--- Log opened Mon Jun 06 00:00:57 2005 01:26 * _Lewellyn heads out of the office and grumbles that he didn't get to install t2 this weekend :( 01:26 < _Lewellyn> see you all tomorrow 01:35 < valentin> still awake ? 01:35 < valentin> cu _Lewellyn 01:37 < mnemoc> hi 01:39 < valentin> hi mnemoc 01:39 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFC587.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 01:39 < valentin> how are you ? 01:39 < mnemoc> fine, and you? 01:39 < valentin> quite good 01:39 < mnemoc> nice 01:39 < valentin> besides that i have to do some more stuff on netconf tonight 01:40 < mnemoc> there is an un-answered qustion aout t2@live on ML 01:40 < mnemoc> about* 01:40 < valentin> if there is no stabe-to-use version tomorow rxr will be quite disappointed 01:40 < mnemoc> when is your deadline? 01:41 < valentin> mnemoc: i read it, but i dod not know exactly what to answer 01:41 < valentin> we wanted to give them a version tomorow 01:41 < valentin> that is today 01:41 < valentin> monday 01:41 < mnemoc> uff 01:41 < valentin> this will not be final, but they want to use it as a pre-final test candidate 01:42 < valentin> how many errors left for 2.1 ? 01:43 < mnemoc> assuming ooo without java, 19 of 1587 01:43 < mnemoc> 1584 01:44 < mnemoc> balsa and spamassassin or the most important of those imo 01:44 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html 01:45 < mnemoc> i didn't want to release rc1 without www2 working but... i seems jeru needs more time 01:46 < valentin> he seems to be quite busy theese days. we almost had a working plone, but he wants to implement sth in pure zope 01:46 < mnemoc> pure zope? 01:46 < valentin> when do you want to release ? as soon as those errors are fixed 01:46 < valentin> mnemoc: or whatever 01:47 < valentin> he quit some time ago, so we cannot ask 01:47 < mnemoc> rc1... it can be now or after blas and spamassasin gets fixed 01:48 < mnemoc> final needs some runtime testing and extra fixing 01:48 < mnemoc> s/blas/balsa/ 01:51 < mnemoc> currently i'm trying to fix nvrec 01:52 < mnemoc> i don't understand how the failing part of balsa is coded 01:52 < mnemoc> and spamassassin was a nightmare 01:52 < mnemoc> i had the hope of rene fixing them but.... 01:55 < valentin> you mean the segfault ? 01:56 < mnemoc> yes, and _N() thing on balsa 01:57 < valentin> did you contact the package authors ? 01:58 < valentin> gtk_label_new_with_mnemonic <- did you patch around in balsa ? 01:59 < mnemoc> me? 01:59 < mnemoc> nah 01:59 < mnemoc> about authors, this problems seems to be T2-only 01:59 < mnemoc> nothing similar on google or on their MLs 01:59 < valentin> ouhm 02:00 < valentin> at least the balsa ppl should be able to help you imo 02:00 < valentin> the segfault seems to be a pathologic erros 02:00 < valentin> error even 02:01 < valentin> but the other thing is a simple code thing - maybe due to some generated config.h stuff, but i think they can tell you 02:01 < valentin> if you give them the message 02:02 < mnemoc> ok, ... i'll subscribe :( 02:02 < valentin> what is the exact problem with gnome-sword ? i see no error message in the log 02:03 < mnemoc> libgtkhtml-3.0 02:03 < mnemoc> cvs only, not yet added as package 02:04 < valentin> well, who needs the bible *duck* 02:05 < mnemoc> :) 02:05 < mnemoc> i was about to move it to attic :p 02:05 < valentin> at least i think it is not a show-stopper when missing in 2.1 02:08 < mnemoc> gnomesword, of coruse not :) 02:10 < valentin> with a little chance jsaw will show up and fix it 02:12 < mnemoc> jsaw... i miss him 02:12 < valentin> he seems to be quite busy with thesis and family 02:34 < valentin> do you have a good idea how to get the current ppp status (besides parsing the logs) 02:35 < mnemoc> i parse `ip l` and `ip a` :( 02:37 < valentin> but i want connection time 02:43 < mnemoc> no idea 02:44 < valentin> :/ 02:45 < mnemoc> what about log's modification date as reference? 02:46 < valentin> which log ? 02:47 < valentin> i could use the ppp?.pid 02:49 < mnemoc> i log to /var/log/ppp0/current 02:49 < mnemoc> but that's me :) 02:50 < mnemoc> ppp?.pid wont tell you _connection_ time 02:50 < mnemoc> just interface time 02:50 < valentin> hm, the default rocknet implementation does not do this 02:50 < valentin> think i have to pass an option, right ? 02:54 < mnemoc> i do it for runit 02:55 < mnemoc> i think debug does it 02:56 < valentin> hm, i am temped to try with my own connection *g* 02:56 < valentin> what else is logged into that file ? e.g connection errors due to line busy etc ? 02:56 < valentin> if i knew where kerstin hides her old serial modem i would try out 02:57 < valentin> i need to display status / errors 02:58 < mnemoc> yes 03:17 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-207-250.prtc.net] has joined #t2 03:24 < valentin> hi sparc-kly 03:27 < sparc-kly> hi :P 03:27 * sparc-kly wait for WWDC Keynote . 03:28 < valentin> you are there ? 03:29 < sparc-kly> no I hope that they clarify the rumor of intel-macs 03:29 < valentin> ah 03:29 < _Lewellyn> it's not bloody likely. 03:29 < _Lewellyn> :) 03:29 < valentin> sorry, to much hacking too late at night today 03:30 < _Lewellyn> 1) both apple and ibm have too much invested in bringing the g5 down to < 30 watts, making a dual-core g5, and making a g6. 03:30 < _Lewellyn> 2) xscale is popular right now and apple is a long-time xscale fan 03:30 < valentin> _Lewellyn: i think this is apples strategy to force ibm to lower their prices 03:30 < _Lewellyn> not likely 03:31 < _Lewellyn> apple sources their chips for less than they could get intel parts for 03:31 < valentin> _Lewellyn: 3) it will cost apple millions to port their system/software and support two processors 03:31 < _Lewellyn> some estimates say apple pays $90 per g4 to freescale and $120 per g5 to ibm. 03:32 < _Lewellyn> valentin: there are solutions to that :) 03:32 < _Lewellyn> there's transitive.com. there's fat binaries. 03:32 < valentin> there are emulators *g* 03:32 < valentin> btw: you should go to sleep 03:33 < valentin> when i look outside my window i see dawn rising 03:33 < _Lewellyn> my personal favorite speculation is that apple will get intel to make an on-die x86 translator and screw ms with their pos vpc. :) 03:33 < _Lewellyn> i know i should. 03:33 < _Lewellyn> the sun is going to be setting here soon. 03:33 < _Lewellyn> and my favorite bartender is now on duty. 03:33 < _Lewellyn> i guess i'll take a 7pm nightcap tonight 03:34 < valentin> no caffeine, but alcohol ... ts,ts 03:35 < _Lewellyn> it's bedtime. i can do caffeine and alcohol now. 03:35 < valentin> a trivial but amazing fact that it is the same sun that lights my horizon and sets on yours 03:36 < _Lewellyn> yes 03:36 < _Lewellyn> we are half a world apart, though. so it makes sense. 03:36 < _Lewellyn> well, not quite 03:37 < valentin> i guess more than half folowing the sun 03:38 < _Lewellyn> haha. www.maconintel.com 03:38 < sparc-kly> :S :S 03:43 < valentin> so my next apple will be an Xbox-360 03:43 < valentin> with a real ppc cpu 03:46 < _Lewellyn> my gamecube has a ppc :) 03:47 < valentin> i have one 03:47 < valentin> s/i/my girl 03:47 < _Lewellyn> that's actually why i got a gc vs a ps2. 03:47 < valentin> but it is quite tricky to get linux on it 03:47 < _Lewellyn> i have been wanting to learn ppc assembly for ages. 03:48 < _Lewellyn> and i don't care about linux 03:48 < valentin> i have a dreamcast 03:48 < _Lewellyn> i want to write my own stuff 03:48 < _Lewellyn> all ps2 had going for it was that you can run linux 03:48 < valentin> _Lewellyn: then you have the same problem with getting code on the gc 03:48 < _Lewellyn> i can do that on a 386. 03:48 < _Lewellyn> valentin: sd reader memory card and an action replay :) 03:49 < _Lewellyn> a 16mb card holds a lot of homebrew code 03:52 < _Lewellyn> ok. it's really time for me to go. 03:52 < valentin> you can even solder a 256 mb flash card to the plug 03:52 < valentin> cu _Lewellyn, have a nice morning 03:52 < _Lewellyn> eh. i want to be able to steal the card to use in my pc, palm, and camera :) 03:52 < _Lewellyn> no, you have a nice morning, i'll have a nice evening :) 03:53 < valentin> you can do that 03:53 < valentin> whatever 04:17 < valentin> any news from the keynote ? 05:27 < valentin> daybreak over, sun is starting to rise 05:40 < valentin> i think i will stay up and say good morning to rxr 06:51 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-207-250.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:08 < valentin> damn, doc.trolltech.com down again 07:09 < valentin> i have the feeling the reconnect their servers every night 07:25 < rxr> re 07:26 < rxr> moin valentin 07:26 < valentin> hi rxr 07:26 < valentin> how are you ? 07:27 < rxr> oh - I slept - but still tired ... 07:27 < rxr> and you ? *g* 07:28 < valentin> well, i had a down around 4:30 07:28 < valentin> but now i am more awake again 07:29 < rxr> and how is your hacking ? 07:30 < valentin> ok, i did many things and fixed some bugs 07:31 < valentin> but for the ppp section i still have to play around with a real modem first 07:31 < valentin> i could come over in some hours and test with yours 07:31 < rxr> you to come over ... 07:31 < rxr> when do you wanna sleep ? 07:33 < valentin> when i am dead ? 07:34 < valentin> or in the evening whatever 07:45 < rxr> if you want to come over - it would of course be helpful I thnk 07:45 < rxr> but keep care that you do not destroy yourself 07:45 < rxr> how is the netconf gon'g? 07:46 < valentin> i think i answered the question 7:30 07:46 < valentin> sleeping now would make absolutly no sense 07:47 < rxr> as you wish 07:53 < rxr> http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/05/06/06/0026256.shtml 07:55 < rxr> Konqueror passes ACID2 Test 07:55 < rxr> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/view/1129 07:56 < valentin> yep - two days ago i posted a screenshot of M$IE on acid 07:58 < rxr> yep - saw it *evel grin* 07:58 < rxr> IE is known to not honor much CSS - if at all 07:59 < rxr> e.g. it misrenders the last and the curretn exact code site - and I had to teak the simple CSS of Falks site a few times for the simple boder and padding to work in IE ... 07:59 < _Ragnar__> :D 08:02 < valentin> hi _Ragnar__ 08:04 < rxr> hey _Ragnar__ 08:04 < _Ragnar__> hey 08:12 < valentin> but IE renders all pages designed with frontpage - where konqueror or firefox often fail due to malformed html 08:21 < rxr> frontpage? the first index.html or what ? 08:23 < valentin> front page is the M$ weapon to fight at the browser war front 08:24 < rxr> they patented index.html? 08:24 < valentin> rxr: don't tell me you do not know M$ fronpage... 08:25 < rxr> sure - I'm just joking ... 08:28 < valentin> hm, two tea or not two tea ? 08:29 < rxr> yeah - that is a question - I got coffee ... 08:29 < valentin> cool 08:29 < valentin> maybe when i came over, i need some coffe, too. 08:30 < valentin> btw: greetings from Nils and Andreas 08:31 < rxr> nice - greetings back .. 08:31 < rxr> have you phoned niko on his birthday ? 08:39 < valentin> ouhm - damn 08:39 < valentin> forget that every year 08:39 < valentin> but he often forgot mine, also 08:46 < rxr> dito ... 08:46 < rxr> `date` 08:55 < valentin> At least QT features easy to use callback timers 08:56 < valentin> no manual runloop fidling as in cocoa 08:56 < rxr> Mac is the best ... 08:56 < valentin> and no handmade proxy-ing like in gtkmm 08:56 < rxr> .o(and in some days they will uzse the best CPUs on earth) 08:56 < valentin> ok, i do not know how gtk is in version 2.0 08:57 < valentin> did they decide ? 08:57 < rxr> nope 08:58 < rxr> me just joking about the "best OS" on earth 08:58 < rxr> with 250+ new features in the latest version 08:58 < valentin> rxr: did you answer the t2 live cd mail ? 08:58 < rxr> yes 08:59 < valentin> and - how is it called ? @live or live ? 08:59 < rxr> @Live I think 08:59 < rxr> mnemoc also liked this name that I randomly picked while naming the first release ISO ... 09:08 < valentin> i'll take a shower now 09:20 < _Ragnar__> nini folks 09:20 < rxr> n8 rxr 09:20 < rxr> n8 _Ragnar__ even ,-) 09:20 < _Ragnar__> ;D 09:21 < CIA-9> rene * r9433 /trunk/package/emulators/bochs/ (bochs.desc gcc34.patch): * updated bochs (2.1.1 -> 2.2) 09:32 < CIA-9> rene * r9434 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/wine.conf: 09:32 < CIA-9> * do not install an outdated ROCK_DOC file from wine that contains 09:32 < CIA-9> misleading information - we rather should install a default 09:32 < CIA-9> registry and file tree in a later revision 09:55 < rxr> Searching for available swap partitions. ................................... v 09:55 < rxr> Linux swap, version 2, subversion 1, 4 KiB pages, little-endian Swap size 258.8 MiB (271392768 bytes, 66258 pages of 4 KiB) 09:55 < rxr> Activating discovered swap space on /dev/hda1. 09:55 < rxr> just hacked live cd feature ... ,-) 10:05 < rxr> Activating discovered swap space on /dev/hda1. :-) 10:05 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0506/38447.html 10:10 < valentin> re 10:11 < rxr> now I'll later need to add auto swap file creation - even on windows partitions ... 10:11 < rxr> and add a lot of user-setable options to give control about that automatisms ... 11:11 < rxr> hm - I just called ScanSoft here in Germany - Munich 11:11 < valentin> rxr: i think i drive to AH first and visit you after that 11:11 < valentin> what did they say 11:11 < rxr> they ware aware of linux and the first receptionist woman knew that their Naturally Speaking does work under Linux/Wine but only dictation - not navigation on the desktop ... 11:36 < valentin> rxr: i want to cut an aluminium tube for the shower curtain 11:36 < valentin> can your saw do something like that ? 11:37 < rxr> wich one the electric one ? 11:37 < valentin> for example 11:37 < rxr> well - it is not really intended for it - but it could be used for it (if the tube is not too thik) 11:37 < rxr> however using a metal hand saw would be more idial 11:38 < valentin> thickness is below 1mm i think 11:38 < valentin> do you have one ? 11:38 < rxr> have on lieing around here ... 11:38 < valentin> one or no ? 11:38 < rxr> one 11:38 < valentin> nice 11:38 < valentin> i think a hand saw is easier for the round surface 11:39 < rxr> yes - this "sticksaege" is not really inteded for that use - but could be obfuscated if really needed ... 11:39 < valentin> because the electric one will be slipping 11:40 < valentin> i just take the tube with me today, and then we can see if we manage to do it 11:43 < rxr> ok 11:44 -!- tilix [~ilia@pppoe29.bol.bg] has joined #t2 11:45 < valentin> ok, cu later then 11:45 < rxr> cu valentin 11:45 < rxr> hi tilix 11:45 < tilix> hi rxr 12:06 < rxr> oh - cool - my slashdot acrticle reply was voted 4:informative and caused quite some traffic on our side ... ,-) 12:08 -!- _jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 12:08 -!- _jeru is now known as jeru 12:08 < rxr> hi jeru 12:09 < jeru> hehe, moin rxr :) 12:12 < tilix> rxr: are you still using ddcxinfo from Kanotix/ 12:13 < rxr> yes, why ? 12:13 < tilix> It`s updated: http://www.kanotix.com/files/debian/ddcxinfo-kanotix/ 12:13 < tilix> some laptop fixes 12:19 < rxr> tilix: thanks 12:19 < CIA-9> rene * r9435 /trunk/package/x11/ddcxinfo/ddcxinfo.desc: * updated ddcxinfo (0.6-11 -> 0.6.12) 12:27 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: sparc-kly[u5], jsaw, valentin, SerWou, tilix, _Ragnar__, nzg, jeru, mtr_, _Lewellyn, (+1 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 12:34 -!- rxr [~rene@85.178.186.82] has joined #t2 12:34 -!- ServerMode/#t2 [+n] by kornbluth.freenode.net 12:34 [Users #t2] 12:34 [ rxr] 12:34 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 1 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 1 normal] 12:34 -!- Channel #t2 created Mon Jun 6 12:34:06 2005 12:34 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 6 secs 12:35 !kornbluth.freenode.net *** Notice -- TS for #t2 changed from 1118054046 to 1091992533 12:35 -!- CIA-7 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 12:35 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.93] has joined #t2 12:35 -!- valentin [~valentin@port-212-202-41-157.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #t2 12:35 -!- _Ragnar_ [loki@216.250.77.230] has joined #t2 12:35 -!- tilix [~ilia@pppoe44.bol.bg] has joined #t2 12:35 -!- jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 12:35 -!- nzg [~tschmidt@xchangecenter.de] has joined #t2 12:35 -!- mtr_ [~Michael@p54AF8CE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 12:35 -!- SerWou [~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 12:35 -!- sparc-kly[u5] [~mubex@66-50-123-218.prtc.net] has joined #t2 12:35 -!- jsaw [~jsaw@volans.mpimf-heidelberg.mpg.de] has joined #t2 12:35 -!- irc.freenode.net changed the topic of #t2 to: T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 12:35 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 12:38 -!- Netsplit kornbluth.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: sparc-kly[u5], valentin, jsaw, tilix, SerWou, _Ragnar_, CIA-7, nzg, jeru, mtr_, (+1 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 12:39 -!- _Lewellyn [ling@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #t2 12:39 -!- Netsplit over, joins: CIA-7, mnemoc, valentin, _Ragnar_, tilix, jeru, nzg, mtr_, SerWou, sparc-kly[u5] (+1 more) 13:01 < valentin> re 13:04 < rxr> hi valentin 13:13 < jeru> hi valentin 13:14 < valentin> hi jeru 13:30 < CIA-7> chris * r9436 /trunk/package/security/vserver/vserver.desc: * updated vserver patch for linux26 kernels (2.6.11.10-vs2.0-rc2 -> 2.6.11.11-vs2.0-rc3) 13:38 < CIA-7> chris * r9437 /trunk/package/develop/bglibs/bglibs.desc: * updated bglibs (1.019 -> 1.020) 13:59 < CIA-7> chris * r9438 /trunk/package/python/pil/ (freetype2-fix.patch pil.conf pil.desc): 13:59 < CIA-7> * updated pil (1.1.4 -> 1.1.5) 13:59 < CIA-7> * deleted freetype2-fix.patch (not needed anymore) 13:59 < CIA-7> * deleted pil.conf (not needed anymore because the build procedure was changed) 14:02 < CIA-7> lars * r9439 /trunk/package/develop/swi-prolog/swi-prolog.desc: 14:02 < CIA-7> * Updated swi-prolog (5.4.6 --> 5.4.7). 14:02 < CIA-7> * Readded me as maintainer. 14:09 < rxr> mnemoc: why the h*ll did you change Lars to the T2 Project - valentin and I told you that he is Lars Kuhtz ... ! 14:10 < jeru> rxr: don't bash our mnemoc that hard ;) 14:19 < CIA-7> lars * r9440 /branches/2.1/package/develop/swi-prolog/swi-prolog.desc: 14:19 < CIA-7> * merged from trunk (rev. 9439): Updated swi-prolog 14:19 < CIA-7> (5.4.6 --> 5.4.7). 14:19 < CIA-7> Readded me as maintainer. 14:22 < CIA-7> lars * r9441 /trunk/package/develop/swi-prolog/swi-prolog.desc: * swi-prolog: updated email of author. 14:25 < valentin> poor lars 14:26 < CIA-7> lars * r9442 /branches/2.1/package/develop/swi-prolog/swi-prolog.desc: 14:26 < CIA-7> * merged from trunk (rev. 9441): updated email of author of 14:26 < CIA-7> swi-prolog 14:44 < rxr> jeru: I also perform a few updates now ... 14:49 < jeru> rxr: yes ... me too I'll update cvm 14:51 < mnemoc> re 14:51 < rxr> jeru: I have quite a bunch pending now ... 14:51 < rxr> libxml asc tla tea rxvt alliance ++ 14:51 < rxr> moin mnemoc 14:51 < jeru> hi mnemoc 14:52 < mnemoc> rxr: you told me to use Kuhtz@ec not lars 14:52 < rxr> but you sed it to t2@t2-project.org 14:52 < mnemoc> .oO 14:53 < mnemoc> -> 'Lars Kuhtz ' ... 1. 14:54 < jeru> mnemoc: I'll update cvm, but the install procedure has changed a bit. where do we want to have cvm includes and libs? /usr/cvm/include like we used in bglibs? 14:55 < mnemoc> where does author want? 14:55 < jeru> /usr/local/blah 14:56 < CIA-7> rene * r9444 /trunk/package/x11/rxvt/rxvt.desc: * updated rxvt (2.7.9 -> 2.7.10) 14:56 < CIA-7> rene * r9443 /trunk/package/textproc/libxml/libxml.desc: * updated libxml (2.6.18 -> 2.6.19) 14:57 < mnemoc> jeru: /usr/{include,lib} ? does cvm deserve it's own hierarchy? what do we have currently? 14:58 < jeru> mnemoc: I haven't installed cvm on t2 yet, but I think we can use /usr/{include,lib} 14:59 < mnemoc> rxr: swi-prolog didn't belong to yours lars 14:59 < mnemoc> [A] Jan Wielemaker 14:59 < mnemoc> -[M] Lars Siggelkow 14:59 < mnemoc> [M] The T2 Project 14:59 < mnemoc> +[M] The T2 Project 15:00 < mnemoc> jeru: cvm: usr/include/cvm-sasl.h 15:00 < mnemoc> jeru: cvm: usr/lib/libcvm-module.a 15:00 < mnemoc> jeru: it's a normal prefix=usr package 15:01 < CIA-7> rene * r9445 /trunk/package/develop/tla/tla.desc: * updated tla (1.3.1-fix-1 -> 1.3.3) 15:01 < jeru> mnemoc: ok ... we'll use it ;) 15:03 < rxr> mnemoc: it is the same Lars ... 15:05 < CIA-7> rene * r9446 /trunk/package/contrib/djvulibre/djvulibre.desc: * kuhtz@exactcode.de -> lars@exactcode.de 15:06 < mnemoc> uhm 15:06 < rxr> mnemoc: ? 15:06 < rxr> we seem to had some misunderstanding there ... 15:06 < mnemoc> i have _logs_ telling me the oposite 15:07 < mnemoc> 13:12:07 kuhtz@ec.de? 15:07 < mnemoc> 13:12:11 yes 15:08 < rxr> mnemoc: the magic of out of async irc 15:08 < rxr> I even wrote the address above .. 15:08 < rxr> 19:11 < rxr> lars is Lars Kuhtz 15:08 < rxr> what else should I do ... ? 15:09 < mnemoc> keep reading 15:09 < mnemoc> 13:11:34 he is Kuthz now 15:09 < mnemoc> 13:11:47 ok 15:09 < mnemoc> 13:11:56 kuhtz even 15:09 < mnemoc> 13:12:07 kuhtz@ec.de? 15:09 < mnemoc> 13:12:11 yes 15:09 < rxr> mnemoc: I can not stop valentin from intermixing junk 15:09 < rxr> I just read the log ... 15:10 < rxr> the yes wsa to he is Kuthz now - not your kuhtz@ec.de 15:10 < rxr> sorry that I did not scream up - I tought my former line would be authorative ... 15:10 < rxr> however noone is going to die for this change - so relax ,-) 15:10 < mnemoc> :) 15:10 < CIA-7> rene * r9447 /trunk/package/editors/tea/tea.desc: * updated tea (9.0 -> 10.0) 15:11 < rxr> this update mails are cool - just that I need to fix my cron invocatoin - for some reason it does not work out ... 15:11 < CIA-7> chris * r9448 /trunk/package/security/cvm/ (cvm.conf cvm.desc): * updated cvm (0.31 -> 0.71) 15:12 < jeru> rxr: ack ... the update mails are very hepful ;) 15:12 < jeru> helpful 15:13 < rxr> razor and mailscanner as well as crm14 updates do not build - in the case someone does use those ... 15:14 < CIA-7> rene * r9449 /trunk/package/x11/linuxwacom/linuxwacom.desc: * updated linuxwacom (0.6.7 -> 0.6.8) 15:15 < CIA-7> rene * r9450 /trunk/package/ (4 files in 2 dirs): * moved contrib/djvulibre -> graphic 15:15 < rxr> updatd asc does fail, too 15:15 < rxr> oh - but this seems to be a local problem ... 15:16 < rxr> libtool: link: cannot find the library `/opt/kde33/lib/libartsc.la' 15:16 < CIA-7> rene * r9451 /trunk/package/games/asc/asc.desc: * updated asc (1.15.2.1 -> 1.15.3.0) 15:19 < mnemoc> rxr: talking about razor, mailscanner and crm14 updates failing to build, can you ask lars to not commit updates to 2.1? please 15:20 < mnemoc> rxr: only if he is very^3 sure the update works and breaks nothing 15:20 < rxr> you mean his 2 or 3 commits this year ? 15:20 < mnemoc> * Updated swi-prolog (5.4.6 --> 5.4.7). 15:20 < mnemoc> :p 15:21 < mnemoc> or just the very^3 sure part 15:21 < rxr> maybe you write some 2.1 is in this and that frozen state - please do not commit directly into it mail to the list and CC it to lars ? 15:21 < mnemoc> [M] doesn't affect builds :) 15:22 < mnemoc> an update can 15:22 < mnemoc> why strcmp("Siggelkow","Kuhtz")==0 ? 15:23 < jsaw> re 15:23 < rxr> .o(is it possible to inject wariable into [M] in a way to evaluate and break the build) 15:23 < mnemoc> hi jsaw 15:23 < rxr> hi jsaw 15:23 < jsaw> mnemoc: gnomesword is broken with current gnome, so... 15:23 < rxr> mnemoc: he married and took the family name of his wife 15:23 < jsaw> hi mnemoc , rxr 15:23 < mnemoc> jsaw: gnomesword needs libgtkhtml-3.0 15:23 < mnemoc> jsaw: which have never been released 15:24 < jsaw> ? 15:24 < mnemoc> jsaw: cvs-only 15:24 < jsaw> oh, ic 15:24 < mnemoc> jsaw: we need to add the package to make gnomesword build 15:24 < jsaw> well, anyway... remove gnomesword. 15:24 < jsaw> once there's a new version available, I could add it again... 15:24 < mnemoc> jsaw: ok 15:25 < mnemoc> jsaw: i'll move it to attic in that case 15:25 < jsaw> okay 15:25 < rxr> mnemoc: why not rm? 15:25 < rxr> we anyone who want to resurrect it can revert the delete ... 15:25 < jsaw> btw, not only thesis and family... we're moving (only 400m) but still...even more work :| 15:26 < mnemoc> rxr: you are the core master... you choose 15:26 < mnemoc> rxr: i though attic was a better place for resurrectable stuff 15:26 < rxr> jeru: why mo'ng ? 15:27 < rxr> mnemoc: well - with a attic, we would have an higher ls */*/*/.desc | wc -l package count and google hits due to .html pages ... 15:27 < mnemoc> rxr: is that a pro or a contra? 15:27 < jsaw> btw, I told you already I was playing with lua. I just tested how long it takes to read all .desc files... once the directory tree is in cache, less than 2secs 15:28 < rxr> jeru: ,-) 15:28 < rxr> jsaw: ,-) even ... 15:28 < jsaw> rxr: did you test live-cd on a SATA machine? I tried, but couldn't find cdrom. 15:29 < rxr> jsaw: hm - which release of the live cd sss 15:29 < jsaw> rxr: impressive speed if you ask me... 15:29 < jsaw> beta3 15:29 < mnemoc> jsaw: from 1 to 10, how good is lua for replacing stone and mine? 15:29 < rxr> only the latest live cds includes SATA suport ... 15:29 < rxr> jsaw: hm - that should include SATA ... 15:29 < rxr> I think noone so far tested SATA CD-ROM support ... .-( 15:30 < jsaw> ic. I'll try to find the reason. 15:30 < rxr> jsaw: does the cd appear on the kernel boot printout stuff ? 15:31 < jsaw> rxr: the kernel boots 15:31 < jsaw> rxr: and starts a shell due to missing livecd 15:32 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-207-250.prtc.net] has joined #t2 15:33 < rxr> jsaw: does it print out anything about SATA devices on the bus? 15:33 < rxr> jsaw: btw. you have not yet written why you move, have you ? 15:34 < jsaw> mnemoc: lua is very small and efficient. In this sense, 10. But a few modules would be missing (while tar support is working, a ncurses module would have to written...) therefore, real score is sth. like 8 15:34 < jsaw> rxr: oh, simply because we found a bigger flat for less bucks... :) 15:35 < jsaw> one room more -> I HAVE MY OWN EDGE AGAIN!!! 15:35 < jsaw> :) 15:36 < rxr> jsaw: maybe post any lua code or comments even if heavily WIP to the lsit - so others - e.g. this other LUA supporter - see progress and have s.th. to play ,-) 15:36 < rxr> jsaw: cool 15:38 < jsaw> rxr: okay. 15:38 < rxr> "A mouse is a device used to point at 15:38 < rxr> the xterm you want to type in." 15:38 < rxr> ^- haha 15:38 < jsaw> ts 15:38 < mnemoc> jsaw: no more work at kitchen? 15:39 < mnemoc> rxr: where did you get that definition? 15:39 < jsaw> oh, plenty --- but building the kitchen not working in it anymore :) 15:39 < jeru> hi jsaw 15:39 < jsaw> hi jeru 15:40 < mnemoc> jsaw: :D 15:40 < jsaw> my desk was the first piece I put into the new flat .... 15:41 < jsaw> so only internet conn missing 15:41 < jsaw> btw, rxr, any experience with internet via "Kabel" (i mean TV cable)? 15:41 < CIA-7> rene * r9454 /trunk/package/scientific/alliance/ (alliance.desc gcc34.patch): * updated alliance (5.0-20040928 -> 5.0-20050217) 15:41 < CIA-7> rene * r9453 /trunk/package/filesystem/sysfsutils/sysfsutils.desc: * updated sysfsutils (1.2.0 -> 1.3.0) 15:41 < CIA-7> rene * r9452 /trunk/package/games/supertux/supertux.cache: * added supertux.cache 15:42 < rxr> jsaw: nope - but I did not hear s.th. nagative - only heared works ok from people ... 15:43 < mnemoc> here, TV cable/internet bandwidth is shared between 10 blocks :\ 15:43 < jsaw> It's upgradable to 10Mbit currently (only that a flat rate is extremely expensive then) 15:43 < jsaw> mnemoc: ohoh 15:44 < mnemoc> you have a maximal, but nothing warrantied 15:45 < jsaw> probably same here 15:46 < rxr> if the promissed bandwidth / price is ok, why not ... ? 15:46 < rxr> so far I heared no complaints so I guess the providers are mostly delivering what they promisse ... 15:47 < valentin> hi jsaw 15:48 < mnemoc> at home i share via wifi a 64kbps TV Cable connection :p 15:48 < jsaw> hi valentin 15:48 < mnemoc> hi valentin 15:48 < jeru> jsaw: a friend living in Stuttgart has no technical problems with internet via cable, but afaik it's more expensive than DSL 15:49 < mnemoc> jeru: excluding the 'tv cable' fee? 15:49 < rxr> jsaw: interessted in PowerPC machines 15:49 < valentin> r9500 today ? 15:49 < rxr> I just got a mail in my inbox that we could get 2 IBM boxes - just with 1xx Mhz ... 15:49 < rxr> jsaw: to be collected in Franfurt a. Main 15:49 < rxr> IBM RS/6000 43P/140MHz 15:50 < jeru> jsaw: I don't know ... but I think 256/64 for about 23 Euro isn't a good prize 15:50 < jsaw> rxr: free I guess 15:50 < rxr> yes - just need to be collected as far as I can see ,-) 15:50 < rxr> and getting linux booted might be tricky 15:51 < jsaw> jeru: 1000/128 for 29.90Euro 15:51 < rxr> however I think that it should be duable ... 15:51 < jsaw> When do these machines have to be collected? 15:51 < jeru> jsaw: that sounds ok :) 15:52 < rxr> jsaw: frankfurt am main 15:52 < jsaw> jeru: up to 10000/1280 for 120EUR 15:52 < rxr> hm - I looked at the google image pictures ... 15:52 < rxr> I have such a box here ... - and it already runs (ROCK) Linux ... 15:53 < jsaw> rxr: _when_, not where. Can this wait a month until I pick em up? 15:53 < rxr> jsaw: I doubt it is urgent ,-) 15:53 < rxr> we spoke to them at the last linux world expo and they mailed me now - does not look particularly fast ... 15:53 < rxr> some local unix group or so - they want to get rid of those since they failed to get linux on them ... 15:54 < jsaw> jeru: I just checked. Actually cable is not available in that street... telekom only cables there... damn 15:54 < jsaw> rxr: hehe 15:54 < jsaw> brb, coffee 15:57 < rxr> > I was using gcc 2.9 (host - i386-pc-cygwin, target 15:57 < rxr> > sparclet-aout). Recently I have started using gcc 3.2 15:57 < rxr> ^- in what stone age some people live ... 16:05 < jsaw> ? 16:05 < rxr> 2.9 in use until recently - uhm ... 16:06 < rxr> and then reviewing 3.2 as update candidate ... 16:11 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.44] has joined #t2 16:14 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.10.26] has joined #t2 16:14 < keinek> hi 16:14 < keinek> morning :) 16:20 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.93] has quit [Client Quit] 16:23 < CIA-7> rene * r9455 /trunk/source/UpdateList.cc: 16:23 < CIA-7> * added tweak to the version class to not compare numbers if the 16:23 < CIA-7> difference is more than 100 This effectivly does prevent date 16:23 < CIA-7> versioned files to be considered an update (eg 2004-12-24 vs. 3.4.5). 16:27 < rxr> so - know I only have to invent and patent s.th. to filter out this sparc, whater addons some people add to the version to filter them out, too ,-) 16:27 < rxr> ah - and of course the top-level dir traversing - with those two additions one day the checker would be perfect I think 16:30 < valentin> now we only need the automated regression testerr 16:30 < rxr> yep - auto patch, test and commit on success ,-) 16:30 < valentin> you mean auto - unpatch all .patch files that do not apply anymore and report 16:31 -!- jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:31 -!- jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 16:31 < rxr> valentin: ack - auto patch is fully merged upstream detect(tm) 16:31 < rxr> (patent pending= 16:31 < rxr> ) 16:32 < jeru> hmm ... my box disappeared. at least the keyboard wasn't working anymore :/ 16:33 < CIA-7> rene * r9456 /trunk/package/base/pidentd/pidentd.desc: * updated pidentd (3.0.14 -> 3.0.18) 16:33 < rxr> jsaw: do you use identd ? 16:33 < jsaw> mmm 16:34 < jsaw> no 16:34 < rxr> it is considered a security feature - and I move it into security (currently in base ...) ok ? 16:34 < rxr> or rather network ? 16:34 < rxr> (at least not base ... 16:34 < jsaw> after reading the man, i'd opt for security/ 16:36 < CIA-7> rene * r9457 /trunk/package/ (8 files in 2 dirs): * moved base/pidentd -> security/ 16:58 < CIA-7> rene * r9458 /trunk/package/security/pidentd/pidentd.conf: 16:58 < CIA-7> * removed pidentd.conf - I assume the x86-64 thing is fixed upstream, 16:58 < CIA-7> now (if not revert ,-) and removed the --disable-des, since debian 16:58 < CIA-7> ships it and it builds ... 17:01 < CIA-7> rene * r9459 /trunk/package/network/netkit-base/inetd.conf: 17:01 < CIA-7> * removed the -t120 from the ident.d invocation in inetd.conf - it is 17:01 < CIA-7> the default and thus overspecified, e.g. overwriting the sane default 17:01 < CIA-7> if it changes for valid reasons 17:04 < jeru> bye ... cu later 17:04 -!- jeru [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:05 -!- herve [~hcauwelie@mut38-4-82-233-119-142.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 17:05 < herve> hi 17:05 < herve> jeru left? 17:11 -!- rxr_ [rene@e178188070.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 17:11 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-beta4 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 17:11 -!- Topic set by menomc [] [Sat Apr 16 00:33:34 2005] 17:11 [Users #t2] 17:11 [ _Lewellyn] [ herve ] [ mnemoc_] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly ] [ valentin] 17:11 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw ] [ mtr_ ] [ rxr_ ] [ sparc-kly[u5]] 17:11 [ CIA-7 ] [ keinek] [ nzg ] [ SerWou] [ tilix ] 17:11 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 17:11 < jsaw> cu later 17:11 -!- [freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 17:11 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 17:12 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs 17:13 < valentin> herve: dunno 17:14 < herve> ok thanks 17:14 < herve> I'll check later 17:14 < herve> bye 17:14 -!- herve [~hcauwelie@mut38-4-82-233-119-142.fbx.proxad.net] has left #t2 ["Leaving"] 17:17 -!- rxr [~rene@85.178.186.82] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:19 < rxr_> valentin: I have three jazz style and drifting classic whatever CDs from my neighboor here - I guess you will like them - I hope you have some free disk space for an ogg conversion ,-) 17:19 -!- You're now known as rxr 17:20 < valentin> rxr: this is against the copylaw .. 17:21 < rxr> my understanding was that personal copies are still allowed ... ? 17:21 < rxr> just not annonymous sniffing on some network - e.g. 17:34 < rxr> so - this identd fixing should reduce my syslog amount by several MB per day ... 17:34 < rxr> why was this broken since I remeber in ROCK ? ... 17:42 -!- tilix [~ilia@pppoe44.bol.bg] has left #t2 ["Konversation terminated!"] 17:43 < CIA-7> rene * r9460 /trunk/package/security/pidentd/ (identd.conf pidentd.conf): * added in.identd symlink and default config file to identd ... 17:52 < rxr> why is the ICC 9.0 reviewers download that huge ... 201MB ... 17:59 < valentin> what language support does it have ? 18:00 < rxr> C++ (C) and fortran I think 18:30 -!- mtr [~Michael@p54AF8604.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 18:44 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFD741.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 18:44 < jeru> re hi 18:45 < valentin> jeru there was some guy searching you 18:45 < jeru> who ? 18:46 < valentin> a guy named herve 18:48 < valentin> i just droped some T2 notes here : http://www.livecdlist.com/wiki/index.php/T2_%40Live 18:50 < jeru> valentin: ah ic, herve is a CMS developer from france . I talked to him, and it seems that he'll help me with some issues ... but thanks for the note ;) 18:50 < CIA-7> mtr * r9461 /trunk/package/audio/ (alsa-driver/alsa-driver.desc alsa-utils/alsa-utils.desc): 18:50 < CIA-7> * updated alsa-driver (1.0.9 -> 1.0.9a) 18:50 < CIA-7> helps linux24 ... 18:50 < CIA-7> * updated alsa-utils (1.0.9 -> 1.0.9a) 18:52 -!- mtr_ [~Michael@p54AF8CE1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:54 < mnemoc_> re 18:54 < valentin> hi mnemoc_ 18:54 < jeru> hi mnemoc_ :) 18:55 < mnemoc_> hi valentin, jeru 18:55 < mnemoc_> i'll merge a few things and tag rc1 if noone objects 18:56 < rxr> of cours not - master stable ,-) 18:56 < rxr> mnemoc_: have you watched the progress meter recenty?: http://svn.exactcode.de/ 18:56 < mnemoc_> rxr: if you have a minute can you take a look into balsa (gcc34?) build problem? 18:56 < mnemoc_> *click* 18:57 < rxr> .oO 18:57 < rxr> ok 18:57 < mnemoc_> mu=22? 18:57 < rxr> mu ? 18:57 < mnemoc_> mean 18:57 < valentin> mu like nu ? 18:58 < valentin> but sigma is quite big 18:58 < mnemoc_> the second greek char you have on your keyboard 18:58 * rxr confused ... 18:58 < rxr> valentin: do you plan to show up here, today? 18:58 < valentin> i have no greek letters on my keyboard 18:58 < mnemoc_> rxr: you have a beta and a 'mu' afaik 18:58 < valentin> rxr: i plan to leave soon 18:59 < valentin> i have apple 18:59 < mnemoc_> \mu on TeX 18:59 < rxr> I have beta - mu - ? 18:59 < rxr> you lost me ... 18:59 < mnemoc_> \beta=ss ? 18:59 < valentin> he just stated that svn's mu is 22 18:59 < mnemoc_> anyway, the middle of a gauss thing 19:00 < mnemoc_> do you use \nu for the middle of the gauss thing? 19:01 < valentin> no 19:01 < valentin> i just wanted to know if you were talking in greek letters 19:02 < mnemoc_> :) 19:03 < mnemoc_> btw, the only gr keyboard i have seen had ä,ë,ï,ö,ü,\beta and \mu 19:04 < valentin> ï, too ? 19:05 < mnemoc_> not sure 19:05 < mnemoc_> some \" chars :) 19:06 < valentin> rxr: i think i'll leave now 19:07 < CIA-7> rene * r9462 /trunk/package/filesystem/autofs/autofs.desc: * updated autofs (4.0.0pre10 -> 4.1.4) 19:07 < rxr> ok - cu then 19:07 < rxr> mnemoc_: you could update autofs to autofs-4.0.0-1 in stable 19:08 < rxr> if you want me to do I could, too 19:08 < mnemoc_> rxr: after rc1 :) 19:08 < rxr> then it is forgotten ... ,-) 19:08 < mnemoc_> i'll merge and tag in some minutes 19:09 < mnemoc_> then, i hope to not forget 19:09 < rxr> mnemoc_: if you like I can keep generating announcements, fill freshmeat and feed the other PR drains - I'm used to that ... 19:10 < mnemoc_> sure, you are good writing :) 19:10 < mnemoc_> but we need ISOs 19:10 < rxr> ouhm - ic 19:10 < rxr> do I have to generate them ... ? 19:11 < rxr> .o(need a quad dual core opteron box ...) 19:11 < mnemoc_> i have P4 here 19:11 < rxr> mnemoc_: our samba is built with ldap enabled - however all my tries to disable it failed 19:11 < mnemoc_> i can genetare 586 and P4 isos 19:12 < mnemoc_> rxr: ldap enalbed if ldap installed 19:12 < rxr> I get endless timeout for ldap server craap in my log and windows is haning ... 19:12 < rxr> (in that time) 19:12 < rxr> mnemoc_: sure - no problem - I just wanted to ask if you know how to disable it at runtime in the smb.conf ... 19:12 < mnemoc_> uhm 19:12 < mnemoc_> changing the backend to something != ldap 19:12 < rxr> I googled this morning - and found only stuff that did not work (for me)(tm) 19:13 * rxr preparing tea 19:13 < rxr> mnemoc_: we do not need infinite isos - only a pentium-mmx should be enough 19:13 < rxr> we only get less tested ISOs and way too high inter mirror and initial upload traffic ... 19:13 < mnemoc_> ok, i'll create minimal, minimal-desktop and desktop for pentium-mmx 19:13 < rxr> what target would you like to build ? 19:14 < mnemoc_> you have amd, sparc and ppc :p 19:14 < mnemoc_> i guess minimal or minimal-desktop is fine for those 19:15 < rxr> hm - maybe only minimal and desktop - I really think we should not provide too many official ISOs 19:15 < rxr> well - if I think about it - it would really cool if you would push out the official x86 ISOs - that would leve the time on my side for the first time to focus on this "non-mainstream" architectures 19:16 < rxr> however getting a bootable sparc iso will be tricky ... 19:16 < rxr> since sparc64 is not yet really stable and with sparc we have no 64bit kernel for all the "modern" boxes 19:16 < mnemoc_> oh 19:16 < mnemoc_> sad 19:17 < rxr> well - I think without a bigger community pure sparc64 will never get useful - since X and some other stuff do not function properly in 64bit sparc userapce 19:17 < rxr> T2 is the only distribution that ever managed to build as much as we currently can ... 19:17 < rxr> (X build - just does not start ... - but 64bit X apps work ,-) 19:18 < rxr> maybe I should change the sparc64 target to build all the basic stuff - but build the whole remaining system in 32bit mode 19:18 < mnemoc_> sure, we help to make possible stuff, easy 19:19 < rxr> that would give us the cross compiler for the 64bit kernel - and stable user-space (and the high 32bit performance - since 64bit userspace is only cool for databases and video editing where 64 bit memory range is important - but hurs everything else in speed) 19:19 < mnemoc_> is minimal-sparc ISO doable? 19:19 < rxr> well sparc(32) is uninteresing - too slow hardware 19:20 < rxr> so the only thing that makes sense is when I tweak the sparc64 to have a "32bit userspace" knob 19:20 < rxr> that would work 19:20 < mnemoc_> too slow hardware even for a minimal iso? 19:20 < rxr> so far I always clone the kernel from some running box and emerge the 32bit userspace - and only run 64bit crunching in the hope I some time fix all the bugs ... 19:21 < rxr> mnemoc_: there is nearly nothing out that runs with the 32bit kernel 19:21 < rxr> only the pre Pentium speed old SPARC boxes 19:21 < rxr> and for those (I have one 40Mhz one - and one even slower where the NVRAM battery is dead and thus does not boot) I have not managed to get SILO boot from CD ... 19:22 < mnemoc_> ic 19:22 < rxr> but this pure 32bit (32bit kernel) SPARCs are really not that interesting at all ,-) 19:22 < rxr> what matters are the 64bit since 199x boxes - that are slow enough 19:22 < mnemoc_> :) 19:22 < rxr> but I really come to the conclusion a multi-lib 32bit userspace config option would do wonders for now ,- 19:22 < rxr> ) 19:23 < rxr> I power my faster sparc up and start a build with such an ne code drop ,-) 19:24 < rxr> (fastest is 360Mhz ...) 19:24 < mnemoc_> :) 19:25 < rxr> and if it would not have 256MB of RAM it would swap to death on compile ... 19:26 < CIA-7> amery * r9463 /branches/2.1/scripts/Download: * merged 9199 from trunk: * implemented .Z recompression, since the bz2filename funciton already translates .Z to bz2 and dcc failed due to the bz2 not present ... 19:26 < rxr> mnemoc_: but just tag -rc as planned - we could have those changes with the ISO for -rc2 19:27 < mnemoc_> rxr: sure 19:27 < rxr> this also means more PR due to news ... 19:27 < mnemoc_> yep :) 19:27 < rxr> -rc2 dedicated to the SPARC world ... 19:27 < mnemoc_> but i would like to have 2.1.0 before livecd publication 19:27 < rxr> ehrm - in the magazine ? 19:27 < mnemoc_> and other fixes :) 19:28 < rxr> well - that you need to hurry ... 19:28 < mnemoc_> when is it? 19:28 < rxr> oehm 1 week ++ ? 19:28 < mnemoc_> outch 19:28 < rxr> maybe 2 ... 19:28 < mnemoc_> we need a website! 19:29 -!- veki [~veki@bunuel-cpe-50.nat-pool.bgd.sbb.co.yu] has joined #t2 19:31 < mnemoc_> hi veki 19:31 < CIA-7> amery * r9464 /branches/2.1/scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch: 19:31 < CIA-7> * merged 9264 from trunk: reworked scripts/Create-PkgUpdPatch to primarily accept input in the form pkg ver - and only pkg-ver as fallback 19:31 < CIA-7> * merged 9264 from trunk: removed mulitple updates at-a-time support 19:31 < veki> hi mnemoc 19:32 < rxr> so - prepared a black tea for valentin - so he is happy when he arrives ... ,-) 19:32 < CIA-7> amery * r9465 /branches/2.1/scripts/functions: * merged 9396 from trunk: added D_ver to the substitutes of rock_substitute 19:32 < mnemoc_> he likes black? 19:32 < rxr> yep - or green 19:32 < rxr> and I guess especially today without sleep last night if I interpreted his saying and the log correctly 19:33 < CIA-7> amery * r9466 /branches/2.1/misc/archive/Update.sh: 19:33 < CIA-7> * merged 9265 from trunk: changed misc/archive/Update.sh to not use the now deprecated, '-' 19:33 < CIA-7> seperated way to pass package and version to Create-PkgUpdPatch 19:33 < mnemoc_> did he got netconf wokring? 19:33 < rxr> I think he is finally mostly finished .. 19:34 < rxr> I have not taken a look into netconf - I'll see soon 19:34 < CIA-7> amery * r9467 /branches/2.1/scripts/Check-PkgFormat: * merged 9397 from trunk: removed unneeded newline escaping for readability of Check-PkgFormat 19:36 < CIA-7> amery * r9468 /branches/2.1/scripts/Build-Target: * merged 9379,9382 from trunk: improved binary tarball creation to package var/adm before the rest 19:37 < rxr> the graph will explode ,-) 19:38 < mnemoc_> nah 19:38 < mnemoc_> stable atoms are bigger than trunk atoms :) 19:43 < rxr> hm - drafting the sparc changes I notice I'll get a conflict with the fl_wrapper 19:43 < rxr> or better we have one in general 19:43 < rxr> on multilib systems we have both glibc and glibc32 ... 19:44 < rxr> when I utilize glibc32 with this new config know for sparc the flwrapper will not work - but crash I think ... 19:44 < CIA-7> amery * r9469 /branches/2.1/scripts/Build-Pkg: 19:44 < CIA-7> * merged 9214 from trunk: merge olist, so they do not accumulate 19:44 < CIA-7> * merged 9303,9317,9323 from trunk: closed a build system hole: It was possible to inject files beside the allowed top level directories where the files would have been silently ignore before. 19:44 < CIA-7> * merged 9303 from trunk: removed stray error hiding empty if ; then : ;fi statements around flist processing Whether we want to hide errors with a more obvious || true later on has to be seen 19:44 < rxr> (when one tries to LD_PRELOAD a 64bit library on 64bit systems ... 19:45 < rxr> [*] Default to 32bit for the user-space applications 19:45 < rxr> ^- new knob 19:46 < rxr> ouhm: 19:46 < rxr> # gcc -m32 -m64 misc/archive/hello.c 19:46 < rxr> gcc: may not use both -m32 and -m64 19:46 < rxr> at least I'll see when mistakenly both are injected due to wrappers ... 19:47 < rxr> hm - this changes are heavier than I first imagined .... 19:49 < CIA-7> amery * r9470 /branches/2.1/package/multimedia/libquicktime/ (. libquicktime.desc libquicktime.desc): * merged 9349 from trunk: added libquicktime (0.9.7) 19:51 -!- veki [~veki@bunuel-cpe-50.nat-pool.bgd.sbb.co.yu] has left #t2 ["Leaving"] 19:52 < CIA-7> amery * r9471 /trunk/package/multimedia/nvrec/ (gcc34.patch nvrec.desc): 19:52 < CIA-7> * updated nvrec (20030316 -> 20041227) 19:52 < CIA-7> * fixed nvrec to build with gcc34 19:53 < CIA-7> amery * r9472 /trunk/package/multimedia/nvrec/nvrec.conf: 19:53 < CIA-7> * cleaned nvrec.conf 19:53 < CIA-7> * changed nvrec to disable libquicktime support if not installed 19:53 < CIA-7> * changed nvrec to disable divx4linux and avifile because their 'current' APIs are not supported 19:55 < rxr> mnemoc_: attention!!! 19:55 * mnemoc_ frozen 19:55 < rxr> mnemoc_: I would never disable another package 19:56 < rxr> better select the other package when nvrec is enabled 19:56 < rxr> otherwise you might annoy someone who wants to enable it 19:56 < mnemoc_> i disabled it's support 19:56 < mnemoc_> not the packages 19:56 < rxr> ah - tought the package 19:56 < rxr> all fine ,-) 19:56 < mnemoc_> :D 19:56 < mnemoc_> --disable-crap 19:57 < rxr> crap ? 19:57 < rxr> literally ? 19:57 < mnemoc_> nah 19:57 < rxr> lol 19:57 < rxr> pl 19:57 < rxr> ok even 19:57 < mnemoc_> --disable-divx4linux 19:58 < rxr> gtk-sharp failed on my devel workstation 19:58 < rxr> needed for balsa depends for fixing ... 19:58 < rxr> == 17:57:42 =[9]=> Building network/nload [0.6.0 2.2.0-alpha]. 19:58 < rxr> -> Compiling package for 32bit ... 19:58 < rxr> let's see ,-) 19:58 < mnemoc_> gtk-sharp has becoming more and more desired 19:59 < rxr> ** ERROR **: file domain.c: line 617 (mono_init_internal): assertion failed: (mo 19:59 < rxr> no_defaults.runtimesecurityframe_class != 0) 19:59 < rxr> aborting... 19:59 < rxr> make[2]: *** [gapi_codegen.exe] Aborted (core dumped) 20:00 < CIA-7> amery * r9473 /branches/2.1/package/multimedia/nvrec/ (gcc34.patch nvrec.conf nvrec.desc): 20:00 < CIA-7> * merged 9471 from trunk: updated nvrec (20030316 -> 20041227) 20:00 < CIA-7> * merged 9472 from trunk: disabled nvrec/{divx4linux,avifile} support because nvrec doesn't suppor their new APIs yet 20:00 < rxr> !> checking for sparc-t2-linux-gnu-g++... g++ 20:00 < rxr> !> checking for C++ compiler default output file name... co .. 20:00 < rxr> nload checks for a C++ compiler ... ? 20:01 < mnemoc_> recicled configure.in? :) 20:01 < rxr> oh - it is even linked against libstdc++ 20:01 < rxr> then it might indeed need it ,-) 20:01 * rxr testing with another package ... 20:02 < rxr> oh - damn 20:02 < rxr> I have no glibc32 ... 20:02 < mnemoc_> pff 20:02 < rxr> and I just Cleanup -full a build/... that had it for sparc ... 20:02 < rxr> then this test has to wait some hours ... - about 3 or so ... 20:03 < rxr> hm - well - but then I would not have a 32bit libstdc++ .... 20:03 < rxr> oh my ... 20:03 < rxr> well - I wanted to test with s.th. not nload anywy ,-) 20:24 < rxr> Apple: Apple Switching to Intel 20:24 < CIA-7> amery * r9474 /branches/2.1/package/contrib/djvulibre/djvulibre.desc: * merged 9446 from trunk: kuhtz@exactcode.de -> lars@exactcode.de 20:24 < rxr> http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/05/06/06/1752234.shtml 20:25 < mnemoc_> uhm? 20:25 < mnemoc_> ppc died? 20:26 < rxr> nope - just this crappy vendor "appears" to switch ... 20:26 < rxr> do I care? No. I jsut buy a big server ad IBM ... 20:28 < valentin> re 20:28 < jeru> wb valentin 20:30 < mnemoc_> rxr: does ppc has another 'vendors'? 20:35 < CIA-7> amery * r9475 /branches/2.1/package/ (8 files in 8 dirs): * merged 9410 from trunk: valentin@exactcode.de -> valentin@t2-project.org 20:35 < rxr> nzg: IBM and Motorola^W Freescale 20:35 < rxr> I can not agree to this move - I think it is mostly stupid 20:36 < rxr> but I have to work now first ... 20:38 < mnemoc_> what did nzg asked? :p 20:43 < CIA-7> amery * r9476 /branches/2.1/package/audio/alsa-driver/ (pkg_linux24_post.conf pkg_linux24benh_post.conf): * added missing copyright notes on packages/a* 20:46 < CIA-7> amery * r9477 /branches/2.1/package/ (117 files in 117 dirs): * merged 9411 from trunk: amery@geeks.cl -> amery@t2-project.org 20:47 < CIA-7> amery * r9478 /branches/2.1/package/base/ (7 files in 3 dirs): * * added missing copyright notes on packages/b* 20:48 < CIA-7> rene * r9479 /trunk/package/base/serpnp/ (. serpnp.c): * first serpnp.c to share it with valentin's development 20:48 < mnemoc_> a package without .desc? uhm.... 20:50 < valentin> this is not a package yet 20:50 < valentin> but it will be soon 20:50 < mnemoc_> :) 20:50 < mnemoc_> serpnp, interresting project 20:50 < rxr> mnemoc_: you mean because it will change the world due to the _large_ user base ? 20:52 < mnemoc_> there is a _large_ user base without USB, but not at germany :) 20:53 < rxr> ack 20:56 < CIA-7> amery * r9480 /branches/2.1/package/ (9 files in 6 dirs): * added missing copyright notes on packages/[cd]* 20:59 < CIA-7> amery * r9481 /branches/2.1/package/ (21 files in 12 dirs): * added missing copyright notes on packages/[efgh]* 21:02 < CIA-7> amery * r9482 /branches/2.1/package/ (12 files in 9 dirs): * added missing copyright notes on packages/[ijkl]* 21:06 < mnemoc_> bbl 21:06 < jeru> cu mnemoc_ :) 21:06 < CIA-7> amery * r9483 /branches/2.1/package/ (59 files in 23 dirs): * added missing or bad copyright notes on packages/[mno]* 21:12 < CIA-7> rene * r9484 /trunk/scripts/Emerge-Pkg: 21:12 < CIA-7> * the next Emerge enhancement: only print "Skipped due blacklist:" when 21:12 < CIA-7> the package in question really got an update (less noise on up-to-date 21:12 < CIA-7> systems ...) 21:47 < jeru> already build an embedded target, no regressions so far :) 21:52 < sparc-kly> http://osnews.com/comment.php?news_id=10765 21:53 -!- veki_ [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 21:54 -!- veki_ [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has left #t2 [] 22:03 < CIA-7> chris * r9485 /trunk/package/security/ebtables/ebtables.conf: * added makeinstopt for ETHERTYPESPATH to not install /etc/ethertypes outside of the base dir, which let the build fail because of our stricter checkings 22:16 < _Lewellyn> /. is /.'ed :) 22:29 < nzg> rxr >: nzg: IBM and Motorola^W Freescale 22:30 < nzg> ho? 22:30 < rxr> nzg: sorry - guess n intead m ... 22:30 < nzg> ah, k 22:43 < CIA-7> rene * r9486 /trunk/package/base/serpnp/ (serpnp.c serpnp.cache serpnp.conf serpnp.desc): * the real serpnp package 22:44 < CIA-7> rene * r9487 /trunk/package/base/hotplug++/hotplug++.desc: * fixed [A] vs. [M] typo in the hotplug++.desc 22:47 < CIA-7> chris * r9488 /trunk/package/base/syslog-ng/ (syslog-ng.conf syslog-ng.cong): * renamed syslog-ng.cong -> syslog-ng.conf which is hopefully more sane than before ;) 22:48 < jeru> ^ hehe 2 typo fixes ... :) 23:06 < CIA-7> rene * r9489 /trunk/package/base/serpnp/serpnp.c: 23:06 < CIA-7> * cleaned up serpnp for the Logitech mouse on my desk 23:06 < CIA-7> * added printing of device description - if available 23:17 < CIA-7> rene * r9490 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/55-devfs.rules: 23:17 < CIA-7> * changed the u/dev serial usb names to what they really have been 23:17 < CIA-7> under devfs 23:51 < valentin> mnemoc_: here ? --- Log closed Tue Jun 07 00:00:58 2005