--- Log opened Sat Jun 18 00:00:00 2005 00:00 < mnemoc_> but a pipe is.... just a pipe, what science? 00:01 < rxr> don't ask me ... 00:01 < rxr> she never has done real IPC before .. 00:02 < rxr> maybe it is not that easy for not extreme geeks ... 00:02 < rxr> no idea 00:03 < mnemoc_> a pipe? :\ 00:04 < rxr> she has to do some nonsense ls | sort | sed | whatever hackery in C 00:04 < rxr> I have to admit all the forks, pipe, dup hackery can be quite confusing ... 00:04 < mnemoc_> semaphores can be confusing 00:05 < _Ragnar_> :) 00:07 < mnemoc_> Cksum ERROR: download/local/A/AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.bz2.cksum-err (3931208798) 00:07 < mnemoc_> does anyone have a copy of the old AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.bz2 ? 00:09 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc_: yes. i figured out the grep on my own after some poking about :) 00:09 < _Lewellyn> thanks though :) 00:09 * _Lewellyn wonders why ddate is the only emperor norton utility in util-linux 00:09 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc_: i have one. dunno if it's the same one... 00:10 < mnemoc_> _Lewellyn: ./scripts/Download -check acroread please 00:10 < _Lewellyn> but it's a .tar.gz i downloaded from adobe :( 00:11 < mnemoc_> ./scripts/Download -mk-cksum the_file_your_grabbed_from_adobe.tar.gz 00:12 < _Lewellyn> running now 00:12 < _Lewellyn> /tmp/AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.gz: 3931208798 00:12 < _Lewellyn> need me to put it somewhere that you can grab it from? 00:13 < _Lewellyn> or is that the same bad checksum? 00:13 < mnemoc_> the same i have 00:13 < mnemoc_> :( 00:13 < _Lewellyn> -rw------- 1 mjl staff 39467776 2005-05-10 11:47 AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.gz 00:13 < _Lewellyn> i've had it for a while... 00:15 < mnemoc_> not enough :( 00:27 < azureus_learn-c> ok I go now sleep 00:27 < mnemoc_> gn8 azureus_learn-c 00:28 < azureus_learn-c> thank you 00:28 -!- azureus_learn-c is now known as azureus_sleep 00:28 * rxr away for sleep as well 00:29 < mnemoc_> rxr: gn8 rxr 00:29 < _Lewellyn> sleep well, sleepers 00:29 < mnemoc_> :) 00:34 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc_: would you then be looking for the beta version of 7, released in like jan or feb? 00:34 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-206-176.prtc.net] has joined #t2 00:34 < _Lewellyn> if so, why? 00:34 < _Lewellyn> hoi sparc-kly 00:34 < mnemoc_> _Lewellyn: no idea 00:35 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc_: i'm still confused why you need an old version though, rather than the one they've been distributing since at LEAST a month ago... 00:35 < mnemoc_> _Lewellyn: i need the one checksumed when it was added to .desc 00:36 < mnemoc_> _Lewellyn: we need to have in the mirrors the versions with the checksums we have on .desc 00:36 < _Lewellyn> oh. 00:36 < _Lewellyn> and someone forgot? 00:36 < sepp> i read that they updated some days ago 00:40 < mnemoc_> sepp: what's the checksum of yours? ./scripts/Download -mk-cksum download/...../AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.bz2 00:41 < sepp> i have a "Mar 12 01:51 AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.gz" on my disk 00:41 < mnemoc_> checksum :) 00:41 < mnemoc_> i'm looking for: 1471180794 00:42 < sepp> 1471180794 00:42 < sepp> yes 00:42 < sepp> i have this one ;) 00:42 < mnemoc_> :D 00:42 < mnemoc_> i want it! 00:42 < mnemoc_> please :p 00:43 < sepp> what a hash is this? 00:43 < mnemoc_> cksum 00:43 < mnemoc_> bunzip2 < "$x" | cksum | cut -f1 -d' ' 00:44 < sepp> ohh 39mb 00:45 < mnemoc_> i'm downloading the copy at nexus 00:45 < mnemoc_> 28,5% 00:45 < mnemoc_> if that has my wished checksum i'll not bother you 00:46 < sepp> ok :) 00:46 < sepp> but why do you want a beta acrobat reader? 00:47 < sepp> this was not 7.0 final 00:47 < mnemoc_> to push it on the mirror 00:47 < mnemoc_> beta3 and beta4 of t2 has that checksum on .desc 00:48 < mnemoc_> i'll fake a _final for rc1 and trunk 00:48 < sepp> hmm i am no lawyer but are you allowed to redistribute it? 00:48 < mnemoc_> .oO 00:48 < mnemoc_> no :p 00:48 < mnemoc_> uhm... yes! 00:49 < mnemoc_> no 00:49 < mnemoc_> [D] 1471180794 AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.gz -http://ardownload.adobe.com/pub/adobe/reader/unix/7x/7.0/enu/ 00:49 < mnemoc_> it is '-' 00:49 < mnemoc_> i.e. local 00:49 < sepp> not that some one will sue you ... 00:49 < mnemoc_> how i'm i downloading it from nexus then?? 00:49 < mnemoc_> .oO 00:50 < sepp> what is nexus? 00:50 < mnemoc_> one of rene's mirrors 00:51 < sepp> ohh i guess it should not be there 00:51 < mnemoc_> we have download/mirror and downlaod/local 00:51 < mnemoc_> mirror tree is exported to mirrors 00:52 < sepp> yes i saw this 00:52 < mnemoc_> wierd 00:52 < mnemoc_> maybe rene has them symlinked :p 00:55 < sparc-kly> http://www.forbes.com/intelligentinfrastructure/2005/06/16/linux-bsd-unix-cz_dl_0616theo.html 00:56 < mnemoc_> pff 00:56 < sepp> macos one of the best os thing? 00:57 < mnemoc_> economists :) 00:57 < sepp> not that linux is perfect but osx??? 00:58 < mnemoc_> :) 00:59 < mnemoc_> closed source tend to have worse quality, that's not related to the time used to write it, that's due to work unseen 01:00 < mnemoc_> when people see what you do, you do it more elegantly :p 01:06 < mnemoc_> rxr showed a nice critic to osX versions 01:06 < sepp> hmm i got the openslowlaris code - only 1 fuck inside 01:06 < mnemoc_> always the same when companies open their codes 01:07 < mnemoc_> just dirty hacks everywhere 01:17 < sepp> i'll crawl into my bed now 01:17 < sepp> good nght all 01:17 < mnemoc_> gn8 sepp 02:15 < mnemoc_> nexus has the new one :( 02:15 < mnemoc_> Cksum ERROR: download/local/A/AdbeRdr70_linux_enu.tar.gz.cksum-err (3931208798) 02:17 < _Lewellyn> eh. most of the os is oss. 02:17 < _Lewellyn> sleep well sepp 02:18 < _Lewellyn> and mnemoc_: you need to hurt whoever forgot to mirror the file. and adobe for not changing the name. 02:19 < mnemoc_> i'll fake a file name change on rc1 and trunk 02:23 < _Lewellyn> :( 02:41 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFE23B.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:17 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-206-176.prtc.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 03:39 -!- azureus_sleep [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbccb1.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:01 -!- _Lewelly1 [lewellyn@cpc127-4-21-1.cable.va.toca.me.uk] has joined #t2 04:01 -!- _Lewelly1 [lewellyn@cpc127-4-21-1.cable.va.toca.me.uk] has quit [Client Quit] 04:03 -!- lewellyn [lewellyn@lewellyn.silver.supporter.pdpc] has joined #t2 04:51 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-206-176.prtc.net] has joined #t2 05:09 < mnemoc_> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/regressions.html ... 30 broken packages... 05:16 < lewellyn> is that more, or less? 05:16 < mnemoc_> 13 more than rc1 05:16 < mnemoc_> at least 13 to fix :) 05:17 < mnemoc_> weird problems with pkgconfig 05:17 < lewellyn> :/ 05:31 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-206-176.prtc.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 05:38 < CIA-1> amery * r9733 /tags/2.1.0-rc1/package/office/acroread/acroread.desc: * changed acroread filename because published files was renewed 05:57 < CIA-1> amery * r9734 /trunk/package/gnome2/netspeed_applet/netspeed_applet.conf: * fixed (ugly!) netspeed_applet to find pkg-config 06:08 < CIA-1> amery * r9735 /branches/2.1/package/office/acroread/acroread.desc: * merged 9733 from 2.1.0-rc1: changed acroread filename because published files was renewed 06:11 < CIA-1> amery * r9736 /trunk/package/office/acroread/acroread.desc: * merged 9733 from 2.1.0-rc1: changed acroread filename because published files was renewed 06:33 < CIA-1> amery * r9737 /branches/nestedtargets/Build-Pkg: * fixed debug.sh to mount/umount loop and proc (needs review) 06:33 < mnemoc_> yuck 06:33 < mnemoc_> i forgot i that that branches binded there :( 06:34 < mnemoc_> branch 06:36 < CIA-1> amery * r9738 /trunk/scripts/Build-Pkg: * merged 9737 from nestedtarget branch: fixed debug.sh to mount/umount loop and proc (needs review) 06:46 < mnemoc_> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/log/5-gsmp.err <--- parallelism problem 07:51 < CIA-1> amery * r9739 /trunk/package/graphic/poppler/poppler.desc: * fixed poppler.desc [A] and changed to download 3.2 as [V] claims 07:57 < rxr> re 07:57 < mnemoc_> hi rxr 07:59 < rxr> mnemoc_: Intel Premier Issue Tracker: 07:59 < rxr> ICC consumes over 600MB memory and get's killed by the system processing tramp3d benchmark 07:59 < rxr> Hello Rene, 07:59 < rxr> After some investigation, there is a possibility we might find a more efficient memory algorithm for a particular aspect of you program that our compiler is analyzing. I have narrowed down the problem and escalated the issue to the development team. 07:59 < rxr> Thank You for your feedback - we rarely get users complaining about the memory usage. So it is hard to identify areas of the compiler that we can work on for that issue. 07:59 < rxr> Regards, 07:59 < rxr> ,-) 08:00 < mnemoc_> :D 08:00 < mnemoc_> rene.rebe@intel.de 08:03 < rxr> nah ... 08:03 < rxr> intel.com anyway - and no mail address ... 08:03 < mnemoc_> the reply was very friendly 08:04 < rxr> seems my 21" CRT is selfdestructing - sine yesterday it looses a color component every now and then ... 08:04 < rxr> mnemoc_: it is the pay, big compaies premier support ,-) 08:04 < mnemoc_> a fuse? 08:04 < mnemoc_> :) 08:04 < rxr> no - fuse would be permanent 08:04 < rxr> more likely some aging transistor or so ... 08:05 < rxr> or some contact getting loose .. 08:05 < rxr> but the CRT is very bad anyway 08:05 < rxr> low frequency ... 08:05 < rxr> 1280x1024@60Hz or so ... 08:05 < rxr> I run it at some selftweaked modline to archive 7x Hz - @ 1152x970 pixels or so .. 08:05 < rxr> the max I got out of it @70Hz or so ... 08:06 < rxr> it is made in 1995 or so ... 08:06 < mnemoc_> i do the same on my 17" home desktop 08:08 < rxr> guess it wants to get finally disposed and also finally a fresh LCD on my desk - would be better for my poor eyes anyway ... 08:08 < _Ragnar_> rxr: still nothing about this kernel build issue? 08:08 < mnemoc_> i'll go to bed 08:09 < mnemoc_> gn8 rxr, _Ragnar_ 08:09 < _Ragnar_> gn8 mnemoc_ 08:10 < rxr> _Ragnar_: ouhm - sorry need to get the article out 08:15 < rxr> GCC 4.0.1 RC2 08:24 < _Ragnar_> hmpf 08:24 < _Ragnar_> can you at least point me where to look? 08:24 < _Ragnar_> I don't see a single depmod in the error log 08:28 < rxr> you could look into the fl_wrapper.wlog to search for a depmod 08:29 < _Ragnar_> bash(Build-Pkg)**.make.depmod.fopen: /lib/modules/2.4.21-rc1-rock/modules.dep 08:31 < _Ragnar_> this looks like it's done by make install 08:35 < rxr> now you only need to find wich one ... :-( 09:01 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 09:02 < minto> hi all 09:14 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 09:15 < azureus> Good mornin 09:21 < minto> hi azareus 09:21 < valentin> moin 09:21 < minto> hi valentin 09:22 < valentin> hi minto 09:22 < valentin> how is life in the netherlands ? 09:23 < minto> If I forget about my broken server, fine. 09:23 < minto> How about germany? 09:32 < valentin> nice, thank you 09:34 < azureus> who is from germany? 09:35 * _Ragnar_ is 09:35 < azureus> aha who else? 09:35 * minto is not 09:36 < azureus> minto : where are you from? 09:36 * minto is from the Netherlands 09:43 < azureus> and the other people from this chanel? 09:48 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 09:49 < azureus> hello veki 09:49 < veki> hello 09:50 < veki> good morning 09:52 < _Ragnar_> rxr: well the next thing after that is: bash(Build-Pkg)**.bash(cp).cp.open64: /export/t2-trunk/build/soekris-2.2.0-alpha-x86-embedded//usr/doc/linux26/AUTHORS 09:52 < _Ragnar_> so it kinda seems that it comes from t2 itself? O_O 10:08 < minto> There is a new version of syslinux out 3.09. Unfortunately my server is broken so I can't upgrade it myself. 10:09 < valentin> _Ragnar_: sorry, i did not get that - what is your problem with cp ? 10:12 < _Ragnar_> something in linux26 calls depmod, which then makes the build complain about it touching files outside basedir 10:12 < valentin> ah 10:17 -!- azureus1 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 10:20 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 10:21 < sepp> good morning 10:22 < veki> good morning 10:28 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:51 < _Ragnar_> well I'm too tired for this ... nini folks 11:16 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has left #t2 [] 11:38 < rxr> re 12:28 < rxr> http://www.openmp.org/ 12:28 < rxr> ^- does also use drupal 13:01 < valentin> re 13:06 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 13:09 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has left #t2 [] 13:30 -!- veki [~veki@bunuel-cpe-49.pat-pool.bgd.sbb.co.yu] has joined #t2 13:31 < veki> doe aanyone have minimal version of T2 on some ftp site? 13:39 < azureus1> re 13:56 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 14:04 -!- azureus1 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 15:13 < azureus> whats the login name and password for the live-cd 15:14 < veki> I do not know, I am just downloading version that is not live 15:14 < azureus> hm.... 15:14 < sepp> azureus: user live can sudo bash 15:15 < azureus> and the pass? 15:16 < sepp> empty 15:16 < azureus> ok mom 15:17 < azureus> ok, you have to write it in the text on the cd 15:25 < azureus> How I can start KDE 15:26 < valentin> azureus: the livecd should start into KDE without manual login or whatsoever 15:27 < valentin> you downloaded the live cd or the normal installable desktop cd set ? 15:28 < azureus> the lice cd 15:28 < valentin> and it does not boot into X ? 15:28 < azureus> I think now 15:28 < azureus> no 15:29 < valentin> what is the url you downloaded the cd from ? 15:30 < azureus> At first i can choose "T2 Live Linux" "t2 live Linux - no X" or "Installed OS from HD" 15:30 < azureus> I have "t2-live-2.2.0-gamma-pmmx". I have download it as a torrent yesterday 15:31 < valentin> ok 15:31 < valentin> what option did you boot ? 15:31 < azureus> T2 Live Linux 15:31 -!- veki [~veki@bunuel-cpe-49.pat-pool.bgd.sbb.co.yu] has left #t2 ["Leaving"] 15:32 < azureus> an the next time "t2 live Linux - no X" but both doesnt work 15:32 < valentin> what does "doesnt work" mean ? 15:33 < azureus> You said that it have to start without login pr whatever 15:34 < azureus> ok once again, I have klicked now on T2 live Linux 15:34 < azureus> now he is load something.... 15:34 < azureus> Then there is written " localhost login" 15:35 < valentin> wait a second 15:35 < azureus> what I have to do now? 15:35 < azureus> ok 15:35 < valentin> nothing, x should start with kde right now 15:35 < valentin> does it ? 15:35 < azureus> no 15:35 < azureus> There is only written " localhost login" 15:36 < azureus> I can try it on an other PC 15:36 < valentin> can you read scrollback if there is an error message or so ? 15:36 < valentin> or try on another PC, first 15:38 < azureus> there was only a ":-(" when he loads the networks driver 15:41 < azureus> Its crazy... an the other computer he doesnt load grub corectly 15:42 < azureus> there is only written grub> 15:46 < azureus> But in the third computer he starts normaly 15:46 < valentin> azureus: is your "other computer" a pentium mmx compatible ? 15:47 < azureus> the first computer was a notebook: AMD 64bit Turino 1,6ghz... 15:50 < valentin> yes, and the second one ? 15:53 < azureus> on the second computer were "grub>" was written is an AMD Athlon XP CPU 15:56 < azureus> I dont now these computers very well, this are testsampels for my Magazin 15:57 < azureus> but normaly it must work or? 16:43 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 16:53 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 16:53 < minto> hi * 16:56 < azureus> hi minto 16:57 < veki> hi 16:57 < veki> Can anyone help me to install T2 on my machine? 16:58 < azureus> Whats the problem? 16:58 < veki> I downloaded .iso file and burn on blank CDROM and it does not boot although boot order in BIOS set up is OK 16:59 < minto> veki: which one did you download? 17:00 < azureus> hmm, what did you download 17:00 < veki> It is stable deskto T2 2.1 pentium mmx.iso .. 17:00 < azureus> and your system is? 17:00 < veki> My Sistem si Pentium 450 MHz , 196 MB RAM, SiemenS Fujitsu desktop machine 17:01 < azureus> maybe you burn the cd wrong 17:02 < veki> it is 2.1.o beta version, 629MB from gsmp berlin.de server 17:02 < azureus> How do you burn the cd? 17:02 < veki> OK, I will try again, beacuse I have done that twice on two CDROMs and the same happens always 17:03 < veki> I will change machine and CD writer and let you know soon 17:03 < veki> do you prefer any application for burning CDROMs 17:04 < veki> K3B is OK? 17:04 < azureus> Can you try it on an other computer? 17:06 < minto> Veki: I guess you donwloaded beta3? Does it boot on an other system? 17:06 < veki> I tried on two machines and it does not boot on anyone 17:07 < veki> yes, it is beta3 17:08 < minto> Strange! I downloaded it earlier this weeks and it did boot. 17:08 < veki> Just to check again. What exactly you have done 17:09 < veki> i suppose you downloaded it and how you burned CD? 17:09 < minto> (blushing) I used nero on windows to burn the iso. 17:10 < veki> I used nero and Cd Creator on two cds and id did not boot on two machines 17:10 < veki> I will do that again in Linux by using K3B 17:10 < minto> :-( 17:11 < veki> even, speed was 16X in order to be not too much fast 17:12 < minto> Have you tried Live CD gamma or T2 minimal? 17:12 < minto> live cd => http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/t2/stable/2.2.0-beta/ 17:12 < minto> minimal => http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/incoming/ 17:19 -!- rxr_ [rene@e178154222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 17:19 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 TAGGED - official .iso creation in progress | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 17:19 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005] 17:19 [Users #t2] 17:19 [ _Lewellyn] [ CIA-1 ] [ minto ] [ nzg ] [ sepp ] [ veki] 17:19 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc_] [ rxr ] [ SerWou ] 17:19 [ azureus ] [ lewellyn] [ mtr_ ] [ rxr_] [ valentin] 17:19 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 17:19 -!- [freenode-info] why register and identify? your IRC nick is how people know you. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 17:19 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 17:19 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs 17:21 < veki> on one cd rom I put that it should be bootable and I got caldera DrDos running and failing after 3 secs 17:21 < veki> on another it is .iso only and it just starts default OS on my computer 17:24 < minto> rxr rxr_: What was the url for T2 minimal again? Veki wants to know? 17:24 < veki> I used this one: http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/ftp/incoming/ 17:25 < minto> Ahh, found it: 17:25 < minto> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/space/ 17:26 < veki> Ok, I started to download 17:29 < azureus> minto: are you a developer 17:30 < veki> no, I am trying to be good user :-)) 17:30 < veki> May I ask yo for help in installation process if needed? 17:30 -!- rxr [rene@e178148190.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 17:30 < azureus> I've asked minto, not you ;-) 17:31 < veki> when i say user I think on target building 17:31 < veki> OK 17:31 < veki> sorry 17:31 < azureus> np you can ask here in this IRC Chanel 17:31 < veki> OK, I hope it will be in a couple of minutes :-)) 17:33 < minto> azureus: Yes I am developer. But still pretty novice to T2. 17:33 < mnemoc_> moin 17:33 < minto> Hi mnemoc_ :-) 17:33 < mnemoc_> hi minto 17:34 < azureus> hi mnemoc 17:34 < mnemoc_> hi azureus 17:35 < minto> azureus: How about you? You're a developer too? 17:36 < mnemoc_> :) 17:37 < azureus> no, I work here for the Press and for the website. But I learn now c++ ;-) 17:37 < minto> Where is here? 17:37 < azureus> I've got a problem with the live-cd . Here = T2 17:38 < minto> Ahh 17:40 < azureus> do you have ICQ, I cant sent it here because the text ist too long 17:41 < mnemoc_> .oO 17:41 < mnemoc_> do you want to paste something? use a paste service 17:41 < azureus> the Text is too long 17:42 < minto> Sorry I have no ICQ. The one knowing most about live CD is rxr. However I could give it a try. 17:42 < mnemoc_> http://pastebin.ca 17:43 < minto> mnemoc_: You beat me. A paste service? I know pasta delivery service = pizza delivery service :-) 17:44 < mnemoc_> :) 17:44 < azureus> I try to copy the Text to you 17:45 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:46 -!- azureus1 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 17:46 < azureus1> minto: Did you get the text? 17:47 < minto> azureus1: Nope, But you got disconnected with an excess flood. 17:48 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:49 < azureus1> ok I sent it to you once again 17:49 -!- azureus1 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Excess Flood] 17:49 < minto> azureus1: Try: http://pastebin.ca 17:50 -!- azureus1 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 17:50 < azureus1> Did youget ir now? 17:50 < minto> Azureus1: Nope again excess flood. Try http://pastebin.ca as mnemoc suggested. 17:51 < azureus1> can I sent it to your E-Mail? 17:51 < minto> It works pretty straigt forward. You can paste the resulting url here. 17:51 < mnemoc_> azureus1: why can't you use the paste service?? 17:51 < azureus1> http://pastebin.ca/14957 17:52 < mnemoc_> good 17:52 < azureus1> I hope you can read it now 17:52 < minto> Yepp, If valentin couldn't help I not sure I can. 17:53 < minto> reading now 17:53 < mnemoc_> if it didn't started X, your video card wasn't detected 17:53 < azureus1> You can try it 17:53 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 17:53 < azureus1> one moment I look which video card the sample had 17:54 < mnemoc_> lspci can be helpful 17:54 < azureus1> whar ist Ispci? 17:54 < mnemoc_> a command, which gives useful output 17:54 < mnemoc_> lspci, not Ispci 17:55 < veki> I burnt minimal version on CDROM and it does not boot 17:55 < azureus1> Ok the notebook had an S3 shared memory video-card 17:56 < sepp> haha unichrome i guess 17:57 < sepp> something like vt8378? 17:57 < minto> Veki: Today is not your day it seems. 17:57 < veki> how can I install minimal version on existing distro 17:57 < veki> yes, it seems to me also 17:57 < azureus1> It is an notebook from the company ChiliGREEN 17:57 < veki> I tried on two machines and happens the same 17:58 < azureus1> only problems here..... 17:58 < minto> Veki: These computers do boot other disks/distros? 17:58 < veki> yes, of course 17:58 < mnemoc_> veki: try o a non rw disc 17:58 < veki> I tried twice today 17:58 < mnemoc_> and check md5 before 17:58 < azureus1> What I can do now? 17:59 < sepp> azureus1: can you lspci and paste the chip name here? 17:59 < veki> I do not think that integrity of file is problem because I have had three downloads and I do not think that all three times there were wrong downloads 17:59 < azureus1> ok one moment 18:00 < azureus1> have I to login with live? 18:00 < sepp> yes 18:01 < mnemoc_> veki: check anyway 18:02 < veki> I will check do burning program changes permissions and forbid execution rights 18:02 < azureus1> - bash: command not found 18:03 < mnemoc_> azureus1: ? 18:03 < azureus1> "lspci" command not found 18:03 < mnemoc_> azureus1: lspci, ls as to see the content of a directory, and pci as the cards 18:04 < mnemoc_> uhm 18:04 < mnemoc_> rxr_: don't you have lspci on t2@live-gamma? 18:04 < azureus1> so what i have to write in? 18:05 < sepp> /usr/sbin/lspci 18:05 < azureus1> There is written: "Video card: Via... VGA Adapter" 18:05 < mnemoc_> sepp: will you download the other .iso-s? 18:06 < mnemoc_> azureus1: we need the exact text :) 18:06 < sepp> mnemoc_: yes 18:06 < mnemoc_> sepp: http://t2.geeks.cl:6969/ 18:06 < mnemoc_> where is morpoh? 18:08 < azureus1> I wrote now /usr/sbin/lspci . Now there ist written "VGA compatiblecontroller : VIA Technologies, INC. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01) 18:08 < sepp> and the chip number? 18:08 < sepp> VT**** 18:09 < sepp> anyway because of the broken unichrome driver in xorg you have to use vesa now :( 18:10 < azureus1> mnemoc: I dont now where he is, he wanted to talk with me yesterday, then i had to wait and then he wasnt here in this channel 18:10 < azureus1> where musst me written VT*** 18:10 < sepp> last line of lspci output 18:11 < sepp> if xorg starts the panel became black? 18:11 < azureus1> it isnt there written 18:12 < azureus1> only by enthernet audio controll 18:13 < azureus1> and ISA Bridge 18:14 < azureus1> but I think it isnt this? 18:15 < sepp> you can force it to use the vesa driver 18:15 < azureus1> what I have to do now 18:16 < azureus1> how I can force? 18:17 < sepp> in /tmp/xdetect replace xdrv=via with xrdv=vesa 18:17 < azureus1> what I have to write? 18:18 < azureus1> k 18:18 < sepp> ? 18:20 < azureus1> ok I wrote this 18:20 < azureus1> what I have to do now? 18:21 < sepp> sudo /tmp/xdetect 18:21 < sepp> /tmp/startx 18:22 < azureus1> hey, he starts X 18:24 < azureus1> must I do this everytime? 18:25 < sepp> for this version of the livecd (with via hardware) yes 18:25 < mnemoc_> veki: did you check md5 of minimal iso? 18:26 < azureus1> How can we solve this problem? 18:26 < veki> It is OK, I think that K3B or something like that makes problem since I tested on three machines and it is always the same 18:26 < veki> It does not boot in any case i.e. desktop and minimal too 18:27 < veki> mnemoc: May I install it from existing Linux system? 18:27 < sepp> azureus1: it is already solved in svn head, just not on this version of the livecd 18:27 < mnemoc_> i need a new ethernet cord 18:29 < azureus1> ok 18:30 < mnemoc_> azureus1: via driver on xorg sucks, so sepp changed xorg package to install a better one 18:30 < mnemoc_> veki: you can, but the disk shall boot 18:31 < azureus1> I'm making a support board, do anyone has a conception like the structure could be 18:31 < veki> mnemoc: but, it does not. I am willing to try to install it from existing distro. How can I do it? 18:32 < mnemoc_> veki: make the partitions, format them and mount the structure on a mountpoint 18:33 < mnemoc_> veki: then using 'mine' tool (you have to build that locally) install *.gem into that mount point 18:33 < mnemoc_> veki: does livecd boot there? you can install from there 18:33 < veki> OK, I will try once more from CD 18:33 < veki> I will download it too 18:34 < veki> I checked permission sof .iso file and it is executable 18:34 < mnemoc_> veki: can you try the version at bt? 18:34 < mnemoc_> veki: i'm not sure if the files are gsmp are ok 18:34 < veki> hm 18:36 < veki> I installed last night BiTTorrent rpm and it does not work. It alwasy sasy that it does have problme in line 7 etc. 18:36 < mnemoc_> do you have rsync? 18:37 < sepp> mnemoc_: added t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx to my share :) 18:37 -!- mtr [~Michael@p54AFA579.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 18:37 < mnemoc_> sepp: thanks :) 18:37 < mnemoc_> sepp: can you see if it boots there? 18:37 < sepp> yes tested it with qemu 18:38 < veki> I will try again 18:38 < mnemoc_> veki: if you have rsync try: rsync://t2.geeks.cl/t2-iso/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx your_copy_of_minimal.iso 18:39 < mnemoc_> veki: that will ensure your iso gets identical to mine 18:40 < mnemoc_> rsync://t2.geeks.cl/t2-iso/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx.iso your_copy_of_minimal.iso i mean 18:41 < veki> OK, I will do that I will burn again 18:42 < mnemoc_> veki: azureus seems to be a very good bt client, sadly written over java 18:43 < sepp> it eats a lot cpu cycles 18:44 < sepp> and the jvm crashed here today, running azureus 18:44 < mnemoc_> :'( 18:45 < mnemoc_> i'm using just btlaunchmany.py :p 18:47 < veki> when i do rsync it says that here i sno such file or directory 18:48 < mnemoc_> rsync rsync://t2.geeks.cl/t2-iso/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx.iso your_copy_of_minimal.iso 18:48 < mnemoc_> err 18:48 < mnemoc_> rsync -avP rsync://t2.geeks.cl/t2-iso/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx.iso your_copy_of_minimal.iso 18:48 -!- mtr_ [~Michael@p54AFC149.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:48 < mnemoc_> and of course change your_copy_of_minimal.iso to the path and filename of you copy of the file 18:49 < mnemoc_> rxr_: wine fail to build after alsa update here 18:50 < veki> it says partial transfer code 23 at main.c(594) 18:50 < mnemoc_> is that an error? 18:52 -!- Postal [~Postal@ool-435627d0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2 18:52 < veki> yes, it is 18:53 < Postal> Afternoon all 18:53 < mnemoc_> try just -av --progress then :\ 18:53 < mnemoc_> your rsync seems to be broken 18:54 < veki> i am apt-get rsync again 18:55 < mnemoc_> pff 18:55 < mnemoc_> my fault 18:55 < mnemoc_> that weird error is a 'file not found' :) 18:55 < mnemoc_> rsync://t2.geeks.cl/t2-iso/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx/t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx_cd1.iso <--- i forgot _cd1 part 18:55 < veki> :-) 18:56 < mnemoc_> lame way to say 'file not found' 18:56 < veki> it seems to me that it starts 18:57 < veki> yes, it starts :-) 18:57 < mnemoc_> :D 18:58 < veki> however, I burned again deskto, and I will try to boot it 18:58 -!- Postal [~Postal@ool-435627d0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 18:59 < veki> again nothing with deskto version :-((( 18:59 < mnemoc_> i wonder if the files you download are good 18:59 < veki> Is it probkem that I burn it on RW disk. It should not be I supppose 19:00 < mnemoc_> some cd drives don't boot rw discs, but it they boot one, they boot all 19:00 < veki> OK, we will see result with your minimal 19:00 < veki> the minmal I downloaded today afternoon is from ..space.de site 19:01 < mnemoc_> try it after rsync-ing it with mine 19:01 < veki> of course 19:01 < veki> It will finish soon since I have fats link 19:02 < mnemoc_> you, but not i :} 19:02 < mnemoc_> :\ 19:02 < veki> I think tha tthe problem is whether in integrity of transferred files or in burning process 19:05 < veki> I trued boot on 4 machines in last 2 hours 19:06 < mnemoc_> did rsync finished? 19:07 < veki> excuse mn the kitchen, I will chekc nowe I was i 19:07 < veki> not yet 19:08 < veki> Is it OK whichever name I give to .iso for example minimal-t2.iso 19:08 < mnemoc_> uhm? 19:09 < mnemoc_> you shall overwrite the .iso you already have 19:09 < mnemoc_> not download the whole file through that rsync 19:09 < veki> oh, yes that i sfine 19:09 < veki> yes 19:09 < mnemoc_> i have only 64kbps international on that link 19:10 < veki> I really do have strng wish to install it today and start to build a simple target 19:10 < veki> OK, no problme, we will be patient 19:11 < mnemoc_> :) 19:11 < veki> :-) 19:13 < veki> It i sfinished I think 19:13 < veki> I do have a numerous yyyyyyy on my screen 19:13 < veki> from rsync console 19:14 < veki> I closed it anyway, I will burn now new CD 19:16 -!- Postal [~Postal@ool-435627d0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2 19:16 < Postal> Anyone here know what kinds of drivers Roxio Easy Media Creator would be installing on my computer that would make it truley unable to run in 64bit? 19:17 < Postal> I bloody hate windows, what is a really good editing program for linux? 19:17 < sepp> editing what? 19:18 < Postal> Pictures i just got a new Canon Eos 20D 19:18 < veki> mnemoc: which permissions should have that .iso 19:18 < sepp> Postal: gimp ? 19:19 < veki> you can use gphoto, gimp 19:21 < veki> mnemoc, again no boot 19:21 < veki> permissions or burining process 19:22 < Postal> sepp, im looking for something easy red eye reduction cropping that kind of thing gimp might be a little complicated 19:23 -!- Postal [~Postal@ool-435627d0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:31 < veki> I changed permission to be executable for .iso file since it was not executable and I am burnning it again 19:33 < veki> gaain th esame. I will be offline for two minutes since I will try it on this machine 19:34 < minto> veki: good luck 19:34 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:38 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 19:38 -!- azureus1 is now known as azureus_coding 19:39 < veki> mnemoc: again the same , I will get new CDROM media and burn again 19:39 < veki> I will be back in acouple of minutes, shop is near by 19:43 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@65-23-206-176.prtc.net] has joined #t2 19:44 < minto> azureur_coding: What are you coding? 19:47 < azureus_coding> a CMS 19:47 < azureus_coding> Can you php? 19:48 < minto> Not really. 19:48 < azureus_coding> a little bit? 19:48 < minto> Unfortunately not. 19:49 < azureus_coding> Do you know a good WYSIWYG Editor? 19:49 < mnemoc_> php sucks 19:50 < minto> mnemoc_: I hear sucks and crap quite often on this channel. What, in your opinion does not suck? 19:50 < minto> ruby? 19:50 < mnemoc_> i have never used ruby 19:51 < mnemoc_> but an scripting language which has every module always loaded is a bloat 19:51 < minto> me neither. But what do you like? 19:51 < mnemoc_> good question... 19:52 < mnemoc_> ... 19:52 < mnemoc_> uhm 19:53 < mnemoc_> ignoring the tab problem, i'm liking python 19:53 < mnemoc_> i like perl, but i'm not good on it 19:59 -!- rxr [rene@e178154222.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 19:59 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 TAGGED - official .iso creation in progress | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 19:59 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Thu Jun 9 04:36:32 2005] 19:59 [Users #t2] 19:59 [ _Lewellyn ] [ CIA-1 ] [ minto ] [ nzg ] [ SerWou ] [ veki] 19:59 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc_] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly] 19:59 [ azureus_coding] [ lewellyn] [ mtr ] [ sepp] [ valentin ] 19:59 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 16 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 16 normal] 19:59 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 19:59 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 7 secs 20:00 < minto> Sure they are, but if there is really need for them, then you are probably using the wrong language. 20:02 < mnemoc_> that another point pro .net/mono, multiple languages over the same bytecode 20:02 < minto> Java has that as well 20:02 < minto> But they do not promote is as heavily as MS does. 20:02 < mnemoc_> what languages can be compiled to run over jvm? 20:03 < minto> Many languages diliver bytecode to run in a jvm. 20:03 < mnemoc_> there is even prolog compilers to run over .net/mono thing 20:04 < mnemoc_> or haskell 20:04 < mnemoc_> someone claim python for .net is faster than pure python 20:05 < minto> I don't want this to be become a pro/con thing. Every environment has is good and bad sides. A list of all languages supporting the java JVM is at http://www.robert-tolksdorf.de/vmlanguages.html 20:06 < mnemoc_> *click* 20:07 < mnemoc_> java is nice also, i just hate sun cynicism 20:07 < veki> mnemoc: I succeded. I am starting to boot 20:07 < mnemoc_> veki: how? 20:07 < veki> I used cdrecord instead of K3B and it goes 20:08 < minto> The thing I like most about java is that if you stick to published interfaces you have no vendor lockin. This is mainly in the J2EE arena. 20:08 < mnemoc_> veki: oh 20:08 < veki> I perssed enter after boot and it asks me now whihc of 8 stages I do want todo. 20:09 * _Ragnar_ yawns 20:09 < minto> Veki: Bravo 20:09 < veki> I think it asks me where is installation, since it is on CDROMI should put default? 20:09 < veki> Thanks to all!!! 20:09 < mnemoc_> minto: but they manage to require the not published interfaces sun.* :\ 20:10 < mnemoc_> veki: the first option is to use the media you used to boot 20:10 < veki> I follow nnow the steps. I will ask if I will have some problems 20:10 < mnemoc_> good luck 20:10 < veki> I entered second stage and it asks me for serial ports 20:11 < minto> mnemoc: sun.* are not required. But if you use them you lock yourself in. Most vendors do likewise things. 20:11 < mnemoc_> tty-s 20:11 < veki> OK, I entered stone for type of installation 20:11 < mnemoc_> minto: that is sad... #kaffe people does a big effort 20:12 < mnemoc_> anyone xslt here? 20:12 < minto> mnemoc_: Yes that's how they think to earn money. 20:13 < mnemoc_> many people of oss dreaming to earn good money some day 20:14 < minto> I think almost every one thinks that, not only oss people. 20:15 < mnemoc_> people outside oss tend to succed :p 20:15 < minto> Not all of them. 20:16 < mnemoc_> expending the time oss people does? 20:16 < veki> mnemoc: I came to stage when it askem to type stone or stone-text. I typed stone but it stays hanging. Should I have been typed "stone" with quotation marks. 20:17 < veki> Or it does have reason why is that part slow? 20:17 < mnemoc_> that should not be slow 20:17 < mnemoc_> stone -text works? 20:17 < veki> it stays hanging 20:17 < mnemoc_> uhm 20:18 < veki> I rebooted machine and I will try again since i firstly typed stone without quotation marks maybe that was confusing 20:18 < sepp> minimal iso? 20:18 < minto> mnemoc_: I think rene will succeed. 20:18 < veki> yes 20:18 < sepp> hmm worked in qemu 20:19 < mnemoc_> veki: quotation marks are not needed 20:19 < mnemoc_> minto: yes 20:19 < veki> hm 20:19 < veki> I will chekc again... 20:20 < veki> maybe there is somethiing wronileg in the name of .iso f 20:20 < veki> excuse me my keyboard jumps 20:20 < veki> maybe there is something wrong in thename of .iso file and it cannot find it 20:20 < veki> but, we started :-)) 20:21 < mnemoc_> cannot find what? who? 20:21 < veki> I suppose that istallation is looking for something what it cannot find and it hangs after typing stone 20:22 < mnemoc_> .oO 20:22 < veki> maybe 20:24 -!- azureus_coding [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20:27 -!- azureus_coding [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 20:27 < veki> actually, that is the stage when it looj for some tar.gz files... 20:27 < azureus_coding> re 20:31 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 20:31 < azureus> re 20:31 < veki> mnemoc: I typed stone -text and I am waiting it to continue 20:33 < mnemoc_> uhm 20:33 < veki> it hangs 20:33 < azureus> Is someone responsible for the website? 20:35 < mnemoc_> azureus: rene 20:35 < veki> it hangs still 20:36 < azureus> rene = morfohr? 20:36 < mnemoc_> do the same but don't start stone this time 20:36 < minto> rxr = rene 20:37 < veki> mnemoc: but, what should I start? there is option to choose stone or stone-text 20:37 < valentin> rehi 20:37 < minto> hi valentin 20:37 < valentin> what is the problem with the website ? 20:37 < azureus> hello valentin 20:38 < valentin> hello azureus 20:38 < mnemoc_> veki: run ldconfig -v 20:38 < azureus> There is no problem, i takled with rxr because I want to help to make a new website. He told me I Have to speak with morfohr, but he isnt here 20:39 < veki> ok, so instaed of stone shold I type ldconfig -v 20:39 < mnemoc_> azureus: morfoh (jeru) is working on www2.t2-project.org 20:40 -!- azureus_coding [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9c4.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 20:41 < azureus> I know, but I want to code with him the website, then it wouldn't cost so much time 20:41 < azureus> And I have made also a Board for the website 20:42 < mnemoc_> azureus: with plone you don't have to code, you have to install and set properly the different 'products' (modules) 20:43 < azureus> I know also this, but polne has not all modules. These moduls must be coded 20:44 < azureus> plone is a CMS ( Content managment system) 20:45 < azureus> I'm coding now an own CMS like plone, this could be also used for the site 20:45 < mnemoc_> plone modules are written on zope 20:45 < mnemoc_> azureus: on what? 20:47 < azureus> one www.t2-project.org 20:50 < azureus> mnemoc : or what you mean? 20:51 < mnemoc_> azureus: language 20:52 < azureus> PHP ; SQL 20:53 < azureus> nearly all CMS are written in php 20:55 < mnemoc_> but none can compare to CMS-s written in zope 20:58 < azureus> I will ask morfohr what will be to do... 20:58 < mnemoc_> ok 21:00 < azureus> When said morfohr the new site will be finished 21:02 < mnemoc_> a month ago 21:04 < azureus> and it is not finished yet? 21:04 < mnemoc_> he seems to have been unable to do anything in weeks 21:04 < mnemoc_> we also have a trac pending 21:07 < azureus> the site must be finished before we write any things to the press about the new final. 21:07 < mnemoc_> full ack 21:09 < azureus> what means ack? 21:09 < mnemoc_> agreement 21:09 < mnemoc_> acknowledge to me precise 21:09 < mnemoc_> to be* 21:11 < azureus> mom i must translate first ;-) 21:11 < mnemoc_> ack=agree nack=disagree 21:12 < azureus> ok i now i understand you 21:14 < azureus> When the visitor the the news, they will go to the website. But the current website looks very bad, so the people think the programm is also bad and go away and this wouldn't be good 21:15 < azureus> rxr said that ~next week the final will be ready 21:17 < azureus> That is my opinion. What do you think? 21:17 < veki> mnemoc: I install desktop version of T2 and it also stops when there is need to type stone. When I type stone it hangs.. 21:18 < veki> there is no CDROM and CPU activity 21:18 < veki> since machine is 450MHz with 164MB RAM, maybe it needs more time 21:18 < veki> hm 21:19 < veki> maybe it needs to communicate with serial port and it does have difficulty to connect to serial port 21:19 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.73] has joined #t2 21:20 < azureus> wb mnemoc ;-) 21:21 < mnemoc> :( 21:21 < azureus> do you read what I wrote? 21:21 < mnemoc> no 21:22 < veki> mnemoc: I arrived at thes econd stage of install 21:22 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.117] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 21:23 < mnemoc> veki: just to see where is it crashing: ldconfig 21:24 < veki> mnemoc: yes, after typing serial port it goes to stone part and it crashes 21:24 < veki> yes, this is ldconfig 21:24 < mnemoc> ldconfig crashes? 21:25 < veki> I supose that it is something concerned with my machine since it crasher minmal version and desktop version 21:25 < mnemoc> ldconfig crashes? frozes? said something? 21:25 < veki> mnemoc: since theboth crashed at the same point maybe it does have problem communicating with serial port or entering into stone or stone-text part 21:25 < veki> when i type stone it just hangs and nothing happens 21:26 < mnemoc> don't type stone 21:26 < mnemoc> type ldconfig -v 21:26 < veki> OK, I will do it immediatelly 21:26 < veki> I typed ldconfig -v and it hangs 21:27 < veki> there is nothing more on the screen 21:27 < veki> no verbose activity 21:27 < mnemoc> uhm 21:27 < veki> maybe my machine does have problem with serial port and that disturbs ldconfig 21:27 < mnemoc> why serial ports? 21:28 < mnemoc> next time try: type -p ldconfig 21:28 < mnemoc> and: ldd `type -p ldconfig` after that 21:29 < veki> OK, I will do that now and report you waht ahppens 21:29 < veki> type -p ldconfig is what I have to type 21:29 < mnemoc> yes 21:30 < veki> mnemoc: again nothing 21:31 < mnemoc> frozes? 21:31 < veki> yes 21:31 < mnemoc> uhm 21:31 < veki> I suppose that here is problem with srial port 21:31 < veki> I will check BIOS now 21:31 < mnemoc> why do you mention serial port? are you using serial console? 21:32 < veki> it aske dme serial console before that and maybe that is somethingthat is problematic 21:32 < veki> maybe I should not out anything in that part 21:33 < mnemoc> you are asked to define your TTYs 21:33 < mnemoc> vc/1 vc/2 .... 21:33 < veki> that part is not obvious 21:33 < mnemoc> virtual consoles, nothing serial there 21:33 < mnemoc> just press enter 21:33 < veki> OK, I will put it as default values 21:33 < veki> ok 21:34 < veki> I am pronpted with root, so that was problem 21:34 < mnemoc> uhm? 21:34 < mnemoc> what did you do? 21:34 < veki> what to do now, i am in root account no 21:34 < veki> I am logged as root now and I do not know what to do 21:35 < mnemoc> how did you logged as root without finishing installation? 21:35 < veki> that has happenned after pressing Enter when it asked me for vc1..... 21:35 < mnemoc> uhm 21:35 < veki> That is good question? I do not know 21:36 < veki> Actually, I typed in root Stone and I am prompted now with ncurses dialog 21:36 < mnemoc> after setting partitions and decompressing .gem files, you get vc/1... question and a prompt after that 21:36 < mnemoc> o_O 21:36 < mnemoc> stone setup is what you have to call first 21:36 < mnemoc> to set fstab, keyboard, lang, etc.. 21:36 < veki> no, I got vc1 question, when I pressed Enter it jumped over stone question and I am prompted as root account 21:37 < veki> when I in root account type stone I am prompted with ncursed sialog offering me to dopartitioning etc. 21:37 < valentin> veki: yes, and what is wrong with that ? 21:38 < valentin> or did you install already ? 21:38 < mnemoc> valentin: he got ldconfig crashing some minutes ago 21:38 < valentin> oh 21:38 < veki> for example, if I did not press Enter after vc1 question it was frozen 21:38 < mnemoc> veki: yes, you have to press enter there to create vc/* 21:38 < veki> it was forzen after stone typing and it did not put me in root account 21:39 < mnemoc> but you must get a prompt to run stone and set root password inside that 21:39 < veki> OK, I did not know that, maybe it should be mentioned in introductory text 21:39 < veki> I am right now in ncurses dialogue for partitioning. 21:39 < veki> is there any set up that you recommend 21:40 < mnemoc> i use lvm... that would confuse you even more :) 21:40 < veki> oh, thanks :-))) 21:40 < mnemoc> split root, usr, home, var, opt ... and a swap 21:41 < veki> OK, do you recommend any combination of file systems or ext3 is OK for all 21:41 < mnemoc> i use reiserfs,... that is a personal choice 21:41 < veki> so reiserfs for all partitions? 21:42 < mnemoc> that's what i do 21:43 < mnemoc> btw, reiserfs consume more cpu than ext3 21:43 < veki> ok, I am doing partitioning now 21:47 < mnemoc> rxr: do you have time to finish the release of rc1? 21:47 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.192.170.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 21:53 < sepp_> what is devenrtalised tracking, do i need it? 21:54 < sepp_> azureus shows a popup ... 21:54 < veki> nemoc: I arrived to mine dialog 21:54 < veki> which option should I use 21:54 < mnemoc> sepp_: no 21:54 < mnemoc> veki: follow your instincts 21:55 < mnemoc> sepp_: trackless torrents are uncontrolled and need udp ports 21:55 < veki> OK, i chose /dev/cdrom a source device :-) 21:55 < veki> and started package manager 21:57 < veki> I used to install all packages. I can remove them afterwards :-)) 21:57 < veki> installation started 21:58 < mnemoc> finally 21:58 < veki> yes, finally 21:58 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]"] 21:59 < veki> It is good for me to pass this several times. I am willing to write manual for th ebeginners :-) 21:59 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 22:00 < veki> I am planning tonight if everything is OK to start build the simplest target or at least to get familiar with dialogs cocnerning the target building 22:05 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.207.233.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:08 < veki> mnemoc: Installation goes fairly well 22:08 < mnemoc> :) 22:08 < veki> I willinform you if I will have any problems. Although it is late evening 10PM here, iwill not go home untill installation will be completede 22:09 < mnemoc> installation is quick 22:10 < veki> yes, it goes fairly well :-) 22:10 < veki> I like choice of packages 22:12 < veki> my idea is to see how it goes on modest machine so the target buidling i snot only privelege o frich. I know that compilaton is slow process, but it is possible to that on modest machine 22:13 < mnemoc> you can install on very modest machines, but using them to build is no-do 22:14 < veki> yes, I understand, small router and server targets are not so urgent and one can dedicte modest machine for work. That isnot aimed for those whose primary work is target building 22:15 < veki> for example, one organisation may dedictae one machine for router, firewall server builing. That is not urgent and it may be in teh corner sitting machine which builds target 22:15 < mnemoc> uhm 22:15 < veki> however, when I say modest machine i do not think on 266 MHz and 64MB RAM 22:16 < veki> currently, 1.7GHZ and 512MB RAM are often machines 22:16 < mnemoc> :) 22:17 < veki> it said that it does have error while installing packae kdeartwork 22:18 < veki> I retried and it succeeded :-) 22:19 < veki> is it probkem to make small router or firewall target? 22:19 < mnemoc> of course not 22:19 < mnemoc> there are target for embedded machines 22:20 < veki> it asked me to insert disk 2 22:20 < veki> is there any? 22:20 < mnemoc> but you don't _build_ on that small machine, you build on a big one 22:20 < sepp_> yes 22:20 < veki> where is disk2 22:20 < mnemoc> installer asks for next disk when he wants a files not available on current disc 22:21 < sepp_> same place as cd1 22:21 < mnemoc> minimal has only one CD, desktop 2, and generic ... 4 or 5 i guess 22:21 < veki> OK, I did not downoaded it :-(((( 22:26 < veki> I cannot connect to t2-project.org 22:28 < sepp_> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/space/desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_cd2.iso 22:30 < veki> I am downloading it:-) 22:31 < rxr> re 22:32 < sepp_> hi rxr 22:33 < azureus> wb rxr 22:35 < mnemoc> wb rxr 22:35 < mnemoc> rxr: too busy? 22:36 < veki> cu tomorrow 22:36 < veki> bye 22:37 < azureus> ciao 22:37 < minto> bye veki 22:37 < minto> I am off too 22:37 < minto> oogjes dicht en snaveltjes toe. Slaap lekker. 22:38 < veki> bye good night 22:38 < azureus> gn8 22:38 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has left #t2 [] 22:38 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]"] 23:16 < sepp_> mnemoc: the t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4.torrent is ok? azureus does not like this file 23:16 < mnemoc> uhm 23:17 < sepp_> i get a io error 23:17 < sepp_> downloaded it 2 times ... 23:17 < mnemoc> from the tracker? 23:17 < sepp_> no from azureus 23:18 < mnemoc> i mean .torrent 23:18 < mnemoc> # btshowmetainfo.py torrents/t2/t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4.torrent 23:18 < mnemoc> btshowmetainfo 4.1.2 - decode BitTorrent metainfo files 23:18 < mnemoc> metainfo file.: t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4.torrent 23:18 < mnemoc> info hash.....: 6c7448e01c9c5c90c3935dd7191300149319f00d 23:18 < mnemoc> directory name: t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4 23:18 < mnemoc> files.........: t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4.md5 (200) t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_cd1.iso (683677696) t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_cd2.iso (429082624) t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_index.txt (277347) 23:18 < mnemoc> archive size..: 1113037867 (4245 * 262144 + 236587) 23:18 < mnemoc> announce url..: http://t2.geeks.cl:6969/announce 23:18 < mnemoc> comment.......: 23:19 < azureus> seep : why i dontlike this file? 23:19 < sepp_> lol 23:19 < sepp_> not you but the java bt client 23:19 < mnemoc> :) 23:19 < sepp_> let me try the python thing 23:20 < azureus> why you arent using another clint? like G3 23:20 < mnemoc> sepp_: http://t2.geeks.cl/iso/t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4.torrent 23:20 -!- azureus is now known as azureus_go-out-w 23:20 < sepp_> yes i downloaded it 2 times 23:21 -!- azureus_go-out-w is now known as azureus_dog 23:21 < sepp_> even the orig. python client does not work with t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4.torrent 23:22 < sepp_> "this is not a valid torrent file." 23:22 < valentin> hi rxr 23:23 < mnemoc> uhm 23:23 < mnemoc> sepp_: and from http://t2.geeks.cl:6969/ ? 23:24 < sepp_> moment 23:25 < sepp_> wtf if i get the file with wget it works, if i download it with firefox i get "this is not a valid torrent file." 23:25 < mnemoc> binary vs. ascii download i guess 23:26 < sepp_> i downloaded the other .torrent files with firefox to 23:27 -!- azureus_dog is now known as azureus 23:31 < mnemoc> weird 23:34 < sepp_> hmm strange 23:34 < sepp_> i got the minimal torrent with firefox again - this works 23:40 < mnemoc> o_o 23:55 < mnemoc> anyone xslt here? 23:55 < sepp_> what about a binary athlon iso? 23:56 < mnemoc> jeru was making a desktop for athlonxp 23:57 < sepp_> ahh ok 23:57 < mnemoc> where the F* is jeru?! 23:59 < rxr> hehe ,-) 23:59 * rxr in bed now - cu people 23:59 < lewellyn> sleep well rxr --- Log closed Sun Jun 19 00:00:00 2005