--- Log opened Thu Jun 23 00:00:00 2005 02:19 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.255.148.4] has joined #t2 02:19 < keinek> hi 02:29 < lewellyn> hoi 02:29 < mnemoc_> moin 02:29 < mnemoc_> i'll down wiki :\ 02:29 < mnemoc_> without something to replace it with 02:30 < lewellyn> :( 02:32 < keinek> moin 02:32 < keinek> is like hi? 02:36 < mnemoc_> moin=good morning 02:37 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFFD01.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:49 < mnemoc_> how can i change an interface to fullduplex? 02:53 < mnemoc_> ethtool 04:28 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc 04:36 < keinek> i think that you need the the ethernet card's floppy disk 04:39 < mnemoc> why? what module is missing? 04:48 -!- keinek [~Keinek@201.255.148.4] has quit ["Abandonando"] 05:52 < mnemoc> rxr, valentin: i want to change accept/drop/conduit rules to be apply just to the previously set ip 06:29 -!- bigmatt [~bigmatt@pool-71-108-203-227.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #t2 06:29 < bigmatt> hey umm what architecture is the binary cd built for? 06:31 < mnemoc> which one? 06:31 < bigmatt> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/2.1.0-rc1/t2-desktop-2.1.0-rc1-p4_cd1.iso 06:31 < bigmatt> it says p4 at the end 06:31 < mnemoc> p4 :) 06:31 < bigmatt> hehe cool just what i needed :) 06:31 < mnemoc> :) 06:32 < mnemoc> we have a t2-desktop-pmmx and a t2-desktop-atholonxp pending 06:32 < bigmatt> I see 06:33 < bigmatt> so you're a developer? 06:34 < mnemoc> most of the people on this channel are developers 06:34 < _Ragnar_> wtf!!!! 06:34 < bigmatt> that's cool 06:34 < bigmatt> hah lol 06:34 < _Ragnar_> rxr: can we PLEASE write a backup of the config files on ./scripts/Config? 06:35 < bigmatt> so on the binary cds are all the packages available in T2 on them? 06:35 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: got self destructed? 06:35 < mnemoc> bigmatt: nope, just the packages selected for desktop target 06:35 < bigmatt> oh cool, also what i just needed :) 06:36 < mnemoc> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/ <-- packages list 06:38 < bigmatt> hmm i need to get off for the night i'll be in here tommorow i guess see you 06:38 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: Config is so fragile ... this is the 5th time already that it trashed my pkgsel list 06:38 -!- bigmatt [~bigmatt@pool-71-108-203-227.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 06:38 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: Config is recursive, adding backups is very hard to code 06:39 < _Ragnar_> ;p 06:39 < mnemoc> i have my config/-s on svn :) 06:40 < _Ragnar_> ;p 06:44 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: don't forget to add the issue when we get trac up 06:45 < _Ragnar_> ok 06:45 < valentin> short moin 06:45 < _Ragnar_> hey valentin 06:45 < mnemoc> hi valentin 06:46 < valentin> hi all 06:46 < valentin> mnemoc: reverted the wiki ? 06:46 < mnemoc> valentin: i changed rocknet at a client to use $ip on accept/drop/conduit 06:46 < mnemoc> valentin: i shuted it down 06:46 < mnemoc> valentin: no sense to keep it up 06:48 < mnemoc> valentin: i would like to commit that change into 2.2. mr. knetconf, please think about 06:50 < valentin> rxr is mister netconf :) 06:50 < valentin> mnemoc: how does that rule look like ? 06:50 < _Ragnar_> ;D 06:52 < valentin> mnemoc: i have to catch a train, so i will be gone in approx 3 minutes 06:55 < valentin> mnemoc: just commit that change in case the implementation is not too ugly 06:55 < valentin> and yes i am mr netconf, but rxr is mister rocknet 06:56 < valentin> cu in less than 48 h 06:57 < mnemoc> cu valentin 06:57 < mnemoc> good luck 07:02 -!- dsoft [~dsoft@238.Red-81-37-201.pooles.rima-tde.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:04 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Excess Flood] 07:04 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 07:51 -!- SerWou [~SerWou@lafilaire-3-82-224-107-105.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #t2 08:04 < SerWou> hello guys 08:55 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 08:56 < minto> hi all 09:20 -!- morfoh [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 09:20 < morfoh> moin 10:22 -!- maddin [~martin@p54BDDBAF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 10:23 < maddin> moin #t2 10:54 < morfoh> hi maddin :) 11:12 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 12:47 -!- azureus [~azureusLa@dtm9-d9bbc9ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 12:47 < azureus> hi @ all 12:49 < azureus> 19:30 < azureus> Is there no amd64 edition? 12:49 < azureus> 19:31 < sepp> no 12:49 < azureus> 19:31 < _Ragnar_> you can compile one tho 12:49 < azureus> 19:43 < azureus> How I can compile one? 12:51 < morfoh> azureus: http://dl.exactcode.de/t2-handbook/html/t2-handbookpa2.html#x72-131000II 12:53 < azureus> thanks 12:54 < morfoh> azureus: no problem 12:55 < azureus> Have i to code t2? 12:55 < morfoh> azureus: what do you mean ? 12:55 < morfoh> azureus: for building an own target distribution ? 12:56 < SerWou> hello morfoh ;) 12:56 < SerWou> and azureus 12:56 < azureus> no for compile it for amd64 12:56 < azureus> hi serWou 12:56 < morfoh> bonjour SerWou :) 12:57 < morfoh> azureus: no! 12:57 < SerWou> bonjour mon petit morfoh ;) 12:58 < morfoh> SerWou: tu est tres charmant ... :) 12:58 < SerWou> lol 12:58 < azureus> so what can I do to run it on an AMD Turino 64 12:59 < morfoh> do you have T2 installed yet ? 12:59 < morfoh> azureus: I mean ... do you have a linux installed on that box 13:01 < SerWou> azureus, what linux do you use ? 13:02 < morfoh> azureus: in a short sentence ... you will need a running linux installation for build you own T2 for AMD64 13:03 < azureus> I'm testing now 6 notebooks 13:03 < azureus> On one i wanted to install T2 13:04 < azureus> On this notebooks I havent installed T2 yet 13:04 < morfoh> then download an ISO i.e. t2-desktop and install it 13:04 < azureus> After trying to install slax and there were no problems 13:04 < azureus> I have downloaded the isos 13:06 < azureus> But i cant install it on the notebook 13:06 < morfoh> azureus: why ? 13:07 < azureus> he doesnt boot grub or I think it was called linun 13:07 < sepp> because the desktop iso is for p4 ;) 13:07 < azureus> Yesterday ssaid me one I have to compile it for AMD64 13:07 < morfoh> hi sepp :) 13:07 < azureus> hi seep 13:08 < sepp> huhu :) 13:08 < morfoh> azureus: then grab the pmmx iso 13:08 < azureus> I have tried it also 13:08 < morfoh> sepp: any news regarding the logo ? ;) 13:09 < azureus> with the mmx 13:09 < sepp> no 13:09 < azureus> I have only not installed the minimal version 13:10 < sepp> min. pmmx should work 13:10 < azureus> but it doesnt 13:11 < morfoh> azureus: what is the error ? 13:11 < azureus> oh I was to fast 13:12 < azureus> You wrote min. pmmx, mean this minimal pmmx? 13:13 < sepp> yes 13:13 < morfoh> azureus: I guess ... this means minimal-desktop target with pmmx optimization 13:14 < azureus> yes I know... But I have also downloaded the pmmx version and there is only one, isnt it฿ 13:15 < azureus> but i download it once again and burn it on cd 13:15 < sepp> t2-minimal-2.1.0-rc1-pmmx 13:16 < azureus> I think i have downloaded and installed it too 13:17 < azureus> When this doesnt work too, what I have to do then?` 13:17 < sepp> it should 13:18 < azureus> we will see 13:23 -!- maddin [~martin@p54BDDBAF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:32 -!- sepp_ [~sepp@p213.54.205.35.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2 13:40 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.220.105.tisdip.tiscali.de] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 13:54 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 14:05 < morfoh> hi veki 14:05 < veki> hi 14:06 < veki> I tried to compile Mnemosyne target from my minimal T2 14:06 < morfoh> veki: and ? didn't worked ? 14:06 < veki> It aborted to cpmpile library libowfat 14:07 < morfoh> oh! 14:07 < morfoh> did you selected libowfat ? 14:07 < sepp_> you should use 2.1 14:07 < veki> I stehre any log file so I can read it and infrom you on problem 14:08 < morfoh> hmmm ... I'm running several machines (mostly servers) here with mnemosyne based system 14:08 < veki> I downloaded it a couple of days ago, actually, 5 days ago 14:08 < morfoh> veki: from trunk ? 14:08 < veki> I downloaded it from ftp. gsmp.berlin.de I think 14:09 < morfoh> try to use t2 2.1-rc1 and try to build a mnemosyne target again ... 14:09 < morfoh> unfortunately I've to go now ... cu later folks 14:09 -!- morfoh [~jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has left #t2 [] 14:09 < veki> OK, i will try 14:09 < veki> cu 14:10 < sepp_> http://dl.exactcode.de/t2/t2-2.1.0-rc1.tar.bz2 ;) 14:10 < veki> ok 14:11 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@66-50-34-110.prtc.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 14:11 < veki> actually, it is minimal 5.1 14:11 < sepp_> what? 14:13 < veki> scripts that I use are exactly as you mentioned. 14:14 < veki> T2 is minimal (not desktop version) 5.1 14:14 < sepp_> i wonder what you mean with 5.1 14:17 < veki> should I try to compile again? 14:18 < sepp_> yes 2.1-rc1 14:19 < sepp_> you checked out trunk? 14:32 -!- azureus [~azureusLa@dtm9-d9bbc9ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:37 < veki> Ah, it is possibly 2.1 sorry 14:49 < veki> I checked again Menmosyne with more wide section of packages and download is going right now. 14:49 < veki> I will try to build it again 14:50 < veki> I checked list of targets and I am interested to know more on embedded target 14:50 < sepp_> the 2.1 tarball ? 14:50 < veki> What kind of embedded target you offer 14:50 < veki> Yes, tarball 14:51 < veki> I know some engineers here who are very good in embedded systems 14:52 < veki> we will have very soon a conference on loaclaization here 14:52 < veki> i would liek to take that opportunity and to infrom the participants about my starting involvement in t2 14:52 < veki> Is that OK with you? 14:55 < sepp_> where aer you from? 15:14 < veki> sepp: you think on me? 15:15 < sepp_> yes 15:16 < veki> I am from Belgrade, Serbia and Montenegro 15:16 < veki> you? 15:16 < sepp_> dresden, germany 15:17 < veki> Oh, there was ecellent heatre in Dresden 15:24 < veki> I need some time in order to get used to t2 and I will be more helpful to you all. 15:45 < valentin> hi from arnhem ! 15:46 < valentin> found an open accesspoint 15:47 < rxr> re 15:47 < rxr> hi 15:48 < veki> hi 15:52 < rxr> hi 15:52 < rxr> this public AP is quite nice ,-) 15:56 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFD77C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 16:07 < veki> I think that I do not have cdrecord package on my minimal T2 16:07 < veki> do you have it somewhere on mirrors? 16:07 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFD77C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:09 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFD77C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 16:15 < sepp_> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -cfg yourconfig cdrecord 16:16 < sepp_> will download, compile and install cdrecord ;) 16:16 < sepp_> hello holland 16:39 < veki> I tried to build cfengine by Emerge-Pkg etc 16:39 < veki> and package is built 16:39 < veki> but when I tried to issue command 16:41 < veki> cfengine -f /etc/cfengine/cfengine.conf -v -n and I was prompted that command was not found 16:55 < veki> hm 17:55 -!- rxr [rene@e178132100.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 17:55 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 17:55 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Jun 21 16:27:15 2005] 17:55 [Users #t2] 17:55 [ _Lewellyn] [ jsaw ] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 17:55 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ lewellyn] [ mtr ] [ sepp ] 17:55 [ CIA-9 ] [ mnemoc ] [ nzg ] [ SerWou] 17:55 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 13 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 17:55 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 17:55 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 17:55 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 7 secs 17:55 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFD77C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 17:55 < jeru> hehe 17:56 < mnemoc> hi jeru 17:56 < mnemoc> do we trac? 17:56 < jeru> yep ... atm I've some problems with my proxy which is in front of apache/trac 17:57 < mnemoc> pound? 17:58 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFD77C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12"] 17:58 < jeru> yep 17:58 < jeru> it's a bit cumbersome using pound 17:58 -!- jeru is now known as morfoh 17:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: how can I enable some coloring in irssi ? 17:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: what do you think ... should I discard pound ? 18:00 < mnemoc> i have never used it 18:00 < mnemoc> but i like the idea of dedicated proxies instead of fat webservers doing the job 18:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... I like it too 18:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: I tested gatling in front of apache/trac but I've problems with gatling's regex matching and virtual hosts in apache 18:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: in fact ... I'd like to switch completely to gatling as frontend 18:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've configured an apache virtual host "trac.t2-project.0" and want to pass everything for this host to the apache backend 18:05 < mnemoc> :) 18:05 < mnemoc> did you use .0 before or you are copying me? 18:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: sorry ... for copying you ;) 18:06 < mnemoc> :) 18:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: I can change it easyy ... if you want 18:06 < morfoh> I just wanted to avoid some naming conflicts 18:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, this irssi seems to be a quite good choice 18:07 < mnemoc> irssi is the best choice always 18:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: thanks :) 18:08 < mnemoc> even more inside ssh+screen 18:09 < morfoh> mnemoc: where can I set my nickname statically in irssi ? 18:09 < mnemoc> /set 18:15 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 18:15 < mnemoc> hi veki 18:15 < veki> hi 18:16 < veki> hi 18:16 < veki> I am compiling Mnemosyne target 18:16 < veki> I suppose that you are author due to similarity of your nick 18:17 -!- morfoh [~jeru@p54BFD77C.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 18:19 < mnemoc> yes :) 18:19 < mnemoc> but mnemosyne is a very weird target 18:19 < mnemoc> as his author 18:19 -!- jeru [~jeru@p54BFD77C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 18:19 < mnemoc> wb jeru 18:19 -!- jeru is now known as morfoh 18:20 < veki> wierd? 18:20 < veki> weird? 18:20 < veki> in which terms? 18:21 < mnemoc> runit instead of sysvinit, socklog instead of sysklog, no ifconfig, ... 18:22 < mnemoc> i'll add a 'shutdown' tool soon 18:23 < morfoh> veki: but runit is quite stable ... so I use it on some servers now and it behaves quite well ... :) 18:25 < morfoh> veki: and if you don't like socklog you can choose syslog-ng in mnemosyne 18:25 < mnemoc> :) 18:25 < veki> ok, I do nto have problems with that, I willcontact you if i will need any assisstance 18:25 < mnemoc> morfoh is no. 1 user of mnemosyne 18:26 < morfoh> mnemoc: holy sh*t ... :) 18:26 < morfoh> .oO( I'm a test rabbit )o 18:26 < mnemoc> yes 18:27 < veki> great 18:27 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, I've a lot of things for mnemosyne in working copy ... we haven't done not so many changes the last time 18:27 < morfoh> arrgg 18:27 < veki> I like things which look quite unusal but they are working. It i squestion of habit. If we are used to stability an dperfomrnace than we ar ready to change habits and use tools which are simply said better 18:28 < mnemoc> :) 18:28 < morfoh> :) 18:30 < morfoh> veki: I fully ack .... but you missed the security, you will gain while using simpler and smaller applications 18:30 < morfoh> ;) 18:30 < veki> :-) 18:31 < veki> Yes, this is very important issue 18:31 < morfoh> mnemoc: but what do I do with this gatling b*tch 18:32 < morfoh> gatling -d -v -O 127.0.0.1/8023/.*$ 18:32 < morfoh> this works 18:32 < morfoh> it's passing all requests to the apache which listens on 8023 18:32 < veki> I have to go now, more soon 18:32 < veki> cu 18:32 < morfoh> cu veki 18:33 < veki> :-) 18:33 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has left #t2 [] 18:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: but if I use gatling -d -v -O 127.0.0.1/8023/trac\.t2\-\project\.\0.*$ 18:35 < morfoh> it doesn't work anymore 18:35 -!- mnemoc_ [~amery@200.75.27.114] has joined #t2 18:38 -!- mnemoc [~amery@200.75.27.82] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 18:38 -!- mnemoc_ is now known as mnemoc 18:39 < morfoh> 20:32 < morfoh> gatling -d -v -O 127.0.0.1/8023/.*$ 18:39 < morfoh> 20:32 < morfoh> this works 18:39 < morfoh> 20:32 < morfoh> it's passing all requests to the apache which listens on 8023 18:39 < morfoh> ^mnemoc 18:39 < morfoh> 20:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: but if I use gatling -d -v -O 127.0.0.1/8023/trac\.t2\-\project\.\0.*$ 18:39 < morfoh> 20:34 < morfoh> it doesn't work anymore 18:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: any ideas ? 18:40 < mnemoc> o_O 18:40 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've test several regexp but with no success 18:40 -!- mtr_ [~Michael@p54AF8072.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 18:42 -!- mtr [~Michael@p54AF88C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 18:44 < mnemoc> morfoh: ask fefe :( 18:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: writing an email to the list already 18:49 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 18:49 < minto> hi all 18:50 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:51 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 18:53 < morfoh> mnemoc: mail is out ... let's see 18:54 < morfoh> mnemoc: this gatling is too nice ... I wanna use it. 18:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: do you use some proxy on your production servers ? 18:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: or just a bare apache ... 18:56 < mnemoc> nothing yet 18:57 < mnemoc> i expect to get plone working to discuss different 'supported' mnemosyne-* subtargets 18:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: another option for trac would be to have the apache server listening on different port 18:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: but this isn't very elegant 18:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: and I want to have smart integration of trac 18:59 < mnemoc> step 1) get it working 18:59 -!- azureus [~t6@dtm9-d9bbc9ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 18:59 < mnemoc> step 2) get it working elengantly 18:59 < mnemoc> step 3) get it smartly integrated 18:59 < mnemoc> but we need trac and plone up asap 18:59 -!- azureus [~t6@dtm9-d9bbc9ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has left #t2 [] 19:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: okok ... I'll shut up now ... .oO( banning the word elegantly )o 19:00 < mnemoc> :) 19:01 < morfoh> .oO( it's hard )o 19:16 -!- azu1 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 19:16 < azu1> hi 19:16 < morfoh> hi azu1 19:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, we've to think about some policy regarding security patches like grsec ... I'd propose to concentrate on having them working in the stable branches/tags. mostly the security patches aren't for the latest kernel, and I consider patching sth. like grsec or rsbac to other kernel versions as harmfull. what do you think ? 19:37 < mnemoc> morfoh: i wont update a kernel until all it's extenders get updated 19:37 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack 19:38 < mnemoc> that would break extender package and that goes against the policy 19:38 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... of course 19:39 < mnemoc> morfoh: btw, my design for 'wide' accept modules to work as 'webmine' 19:39 < mnemoc> webmin* 19:40 < mnemoc> to edit /etc/conf/network for example 19:40 < morfoh> mnemoc: cool 19:40 < mnemoc> but we need plone and trac before playing with wide 19:40 < morfoh> mnemoc: small components 19:40 < morfoh> ack 19:40 < mnemoc> yes 19:40 < morfoh> en need trac for wide 19:40 < mnemoc> :) 19:41 < mnemoc> trac support can be a module for wide also 19:41 < morfoh> hehe ... of course ;) 19:42 < mnemoc> finish that damn thing! :\ 19:42 < morfoh> yes ... SIR! :\ 19:43 < azu1> how it will go on with the boards? 19:43 < mnemoc> href? 19:44 < azu1> ts.pc-help-city.de/eng 19:46 < mnemoc> i mean, if we will use that forums we can href them from www 19:47 < azu1> wof course you can go to the site on www.t2.pc-help-city.de/eng 19:47 < azu1> you can write "www", but you dont have to 19:48 < mnemoc> uhm 19:48 < mnemoc> i was talking about 'linking' it from _our_ www 19:48 < morfoh> azu1: I guess we prefer direct URL's from t2-project.org .... 19:48 < azu1> Or what do you wanted to say 19:48 < azu1> ok 19:48 < azu1> It would be a good start 19:49 < morfoh> azu1: look: www2 is running on my server ... and it's smartly integrated within the t2 project infrastructure ;) 19:50 < mnemoc> anyway, i find forums stupid ... but i know some people like them 19:50 < azu1> I would be happy if you would set a link 19:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack 19:51 < azu1> there are many people they only use boards 19:51 < azu1> You will see it ;-= 19:51 < morfoh> unfortunately it's to cumbersom to search forums .. 19:52 < azu1> will you set a ref? 19:53 < morfoh> I think having good documentation, mailing lists and an IRC channel is a good combination ... anyway 19:54 < azu1> but most or all Linux distri use boards 19:55 < morfoh> azu1: you forgot ... we're not a distro as you might think 19:55 < mnemoc> our target people is different than distributions... but i don't object to have forums 19:56 < azu1> I know, but I compares t2 with linux distri or o๓ther software 19:56 < mnemoc> a forum might be ok to support targets, like livecd 19:57 < azu1> Im only here in IRC, because t2 hasnt got a board, normaly I use the board for somethnig like this 19:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack ... a forum is mostly usefull for _user_ support 19:58 < mnemoc> azu1: that's you. do you use T2? 19:58 < azu1> yes 19:58 < mnemoc> good 19:59 < sepp> huhu :) 19:59 < azu1> hi sepp 19:59 < morfoh> hey sepp :) 19:59 < morfoh> nuguck :) 19:59 < sepp> nuguck? 19:59 < sepp> what does that mean? 20:00 < morfoh> sepp: nuguck 20:00 < azu1> You will see, if on the site will be a ref, I will have more then 100 useres in a month 20:00 < mnemoc> we need a site first. morfoh! :( 20:01 < azu1> yes I know, morfohr is writting some scripts 20:01 < mnemoc> sepp: do you have a theme idea for www considering your last logo proposals? 20:02 < mnemoc> some scripts? 20:02 < azu1> yes 20:02 < sepp> mnemoc: if i understood rene he does not like the building blocks idea for a logo 20:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... the parser I told you about 20:02 < mnemoc> sepp: :( 20:02 < mnemoc> morfoh: the inline .desc processor? 20:03 < morfoh> sepp: the problem is ... we'll need a logo which will look good in 2D and 3D 20:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... it's part of it 20:04 < mnemoc> morfoh: don't forget [DEP] from .cache and error state 20:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: I want to generate content from mostly from the Documentation directory 20:04 < mnemoc> ic 20:05 < mnemoc> morfoh: but don't forget we need to replace www with _something decent_ asap 20:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... 20:05 < mnemoc> perfect integration comes with the time 20:06 < morfoh> i know 20:06 < morfoh> now 20:06 < morfoh> :) 20:06 < sepp> i see no reason why building blocks should not look good in 2d ... 20:06 < sepp> but maybe i find a other idea 20:06 < mnemoc> sepp: show them some 2d versions :) 20:06 < morfoh> them :) 20:07 < mnemoc> i _do_ like the happy blocks thing 20:09 < sepp> hmm in my presence filesystems does not last very long :(( 20:09 < morfoh> mnemoc: what do you think about if we generate our first version of the web site content from ReST documents which will be stored in the Documentation dir and running a post commit script for running my python script which wil update the site ? 20:11 < mnemoc> ReST documents at Documents/ may go against grep/less friendly 'policy' but i do like the idea of having them at svn 20:12 < mnemoc> but we can move them from zoe to filesystem later, don't we? 20:12 < morfoh> mnemoc: and if we can generate html and txt ? ;) 20:12 < mnemoc> from a diferent svn tree, exporting to t2 tree is ok to me :) 20:12 < mnemoc> i have to go 20:13 < mnemoc> back in 1h 20:13 < mnemoc> cu 20:13 < morfoh> where do you go ? 20:13 < morfoh> cu :( 20:13 < mnemoc> kinder 20:13 < mnemoc> cu 20:13 < morfoh> ah :) 20:14 < morfoh> sepp: btw, the enlightenment logo is quite nice 20:14 < morfoh> sepp: looks godd both ways 20:15 < sepp> e17? 20:15 < morfoh> yep 20:15 < sepp> yes 20:16 < morfoh> i like it .. the logo and the concept behind e17 ;) 20:16 < sepp> what is the concept 20:16 < sepp> wait for hurd? 20:17 < morfoh> why hurd ? 20:17 < sepp> dont know, same speed to a final version 20:18 < morfoh> yes .... that's a bit lame 20:18 < morfoh> sepp: what wm do you use ? 20:19 < sepp> *box, fluxbox the last years 20:19 < sepp> because it has some xinelera support 20:20 < morfoh> sepp: yes ... flux is nice too ... ;) 20:21 < sepp> i am a amiga victim, dancing aliens on my screen make me nervous 20:25 < sepp> so how small should the 2d logo be? 20:25 < morfoh> small ? 20:25 < sepp> pixel 20:26 < morfoh> hmmm ... if we think about our website, I'd say 60x60 ? 20:27 < morfoh> at least 60-70px height 20:27 < morfoh> sepp: or what do you think ? 20:28 < sepp> ok, but then there will be no "t2 is a sde and you can do this and that" story in the logo 20:28 < morfoh> yes ... I think this isn't possible 20:28 < sepp> i think nothing ;) 20:29 < morfoh> good :) 20:44 < sepp> btw what does nuguck mean? 20:44 < morfoh> nun guckst du 20:45 < sepp> ahh that is berlin/turkish mixture? 20:45 < morfoh> nah :) 20:45 < morfoh> = guckst du ? 20:45 < morfoh> isch mach disch platt 20:46 * sepp too long in dresden 20:47 < morfoh> why too long ? 20:48 < sepp> because the language barrier you have here 20:48 < morfoh> barrier of what kind ? 20:49 < sepp> they do not speak german here ... 20:49 < morfoh> hehe :) 20:52 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 20:57 < azureus> I have installed now the RC1 ;-) 21:02 < morfoh> azureus: good :) 21:02 < azureus> I think there was a problem with the partition 21:02 < azureus> the first time i had the same problem 21:02 < azureus> then I deleted all the partitions and create them again 21:02 < azureus> and then it works 21:04 -!- azu1 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:05 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has quit [Excess Flood] 21:06 -!- CIA-9 [~CIA@flapjack.navi.cx] has joined #t2 21:10 < lewellyn> hoi all 21:10 < lewellyn> woo :) 21:10 < lewellyn> 12:54 .:@idlerpg: _Lewellyn grew an extra leg! This wondrous godsend has accelerated 21:10 < lewellyn> them 2 days, 12:05:29 towards level 67. 21:10 < morfoh> hoi hoi lewellyn :) 21:13 < lewellyn> it was an eventful morning for me. i hit level 66 about 10 hours ago. (that gave me 57 days till next level up.) i've been winning all sorts of battles and now have 20 days left till level up. 21:13 < lewellyn> and all by idling! 21:14 < sepp> rpg? 21:15 < sepp> barriere one 21:15 < sepp> uhm whats this 21:15 < sepp> which one ... 21:19 -!- azu1 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 21:19 < azu1> But now he is asking me for a loginname 21:20 < morfoh> azureus: root ? 21:20 < morfoh> azureus: and the password you choosed while installing the system ? 21:21 < azu1> ok sry. i forgott it 21:21 < azu1> but to start KDE i have to write startx? 21:22 < morfoh> yes ... if you want to let it start automatically change the runlevel to 5 21:22 -!- azureus [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 21:28 < jsaw> re 21:28 < morfoh> hey jsaw :) 21:28 < jsaw> is embutils needed in stage 1? 21:28 < jsaw> hi morfoh 21:29 < morfoh> jsaw: it would be nice 21:29 < jsaw> hmmm, doesn't compile... 21:29 < jsaw> why in stage 1? 21:30 < morfoh> jsaw: embedded target 21:31 < azu1> but he dosent know this command 21:31 < jsaw> embedded target okay, but why is stage 5 not enough, do we need it to (cross)compile the target? 21:32 < morfoh> jsaw: I guess it's just nice to have atm ;) 21:32 < jsaw> does it compile for everybody else? 21:32 < morfoh> jsaw: no real need for it to compile in stage 1 now 21:33 < morfoh> jsaw: yes ... I build it some days ago 21:34 < jsaw> let's see what happens in stage 5 in a few hours... 21:34 < morfoh> jsaw: ok ;) 21:34 < jsaw> heading home, cu guys :) 21:34 < morfoh> cu 21:39 < lewellyn> be safe 22:01 -!- madtux [~mike@65.182.14.29] has joined #t2 22:01 < madtux> hi 22:02 < morfoh> hi madtux ... how you doing ? 22:03 < madtux> good u? 22:04 < morfoh> madtux: I'm fine ... thanks 22:04 -!- Postal [~Postal@ool-435627d0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2 22:04 < Postal> Hey all 22:04 < mnemoc> hi codetux 22:04 < morfoh> hi Postal 22:04 < mnemoc> hi Postal 22:05 < morfoh> hi mnemoc ! 22:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess I figured out the problem with pound ;) 22:05 < mnemoc> good 22:05 < Postal> does anyone know if the dietlibc problem about the internel compile error has been fixed yet? 22:06 < Postal> btw the livecd is very nice 22:06 < morfoh> Postal: there were a lot of dietlibc issues solved the last week 22:06 < Postal> ok, cause i guess it happened 4 or 5 days ago 22:06 < azu1> How can I start KDE? 22:07 < morfoh> Postal: but I don't know if your particular problem was solved too 22:07 < Postal> could not get past stage 1.. and my programing skills are well, wait what programming skills.. 22:07 < morfoh> Postal: give it try please ;) 22:08 < Postal> morfoh, i lost the live cd so im dl it now its done in 10 min then ill get back to you asap 22:09 < sepp> hi madtux, Postal 22:09 < Postal> hi sepp 22:17 -!- azu1 [~hfsjdi@dtm9-d9bbc9ce.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 22:24 -!- azureus [~azureusLa@dtm9-d9bbcc31.pool.mediaWays.net] has joined #t2 22:25 < azureus> I was away 22:25 < azureus> hast anyone anserwed my question? 22:25 < mnemoc> what questron? 22:26 < azureus> how I can start Linux after login 22:26 < azureus> Ive tried it with startx 22:26 < azureus> like in the live iso 22:26 < azureus> but "command not found" 22:26 < sepp> azureus: minimal has no X or kde but you can build a t2 for your amd64 22:26 < sepp> http://t2-project.org/buildintro.html 22:26 < azureus> .... 22:27 < azureus> why isnt there a normal pmmx version? 22:27 < morfoh> azureus: perhaps you has misunderstood the term "minimal desktop" 22:27 < azureus> yes...:-( 22:28 < mnemoc> morfoh: are pmmx and athlonxp desktops finished? 22:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes 22:28 < mnemoc> morfoh: can you pass them to rene? 22:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes 22:28 < mnemoc> :D 22:28 < morfoh> :D 22:28 < mnemoc> will you? 22:29 < morfoh> yes 22:29 < mnemoc> soon? 22:29 < morfoh> yes 22:29 < mnemoc> great :) 22:30 < sepp> btw what is with the torrent idea? 22:30 < sepp> i mean it was not announced ... 22:31 < mnemoc> it seems rene wants to have it as gsmp 22:31 < sepp> ahh ok 22:31 < mnemoc> do you know how to change the announce on a .torrent? 22:32 < mnemoc> i would like to relocate it to port 80 on same meanful name 22:32 < mnemoc> torrent.t2-project.org for example 22:32 < sepp> no clue, sorry 22:32 < azureus> is this the version I could "normaly" install? 22:33 < mnemoc> azureus: minimal? yes 22:33 < azureus> not the minimal 22:33 < azureus> morfoh: are pmmx and athlonxp desktops finished? 22:33 < mnemoc> yes 22:33 < mnemoc> desktop is installable 22:33 < sepp> azureus: you could install the athlonxp version 22:33 < mnemoc> you have to download it first :p 22:34 < azureus> where? 22:34 < mnemoc> morfoh: can you seed it from there? 22:34 < azureus> If you want a torrent tracker i could make you ine 22:35 < azureus> *one 22:35 < mnemoc> we have one at t2.geeks.cl:6969 22:35 < mnemoc> azureus: do you know how to change the announce on a .torrent? 22:36 < azureus> i think yes :) 22:36 < mnemoc> i can change it to torrent.geeks.cl:80 but .t2-project.org is better.... rxr? 22:36 < azureus> for this a programms 22:37 < mnemoc> i have gui-less bittorrent, the python thing 22:37 < azureus> You can also do it with azuerus 22:38 < mnemoc> i wont install java cows here :) 22:38 < mnemoc> but if you can change .torrent and send it back.... 22:38 < azureus> yes 22:38 < sepp> advanced/tracker/edit tracker url ? 22:39 < azureus> sent me a mail to admin@pc-help-city.de 22:39 < mnemoc> i have *gui-less* bittorrent, the python thing 22:39 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl:6969/ <--- they live here 22:39 < mnemoc> but i need to contact rene or th before renaming it 22:41 < mnemoc> btreannounce.py <--- nice 22:41 < mnemoc> that tool does it 22:41 < mnemoc> thanks azureus anyway :) 22:42 < azureus> np 22:42 < azureus> I go now to bed 22:42 < azureus> bye 22:44 < mnemoc> bye azureus 22:45 -!- Postal [~Postal@ool-435627d0.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:00 -!- veki [~chatzilla@217.24.19.40] has joined #t2 23:00 < veki> hi 23:02 < madtux> yar 23:02 -!- azureus [~azureusLa@dtm9-d9bbcc31.pool.mediaWays.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:08 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)] 23:28 -!- sparc-kly [~mubex@66-50-34-110.prtc.net] has joined #t2 23:28 -!- Postal [~live@ool-435627d0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2 23:28 < Postal> hey all 23:29 < veki> hi 23:30 < sparc-kly> SunOS unknown 5.9 Generic_112233-10 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-5_10 23:30 < sparc-kly> really sol9 sucks 23:31 < Postal> sparc-kly: sry mate 23:31 < Postal> ;-) 23:31 < madtux> sol* sucks 23:31 < Postal> lol 23:31 < Postal> what is sol? 23:32 < sepp> i guess at least cdrecord works there :) 23:32 < sepp> without zillion errors 23:32 < madtux> slowlaris 23:32 < Postal> lol 23:34 < Postal> sepp: so how many errors was that lol 23:34 < Postal> :) 23:35 < sepp> i really dont know, last time i used solaris - 4 years ago 23:36 < Postal> ic 23:36 < Postal> never used it 23:36 < Postal> am i missing anything? 23:37 < sparc-kly> i love blastwave.org / easy way for install apps :D 23:38 -!- madtux [~mike@65.182.14.29] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:38 < sepp> sure, even years ago seemed to be stone age 23:39 < Postal> lol 23:40 < Postal> the 2.4 kernel is in its 31 patch revision? 23:43 -!- bigmatt [~bigmatt@pool-71-108-203-227.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #t2 23:46 -!- bigmatt [~bigmatt@pool-71-108-203-227.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:52 < sepp> good night * --- Log closed Fri Jun 24 00:00:00 2005