T2 IRC Log: 2005-06-17

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--- Log opened Fri Jun 17 00:00:00 2005
00:14 < rxr> ok - I'm soon in bed ...
00:14 < sepp> i'll crawl into bed now, good night all
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00:25 * rxr takes the last water glas for tonight and will then be in bed, soonish
00:33 < rxr> ok - cu people
00:39 < _Lewellyn> sleep well
02:05 < morfoh> re ...and good night
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05:21 < _Ragnar_> rxr: btw linux26 still complains about files outside basedir
05:21 < _Ragnar_> seems a depmod gets run somewhere
05:40 < rxr> re
06:01 * rxr coffee
06:04 < rxr> mnemoc: 34 652M 34 225M 0 0 23627 0 8:02:16 2:46:52 5:15:23 2915987
06:04 < rxr> curl: (18) transfer closed with 447103792 bytes remaining to read
06:04 < rxr> ?
06:05 < mnemoc> i F* my network...
06:05 < mnemoc> i added a second link
06:05 < mnemoc> with a second 'default route'
06:06 < mnemoc> but it seems to have confused
06:06 < rxr> ah - ok - I feared it was my fault ...
06:06 < rxr> mnemoc: is some production service affected and you have trouble now ?
06:06 < mnemoc> _all_
06:08 < rxr> .oO
06:12 < mnemoc> init 6
06:12 < mnemoc> and praying
06:13 < mnemoc> yes!
06:16 < mnemoc> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/iso/
06:16 < mnemoc> rxr: i'll set the torrent now
06:18 < rxr> puh
06:19 < rxr> mnemoc: please stop to frighten me ...
06:19 < mnemoc> after adding the second link i set the broadcast as the router of the 'old' link
06:19 < mnemoc> s/router/gw/
06:20 < rxr> hey - you moved the files around ..
06:22 < mnemoc> yes
06:22 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/iso/minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx/
06:22 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/iso/desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4/
06:22 < mnemoc> to do the torrents thing
06:22 < rxr> saw taht .-)
06:23 < mnemoc> it seems i'll get a job to do a demo livecd for a mod_mono ERP
06:24 < mnemoc> www.humano2.org
06:24 < rxr> cool!
06:24 < rxr> seems I urgently need to get the live cd bits into trunk/ ,-)
06:24 < mnemoc> :)
06:29 < rxr> did they saw the livecd yet?
06:30 < rxr> how did you go to that deal?
06:31 < mnemoc> 'someone' recommended me
06:31 < mnemoc> i point them to T2@live
06:31 < mnemoc> but hte haven't seen it yet
06:33 < rxr> good that my rock-devel t2 link did not caused a flamewar ...
06:35 < mnemoc> :)
06:39 < rxr> did you see it ?
06:43 < mnemoc> beta1 was my last
07:57 < rxr> hm- the mouse wheel does not work by default in windows-xp ?
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08:43 < rxr> ok - /me showering and breakfast - 'nough scanner hackery with empty stomarch
08:51 < rxr>
08:51 < rxr> Mono Project 1.1.8
08:53 < rxr> "It appears that apple has trademarked the word "Numbers""
08:53 < rxr> how I hate these times ...
08:55 < _Ragnar_> ...
08:56 < rxr> good we can still do ExactWritings - ExactValues and ExactPresentation
08:56 < rxr> valentin: ^- we ned to get trademarks for "ExactWritings, ExactValues and ExactPresent"
08:56 < rxr> before they are all gone ...
08:57 < rxr> and first of course ExactEdit - since all editors get on my nerves ...
08:59 * _Ragnar_ siiighs
09:10 < rxr> because I'm not happy with any editor? or because you think the same ??
09:27 < minto> Good morning
09:36 < rxr> moin minto
09:42 < minto> rxr: Do you have that minimal iso from mnemoc somewhere?
09:42 < rxr> yep
09:42 < rxr> one second
09:42 < minto> cool
09:43 < rxr> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/space/
09:43 < rxr> right now I check the md5
09:43 < rxr> they will be linked to the official URL after that
09:44 < rxr> the url need to store it there since my other huge IBM disk has only a few good blocks left ...
09:44 < rxr> I wonder if a goodblock bitmap would be significant smaller than the badblock one on that device ...
09:45 < rxr> desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_cd1.iso: OK
09:46 < rxr> desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_cd2.iso: OK
09:47 < rxr> minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx_cd1.iso: OK
09:56 < minto> Ahh, download completed.
09:56 < rxr> ,-)
09:56 < rxr> what rate ?
10:05 < minto> Can't see anymore. But started at nearly 2000 Kb/sec and rapidly dropped to around 400 Kb/sec.
10:13 < rxr> maybe the drop was when I started md5sum --check ,-) and the disk head had to vibrate a lot ,-)
10:16 < rxr> aiiiiiiiii
10:16 < rxr> did I mention that I hate most hardware engineers?
10:16 < rxr> how can they implement such a crap all them time ...
10:18 < minto> rxr: Maybe you should more emphasize what you do like, then I know you hate the rest :-)
10:25 < rxr> I do not like that every new scanner needs new hacks ..
10:25 < rxr> the 199x models where so fine - and the 200x models require one more hack after the other ...
10:25 < rxr> I wonder how they manage to cripple their hardware more and more with each new version ...
10:25 < rxr> and why the change working silicon at al ...
10:43 < rxr> hm - strange windows anmimation effect to only move the window title for maximize and normalize ...
10:43 < rxr> looks a bit strange, defect and cheap ...
10:43 < rxr> well - but I already found out that is what windows is about ...
10:43 < rxr> so - the disk get's back into the RAID-5 array - bye bye ...
10:46 < rxr> ah - my precious t2 - how good it feels ...
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11:32 < rxr> valentin: someone just called me due to the diplom concert
11:32 < rxr> valentin: asked if we go by car ... - he would then also take the train and he said there is a eurpoe special for 29EUR berlin - amsterdamm ...
11:32 < sepp> hello
11:33 < rxr> valentin: and one could get out of the train before amsterdam and the remaining part would cost 6 EUR or so ...
11:33 < rxr> valentin: should be way cheaper than what the bahn online planer told us ...
11:33 < rxr> sepp: hi
11:33 < sepp> rxr: this special offer costs 39euro
11:34 < rxr> hm - I'm sure the one on the phone said 29 ...
11:34 < rxr> http://www.db.de/site/bahn/en/travelling/tickets/summer__special__europe/summer__special__europe.html
11:34 < sepp> yes but not if you leave germany
11:35 < rxr> hm - indeed ...
11:35 < rxr> well, anyway
11:35 < rxr> ah no:
11:35 < rxr> From Berlin
11:35 < rxr> for 29 to: Amsterdam, Prague, Cracow and Warsaw
11:36 < sepp> strange
11:36 < sepp> http://www.bahn.de/-S:PtVORd:d4XmRdNNZANuQtNNNPEM/p/view/preise/aktionspreis/sommer_spezial_europa.shtml
11:36 < rxr> yeah - as is the bahn
11:36 < sepp> says 39
11:36 < rxr> maybe that is in general and then there are per city special offers ..
11:37 < rxr> who knows with the chaos at this #!?!?KJSD! company ...
11:39 < sepp> how should i do a build nothing for a 3rd party mod. ?
11:39 < sepp> custmain="" ?
11:39 < rxr> custmain=true
11:40 < rxr> IIRC
11:40 < rxr> grep for custmain in other postlinux.conf - I did this a few times
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11:40 < sepp> custmain="true"
11:40 < sepp> :)
11:41 < rxr> ah - yes IIRC if custmain is empty it if of course not used ...
11:41 < rxr> so you need to fill s.th. in ... ,-)
11:41 < rxr> and for true I have a quick pass IIRC - to skip a lot of otherwise unnecessarily executed code ,-)
11:58 < sepp> "leider konnte zu Ihrer Anfrage keine Verbindung gefunden werden"
11:58 < sepp> uhm
11:59 < valentin> re
11:59 < valentin> rxr: who is "someone" ?
12:00 < rxr> don't know - someone of those we have been in the caf? with after the concert in the church
12:00 < rxr> I think he did not mention is name on the phone - he started I'm a freind of falk and heiner ...
12:00 < rxr> ... ,-)
12:01 < valentin> hm
12:01 < rxr> hm ?
12:01 < valentin> when do we need to order those tickets ?
12:01 < rxr> 3 days before we go ...
12:02 < sepp> no they are limited ;)
12:02 < sepp> for the bahn it means only a few/train
12:02 < valentin> think so
12:02 < valentin> do we need to stay a complete weekend ?
12:03 < rxr> # LD_LIBRARY_PATH=../lib/ ./a.out
12:03 < rxr> Hello World! (A simple C++ program.)
12:03 < rxr> so - finally - did I mention that icpc is crap as well ...
12:03 < rxr> crappy day ...
12:03 < rxr> .o(why do I have to do so much junk ... )
12:03 < rxr> valentin: our driver can now handle the buttons of the AV220 and AV210
12:04 < rxr> though the later still is not able to image data ...
12:04 < rxr> get
12:04 < rxr> but I asked in taiwan - I hope they have an idea what their precious silicon does not like this time
12:24 < CIA-1> sebastian * r9727 /trunk/package/network/rt2500/ (6 files): * added rt2500 (1.1.0-b2)
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12:47 < morfoh> hi
12:57 < rxr> hi
12:58 < morfoh> rxr: didn't we solved this autoconf issue in trunk ? -> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/jeru/boot/log/1-autoconf.err
12:59 < rxr> hm - no idea -)
13:05 < morfoh> ok ... I guess this is a randomly occuring error .. ;)
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13:08 < rxr> valentin: icpc spits out a lot of warnings in our gsmp code base ...
13:09 < morfoh> rxr: I told ... this autoconf crap is a random error ... after I restarted the bootdisk target it was build
13:11 < morfoh> but for now I'm lucky with it, because after the bootdisk finished I'm able to create officially rc1 athlon-xp iso's ;)
13:11 < rxr> hm - either parallel or hardware glitch ,-)
13:12 < morfoh> rxr: hmmmm .... I'd say hardware, but the same error occured on different boxes till now. mnemoc and keinek reported the same issue some days ago
13:13 < rxr> ok ...
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13:25 < rxr> valentin: our C++ PCM template type convertions are often 2x faster with ICC ...
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13:25 < rxr> though sometimes 2x slower ...
13:26 < rxr> and I increase the no. of iterations - ICC on my athlon consumes as less time to get no measureable ticks passed ...
13:26 < rxr> -int8 -> int32 no acc. 1 953.67 953.67 3814.70 4768.37
13:26 < rxr> -int8 -> int32 no acc. unr. 1 953.67 953.67 3814.70 4768.37
13:26 < rxr> +int8 -> int32 no acc. 0infinfinfinf
13:26 < rxr> +int8 -> int32 no acc. unr. 0infinfinfinf
13:26 < rxr> ...
13:32 < morfoh> rxr: you announced an openldap update to version 2.3.4 yesterday, I want to check. Are you able to connect to http://www.openldap.org ?
13:35 < rxr> morfoh: mnemoc said it is a devel release
13:35 < rxr> site appears dead here, too
13:37 < valentin> rxr: interessting...
13:40 < rxr> I think some test cases differ when built with ICC
13:42 < rxr> what do you think is a reasonable amount of resourced needed by a compiler to compile a 1.x MB file of C++ code with hefty template usage ?
13:42 < valentin> 1.x MB after cpp ?
13:43 < rxr> no - before - since hafly preprocessed due to included Pooma C++ template sets ...
13:44 < rxr> normaly distributed alone but included in this benchmark ...
13:44 < valentin> so how many MB after gcc -E ?
13:44 < rxr> 2.9
13:44 < rxr> MB
13:45 < rxr> ICC get's out-of-memory killed after it consumed over 600MB or RAM on my Athlon ...
13:45 < valentin> wow
13:45 < rxr> gcc builds it ...
13:45 < rxr> wow 2.9MB or WoW 600MB ?
13:45 < valentin> normaly i would guess mem about #lines * 60
13:45 < valentin> wow 600 MB
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13:47 < azureus> hi @ all
13:48 < valentin> hi poison frog ,)
13:49 < azureus> is anything new?
13:50 < valentin> since yesterday ? not quite ...
13:51 < azureus> ok
13:52 < azureus> Is anyoine from the 22. bis 25.
13:52 < azureus> oh
13:53 < azureus> Is anyone from the 22. until the 25 July in Kalsruhr?
13:53 < azureus> at the LinuxTag?
13:53 < rxr> not me
13:54 < rxr> most probably not that is at least
13:56 < rxr> Microsoft beschleunigt Filesharing
13:56 < rxr> Microsoft Research k?nnte mit seiner P2P-Plattform Avalanche das verbreitete Filesharing-System BitTorrent abh?ngen
13:57 < rxr> was M$ BSA about preventing warez? now they accelerate them ?
13:57 < rxr> guess their market share decreased too much ...
14:05 < rxr> 12227 rene 18 0 502m 427m 1108 R 47.6 84.8 0:11.02 mcpcom
14:05 < rxr> (0): internal error: ilio_malloc: out of memory -- 3c40408 bytes requested
14:05 < rxr> icpc: error: problem during multi-file optimization compilation (code 4)
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14:11 < rxr> 12301 rene 18 0 1000m 379m 616 D 15.6 75.4 0:24.43 mcpcom
14:12 < rxr> 12301 rene 18 0 1254m 444m 216 R 4.9 88.1 0:25.66 mcpcom
14:14 < rxr> ok - I control-C'ed ...
14:14 < rxr> I try with 1GB of additional swap
14:15 < rxr> Swap: 1242248
14:15 < rxr> ...
14:20 < rxr> (null)(0) : (col. 0) remark: LOOP WAS VECTORIZED.
14:20 < rxr> ???
14:20 < rxr> guess that is a but in ICC ... :-(((
14:21 < rxr> ok - with that much swap ICC gets further ...
14:21 < rxr> peak was 1.3GB of memory used ...
14:22 < rxr> right now it is at -<
14:22 < rxr> 12361 rene 18 0 867m 378m 3680 R 65.6 75.0 3:03.89 mcpcom
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14:24 < azureus> re
14:29 < rxr> ohm - /me off to get lunch - ICC is still crunching on this benchmark and after partially sorting my desk and visiting my toilet the only thing left is lunch, ...
14:30 < rxr> 12361 rene 18 0 804m 370m 3496 R 1.0 73.6 5:06.57 mcpcom
14:30 < rxr> 97% IO-wait due to constantly swapping ...
14:35 < rxr> oh - finished
14:35 < rxr> argh
14:35 < rxr> no - what the heck
14:35 < rxr> /usr/lib/libc.a(strtol.o)(.text+0x31): In function `strtol':
14:35 < rxr> ../sysdeps/generic/strtol.c:109: multiple definition of `strtol'
14:35 < rxr> /opt/intel/cc/9.0/lib/libcprts.a(strtol.o)(.text+0x11a):strtol.c: first defined here
14:35 < rxr> ld: Warning: size of symbol `strtol' changed from 260 in /opt/intel/cc/9.0/lib/libcprts.a(strtol.o) to 48 in /usr/lib/libc.a(strtol.o)
14:35 < rxr> my god ...
14:43 < morfoh> hmmm ... the new updated strongswan don't build anymore:/
14:50 < morfoh> btw, hi valentin :)
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14:58 < valentin> hi morfoh
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15:15 < azureus1> I will make now the german support Board
15:27 < CIA-1> chris * r9728 /trunk/package/security/strongswan/ (strongswan.conf strongswan.desc):
15:27 < CIA-1> * updated strongswan (2.4.2 -> 2.4.4)
15:27 < CIA-1> * changed the conf file to use some sed Makefile hacks again
15:27 < CIA-1> * Note: this version builds fine but is not well tested till now
15:28 < morfoh> rxr: finaly it builds, but I still have to integrate smartcard support ;)
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15:34 < rxr> morfoh: do you need sc support
15:35 < morfoh> atm ... I don't need sc support ...
15:36 < morfoh> rxr: but it would be nice to have it available
15:37 < morfoh> rxr: but no high prio for it atm
15:49 * rxr shortly away
15:50 < azureus1> http://t2.pc-help-city.de/index.php here I have made a simpel exampel of a german Board
15:53 < azureus1> of course are there other themes
15:54 < azureus1> what do you think about this?
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16:08 < azureus1> hi minto
16:09 < minto> hi azureus1
16:09 < minto> hi *
16:10 < morfoh> hi minto :)
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16:11 < azureus1> so what do xou think about www.t2.pc-help-city.de ??
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16:15 < azureus1> Is the Theme good or bad?
16:16 < morfoh> azureus1: will take a look on it later
16:16 < morfoh> have to go now ... cu * later
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16:18 < azureus1> bye
16:20 < rxr> Building ... 180.94 + 5.49
16:20 < rxr> Building ... 179.95 + 5.22
16:20 < rxr> Avg: 185.80000
16:20 < rxr> Running (cache warmup) ... 39.26 + 0.16
16:20 < rxr> Running ... 39.23 + 0.12
16:20 < rxr> Running ... 39.24 + 0.12
16:20 < rxr> my tempalte intensive C++ benchmark with ICC 9.0
16:21 < rxr> hm
16:21 < rxr> it appears gcc generated code is way faster
16:22 < rxr> yep over 5! times slower than the fasted gcc-4.0 output ... !!!
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16:32 < mnemoc_> moin
16:32 < azureus1> hi
16:33 < mnemoc_> hi
16:36 < rxr> moin mnemoc_
16:36 < rxr> rehi btw.
16:37 < rxr> mnemoc_: my recent article shows, even ICC is not as maverlous as Intel and certain people try to make it
16:37 < rxr> mnemoc_: scrollback you can see how many GB RAM it eats for a 2MB C++ file ..
16:38 < rxr> and btw. it miscompiles Botan-1.x (C++ crypto ...)
16:38 < rxr> both issues filled in the Intel premier support section
16:38 < rxr> let's see how quick they react ....
16:39 < mnemoc_> 12301 rene 18 0 1254m 444m 216 R 4.9 88.1 0:25.66 mcpcom <--- this? isn't a leak?
16:40 < rxr> not necessarily ... the 2MB C++ source is very teplate intensive
16:40 < rxr> most probably very unprofiled / not well designed data structures in ICC
16:40 < rxr> and it also free()s about 600MB at some point ...
16:41 < rxr> .o(I could throw valgrind on ICC - though I fear it would not finish crunching this year)
16:41 < rxr> at least not on my poor 512MB athlon ...
16:42 * mnemoc_ wonders what intel would say
16:43 < rxr> I could quote the relase not statting that it of course supports Intel compatible AMD CPUs ...
16:43 < rxr> also I have a full commercial license now - so I have one year full premier support and can request to fix whatever on their ticket system
16:44 < rxr> though I wonder how quickly they will fix it
16:44 < rxr> at ICC 8.0 times they fixed my two reported miscompiles within a day
16:44 < rxr> tough I think they already had the mod lingering around from other peoples report
17:04 < mnemoc_> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl:6969/ <--- operative
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17:50 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 TAGGED - official .iso creation in progress | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
17:50 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005]
17:50 [Users #t2]
17:50 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw ] [ mtr] [ sepp_ ] [ veki]
17:50 [ azureus_away] [ minto ] [ nzg] [ SerWou ]
17:50 [ CIA-1 ] [ mnemoc_] [ rxr] [ valentin]
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17:51 < rxr> hm
17:51 < rxr> strange
17:51 < rxr> ok - anyway
17:51 < rxr> mnemoc_: but we do not want the tracker on your host, do we ?
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17:55 < mnemoc_> rxr: if you have a better alternative, tell me
17:56 < sepp_> dobry den
17:57 < mnemoc_> rxr: i put .torrent files here: http://t2.geeks.cl/mirror/
18:00 < sepp_> can someone tell me what http://cvs.cinelerra.org/cvsusage.html is in .desc cvs syntax?
18:00 < rxr> mnemoc_: what does need to go thru the firewall ?
18:00 < rxr> only http ?
18:01 < mnemoc_> tracker does HTTP over one port
18:01 < mnemoc_> you choose which
18:01 < mnemoc_> seeders need a range of tcp ports
18:01 < mnemoc_> trackless seeders need that range also on udp
18:02 < rxr> is the tracker some special app or apache ?
18:02 < rxr> I can provide http:// tracker - even if it is not apache - (i have a second IP in the TFH range I could bind it on)
18:03 < mnemoc_> bttracker.py is an standalone
18:03 < mnemoc_> but there is a mod_bt for apache2 (which is alpha)
18:06 < rxr> ok - so not for me - I have seen enough crappy software in my life - I'll not throw alpha mods into my apache ..
18:07 < rxr> but I have a seperate IP anyway ...
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18:10 < bitsko2> rxr: reading the logs, back in April you had a problem getting coreutils to build 'df' while cross compiling. Did you get that working?
18:16 < rxr> nope - since it was not a show-stopper I did not investiga it further
18:16 < rxr> however now that you bring it up, I could take a look ,-)
18:18 < rxr> I think I power up my U30 or so ...
18:18 < bitsko2> I can get it to try to build df, but then it breaks on one of the other support libs, and tweaking the configure to get it to build that lib has been ... a little difficult ;)
18:18 < rxr> it is just too unpleasunt to type on my heating iBook while compiling - somehow I got used to normal keyboards again ...
18:19 < rxr> bitsko2: but when you do not modify it coreutils built cross, right?
18:19 < bitsko2> diffing a native config.status and the cross config.status doesn't seem to show which flag(s) are selecting the libs to be included
18:19 < bitsko2> yes, otherwise all of coreutils builds fine
18:19 < rxr> bitsko2: you have seen that the configure explicitly not include df for cross build?
18:20 < rxr> I think due to not be able to test compile some file or so IIRC
18:20 < rxr> bitsko2: what do you you for cross compiling or do you do it manually?
18:21 < bitsko2> how do you mean?
18:22 < rxr> what do you use ,-)
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18:23 < bitsko2> we have Dan Kegel's crosstools generated toolchain installed. I've been doing the configure/make by hand to work on this issue. we've got an RPM for the whole package working, until we discovered df missing.
18:23 < bitsko2> RH9 host, ppc target
18:25 < rxr> Tiny commercial: aside from this issue with df T2 might should be a big help cross compiling custom things ,-)
18:25 < rxr> bitsko2: I can look into df this night or tomorrow morning
18:25 < rxr> right now I need to finish a ICC article for the german linux magazine ,-)
18:25 < bitsko2> np
18:26 < bitsko2> no need to put any effort into it. I stopped by hoping you'd already discovered it. If not I'll keep plugging away at it.
18:27 < rxr> plugging away?
18:28 < rxr> bitsko2: well - i consider it a bug that it is missing in a cross compile - I'll fix it - and if it is a help for you I'll can work on it in my next free time slot
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18:30 < bitsko2> plugging away -- working persistently
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18:31 < bitsko2> ok, thx. I'll keep an eye on the irc logs. If I come up with a solution I'll drop by and let you know.
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18:39 < morfoh> re hi
18:39 < azureus> wb mohrfroh
18:39 < morfoh> hi azureus
18:41 < minto> hi morfoh :-)
18:41 < mnemoc_> hi morfoh
18:42 < mnemoc_> Cksum ERROR: download/local/A/AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.bz2.cksum-err (3931208798)
18:42 < mnemoc_> i hate that!
18:43 < minto> :'-) boehoe, snif snif
18:43 < morfoh> hi mnemoc_
18:43 < minto> hi mnemoc_
18:44 < minto> mnemoc_: Your minimal iso was not able to bring my server to live properly.
18:45 < morfoh> btw, where should I upload the fresh rc1 athlon-xp iso set
18:45 < mnemoc_> morfoh: http://t2.geeks.cl:6969/
18:45 < mnemoc_> minto: what problem?
18:45 < minto> It start up with some errors (to fast to read). Then the login prompt show up and things look promising. However, when entering username it takes a while and I have to enter the username again. It never asks for a password.
18:46 < morfoh> mnemoc_: bever succesfully used bittorrent
18:46 < morfoh> never
18:46 < mnemoc_> morfoh: http://t2.geeks.cl/iso/maketorrent.sh
18:46 < mnemoc_> morfoh: and send .torrent to me
18:46 < morfoh> mnemoc_: hehe :D
19:09 < CIA-1> rene * r9731 /trunk/package/games/crimson/crimson.desc: * updated crimson (0.4.6 -> 0.4.8)
19:16 < mnemoc_> rxr: i'll add your current t2.iso my the tracker, what version is it?
19:17 < mnemoc_> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/t2/stable/2.2.0-beta/t2-live-2.2.0-gamma.iso <--- is it this one?
19:20 < rxr> yes
19:21 < mnemoc_> i do $foo/$foo.{iso,md5}
19:21 < mnemoc_> so, if you want to join the party, you can seed :p
19:32 < rxr> mnemoc_: please rename the files to t2-*
19:32 < rxr> otherwise the context is not too clear when you have them lingering around ..
19:32 < mnemoc_> ok
19:33 < mnemoc_> can i add optimization to your?
19:34 < _Ragnar_> rxr: ping?
19:38 < mnemoc_> rxr: t2-$name-$ver-$opt/t2-$name-$ver-$opt*
19:39 < mnemoc_> rxr: is t2.iso pmmx?
19:41 < bitsko2> rxr: I diffed the output of a native configure and the cross configure and set all the cross compile defaults to match the native discovered values. it's about thirty variables, should I paste them here or email?
19:41 < bitsko2> oh, and df compiled ;)
19:42 < mnemoc_> minto: using shift-pgup/pgdown you can scroll and see what error you got
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19:44 < mnemoc_> hi sparc-kly
19:47 < bitsko2> I'll paste them here so they show up in the log, so the next person like me who searches for them will find them:
19:47 < bitsko2> am_cv_func_working_getline=yes
19:47 < bitsko2> utils_cv_func_mkdir_trailing_slash_bug=no
19:47 < bitsko2> utils_cv_func_mkstemp_limitations=no ac_cv_func_closedir_void=no
19:47 < bitsko2> fu_cv_sys_stat_statfs2_bsize=yes ac_cv_func_getgroups_works=yes
19:47 < bitsko2> ac_cv_func_fnmatch_gnu=yes ac_cv_func_strnlen_working=yes
19:47 < bitsko2> ac_cv_func_strtod=yes ac_cv_func_memcmp_working=yes
19:47 < bitsko2> ac_cv_func_strcoll_works=yes
19:47 < bitsko2> jm_cv_func_working_re_compile_pattern=yes
19:47 < bitsko2> gl_cv_func_working_utimes=yes ac_cv_func_malloc_0_nonnull=yes
19:47 < bitsko2> ac_cv_func_realloc_0_nonnull=yes ac_cv_func_getcwd_null=yes
19:47 < bitsko2> gl_cv_func_tzset_clobber=no
19:47 < bitsko2> ac_cv_func_lstat_dereferences_slashed_symlink=yes
19:47 < bitsko2> ac_cv_func_lstat_empty_string_bug=no jm_cv_func_nanosleep_works=yes
19:48 < bitsko2> jm_cv_func_svid_putenv=yes ac_cv_func_stat_empty_string_bug=no
19:48 < bitsko2> ac_cv_func_utime_null=yes vb_cv_func_rename_trailing_slash_bug=no
19:48 < bitsko2> ac_cv_func_chown_works=yes jm_ac_cv_func_link_follows_symlink=no
19:48 < bitsko2> jm_cv_have_proc_uptime=yes gl_cv_func_working_readdir=yes
19:48 < bitsko2> jm_cv_func_gettimeofday_clobber=no jm_cv_func_unlink_busy_text=yes
19:48 < bitsko2> utils_cv_localtime_cache=no 2>&1 | tee configure.output
19:49 < bitsko2> Note: by "native" I meant native RH9 i386, not a native host that is the same as my target. The target is GNU/Linux, though. i686-pc-linux-gnu and powerpc-603-linux-gnu to be precise.
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20:08 < rxr> _Ragnar_: pong
20:08 < rxr> re
20:08 < _Ragnar_> re;)
20:08 < _Ragnar_> uhm ... any idea what I can do about those depmod errors?
20:08 < mnemoc_> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl:6969/ ... can i add optimization to t2-live? which?
20:09 < rxr> pentium-mmx
20:10 < rxr> _Ragnar_: the outside basedir ?
20:10 < _Ragnar_> yea
20:34 < _Ragnar_> any idea?
20:35 < mnemoc_> rene has his mind on icc article today :)
20:36 < _Ragnar_> ;p
20:36 < _Ragnar_> I mean, this also breaks a generic build ...
20:37 < mnemoc_> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html <--- i hate my current pre-merge build :(
20:44 < mnemoc_> http://t2.geeks.cl:6969/ <--- seeders welcomed
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21:24 < valentin> re
21:26 < valentin> rxr: here ?
21:28 < rxr> 21:28 < rxr> mnemoc_: no - on explaining pipes and processes to susan ...
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22:07 < _Lewellyn> question...
22:08 < _Lewellyn> which package installs ddate(1)?
22:09 < _Lewellyn> alternative question...
22:09 < _Lewellyn> how can i easily find out for myself?
22:17 < _Lewellyn> aha. yay grep
22:17 < _Lewellyn> (util-linux, btw)
22:37 < mnemoc_> re
22:38 < mnemoc_> rxr: statistics about compilers might be easier :)
22:40 < mnemoc_> rxr: i think it's better to use your free port at univ for sharing torrents than to set the tracker
22:40 < CIA-1> sebastian * r9732 /trunk/package/x11/wmacpi/ (makfile-install.patch prefix.patch wmacpi.desc): * updated wmacpi (1.34 -> 2.1)
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22:43 < mnemoc_> _Lewellyn: grep ddate /var/adm/flist/*
22:50 < sepp> hi mnemoc
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22:57 < mnemoc_> hi sepp
22:57 < azureus> I've got a problem.
22:58 < mnemoc_> :(
22:58 < azureus> I Installed T2 on an Notebook, but when he wanted to boot Grub there is an erreo 17
22:59 < sepp> maybe lilo works ?
22:59 < mnemoc_> .oO( what is error 17? )o
23:00 < azureus> I dont know, this is why I ask
23:01 < sepp> was it "17 : Cannot mount selected partition" ?
23:01 < mnemoc_> Cannot mount selected partition
23:01 < mnemoc_> azureus: you have to specify the right root partition
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23:05 < azureus> I dont know what you said
23:05 < azureus> sry.
23:05 < azureus> Can you repeat this please?
23:06 < mnemoc_> [17:00:37] I dont know, this is why I ask
23:06 < mnemoc_> [17:01:49] was it "17 : Cannot mount selected partition" ?
23:06 < mnemoc_> [17:01:58] Cannot mount selected partition
23:06 < mnemoc_> [17:02:18] azureus: you have to specify the right root partition
23:06 < _Ragnar_> re
23:06 < mnemoc_> re ra
23:08 < azureus> How I can specify the right partition?
23:10 < mnemoc_> i don't use grub, but looking at this screenshot http://www.t2-project.org/live/grub.png i think pressing 'e' :)
23:12 < azureus> Gtub dosent start, i dont see anything, only Error 17
23:15 < azureus> Have I to install t2 new?
23:15 < mnemoc_> i doubt
23:15 < sepp> do you have a floppy drive?
23:16 < azureus> no
23:16 < mnemoc_> or using the cd you used to install
23:16 < azureus> I use the cd to install it
23:17 < mnemoc_> use that cd to boot, get a shell, mount rw your / and edit grub.conf (?) to use the right root partition
23:17 < azureus> I will try it
23:18 < sepp> or use the livecd, and use the grub shell
23:18 < mnemoc_> :)
23:19 < azureus> good idea
23:21 * mnemoc_ would like to have more seeders so he can really offer bt as download localtion :(
23:22 < sepp> seeders are users that got the file already and are only uploading?
23:22 < rxr> mnemoc_: what to do to seed ?
23:22 < azureus> Can I put the live-iso on my server?
23:22 < _Ragnar_> I'm dling the livecd to seed
23:23 < mnemoc_> sepp: yes
23:23 < mnemoc_> rxr: get .torrent, simulate it's content and start btlaunchmany.py
23:24 < mnemoc_> http://t2.geeks.cl/mirror/t2-live-2.2.0-gamma-pmmx.torrent
23:24 < mnemoc_> that is .torrent file
23:24 < azureus> Have I to download it?
23:25 < azureus> Or have i to download it from the ftp server
23:25 < rxr> mnemoc_: in some days I get give you seeders
23:26 < rxr> but I need to upgrade some disks first
23:28 < mnemoc_> azureus: ftp might be faster
23:28 < mnemoc_> rxr: what will we do with rc1?
23:29 < azureus> can I copy the ISO also on my ftp Server?
23:30 < mnemoc_> you can do what ever you want with your copy of the file :)
23:30 < mnemoc_> but if you join the torrent, much better
23:30 < azureus> The other people can download it from my site
23:31 < azureus> ok mom
23:31 < rxr> mnemoc_: release this weekend
23:31 < mnemoc_> will we have .iso-s on ftp?
23:32 < mnemoc_> azureus: btw, you can download files from ftp and then simulate you got them via bt and seed :D
23:33 < sepp> uhmm i have t2-live-2.2.0-gamma-pmmx.iso but i dont know what i should do now :(
23:33 < sepp> i renamed it ...
23:33 < mnemoc_> ok
23:33 < mnemoc_> download .torrent
23:33 < sepp> done
23:34 < mnemoc_> and on your files dir you have to have: foo.torrent and foo/foo.iso
23:34 < sepp> ok
23:34 < sepp> now i move the iso to t2-live-2.2.0-gamma-pmmx ?
23:34 < sepp> the dir.
23:34 < mnemoc_> foo.torrent and foo/foo.iso :)
23:35 < sepp> yes
23:35 < mnemoc_> foo.torrent parallel to foo di
23:35 < mnemoc_> r
23:35 < mnemoc_> and open .torrent with bt client
23:36 < mnemoc_> it should detect your file, download .md5 and start seeding
23:38 < mnemoc_> sepp: worked?
23:38 < azureus> ok i download the torrent now ;-)
23:38 < rxr> mnemoc_: how was this - the client needs some tcp and udp ports, right ?
23:38 < mnemoc_> using a tracker, only tcp
23:38 < rxr> so I can not run it on some box behind a simple NAT ?
23:38 < azureus> ok I download the torrent now ;-)
23:39 < rxr> no - I mean the seeders
23:39 < mnemoc_> yes, a tcp range selected by you
23:39 < mnemoc_> you give the bounds to bt client
23:40 < mnemoc_> i did: exec /usr/bin/btlaunchmany.py \ --display_interval 30 \ --minport 6881 --maxport 6889 ${0%/*}/files/
23:40 < sepp> ahh seems it calulates a hash now
23:41 < sepp> the python thing does not work, i started azureus
23:42 < mnemoc_> what happened?
23:42 -!- azureus is now known as azureus_learn-c
23:42 < mnemoc_> i used t2.iso from rene's rsync, not ftp
23:42 < mnemoc_> may they be different?
23:43 < sepp> it should not matter if it uses sha
23:43 < sepp> i used gamma from the uni ftp
23:43 < azureus_learn-c> I'm now away
23:45 < mnemoc_> sepp: 6fe0cb592c3ccae37972b34859adcfaa t2-live-2.2.0-gamma-pmmx.iso
23:46 < sepp> md5 ?
23:46 < mnemoc_> yes
23:46 < sepp> yes same here
23:46 < mnemoc_> uhm
23:46 < sepp> ok i let my bt client running
23:47 < mnemoc_> :D
23:47 < mnemoc_> thanks!
23:47 < _Ragnar_> uhm
23:47 < _Ragnar_> [B 24] t2-live-2.2.0-gamma-pmmx 26.3 169.3mb 643.9mb 12% 0:0 1/2 9.6 0
23:47 < mnemoc_> you may want to help with the other .iso-s also :)
23:47 < _Ragnar_> only 12% available? did you change the torrent?
23:47 < mnemoc_> no...
23:48 < mnemoc_> http://t2.geeks.cl:6969/
23:48 < mnemoc_> compare the hashes
23:48 < sepp> i still wonder why the orig. python client does not work
23:50 < _Ragnar_> worked for me? O_O
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23:51 < mnemoc_> _Ragnar_: i think the seeder you are using has just 12%, but on the torrent you have two complete copies
23:52 < _Ragnar_> ok
23:53 < mnemoc_> i need more HD :(
23:53 * rxr too
23:53 < mnemoc_> you need a good one :)
23:55 < mnemoc_> rxr: how are your pipes?
23:57 < sepp> so i am uploading the live iso to 200.29.23.154 ?
23:57 < sepp> uhm torrent is strange
23:58 < mnemoc_> pff
23:59 < mnemoc_> t2.geeks.cl doesn't have t2-live complete yet, that ip belongs to it
23:59 < mnemoc_> www.geeks.cl was the first seeder
23:59 < rxr> mnemoc_: it are not my pipes - it are susans ..
23:59 < rxr> she has not yet quite got the feeling for them ...
23:59 < mnemoc_> :D
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