--- Log opened Sun Jun 12 00:00:26 2005
--- Day changed Sun Jun 12 2005
00:00 < mnemoc> Mishnah has _lot_ of 'complementary' rabbinic texts
00:00 < valentin> talmud is the ancestor of wiki
00:00 < valentin> or better internet forum
00:01 < valentin> somebody writes sth down and everybody comments
00:01 < valentin> and so on
00:01 < mnemoc> yep
00:01 < mnemoc> but 'everybody' of a highly limited set of people
00:02 < valentin> how many people have access to the internet (compared to the number of people in the world) ?
00:02 < sepp> 6% ?
00:02 < mnemoc> far more than on that time
00:04 < sepp> but could they all write?
00:06 < mnemoc> nah.. discuss
00:06 < mnemoc> brainstorming
00:07 < mnemoc> but people discussing here and people discussing there get different conclusions, most of them finish written
00:08 < valentin> this is interessting, because it is something like "open religion"
00:08 < mnemoc> conservative but esoteric then, open.
00:09 < sepp> but if it was so i really wonder who "brainstormed" ezechiel
00:09 < mnemoc> no no
00:09 < mnemoc> misna and talmud are different
00:09 < valentin> and it is not about the "holy" writings, it is about their interpretation
00:10 < mnemoc> the book we call bible is just and approved selection of 'holy texts'
00:11 < valentin> sepp: all prophets read drugged
00:11 < sepp> but this selection was also brainstormed?
00:12 < mnemoc> the intersting part is on the 4000 years of interpreations
00:12 < mnemoc> sepp: the texts are aproved or rejected, never altered.
00:12 < sepp> but this is not like wikiwiki :)
00:13 < mnemoc> sepp: only non-problematic texts are available to 'un-trained' people
00:13 < mnemoc> the bible is not
00:13 < mnemoc> vulgata is a selection for unprepared people
00:13 < mnemoc> of middle age :)
00:15 < sepp> maybe i dont get the point right now
00:15 < valentin> i thought the very special thing about vulgata was the (sometimes very free) translation into latin
00:15 < mnemoc> sure
00:16 < mnemoc> i just metion the 'target audience' it had
00:16 < valentin> priests ?
00:16 < valentin> i do not think normal people could even read
00:17 < mnemoc> they listen
00:17 < valentin> ah - ok
00:18 < mnemoc> it's impresive to see (on tv) etiopic prists reading their bible to their people
00:19 < mnemoc> they are choosed and trained for many many many years, and they live walking the reading their canon in public, and easting just charity
00:21 < sepp> anyway i would like to know if you like the bg thing (with an other logo - later)
00:21 < mnemoc> sepp: i like your display :)
00:22 < mnemoc> sepp: only 1024x768 here
00:22 < sepp> maybe i looked too much to the stars lately
00:24 < mnemoc> :)
00:24 < mnemoc> i like it
00:25 < valentin> stars are quite okay
00:26 < valentin> but you composed two bitmaps, right ?
00:26 < sepp> good i can scale it to any resolution without artefacts
00:26 < sepp> no
00:26 < valentin> the nebula looks much smoother than the bright stars
00:27 < sepp> yes it is only a idea
00:28 < mnemoc> sepp: what do you use to compose that images?
00:30 < sepp> jahshaka
00:30 < sepp> and some scripts to generate clouds and stars
00:31 < mnemoc> will you package it?
00:32 < sepp> jahshaka?
00:32 < mnemoc> yep
00:32 < mnemoc> http://www.jahshaka.org/ <-- looks nice
00:33 < sepp> yes this one :)
00:33 < sepp> ok
00:33 < [lewellyn]> hm. does t2 have an equivilent to /bin/nologin?
00:34 < valentin> /bin/false
00:34 < [lewellyn]> if not, i'd like to suggest one and (once i get t2 set up... grrr...), i will package it :)
00:34 < sepp> false
00:34 < [lewellyn]> false is a not very useful nologin shell :(
00:35 < [lewellyn]> http://www.cymru.com/Tools/nocando-1.4.tar.gz
00:35 < [lewellyn]> i prefer that one, myself...
00:37 < mnemoc> what do you expect from a nologin shell?
00:42 < [lewellyn]> how much flood can i paste?
00:43 < mnemoc> 5-6 lines?
00:43 < [lewellyn]> Hello mjl,
00:43 < [lewellyn]> You are not authorized to connect to tuffet.
00:43 < [lewellyn]> Please contact System Administration. Thank you.
00:43 < [lewellyn]> and then in syslog:
00:43 < [lewellyn]> Jun 11 15:42:39 tuffet nocando[7904]: login attempt by mjl
00:43 < [lewellyn]> that last bit is the most useful, imo
00:44 < mnemoc> :)
00:44 < mnemoc> package it
00:46 < [lewellyn]> ok. i need a working t2 system first.
00:46 < valentin> [lewellyn]: nologin shells are normaly used for daemons, and talking to a daemon is not very usefull in general
00:46 < [lewellyn]> that's what has stagnated me giving you a real ksh pacakge :)
00:46 < [lewellyn]> valentin: all the more reason to be notified if someone manages to login as said user.
00:47 < mnemoc> package it, and set your target to use nocando instead of false on /etc/passwd :)
00:47 < [lewellyn]> if someone manages to get throught the login prompt as the apache user, you probably want to know asap :)
00:48 < [lewellyn]> mnemoc: i'll probably have to ask for help with that when the time comes
00:48 < [lewellyn]> (hopefully very soon now)
00:48 < mnemoc> i hope :)
00:51 < sepp> lol now i remember why i have not made a jahshaka pkg - it has no make install and i was to lazy to find out what it should do
00:51 < [lewellyn]> i'm going to raid the sysadmin's cabling looking for a null modem in a bit
01:00 < valentin> think i will go to sleep now
01:00 < valentin> gn8
01:01 < [lewellyn]> sleep well
01:01 < valentin> thank you
01:02 < mnemoc> gn8 valentin
01:04 < sepp> good night
01:05 < mnemoc> rxr: rsync://t2.geeks.cl/t2-iso/ or http://t2.geeks.cl/iso/
01:59 < sepp> good night * - i need to sleep
02:53 < CIA-7> amery * r9637 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ooo.desc: * updated ooo (1.9-m104 -> 1.9-m108)
04:47 < [lewellyn]> yay. got the live cd to boot!
04:48 < [lewellyn]> now... i wonder if the cd-rom is accessible if the machine didn't boot from it.
04:51 < mnemoc> what did you do?
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04:55 < lewellyn> um. what console irc clients are on the live cd?
04:55 < mnemoc> no idea
04:55 < mnemoc> irssi?
04:56 < lewellyn> nope. nor ircii nor bitchx.
04:56 < mnemoc> :(
04:58 -!- lewellyn- [~live@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #t2
04:58 < lewellyn-> so ksirc it is. :/
04:58 < mnemoc> kopote? :)
04:58 < lewellyn-> that claims to be an instant messenger.
05:03 -!- lewellyn- [~live@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"]
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05:04 < lewellyn-> bah :(
05:04 * lewellyn- does not like having 2 windows open to be in one channel.
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05:08 < lewellyn-> so, how come ooo isn't in the kde menu?
05:08 < lewellyn-> i started it by hand, and it seems to work.
05:14 < mnemoc> :)
05:14 < mnemoc> ooo has been a torture
05:15 < lewellyn-> it's kind of sad that it's been a torture and users can't see the labor of love's result :(
05:15 < mnemoc> i have to migrate xmlhelp and context2 to bdb-java-api 4.3, to build that damn package against java
05:15 < mnemoc> users never see the labor :(
05:15 < mnemoc> our label*
05:15 < lewellyn-> they don't see the result either :(
05:16 < mnemoc> :p
05:16 < lewellyn-> gar. i can't get an nfs share to mount :(
05:16 < lewellyn-> nor can i figure out the kde network folder thinger to get to it via smb
05:17 < mnemoc> lewellyn: be sure you have portmapper running
05:17 < lewellyn-> even for smb?
05:18 < mnemoc> .oO( does livecd has smb support? )o
05:18 < mnemoc> nfs
05:18 < lewellyn-> well, it has KNetAttach
05:18 < mnemoc> gar. i can't get an nfs share to mount :( <--- don't forget portmapper
05:18 < lewellyn-> i'd expect smb to not require the portmapper, though.
05:18 < mnemoc> you need to be linked to libsmbclient to support smb
05:18 < lewellyn-> i'm waiting for a shell to free up so i can check if portmapper is running
05:19 < lewellyn-> bah. i don't see much in the way of services :(
05:20 < lewellyn-> woohoo! it mounted anyway!
05:20 < lewellyn-> (after about 5 minutes)
05:20 < mnemoc> that happens when portmap is not running
05:20 < mnemoc> write a mail for rene
05:20 < lewellyn-> host:/vol/share on /mnt/share type nfs (rw,addr=192.168.X.X,addr=192.168.X.X)
05:21 < lewellyn-> i'm more concerned about the lack of nfs than the nfs
05:21 < lewellyn-> lack of smb, rather
05:21 < mnemoc> write a report
05:21 < mnemoc> i think he haven't think about the posibility of someone needing smb://
05:21 < lewellyn-> it's going to be pretty negative sounding, i'm afraid :(
05:22 < lewellyn-> well, i only tried smb because there was an app for it.
05:22 < mnemoc> 'normal' people use smb:// and nfs
05:22 < mnemoc> he doesn't :p
05:23 < lewellyn-> i rarely use smb outside vmware :)
05:23 < mnemoc> he is more worried about hardware detection and cute installers
05:23 < mnemoc> :)
05:23 < lewellyn-> i have complaints about the devices on the desktop too :)
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05:24 < lewellyn-> hoi sparc-kly
05:24 < sparc-kly> hi lewellyn-
05:24 < mnemoc> lewellyn-: give feedback, and in case of devices attach lspci info
05:25 < lewellyn-> i'm still poking around :)
05:25 < lewellyn-> once i've made progress on that, i can start writing
05:26 < lewellyn-> btw, on the plus side, ooo seems to read ms word docs MUCH better than whatever version i'm currently running
05:26 < lewellyn-> no more grey boxes randomly on the page :)
05:26 < lewellyn-> strike that. 2 of them, but they're acceptable.
05:26 < mnemoc> :D
05:26 < lewellyn-> it also isn't turning a 2 page document into a 7 page document :)
05:27 < lewellyn-> oh. wait. it did on one of them :(
05:28 < lewellyn-> it's still far more attractive and useable :)
05:28 * lewellyn- greatly appreciates the efforts on that front
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05:29 < mnemoc> == 21:08:32 =[5]=> Building office/ooo [1.9-m108 2.1.0-rc2]. <-- 2:20h ago
05:29 < lewellyn-> woo :)
05:30 < mnemoc> 5 to come :)
05:30 < mnemoc> if it builds
05:30 < lewellyn-> let us cross our fingers
05:31 < mnemoc> 265 builds total, 177 completed fine, 0 with errors. <-- minimal desktop
05:31 < lewellyn-> yes, your minimal disc booted fine... it was just... minimal :)
05:32 < lewellyn-> is anyone working on building a 64-bit 2.1 cd come final?
05:32 < lewellyn-> (i'm only pseudo-volunteering at this point :) )
05:32 < mnemoc> no hardware available
05:34 < lewellyn-> this is an em64t machine :)
05:34 < lewellyn-> model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.20GHz
05:34 < lewellyn-> stepping : 3
05:34 < lewellyn-> cpu MHz : 3193.224
05:34 < lewellyn-> cache size : 2048 KB
05:34 < lewellyn-> i will tentatively volunteer :)
05:35 < lewellyn-> so, livecd testing... what am i supposed to test? :)
05:35 < lewellyn-> i.e. how do i find out if my video driver is accelerated?
05:36 < mnemoc> running a game i guess
05:39 < lewellyn-> any suggestions? :) i don't see any on the disc
05:39 < mnemoc> no idea :p
05:39 < mnemoc> last game i played was starcraft
05:39 < lewellyn-> bash: nethack: command not found
05:39 < lewellyn-> :(
05:41 < lewellyn-> gah. i hate kde :(
05:41 < lewellyn-> i can't use xmms because something else is apparently using the soundcard
05:42 < lewellyn-> that something is artsd :(
05:43 < lewellyn-> there. quick killing and hitting play got xmms to go.
05:43 < lewellyn-> unfortunately, no audio. this is not good :(
05:45 < mnemoc> :(
05:47 < lewellyn-> linux audio is always bad for me :(
05:49 < lewellyn-> also, the net configurator thinger is not included yet, right?
05:49 * lewellyn- didn't see it, so wants to be sure it's not supposed to be there yet
05:51 < mnemoc> iirc knetconf is included
05:54 < lewellyn-> not that i can find :/
05:55 < mnemoc> :(
05:55 < lewellyn-> aha
05:55 < lewellyn-> it's netconf
05:56 * lewellyn- adds a note to his list that netconf should probably run just after the normal kde configuration somehow.
06:00 < lewellyn-> hm. is this a valid /etc/conf/network?
06:00 < lewellyn-> interface eth0(default)
06:00 < lewellyn-> dhcp
06:02 < mnemoc> yes
06:03 < lewellyn-> ok. :)
06:04 < lewellyn-> what is useful for my report besides the output of lspci and lsmod?
06:04 < lewellyn-> and dmesg
06:05 < mnemoc> just that i think
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06:05 < keinek> hi
06:05 < mnemoc> hi keinek
06:05 < keinek> hi mnemoc
06:06 * lewellyn- hopes that most of his complaints are trivial to address :(
06:07 < mnemoc> same do i
06:12 < lewellyn-> i am having no luck with any of the disk icons on the desktop. :(
06:12 < lewellyn-> i'm about to try some more exotic devices in hopes that they work better than cd-roms and hard disks and floppy disks :(
06:13 < mnemoc> :|
06:14 < keinek> t2 t2 t2, la li la la li la laaaaaaaa.
06:14 < keinek> sorry
06:14 < keinek> :(
06:14 < mnemoc> ?
06:15 < keinek> i put some music to t2
06:15 < keinek> :)
06:18 < lewellyn-> heh
06:19 < lewellyn-> bah. i have only managed to fill 6 of my usb ports. i am one usb cable shy of 7 and forgot a hard disk or they'd all be full
06:19 * lewellyn- stress tests this live cd :)
06:36 * lewellyn- adds lsusb output :)
06:36 < lewellyn-> and lsdev
06:39 < mnemoc> :)
06:39 < mnemoc> i'll go to sleep
06:39 < mnemoc> cu tomorrow
06:39 < lewellyn-> sleep well
06:39 < lewellyn-> i'll email rene as soon as i'm done here :)
06:39 < mnemoc> :)
06:39 < mnemoc> gn8 *
06:55 < lewellyn-> on the plus side, it looks like all the nvidia crap loaded fine :)
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07:16 < lewellyn-> hm.
07:16 < lewellyn-> rxr: you awake?
07:28 * lewellyn- needs an email address for rxr
08:02 * [lewellyn] knows that he has it in a log in his other client. but he can't stay connected to it :(
09:09 < rxr> dddre
09:09 < rxr> re
09:10 < rxr> rene@exactcode.de
09:10 < [lewellyn]> morning :)
09:10 * [lewellyn] hands rxr some caffeine
09:10 < [lewellyn]> sent.
09:11 < [lewellyn]> i couldn't think of anything else to include to help you out with whether my machine was actually fully supported. :)
09:11 < [lewellyn]> the automounting of volumes onto the kde desktop is a t2 thing, correct?
09:13 < rxr> not really - just a smooth d-bus / hal integration
09:13 < rxr> though the hal config was tweaked as welll
09:15 < [lewellyn]> hm. i had many issues with the desktop icons :(
09:15 < rxr> ouhm
09:16 < rxr> ok /me taking breakfast and then I drive home to take a look ,-)
09:16 < [lewellyn]> i did not know where to start debugging those things, so i did not even attempt.
09:16 < [lewellyn]> and enjoy your breakfast.
09:16 < [lewellyn]> i just wanted to actually give you the results from my machine finally :)
09:53 < SerWou> hello
10:00 < [lewellyn]> morning
10:47 < rxr> re
10:47 < [lewellyn]> how was breakfast?
10:47 < rxr> hehe ,-)
10:48 < rxr> since it was with susan, nice ,-) Just that we had not too many food at her flat and I had to taste if the coffee machine that came out of repair produces drinkable coffee again - which it does not ... :-(
10:48 < [lewellyn]> undrinkable coffee--
10:50 < rxr> yeah - tasts like oxidize metal in the "coffee"
10:52 < rxr> it's one of those Philips Senseo models:
10:52 < rxr> http://www.comet.co.uk/comet/html/cache/philips_senseo.htm
10:53 < rxr> in the beginning the coffee was quite lovely - first the machine had a defect and leaked water out from time to time - and now the coffee tasts like some mixture of the coffee, oxidized metal and other ingredients that do not taste too good ...
10:54 < [lewellyn]> ew
10:54 < [lewellyn]> at least it still resembles coffee
10:54 < [lewellyn]> and it surely must be better than starbucks
10:55 < [lewellyn]> ah. i've seen those at the grocery store for like $20.
10:55 < [lewellyn]> i knew they had to be too good to be true
11:05 < valentin> moin
11:06 < [lewellyn]> morning valentin :)
11:06 < valentin> moin [lewellyn], don't forget to sleep
11:06 < [lewellyn]> it's only 0200
11:06 < [lewellyn]> http://hateatron.com/hate.php?topic=5662&count=4
11:07 < rxr> hi valentin
11:07 < valentin> hi rxr
11:08 < valentin> [lewellyn]: what is this forum ?
11:08 < [lewellyn]> bizarre...
11:08 < [lewellyn]> i cannot explain the -atron trend
11:08 < [lewellyn]> i thought it had died, but apparently not
11:09 < rxr> valentin: tried Naturally Speaking on Susan's windows98 insatll yesterday
11:09 < rxr> I have to admit the accurancy is even higher
11:11 < rxr> the verion also ships with english - but somehow the recognition engine really dislikes my english - the training in german is smooth - but the english training is a pain in the ass - the software often fails to recognize the simles wors including "the" "a" "where" and whatever and I hat to repeat some sentences or even wors over 30 times until the software accepted it ...
11:12 < valentin> :(
11:12 < rxr> however dictating english after the trainging was mostly ok, too. Especially after some paragraphs where I corrected the many wrong words
11:33 < valentin> *breakfast*
11:36 < [lewellyn]> hm. breakfast...
11:36 < [lewellyn]> too bad i can't easily get breakfast for another 4 hours :(
11:38 < rxr> installing software in wine on a 4 disk RAID 5 volume under wine kinda rocks ...
11:39 < rxr> way faster than on windows ... (though no raid5 there ,-)
11:39 < rxr> just that some software is really kinda touchy and some does not really wanna work at all. ...
11:40 < rxr> and the tar snapshot facility of Unix (tar cvfz wine-snap-`data`.tar.gz .wine c) does also reduce maintenance and backup costs ...
11:47 < valentin> [lewellyn]: i will eat some sandwitches for you
11:47 < valentin> any preferences ?
11:48 < [lewellyn]> um.
11:48 < [lewellyn]> good ones! ;)
12:12 < rxr> ouhm - our grave ncurses hack patch applied in stage3 and up breaks on sparc ...
12:17 < valentin> rxr: what ignore props did you set ?
12:19 < rxr> *.d *.a
12:20 < rxr> svn pl and svn pg are your friends
12:20 < rxr> valentin: what should I do on netconf?
12:20 < rxr> can I thow the next version into the live cd ?
12:20 < rxr> ro anything to be done / tested ?
12:20 < rxr> does it utilize serpnp these days ?
12:20 < valentin> serpnp: yes
12:21 < valentin> but i did not test it on a serpnp-enabled device
12:21 < valentin> it would be nice if you fix the ä's
12:21 < rxr> serpnp is new thru te new helper ?
12:21 < valentin> and set the background of the small wlan icon to transparent
12:21 < rxr> oh:
12:21 < rxr> Committed revision 256.
12:22 < valentin> serpnp was there since thu or so
12:22 < valentin> fix the auml's and the icon
12:22 < rxr> but direct call or what ?
12:23 < rxr> since it never worked on my side ...
12:23 < valentin> nope
12:23 < valentin> did you test it ?
12:23 < valentin> your cellphone cannot do serpnp
12:23 < rxr> I know
12:23 < rxr> but the else
12:23 < rxr> elsa
12:23 < valentin> i am quite sure you told me it is recognized
12:24 < valentin> mom
12:24 < valentin> std::string cmd = "sudo /sbin/netconf-copy.sh serpnp " + dev.dev;
12:25 < valentin> what does this call tell you for dev.dev=/dev/tts/ ?
12:25 < valentin> the other thing is the device detection which is not performed through the helper yet
12:25 < rxr> didn't you want to rename the helper ?
12:26 < valentin> not yet
12:26 < valentin> i can do it in a minute
12:27 < rxr> would make sense to have the final name on the first official live cd ...
12:27 < valentin> i also "hack" device info into there
12:27 < valentin> and ifup ifdown
12:27 < valentin> final name ?
12:27 < rxr> netconf-helper instead of -copy
12:27 < valentin> ah
12:27 < valentin> ok, i commit in a minute
12:27 < valentin> rxr: i want to do ifup/ifdown through this helper, too
12:27 < valentin> then one does not need so many sudoers rules
12:28 < valentin> if you agree
12:31 < rxr> yes - of course
12:31 < rxr> $ sudo /sbin/netconf-copy.sh serpnp /dev/tts/0
12:31 < rxr> MicroLink 56k
12:32 < valentin> hm, and it does not show up in the gui ?
12:32 < rxr> hm - when do you do the serpnp scan
12:32 < rxr> on startup the description is not in the gui - only when I click scan serial devices IIRC
12:32 < valentin> on startup and each time you hit 'rescan for serial devices' in the menu
12:32 < valentin> can you veryfy that ?
12:32 < rxr> hm - ok - maybe I was confused
12:33 < rxr> valentin: what do you think to try to license the naturally speaking engine and sell voice recognition enabled Desktop Linux ?
12:35 < valentin> how much will that license cost ?
12:35 < rxr> no idea - I was just thinking aloud
12:36 < rxr> I know a swiss company does license a OCR engine for their document scan software
12:36 < rxr> and he was quite satisfied - thus it can not be too much
12:37 < rxr> and the OCR product and Naturally Speaking are about the same retail price
12:45 < valentin> rxr: at head you have netconf-helper.sh
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12:45 < valentin> and you only need a sudoers rule for that
12:45 < valentin> now it detects my network-card device, too
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12:53 < valentin> do you want to solder the iso together now ?
12:54 < rxr> yeah - some time soon - why do you ask ?
12:54 < valentin> tell me, because i'll de-activate some half-finished code before (if not ready up to that point)
12:55 < [lewellyn]> rxr: nothing i raised is too terribly difficult, i hope? i tried to poke at it as a user would. :/
12:55 < valentin> it would be nice, if you fixed the translation file before
12:55 < valentin> and the transparency
13:03 < rxr> valentin: do I need to scroll back for the de/ changes ?
13:03 < valentin> generaly search for all ä's
13:04 < valentin> because the once i inserted do not yield a warning from the gmo compiler
13:04 < rxr> ?
13:04 < rxr> nach neuen Seriellen Modems suchen
13:04 < rxr> shouldn't serial be lower case ?
13:05 < valentin> well, edit it :)
13:05 < rxr> "blabla\n"
13:05 < rxr> to be removed?
13:08 < valentin> oh - no, to be translated
13:08 < valentin> i forgot to edid that one after my first test
13:08 < rxr> ok - second
13:08 < valentin> at head you have profile switching through the tray menu
13:08 < rxr> I'm nearly thru with umlaut and typo fixup
13:08 < valentin> it does not yet look that way i want it to look, but that is ok now as long as it works
13:09 < valentin> let me test some minutes before merging it
13:09 < rxr> please look if all in r261 is fine
13:09 < valentin> ok
13:09 < valentin> mom - do not svn up yet
13:09 < valentin> i just fixed a small issue
13:13 < valentin> hm, why don't it switch yet ...
13:13 < valentin> if the window is hidden
13:14 < rxr> btw with susans on-board soundcard one also does not get device notes since the kernel side does not recognize the card ...
13:14 < rxr> quite strange that we have this isseu - I never saw it before
13:19 < valentin> must be some alsa bug
13:20 < valentin> hm, in general activating an interface while another is active does not work anymore
13:20 < valentin> i wonder what i have done
13:20 < valentin> need to investigate that
13:27 < valentin> svn up to r265
13:29 < valentin> rxr: there is just one more thing i want to take a short look at
13:43 < rxr> looking into why wine fails to run Naturally Speaking 7 or 8?
13:45 < rxr> did I mention I want to have speeh recognition ?
13:45 < valentin> more than once
13:45 < valentin> ok, you can take head
13:45 < valentin> i think we can put it on the livecd
13:46 < valentin> so some people will test it in working environment
13:46 < rxr> brrr - getting cold - I think I make a fresh tea and place a candle wit the tea here in my work-room ...
13:46 < valentin> turn on your U30
13:46 < rxr> 13?C ...
13:46 < rxr> there are already a RS6k, a U5 and the Athlon running ...
13:47 < rxr> I could turn the music louder to heat the amplifier ...
13:48 < rxr> of course a working voice recognition would put some more load on the Athlon ....
13:49 < rxr> or I use vmware to install the Win2k academic version just to burn CPU cycles ... *g*
13:56 < valentin> i guess normal heating will be cheaper
13:59 < rxr> but the later gives me loud music ,-)
13:59 < rxr> I find it quite strange to turn the heating on in the /summer/ I guess I rather go for a fresh tea with candle ...
14:03 < rxr> the ncurses Makefile generation is a b0rked mess - my oh my ...
14:03 < rxr> drug consume should indeed hunted way more ...
14:04 < rxr> I can't even imagine what drugs that must be to construct such an overly b0rked crap ...
14:09 < rxr> and the poor aging U5 needs to compile run this broken auto* / tinkered awk mess to generate the ncurses Mafiles again and again ...
14:09 < rxr> if I would be that poor CPU I would long have self powered down ...
14:11 < rxr> ok - the Makefile looks better now - /me pressing the thumbs in the hope the ncurses*.so install without an issue now -)
14:11 < rxr> unfortunatly the tiny SPARC will need some mintues++ to compile the code ..
14:17 < rxr> valentin: did I paste the gnome puzzle grub slpash screen?
14:17 < rxr> I do not find the size anymore where I grabbed it from .-((((((((((
14:21 < valentin> which size ?
14:21 < valentin> site ?
14:21 < valentin> no idea
14:30 < rxr> ouhm - ncurses still building ...
14:30 < rxr> == 12:06:14 =[3]=> Building base/ncurses [5.4 2.2.0-alpha].
14:45 < rxr> ouhm - still ...
14:45 * rxr kicks the U5 ...
14:47 < valentin> overclock it - maybe this will also heat your room
14:48 < valentin> sure your build progresses ? or is it just stuck in an infinite makefile loop ?
14:53 < rxr> == 06/12/05 12:51:35 =[3]=> Finished building package ncurses.
14:53 < rxr> ...
14:53 < rxr> grummel ...
14:57 < CIA-7> rene * r9639 /trunk/package/base/ncurses/ (3 files):
14:57 < CIA-7> * replaced a grave hack in the ncurses build, that breaks on sparc,
14:57 < CIA-7> with patching the real place where the broken Makefile is generated
15:01 < rxr> valentin: ?
15:02 < rxr> I need your opinion
15:03 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/new-grub.png
15:07 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/new-grub2.png
15:18 < valentin> i like the fact that it is black/grey/white only
15:18 < valentin> and thus no dithered colors
15:19 < valentin> and it has no logo yet, which is good (as long as we have no official one)
15:19 < valentin> i would take it for the magazine cd
15:20 < rxr> ok here is a tweaked menu color snapshot:
15:20 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/new-grub3.png
15:20 < rxr> valentin: ack ?
15:21 < valentin> where is the differece ?
15:21 < valentin> *nce
15:21 < rxr> that the menu has a visible gray background instead of the invisible black ...
15:22 < CIA-7> valentin * r9640 /trunk/package/network/knetconf/knetconf.desc: * updated knetconf to use svn revision 266
15:22 < valentin> really ?
15:22 < rxr> ?
15:23 < valentin> ah
15:23 < valentin> yes
15:23 < valentin> hm, but the font has a strange grey shadow
15:32 < rxr> ok /me hunting lunch
15:34 < rxr> ouhm - on the U5 3-perl is _still_ building ...
15:34 < rxr> damn slow box ...
15:34 < rxr> and it already is faster than the ones we had previously ...
15:34 < rxr> @360Mhz ... and 256MB RAM ...
15:35 < rxr> my rsync location contains the update ISO with the new splash
15:35 < rxr> sent 210804 bytes received 181938 bytes 2290.04 bytes/sec
15:35 < rxr> but a new one will follow in about 1 hour
15:35 < rxr> I need food first ...
15:35 < rxr> btw. the new logo is also significantly smaller:
15:35 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 rene users 6630 Jun 12 15:05 t2.xpm.gz
15:35 < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 rene users 56769 May 23 21:28 t2.xpm.gz-sepp
15:35 < rxr> ,-)
15:38 < netrunner> rxr: the only thing missing is sun switching to intel anyway. then no more multi-arch hussle :=)
15:41 < valentin> netrunner: there is much more ppc on the world than apple
15:41 < valentin> hi netrunner, btw
15:49 < rxr> ack IBM's own servers are a big deal anyway - and then Microsoft's Xbos and the Sony PS3 and so on ...
15:49 < rxr> and the big embedded world - every thrid car, ...
15:49 < rxr> and there is much more than i386 and powerpc anyway
15:49 < rxr> arm, mips, ...
15:49 < rxr> !> cp: cannot create regular file `/opt/kde3/bin/netconf': ..
15:50 < rxr> didn't I told you to use install ?
15:57 < netrunner> valentin: that was meant as a funny comment :)
16:00 * valentin *ducks*
16:03 < valentin> install or ginstall ?
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16:12 < rxr> install
16:13 < rxr> ah - 3-perl finished on the sparc ...
16:15 < rxr> oh my god - RTL-DSL ?!?!?!
16:16 < rxr> http://www.rtldsl.de
16:17 < rxr> valentin: do you fix it to use install or should I?
16:17 < valentin> Die Seite kann derzeit nicht angezeigt werden
16:17 < rxr> ok - I do
16:17 < valentin> ok
16:17 < valentin> thank you
16:21 < rxr> valentin: you forgot to bump the version - you only altered the D tag ...
16:21 < valentin> damn
16:22 < valentin> seems like this is not my day...
16:22 < valentin> i have to take care for kerstin now, bbl
16:22 < rxr> cu
16:22 < valentin> if there is sth important with netconf, feel free to call
16:22 < rxr> ok
16:22 < rxr> is kerstin ill or so ?
16:23 < valentin> maybe a bit
16:23 < valentin> cu later
16:23 < rxr> ouhm
16:23 < rxr> gute besserung
16:30 < CIA-7> rene * r9641 /trunk/package/network/knetconf/knetconf.desc:
16:30 < CIA-7> * updated knetconf (r266 -> r267) - fixed installation if the binary
16:30 < CIA-7> is memory mapped (text file busy)
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16:33 < keinek> hi
16:34 < rxr> hi keinek
16:39 < sepp> hello all
16:39 < rxr> hey sepp ,-)
16:40 < rxr> how is your DR* don'g ?
16:41 < sepp> seems i am to dumb to fully understand all 23 layers of cemplexity
16:43 < sepp> ultra well designed chaos
16:44 < sepp> and with the worlds best debugger ...
16:44 < rxr> yeah - I can imagine
16:45 < rxr> is it crashing or jsut malfunctioning ?=
16:45 < sepp> both
16:45 < rxr> I assume you tried the latest of this via unichrome driver?
16:45 < sepp> yes
16:46 < sepp> at least i know that i'll get a notebook without unichrome
16:46 < CIA-7> rene * r9642 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/parse-config:
16:46 < CIA-7> * fixed the sparc64/32 parse-config to actually also alter arch_build
16:46 < CIA-7> so certain packages do not think they are beeing cross build ...
16:48 < sepp> are the sony notebooks really bad?
16:48 < rxr> no idea
16:48 < rxr> smp @rock often had those - was mostly ok IIRC
16:48 < sepp> i read a lot of troll comments on sony notebooks
16:49 < rxr> well, ...
16:49 < rxr> my next one might be this:
16:49 < rxr> http://www.sharpsystems.com/products/pc_notebooks/actius/mm/20/
16:49 < rxr> if it is still available if I have the money together
16:51 < sepp> what is 2lb in kg?
16:51 < rxr> 0.9x
16:53 < sepp> hmm seems nice but only 20gb
16:53 < sepp> 20 marketing gb
16:54 < rxr> it will also not be too high performance due to Transmeta Efficeon ,-)
16:55 < sepp> that is no problem for me - i dont want a 5kg notebook with 64bit desktop cpu
16:56 < sepp> that you can not mount on your knee
16:56 < rxr> yep - me neither even the first brought for long battery life and such 14" iBook is too heavy for my taste today
16:56 < rxr> the next mobile device will be such a sub-notebook with 10" screen and below 1kg ...
16:57 < rxr> I hope this sharp actus will be around a bit longer - importing from the us should be not too much of a problem for me ...
16:57 < rxr> since susans's stepmother is from the US, ,-)
16:58 < sepp> i was at saturn yesterday but they mostly have hand barrow notebooks
16:58 < rxr> hand borrow?
16:58 < sepp> schubkarre
16:58 < rxr> hehe ,-)
16:58 < rxr> I can imagine
16:59 < sepp> brick design and 3+kg
16:59 < rxr> REG. PRICE: $1,399.00 PRICE: $1,199.00
16:59 < rxr> hm ,-)
16:59 < rxr> ok - + taxes
17:01 < sepp> and you still have to pay ms tax :'(
17:04 < sepp> i still have this interesting book from the last notebook - 1st half is the win98 book 2nd win95
17:06 < sepp> "Willkommen beim Betriebssystem M$ Windows 98. Jetzt macht das Arbeiten in Windows noch mehr Spass..."
17:06 < sepp> lol
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17:19 < rxr_> valentin: maybe we should seed T2 Live CDs with the name Apple 10.4 x86 into various P2Ps ?
17:20 < sepp> lol
17:20 < rxr_> yeah - I'm evil ...
17:20 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2
17:20 < sepp> like the music mafia is uploading silly encoded mp3 ?
17:21 < rxr_> with the baghira some people might not even notice ...
17:21 < minto> Hi guys
17:21 < rxr_> hey minto !
17:21 < minto> hi rxr, just got back from vacation.
17:21 < rxr_> hope it was relaxing ,-)?
17:22 < minto> Yes it was.
17:22 < minto> Seems like t2 is doing well, I see lots of new names.
17:23 < sepp> hi minto
17:23 < minto> hi sepp
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17:27 < rxr_> minto: yep - it seems T2 PR is progressing ,-)
17:50 < rxr_> ok - most probably golden master live cd squashing the FS ...
17:52 < sepp> what is the german it mag. ?
17:52 < rxr_> L i n ux in t ern and P C L i n ux
17:53 < rxr_> and hopefully all the others when they see how smooth it is ,-)
17:55 < valentin> re
17:56 < rxr_> valentin: is it possible your netconf windows flickers shortly before it hides again when run with --silent ?
17:57 < valentin> ouhm - never noticed that
17:57 < valentin> another instance running before ?
18:04 < minto> rxr: is beta3 the last available live cd version?
18:04 < minto> if not, where can I find the last version?
18:05 < minto> I wanna give it a try, r15 worked on my thinkpad. But unfortunately without sound.
18:06 < rxr_> minto: there will be -beta4 today
18:06 < minto> Oehh, nice
18:06 < rxr_> minto: ALSA seems to have a stange bug in the version / combination the live cd ships - -beta* will not likely solve your sound problem
18:06 < minto> :-(
18:10 < rxr_> for some yet unknown reason some sound modules of ALSA do load but fail to recognize the actual sound hardware ...
18:13 < valentin> f*ck - the edit component is now gedit
18:13 < valentin> i want my kde back
18:13 < minto> Luckily sound is not that big a deal to me. I mostly have it turned off anyway. I'd love to have a look at the new live cd. I guess a message on the mailing list will follow soon after you made it available..
18:15 < rxr_> hehe - I know there is still al lot to do to make it the best desktop OS experience ever ...
18:15 < rxr_> but that is mostly my intention over the next months
18:16 < valentin> oh - i did not knew that the jan kara working at our department is the jan kara from the linux kernel
18:17 < minto> You have set your targets high.
18:18 < valentin> he worked for suse labs in the past
18:18 < rxr_> hm - what is he doing in your uni department ?
18:19 < valentin> doing his doctorate in discrete mathematics
18:20 < rxr_> hm
18:21 < valentin> i do not know if he is still there or retured to prague
18:22 < [lewellyn]> rxr_: so lack of sound is not unique to me? :(
18:22 < valentin> [lewellyn]: sadly, no
18:22 < valentin> if your problem is that /dev/snd is empty except for the timer device
18:23 < [lewellyn]> i'd have to look at the email i sent rene
18:26 < rxr_> [lewellyn]: for some stange reason 1/3 or so of the alsa drivers on the live cd are not that functional
18:26 < rxr_> it is yet unknown why this is the case ...
18:27 < rxr_> valentin: should we call ?
18:27 < rxr_> if you have time that is ...
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18:30 < [lewellyn]> rxr: for me, that seemed to be the only driver that had issues...
18:34 < valentin> rxr
18:34 < valentin> ok
18:34 < valentin> busy
18:35 < rxr> hm - sim card error
18:35 < rxr> can you use my landline ?
18:35 < valentin> .oO
18:35 < valentin> ok
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18:44 < mnemoc_> argh
18:44 < minto> hi mnemoc
18:44 < sepp> hi mnemoc_
18:45 < mnemoc_> hi minto, sepp
18:45 < mnemoc_> did i say something 4 minutes ago?
18:45 < minto> nope you only said argh 1 minute ago
18:45 < mnemoc_> :)
18:46 < mnemoc_> == 21:08:32 =[5]=> Building office/ooo [1.9-m108 2.1.0-rc2].
18:46 < mnemoc_> == 06/12/05 03:07:15 =[5]=> Finished building package ooo.
18:46 < mnemoc_> rxr: apache on minimal-desktop?
18:46 < mnemoc_> misc/pkgsel/minimal-desktop.in:/ apache / { p; d; };
18:46 < mnemoc_> rxr: ^--- why?
18:46 < rxr> mnemoc_: guess from the time when it was needed for a subversion build or so
18:46 < mnemoc_> remove apache or add apr?
18:46 < mnemoc_> hi rxr :)
18:47 < rxr> hi mnemoc_
18:47 < rxr> rm apche - add apr-*
18:47 < mnemoc_> ok
18:47 < rxr> valentin: svn up for ths stanard fix ...
18:47 < valentin> ok, then there is blabla, then activieren
18:48 < valentin> maybe Authentifikation -> Authentifizierung
18:48 < mnemoc_> rxr: apr and apr-util?
18:48 < rxr> I think so
18:49 < rxr> valentin: sound ok
18:49 < valentin> yes Authentifizierung
18:49 < valentin> the other one does not exist
18:50 < mnemoc_> Authentifizierung exists?
18:50 < valentin> in german
18:50 < mnemoc_> exists?
18:50 < mnemoc_> i had that problem on spanish also
18:51 < mnemoc_> no words for authentificaton
18:51 < valentin> hm
18:54 < mnemoc_> authentication, etc...
18:54 < mnemoc_> neither requirement exists
18:55 < rxr> when will spanish 2.0 out ?
18:55 < mnemoc_> :)
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18:59 < mnemoc_> rxr: how do i set a tempdir for rsyncd?
19:00 < valentin> mnemoc_: you could translate netconf into spanish
19:01 < mnemoc_> in extensive it is 'configuración de red'
19:04 < rxr> mnemoc_: valentin meant a whole .po file - not just this word ,-)
19:04 < mnemoc_> :p
19:04 < mnemoc_> ok ok
19:04 < mnemoc_> but later
19:04 < mnemoc_> i have to go now
19:04 < rxr> hehe - cu
19:05 < mnemoc_> cu
19:05 < minto> Are there any other translations required?
19:05 < minto> like for instance Dutch?
19:05 < rxr> any provided
19:05 < rxr> sure
19:06 < minto> How do I translate .po files?
19:06 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/netconf/trunk/gui/locale/de/messages.po
19:06 < rxr> take a copy and remove the german test below the english ones with dutch
19:06 < rxr> however plesae use utf8 for the non ASCI chars
19:07 < rxr> ASCII even
19:10 < rxr> -> Compiler Cache Hits while pkg build: 100.00% (55 hits, 0 misses)
19:10 < rxr> == 19:07:16 =[9]=> Building network/knetconf [r269 2.2.0-alpha].
19:11 < rxr> == 06/12/05 19:08:19 =[9]=> Finished building package knetconf.
19:11 < rxr> mksquashfs live ...
19:25 < rxr> ouhm - still squashing
19:32 < rxr> valentin: do you think cc'ing Netconf announce to rock-devel would cause a flamewar ?
19:33 < valentin> maybe - why would you want to do that ?
19:33 < valentin> i could create a package and throw it into submaster
19:34 < rxr> it will not work as it on ROCK - thus better not waste time on it ...
19:34 < valentin> yes, sure
19:34 < valentin> the paths are different
19:35 < valentin> and the /var/run/rocknet stuff too iirc
19:35 < rxr> so - cc announce or not ,-)
19:35 < valentin> i could throw a rocknet update into submaster
19:35 < rxr> *lol*
19:35 < valentin> rxr: why ?
19:35 < rxr> "public" relation
19:36 < valentin> hm
19:36 < valentin> i still do not see what interesst there will be for an t2-exclusive tool
19:36 < valentin> this means 'no'
19:37 < rxr> well - if they tweak a few places for the not too simillar ROCK Net they could use it as well ...
19:40 < rxr> [ANNOUNCE] T2 @Live 2.2.0-gamma "Life's a beach"
19:40 < rxr> ^- code name ok ?
19:41 < rxr> 2.2.0-final should get "Sophisticated fun" ,-)
19:41 < valentin> beach ? ok ...
19:41 < rxr> or lemmon ?
19:42 < rxr> I HATE THE DAMN CRIPPLED TFH FIREWALL
19:42 < rxr> AAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHh
19:42 * valentin hands rxr a tranquilizer
19:43 < rxr> valentin: do you have to kill a xterm 7 times a day because the firewall closed the connection ?
19:43 < rxr> broken crap ...
19:55 < rxr> my home rsync live source contains the most probably -gamma release, now
19:59 < valentin> which was again ?
20:00 < rxr> rsync -P rsync://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/public/live/t2.iso your-download-file.iso
20:00 < rxr> I think
20:02 < valentin> works
20:04 < minto> :-) works for me too
20:16 < rxr> minto: I hope you use some existing t2.iso file so you do not overload my tiny home office connection ? *g*
20:17 < minto> Sorry, I was not.
20:17 < minto> I no longer have the r15 iso. Should I first get the beta3 and then rsync?
20:18 < rxr> yes
20:18 < rxr> please
20:18 < minto> ack
20:21 < sepp> http://home.arcor.de/sebastian.czech/t2/glue.jpg
20:21 < sepp> ^ just a idea
20:23 < rxr> hehehe
20:23 < valentin> sepp: haha, that's cool
20:24 < valentin> you have to be carefull not to infridge some design-copyright
20:24 < valentin> so you should render your own tube or so
20:24 < [lewellyn]> yes ;)
20:24 < sepp> sure i only took a tube from the web to just demonstrate the idea
20:25 < rxr> maybe the form as it is patented and we get a letter even when we render it - juck
20:25 < valentin> nah...
20:26 < rxr> valentin: just joking ...
20:26 < valentin> but, who knows... lawyers are creative sometimes
20:26 < valentin> did you read about that forum that hat been sued
20:26 < [lewellyn]> valentin: dunno about there, but here in the us, this is a far more recognizable shape (and it gives you more label space, to boot!):
20:27 < rxr> valentin: we should patant some "container" to store fluid, hard and so on "material" and then sew them all
20:27 < [lewellyn]> http://tinyurl.com/c4ovt
20:27 < rxr> valentin: also consider the tera pack fluff - though I hope just a trademark ...
20:27 < sepp> ohh i give my ip on every glue tube i made to some chinese then
20:39 < rxr> I need to jump out to grab some good before one of the few shops opened on sunday closes the doors ...
20:39 < rxr> cu soon
20:41 < valentin> cu rxr
20:43 < [lewellyn]> rxr: enjoy :)
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20:44 < morfoh> hi all
20:44 < [lewellyn]> morning morfoh
20:44 < sepp> hi morfoh
20:45 < valentin> hi morfoh
20:45 < morfoh> good morning sepp + [lewellyn] ;)
21:11 < rxr> re
21:20 < [lewellyn]> http://evilurl.com/titANALTITTY
21:20 < rxr> hi morfoh - is your reg tester running right now ?
21:20 < [lewellyn]> how was food?
21:21 < rxr> just got some ingredients - still need to much the bread and those together
21:21 < rxr> when was the canada F1 grand prix ? ,-)
21:22 < [lewellyn]> dunno, but you're heading out?
21:25 < rxr> no - just talking about my evening dinner planing in front of a X-window displaying the race ,_)
21:25 < rxr> lewellyn-: I need to finish a T2@Live article this evening - thus no beer drinking outside ...
21:25 < [lewellyn]> ah
21:25 < [lewellyn]> by out, i meant out to canada
21:28 < rxr> lewellyn-: hehe - no the race is this evening - maybe even already running ... ,-)
21:28 < morfoh> rxr: no ... the ref build machine freezed :(
21:29 < valentin> rxr: grand prix is over
21:29 < rxr> I guessed form the dates - thus link to yours not included in the mail to the gcc list ..
21:29 < rxr> valentin: ouhm ...
21:29 < [lewellyn]> iirc, there's some big motorcycle race local to me
21:29 < rxr> who won? where was msc?
21:29 < [lewellyn]> a bunch of people have been heading out here
21:29 < valentin> msc and barichello placed 2&3 due to overnormal luck
21:30 < rxr> hahaha ...
21:30 < rxr> guess they have been overnormally lucky after on ,-)
21:30 < valentin> 3 cars in front of them had a damage, and montoya was disqualified
21:30 < rxr> s/lucky/happy/
21:30 < valentin> baricello drove quite good, though
21:30 < valentin> he started from the last place
21:31 < valentin> msc started second and finished second
21:31 < valentin> winner was kimi raikonnen
21:32 < valentin> http://www.formel1.de/index.php?id=46&news_id=1642&start=&search=
21:34 < rxr> well - then i could take a look what mindless politicans say over @ sabine christiansen
21:41 < valentin> hm, rsync still running
21:43 < rxr> this time you get 100MB due to open offiec and friends
21:43 < rxr> the ISO size increased significantly ...
21:43 < rxr> and I run an own rsync, too ...
21:43 < valentin> and i guess there few identical parts in the binary
21:44 < rxr> oh there are many differnces - just 100MB more due to ooo mozilla and friends
21:45 < valentin> who is gerald pfeifer ?
21:45 < rxr> gcc folks
21:46 < [lewellyn]> rxr: i'll rsync when everyone else is done :)
21:47 < rxr> sabine c. might be interesting
21:53 < valentin> what is on christiansen ?
21:56 < rxr> the usual current spd split and political changes discussion ...
21:56 < sepp> so all are talking who has the best neolib. ideas?
21:57 < valentin> well, this fall we will have neolib+neocon
21:58 < sepp> yeah use could always be much worse
21:58 < sepp> it not use
21:58 < [lewellyn]> if you're talking politician, please take ours :P
21:58 < [lewellyn]> wait. no.
21:59 < [lewellyn]> that'll bring them physicallly closer to their dreams
21:59 < valentin> i wonder if it would be tactically clever to vote FDP if it becomes clear that opposition will win
22:00 < sepp> i wonder if i will make again a cross as big as the paper
22:00 < valentin> i am tempted to do that, too
22:00 < valentin> but i fear too much of an absolute 50% majority for CDU
22:01 < rxr> well - the usla [X] /me cross should do as well ,-)
22:02 < sepp> it is really like sausage
22:23 < CIA-7> sebastian * r9643 /trunk/package/multimedia/jahshaka/ (. jahshaka.cache jahshaka.conf jahshaka.desc): * added jahshaka (1.9a9)
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22:27 < sepp> so should i render a free glue thing ok was it just good for a joke?
22:28 < sepp> i dont know if this would be ok for promo ...
22:28 < sepp> or
22:28 < valentin> sepp: i would take it as picture for some material
22:28 < valentin> but we need an official logo first
22:28 < valentin> to put on the tube
22:28 < sepp> yes
22:29 < sepp> *gruebel*
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22:36 < sepp> hmm i found the glue idea funny - i will make a glue tube and add a logo/texture later
22:38 < sepp> but i have no real idea for a logo right now :(
22:45 < rxr> http://cdu.harz.de/uploads/RTEmagicP_schulden.jpg
22:46 < rxr> schuldenentwicklung bundesrepublik deutschland
22:46 < rxr> Eine interessante Grafik zur Entwicklung des Schuldenstandes von Bund, L?ndern und Gemeinden. Die Grafik stammt aus dem Bundesfinanzministerium und dem Statistischen Bundesamt.
22:47 < rxr> ^- just a bit cut n paste to raise the google hit for it and us a bit ,-)
22:48 < sepp> ohh harz.xxx would give a much better ranking i guess :)
22:48 < rxr> hehe
22:48 < rxr> http://www.sgipt.org/politpsy/finanz/schuldp/kohlh.htm
22:49 < rxr> ^- Das Schulden-Portr?t Helmut Kohl Ministerpr?sident Rheinland-Pfalz - Deutscher Bundeskanzle
22:49 < rxr> ok - my bookmark foled named t2-irc-log is filled ,-)
22:49 < rxr> folder even ...
22:49 < valentin> so everyone in .de has to pay 14.000 Euro and we are rid of our depts
22:51 < rxr> yeah - would you ?
22:53 < valentin> if i had 14.000 Euro to donate, i would give them to someone who really needs them
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22:54 < [lewellyn]> only 14,000?
22:55 * [lewellyn] wonders what our debt is up to here
22:55 < [lewellyn]> rxr: how's the saturation? should i rsync the livecd now or wait?
22:57 < valentin> [lewellyn]: you must not be worried about your depts as long as whole south-east asia pays for them to couple their currencies at the dollar.
22:57 < morfoh> valentin: ack
22:57 < valentin> ah, and i forgot saudi arabia
22:58 < [lewellyn]> valentin: i wonder how we got the debts in the first place... :/
22:58 < valentin> just guess what one cruise missile costs
22:58 < valentin> and multiply by the number that detonated in the iraq
22:59 < morfoh> valentin: and "Star Wars" aka. "NMD" I think
22:59 < [lewellyn]> i know how much a bolt costs... and an idea how many we have in our equipment :(
23:00 < rxr> sepp: my girlfriend (who did not like the last grub slpash) likes your glue idea ,-)
23:00 < sepp> good ;)
23:01 < [lewellyn]> http://cgi.cs.indiana.edu/~oracle/bestof.cgi?N=1351-1375
23:01 < [lewellyn]> #1371-05 :)
23:05 < valentin> :)
23:05 < sepp> rxr: if we all agree on something i would like to make some nice graphics
23:06 < rxr> yep - and first we need some ideas ..
23:06 < rxr> s far I like the puzzle pieces most - but they do not necessary form a good logo ..
23:07 < rxr> we would need s.th. uniqu tha compears with the SuSE, RedHat, Debian, Gentoo, ... logos and stands out of the mass in some uniqe way - all not that easy ,-)
23:08 < sepp> i like the unbuntu logo
23:08 < rxr> this naked asses ?
23:08 < sepp> yes
23:08 < rxr> http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/images/3ubuntu.jpg
23:08 < sepp> but i never saw naked anything there
23:09 < rxr> then you missed the above paste from:
23:09 < rxr> t2-2005-06-10:15:21 < morfoh>
23:09 < valentin> ubunto has many sex pictures
23:10 < rxr> http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=ubuntu&btnG=Search
23:10 < rxr> sex sells
23:10 < sepp> *ROTFL*
23:11 < [lewellyn]> yes, t2 should have something racy...
23:11 < [lewellyn]> like a almost nude woman in a race car
23:11 < sepp> but puzzle parts make no logo at all
23:13 < sepp> you know the bmw logo?
23:13 < [lewellyn]> i'll talk to my g/f over dinner tonite :)
23:13 < sepp> the car ...
23:13 < valentin> looks to bavarian
23:13 < [lewellyn]> she's good at logo design, having done it enough times
23:13 < rxr> ok - so we pick a playboy with some F1 pilot and some sexy woman and print T2 over it ?
23:13 < sepp> no i just ask if you understand the bmw story
23:13 < [lewellyn]> rxr: pretty much
23:13 < [lewellyn]> ;)
23:13 < [lewellyn]> sepp: no
23:14 < [lewellyn]> americans don't learn history ;)
23:14 < sepp> lewellyn-: but you know the logo?
23:15 < rxr> http://www.finnie.org/stuff/ubuntu-porn/
23:15 < rxr> uhm
23:15 < rxr> my god
23:16 < sepp> ok if there is any chance to see porn in anything i will drop the idea :)
23:16 < [lewellyn]> sepp: yes, i know the logo.
23:16 < [lewellyn]> it's everywhere
23:16 < [lewellyn]> sepp: not porn, just the idea of it! :)
23:16 < rxr> http://www.finnie.org/stuff/ubuntu-porn/ubuntu-calendar-october.png
23:16 < sepp> lewellyn-: what does it mean?
23:16 < [lewellyn]> sepp: the logo? no clue
23:17 < sepp> the blue white thing
23:17 < rxr> is ubuntu by any means promoting to have two womans per man? a white and a black one *g* =
23:17 < rxr> ?`even
23:17 < sepp> it is a rotor
23:17 < sepp> of a plane
23:17 < [lewellyn]> sepp: no idea. i've never understood the mercedes-benz logo either.
23:18 < sepp> lewellyn-: bmw logo a rotor infront of blue heaven
23:18 < [lewellyn]> rxr: perhaps get the average geek to associate "T2" with "2 Female Upper Body" parts through creative marketing, where you never actually show or say it? :)
23:18 < sepp> lol
23:18 < [lewellyn]> sepp: i'll believe you :)
23:18 < rxr> *ggrrrrrrrr*
23:19 < rxr> http://www.ubuntu.xxx
23:19 < sepp> i would prefer a tux with 2 foods
23:19 < sepp> feets?
23:19 < [lewellyn]> wait. you can already get xxx domains?
23:19 < [lewellyn]> does not resolve here.
23:20 < rxr> lewellyn-: it does not resolve here either - it was just a joke ...
23:20 < rxr> but maybe we can money out of it? register anyone??
23:20 < sepp> for $60.000 ?
23:21 < [lewellyn]> my usual registrar isn't doing .xxx yet :(
23:21 < sepp> so no xxx.xxx.xxx today :)
23:22 < rxr> hahaha
23:22 < [lewellyn]> sepp: that's one i want to try to pre-register
23:22 < [lewellyn]> but i can't find anyplace to do so :(
23:23 < sepp> lol i guess if you preregister xxx.xxx.xxx you never need to work again
23:25 < [lewellyn]> that's the thought! :)
23:25 < [lewellyn]> i have a few of those i want to squat on :)
23:25 < [lewellyn]> i missed .com/.net/.org sqatting
23:26 < [lewellyn]> i thought it was just people being silly at the time
23:29 < rxr> some quick comments - next live release - 2.2.0-gamma - code name "life's a beach" (or so) or "la la" ?
23:29 < sepp> hmm i have to sleep now - maybe i find any non xxx idea ...
23:30 < sepp> "life's a roller coaster"
23:31 < sepp> good night all
23:31 < rxr> n8 sepp
23:31 < [lewellyn]> sleep well
23:36 < rxr> well - I think I stick with life's a beach for now - symbolizing how nice the T2 Live CD is ...
23:37 < valentin> n8 sepp
23:37 < [lewellyn]> hehe. girl in a bikini! :)
23:38 < rxr> valentin: what do you think changing the default kde panel on the live cd to be centered in the middle and only 66% of the desktop width - expanding on need ?
23:38 < rxr> I kinda like that
23:39 < valentin> like apple ?
23:39 < rxr> no - like cde
23:40 < valentin> i prefer auto-hiding
23:40 < valentin> so i do not care about size
23:40 < rxr> yeah - I too - but that would waste cpu cycles in the already slow emulators - and might confuse too newbie users
23:40 < valentin> wow - i can test my live cd
23:40 < rxr> finsihed ?
23:40 < rxr> rsync that is ?
23:41 < valentin> can you give me md5 ?
23:41 < [lewellyn]> mmm kde acting as cde
23:41 < [lewellyn]> i love the irony :)
23:42 < [lewellyn]> sync should be done in a moment or two :)
23:42 < rxr> 81908d7af86b0bd88dd4b9f4101e080e t2.iso
23:43 < valentin> ok
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23:46 < rxr> oh - cool - what I dictated about T2@Live in ViaVoice are 4 pages!
23:46 < rxr> I did not imagine it would be that much - cool
23:46 < rxr> I need to get natuarlly speaking running in Wine ... - damnit
23:46 < [lewellyn]> my rsync has been at 99% forever :(
23:47 < rxr> hi sparc-kly
23:47 < [lewellyn]> hoi sparc-kly
23:48 < [lewellyn]> 669241111 99% 864.87kB/s 0:00:06
23:48 < [lewellyn]> long long 6 seconds :(
23:48 < rxr> hehe
23:49 < [lewellyn]> still like another 10 mb to snarf, right?
23:49 < rxr> 675158016
23:50 < [lewellyn]> wow. so it got smaller
23:50 < [lewellyn]> total size is 675211264 speedup is 6.26
23:50 < [lewellyn]> that was yesterday
23:51 < rxr> I might have included some temp files I forgot to wipe ...
23:51 < [lewellyn]> oh :)
23:51 < rxr> so the new ones despite changes and such is not bigger ...
23:51 < [lewellyn]> well, it was a huge rsync yesterday
23:51 < [lewellyn]> wrote 167642 bytes read 107695801 bytes 15907.89 bytes/sec
23:52 < rxr> .oO
23:52 < [lewellyn]> i think today's will take longer and be smaller :/
23:52 < rxr> I forgot to include netconf HEAD in the squashfs - I get crazzy - damn
23:52 < [lewellyn]> wrote 182006 bytes read 3402665 bytes 3329.93 bytes/sec
23:52 < [lewellyn]> total size is 675158016 speedup is 188.35
23:52 < [lewellyn]> wee!
23:52 < [lewellyn]> rxr: so there's a new one on its way?
23:53 < rxr> if I decide to requash it it will only differ in a few bytes
23:53 < rxr> and only in the german translation of netconf wich you do not care about anyway I think
23:53 < [lewellyn]> well, i'd still need to not burn this one to cd-rw :)
23:53 < rxr> so go for it ,-)
23:53 < [lewellyn]> not really :)
23:54 < lewellyn-> ok. time to shut down the live cd that's currently running :)
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23:58 < lewellyn> i wonder why the livecd won't boot when i'm in "combination" mode...
23:59 < rxr> "combination" whta ?
23:59 < rxr> what even ?
23:59 < lewellyn> as my sata mode.
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