dev/usb/tts/* ? "usb serial device" ?
15:34 < rxr> yes
15:40 < valentin> will serpnp work with usb modems / cellphones ?
15:40 < rxr> no idea
15:40 < rxr> needs a test
15:42 < valentin> there should be a better solution to get the id of an usb device
15:45 < rxr> what do you mean
15:46 < _Lewellyn> serpnp is on the livecd only, right?
15:46 < valentin> sth like USB HID v1.00 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Mouse] on usb-0001:10:19.0-1
15:47 < rxr> _Lewellyn: it will be in T2, too soon
15:47 < rxr> right now it is only on the live cd
15:49 < _Lewellyn> ok. once i can boot the livecd, i'll test serpnp against my usb cdma phone.
15:49 < _Lewellyn> with luck, i'll be able to do so in a couple hours.
15:50 < _Lewellyn> (provided i can figure out why it's not booting.)
15:50 < valentin> where "luck" here means that you do not fall asleep before ?
15:50 < _Lewellyn> yes.
15:50 < _Lewellyn> and that more problems are not discovered :(
15:51 * _Lewellyn so wants this phase of the project to be done and over with
15:51 * valentin hands _Lewellyn some caffeinated drink
15:51 < _Lewellyn> no no. caffeine doesn't do it for me.
15:51 < valentin> cocaine ?
15:51 < _Lewellyn> i'll go get some juice in a short while.
15:51 < _Lewellyn> no coke is bad. :(
15:51 < valentin> amphetamine ?
15:51 < _Lewellyn> valentin: are you trying to kill me?!?
15:51 < _Lewellyn> ;)
15:51 < valentin> adrenochrome ?
15:51 < _Lewellyn> THAT may be interesting
15:51 < _Lewellyn> provided it's not just a story.
15:52 < valentin> it turns you into an reptile :)
15:52 < valentin> if you know jonny depps performance
15:54 < valentin> i read the army experimented with adrenochrome, Hunter Thompson overstated its effects in Fear & Loathing
15:54 < _Lewellyn> as i said about being a story :)
15:54 < _Lewellyn> apparently he overstated a lot
15:55 < _Lewellyn> but i still wish i could have met him before he passed on
15:55 < _Lewellyn> the whole city mourned him
15:55 < valentin> ah - he was some kind of local hero in cal ?
15:56 < valentin> but i'll never forget about Depp's acting as adrenochrom'ed gonzo
15:57 < valentin> if you saw the film
15:57 < _Lewellyn> i didn't care for the film much
15:57 < _Lewellyn> but he lived here in san francisco.
15:57 < _Lewellyn> he influenced a bit of the city, so it was sad for him to go.
15:58 < valentin> btw: is Armistead Maupin still alive (maybe i misspelled the name, sorry) ?
15:58 < _Lewellyn> i do not know, sorry :(
16:08 < valentin> rxr: btw, when running any program with valgrind on ppc i get hundreds and thousands of errors in glibc etc
16:09 < valentin> often even some free() errors
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16:20 < jeru> moin
16:21 < _Lewellyn> morning jeru
16:23 < jeru> hi _Lewellyn :)
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16:26 < valentin> moin jeru
16:31 < jeru> moin valentin
16:31 < rxr> this glibc noise is "normal" - tough not yet all on PPC seem to be in the glibc's valid crap blacklist
16:32 < rxr> I'm happy that the ppc valgrind runs that well at all ...
16:32 < jeru> hi rxr
16:32 < rxr> hi jeru
16:38 < valentin> something is brewing out there
16:38 < valentin> its geting darker and stormy
16:38 < jeru> valentin: did you checked you radar ? ;)
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17:11 -!- Topic set by menomc [] [Sat Apr 16 00:33:34 2005]
17:11 [Users #t2]
17:11 [ _Lewellyn] [ jeru ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
17:11 [ _Ragnar__] [ jsaw ] [ mtr ] [ SerWou ]
17:11 [ CIA-9 ] [ keinek] [ nzg ] [ sparc-kly[u5]]
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17:11 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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17:11 < CIA-9> chris * r9430 /trunk/package/security/clamav/clamav.desc: * updated clamav (0.83 -> 0.85.1)
17:12 < jeru> valentin: yes ... me too ... it's the first box I had problems running vi on the livecd
17:21 < jeru> .oO( I've to clean a damn windoze box from friends )o
17:24 < rxr> re
17:24 < rxr> DSL shortage ..
17:24 < rxr> guess due to some thuder ...
17:25 < jeru> rxr: oh! ... I had no problems so far ....
17:38 < jeru> rxr: how long does it take to build the livecd on your athlon ?
17:39 < jeru> )
17:39 < jeru> valentin: yes ... me too ... it's the first box I had pro
17:39 < jeru> )
17:39 < jeru> valentin: yes ... me too ... it's the first box I had pro
17:39 < jeru> )
17:39 < jeru> valentin: yes ... me too ... it's the first box I had pro
17:39 < jeru> )
17:39 < jeru> valentin: yes ... me too ... it's the first box I had pro
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17:56 < valentin> hoho
17:56 < valentin> what was that ?
17:57 < valentin> *lunch*
18:12 < _Lewellyn> hm. i should eat something more than flax crackers soon
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18:35 < valentin> re
18:36 < _Lewellyn> that was a quick lunch
18:38 < valentin> yes ?
18:39 < valentin> 35 minutes
18:40 < valentin> two plates of noodles, one salad bowl
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19:15 < jeru> re hi ... did I missed sth ?
19:15 < jeru> .oO( hopefully valentin is still alive )o ;)
19:27 < valentin> jeru: you amok pasted
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20:07 < jeru> valentin: ?
20:09 < valentin> phoning
20:21 < valentin> jeru: w'sup ?
20:23 < jeru> jeru: you amok pasted <- ?
20:23 < valentin> 17:39 < jeru> )
20:23 < valentin> 17:39 < jeru> valentin: yes ... me too ... it's the first box I had pro
20:23 < valentin> 17:39 < jeru> )
20:23 < valentin> 17:39 < jeru> valentin: yes ... me too ... it's the first box I had pro
20:23 < valentin> 17:39 < jeru> )
20:23 < valentin> and so on ...
20:24 < jeru> ah :)
20:24 < valentin> a bit nervous on your middle finger ?
20:25 < jeru> no! I haven't done anything
20:26 < jeru> I guess it was a server fault
20:26 < jeru> I just typed it once
20:32 < _Lewellyn> suuuuure you did! ;)
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21:43 < CIA-9> chris * r9431 /trunk/package/develop/cheetah/cheetah.desc: * updated cheetah (0.9.16 -> 0.9.17)
22:30 < rxr> n8 all
22:30 * rxr up early ...
22:30 < rxr> valentin: btw. we need the network aware live cd tomorrow ...
22:31 < jeru> rxr: good night ... sleep well
22:34 < rxr> u2 ,-)
22:34 < jeru> rxr: thanks ... I guess will soon sleep too .. cu tomorrow ;)
23:05 < valentin> rxr: ok
23:06 < valentin> anyone answered about the live cd ?
23:33 < CIA-9> chris * r9432 /trunk/package/security/prewikka/prewikka.desc: * updated prewikka (0.9.0-rc5 -> 0.9.0-rc6)
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