--- Log opened Mon Jun 27 00:00:00 2005
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03:05 < mnemoc_> moin
03:26 < lewellyn> hoi. how is?
03:46 < mnemoc_> stressing :), and there? how is sushi?
03:48 < lewellyn> no sushi recently.
03:48 < lewellyn> i'm finishing up an email to be sent to a client
03:48 < lewellyn> then, if i have time, i'll shave before heading to dinner with my gf
03:48 < lewellyn> yay, priorities :(
03:49 < mnemoc_> c'est la vie
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08:58 < valentin> moin
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12:12 < jsaw> re
12:19 < CIA-11> rene * r9858 /trunk/package/base/minised/ (fixes.patch speedup.patch): * fixed minised $ address matching and speed the output up, slightly
12:22 < CIA-11> rene * r9859 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/initrdinit: 
12:22 < CIA-11> * added the reverseing to initrdinit, now that minised's $ matching
12:22 < CIA-11>  got fixed ,-)
12:22 < rxr_> re
12:22 < rxr_> hi jsaw 
12:22 -!- You're now known as rxr
12:41 < jsaw> hi rxr
12:42 < CIA-11> rene * r9860 /trunk/package/x11/lesstif/lesstif.desc: * updated lesstif (0.94.0 -> 0.94.4)
12:42 < CIA-11> rene * r9861 /trunk/package/perl/perl-xml-simple/perl-xml-simple.desc: * updated perl-xml-simple (2.09 -> 2.14)
12:43 < rxr>  http://www.osnews.com/comment.php  133  
12:43 < rxr> ^- osnews comment help ,-)
12:49 < jsaw> rxr: where should the thinkpad equivalent to macosd go, into multimedia or x86?
12:54 < rxr> maybe x86 for now
12:56 < CIA-11> jsaw * r9862 /trunk/package/x86/tpb/ (. tpb.desc): * add tpd 0.6.3 (ThinkPad buttons)
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12:58 < jsaw> rxr: how hard would it be to make your macosd thinkpad aware?
12:59 < rxr> macosd does ontly do the visuatlization
12:59 < rxr> the low-level parsing is done in pbbuttonsd - an ugly piece of software
13:00 < rxr> I would like to see tiny backends using D-BUS - maybe even using HAL - and my macosd then beeing a HAL OSD just reacting to the D-BUS events ...
13:00 < rxr> though the pbbuttonsd people might work on non Apple hardware apdations - but I would rather avoid those and get some more standard way like d-bus / hal ...
13:05 < jsaw> ic
13:07 < CIA-11> rene * r9863 /trunk/package/base/minised/compile.patch: * fixed gcc version typo in minised/compile.patch
13:12 < jsaw> rxr: minised is compiled before embutils?
13:13 < rxr> oh
13:13 < rxr> maybe .-(
13:13 < rxr> could you tune ?
13:13 < jsaw> yep, at it, as soon as embutils compiles...
13:16 < jsaw> rxr: what's the wrapper verbose flag again?
13:31 < jsaw> rxr: how can it happen, that embutils is not compiled against dietlibc in stage 1?
13:32 < jsaw> or question other way round: how can I force it?
13:38 < CIA-11> jsaw * r9864 /trunk/target/bootdisk/config.in: 
13:38 < CIA-11> * embutils cannot be compiled without diet (so enable it in
13:38 < CIA-11>  bootdisk target by default).
13:38 < CIA-11>  I assume this applies to minised also.
13:38 < CIA-11> jsaw * r9865 /trunk/package/base/minised/minised.desc: * build minised after embutils (adjust prio)
13:42 < jsaw> rxr: typo in your gets.patch: last line "tt"
13:42 < jsaw> cu later
14:28 < CIA-11> rene * r9866 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/gets.patch: * fixed typo in the warning of gets
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15:15 < rxr> the latest schilling storry:
15:15 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/t2/trunk/package/base/dietlibc/
15:17 < valentin> sc
15:17 < valentin> schilling ?
15:17 < rxr> 11cdrecord person
15:21 < rxr> http://schillix.berlios.de/
15:21 < rxr> ^- haha - what a feature set ... lol ...
15:22 < valentin> i know but what story ?
15:23 < rxr> the link above ...
15:23 < rxr> "open slowlaris^Wsolaris distributions start to rivial" or so ...
15:24 < rxr> how is berlin ?
15:25 < valentin> as always
15:25 < valentin> how is amsterdam ?
15:25 < rxr> amsterdam is very nice
15:25 < rxr> tell you soon more - including 200++ photos ...
15:38 < jsaw> re
15:39 < jsaw> www.golem.de/0506/38873.html
15:39 < jsaw> ... rocklinux to pay 200$ a year...
15:40 < jsaw> what's this: www.t2-project.com
15:44 < valentin> Boustani unterstrich aber, dass das LMI Community-Projekten in keinem Fall Probleme machen wolle. 
15:44 < valentin> so no pay whatsoever
15:50 < rxr> no idea what this t2-project.com is ..
15:58 < valentin> they are T^2 in fact
15:58 < valentin> not T2
15:58 < SerWou> Tē ?
15:58 < SerWou> ;)
15:59 < rxr> our logo looks like t^2 anyway
15:59 < rxr> they are most likely tring to get visitors of t2 to their site
15:59 < rxr> it can't be there for too long ...
16:00 < jsaw> valentin: thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.legal/21606
16:00 < valentin> i do not think they are aware of us
16:02 < jsaw> rxr: is xen-tools needed on bootdisk?
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16:11 < morfoh> moin
16:11 < morfoh> rxr: around ?
16:12 < jsaw> with half a ear
16:12 < morfoh> hi jsaw 
16:12 < jsaw> hi morfoh 
16:12 < morfoh> jsaw: do you have the half of rxr ear ?
16:12 < morfoh> :)
16:13 < jsaw> no :(
16:13 < morfoh> I just need a DNS entry for trac.t2-project.org set to the IP of www2
16:13 < morfoh> that's what I wanted to ask master rxr ;)
16:14 < morfoh> back in some minutes 
16:16 < jsaw> gotta go, cu
16:18 < rxr> our amd64 build progresses now - BIOS update seem to get rid of the stability problem ...
16:18 < rxr> morfoh: oh - hi
16:19 < rxr> morfoh: which IP ?
16:30 < CIA-11> rene * r9867 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/initrdinit: * fixed initrdinit to mount the rootfs read-only
16:36 < morfoh> rxr: hi :)
16:36 < rxr> hi ,-)
16:36 < rxr> if you pass the IP now, it will be available in some minuts
16:36 < rxr> since the upstream admin is online as well right now ...
16:37 < morfoh> rxr: 213.239.204.184
16:38 < morfoh> rxr: same as www2
16:40 < CIA-11> rene * r9868 /trunk/package/base/ (kbd/kbd.conf kbd/kbd.init sysfiles/system.init): 
16:40 < CIA-11> * seperated keyboard setup from system.init - the same should be done
16:40 < CIA-11>  for other things like the font and such - for embedded systems
16:41 < rxr> morfoh: should be in the upstream nameserver now
16:41 < rxr> depending on how many caches you have in between it should show up soon
16:42 < rxr> works for me already
16:44 < CIA-11> rene * r9869 /trunk/package/network/samba/samba.init: 
16:44 < CIA-11> * fixed samba.init to not quit without error if no config file is
16:44 < CIA-11>  present - untested
16:47 < morfoh> rxr: thank you ,)
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17:05 < valentin> morfoh: trac up running ?
17:07 < morfoh> hi valentin ... yes it runs .... just to have to tweak my proxy a bit and it will be available
17:08 < morfoh> so ... I'll move home now ... cu soon ;)
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17:24 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
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17:24 [Users #t2]
17:24 [ _Lewellyn] [ jsaw  ] [ MOHCTP] [ rxr   ] [ sparc-kly] 
17:24 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ mipe  ] [ mtr   ] [ rxr_  ] [ valentin ] 
17:24 [ CIA-11   ] [ mnemoc] [ nzg   ] [ SerWou] 
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17:24 < mnemoc> hi rxr
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17:25 < valentin> moin mnemoc 
17:26 < mnemoc> moin valentin 
17:26 < mnemoc> trac will be https only also?
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18:08 < CIA-11> amery * r9870 /branches/2.1/package/base/gcc/ (apply-protector.sh gcc.conf no-specs.patch): 
18:08 < CIA-11> * merged 8534 from trunk: changed gcc to work without a protector patch
18:08 < CIA-11> * merged 8811 from trunk: fixed gcc configure to really enable/disable shared libraries
18:08 < CIA-11> * merged 9605 from trunk: removed grave hack which copied crt* objects, and to not install the specs file
18:09 < CIA-11> amery * r9871 /branches/2.1/package/x11-modular/xserver/xserver.desc: * merged 9846 from trunk: fixed xserver by repriorizing it after randr, render, resourceext, xfont and xrender
18:12 < CIA-11> amery * r9872 /branches/2.1/package/base/ (glibc/glibc.desc glibc32/glibc32.desc): 
18:12 < CIA-11> * merged 8535 from trunk: updated glibc (2.3.4 -> 2.3.5)
18:12 < CIA-11> * merged 8535 from trunk: updated glibc32 (2.3.4 -> 2.3.5)
18:12 < valentin> ouhm glibc update in stable ?
18:13 < CIA-11> amery * r9873 /branches/2.1/package/x11/imlib/imlib.desc: * merged 9370 from trunk: updated imlib (1.9.14 -> 1.9.15)
18:13 < mnemoc> valentin: rc1 -> rc2 :-)  i updated locally and everything worked fine
18:14 < mnemoc> valentin: do you know any incompatibility?
18:15 < mnemoc> and Emerge wont update it if you don't force it....
18:18 < mnemoc> valentin: i wanted to update kde 3.4.0 to 3.4.1 now... comments?
18:21 < CIA-11> amery * r9874 /branches/2.1/package/archiver/alien/alien.desc: * merged 9378,9656 from trunk: updated alien (8.51 -> 8.53) and fixed to use prefix properly
18:23 < valentin> mnemoc: i do not know incompatiblity, but i have bad experience with minor glibc updates on sparc
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18:25 < morfoh> re hi
18:25 < valentin> hi re morfoh 
18:26 < morfoh> hi valentin 
18:27 < mnemoc> valentin: i have heard 2.3.4 was weak and 2.3.5 was better..... that was the mean reason
18:27 < mnemoc> hi morfoh 
18:28 < mnemoc> morfoh: trac.t2-p.o gives proxy error :\
18:28 < mnemoc> morfoh: hi!
18:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: hi :)
18:28 < morfoh> I'm already on the machine and configuring the last 
18:29 < mnemoc> http? :)
18:29 < mnemoc> or at least an automatic redirect to https?
18:29 < morfoh> hmmm ... yes ... if we can use https for all login stuff
18:30 < rxr_> mnemoc: the glibc is fine
18:30 < valentin> driving home, cu
18:30 < mnemoc> rxr_: thanks
18:30 < morfoh> cu valentin 
18:30 < mnemoc> morfoh: pysqlite -> 2 or pysqlite2 ? who depends on pysqlite?
18:31 < morfoh> mnemoc: uhm? 
18:32 < mnemoc> morfoh: who depends on pysqlite? what should we do with it and sqlite2?
18:32 < mnemoc> morfoh: create a new package or update the current?
18:32 < morfoh> create a new package because of api changes
18:33 < mnemoc> ok
18:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: i guess i have it in my working copy
18:34 < morfoh> mnemoc: but anyway trac wants the "old" one 
18:34 < mnemoc> good to know
18:35 < mnemoc> if you have a minute can you commit pysqlite2?
18:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes but it's not tested yet and I have no time for testing it now
18:35 < mnemoc> tested to build or tested to work?
18:36 < morfoh> I think there were problems during the build because of the "old" installation
18:36 < mnemoc> conflicts?
18:36 < rxr_> mnemoc: I would like rush out 2.1 - golem.de even plans a bigger news ...
18:36 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes
18:37 < mnemoc> rxr_: can you fix alsa for wine please?
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18:38 < rxr_> yes
18:38 < rxr_> tomorrow when I'm back home, ok ?
18:38 -!- You're now known as rxr
18:38 < mnemoc> promise?
18:38 < rxr> yeah
18:39 < mnemoc> :)
18:39 < morfoh> rxr: I've to hand out the 2.1-rc1 athlon-xp desktop iso's to you too 
18:40 < mnemoc> morfoh: send me a .torrent :)
18:40 < morfoh> mnemoc: later this evening .... ok?
18:41 < morfoh> .oO( my little friend here ... seems to be sick )o :(
18:41 < mnemoc> :(
18:42 < MOHCTP> .
18:43 < morfoh> btw, hi MOHCTP 
18:43 < MOHCTP> hi All
18:44 < morfoh> MOHCTP: is your nick "cyrillic" ? ;)
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18:44 < CIA-11> amery * r9875 /branches/2.1/package/compat/libstdc++-v3/ (4 files): * merged 9651,9796 from trunk: cleaned up libstdc++-v3 and patched to not run fixinclude
18:44 < MOHCTP> just in case, someone know status of LiveDistCC target in last release?
18:44 < MOHCTP> yes its cyrillic
18:48 < morfoh> MOHCTP: I think the LiveDistCC target wasn't maintained further but we've a new LiveCD but I don't know if distcc is on it 
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18:52 < MOHCTP> LiveCD too big for me, i starting to play with T2 and looking for easy way to use distcc on 20 netboot nodes 
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19:01 < MOHCTP> hi veki
19:01 < veki> hi
19:01 < morfoh> h veki 
19:02 < veki> hi morfoh
19:02 < veki> what's up
19:02 < mnemoc> hi veki 
19:02 < veki> hi
19:04 < CIA-11> rene * r9876 /trunk/package/develop/ccache/parse-config: 
19:04 < CIA-11> * added $stagelevel 0 and 1 to the ccache directory name since the
19:04 < CIA-11>  early stages usually do differ too much from the later build packages
19:04 -!- Postal [~Postal@ool-435627d0.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #t2
19:04 < Postal> hey all
19:05 < MOHCTP> hi Postal
19:05 < veki> hey
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19:10 < rxr> hi Postal veki morfoh ... ,-)
19:10 < mnemoc> and mipe
19:10 < morfoh> hi Postal 
19:14 < mipe> damm studying(coming up thesis proposals) is boring
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19:17 < Postal> is rxr around?
19:17 < mipe> one is to make a secure and easy to administrate linux for isp, which could also make some statistics, based on t2 ofcourse. 
19:17 < Postal> HEY MIPE
19:17 < rxr> Postal: yes, barely
19:17 < mipe> hi postal
19:18 < Postal> rxr: is the problem with dietlibc internel compile error fixed yet?
19:18 < rxr> no .-(
19:18 < mipe> sounds bad. what is that? dont remember
19:18 < rxr> but I'm sitting near a dual opteron box right now
19:18 < rxr> though only until tomorrow
19:19 < rxr> but I guess I will continue to have remote access
19:19 < rxr> that will speedup development I think
19:19 < Postal> rxr: well the livecd is allot of fun, but...
19:19 < rxr> but aside the ICE - one can work around easily - amd64 is building fine now ...
19:19 < Postal> can i revert back a few versions of dietlibc
19:20 < _Ragnar_> :)
19:20 < _Ragnar_> O_O kewl
19:20 < mipe> ah that one... i reverted dietlibc to get around it
19:20 < _Ragnar_> but dietlibc seems to bail in trunk with stackguard
19:20 < Postal> _Ragnar_:  um in english lol
19:20 < Postal> ok well im at HEAD now
19:21 < _Ragnar_> ?
19:21  * mipe is feeling laggy
19:21 < _Ragnar_> btw the soekris purrs away happily with t2 :)
19:22 < morfoh> Hi Ragnar :)
19:22 < morfoh> nice to hear ;)
19:22 < Postal> rxr: what is the workaround for the dietlibc?
19:23 < mipe> Postal: revert one version back on dietlibc, i think i did that to get around it, or was it gcc
19:23 < Postal> i would rather revert dietlibc than gcc
19:23 < mipe> checking
19:24 < Postal> mipe thanks
19:24 < mipe> yep it was dietlibc, reverting gcc doesnt help
19:24 < Postal> ok how do i revert dietlibc?
19:24 < Postal> and what is dietlibc?
19:24 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
19:25 < morfoh> :D
19:25 < _Ragnar_> smaller c library
19:25 < Postal> oh
19:25 < Postal> that makes sense
19:25 < Postal> what not use a BIGGER C library?
19:25 < Postal> lol
19:25 < morfoh> rxr: have you seen my query ?
19:26 < CIA-11> amery * r9877 /branches/2.1/package/kde/kdevelop/kdevelop.desc: * merged 9361 from trunk: updated kdevelop (3.2.0 -> 3.2.1)
19:26 < _Ragnar_> glibc is bloat upon bloat ...;)
19:26 < mipe> Postal: dont remember offhand svn command for it and dont have svn installed on this to check. but the svn revision is r8998
19:27 < Postal> ok what is the current version and what is the revision to revert to?
19:27 < Postal> r8998 r8997?
19:28 < mipe> yep 8998 is the revision for updated version, the latter one is the older dietlibc
19:29 < Postal> ok  "svn revert -r8998 -r8997 ."
19:29 < Postal> i think
19:29 < mipe> in dietlibc dir
19:29 < Postal> where is that lol
19:29 < mipe> package/base/dietlibc
19:30 < _Ragnar_> that command doesn't work for my svn
19:30 < mipe> actually you need to use svn merge
19:30 < Postal> it dosent work on mine either
19:30 < mipe> revert is for local i think
19:30 < Postal> well i have no idea how to do that lol
19:31 < Postal> got it
19:31 < Postal> 1 sev
19:31 < Postal> sec 
19:31 < mipe> "svn merge -r8998:8997 . ", but dont kill me if it doesnt work and messes it up, you better ask someone who knows svn
19:32 < Postal> mipe yup
19:32 < Postal> looks right according to the man page
19:32 < Postal>  ok looks like it merged
19:32  * _Ragnar_ tries
19:32 < CIA-11> amery * r9878 /branches/2.1/package/kde/ (25 files in 23 dirs): (log message trimmed)
19:32 < CIA-11> * merged 9287,9426,9515 from trunk: updated kde (3.4.0 -> 3.4.1)
19:32 < CIA-11>  * updated arts (1.4.0 -> 1.4.1)
19:32 < CIA-11>  * updated kdegames (3.4.0 -> 3.4.1)
19:32 < CIA-11>  * updated kdebindings (3.4.0 -> 3.4.1)
19:32 < CIA-11>  * updated kde-i18n-es (3.4.0 -> 3.4.1)
19:32 < CIA-11>  * updated kde-i18n-it (3.4.0 -> 3.4.1)
19:33 < Postal> _Ragnar_: did the command work for you also?
19:34 < _Ragnar_> yes
19:34 < Postal> ok good well i am going to start this build now, drop my brother in town and ill report when i get back ;-)
19:34 < _Ragnar_> ok
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19:45 < rxr> mnemoc: there might be a kde
19:45 < rxr> base hal patch to be removedf
19:45 < rxr> I still did not find time to review if any bit was applied
19:46 < mnemoc> rxr: 9426?
19:48 < _Ragnar_> hmmm no dietlibc still fails
19:49 < _Ragnar_> is there a way to turn off stackguard selectively for this package?
19:50 < mnemoc> yes, on gcc's parse-config
19:52 < _Ragnar_> if [ $pkg != glibc -a $pkg != grub  -a $pkg != dietlibc -a $pkg != linux26 -a $pkg != linux24 ]
19:52 < _Ragnar_> then
19:52 < _Ragnar_> ...
19:52 < _Ragnar_> why doesn't this already skip stackguard for dietlibc?
19:53 < mnemoc> svn blame :)
19:53 < rxr> http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra20/i
19:53 < rxr> ^- .oO
19:53 < rxr> without i btw. ....
19:53 < rxr> http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra20/
19:58 < morfoh> rxr: do you wanna  buy Sun ? ;)
19:59 < rxr> no idea yet
19:59 < rxr> actually the box doen't look too bad .-)
20:00 < morfoh> yes ;)
20:00 < MOHCTP> ultra 20... not THAT ultra i remember, new amd based, interestiong
20:02 < morfoh> rxr: when do you have some time setting up the svn "replication" ?
20:05 < Postal|Away> rxr: why not just build one?
20:05 -!- Postal|Away is now known as Postal
20:05 < CIA-11> amery * r9879 /branches/2.1/package/develop/boehm-gc/ (boehm-gc.desc no_doc.patch): * merged 9679,9680 from trunk: updated boehm-gc (6.4 -> 6.5)
20:06 < MOHCTP> where World is going, no more Apple PPC, SUN based on x86-64...
20:10 < Postal> rene, can we get some gmaes on the live cd ;-) pinball would be really nice
20:10 < Postal> lol
20:10 < Postal> games*
20:12 < MOHCTP> can I ask lame questions?
20:12 < Postal> MOHCTP: sure but you might get lame answers
20:13 < rxr> Postal: ok - you have the official assignment to do a gaming livecd
20:13 < MOHCTP> I rying my first build, failing with chown: changing ownership of /home/.../T2/t2-2.1.0-rc1/ ...
20:14 < rxr> have fun doing it ,-)
20:14 < MOHCTP> shuld i be root or export $root?
20:14 < rxr> MOHCTP: root - maybe fakeroot works at all - but that is untested
20:17 < MOHCTP> trying fakeroot...
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20:17 < MOHCTP> hi lewellyn
20:18 < MOHCTP> no... fakeroot same error
20:18 < lewellyn> hoi
20:20 < rxr> cu all
20:20  * lewellyn wanders off, too
20:22 < MOHCTP> root is ok, started compilation of glibc..., work only with real root
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20:22 < azureus> hello
20:22 < MOHCTP> hi azureus
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20:24 < morfoh> cu rxr 
20:25 < azureus> hi morfoh
20:26 < azureus> Is there anything new about the website?
20:28 < morfoh> hi azureus 
20:28  * morfoh phoning
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20:42 < Postal> the merge did not solve the problem
20:43 < Postal> dietlibc still does not build
20:43 < Postal> is it nesesary?
20:44 < _Ragnar_> yea
20:44 < Postal> its a diffrent error this time though
20:44 < Postal> do you want the tail?
20:45 < Postal> bin-x86_64/dietlibc.a: could not read symbols: Archive has no index; run ranlib to add one
20:45 < Postal> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
20:45 < Postal> make: *** [bin-x86_64/diet] Error 1
20:48 < _Ragnar_> oh btw: my error:
20:48 < _Ragnar_> i686-t2-linux-gnu-gcc -isystem include -pipe -nostdinc -Os -fomit-frame-pointer -falign-functions=1 -falign-jumps=1 -falign-loops=1 -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -Wall -W -Wcha
20:48 < _Ragnar_> r-subscripts -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wno-switch -Wno-unused -Wredundant-decls -nostdlib -o bin-i386/diet bin-i386/start.o bin-i386/dyn_start.o diet.c bin-
20:48 < _Ragnar_> i386/dietlibc.a bin-i386/dyn_stop.o -DDIETHOME=\"/export/t2-trunk/src.dietlibc.1119894007.26612.fad8824d/dietlibc-0.28\" -DVERSION=\"dietlibc-0.29\" -lgcc
20:48 < _Ragnar_> /export/t2-trunk/build/desktop-2.2.0-alpha-x86-athlon-generic/TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/crosscc/../lib/gcc/i686-t2-linux-gnu/3.4.3/../../../../i686-t2-linux-gnu/bin/ld: Warning: s
20:48 < _Ragnar_> ize of symbol `__guard' changed from 4 in bin-i386/dietlibc.a(stackgap.o) to 32 in /export/t2-trunk/build/desktop-2.2.0-alpha-x86-athlon-generic/TOOLCHAIN/tools.cross/crosscc/
20:48 < _Ragnar_> ../lib/gcc/i686-t2-linux-gnu/3.4.3/libgcc.a(_stack_smash_handler.oS)
20:55 < Postal> _Ragnar_: what if i dont build dietlibc in this stage?
20:56 < _Ragnar_> ?
20:56 < _Ragnar_> dunno
20:56 < Postal> its just stage 1
20:56 < _Ragnar_> some packages seem to have the dependency on dietlibc hardcoded
20:56 < Postal> hmm
20:57 < Postal> that error seems like more of an istruction, run ranlib to add archive...?
20:57 < Postal> does dietlibc contain any libs that are not in glibc?
21:08 < _Ragnar_> dunno
21:08 < _Ragnar_> probably not
21:12 < Postal> so couldent i fake like dietlibc was there with the glibc libs?
21:12 < _Ragnar_> can try '- dietlibc' in the package selection
21:13 < Postal> well gtg pick up my sister bb in 1 hour or so are you still going to be here?
21:13 < _Ragnar_> probably
21:13 < Postal> ok cool, one other thing, does LFS use dietlibc?
21:13 < _Ragnar_> no clue
21:14 < Postal> cause if they dont use it then you dont need it.. ill check when i get backj
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21:21 < MOHCTP> bye all
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21:38 < jsaw> re
21:38 < jsaw> bootdisk target is a bit screwed... hmmm
21:39 < morfoh> jsaw: really ? my last build of it is 4 days away 
21:39 < jsaw> 5-linux26.err
21:39 < jsaw> due to missing udev
21:40 < jsaw> 5-linux24.err
21:40 < jsaw> no idea, but seems like the old modutils is missing
21:41 < jsaw> package_map misses: serpnp, embutils, hotplug++ etc...
21:41 < morfoh> jsaw: I guess it wasn't properly updated
21:41 < jsaw> since so many packages moved out of base into a more appropriate directory, the config.in selection of config.in does not fit anymore
21:42 < jsaw> ups
21:42 < jsaw> the config.in selection of packages ...
21:42 < jsaw> let's see if my corrections fix it...
21:44 < CIA-11> jsaw * r9880 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/udev.desc: * move D url to http (ftp seems not to allow anonymous anymore...?)
21:47 < jsaw> ah, it's you, jeru... gotta get used to the new nicks...
21:48 < jsaw> ;)
21:48 < morfoh> jsaw: :)
21:48 < morfoh> jsaw: so you missed just a bit ;)
21:48 < jsaw> hehe
21:49 < jsaw> morfoh: can you try ftp'ing to ftp.kernel.org
21:49 < veki> I have had pronblems also with boot target
21:49 < morfoh> yep
21:49 < jsaw> hi veki 
21:49 < veki> runit package failed 
21:49 < jsaw> veki: thanks for the image, worke
21:49 < veki> hi
21:49 < veki> :-)
21:50 < jsaw> veki: however, the overlayed - how should I call it - nebula?, is a bit noisy. Is it larger in original version?
21:50 < morfoh> hey ... did I missed a nice picture :)
21:50 < morfoh> jsaw: ftp works
21:50 < veki> yes, you can, there are many, I have sent one
21:51 < jsaw> 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection
21:51 < jsaw> Login failed.
21:51 < jsaw> <- here
21:51 < veki> yes, it i smuch bigger , but I made it smaller for E-mail transfer
21:51 < jsaw> on anonymous login
21:51 < jsaw> veki: ic
21:51 < veki> :-)
21:53 < CIA-11> jsaw * r9881 /trunk/package/base/linux26/linux26.desc: 
21:53 < CIA-11> * update linux26 (2.6.12 -> 2.6.12.1)
21:53 < CIA-11> * use http:// for D (ftp connection problems here)
21:54 < _Ragnar_> O_O
21:54 < jsaw> ?
21:54 < veki> morfoh: if you like I can send you some images that I made.  These are not .iso images they are computer generated images based on neural networks, strange attractors etc.
21:55 < morfoh> veki: yes ... that would be nice :)
21:55 < veki> Ok, greta . what is your E-mail address?
21:57 < jsaw> oh damn, wget update but not the respective dietlibc patch...
21:59 < CIA-11> jsaw * r9882 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/pkg_patch/pkg_wget.patch: 
21:59 < CIA-11> * remove dietlibc patch for wget, first it does not apply after update
21:59 < CIA-11>  and second seems not to be necessary anymore
22:05 < jsaw> _Ragnar_: the "guard" symbol problem is an old one, try googling for it (because I do not really remember how we/I solved it)
22:07 < jsaw> but afair it's due to mixing libraries compiled with a ssp and non-ssp enabled gcc
22:08 < _Ragnar_> ok
22:08 < _Ragnar_> so how do I fix it? O_O
22:12 < jsaw> which stage does it fail
22:13 < jsaw> ?
22:13 < jsaw> 1, or?
22:13 < _Ragnar_> 1
22:13 < _Ragnar_> no cross tho
22:13 < jsaw> how old is your gcc package?
22:14 < jsaw> oh, here it is I assume, in gcc.conf:
22:14 < jsaw> # libgcc should not contain the SSP symbols this is after configure, because
22:14 < jsaw> # configure transmits this to gcj which breaks due to "-D..."
22:15 < jsaw> try re-emerging gcc (wild guess though)
22:15 < _Ragnar_> I already got it to rebuild *gcc*
22:15 < jsaw> ic, you have a new gcc... hmmm
22:15 < _Ragnar_> and in stage 1 the host compiler shouldn't be used any more, or?
22:18 < jsaw> I don't know :|
22:19 < jsaw> ga
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22:20 < mnemoc> rehi
22:21 < jsaw> hi mnemoc 
22:21 < mnemoc> hi jsaw 
22:21 < mnemoc> jsaw: if you have temporal troubles with a download location use misc/share/DownloadTranslations (sed file)
22:22 < jsaw> not really temporal, it's since over a month...
22:22 < mnemoc> oh
22:22 < mnemoc> ok :)
22:23 < jsaw> morfoh: is your bootdisk target tested to boot properly?
22:23 < morfoh> yes ... it has booted asfair 
22:24 < jsaw> very strange
22:24 < jsaw> there are even more packages missing, like "file" and "pdksh", needed for linux26 (/sbin/mkinitrd)
22:24 < morfoh> unfortunately I have forgotten the CD at work 
22:25 < morfoh> jsaw: but it was not a bootdisk from trunk ... perhaps I missed sth.
22:25 < jsaw> ic, mine is HEAD/trunk
22:25 < morfoh> it was 2.1-rc1 while preparing an athlon-xp desktop iso
22:25 < jsaw> morfoh: which branch are you using?
22:26 < jsaw> oh, 2.1 should not be a problem
22:26 < veki> exit
22:26 < jsaw> but trunk moved a lot of files out of base/
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22:26 < jsaw> so that target/bootdisk/config.in does not work properly anymore.
22:26 < morfoh> oh
22:27 < mnemoc> sed on config.in is always _very_ weak
22:27 < morfoh> no QA for trunk atm ;)
22:27 < jsaw> we should have a "bootdisk" flag...
22:27 < morfoh> oh wb ... mnemoc 
22:27 < mnemoc> we need to do good categorization and define targets using categories and specific packages instead of repositories
22:28 < jsaw> right.
22:28 < jsaw> but probably not as long as the build system is bash...?
22:30 < mnemoc> desktop/gnome2/core  or desktop/* or desktop/gnome2/code desktop/gnome2/blah
22:30 < mnemoc> can be done on bash
22:30 < mnemoc> just categorizing as a tree
22:30 < jsaw> I now it can be done, only I fear the Config is already horribly slow that another "grep" adds even more time...
22:30 < jsaw> I know it...
22:31 < mnemoc> sed over packages list isn't that slow
22:32 < jsaw> where do you get the map (category <-> package) from?
22:32 < jsaw> oh
22:33 < jsaw> pressing [<<] on my brain
22:33 < jsaw> you're right
22:34 < mnemoc> :)
22:34 < mnemoc> categories are part of package lines on config/$config/packages
22:34 < jsaw> yeah, just realized ... 
22:35 < mnemoc> how is the family and the new flat?
22:36 < jsaw> I just finished renovating the old one today, so I wasn't able to enjoy the new flat that much, likewise the rest of the family is their last legs...
22:36 < jsaw> is on their last legs
22:37 < jsaw> but it's definitely way better than the old one
22:38 < mnemoc> :)
22:39 < jsaw> only one downer: it's a bit loud because the street is closer
22:39 < jsaw> but give us a few weeks and we'll not be able to tell the difference anymore
22:40 < jsaw> .oO(thank god the brain can be so easily adapted)
22:40 < mnemoc> :)
22:40 < jsaw> and you?
22:41 < mnemoc> i'll be on this small and cold house for some more years :)
22:41 < mnemoc> sit right to the watching machine
22:42 < jsaw> still...
22:42 < mnemoc> yep
22:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: watching machine ?
22:42 < jsaw> washing machine
22:43 < mnemoc> :p
22:43 < mnemoc> to wash cloaths
22:43 < jsaw> mnemoc: what's about building a lil arbor?
22:43 < jsaw> morfoh: Freudian slip, he's actually "watching" the "washing" machine...
22:43 < morfoh> jsaw: a geek arbor ?
22:44 < jsaw> yep
22:44 < mnemoc> 1.5m between the house and the street 
22:44 < morfoh> jsaw: but he will "hack" it 
22:45 < mnemoc> _small_ house
22:45 < jsaw> mnemoc: enough place to extend the house in the first floor....
22:45 < morfoh> mnemoc: damn ... 1.5m
22:45 < mnemoc> it's one floor only :)
22:45 < jsaw> mnemoc: on both sides? no garden?
22:46 < mnemoc> just on front
22:46 < morfoh> 1.5m
22:46 < mnemoc> 1.5m x 4m
22:47 < morfoh> mnemoc: so you just can dig a cave under the house 
22:48 < jsaw> I guess the tram is under the house
22:48 < morfoh> hmmm ... 
22:49 < morfoh> then mnemoc should plant a tree and building a tree house on it 
22:49 < mnemoc> :D
22:49 < morfoh> :D
22:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: so you like the idea 
22:50 < mnemoc> some day i'll get out of here
22:50 < morfoh> mnemoc: you'll ...
22:50 < jsaw> as long as we have a internet connection, even toilette would be enough to hack...
22:51 < morfoh> :D
22:51 < jsaw> .oO(damn, I'm waiting for DSL since two weeks... having serious withdrawal syndrom)
22:52 < jsaw> did I already mention, there's always something to complain about? 
22:52 < jsaw> (looking into mirror)
22:53 < jsaw> (shaking head @ myself)
22:53 < morfoh> jsaw: what ? :)
22:54 < jsaw> I just caught myself expressing complaints without real need to...
22:59 < CIA-11> amery * r9883 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/ (8 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)
22:59 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 (partially) from trunk: updated gtk+ (2.6.6 -> 2.6.7)
22:59 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 (partially) from trunk: updated gtk-engines (2.6.2 -> 2.6.3)
22:59 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 (partially) from trunk: updated gmime (2.1.13 -> 2.1.14)
22:59 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 (partially) from trunk: updated gdm (2.6.0.8 -> 2.6.0.9)
22:59 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 (partially) from trunk: updated libsoup (2.2.2 -> 2.2.3)
22:59 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 (partially) from trunk: updated gtkhtml (3.6.1 -> 3.6.2)
23:00 < valentin> rehi
23:00 < morfoh> wb valentin 
23:00 < jsaw> hi valentin 
23:00 < valentin> hi morfoh jsaw mnemoc 
23:01 < valentin> jsaw wants to hack on the toilet ?
23:01 < mnemoc> :)
23:01 < jsaw> :)
23:02 < jsaw> once I get my DSL modem with WLAN, I'll glue the (company) laptop to my belly...
23:02 < valentin> jsaw: you can visit us, at our toilet you'll have perfect wlan access
23:02 < jsaw> :D
23:03 < jsaw> *preparing to move again*
23:03 < jsaw> cu, I gotta pack my stuff
23:03  * valentin confused
23:04 < valentin> why is he moving again ?
23:04 < jsaw> I moving into your toilet now
23:04 < mnemoc> :)
23:04 < valentin> ah
23:04 < valentin> you can have the bath tub, too
23:04 < valentin> should be a bit more comfortable
23:04 < jsaw> great
23:06 < morfoh> cu jsaw 
23:09 < CIA-11> jsaw * r9884 /trunk/package/base/file/file.desc: * /sbin/mkinitrd needs "file" command, so add it to stage 3
23:19 < CIA-11> jsaw * r9885 /trunk/target/bootdisk/ (build_stage2.sh config.in): 
23:19 < CIA-11> * _partially_ fix bootdisk target, there's still a lot to tweek
23:19 < CIA-11>  due to the fact that some packages moved out of base/ so that
23:19 < CIA-11>  config.in's sed's don't do their job well anymore
23:20 < jsaw> 'nough for today, gotta go
23:20 < mnemoc> cu jsaw 
23:20 < jsaw> cu
23:22 < CIA-11> amery * r9886 /branches/2.1/package/ (12 files in 2 dirs): 
23:22 < CIA-11> * merged 8830,9372,9739 from trunk: add poppler (0.3.2)
23:22 < CIA-11> * merged 8831,9745,9740 from trunk: add evince (0.3.1)
23:31 < CIA-11> amery * r9887 /branches/2.1/package/mail/razor/razor.desc: * merged 9380 from trunk: set install dir PREFIX to an allowed top-level dir
23:34 < CIA-11> amery * r9888 /branches/2.1/package/office/ooo/ooo.desc: * merged 9637 from trunk: updated ooo (1.9-m104 -> 1.9-m108)
23:57 < CIA-11> amery * r9889 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/ (6 files in 6 dirs): 
23:57 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 from trunk: updated orbit2 (2.12.1 -> 2.12.2)
23:57 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 from trunk: updated pygtk (2.6.0 -> 2.6.1)
23:57 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 from trunk: updated gail (1.8.2 -> 1.8.3)
23:58 < CIA-11> * merged 8492 from trunk: updated libgail-gnome (1.1.0 -> 1.1.1)
23:58 < CIA-11> * merged 8492,9516 from trunk: updated gal (2.4.1 -> 2.4.3)
23:58 < CIA-11> * merged 8492,9362 from trunk: updated at-spi (1.6.2 -> 1.6.4)
23:58 < CIA-11> amery * r9890 /branches/2.1/package/gnome2/ (devhelp/devhelp.desc gdl/gdl.desc): 
23:58 < CIA-11> * merged 8970 from trunk: updated gdl (0.4.0 -> 0.5.0)
23:58 < CIA-11> * merged 8971 from trunk: updated devhelp (0.9.3 -> 0.10)
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