--- Log opened Tue Jun 14 00:00:00 2005 00:03 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.51] has joined #t2 00:04 < keinek> two mnemoc 00:04 < keinek> wuauau 00:05 < morfoh> keinek: we've to take care now ;) 00:05 * morfoh hides 00:06 < keinek> dont worry both are away 00:06 < keinek> :) 00:06 < keinek> i was looking for the games of t2. 00:07 < morfoh> keinek: but, what is displayed is another story ;) 00:07 < rxr> re 00:07 < keinek> but all appear be update. 00:08 < rxr> ,-) 00:08 < morfoh> rxr: update script works good :) 00:10 < rxr> yep - though I think most games have been up-to-date before ... 00:10 < rxr> keinek: maybe go and add some new ones ,-) 00:11 < keinek> ok 00:11 < keinek> i do. 00:12 < morfoh> rxr: I've started an embedded "ref" build on rc1 already ... I will add sth. like a embedded Firewall target soon ... 00:13 < _Lewellyn> someone pinged me? 00:14 < morfoh> Hi _Lewellyn ... who ? 00:14 < _Lewellyn> irssi indicated so, but i can't find it. 00:14 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.34] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:31 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.8.48] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:31 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.13.213] has joined #t2 00:34 < rxr> re 00:35 < _Lewellyn> re 00:35 < rxr> morfoh: there is this router/firewall thing - maybe unite with madtux to resurrect it ... 00:35 < rxr> hi _Lewellyn 00:35 < CIA-7> rene * r9655 /trunk/package/x11-ng/cairo/cairo.desc: * updated cairo (0.4.0 -> 0.5.0) 00:38 < rxr> anyone willing to test writing to: 00:38 < rxr> ec-outpost.dyndns.org/write 00:38 < rxr> via ftp and http ? 00:38 < _Lewellyn> yay google news. they, of course, have the block of articles about the jackson acquittal... 00:38 < rxr> some gentooer is not able to do so 00:38 < rxr> konquerer, ncftp and gftp work fine here via ftp 00:38 < _Lewellyn> it is followed by: Viagra May Treat Rare Lung Disease in Kids 00:41 < _Lewellyn> 550 Uploading not permitted here! 00:42 < _Lewellyn> that is what i get 00:42 < _Lewellyn> nm 00:42 < _Lewellyn> forgot to cd 00:42 < _Lewellyn> upload worked fine with ftp on osx 00:43 < _Ragnar_> re 00:44 < _Lewellyn> re _Ragnar_ 00:44 < _Ragnar_> rxr: Creating file list and doing final adaptions ... 00:44 < _Ragnar_> Created file outside basedir: /lib/modules/2.4.21-rc1-rock/modules.dep 00:44 < _Ragnar_> Created file outside basedir: /lib/modules/2.4.21-rc1-rock/modules.generic_string 00:44 < _Ragnar_> ... 00:44 < _Ragnar_> Created file outside basedir: /lib/modules/2.4.21-rc1-rock/modules.usbmap 00:44 < _Ragnar_> base #1: /export/t2-trunk 00:44 < _Ragnar_> base #2: /export/t2-trunk/build/soekris-2.2.0-alpha-x86-embedded 00:44 < _Ragnar_> --- BUILD ERROR --- 00:45 < rxr> ouhm - yep someone else saw this lately 00:45 < rxr> _Lewellyn: oh - you have a mac ,-) thanks for the test 00:45 < rxr> _Lewellyn: any PR news from your gril ? 00:46 < _Lewellyn> she won't have free time for a few weeks :( 00:46 < _Lewellyn> i'm going to try to get her to stop in tomorrow. 00:46 < _Lewellyn> she has no time today 00:46 < _Lewellyn> and she has a mac. i just ssh over to my screen :) 00:47 < rxr> valentin: are you awake ? 00:48 < _Lewellyn> rxr: for reference, osx makes for a decent bsd box :) 00:50 < valentin> rxr: not really 00:50 < rxr> _Lewellyn: I don't really think so ... 00:51 < rxr> _Lewellyn: I'm on an iBook right now as well - but in Linux 00:51 < rxr> T2 Linxu flavour 00:51 < rxr> we even do commercial stuff for OSX - and I have to admit it is not that mature 00:51 < valentin> rxr: what is it ? 00:51 < rxr> valentin: quick reading thru an t2-live.txt ? 00:51 < _Lewellyn> well, i compiled most of the software myself, and tend to do so on fbsd as well 00:52 < _Lewellyn> i don@t notice much difference when porting software to darwin/fbsd 00:53 < rxr> _Lewellyn: I meant the UI for day by day power-use ... 00:55 < _Lewellyn> oh. i use it as a unix box. 00:56 < rxr> I meant for what Apple sells those - UI experience for day for day office and graphic use ... 00:56 < _Lewellyn> i'm on my palm, sshed in right now. i rarely actually see the machine. 00:56 < rxr> well - better it is .. 00:56 < rxr> with the slow and annoying UI ... 00:56 < rxr> and these option-less power-less wanna be applications ... 00:57 < _Lewellyn> i only ever use osx when i need illustrator nowadays 00:57 < _Lewellyn> and i have always sucked with illo 00:58 < _Lewellyn> all the way back to ver 5 00:59 < _Lewellyn> anyway, back to work with me; lunch is over :( 00:59 < valentin> rxr: where is it ? 00:59 < rxr> well - or just go sleeping 01:00 < rxr> it is a low end article anyway .. 01:00 < rxr> I just send it in ... 01:00 < rxr> save your time for more precious stuff 01:00 < rxr> valentin: is kersting better today ? 01:01 < valentin> yes, a bit 01:01 < valentin> but she wants me to bring her to bed now 01:01 < rxr> yeah - then go with her - I just send the article in ... 01:03 < valentin> ok, cu 01:03 < rxr> cu 01:29 < rxr> ethirc.pl <- hehe 01:34 < _Lewellyn> nethirc, you mean? :) 01:34 < _Lewellyn> it's a great client 01:34 < _Lewellyn> i'd like to make a package for it at some point :) 01:49 -!- romonster [~romonster@romonster.bronze.supporter.pdpc] has joined #t2 01:52 < _Lewellyn> hoi ro :) 01:54 < romonster> hoi 02:06 < rxr> hi romonster 02:07 < romonster> hi 02:09 < _Lewellyn> ro's an artsy sort :) 02:10 < romonster> that depends what you mean by artsy :P 02:11 * rxr in bed - n8 all 02:13 < _Lewellyn> sleep well :) 02:13 < _Lewellyn> romonster: not a face painting mime :) 02:13 < _Lewellyn> romonster: good timing; joining as the channel finishes rolling up for the night ;) 02:14 < romonster> i do my best 02:16 -!- Postal [~Postal@ool-435627d0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2 02:16 < Postal> EXAMS ARE OVER 02:16 < Postal> ;-) 02:17 < _Lewellyn> yay! :) 02:17 < _Lewellyn> did you pass? :) 02:17 < Postal> of course 02:17 < Postal> does the new livecd support 64bit yet? 02:17 < _Lewellyn> not afaik 02:18 < _Lewellyn> wait, support, or is 64-bit? 02:18 < _Lewellyn> it boots fine on a em64t 02:18 < Postal> as in can i build a native 64 bit target 02:18 < _Lewellyn> VERY snappy user experience. 02:18 < _Lewellyn> oh. dunno. haven't tried :) 02:18 < Postal> we are going to find out 02:19 < _Lewellyn> well, if it works, i'll want to rsync a copy :) 02:19 < Postal> any serious errors been reported on amd64 in recent that would indicate a bad time for a base build? 02:20 < _Lewellyn> i've been hearing little of the way of problems at all; then again i'm not looking for them ;) 02:20 < Postal> _Lewellyn: is rene around? 02:20 < _Lewellyn> just went to bed 02:21 < Postal> aww thats to bad how bout mnemoc 02:21 < Postal> yeay 2 min away from live cd time 02:21 < _Lewellyn> idle for hours 02:22 < _Lewellyn> that was a quick build... 02:22 < Postal> no i am dl the live cd 02:22 < _Lewellyn> oh :) 02:22 < Postal> hmm im in freebsd i wonder what the best way to burn is 02:23 < _Lewellyn> cdrecord :) 02:23 < _Lewellyn> cdrtools 02:23 < _Lewellyn> whatever 02:23 < Postal> how to you use cdrecord from command line again 02:24 < Postal> i almost never use it,, 02:24 < _Lewellyn> dunno. i rarely burn discs at all 02:24 < Postal> lol me also 02:25 < Postal> ill figure it out\ 02:25 < _Lewellyn> there's bound to be a HOWTO :) 02:25 -!- Postal [~Postal@ool-435627d0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Client Exiting"] 02:30 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has joined #t2 02:31 < _Lewellyn> hoi sparc-kly 02:45 < sparc-kly> hi all 03:26 -!- Postal [~edinatux1@ool-435627d0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2 03:27 < Postal> the live cd is giving me problems 03:27 < Postal> im going to try and burn it again 03:28 < Postal> it does not boot the kernel, it just goes to a grub command prompt, but when i gave it the kernel location it came back with disk read error 03:42 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:51 < _Lewellyn> Postal: you are using sata, right? 03:51 < _Lewellyn> intel piix? 04:00 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFB468.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:00 < mnemoc> rehi 04:03 < _Lewellyn> rehi mnemoc 04:04 < mnemoc> did you run livecd on that machine? 04:15 < _Lewellyn> on mine? yes. 04:15 < _Lewellyn> i sent rene the issues. he seemed aware of most already. 04:16 < _Lewellyn> i still wish i could resolve the sata issue satisfactorily 05:04 -!- romonster [~romonster@romonster.bronze.supporter.pdpc] has left #t2 [] 05:26 < sepp_> moin 05:28 < _Lewellyn> how is? 05:29 < sepp_> tired 05:29 < sepp_> 5:30 here ... 05:29 < _Lewellyn> :( 05:29 < _Lewellyn> 2030 here 05:37 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has joined #t2 06:20 -!- Postal [~edinatux1@ool-435627d0.dyn.optonline.net] has left #t2 [] 06:38 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.254.13.213] has quit ["Abandonando"] 07:04 -!- Netsplit tolkien.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: sparc-kly[u5], jsaw, netrunner, valentin, SerWou, _Ragnar_, CIA-7, nzg, _Lewellyn, mtr_, (+2 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 07:05 -!- Netsplit over, joins: CIA-7, sparc-kly, netrunner, mtr_, sepp_, nzg, SerWou, _Lewellyn, valentin, _Ragnar_ (+2 more) 07:21 -!- _Lewellyn [ling@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 07:25 -!- _Lewellyn [~lewellyn@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #t2 07:39 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.210.55.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:09 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:09 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has joined #t2 09:09 < rxr> re 09:49 < rxr> Gr? 1/4 nder des Linux-Projekts Gentoo wechselt zu Microsoft Daniel Robbins, der Gr? 1/4 nder und fr? 1/4 here "Chef-Architekt" des Linux-Distributionsprojekts Gentoo, ist zu Microsoft gewechselt: 09:49 < rxr> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 09:49 < rxr> http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/60582 09:50 < rxr> Daniel Robbins accepts new position with Microsoft, finalizes transfer of Gentoo Technologies IP to the Gentoo Foundation 10:00 < rxr> http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/dvbt/ 10:15 < CIA-7> rene * r9656 /trunk/package/archiver/alien/alien.desc: * updated alien (8.52 -> 8.53) 10:24 -!- sparc-kly__ [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has joined #t2 10:24 < CIA-7> rene * r9657 /trunk/package/e17/imlib2/imlib2.desc: * updated imlib2 (1.2.0 -> 1.2.1) 10:24 < rxr> hi sparc-kly__ 10:24 * rxr driving home in a few seconds ... 10:24 < valentin> gento is evil... 10:24 < valentin> moin 10:25 < rxr> crap to crap I would say ... 10:26 < rxr> ok - cu - /me of to the home ... 10:38 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:50 < valentin> http://tagesschau.de/aktuell/meldungen/0,1185,OID4429584_TYP6_THE_NAV_REF1_BAB,00.html 10:58 -!- sparc-kly__ [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:59 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has joined #t2 11:04 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:04 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has joined #t2 11:05 < rxr> valentin: btw did you sent the bill to the linux intern for your network article sss 11:05 < rxr> ? even 11:06 < rxr> rehi ... 11:07 < rxr> http://golem.de/0506/38616.html 11:07 < rxr> ^- Xen 3.0 upcomming features 11:18 < CIA-7> rene * r9658 /trunk/package/e17/imlib2_loaders/imlib2_loaders.desc: * updated imlib2_loaders (1.2.0 -> 1.2.1) 11:28 < valentin> sss is ? 11:29 < valentin> nope, not yet 11:29 < valentin> have to buy a bed, cu 11:30 < rxr> ... 11:30 < rxr> valentin: I would write the bill some day ... 11:30 < rxr> sss is a sz when I do not press shift quickly enough ... 11:44 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:45 -!- sparc-kly__ [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has joined #t2 11:48 < CIA-7> rene * r9659 /trunk/package/multimedia/klear/klear.desc: * updated klear (0.1-alpha4 -> 0.1-rc2) 11:48 < CIA-7> rene * r9660 /trunk/package/base/mdadm/mdadm.desc: * updated mdadm (1.11.0 -> 1.12.0) 11:48 < rxr> http://forum.golem.de/read.php?4138,415849,415849#msg-415849# 11:56 < CIA-7> rene * r9661 /trunk/package/audio/alsa-driver/alsa-driver.desc: * updated alsa-driver (1.0.9a -> 1.0.9b) 11:57 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has joined #t2 11:57 -!- sparc-kly__ [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:59 < rxr> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=152611&cid=12808175 12:01 < CIA-7> rene * r9662 /trunk/package/base/coreutils/coreutils.conf: 12:01 < CIA-7> * compile coreutils with a less recent default POSIX conformance level 12:01 < CIA-7> so we fix a lot of regressions (some even failed silently) due to 12:01 < CIA-7> old Makefiles and configure scripts still using tail -N; head -M 12:01 < CIA-7> and so on (and we do not want to patch them all ...) 12:06 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:06 -!- sparc-kly__ [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has joined #t2 12:10 < rxr> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=152611&cid=12807880 12:13 < rxr> http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=152611&cid=12808266 12:13 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has joined #t2 12:13 -!- sparc-kly__ [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:15 < CIA-7> rene * r9663 /trunk/ (package/base/coreutils/coreutils.conf scripts/parse-config): 12:15 < CIA-7> * reverted r9662 - instead only set the posix conformance level inside 12:15 < CIA-7> the build, so users still get pedantic tools to create conforming 12:15 < CIA-7> scripts ,-) 12:18 < rxr> hm - I think a manual download vmware kernel postlinux kernel module build would make sense ... 12:37 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:38 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has joined #t2 12:42 -!- sparc-kly__ [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has joined #t2 12:42 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 12:45 < CIA-7> rene * r9664 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/parse-config: 12:45 < CIA-7> * reworked sparc64 32bit user-space code to me more functional (minimal 12:45 < CIA-7> now mostly built ...) 13:05 < jsaw> hi there 13:05 < rxr> hi jsaw 13:05 < jsaw> hi rxr 13:06 < jsaw> have you read this: gentoo-founder goes m$...? 13:11 < rxr> yeap - posted links here .. 13:12 < rxr> on slashdot someone posted he was high in debs and has failed to make money with Gentoo or so - that is also why he got disant from it since over a year ... 13:13 < rxr> according to that posted 13:13 < rxr> links is somewhere above 13:13 < jsaw> oh, so it was his full time job... that's hard of course. 13:29 < rxr> how is your new flat and your paper doing ? 13:31 < jsaw> flat is almost fine; paper, ...? have to reactivate my brain before I can answer this... 13:40 < rxr> reactivate? what did you do to deactivate it *g ? 13:40 < jsaw> labor... 13:55 < rxr> ok - 2 o'clock ... 13:56 < rxr> what is on my todays TODO aside the golem news I and sparc rinkgin ... ;-) 13:56 -!- morfoh [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 13:56 < rxr> hey ho morfoh 13:56 < morfoh> hey rxr :) 13:56 < rxr> s/rinkgin/tinkering/ ,-) 13:56 < rxr> first freshing tea ,-) 13:58 < morfoh> I've found an interesting thing -> http://maxrelax.de/~tknop/diet-router.html 13:58 < morfoh> rxr: including a dietlibc patch for iptables 14:00 < morfoh> but the dietlibc related gcc patches within T2 don't apply anymore 14:00 * morfoh away for some minutes 14:01 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0506/38626.html 14:06 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.213.88.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 14:06 < sepp> hi 14:06 < valentin> hi all 14:07 < sepp> hi valentin 14:08 < rxr> hi valentin 14:08 < CIA-7> rene * r9665 /trunk/architecture/sparc64/parse-config: 14:08 < CIA-7> * removed tiny thinko in sparc64/parse-config to not build gcc 14:08 < CIA-7> as pure 32bit applications, but as 64bit compiler and let the 14:08 < CIA-7> multilib build support build a 32 and 64 bit version of each library 14:08 < rxr> hi sepp 14:08 < valentin> hi sepp, rxr 14:08 < sepp> hi rxr 14:13 < rxr> valentin: I call you shortly ? 14:13 < valentin> ok 14:14 < morfoh> hi valentin + sepp :) 14:15 < valentin> hi morpho 14:15 < sepp> hello morfoh 14:15 < sepp> are you a little blue butterfly? 14:18 < sepp> http://www.mexicodesconocido.com.mx/espanol/naturaleza/fauna/mariposa_morfo_vuelo_azul_en_el_tropico_mexicano_1.jpg 14:22 < morfoh> sepp: oh! this butterfly is called morfoh ? 14:23 < sepp> yes 14:23 < sepp> or morpho 14:24 < sepp> pkg_foo_pre.conf runs after foo is extracted already? 14:37 < rxr> oehm? 14:37 < rxr> extracted? 14:38 < rxr> no - it should run when the config is parsed 14:38 < rxr> thus before the build_this_packag function extracts it later on 14:38 < sepp> ahh thanks 14:40 < morfoh> rxr: do we have some naming conventions regarding foo while running Config -cfg foo for officially distributed desktop iso's ? 14:41 < rxr> well - only the ISO name 14:41 < rxr> it should be t2-$target-$ver 14:41 < rxr> err 14:41 < rxr> it should be t2-$target-$ver-$arch-$opt 14:42 < rxr> e.g. t2-desktop-2.1.0-beta3-pentium-mmx 14:45 < morfoh> rxr: but atm we've t2-$ver-$arch-$opt-$target 14:46 < morfoh> at least in in the build dir 14:46 < rxr> the build dir does not matter at all for me 14:50 < rxr> ouhm - larget than 19" TFT are still a bit expensive ... 14:54 < morfoh> rxr: what do I have to rebuild if I enable gcj support afterwards on a target ? 14:55 < rxr> I would only rebuild gcc ... 14:55 < morfoh> I think we've to enable it in config.in on the desktop target ... because the bdb*-java things still fail 14:55 < rxr> yeah ... 14:56 < morfoh> I test it right now ... if it will solve the problem 14:56 < rxr> that or add jikes if I followed mnemoc storries well enough 14:56 < morfoh> hmmm ... I just set SDECFG_PKG_GCC_JAVA=1 atm 14:59 < rxr> hmmm - to they place gold in the 21" LCDs ? 14:59 < rxr> why are they so damn expensive - still ... ? 15:00 < morfoh> rxr: what display type/manufacturer do you prefer ? 15:02 < rxr> no idea yet ... 15:02 < rxr> Eizo or IBM or so ? 15:03 < sepp> hmm you better buy 2 19" tft's 15:03 < rxr> sepp: yeah - that is what the price indicates ... 15:04 < morfoh> rxr: can we take a look over the not applying dietlibc patches for gcc today ... ? 15:05 < sepp> is it ok if i make a xorg option for the 2d unichrome driver? 15:06 < sepp> menu ... 15:06 < rxr> what kind of option ? 15:06 < rxr> morfoh: for gcc? 15:06 < sepp> a config.in thing to build xorg but use the other unichrome driver 15:07 < sepp> i tested 2 notebooks with this chip xorg does not work on them :( 15:07 < rxr> you mean the sourceforge hosted via code drop in addition to the in X via driver ? 15:07 < sepp> as exchange 15:07 < sepp> yes 15:08 < rxr> well - I think most of the code is already in X.org CVS, is it ? 15:08 < sepp> yes 15:08 < sepp> they sync from time to time 15:08 < rxr> it would be ok with me to add a "big" x.org via CVS patch 15:09 < rxr> I already have this for radeon (for full functionality on PowerPC) 15:09 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... there are some gcc patches for dietlibc in our repo ... but they don't apply atm. while trying to build an embedded dietlibc target 15:09 < rxr> hm 15:09 < rxr> morfoh: ok - I review (and urgently need to setup an own set of regression trackers for this) 15:11 < sepp> rxr: xorg only or unichrome.sf.net, they fixed some more things that are not in the xorg cvs 15:11 < morfoh> rxr: indeed that would be quite helpful ;) 15:11 < morfoh> rxr: have you seen my link for that diet-router thing above ? 15:11 < morfoh> rxr: they have included an iptables patch for dietlibc 15:12 < rxr> sepp: okok - then use the sf.net code ,-) 15:12 < rxr> morfoh: yep - saw it 15:12 * morfoh shortly away 15:13 < morfoh> rxr: ok 15:17 < sepp> i have to leave no - cu 15:18 < rxr> cu sepp 15:44 < rxr> hint for wine use: 15:44 < rxr> do not mess with your .wine 15:44 < rxr> just run wineprefixcreate for the first run and it will do most of the work itself ... 16:01 < mnemoc> moin 16:02 < mnemoc> Error logs from desktop-2.1.0-rc1-x86-pentium4-desktop: 16:02 < mnemoc> [5] mail/spamassassin 16:02 < mnemoc> 669 builds total, 444 completed fine, 1 with errors. 16:02 < mnemoc> hi rxr, morfoh 16:02 < mnemoc> morfoh: how are your desktops going? 16:03 < morfoh> oh hi mnemoc :) 16:03 < mnemoc> hi :) 16:03 < morfoh> yes ... the bdb*-java stuff still failed 16:03 < morfoh> because it complained about gcj support 16:04 < morfoh> I enabled SDECFG_PKG_GCC_JAVA=1 localy but it didn't fixt it so far 16:04 < morfoh> checking if gcj -C works... yes 16:04 < morfoh> checking for jar... jar 16:04 < morfoh> checking for java... no 16:04 < morfoh> checking for kaffe... no 16:04 < morfoh> configure: error: no acceptable Java virtual machine found in $PATH 16:04 < morfoh> Due to previous errors, no 5-bdb-java.log file! 16:05 < mnemoc> uhm 16:05 < mnemoc> no java @ desktop 16:05 < mnemoc> :) 16:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: yep 16:05 < mnemoc> i think kaffe is better than gcj 16:05 < morfoh> what package(s) should be included 16:05 < mnemoc> just kaffe i guess 16:05 < morfoh> ok ... let's see 16:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, did you noticed the earthquake in chile yesterday ? 16:08 < mnemoc> on the north, yes 16:10 < valentin> moin mnemoc 16:11 < rxr> hi mnemoc 16:11 < mnemoc> moin valentin, rxr 16:12 < morfoh> mnemoc: kaffe needs jikes ? 16:13 < mnemoc> morfoh: recommended, but it has it's own javac 16:13 < morfoh> checking for library containing sem_init... none required 16:13 < morfoh> checking for jikes... no 16:13 < morfoh> checking whether to use jikes... configure: error: No jikes compiler found. It is required to build Kaffe's class library. Recommended is jikes version 1.21 or higher. 16:13 < mnemoc> :p 16:14 < morfoh> :P 16:14 < mnemoc> it is required now :) 16:17 -!- Postal [~live@ool-435627d0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2 16:17 < Postal> Hey all 16:17 < morfoh> Hi Postal 16:17 < Postal> rene you around? 16:17 < Postal> hi morfoh 16:17 < mnemoc> hi Postal 16:18 < Postal> my exams are finally over 16:18 < Postal> does the new livecd support a native build of the x86_64 target? 16:19 < mnemoc> .oO 16:19 < rxr> Postal: well - I still have not all the code used to build the live cd target in the live cd target ... 16:19 < rxr> but in theory our x86_64 support should be fully mature now 16:19 < Postal> rxr: will i have to cross compile first? 16:20 < rxr> best give it a try on a system build 16:20 < rxr> "in theory" not ... 16:20 < rxr> best stress the build system to uncover bugs ,-) 16:20 < Postal> rxr: you mean i should use a host system that is not the live cd to build t2 or i should try and use the live cd to build t2? 16:20 < rxr> the only thing in the biarch support that needs fixing is to get libstdc++ build with multiarch support 16:20 < rxr> however this is only important for sparc64 - and not for x86-64 ... 16:21 < rxr> Postal: use your current system to build t2 ,-) 16:21 < valentin> rxr: what do you guess, how long will kde* build on my iBook ? 16:21 < rxr> valentin: *long* 16:21 < rxr> the basiscs over a day I think 16:21 < sparc-kly__> 25 hrs 16:21 < Postal> rxr: i am using fedora core 4 and it uses gcc 4.0 is that ok? 16:21 < rxr> ouhm 16:21 < valentin> rxr, sparc-kly__ : i'll take the bets :) 16:22 < rxr> wel - tough 4.0 is not really stabel - try it 16:22 < rxr> red hat is know to ship cr*p ... 16:22 < Postal> rxr: ok, i actually have to install the Fedora Core the cds are sitting on my desk so ill get round to it in a bit 16:22 < rxr> I would not use gcc-4.x as system compiler until 4.0.1 - maybe even later ... 16:23 < Postal> rxr: well 4.0 will only be used to build t2's build toolchain, and then your version of gcc will be used for the actual build correct? 16:23 < morfoh> mnemoc: so far it looks good after adding jikes+kaffe to the desktop target ;) 16:24 < Postal> i have to go and take my bro to a doctors apointment ill be back in 2 hours then ill svn up and start the build 16:24 -!- Postal is now known as Postal|Out 16:24 < mnemoc> morfoh: i'll commit that to the target then 16:25 < rxr> valentin: remove the kdelibs or kdebase hal patch before you emerge 16:25 < rxr> it does not apply and I have not yet review if it is fully merged into the 3.4.1 release ... 16:29 < valentin> rxr, ok - thx 16:31 < valentin> what was the syntax again to merge a whole repository ? 16:32 < rxr> Emerge -repository kde 16:34 < rxr> hm - the Linux INTERN CD with suse and knoppix does not appear to like to boot on my Pentium MMX 233 16:34 < rxr> both the class T2 install as well as the Live boots on it ... 16:36 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.213.88.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:37 < CIA-7> amery * r9666 /tags/2.1.0-rc1/target/desktop/config.in: * added kaffe and jikes to desktop target, needed by bdb*-java and audacity 16:37 < rxr> mnemoc: do you also add it in branches/2.1 and trunk ? 16:37 < mnemoc> rxr: sure 16:38 < mnemoc> rxr: i have 323 commits 'unread' to be merged or tested and merged. 16:38 < mnemoc> rxr: did you grab my minimal iso from my rsync:// ? 16:39 < rxr> maybe I promose to rm -rf the misc/*x* fonts? 16:39 < rxr> they only seem to cause problems ... 16:39 < rxr> mnemoc: nope 16:39 < rxr> is it final? then I grab it ... 16:40 < mnemoc> rxr: minimal, yes. it is 16:40 < rxr> I rm -rf all the rock releases on the server - no space left ... 16:40 < CIA-7> chris * r9667 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * added jikes, kaffe to the desktop target, to fix bdb-java, bdb33-java and audacity builds 16:40 < mnemoc> rxr: desktop is the delayed 16:41 < rxr> mnemoc: merging the _POSIX* thing I did this morning should be pretty safe and fix issues in packages ... 16:41 < mnemoc> rxr: runtime? 16:41 < rxr> yes - one env var in the build env 16:42 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.214.211.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 16:42 < mnemoc> rxr: what packages should i rebuild after the merge? 16:42 < rxr> none 16:43 < rxr> for the release 16:43 < rxr> it fixes stuff that silently failed to detect or incompletely build 16:43 < rxr> due to tali -N and friends not supoprted 16:43 < rxr> I noticed in a multilib sparc64 build issue in gcc itself ... 16:43 < mnemoc> oh 16:43 < mnemoc> ok 16:43 < rxr> but those are all minor stuff 16:44 < rxr> we had this for over a year and so far no issue that we noticed 16:44 < mnemoc> rc2 then? 16:44 < rxr> but I think it is a nice to have - yes -rc2 is enough 16:44 < rxr> the env relaxes handling of tail and friends to allow -N syntax in the build 16:44 < rxr> so we do not have to patch the hundred and more ramining locatoins where it is used 16:44 < morfoh> rxr: hmmm ... tried to create a new dietlibc patches for gcc ... but it don't work :/ 16:44 < rxr> I first patched coreutils - but noticed it is a bad idea to allow T2 users to use the obsolete syntax 16:45 < rxr> just allowing it in the build should eb well enough 16:45 < mnemoc> rxr: for rc2, should i try a reference with merged gcc, glibc and dietlibc? 16:45 < rxr> mnemoc: do not merge dietlibc 16:45 < mnemoc> ok 16:45 < mnemoc> glibc? 16:45 < rxr> the new dietlibc does not build on x86-64 due to ICE in gcc ... 16:45 < rxr> yes - glibc is fine 16:46 * netrunner now measuring the quality of software here by counting question marks in comments. 16:46 < netrunner> *grusel* IF (0=1) THEN DO /*???CHANGE TO 0=1 */ 16:47 < mnemoc> /*????*/ is worse than /*???*/ on QA? pff 16:48 < rxr> netrunner: then the assembler fragments I posted over the weekend form a commrcial windows driver are for you ... ,-) 16:51 < rxr> netrunner: guess how funny ; ???? comments are in assembly files .. 16:51 < rxr> (and why would not trust any vendor provided binary only dirver in any OS - be it Windows or Linux ...) 16:52 < rxr> and why Windows is not to be trusted at all due to the base uppon such questionable binary junk 16:52 < netrunner> rxr: well, in this case I would love not to have the source because then I would just open a ticket.# 16:55 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.220.58.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 16:58 < Postal|Out> rene you*-+around? 16:58 < rxr> yep 16:59 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.214.211.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:07 -!- sepp [~sepp@213.54.223.43] has joined #t2 17:24 -!- rxr_ [rene@e178182019.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 17:24 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 TAGGED - official .iso creation in progress | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 17:24 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005] 17:24 [Users #t2] 17:24 [ _Lewellyn] [ mnemoc ] [ nzg ] [ sepp ] [ valentin] 17:24 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ morfoh ] [ Postal|Out] [ SerWou ] 17:24 [ CIA-7 ] [ mtr_ ] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly[u5]] 17:24 [ jsaw ] [ netrunner] [ rxr_ ] [ sparc-kly__ ] 17:24 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 17 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 17 normal] 17:24 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 17:24 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 17:25 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs 17:32 -!- rxr [rene@e178171040.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:41 < CIA-7> chris * r9668 /trunk/package/develop/trac/trac.desc: * updated trac (0.8 -> 0.8.2) 17:45 -!- sparc-kly__ is now known as sparc-kly 17:54 < CIA-7> amery * r9669 /branches/2.1/target/desktop/config.in: * merged 9666 from 2.1.0-rc1: added kaffe and jikes to desktop target, needed by bdb*-java and audacity 18:10 < morfoh> rxr_: do you have time to take a short look at the gcc patches for dietlibc ? Our patches are made for 3.2.3 18:11 < rxr_> ... 18:11 < rxr_> I take the look now 18:11 < rxr_> morfoh: how to reproduce? normal embedded+dietlibc ? 18:12 < valentin> !> pkgprefix: arts record is old, please rebuild 18:12 < valentin> grummel... 18:13 < mnemoc> :) 18:13 < morfoh> rxr_: yes ... I choosed embedded + dietlibc 18:13 < mnemoc> rxr_: what do you think about adding Config -oldconfig to Emerge, and _old_ emerge X packages? 18:14 < rxr_> you mean emerge anything installed but updated ? 18:14 < valentin> and arts failed because of !> pkgprefix: openldap record is old, please rebuild 18:15 < mnemoc> rxr_: no, update config/$cfg/ before emerging 18:15 < rxr_> vi /var/adm/package/openldap 18:15 < rxr_> insert: 18:15 < rxr_> Prefix: usr 18:15 < rxr_> I think 18:15 < mnemoc> :) 18:18 < mnemoc> i have forgotten how beatyful misc/archive/compare.sh was :) 18:22 < sparc-kly> sun release opensolaris code today . http://opensolaris.org 18:22 < mnemoc> oh 18:22 < mnemoc> how 'open'? 18:24 < rxr_> sun crap is not open - and when you look at it you have a problem ocntributing to really open projects ... 18:24 < rxr_> mnemoc: open as in trap people into its license - see various discussions about it 18:27 < valentin> rxr: yes, you said so before (but i forgot to check that before building) 18:34 -!- mtr [~Michael@p54AFA3F1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 18:52 -!- mtr_ [~Michael@p54AF95DF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:58 * rxr_ shortly off 18:58 < valentin> quite heavy rain 18:59 < mnemoc> also here 18:59 < mnemoc> and 6 days of heavy rain are announced :( 19:00 < morfoh> valentin: really ? then I've to move ... because it's not raining here in P 19:00 * valentin building an ark 19:01 < valentin> http://www.wetteronline.de/daten/radar/dber/2005/06/141645.gif?24a814fce2d563e086aa9707af03e620&LANG=de 19:02 * morfoh moving home now ... cu later 19:02 < valentin> cu 19:03 < morfoh> cu all 19:03 -!- morfoh [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has left #t2 [] 19:32 * rxr_ booting into the latest and greated linux 2.6.11 (.12-dist) kernel ... 19:33 < mnemoc> there is a trouble on lilo generation due to -dist :\ 19:33 < mnemoc> label names are to long 19:33 < rxr_> ouhm 19:36 < mnemoc> OT: will you merge sparc64 stuff to 2.1 or should i hunt and discover the involved revisions? 19:37 < rxr_> I'll do when they are ready - you can focus on the important stuff ... 19:37 < mnemoc> :) 19:46 < CIA-7> amery * r9670 /branches/2.1/misc/pkgsel/minimal-desktop.in: * merged 9649 from 2.1.0-rc1: changed minimal-desktop.in, apr.* instead of apache; perl-xml-parser is needed for gimp; and sjog removed 19:50 < CIA-7> amery * r9671 /trunk/misc/pkgsel/minimal-desktop.in: * merged 9649 from 2.1.0-rc1: changed minimal-desktop.in, apr.* instead of apache; perl-xml-parser is needed for gimp; and sjog removed 19:51 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 19:51 < minto> Hi all 19:51 < mnemoc> hi minto 19:52 < minto> hi mnemoc, I decided to learn your language. 19:53 < minto> Just spend 3 weeks in Spain withou speaking any word spanish. 19:54 < mnemoc> :) 19:54 < mnemoc> spanish is very easy to learn 19:54 < mnemoc> at least that's what people say :p 19:55 < minto> I recognized lots of english and french words. 19:55 < minto> I must be easy if it is languange number 1 in the world. 20:03 < rxr_> ouhm ... 20:03 -!- You're now known as rxr 20:04 < _Ragnar_> wb:) 20:09 < rxr> yeah -hi 20:09 < rxr> kernel update did not went all that smooth 20:10 < mnemoc> hi _Ragnar_ 20:10 < mnemoc> rxr: what happened? 20:16 < CIA-7> rene * r9672 /trunk/architecture/x86/ (kernel-disable.lst kernel.conf.sh): 20:16 < CIA-7> * marked both CONFIG_FB_RIVA and CONFIG_FB_RADEON kernel-disable 20:16 < CIA-7> too broken to be true 20:16 < rxr> ^- this is the first thing that continously get's on my nerv ... 20:17 < rxr> reboot - black screen when hotplug++ loads this damn crappy radeon module ... 20:22 < rxr> oh - I think I caused the 2nd problem myself ... 20:24 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.224.142.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 20:28 < CIA-7> rene * r9673 /trunk/architecture/share/kernel-block.conf.m4: 20:28 < CIA-7> * fixed the Linux MD supoprt to built - bug introduced in r8499 20:28 < CIA-7> (though the implementations are modular the config option must be 20:28 < CIA-7> =Y to enable the subsystem - sigh) 20:28 < rxr> so - let's see if I can use the resulting kernel in 30 minutes or so ... 20:29 < rxr> though the sound module behaved strange ... 20:29 < rxr> snd_via* s.th. complained about missing symbol - but 2.6.11.7 (my current kernel) worked fine ... and I doubt the soundf bits got touched since then ...)= 20:31 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFFEE5.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 20:32 < rxr> OpenSolaris Code Released ... Some other highlights include the GRUB bootloader, ... 20:33 < rxr> ^- ?!?!?!? So OpenSlowlaris gave us GRUB or what ? 20:33 < rxr> SMF (Service Management Facility) which replaces init.d scripts, it starts up processes in parallel for faster boots 20:33 < rxr> ^- yeah we need to convert to s.th. like that by default, too 20:34 < rxr> "It seems that Apple has chosen to use the Trusted Platform Module chip to ensure that Mac OS X can only run on Apple Hardware." 20:37 < morfoh> re hi 20:39 -!- sepp [~sepp@213.54.223.43] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 20:41 < morfoh> rxr: my brother forcasted a dark furture for linux regarding the cpu change of apple yesterday in phone talk... I just could laugh about it :) 20:45 < morfoh> rxr: btw, did you were able to get a look on that dietlibc/gcc issue ? 20:52 < rxr> morfoh: I'll "today" - right now I want to get an updated kernel booted ... 20:52 < rxr> :-((( 20:52 < rxr> yeah - the Apple CPU switch will not affect Linux at all 20:52 < morfoh> rxr: ok 20:53 < rxr> I predict if it affects it only positively - due to the people used to switch and want to use s.th. more powerful 20:53 < rxr> Apple is doing a lot of nonsense with their OS and most Apps suck ... 20:53 * rxr booting again - cu 20:53 < morfoh> cu 20:54 < rxr> oh - and when people noticed being locked to one big monopolist - people will not fall into the same trap again when Apple starts to gain marked share .. 21:07 < mnemoc> svn: REPORT of '/t2/!svn/bc/9669': timed out waiting for server (http://svn.exactcode.de) <--- fifth time :\ 21:07 < mnemoc> six 21:10 < mnemoc> aaarg... 21:10 < mnemoc> i just want to see the history of gcc!! is it that hard?! 21:10 < rxr> hm 21:10 < rxr> poor mnemoc 21:10 < mnemoc> my link sucks :) 21:11 < rxr> traffic shape all power to mnemoc ,-) 21:11 < mnemoc> :) 21:11 < morfoh> rxr: I'll shutdomy link imediately 21:11 < morfoh> shutdown 21:23 < mnemoc> rxr: is r8811 problem solved? 21:35 < rxr> 8811 as it if valid 21:35 < mnemoc> what about zlib problem? 21:36 < rxr> though I do not off hand if libffi was hacked later on to build even with gcj disabled .. 21:36 < rxr> mnemoc: that is not a problem per se 21:36 < rxr> IIRC the only change minto wanted to do is to get libffi I think the others are just comemnts 21:36 < rxr> we do not want zlib or so in a gcc build anyway ... 21:36 < rxr> the only really intesting part was libffi 21:38 < mnemoc> let see :) 22:23 < rxr> oum - I wiped ccache - and the kernel is still building ... 22:23 < rxr> over an hour on the 2500+ Athlon XP .... 22:23 < rxr> since 21:11 22:23 < rxr> and it is 22:23 now .. 22:23 < rxr> ah - now it finihsed ,-) 22:25 < mnemoc> linux26 takes 1:20h cache-less and 25m cached here :) 22:25 < rxr> 5355 compiler invocations during the linux build ... 22:25 < rxr> 1:12 chacheless here it seems ... 22:25 < rxr> our new rock-less cache implementation indeed rocks majorly ,-) 22:26 < rxr> but I need to add the optimization level to the ccache dir .. 22:26 < rxr> and even the compiler version ... 22:26 < rxr> so /me reboot ... 22:28 < rxr> hm - same via alsa sound module symbol missing with clean rebuild without cache 22:28 < mnemoc> yes, using per-build cache didn't improve linux26 build time 22:28 < rxr> that at least increased my belive in the mature of ccache ... 22:32 < valentin> re 22:32 < valentin> damn, how long do kdelibs build... 22:32 < rxr> long 22:33 < rxr> we need to create a VPN and cluster all the PowerPCs we have ... 22:33 < mnemoc> kde* takes loooooong 22:33 < rxr> without --enable-final and then with gcc-4.0 it will be much faster 22:33 < mnemoc> rxr: how advanced is desktop-2.1.0-rc1-ppc build? 22:33 < rxr> tough --enable-final often created better optmized binaries ... 22:33 * rxr hides ... 22:34 < mnemoc> zero? 22:34 < rxr> mnemoc: we release without it as usual and I provide the ISOs when finished 22:34 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.198.129.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 22:34 < rxr> mnemoc: the rs6k server is slooooooooooow and I soon need to free it's diskspace and and and ... 22:34 < mnemoc> did you grab my minimal iso? 22:34 < rxr> I asked for report the url ... if you had I would have start the download ,-) 22:35 < valentin> Protocol not supported 22:35 < valentin> http 22:35 < rxr> ? 22:35 < valentin> ^-- konqueror 22:35 < mnemoc> neon? 22:36 < sepp> hello 22:36 < rxr> ouh oh 22:36 < rxr> hello sepp 22:36 < sepp> hello rxr 22:37 < sepp> i am rebuilding xorg with uni... 22:38 < sepp> lets see how long it takes on the laptop :) 22:39 < mnemoc> sepp: less than ooo :) 22:40 < sepp> hehe, btw hi mnemoc 22:41 -!- netrunner [~andreas@p54981BEE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:41 < rxr> valentin: killall kdeinit and co - if s.th. was running from befor the build they will no longer work due to missing - old - libs ... 22:41 < rxr> damn raid crap 22:41 < rxr> even mdadm gets on my nerve 22:42 < rxr> people need to learn to write intuitive software ... 22:42 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p54982C92.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 22:44 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-205-242.prtc.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:49 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.224.142.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:59 < valentin> we have to get up in the morning. until then. 23:00 < rxr> cu 23:01 < rxr> ouhm - damn soft raid crap ... 23:01 < rxr> or how to waste much time of life 23:03 < rxr> ah - damn 23:03 < sepp> what should "this pkg contains additional kernel mods build with any kernel" mean? 23:04 < rxr> sepp: it is an message to the average joe users that kernel modules are not build with normal packages but with any kernel and that this package build includes kernel modules not build right now - but with any kernel build as postlinux 3rd party kernel build 23:04 < sepp> ahh uhm i thought this but the massage is really strange 23:04 < rxr> sepp: patches for more verboseness are welcome ,-) 23:05 < rxr> so there is my soft raid /home again ... 23:05 * rxr kicks mdadm devels ... 23:06 < CIA-7> amery * r9674 /tags/2.1.0-rc1/package/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * changed last ene@exactcode.de -> rene@t2-project.org 23:06 < rxr> ene@ ? 23:06 < mnemoc> :p 23:07 < mnemoc> incomplete select 23:07 < rxr> so - and why the h*ll do the alsa drivers in my 3 times built linux-2.6.11.12-skas3-dist not work ... 23:07 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:07 < rxr> mnemoc: you do polishing like crazzy it seems ? 23:07 < mnemoc> did it work on older linux26 version? 23:07 < rxr> yes 23:07 < rxr> 2.6.11.7 was just fine 23:08 < rxr> and the live CD kernel (2.6.11.8 or so) works fine too 23:08 < rxr> thogh maybe it is "only" some T2 config change ? 23:08 < mnemoc> rc1 has .10 :( 23:09 < rxr> mnemoc: release it .... 23:09 < rxr> it might be even local ... 23:09 < rxr> whatever sooner or later I'll find out ... 23:09 < rxr> mnemoc: did you test that the ISO install sss 23:09 < rxr> =? 23:09 < mnemoc> tag is froken now 23:09 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. did you already repaste the rsync coordinates ? 23:09 < mnemoc> i installed minimal successfully 23:10 < mnemoc> rsync://t2.geeks.cl 23:10 < mnemoc> list is enabled ;) 23:10 < mnemoc> ok... rsync://t2.geeks.cl/t2-iso/ 23:12 < rxr> btw. my main workstation with /home on a RAID-5 is as populated that a ls ~rene takes: 23:12 < rxr> real 0m3.989s 23:12 < rxr> user 0m0.006s 23:12 < rxr> sys 0m0.028s 23:12 < rxr> I guess time to clean up ... 23:13 < sepp> rxr: "this pkg depends on some 3rd party kernel mods. that wont be rebuild right now - you may have to rebuild your kernel" ?? 23:13 < _Lewellyn> better hierarchy? :) 23:13 < rxr> yeha ... 23:13 < rxr> sepp: I wanted to only use one line ... 23:13 < rxr> but if you think two are necessary, ... 23:13 < rxr> hm - I wonder if the rsync port is open to the outside ... 23:14 < rxr> in this shitty uni ... 23:14 < sepp> i dont know my english is too bad 23:14 < rxr> .oO 23:15 < rxr> mnemoc: you have an ssh account on that box - at least you had in the past - could you upload? 23:15 < rxr> the uni firewall does not let go rsync go thru ... 23:15 < rxr> did I mention this uni sucks ? 23:15 < rxr> mnemoc: ack - your account is still there ... 23:16 < rxr> or I could grab via http or ftp ... :-( 23:16 < rxr> or tunnel thru ssh via whatever box ... 23:16 < rxr> or hack the Checkpoint(?) firewall in between ... 23:16 < mnemoc> rxr: uhm? 23:16 < rxr> yeah? 23:18 < rxr> _Lewellyn: wasn't hierarchy for people without a recent desktop serch? 23:19 < rxr> the finder^folder is dead - long live spotfind 23:20 < rxr> oehm 23:20 < rxr> oehm 23:20 < rxr> gruebel 23:20 < rxr> modprobe snd 23:20 < rxr> Jun 14 23:19:27 haudraufinix kernel: snd: Unknown parameter `device_mode' 23:20 < rxr> what the heck ? 23:21 < rxr> modprobe.conf:options snd device_mode=0666 23:21 < rxr> ouhm - is it my fault ? 23:21 < rxr> # --- BEGIN: Generated by ALSACONF, do not edit. --- 23:21 < rxr> # --- ALSACONF verion 1.0.7rc2 --- 23:21 < rxr> options snd device_mode=0666 23:21 < rxr> haha - it is not 23:21 < rxr> never ever do I start crap other paste in this channel ... 23:22 < rxr> ok - so - finally - all fixed up and it was not the kernels fault ,-) 23:22 < rxr> so mnemoc you can relax - no sound regression in whatever 2.6.11 kernel ,-) 23:22 < mnemoc> :) 23:22 * rxr rebooting once more to check if _FINALLY_ all is working ... 23:23 < mnemoc> btw, http://t2.geeks.cl/iso/ points to the same place that rsync 23:23 < rxr> mnemoc: and you can tell me what you propose to sync ISOs thru the uni firewall ... 23:25 < rxr> ok - all comming up fine ... 23:26 < mnemoc> i don't follow you.... 23:26 < _Lewellyn> rxr: spotlight is slow. :( 23:26 < rxr> _Lewellyn: apple tells me it is the future ... 23:26 < _Lewellyn> and so is cisc, apparently ;) 23:28 < mnemoc> i have to go 23:28 < mnemoc> back in 40 minutes 23:28 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - cu then 23:28 < rxr> curl -O running 23:28 < rxr> 28.81K/s ETA 1:23:03 23:29 < rxr> vmnet 27972 0 23:29 < rxr> vmmon 105036 0 23:29 < rxr> ok - finally ... 23:30 < rxr> the reason I rebuild the kernel ... 23:30 < CIA-7> amery * r9675 /branches/2.1/package/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * merged 9674 from 2.1.0-rc1: changed last rene@exactcode.de -> rene@t2-project.org 23:34 -!- netrunne1 [~andreas@p54982C92.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ["leaving"] 23:36 < rxr> oh my god - why are the vmware installer and init script such monsters ... 23:39 < rxr> # rm /etc/vmware/not_configured 23:39 < rxr> rm: remove regular empty file `/etc/vmware/not_configured'? y 23:50 < _Lewellyn> heh 23:50 < _Lewellyn> vmware is a pos :) 23:51 < rxr> pos ? 23:51 < _Lewellyn> piece of s*** 23:51 < rxr> ack 23:51 < rxr> _Lewellyn: ah - maybe you can answer a question before I continue tinkering 23:51 < _Lewellyn> in my complimentary 30-day support period, i was only able to open two issues. 23:51 < rxr> _Lewellyn: how good is vmware performance ? 23:51 < _Lewellyn> mainly because it took 30 days to resolve those 23:51 < _Lewellyn> and i still have a boatload more 23:51 < _Lewellyn> it's pretty good, considering what it does 23:52 < rxr> as in % of host performance ? 23:52 < _Lewellyn> hard to say, since i'm not able to accurately judge. i've never run windows on here ;) 23:53 < _Lewellyn> this was a "real" unix box until vmware (and therefore linux) was installed on it. 23:53 < _Lewellyn> however, windows xp runs quite functionally on here. 23:53 < _Lewellyn> dual p3 with 1gb ram. 23:53 < rxr> ok - I'll continue try ... 23:53 < _Lewellyn> what kind of issues are you having? 23:54 < _Lewellyn> (are you trying to package it?) 23:54 < rxr> I only do this pain to get naturally speaking running and use it in vmware until I finally get it to work with wine ... 23:54 < rxr> _Lewellyn: no I jsut try to get it runnin 23:54 < rxr> g 23:54 < rxr> I build the kernel modules manually 23:54 < _Lewellyn> ok. why did you remove not_configured? 23:54 < rxr> but had to hack the install perl beast to not try to do itself ... 23:54 < _Lewellyn> and i always let it build the modules 23:54 < rxr> because every time I rc vmware start it adds the file .. 23:55 < rxr> # /etc/rc.d/init.d/vmware start 23:55 < rxr> Starting VMware services: Virtual machine monitor failed Virtual ethernet failed Bridged networking on /dev/vmnet0 failed Host-only networking on /dev/vmnet1 (background) done Host-only networking on /dev/vmnet8 (background) done 23:55 < rxr> NA serviceo on /dev/vmnet8 failed 23:55 < _Lewellyn> probably because it's not fully configured. 23:55 < _Lewellyn> and this looks like vmware 5 23:55 < rxr> btw at what point does it want the license key ? 23:55 < _Lewellyn> after you configure it and then go to run it 23:55 < rxr> yes - latest demo from their size 23:55 < rxr> site ven 23:55 < _Lewellyn> (hint, do not run vmware as root) 23:56 < rxr> I configured it aside that I hacked the kernel module build away .. 23:56 < _Lewellyn> ah. i've not used vmware 5 yet. a couple of guys in the office are using it now. 23:56 < _Lewellyn> and the modules built just fine for them on 2.6.11.x 23:56 < rxr> guess you have to pay big bucks for the commercial use ... :-( 23:56 < rxr> I normally have no kernel sources around ... 23:56 < _Lewellyn> it's the same price, regardless of the user 23:57 < _Lewellyn> ah 23:57 < rxr> but I place a copy into /usr/src to make it happy now ... 23:57 < _Lewellyn> kernel sources++ --- Log closed Wed Jun 15 00:00:00 2005