T2 IRC Log: 2005-06-16

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--- Log opened Thu Jun 16 00:00:00 2005
00:00 < morfoh> yes
00:00 < morfoh> == 06/15/05 23:59:47 =[1]=> Aborted building package curl.
00:01 < rxr> hm - did you got 1-tar ?
00:01 < morfoh> nope ... it failed
00:01 < rxr> ah - you skipped it !
00:01 < rxr> schummler ,-)
00:01 < morfoh> yes ;)
00:01 < rxr> ok - at least you get s.th. else to fix then ,-)
00:02 < rxr> could you paste every passed diet build while I tinker on this shared file ?
00:02 < morfoh> yes
00:03 < morfoh> rxr: curl didn't passed, even after I removed the diet patch
00:03 < rxr> hehe
00:03 < rxr> ok - touch the log - I mentally prepare to hack that up, too
00:03 < morfoh> done ;)
00:04 < morfoh> .oO( the touching Schummler :)
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00:04 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:03:48 =[1]=> Aborted building package libpng.
00:05 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:04:45 =[1]=> Aborted building package popt.
00:06 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:05:52 =[1]=> Aborted building package libpcap.
00:08 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:06:52 =[1]=> Finished building package rsync.
00:08 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:06:58 =[1]=> Aborted building package ppp.
00:08 < rxr> oh my - I can not do them all tonight
00:08 < rxr> some need shared libs anyway ...
00:08 < rxr> can you post the tails ?
00:08 < morfoh> rxr: you don't have to :)
00:09 < morfoh> rxr: yes
00:18 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:16:23 =[1]=> Aborted building package util-linux.
00:18 < rxr> didn't mmv fail for you ?
00:18 < morfoh> rxr: yes
00:18 < rxr> yes as it failed ?
00:19 < morfoh> yes it failed :)
00:19 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:19:03 =[1]=> Finished building package net-tools.
00:19 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:19:10 =[1]=> Aborted building package procps.
00:20 < sepp> good night all
00:20 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:19:50 =[1]=> Finished building package module-init-tools.
00:20 < morfoh> good night sepp ... sleep well
00:21 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:20:02 =[1]=> Finished building package iproute2.
00:21 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:20:29 =[1]=> Aborted building package irda-utils.
00:22 < morfoh> rxr: I'll send you the whole bunch off .err files as tbz2
00:22 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:21:45 =[1]=> Aborted building package dropbear.
00:22 < rxr> can't you publish somewhere?
00:23 < morfoh> hmmm .... ? let me see
00:23 < rxr> okok - just mail ,-)
00:23 < rxr> or wait
00:23 < rxr> nah - I have them myself
00:23 < morfoh> watt denn nun ? :)
00:24 < rxr> I meant tail to get an insteant view ,-)
00:24 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:23:05 =[1]=> Finished building package libowfat.
00:24 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:23:13 =[1]=> Finished building package minit.
00:24 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:23:18 =[1]=> Finished building package unionfs.
00:24 < morfoh> == 06/16/05 00:23:25 =[1]=> Finished building package fgetty.
00:24 < rxr> yeah - dietlibc based builds build so fast ,-)
00:25 < rxr> == 06/16/05 00:24:25 =[1]=> Finished building package mmv.
00:25 < rxr> Creating binary package file for mmv.
00:25 < morfoh> Creating root filesystem image (squashfs) ...
00:25 < morfoh> 32M /mnt/t2/src/t2-trunk/build/dietembref-2.2.0-alpha-x86-embedded/TOOLCHAIN/rootfs
00:25 < morfoh> 12M /mnt/t2/src/t2-trunk/build/dietembref-2.2.0-alpha-x86-embedded/TOOLCHAIN/rootfs.squashfs
00:27 < morfoh> this one looks better
00:27 < morfoh> Creating root filesystem image (squashfs) ...
00:27 < morfoh> 11M /mnt/t2/src/t2-trunk/build/dietembref-2.2.0-alpha-x86-embedded/TOOLCHAIN/rootfs
00:27 < morfoh> 4.1M /mnt/t2/src/t2-trunk/build/dietembref-2.2.0-alpha-x86-embedded/TOOLCHAIN/rootfs.squashfs
00:27 < morfoh> after removing the linux26 module mess
00:29 < rxr> the mmv fix must wait a bit - I want to clean up some comments in the echo_status before I commit it ...
00:30 < morfoh> hmmm ... I can't get this strongswan build on uclibc embedded
00:33 < rxr> maybe I hacked curl to build
00:33 < rxr> ack
00:33 < rxr> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 227836 Jun 16 00:32 curl
00:33 < rxr> ./curl: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, stripped
00:34 < rxr> # time ./curl http://www.heise.de> m
00:34 < morfoh> :)
00:34 < rxr> real 0m0.351s
00:34 < rxr> user 0m0.004s
00:34 < rxr> sys 0m0.007s
00:34 < rxr> I think I have to stop soon
00:34 < morfoh> rxr: tired ?
00:34 < rxr> I have to write a news issue (for golem) and then I'll me sleeping before 2 ...
00:35 < rxr> pkg_curl.patch | 98 +++++++++------------------------------------------------
00:35 < rxr> 1 files changed, 17 insertions(+), 81 deletions(-)
00:37 < CIA-7> rene * r9706 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/pkg_patch/pkg_curl.patch: * updated pkg_curl.patch - size greatly reduced
00:38 < CIA-7> rene * r9707 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/pkg_patch/pkg_coreutils.patch: * copyright patch for the updated coreutils patch
01:03 < rxr> I think I also fixed popt
01:04 < rxr> and thus most probably ppp
01:04 < morfoh> hehe :)
01:04 < rxr> and if we are lucky libpcap
01:04 < rxr> but it needs a dietlibc rebuild
01:04 * rxr testing
01:07 < rxr> == 06/16/05 01:06:06 =[1]=> Finished building package popt.
01:10 < rxr> hm - ppp needs more tweaks - skipped for now
01:10 < rxr> morfoh: why was it I fix all this when we do not wanna use it the enxt days ?
01:11 < morfoh> rxr: hopefully we'll use it soon ... anyway :)
01:12 < morfoh> rxr: or don't you want dietlibc support anymore ?
01:12 < rxr> of course - just not a dietlibc all distribution in the next hours ,-)
01:12 < morfoh> rxr: never talked about that .. ;)
01:13 < morfoh> rxr: thought we agreed for using uclibc for now ;)
01:14 * rxr neither
01:14 < morfoh> rxr: doesn't have uclibc a regcomp function ?
01:14 < rxr> it was just the answer to your Q if I duno wanna have dietlibc anymore ,-)
01:24 < rxr> util-linux built
01:25 < rxr> with far less hacks ...
01:25 < morfoh> hehe :)
01:25 < rxr> what's so funny ?
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01:35 < rxr> ok - utli-linux should be read now
01:35 < rxr> final test build ,-)
01:35 < rxr> pkg_util-linux.patch | 344 ++++++---------------------------------------------
01:35 < rxr> 1 files changed, 47 insertions(+), 297 deletions(-)
01:35 < rxr> oops ,-)
01:36 < morfoh> rxr: I'll not laugh anymore
01:36 < rxr> == 06/16/05 01:35:39 =[1]=> Finished building package util-linux.
01:37 < rxr> ouhm - wasn't there work for money I wanted to do tonight ?
01:37 < morfoh> rxr: I guess ... yes.
01:41 < rxr> I want a LCD ..
01:41 < rxr> damn old blurry box ...
01:41 < morfoh> rxr: ack ... it's more comfortable to work on a TFT
01:51 < rxr> more fixed in some mintues
01:52 < morfoh> rxr: :)
01:56 < rxr> oh - CIA quit ...
01:56 < rxr> well - I jsut commited some ...
02:00 < rxr> well - ok - procps is not all that easy to fix without a dynamic dietlibc I think
02:03 < rxr> == 06/16/05 02:02:37 =[1]=> Finished building package module-init-tools.
02:03 < rxr> hm - what do I do not - write the news now - or get up in 5 hours - which I'm sure my body will not endure and just oversleep the bell ...
02:03 < rxr> == 06/16/05 02:02:59 =[1]=> Finished building package iproute2.
02:05 < morfoh> hmmm ...same problem here ... but I think I'll sleep some hours and forcing me to get up
02:05 < rxr> dropbear failed
02:05 < rxr> didn't that build once ?
02:06 < morfoh> yes ... it failed, and I don't know if it was build succesfully using dietlibc before
02:08 < rxr> ok - rebuild - fix might be a oneliner
02:09 < rxr> ouzhm
02:09 < rxr> or 2
02:12 < rxr> == 06/16/05 02:10:48 =[1]=> Finished building package dropbear.
02:13 < rxr> Creating root filesystem image (squashfs) ...
02:13 < rxr> ok - that should have been a fairly nice fixup round
02:13 < rxr> any other wishes for tonight ?
02:13 < morfoh> rxr: hehe :)
02:13 < morfoh> rxr: let me see ...
02:14 < morfoh> rxr: did you commited the last changes ?
02:16 < morfoh> rxr: "just" that strongswan ar issue is open here
02:17 < rxr> have you filled a ticked ?
02:18 < rxr> ticket even
02:18 < rxr> strongswarm need openssl, right?
02:18 < morfoh> rxr: yes
02:18 < rxr> t2-trunk/target/embedded# grep openssl config.in
02:18 < rxr> t2-trunk/target/embedded#
02:18 < rxr> not in the packge list - nothing to fix -)
02:19 < morfoh> rxr: openssl builds
02:19 < rxr> with dietlibc ?
02:19 < morfoh> no
02:19 < rxr> ouhm
02:19 < morfoh> uclibx
02:19 < rxr> ok - can you flush your uclibc package list to target/embedded ?
02:19 < morfoh> ok
02:20 < rxr> can I hack up strongswarm for uclibc in the morning - whenever that is when my body agrees to wakeup ...
02:20 < morfoh> rxr: sure :)
02:20 < rxr> findutils-4.2.22
02:21 < rxr> only one update today ?
02:21 < rxr> ah - checker still running ...
02:21 < morfoh> rxr: I'll just add openssl for uclibc embedded for now
02:21 < rxr> yes - ack
02:21 < rxr> I think I also move all non-dietlibc buildable out of the generic selection tomorrow
02:22 < rxr> aMule-2.0.3
02:41 < mnemoc> rehi
02:41 < morfoh> hey mnemoc
02:42 < mnemoc> hi mofoh
02:43 < mnemoc> rsync is damn stupid
02:43 < rxr> moin mnemoc
02:43 < mnemoc> after:
02:43 < mnemoc> desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_cd1.iso
02:43 < mnemoc> 683677696 100% 27.83kB/s 6:39:45 (1, 28.6% of 7)
02:43 < mnemoc> desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_cd2.iso
02:43 < mnemoc> 429082624 100% 29.01kB/s 4:00:45 (2, 42.9% of 7)
02:43 < mnemoc> desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_index.txt
02:44 < mnemoc> 277347 100% 41.75kB/s 0:00:06 (3, 57.1% of 7)
02:44 < mnemoc> it noticed my tempdir didn't exist, and failed
02:44 < rxr> I think I grab a peppermint tea and get my news storry done
02:44 < mnemoc> rsync: mkstemp "/srv/amery/geeks.cl/t2/iso/../temp/.desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_cd1.iso.w3et6D" failed: No such file or directory (2)
02:44 < mnemoc> rxr: :)
02:44 < rxr> mnemoc: hm
02:44 < rxr> strange
02:44 < rxr> btw maybe --partial would have helped ?
02:45 < rxr> rsync without --partial considered harmful ....
02:45 < mnemoc> it was rsync -T ../temp -avP t2-iso/ xxx.xxx.cl:/..../geeks.cl/t2/iso/
02:45 < rxr> looks like I soon have to tighten spam filtering on exactcode's mail server .... :-(
02:45 < mnemoc> i though -P covered --partial
02:46 < rxr> I think so, too
02:46 * rxr off for a peppermint tea
02:51 < morfoh> ok .... I will go sleep for some hours ... cu
02:53 < mnemoc> morfoh: gn8
02:54 < rxr> n8 morfoh
02:54 < rxr> mnemoc: in the next 10 days I'll setup a nightly uclibc / dietlibc embedded regression tester - and a weeksly or so trunk reference
02:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes thanks ... I'll have 3,5h for sleep now ...
02:54 < rxr> with the good old rocklinux-consulting history graph plot and such ...
02:54 < morfoh> cu later guys :)
02:55 < morfoh> rxr: again many thanks for diet work today ;)
02:55 < mnemoc> rxr: i'm using --partial-dir also now
02:55 < mnemoc> rxr: :)
02:55 < rxr> ouhm#
02:56 < rxr> morfoh: no problem - sorry that I did not maneged some days before
02:58 < morfoh> rxr: no problem ... as you said some days before ... paid work has priority
02:59 * morfoh off now ... cu
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04:03 < rxr> ok - me off soon as well
04:03 < rxr> 04:03 here ..
04:09 < rxr> n8
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04:25 < keinek> hi
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05:24 < keinek> hi
05:25 < keinek> mnemoc, estas por ahi?
05:26 < keinek> are you there mnemoc ?
05:27 < sparc-kly> hi keinek
05:28 < keinek> hi sparc-kly
05:28 < keinek> everybody is sleeping???
05:37 < sparc-kly> q estas inventando nuevo
05:37 < keinek> vamos a t2-es
05:53 < mnemoc> hi keinek , sparc-kly
05:54 < _Lewellyn> how are the weird, awake, people? :)
05:55 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: we are all on the same continent :)
05:58 < keinek> we are?
06:01 < mnemoc> yep
06:04 < _Lewellyn> so we can't also all be weird? :)
06:07 < mnemoc> only you expend 30 dollars daily on sushi
06:08 < _Lewellyn> once every few months
06:08 < _Lewellyn> i just spent $6 on dinner: 4 tacos.
06:08 < _Lewellyn> i skipped breakfast and lunch, so meal expenditures today were closer to your level :)
06:08 * _Lewellyn hates the price of food around here
06:09 < _Lewellyn> my first day on the job, no one warned me about food prices.
06:09 < _Lewellyn> went out and bought an $8 salad
06:09 < _Lewellyn> got back and they were all "oh ya. forgot to warn you about that place"
06:09 < mnemoc> o_O
06:11 < _Lewellyn> i was all "damn. that money could feed one of sally struthers' children for a month. (or one of her thighs for 10 minutes...)"
06:13 * _Lewellyn curses zope
06:13 < _Lewellyn> Error Value: float() needs a string argument
06:13 < _Lewellyn> but where am i using float()? :(
06:16 < mnemoc> :)
06:19 < mnemoc> i'll go to read... cu
06:22 < _Lewellyn> have a good night
06:22 < mnemoc> you too
06:22 < mnemoc> it's freezing here... i'll read on bed :p
06:26 < _Lewellyn> enjoy
06:26 * _Lewellyn tries to finish up at work
06:42 < keinek> ok... xmame update is ready
06:42 < keinek> :)
06:42 < keinek> my best package.
06:42 < keinek> :P
06:43 < _Lewellyn> :)
06:43 < _Lewellyn> where best == favorite? :)
06:44 < keinek> yeah... my favorite package.
06:48 < _Lewellyn> :)
06:48 * _Lewellyn wonders if there's a palm mame
06:49 < keinek> well you have a gameboy emulator if you want.
06:49 < _Lewellyn> never got it working :/
06:49 < _Lewellyn> besides i have a gameboy. and it's not much bigger :)
06:49 < _Lewellyn> (and the keys are actually in useable positions)
06:50 < keinek> :)
06:51 < _Lewellyn> damn, there's mame for almost everything useable EXCEPT a palm or midp device
06:51 < _Lewellyn> and i can easily see why no one's tackled the latter
06:51 < keinek> i have a pam m100
06:51 < keinek> too little for mame.
06:51 < _Lewellyn> have you tried it with the livecd?
06:51 < keinek> pocket pc is ideal for mame.
06:51 < _Lewellyn> (your palm)
06:52 < _Lewellyn> eh. my tungsten c is sufficiently powerful for mame
06:52 < keinek> my palm m100 have only 2 megas
06:52 < _Lewellyn> 400mhz arm , 64mb of ram, 512mb sd. should do me just fine :)
06:52 < keinek> yes.
06:52 < _Lewellyn> i shoulda waited for a lifedrive though. :(
06:52 < _Lewellyn> the wifi kinda sucks on the t|c
06:53 < _Lewellyn> ooh! phmame!
06:53 < keinek> but a least you have wifi :P
06:53 * _Lewellyn wonders if there's a mame for os/2
06:54 < keinek> m100 have a lcd with only 1 color.
06:54 < _Lewellyn> eh. the wifi sucks.
06:54 < _Lewellyn> i can't connect to lots of access points
06:54 < _Lewellyn> which makes it damn near useless
06:54 < _Lewellyn> it's supposed to be a work device, but i end up using it to play dominoes and monopoly :(
06:55 < _Lewellyn> ooh! mame for os2! :)
06:55 < keinek> do you like os2?
06:56 < _Lewellyn> it has its uses
06:56 < _Lewellyn> bah. latest port of mame is .37 :(
06:56 < _Lewellyn> even qnx got .60 :(
06:56 < _Lewellyn> i don't think i have roms older than .50 or so
06:57 < keinek> ibm do a mistake when do that programs of windows 3.1 can work with your system.
06:57 < _Lewellyn> can you re-phrase?
06:57 < keinek> sorry for my english.
06:58 < _Lewellyn> it's ok. i'm tired and probably making less sense than usual, too :)
06:58 < keinek> in os/2 you can run windows 3.1 programs.
06:58 < _Lewellyn> yes
06:58 < _Lewellyn> and some win32 programs
06:58 < keinek> that was the end of os/2
06:58 < _Lewellyn> (such as acrobat reader)
06:59 < keinek> programers dont worry for programing for os/2
06:59 < _Lewellyn> no, the end of os/2 was microsoft screwing ibm over and not marketing it, choosing to instead market its competitor based upon it.
06:59 < _Lewellyn> (windows nt)
06:59 < keinek> yes...
06:59 < _Lewellyn> win16 compatibility was a great idea
07:00 < _Lewellyn> market nt and os/2 to the businesses who need real memory protection and multitasking; market windows 3.x to the average joe who wanted something cheap
07:00 < keinek> the win16 compatibility, is some like transgaming... emulating games.
07:01 < keinek> nobody will programe games for linux... thinking... "well with cedega can emulate the game"
07:02 < keinek> but...
07:02 < keinek> i think that ibm thinks... that is a great ideal the compatibility.
07:02 < _Lewellyn> i'm just glad that os/2 has more of a viable commercial backing still than be does.
07:02 < keinek> the people dont miss windows.
07:03 < _Lewellyn> os/2 actually had software and has PLENTY of docs, thanks to ibm's anal documenters :)
07:04 < _Lewellyn> wow. zeta is apparently about to finally ship.
07:15 < _Lewellyn> ok. off with me now.
07:15 * _Lewellyn needs to stop by the bar, i think.
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08:50 < valentin> moin
08:58 < minto> moin Valentin
09:01 < valentin> hi minto
09:01 < minto> valentin: How is the pregnancy progressing?
09:02 < valentin> good, thx
09:07 < valentin> about 6 weeks remaining...
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09:15 < morfoh> moin
09:20 < valentin> moin morfoh
09:21 < morfoh> hi valentin
09:21 < minto> hi morfoh
09:24 < morfoh> hi minto
09:26 < minto> does anyone know where I can find xmlhelp in ooo
09:37 < valentin> sorry, never really used ooo
09:38 < minto> mnemoc said the java code needed to be patched, now I try to find the sources.
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09:57 < minto> hi, bye Mayoral
10:05 < morfoh> T2 based embedded system. http://www.t2-project.org/
10:05 < morfoh> 10:05:03 2005-06-16 -- 0 users online -- line [vc/1].
10:05 < morfoh> Welcome to embedded (T2 - Kernel 2.6.10).
10:05 < morfoh> -
10:05 < morfoh> embedded login:
10:06 < morfoh> hehe :)
10:06 < minto> morfoh: weldone
10:06 < morfoh> minto: allmost ;)
10:36 < valentin> bbl
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10:41 < minto> Hi mnemoc
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11:18 < minto> Aaaaarggghhhhh
11:23 < rxr> re
11:26 < rxr> http://www.golem.de/0506/38663.html
11:28 < morfoh> hi rxr
11:32 < rxr>
11:32 < rxr> OpenLDAP 2.3.4
11:33 < rxr> valentin: did you understand the MPD of Lower saxony, Wulf, recently about software patents? Did he wanted to express he wants software patents ?
11:35 < morfoh> rxr: how can I overlay an on the fly created ramdisk partition above a read-only rootfs using unionfs ?
11:36 < rxr> overlaying the whole root is problematic
11:36 < morfoh> rxr: I want to store /var/log on a ramdisk
11:36 < rxr> only var? that is easy
11:36 < rxr> mount -t unionfs -o dirs=/tmp/var-overlay:/var=ro none /var
11:36 < rxr> the =ro is optinal - unionfs should find out itself ...
11:37 < morfoh> ah ok
11:37 < morfoh> thanks
11:37 < rxr> overlaying / caused problems in my test - but I noticed later on I migh thave made a typo
11:42 < rxr> http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/05/06/14/2214241.shtml
11:42 < rxr> and search for T2 - tis nis not from me ,-)
11:44 < CIA-10> rene * r9719 /trunk/package/emulators/xmame/xmame.desc:
11:44 < CIA-10> keinek :
11:44 < CIA-10> * updated xmame (0.96 -> 0.97)
11:46 < rxr> http://lists.altlinux.ru/pipermail/sisyphus/2005-June/061562.html
12:22 < CIA-10> rene * r9720 /trunk/package/network/amule/amule.desc: * updated amule (2.0.2 -> 2.0.3)
12:28 < CIA-10> rene * r9721 /trunk/package/base/findutils/findutils.desc: * updated findutils (4.2.19 -> 4.2.22)
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12:32 < rxr> hi azureus
12:33 < azureus> hello rxr
12:42 < rxr> I guess my rock-devel cc might cause a flamewar ...
12:45 < morfoh> rxr: oh!
12:45 < rxr> oh ?
12:45 < rxr> I could not resist ...
12:46 < rxr> they should answer their user questions - that would not cause external people to answer them - and inject T2 links -,)
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13:07 * rxr shortly away - cu
13:10 < jsaw> rxr: dietlibc/libugly/pclose.c : f is freed before access by waitpid()
13:12 < jsaw> (I have no private email still, otherwise I'd inform fefe myself)
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13:21 < azureus> wb morfoh
13:24 < morfoh> hi azureus
13:25 < rxr> jsaw: ok - I take a look
13:25 < rxr> jsaw: how do you found this bug ?
13:29 < rxr> jsaw: isn't the code correct ?
13:30 < rxr> ah - no it is indeed free()ed in fclose ...
13:31 < rxr> jsaw: I think the code has a hen and egg problem - the process might not terminate until the pipe is closed ...
13:32 < rxr> jsaw: have you a patch ?
13:32 < rxr> ah
13:33 < rxr> + pid_t pid = f->popen_kludge; fclose(f);
13:33 < rxr> - if (waitpid(f->popen_kludge,&status,0)>=0)
13:33 < rxr> + if (waitpid(pid,&status,0)>=0)
13:33 < rxr> ?
13:42 < CIA-10> rene * r9722 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/pclose.patch:
13:42 < CIA-10> * fixed pclose dereference after free() in pclose bug discovered by
13:42 < CIA-10> Juergen
13:42 < rxr> jsaw: patch committed and send to the dietlibc list ,-)
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13:47 < rxr> damn - fefe's mail server is quite strict
13:47 < rxr> no attachments on lists ... :-)(
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13:53 < CIA-10> rene * r9723 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/dir.h.patch: * added warning to the old-ugly dir.h I added to dietlibc last night
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13:56 < CIA-10> rene * r9724 /trunk/package/gnome2/gtk+/gtk+.desc: * updated gtk+ (2.6.7 -> 2.6.8)
13:56 < rxr> now - really gone
14:11 < jsaw> rxr: thanks :)
14:11 < jsaw> (been away too)
14:17 < jsaw> and am gone now too, cu later
15:08 < rxr> ewr
15:08 < rxr> re even
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17:17 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 TAGGED - official .iso creation in progress | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
17:17 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005]
17:17 [Users #t2]
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17:59 < rxr> jsaw: patch accepted:
17:59 < rxr> 0.30:
17:59 < rxr> fix embarassing bug in pclose (Juergen Sawinski, Ren Rebe)
18:08 < rxr> ouhm - damn windows USB crap
18:08 < rxr> I now booted 40 times and whatever and still the scanner does not work on that box anymore ...
18:15 < mnemoc_> moin
18:16 < mnemoc_> rxr: only update openldap releases flagged as 'stable'
18:16 < mnemoc_> rxr: they mix stable and gamma releases
18:17 < rxr> aha#
18:18 < rxr> I did not intended to take a closer look anyway ..
18:18 < rxr> mnemoc_: how can you work with windows ...
18:18 < rxr> seriously - I just wanted to grab a new bit of i/o transferred to the scanenr - and what worked weeks ago does not do anymore ...
18:18 < rxr> no way to convince this damn OS to talk to the scanner ...
18:19 < mnemoc_> i don't have any scanner :p
18:22 < rxr> guess it is the same with any device driver in windows ...
18:24 < mnemoc_> windows 'kernel' is not very well designed
18:24 < rxr> it was designed ?
18:26 < valentin> re
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18:26 < valentin> rxr: my new kdesystem always crashes on wake from ram
18:27 < rxr> kde or kernel =
18:27 < rxr> I call you ..
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18:31 < azureus> hi mtr
18:32 < mnemoc_> rxr: desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4 is waiting for you :)
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18:42 < rxr> ouhm - damn damn damn - the disk in the gsmp box need to be exchanged urgently ...
18:45 < rxr> mnemoc_: don't delete the minimal yet
18:45 < rxr> i/o error during sync :-(
18:45 < rxr> I need a new hardrive ...
18:46 < mnemoc_> rxr: ok
18:48 < rxr> where is morfoh when one needs him ... :-(
18:49 < mnemoc_> :(
18:49 < rxr> mnemoc_: any step by step guid how to reactiveate the USB stack / support / drivers in Windows ?
18:49 < mnemoc_> no idea, sorry
18:50 < rxr> kicking the box usually helps ?
18:51 < mnemoc_> yes
18:51 < mnemoc_> i always reboot windows when it gets stupid
18:51 < rxr> ok - T2 Research case studi: use of windows makes people agressive
18:52 < rxr> I rebooted 40 times now ...
18:52 < mnemoc_> :(
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18:52 < rxr> I know it has issues when the device was powered on before the box - but I already tried all permutations that came to my mind ...
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18:55 < rxr> windows: the most effective way to waste time of employees ...
19:05 < SerWou> ;) rxr
19:06 < SerWou> i'm doing an internship in a Win32 trolls company who provide computers solutions based in Winbloze :((
19:07 < mnemoc_> rxr: tell me when you snapshot rc1 to sync my mirror :p
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19:12 < rxr> snapshot ?
19:12 < rxr> you mean tarball ?
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19:14 < mnemoc_> rxr: yes
19:16 < azu2> Would do you think about a german support Board?
19:17 < _Ragnar_> moin
19:17 < azu2> hi ranger
19:18 < rxr> mnemoc_: I tar when you tell me to
19:18 < rxr> mnemoc_: you say tag xyz is ready publish it ...
19:19 < mnemoc_> it is
19:19 < rxr> should I announce everywhere, too ?
19:19 < mnemoc_> i wanted the ISOs... but
19:19 < mnemoc_> what mastermind thinks about?
19:20 < rxr> you also wanted the new homepage, right ?
19:20 < mnemoc_> we can't want for ever :(
19:20 < azu2> yes
19:20 < mnemoc_> btw, http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html next merge orgy doesn't looks well :(
19:21 < rxr> hm
19:21 < rxr> btw. on the rock list clifford wrote the ROCK trunk has 0 build errors
19:21 < rxr> I wonder how they managed that ...
19:21 < azu2> but I wanted an external Board
19:21 < _Ragnar_> *g*
19:21 < _Ragnar_> remove 1/2 of the packages?
19:21 < rxr> no idea
19:22 < rxr> I especially wonder with the big submaster content ...
19:22 < azu2> I could make one very fast und my domain, like t2.pc-help-city.de
19:22 < mnemoc_> they have multi-versions, so api changes don't affect them
19:22 < rxr> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: dev/isdnctrl
19:22 < rxr> ouhm !
19:23 < azu2> It will be based on smf
19:23 < rxr> wel - ok we also do not have too many build errors - and hundreds more packages
19:23 < mnemoc_> azu2: we have an almost ready plone at www2
19:24 < mnemoc_> jsaw: ping
19:24 < azu2> plone?
19:24 < rxr> mnemoc_: II help with regressions in a few days
19:24 < rxr> especially the ones that fail due to stricter checking ,-)
19:24 < azu2> what is a plone?
19:24 < mnemoc_> rxr: :)
19:24 < rxr> damn - how do I get a windows driver i/o dump ...
19:24 < mnemoc_> azu2: www.plone.org
19:24 * rxr kicks the windows box once more ...
19:24 < mnemoc_> azu2: a CMS that works over zope
19:25 < rxr> I wonder if I should install win xp on my main workstation just
19:25 < azu2> ok, but I want anexternal german only Board
19:25 < rxr> however it has esoteric hardware like a dvb-t and 10 channel 96kHz 24bit should card
19:26 < rxr> guess this Windows hobby OS makes hicups there, too ...
19:27 < azu2> It will take a long time to finishthe site at www2
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19:28 < azu2> I can make an exampel tomorrow and show it you, ok?
19:29 < rxr> sure
19:29 < azu2> ok thanks
19:29 < azu2> I try my best
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19:36 < minto> Great :-( I blew the one server that was working.
19:37 < rxr> hi minto
19:37 < minto> hi rxr
19:37 < mnemoc> hi minto
19:37 < azu2> hallo minto
19:37 < minto> hi and hallo all
19:38 < rxr> what did you blow ?
19:38 < minto> mnemoc: Messing around with ooo made me destroy my server.
19:39 < mnemoc> :(
19:39 < mnemoc> sorry
19:39 < minto> I should slap myself. On my old rock system I did mine -r glibc23
19:39 < azu2> How many traffic do you have with this project on your server?
19:39 < mnemoc> non umount stuff after debug.sh?
19:39 < mnemoc> non umounted stuff after debug.sh?
19:40 < minto> It's not the umount stuff that killed it.
19:40 < minto> The server was not really connected to the internet
19:40 < minto> I use it mostly for development purposes and building t2.
19:41 < minto> azu2: Where are you from?
19:42 < minto> mnemoc: I tried installing T2 2.1.0 beta3 on it. However when installing I got some error on xorg. Something with libGL but I don't recall the exact error.
19:43 < azu2> I'm from Germany
19:43 < azu2> but I#m also from Poland
19:43 < mnemoc> minto: rc1!
19:43 < _Ragnar_> :)
19:43 < mnemoc> minto: beta3 is 'obsolete'
19:43 < minto> mnemoc: where can I find rc1?
19:44 < mnemoc> minto: i have a minimal(pmmx) and a desktop(p4) on my site
19:44 < mnemoc> minto: jeru has desktop(pmmx) and desktop(athlonX) somewhere
19:45 < minto> minimal should be enough for my server.
19:45 < mnemoc> rxr: is your copy of minimal-pmmx ok?
19:45 < mnemoc> minto: http://t2.geeks.cl/iso/
19:46 < mnemoc> minto: my international link is not the best, but...
19:47 < rxr> nope - not yet
19:47 < minto> mnemoc: Download in progress
19:48 < mnemoc> we will need a torrent.... some day...
19:51 < minto> oops, download might take a while: 2.3 Kb/sec
19:52 < mnemoc> :(
19:52 < mnemoc> abort, i'll set a torrent
19:53 < minto> Aborted, in the mean time I will install a torrent client.
19:54 < mnemoc> i have to learn to run a torrent too
19:57 < rxr> please don't stress mnemoc server
19:58 < rxr> I right now grap the copies ...
19:58 < minto> rxr: I already cancelled the download
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20:02 < mnemoc> hi sparc-kly
20:02 < sparc-kly> hi mnemoc . What sup :p
20:03 < mnemoc> nothing :
20:03 < mnemoc> :)
20:04 < minto> mnemoc: any idea where I can find the xmlhelp sources?
20:05 < _Lewellyn> morning
20:05 < minto> hi _Lewellyn
20:05 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: there's the self-tracking torrents now
20:06 < mnemoc> minto: uhm? inside ooo
20:07 < minto> mnemoc: Yeah but where? Which one of the downloads?
20:09 < mnemoc> minto: you have to start a build
20:09 < mnemoc> minto: ooo source is a big mess
20:10 < mnemoc> minto: ooo-builder is the only which understands the structure of that crap
20:10 < _Lewellyn> tell me again why people run ooo? :(
20:10 < mnemoc> because other poeple run ms word
20:12 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: any recommended reading about new torrents?
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20:12 < Postal> Hey all
20:12 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: dunno. bittorrent.org?
20:12 < _Lewellyn> bittornado.com?
20:13 < mnemoc> http://www.exeem.com/ <-- this thing?
20:13 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: tell me again why wordperfect sold to novell and let ms take over? :(
20:13 < mnemoc> http://www.bittorrent.com/trackerless.html :D
20:13 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: :(
20:13 < _Lewellyn> i've never heard of exeem
20:14 < azu2> exeem is a news peer to peer clint
20:15 < _Lewellyn> "yet another" new p2p client... :(
20:16 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
20:16 < _Ragnar_> not really new
20:16 < _Lewellyn> but still yet another
20:19 < _Lewellyn> hm. the web seems to indicate that exeem, contrary to their site's claims, is riddled with spyware
20:19 < mnemoc> pff
20:19 < rxr> pff - this damn damn windows crap
20:20 < _Lewellyn> rxr: why are you using windows?
20:20 < _Ragnar_> ;D
20:20 < rxr> no - but my driver reverse engeneer win98 self destroyed the USB support
20:20 < rxr> and I urgently need to grab some USB scanner i/o bits ...
20:20 < rxr> damn crap ...
20:21 < CIA-10> amery * r9725 /trunk/package/network/bittorrent/bittorrent.desc: * updated bittorrent (4.0.0 -> 4.0.2)
20:21 < _Ragnar_> o_O
20:21 < rxr> every time I need to touch a windows box I wonder how other people can endure to use this 100% of pure bullshit ...
20:22 < _Lewellyn> win98 is dead to microsoft
20:22 < rxr> really - I mean it - I mean nothing is working as it should in this hobby garage OS ...
20:22 < mnemoc> the power of marketing
20:22 < _Lewellyn> is there an official package list?
20:22 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: no, it's not dead. they _sell_ it to poor schools here
20:22 < Postal> I just tried net beans for the first time today and its really nice
20:22 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/
20:22 < minto> mnemoc: I found the cvs repository for xmlhelp
20:22 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: of course, unsupported
20:22 < minto> http://sc.openoffice.org/source/browse/util/xmlhelp
20:23 < mnemoc> minto: do they have notes or code about bdb43?
20:23 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: well, here, they wanted to discontinue all support for it. then the huge installed user base revolted :(
20:23 < _Lewellyn> winme is going to die before 98...
20:23 < minto> mnemoc: Dunno, just found it.
20:23 < _Lewellyn> and thanks, rxr
20:24 < Postal> Hey rxr and word on the 64bit livecd?
20:24 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: due to their generosity they sell win98 licenses to school on 30 dollars, and they can rent office97 on 15 more per year
20:25 < rxr> we need t2.com and put big price offers there - guess people will start to migrate then ...
20:25 < _Lewellyn> rent?
20:25 < _Lewellyn> and who maintains the wmx port?
20:26 < rxr> vuescan is also crap
20:26 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: three years minimal iirc ... of course the price is per station
20:26 < rxr> just hangs with my AV 220 under Linux ...
20:26 < rxr> ... of course my own driver works just fine ...
20:26 < _Lewellyn> hell, i can sell them licenses cheaper than that
20:26 < rxr> $ scp en_winxp_pro_with_sp2.iso sunrise:
20:27 < CIA-10> amery * r9726 /trunk/package/network/bittorrent/bittorrent.desc: * updated bittorrent (4.0.2 -> 4.1.2)
20:27 < rxr> so - my RAID spare will get a windwos install now - just to sniff a few button press bits of this damn windows driver that stopped working on my win98 testbed ...
20:27 < rxr> grummel ...
20:27 < Postal> Has anyone tried the Windows x64 yet?
20:27 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: you have to sign an agreement with our education minister first
20:27 < rxr> and thereafter my RAID gets the spare back ...
20:27 < _Lewellyn> Postal: not i.
20:27 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: lame.
20:27 < Postal> _Lewellyn, its actually pretty fast... not as fast as say t2, but its snappy
20:28 < _Lewellyn> so, how can one contact the maintainer for a package easily? :)
20:28 < rxr> not not that anyone thinks the above is warez - it is what I got over my universities academic license program ...
20:28 < Postal> _Lewellyn, they will let you have it free for 180 days
20:28 < _Lewellyn> Postal: with more registers, i'd hope so
20:28 < _Lewellyn> i know. i'm not installing it on my only 64bit box though
20:28 < _Lewellyn> i have a copy
20:28 < _Lewellyn> rxr: ya, best to clear that up since we were just talking p2p :)
20:28 < Postal> lol, the one thing i will say, is they really fucked up on driver support
20:29 < _Lewellyn> Postal: because they decided not to support 32bit drivers?
20:29 * _Lewellyn thinks it was a wise choice
20:29 < Postal> _Lewellyn, not so much, but yes, and then people have not gotten there 64bit dirvers out fast enough
20:29 < Postal> getting drivers is tough
20:29 < _Lewellyn> can't blame ms for companies dragging their feet
20:30 < rxr> btw the german academic license crap stinks
20:30 < _Lewellyn> ms clearly warns you when you exchange your license for a 64 bit license
20:30 < rxr> you need to download an .exe that downloads the actual file ...
20:30 < Postal> _Lewellyn, i think they should have allowed support for the 32bit drivers though... would make things easier for older hardware
20:30 < rxr> so you need windows installed to get it - quite annoying ...
20:30 < _Lewellyn> uh. ew.
20:30 < _Lewellyn> it would have been hell for the kernel
20:31 < rxr> no idea why they choose this strange way when they want accademic people to migrate from Un*x to Windows ...
20:31 < _Lewellyn> just what we need, more kernel issues in windows
20:31 * Postal thinks netbeans is pretty ;-)
20:31 * rxr thinks windows is the ugliest crap on earth ...
20:31 < mnemoc> "Windows is trustable"
20:31 * Postal would agree
20:31 < Postal> mnemoc, in what way?
20:32 < rxr> I need to be careful to disconnect any drive beside hdc - so that evil windows does not touch any of my precious other disks ...
20:32 < mnemoc> "you have the support of a big american company"
20:32 < Postal> mnemoc, which means very little
20:32 < mnemoc> not here
20:32 < Postal> ..?
20:33 < mnemoc> here that means a lot
20:34 * rxr cleaning moshrooms ...
20:34 < _Lewellyn> magic ones? :)
20:34 < rxr> while waiting the poor U30 burning this windows crap bits ... (onto a printed ROCK CD-R ...)
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20:34 < rxr> no - my evening dinner ...
20:35 < minto> Uh???? Berkely DB source are in Open Office cvs?
20:36 < _Lewellyn> probably modified :/
20:38 < minto> If they patch it there must be a good (I hope) reason for it. And if there is a reason they should share the patch with sleepycat.
20:38 < mnemoc> they have 'good' reasons to patch everything
20:39 < mnemoc> their repository weights 1.2G
20:39 < rxr> including gcc and glibc IIRC ...
20:39 < minto> these people probably get paid in kloc's
20:39 < rxr> "your system compiler is not trustworthy - bootstrapping an own one" ...
20:40 < minto> The more line of code the more money. It probably does not matter if the code belongs to others.
20:40 < rxr> .o(building OOO Linux kernel accelerator)
20:40 < rxr> or .o(building OOO optmized Linux kernel) == 30MB++ more ,-)
20:40 < mnemoc> o_O
20:41 < minto> OOO probably has a patched kernel in their repository as well then.
20:42 < mnemoc> to inject java vm
20:42 < minto> in kernal space?
20:42 < mnemoc> yeah :D
20:43 < minto> next step is to optimize the processor.
20:43 < minto> Maybe they should start optimizing OOO first.
20:43 < mnemoc> a processor which understand java bytecode natively :)
20:44 < minto> These processors already exist (I think)
20:44 < mnemoc> :(
20:45 < minto> have look: http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=24985
20:45 < mnemoc> i don't want to see that
20:49 < minto> mnemoc: xmlhelp sourcecode has not been touched in 8 weeks. Can't find any remards about bdb 4.3.
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20:51 < minto> Thank god it is only software. Firefox exploded right in my face. I could be dead.
20:51 < _Lewellyn> firefox is unsafe at any speed :)
20:54 < mnemoc> minto: i doubt they plan to support bdb43
20:55 * _Lewellyn wonders how long ooo catches up with emacs
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21:12 < rxr> re
21:12 < rxr> dmman
21:12 < rxr> man even ...
21:12 < rxr> this xp does take longer to load some basic drivers from CD than the whole T2 Live needs to boot into kde ...
21:17 < _Lewellyn> :)
21:18 < _Ragnar_> ;D
21:18 < _Lewellyn> http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/05/26/100522.php
21:18 < _Lewellyn> i think i need to print this out and post it on bulletin boards around the city
21:20 < rxr> we substatnly need to decreate functionality and quality from T2 and make it way slower and then we place some big $$$ signs on boxes and get rich
21:21 < rxr> and why needs it so long to install =
21:21 < rxr> hey - man - this is a 2500+ box with 512MB RAM ...
21:22 < _Lewellyn> it installs a LOT of crap, remember.
21:22 < _Lewellyn> and it pre-configures it for you.
21:22 < _Lewellyn> that much is at least forgiveable.
21:22 < rxr> in that time I managed to go shopping for some last evening dinner ingredients, sliced moshrooms and zucchini
21:22 < _Lewellyn> (providing you're speaking of xp)
21:23 < rxr> well - preconfiguring as in touching some key value or xml files?
21:23 < rxr> shoudl take not too long at 2500 pseudo Ghz ...
21:25 < rxr> and why is the HD crunching as if I would Build-Target with 8 parallel jobs inside a RAID5 array ...
21:25 < rxr> and why is there a baloon tip that my "computer might be at risk - Antivirus software might not be installed" ???
21:27 < rxr> and why did it assign my static IP to the 3com card when it had a Via integrated bla bla headline during install ?
21:29 < rxr> ouhm - and I lost my scanner driver CD again ..
21:29 < rxr> grummel
21:37 < _Lewellyn> rxr: windows is too complex. install dos. :)
21:37 < minto> ooo cvs is a bloody mess.
21:38 < minto> Actually windows is pretty advanced. They install it three times in one go (that's why it takes so long) to increase stability. If one of the installs crashed they switch on the spot to one of the other installs. Clever thinking.
21:40 < rxr> why the hell did I install the scanner driver if when I plug it in now this window crap searches for it on my cd rom and harddisk ...
21:41 < rxr> minto: you are kidding, right ?
21:41 < minto> sure
21:41 < rxr> please wait while the wizard is searching ...
21:41 < rxr> urh
21:42 < rxr> now - after 40 or 50 seconds (on my fresh non - garbage system with 2500 pseudo Mhz) it tells me it found a driver but it did not pass some windows logo testng blubs ?
21:44 < rxr> hm - the driver just scanned into a PDF
21:44 < rxr> when I click on it some dialog appears to either use some web service to install some program or to select some program from some list?
21:44 < rxr> why isn't is diplayed ?
21:44 < _Lewellyn> huh? the driver scanned itself? :)
21:45 < rxr> yeah - the driver insalls some button monitor daemon and when I press the scan button I can scan into a PDF
21:45 < rxr> (it is as 1000US$ scanner ...)
21:45 < rxr> over 25 pages per minute duplex and so on beast ...
21:45 < rxr> but how can I view this pdf now ?
21:46 < _Lewellyn> gsview :)
21:46 < rxr> hm - the web service proposes adpobe acrobat or photoshop elements ..
21:46 < rxr> _Lewellyn: where is that in windows?
21:46 < _Lewellyn> acrobat > 5 is dog slow
21:46 < rxr> and why is thr
21:46 < _Lewellyn> windows does not ship with a pdf viewer
21:46 < rxr> there no default mime association ?
21:46 < rxr> _Lewellyn: what ?
21:46 < rxr> I payed $$$ for it ...
21:46 < _Lewellyn> most systems ship with one. but ms does not make one of their own
21:46 < mnemoc> rxr: association is based on extension
21:47 < rxr> mnemoc: still it does not work after the vanilla install ...
21:47 < _Lewellyn> http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/gsview/
21:47 < _Lewellyn> or...
21:47 * rxr installing the i/o sniffer to get the few bits I need logged ...
21:47 < rxr> so I must be happy that it comes with a internet browser by default ?
21:48 < _Lewellyn> http://ardownload.adobe.com/pub/adobe/acrobatreader/win/5.x/5.1/AcroReader51_ENU.exe
21:48 < _Lewellyn> eh. lots of people didn't even want THAT
21:48 < rxr> why is the window not redrawn when this explorer thing stalls on a ftp source ?
21:48 < _Lewellyn> "people should be happy that it ships with ftp and telnet!"
21:48 < rxr> resize not possible either ...
21:48 < rxr> strange multi tasking ...
21:49 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFEF95.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
21:49 < _Lewellyn> ie freezes when there is blocking i/o
21:49 < morfoh> hello +
21:49 < _Lewellyn> re morfoh
21:49 < morfoh> hi _Lewellyn
21:49 < rxr> but it seems this new version at least is able to brose .zip by itself ...
21:49 < rxr> or is this due to I already downloaded 7-zip ?
21:51 < mnemoc> xp has native zip support
21:51 < _Lewellyn> are you in an explorer window or 7zfn?
21:51 < morfoh> hello mnemoc
21:52 < _Lewellyn> zp has native "slightly broken" zip support.
21:52 < rxr> what the heck
21:52 < _Lewellyn> apple copies that :(
21:52 * SerWou wondering what t2 guys are talking about
21:52 < rxr> I select files in a zip
21:52 < SerWou> ;)
21:52 < rxr> go out of the zip and right click - and where the hell got paste ?
21:53 < rxr> and why do I have to click on turn off to reboot ?
21:53 < rxr> hm - leaving the window open worked to copy paste zip content ...
21:54 < morfoh> rxr: btw, nice article you wrote
21:54 < rxr> windows is to strange for me - stops working randomly - non inuitive - few stuff works by default ...
21:54 < rxr> overal score: 4- or so ..
21:54 < SerWou> lol rxr
21:54 < rxr> in the usual 1-6 range ...
21:55 < rxr> SerWou: hey - ti does not even open pdf ....
21:55 < rxr> arggggggggggh
21:55 < mnemoc> rxr: use acroread
21:55 < rxr> damn buble telling me my computer is at risk - click
21:55 < SerWou> stop talk about bac things in the chat plz ;)
21:55 < rxr> mnemoc: I don't want to - ,-) I just need an i/o log ...
21:55 < SerWou> ha, it's XP SP2 ?
21:56 < rxr> I already wasted too much time tinkering with my self-destructed win98 ...
21:56 < rxr> that I usual use to log driver io ...o
21:56 < rxr> SerWou: yes ...
21:56 < rxr> I grabbed the latest greated from the uni academic service thing ..
21:56 < SerWou> unactive the crappy firewall/net security services
21:57 < rxr> what ?
21:57 < rxr> it is not even able to open a README withotu some "what to use" dialog ?
21:57 < rxr> SerWou: nah - the disk gets back into my RAID 5 array when I grabbed the i/o hbits ...
21:57 < SerWou> if you want to stop the bulble
22:00 < rxr> SerWou: I hope I do not have to reboot too often anymore
22:00 < rxr> SerWou: but thanks ,-)
22:00 < SerWou> please, i'm trying to forget win ;)
22:00 < SerWou> by the way, i'm a linux newbie, BUT gonna try to make my own customized t2 soon ;)
22:02 < mnemoc> SerWou: there is no 'customized t2', there are personal distributions built and maintained using T2
22:03 < SerWou> true
22:03 < SerWou> it was in oposition of templates in fact
22:03 < mnemoc> i think we should move 'template' code to generic target
22:04 < mnemoc> applying any of those templates to other targets is harmful
22:11 < rxr> ehrm?!?!
22:11 < rxr> Dialog:
22:11 < rxr> Title: FTP folder error
22:12 < rxr> Message: An error occured while coping the file to the server. Make seru you have permissoins to put the file on the server.
22:12 < rxr> Details: The file is in use by another process
22:12 < rxr> ?
22:12 < rxr> hey - it is a local windows issue and it tells me that I can not write into my ftp server ?!?!?
22:13 < rxr> guess the error path is a bit messed up ...
22:13 < mnemoc> set your 'explorer' to not show does stupid 'friendly errors'
22:13 < mnemoc> options -> advanced iirc
22:13 < rxr> yadda yadda ...
22:14 < rxr> the disk soon joins the RAID array and will be a happy spare disk again ...
22:14 < rxr> spare? sparse ...
22:14 < rxr> well you know what I mean ,-)
22:16 < minto> ooo is just like windows very advanced stuff. They even have 6 different string wrappers.
22:16 < minto> http://ooo.ximian.com/hackers-guide.html#section-2 see paragraph 5.6
22:16 < rxr> .oO
22:17 < rxr> oh - win-xp cmd has doskey by default
22:18 * rxr impressed
22:19 < minto> I hope I won't have ooo nightmares.
22:19 < minto> gn8 all
22:22 < rxr> n8 minto
22:28 < _Lewellyn> sleep well minto
22:29 < morfoh> good night minto
22:30 < mnemoc> sorry minto
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22:32 < rxr> hm - my (usb) keyboard does not awake winxp from standby - but a button on my usb mice ?
22:32 < rxr> how insane is that ...
22:32 < _Lewellyn> hit the spacebar
22:32 < _Lewellyn> :)
22:32 < rxr> I tried
22:32 < rxr> I can retry
22:32 < mnemoc> the worse part of winXP are the 'accessibility' features
22:33 < mnemoc> press your shift during 4 secs and die
22:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: ;)
22:33 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: they weren't so bad in pre-win2k versions of windows; you could at least shut them up and turn them on'off at YOUR will...
22:33 < rxr> no - space is no go ...
22:33 < rxr> enter neither
22:34 < rxr> slamming my hand on all keys not as well ..
22:34 < morfoh> ALT-F4
22:34 < rxr> hm - even moving the mice is enough it seems ...
22:34 < _Lewellyn> heh. my logitech kb, i just hit space.
22:34 < _Lewellyn> of course, i sleep it with the moon button on the kb
22:34 < rxr> my mice wakes it ...
22:34 < rxr> ok - let my press shift for 4s
22:35 < mnemoc> rxr: are you downloading iso-s from here?
22:35 < rxr> hm- shift does nothing
22:35 < rxr> nope - minimal finished
22:35 < mnemoc> press it until to listen a 'poink' or something like that
22:35 < rxr> I curl the desktop
22:40 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl:6969/
22:40 < mnemoc> .oO( how can i create the torrents now? )
22:44 * _Lewellyn is not a bt freak :)
22:44 * rxr neither
22:46 < morfoh> rxr btw....t2 livecd booted on a industrial workstation today
22:46 < _Lewellyn> define "industrial workstation" :)
22:53 < rxr> morfoh: specs to add ?
22:53 * rxr evening lunch ...
22:53 < rxr> my moshrooms and co ...
22:53 < _Lewellyn> mmm
22:54 -!- keinek [~keinek@201.254.15.10] has joined #t2
22:54 < keinek> hi
22:56 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl:6969/
22:56 < morfoh> so I'll do a walk now ... cu later
22:56 < mnemoc> head up morfoh
22:56 < morfoh> pfff ...
22:57 < morfoh> but anyway thanks ... mnemoc :)
22:57 < mnemoc> :(
23:00 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.217.238.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
23:00 < sepp> hello
23:15 < rxr> hi SerWou
23:16 < rxr> hi sepp even
23:16 [Users #t2]
23:16 [ _Lewellyn] [ jsaw ] [ morfoh] [ Postal] [ SerWou ]
23:16 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ keinek] [ mtr ] [ rxr ] [ valentin]
23:16 [ CIA-10 ] [ mnemoc] [ nzg ] [ sepp ]
23:16 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal]
23:16 * rxr shower ..
23:16 < sepp> hi rxr
23:23 < rxr> re
23:25 < sepp> i made a pkg for rt2500 wifi drivers, 2.4 support is broken - should i waste time to fix it or will 2.2 have no linux24 support at all?
23:26 < _Lewellyn> why would people want linux24 at this point?
23:27 < rxr> sepp: no 2.4 support is fine for trunk
23:27 < rxr> we might indeed drop 2.4 in trunk for 2.2 ...
23:27 < _Lewellyn> and if they know that they do, aren't they capable of compiling it themselves?
23:27 < sepp> good ;)
23:29 < sepp> i pateched it to compile but if there is no need for linux24 i wont look at the broken irq code :)
23:59 < rxr> windows stinks ... - I need to open a window ...
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