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01:15 < keinek> hi
03:16 < mnemoc> rxr_: i haven't seen the new src.* layout yet
04:00 < CIA-9> amery * r10100 /trunk/package/develop/bglibs/bglibs.desc: * updated bglibs (1.022 -> 1.023)
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06:26 < mnemoc> rxr_: is this solved on trunk? http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/log/1-linux26.err
06:27 < mnemoc> gn8 *
07:34 < CIA-9> msluis * r10101 /trunk/package/java/java-dirtree/java-conf.in: 
07:34 < CIA-9> * removed package self dependancy. As a result of this java
07:34 < CIA-9>  libraries (jar files) where only copied if the package was
07:34 < CIA-9>  already installed.
07:40 < CIA-9> msluis * r10102 /trunk/package/java/junit/ (. build_destination.patch junit.conf junit.desc): * added JUnit (3.8.1)
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08:55 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
08:55 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Jun 21 16:27:15 2005]
08:55 [Users #t2]
08:55 [ _Ragnar_] [ dsoul] [ nzg] [ valentin] 
08:55 [ CIA-9   ] [ jsaw ] [ rxr] 
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10:10 < rxr> re
10:15 < _Lewellyn> morning
10:15 < rxr> moin
10:16 < dsoul> morning Rene :)
10:17 < rxr> moin dsoul 
10:26 < rxr> 21 out of 28
10:29 < CIA-9> rene * r10103 /trunk/package/base/minised/ (compile.patch fixes.patch minised.desc speedup.patch): * updated minised (1.4 -> 1.5)
10:30 < rxr> even more fixes from last night ,-)
10:43 < rxr> hm - where is valentin ...
11:00 < _Lewellyn> wow. 5 digits now.
11:00  * _Lewellyn needs to pay attention more to this channel.
11:23 < rxr> hi _Lewellyn 
11:38 < _Lewellyn> how have you been?
11:51 < rxr> ouhm - much work to do in the switzerland ... ,-)
11:53 < _Lewellyn> work is good, as long as it's not too much
12:31 < rxr>   scanadf.c |  178 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++------------------------ 1 files changed, 110 insertions(+), 68 deletions(-)
12:32 < rxr> ,-) new feature ,-)
12:46 < _Lewellyn> sweet
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13:10 < karasz> a good week start for everybody
14:04 < CIA-9> chris * r10104 /trunk/package/security/libfwbuilder/libfwbuilder.desc: * updated libfwbuilder (2.0.7 -> 2.0.8)
14:05 < CIA-9> chris * r10105 /trunk/package/security/fwbuilder/fwbuilder.desc: * updated fwbuilder (2.0.7 -> 2.0.8)
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14:11 < morfoh> hi
14:41 < rxr> hi
14:57 < morfoh> rxr: I've tried to let iptiables build with dietlibc. I tried to replace i.e. u_int8_t with uint8_t because dietlibc spits out some warnings that u_int*_t shouldn't be used anymore. is that ok or should I ignore it atm.
14:58 < rxr> ehrm ...
14:58 < morfoh> rxr: there is also a DO_MULTI flag available as makeopt
14:59 < rxr> ignore those warning ...
15:02 < morfoh> ok ... thx so far ;)
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15:17 < veki> I tried to build boot, install rescue target again, but I have had the same problem with libol package, because it was not downloaded.  I downloaded it manually right now.  SHould I start ./scripts/Build-ratger -cfg boot again
16:01 < rxr> [PATCH] Apple USB Touchpad driver (
16:01 < rxr> ^- seems the latest PowerBooks become usable computers now they work under linux
16:06 < morfoh> rxr: ip_tables.h:34: error: field `src' has incomplete type <-- do you have any hints (as our dietlibc patch master) where do I've to watchout for ?
16:07 < rxr> what type is that field ?
16:11 < morfoh> how do I find it out ? I was looking into netinet/ip.h
16:15 < morfoh> rxr: sorry ... but I think I've to take some debugging lessons if you'll have more time and if you're willing to do this hard work ;)
16:25 < mnemoc> moin
16:25 < karasz> hi mnemoc
16:26 < morfoh> moin mnemoc karasz 
16:26 < karasz> another fine week starting...
16:29 < mnemoc> hi karasz, morfoh 
16:30 < mnemoc> rxr: did you see this lovely error: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/log/1-linux26.err ?
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16:32 < keinek> hi
16:32 < CIA-9> chris * r10106 /trunk/package/kde/kdissert/ (. kdissert.conf kdissert.desc): * added kdissert (1.0.1)
16:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: huge err log 
16:33 < mnemoc> Creating file list and doing final adaptions ... 
16:33 < mnemoc> Created file outside basedir: /lib/modules/2.6.10-dist/modules.alias
16:33 < mnemoc> Created (vanished) file outside basedir (ignored): /lib/modules/2.6.10-dist/modules.alias.temp
16:33 < mnemoc> Created file outside basedir: /lib/modules/2.6.10-dist/modules.ccwmap
16:33 < mnemoc> i.e. depmod on host
16:37 < rxr> I did not see those
16:37 < rxr> but our depmod is statically now - thus the flist wrapper does nto catch those anymore on my boxes
16:37 < rxr> we should rethinkg the flist creation technicque quickly to cover all possibilities precisely ..
16:40 < mnemoc> do you have any idea how i got that depmod over host on 1-linux26?
16:40 < rxr> I think some 3rd party module
16:40 < mnemoc> 'now' it's not just trunk, we have a 2.1 which we need to release asap.
16:41  * mnemoc grepping
16:41 < rxr> because I recently tested it and a quite big pkgsel and I did not got those with host depmod linked dynamically for tsting ...
16:41 < rxr> if you talk 2.1 - maybe you do not have this one bugfix I did at that time in it already
16:41 < rxr> I do not remeber which on it was :-(
16:41 < rxr> some 3rd party one - like network ...
16:42 < rxr> but I don't know for sure ...
16:47 < rxr> if the unix #! excution syntax would be more flexible one could crate self-compiling C and CC files ... ,-)
16:48 < mnemoc> :)
16:48 < mnemoc> calling make i guess
16:50 < rxr> mnemoc: I release the first minised release today ...
16:50 < mnemoc> 1.5 :)
16:50 < mnemoc> congratulations :)
16:50 < mnemoc> what esr said about?
16:50 < morfoh> rxr: did you solved thes speed problems jsaw reported ?
16:50 < morfoh> :)
16:50 < rxr> I could not really reproduce it ... :-(
16:51 < rxr> but I know some more stuff (in test cases I have not yet added to the minised repository
16:51 < rxr> but the historic minised was that broken that I wanted a sed out now - release early release often ...
16:51 < rxr> mnemoc: esr handed me the RCS history and said I'm free to continue maintaining it ...
16:51 < rxr> has anyone minux over here ?
16:54 < rxr> after a minish and miniawk I can start a minit2 ,-)
16:54 < rxr> based on dietlibc ...
16:54 < morfoh> rxr: no ... sorry no minux here
16:56 < mnemoc> rxr: it seems to be unionfs
16:56 < morfoh> rxr: http://www.star.le.ac.uk/~tjg/rc/ <-- regarding a small shell I found this some days ago 
16:57 < morfoh> rxr: 69k statically linked agains dietlibc without history support
16:57 < morfoh> rxr: about 120k with history support
16:57 < mnemoc> morfoh: i has to be 100% bourne compilant in my own
16:57 < mnemoc> it*
16:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... ok. I mentioned it just to share the link and I've never tried it yet anyway :p
16:59 < mnemoc> :)
17:01 < mnemoc> morfoh: when will you sync trac?
17:02 < mnemoc> morfoh: can wiki be restricted to logged users?
17:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess it can be restricted
17:02 < morfoh> let me take a look 
17:03 < mnemoc> i can start writting internals there, if only commiters can alter it
17:03 < morfoh> Available privileges -> WIKI_VIEW, WIKI_CREATE, WIKI_MODIFY, WIKI_DELETE, WIKI_ADMIN
17:06 < mnemoc> only WIKI_VIEW for guests please
17:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: trac-admin TRACENV permission remove anonymous WIKI_CREATE WIKI_MODIFY <--- already done
17:07 < morfoh> anonymous  WIKI_VIEW <- that's all what's left ... as requested ;)
17:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: anonymous is just able to add tickets now
17:09 < rxr> .o(tickets like p0rn there ...)
17:09 < rxr> ?
17:11 < morfoh> rxr: what p0rn tickets ?
17:12 < rxr> just joking about those violent people adding such stuff on open boards ...
17:13 < morfoh> rxr: hehe ... ic :)
17:13 < morfoh> but we've to watch a bit regarding file uploads
17:30 < mnemoc> -[D] 4208357607 validate-1.2.2 !http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/offline/validate
17:30 < mnemoc> +[D] 4208357607 validate-1.3.4.12 !http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/validator/offline/validate
17:30 < mnemoc> ^--- rxr: why did you do that change?
17:31 < mnemoc> New Revision: 9616
17:31 < mnemoc> Log: * updated validator (1.2 -> 1.3.4.12)
17:32 < rxr> mnemoc: no idea - most probably it scrolle dby in the update tracker
17:38 < morfoh> rxr: btw, do you have a quite fast duplex scanner at home ?
17:39 < rxr> oehm - in theory yes
17:39 < rxr> in practice the AV220 was recently carried to valentin and the new Xerox DocuMate 262 (or so) Avision AV220 OEM model is at susan
17:39 < rxr> why do you ask ?
17:40 < rxr> and yes - those av220 and OEM models thereof are reasonable fast
17:40 < rxr> there will be the AV220-C2 out soon - adverticed to be even faster ...
17:40 < morfoh> rxr: I want to wipe out my whole mags/articles before I'll move to the new flat
17:41 < rxr> oehm ...
17:41 < rxr> I would not scan them ...
17:41 < rxr> just my point ..
17:41 < rxr> and without OCR over those pages they are not too much fun later on ...
17:41 < morfoh> rxr: what would you do ... with the interesting ones ... cutting them out and store them in a physical archive ?
17:42 < rxr> ah - ok only the interesting ones sould ok
17:42 < rxr> sounds even
17:42 < rxr> I thought^Wfeered you would like to scan them all ...
17:42 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... my intention was not to scan the whole mags ;)
17:42 < rxr> when will you move ?
17:44 < morfoh> rxr: quite soon ... end of this month
17:45 < morfoh> rxr: but this scanning stuff isn't really important now. I'll cut down all interesting stuff and copy them on a bw copier before
17:48 < rxr> why copy ?
17:49 < rxr> yeah - I'll not be in berlin at that time ...
17:51 < morfoh> rxr: I'll just have some working copies
17:52 < rxr> working copies?
17:52 < rxr> it appears I can not follow
17:53 < morfoh> rxr: don't think about it further ... :)
17:59 < mnemoc> morfoh: 
17:59 < mnemoc> morfoh: don't forget dgav's [D]
17:59 < mnemoc> morfoh: or patch for the patch
18:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... I'll commit the patch patch this evening
18:02 < mnemoc> thanks :)
18:06 < keinek> hi
18:06 < keinek> xsane work fine in t2
18:06 < morfoh> hi keinek 
18:06 < keinek> my scanner hp work fine
18:06 < keinek> :)
18:06 < rxr> which hp ?
18:07 < keinek> HP 3400 C
18:07 < rxr> ah ... ,-)
18:07 < keinek> is the first time that i was scan with linux
18:07 < keinek> :D
18:07 < rxr> nothing working with my backend ...
18:07 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/oss/avision/
18:07 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/avisionosx/
18:07 < rxr> ,-)
18:08 < keinek> i use sanebackend :)
18:09 < rxr> yeah - my Avision driver is included in those as well ...
18:13 < mnemoc> morfoh: when www2 will be ready?
18:14 < keinek> this is perfect
18:14 < keinek> i cant believe it, xsane is fine.
18:15 < mnemoc> why can't you believe it?
18:16 < morfoh> mnemoc: this is a question I'd really like to answer ...but I still had problems with multilang support during my last tests. did it worked on your site while testing plone 2.1 ?
18:16 < mnemoc> i haven't used multilang
18:17 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/oss/minised/
18:18 < morfoh> rxr: ^ :)
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18:18 < minto> hi all
18:19 < morfoh> hi minto :9
18:19 < morfoh> :)
18:19 < rxr> moin minto 
18:19 < keinek> is working good
18:19 < keinek> if i found a photo of me
18:19 < keinek> with my first computer
18:19 < keinek> i will share with you
18:19 < keinek> :)
18:20 < morfoh> keinek: your old photo or the computer ? ;)
18:20 < keinek> boths
18:20 < keinek> the computer and me
18:20 < keinek> :)
18:20 < minto> morfoh: my amd64 iso is not working:-(
18:20 < morfoh> keinek: this could be interesting :)
18:20 < minto> It is not bootable
18:20 < morfoh> minto: what's the problem ?
18:21 < mnemoc> minto: :'(
18:21 < minto> hi mnemoc
18:21 < keinek> I will make my Antology
18:21 < morfoh> minto: did you "finished" the CD after burning it ?
18:21 < mnemoc> hi keinek 
18:22 < minto> I wonder if something is missing for building the proper iso
18:22 < keinek> hi mnemoc 
18:22 < keinek> ?
18:22 < minto> morfoh: finished???
18:22 < morfoh> minto: I mean ... I had some problems one day using a multi session CD
18:24 < minto> I think I used a single session cd. But looking on the cd isolinux is missing.
18:24 < mnemoc> morfoh: why http://trac.t2-project.org/functions?edit=yes   said 'Editing "WikiStart"'?
18:25 < mnemoc> aha... /wiki/foo
18:26 < minto> I guess I need syslinux to be emerged to my noisy system.
18:26 < mnemoc> we should solve that using 99-final package
18:27 < morfoh> mnemoc: uhm ?
18:27 < mnemoc> syslinux stuff
18:28 < rxr> and we should not use this syslinux ...
18:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've no "Editing WikiStart"
18:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: did you reload after my changes ?
18:29 < rxr> me soon off
18:29 < mnemoc> uhm?
18:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: if I'm logged in I can edit of course
18:29 < mnemoc> rxr: grub for everything?
18:30 < rxr> mnemoc: yes
18:30 < rxr> though people could use whatever they prefer
18:30 < rxr> but Grub is quite neet on a CD - look at the @Live ,-)
18:30 < mnemoc> what about floppy installer?
18:30 < rxr> those get whatever ...
18:30 < rxr> cu
18:31 < minto> cu rxr
18:31 < morfoh> mnemoc: if I browse your wiki link with firefox I'll get Permission Denied
18:31 < morfoh> This action requires WIKI_MODIFY permission. 
18:31 < morfoh> cu rxr 
18:31 < morfoh> mnemoc: so it should work
18:33 < morfoh> ok ... I'll move too ... cu later guys
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19:19 < mnemoc> rxr: if you have some minutes, i'm getting flex crashing while building 2-binutils' arflex.l -- weirdly i have no changes on flex or binutils since last reference :\
19:20 < keinek> http://www.red-handed.com.ar/cumple0001.jpg
19:20 < keinek> me in my birtday
19:21 < keinek> six years old.
19:21 < keinek> i am the most happy
19:21 < keinek> :D
19:21 < mnemoc> before your friendship with michael jckson
19:21 < keinek> down... at center
19:21 < keinek> yes... 
19:21 < keinek> hahaha
19:22 < keinek> at this moment the computer was just a SCI
19:22 < keinek> just a ficcion.
19:22 < mnemoc> :)
19:22 < keinek> the scanner working good dont you?
19:26 < karasz> re hi everybody
19:27 < karasz> wazup minto?
19:28 < karasz> hi mnemoc 
19:28 < keinek> hey!
19:28 < keinek> http://www.red-handed.com.ar/cumple6.jpg
19:28 < keinek> look my hand
19:28 < keinek> i was a little evil!!!
19:28 < keinek> absolutly i was catch in Red-Handed!
19:28 < karasz> keinek: naughty, naughty...:)
19:28 < keinek> :D
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19:39 < morfoh> re hi
19:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, how we'll handle the dgav patch patch ?
19:40 < mnemoc> copy official to /tmp, patch it and var_append the one at /tmp to patchfiles
19:41 < mnemoc> patch <patchfile> <targetfile>  syntax is helpfull
19:42 < morfoh> ok ... so same procedure as we did in vserver ...
19:43 < morfoh> mnemoc: but what syntax do you mean ?
19:43 < mnemoc> patch <patchfile> <targetfile>
19:43 < morfoh> mnemoc: syntax of what ?
19:43 < mnemoc> so your patch doesn't need to worry about the name of the target file
19:43 < mnemoc> like with patch -p1 <patchfile>
19:44 < morfoh> ok
19:45 < morfoh> mnemoc: did you "solved" the wiki issue ? is "Edit Page" displayed while not logged in ?
19:45 < mnemoc> i never said that
19:45 < mnemoc> i said that when i tried to create /functions i was editing 'WikiStart'
19:46 < morfoh> uhm ? ok! then I should learn reading again ;)
19:46 < mnemoc> yes
19:52 < keinek> hey mnemoc
19:52 < keinek> i found it.
19:53 < keinek> this is the last one.
19:53 < mnemoc> what?
19:53 < keinek> http://www.red-handed.com.ar/compu1.jpg
19:53 < keinek> me at 11 or 12 years old.
19:53 < keinek> with my first computer.
19:53 < keinek> :D
19:54 < morfoh> keinek: :D ..... good haircut 
19:54 < keinek> yes! i was got hair!
19:54 < keinek> the begining...
19:55 < keinek> i dont think about linux.
19:55 < keinek> but at this moment linux was born.
19:55 < mnemoc> http://www.red-handed.com.ar/cumple6.jpg <--- better than this haircut :)
19:56 < keinek> yes... the 80's
19:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: I like the 2nd one
19:56 < keinek> and the 90's
19:56 < keinek> the last one is 1991 or 1992 
19:56 < keinek> the first one is 1985
19:59 < mnemoc> generations: 1) geeks which knew computers at univ. 2) geeks which got home computers when they where young 3) geeks which had computers since they borned 4) children of geeks of class 3
19:59 < mnemoc> 5) children of geeks of class 4
20:00 < SerWou> hehe mnemoc 
20:00 < keinek> :)
20:01 < mnemoc> i fear class 4 and 5
20:03 < keinek> at left of monitor there are IBM Dos 3.01 
20:03 < keinek> at right a pocket video game.
20:04 < mnemoc> i got my first 8088 on 1984, with IBM DOS of course
20:05 < mnemoc> it's weird to me to see my 4 years old daughter using xfce naturally at home, and my 1 year old daughter looking at her
20:06 < keinek> :)
20:06 < minto> mnemoc: Why do you fear class 4 and 5? Because you be a granddaddy by then? :-)
20:06 < mnemoc> i wonder how jsaw's daughters relationship with computers and science is
20:07 < mnemoc> i have 2 class 4 at home
20:07 < minto> So you are class 3?
20:07 < minto> I am class 2
20:08 < mnemoc> oops, mistake on definitions :)
20:08 < mnemoc> 4) children of class 2
20:08 < mnemoc> 5) children of class 3
20:09 < minto> I have one class 2 my self. nearly 2 years and know how to switch the computer on and off :-)
20:09 < keinek> now sound better.
20:09 < minto> I meant I have a class 4 at home.
20:09 < mnemoc> yes
20:10 < mnemoc> i really fear them.... 
20:10 < morfoh> mnemoc: why ?
20:10 < mnemoc> univs are full of class 3 right now, so class 5 will arrive soon
20:10 < minto> Why did your class 4 turned of your computer as well. hehe
20:11 < mnemoc> looking at the difference between class 2 and class 3 people....
20:11 < mnemoc> and following the curve.... yuck
20:12 < morfoh> mnemoc: what is the diff from your point of view ?
20:12 < mnemoc> the simpler is the age when they start hacking....
20:13 < minto> mnemoc: If we work hard on T2 we can retire early and just smile at class 4 and 5.
20:13 < mnemoc> :D
20:13 < morfoh> mnemoc: but I think you've to take into account that class 3+ have also a different consuming behavior
20:13 < mnemoc> morfoh: tell me more
20:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: if I take a look at class 3 people I know. they are mostly consumers. using ugly software which is propagated around the world ;)
20:15 < mnemoc> yes
20:15 < mnemoc> agree with that
20:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: but ack ... there are some which are quite helpful 
20:16 < mnemoc> most class 3 people are son of computer-alergic people
20:16 < minto> Good thinking morfoh: Now all you have to do is create a few class 4 people. :-D
20:16 < morfoh> mnemoc: I think the real class 2 has some background 
20:16 < morfoh> minto: ack :D
20:16 < mnemoc> minto: hehe :)
20:17 < mnemoc> i don't fear class 3 people, i fear class 4 :)
20:17 < morfoh> .oO( I can't wait any longer ... I've to go now :)o 
20:17 < mnemoc> cu morfoh 
20:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: just joking :)
20:17 < minto> mnemoc: Try to see it different. You will be their hero.
20:18 < mnemoc> minto: do you have a second c4 planned?
20:18 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... creative class 4 can be much fun
20:19 < minto> planned yes. But unfortunately these c4 do not follow any schedules.
20:19 < mnemoc> post hippie people created us..... i wonder what are we creating
20:19 < minto> mnemoc: If I look at american it will probably be hippo's
20:21 < minto> The United State of America of course. (not South America)
20:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: posthippienerdcommunitist's
20:22 < mnemoc> minto: sure
20:23 < mnemoc> morfoh: communism has evolved a lot on the last years on the countries where it survives
20:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: I know ... and it's very good to see
20:24 < minto> Oehh, we should really fear chinese class 4 and 5
20:24 < mnemoc> c4 will live china hegemony instead of american i guess
20:24 < mnemoc> minto: full ack
20:24 < morfoh> yep
20:25 < mnemoc> i can't really imagine that world
20:25 < morfoh> mnemoc: what world ?
20:25 < minto> Then all the simple example will no longer we hello world, but ni hao
20:26 < mnemoc> morfoh: c4 at universities and china hegemony
20:27 < mnemoc> hehe
20:27 < minto> We should be prepared, let create a T2 ni hao.
20:27 < mnemoc> is utf8 enough for 'ni hao'? or we need full utf16?
20:28 < minto> Hmm, dunno - Good question.
20:29 < minto> Maybe a the next Cebit rxr can contact some chinese or taiwanese and create a Chinese live CD.
20:30 < mnemoc> that would be great
20:30 < morfoh> ack
20:31 < minto> Let's put it on Rene's todo ;-)
20:32 < mnemoc> :)
20:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, do you've some suggestions why minto's amd64 boot cd son't boot ?
20:32 < morfoh> won't
20:32 < minto> On the CD image isolinux was missing.
20:33 < morfoh> minto: the build was done without errors  right ?
20:33 < minto> Does this indicate my syslinux was missing when I CreateISO
20:33 < minto> Yepp, no errors
20:33 < mnemoc> emerge it :)
20:33 < morfoh> did you added syslinux ?
20:34 < minto> Not yet, Merlyn is sleeping now, So I have to wait until tomorrow.
20:35 < morfoh> ok
21:09 < mnemoc> morfoh: ping
21:21 < keinek> hey mnemoc
21:21 < keinek> who is keinek
21:21 < keinek> ?
21:21 < keinek> http://www.red-handed.com.ar/escuela0011.jpeg
21:22 < keinek> please... dont say "the girl"
21:22 < morfoh> keinek: that's was what I want to say :)
21:23 < keinek> who am i?
21:23 < morfoh> keinek: I guess the singer :)
21:23 < keinek> No!
21:24 < keinek> you got 1 life 
21:24 < keinek> try again!
21:24 < sepp> the girl?
21:24 < sepp> lol
21:24 < keinek> what i say at this moment...
21:24 < morfoh> hi sepp :D
21:24 < keinek> <keinek> please... dont say "the girl"
21:24 < sepp> hello
21:24 < keinek> :D
21:24 < sepp> ohh sorry
21:25 < sepp> the one with the gigantic towel around ?
21:25 < morfoh> no the the beatnik at the left :)
21:25 < keinek> i am the guy with the newspaper.
21:26 < keinek> :)
21:26 < keinek> i thinks... that i was... 8 years old.
21:26 < keinek> thanks to xsane... you can see that.
21:26 < keinek> that work fine!
21:26 < keinek> really fine!
21:26 < keinek> :)
21:27 < morfoh> keinek: I knew that the media in argentina is headed by mafiosi :)
21:27 < sepp> and it is in colour
21:27 < keinek> the mafia?
21:37 < keinek> Mmmm
21:37 < keinek> i need some help.
21:38 < keinek> i need some program like windows movie maker
21:38 < keinek> for capture video.
21:38 < keinek> in real time.
21:38 < sepp> ohh compu1.jpg is interesting - computher with no mouse
21:38 < keinek> yes... i dont have mouse.
21:38 < keinek> the mouse arribe two years later.
21:38 < keinek> :)
21:39 < sepp> http://sourceforge.net/projects/xvidcap
21:40 < keinek> Mmmm that sounds good
21:40 < keinek> let me see
21:40 < keinek> two years ago i use cinelerra
21:40 < keinek> but is too big.
21:41 < sepp> i used xvidcap one time ...
21:42 < keinek> is on t2?
21:42 < keinek> in stable no.
21:43 < sepp> no
21:44 < CIA-9> chris * r10107 /trunk/package/python/itools/itools.desc: * updated itools (0.9.1 -> 0.9.2)
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22:21 < CIA-9> msluis * r10108 /trunk/package/java/ (java-dirtree/zip-extract.conf junit/junit.conf): 
22:21 < CIA-9> * Moved the zip extraction to a central place to be reused. In
22:21 < CIA-9>  future this code should be merged with the current auto extraction
22:21 < CIA-9>  code. However the existing todo's should first be resolved.
22:21 < CIA-9> * See trac issue #21 for additional information.
22:23 < valentin> hi
22:23 < minto> hi valentin
22:23 < minto> and?
22:23 < valentin> Janna Kathleen Bening, 3150g, 51 cm
22:23 < minto> congratulations
22:24 < minto> Ohh wat leuk
22:24 < valentin> after almost 35h of work
22:24 < valentin> in fact, kerstin had to do the hard work
22:24 < morfoh> valentin: :D congratulations
22:24 < minto> ^ this is what my wife just said. It means: Ohh how nice.
22:24 < valentin> thank you
22:25 < morfoh> but 3.150g isn't that bad ;)
22:25 < minto> Why did it take so long?
22:25 < valentin> its good
22:25 < valentin> minto: mom, i will look up some terms in english to give a report on that :)
22:25 < minto> Kerstin must be exhausted.
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22:26 < morfoh> when did it start ?
22:26 < valentin> minto: she is, but otherwise she is fine
22:26 < minto> A new class 4
22:26 < morfoh> hehe :D
22:26 < valentin> the amniotic sac bursted at 6:20 on Sunday morning
22:27 < morfoh> oh!
22:27 < valentin> the bad thing is, we went to sleep on 3:00
22:27 < valentin> so Kerstin and I had just a bit more than 3h sleep
22:27 < minto> She wet the bed???
22:28 < valentin> the childs head was not fully attached to the pelves
22:28 < minto> valentin: Now you may open the present.
22:28 < sepp> congratulation ;)
22:28 < valentin> so we needed to call the emergency to transport her into hospital in a lying position
22:29 < valentin> minto: i will take the present into clinic tomorow
22:29 < valentin> so we open together
22:29 < minto> :-)
22:29 < CIA-9> msluis * r10109 /trunk/package/java/jms-spec/ (. jms-spec.conf jms-spec.desc): * added jms-spec (1.1) Java Mesage Service specification.
22:29 < valentin> we were in hospital around 9:00
22:30 < valentin> but kerstin still had no labours
22:30 < valentin> and they slowly came through the day
22:30 < valentin> at 20:00 the labours were still so weak, that she was send to sleep into station, with a CTG every 2h
22:31 < valentin> for i could not stay in her room over night, we decided that i should drive home and try to sleep some hours until situation changes
22:31 < valentin> i went to sleep around 21:00
22:32 < valentin> and at 3:15 the midwive phoned and ordered me back for 5:00
22:33 < valentin> when i arived in hospital at that time on Sun morning, K. had quite a breakdown for she couldnt sleep and relax all night
22:33 < valentin> and remember she did not realy sleep the night before
22:33 < valentin> so after some discussion with the doctor we decided to try PDA so she could relax some more hours
22:35 < valentin> the anaesthesiologist had the cannula half way in Kerstins spine when there was sudden emergency in the labour room next door
22:36 < valentin> they had to do an emergency caesarian there, so the anaesthesiologist had to leave within a splitsecond
22:36 < valentin> and K sat around with this f*ck*ng needle in the back for half an hour
22:37 < valentin> finaly they got the PDA working then
22:37 < CIA-9> sebastian * r10110 /trunk/package/multimedia/xvidcap/ (. xvidcap.cache xvidcap.conf xvidcap.desc): * added xvidcap (1.1.3-p7)
22:37 < minto> Quite a story.
22:37 < minto> How are mommy and Janna doing now?
22:37 < sepp> keinek: now t2 has xvidcap ;)
22:39 < valentin> minto: let me finish the story :)
22:39 < keinek> yes?
22:40 < keinek> wuau!
22:40 < keinek> and work fine?
22:40 < valentin> so PDA worked and K started to relax for a while but the process of birth incredibly slowed down
22:40 < sepp> keinek: yes i made a small "movie" ...
22:41 < valentin> they had to give her some medicine to strenghten the labours, but at 15:00 our daughter still was just half way through
22:41 < sepp> what is PDA?
22:41 < keinek> yahoo mail is a great place for save things
22:41 < keinek> :)
22:42 < keinek> ok i update de xmame package
22:42 < valentin> so kerstin was brave and we decided to turn it off (turning of PDA again is quite exhausting because pain returns but the body stays down)
22:42 < keinek> :)
22:44 < valentin> sepp: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periduralanästhesie -> they put a cannula into your spine area and inject a pain killer there
22:45 < valentin> this allows for disabling pain in very specific parts of the body
22:46 < valentin> with PDA turned off again and labour-infusion-needle in the arm the child was finaly born in just 45 minutes
22:46 < sepp> ahh ic i just had a very different idea what a pda is ...
22:47 < valentin> me too :)
22:47 < valentin> ok, i learned it about two month ago
22:48 < veki> so, Isuppose that at the end everything is OK
22:48 < valentin> yes, the child is, and K too except that she cannot stand up now
22:50 < minto> She better keep her rest for a while
22:50 < veki> SO , she will recover, maybe slowly but surely.  That is exhausting .  A good freind of mine is gyneacologist and he syas that it is very exhausting
22:50 < minto> Do you also have 'beschuit met muisjes'?
22:51 < minto> It is a dutch habit. 
22:51 < valentin> minto: sorry ?
22:51 < valentin> veki: of course she will recover :)
22:51 < minto> beschuit = zwieback (or something like that)
22:51 < valentin> ag
22:51 < valentin> ah
22:51 < minto> muisjes = mice
22:52 < valentin> you eate mice ?
22:52 < morfoh> minto: :D
22:52 < minto> Not real ones.
22:52 < minto> pink and white for girl, blue and white for boys.
22:52 < veki> ah, yes, it is needed to be patient, its is sometimes slow process , but fresh fruits, vitamines, mineral water :-)
22:53 < morfoh> hmmmm ... and today "Le Chef" recommends "muisjes on beschuit"
22:53 < minto> morfoh: for all of us.
22:53 < morfoh> yippi :)
22:53 < valentin> hm
22:53 < minto> I will see if I can find a picture some where.
22:54 < minto> valenting is buying. 
22:54 < valentin> i took some photos today, but with an oldstyle camera. tomorow i will take digital ones, so you can take a look :)
22:54 < minto> try google for "beschuit met muisjes"
22:54 < valentin> minto: ok, if they are not too expensive
22:55 < minto> No they are not
22:55 < minto> Google should come straight with a picture.
22:56 < valentin> one thing i learned today. in the past i held some new-borns in my arms, but it does not compare to the total bliss of holding your own child
22:57 < minto> http://members.chello.nl/prhall/Beschuit_met_muisjes.jpg
22:57 < morfoh> minto: http://www.thehollandring.com/food/food-muisjes.htm
22:57 < minto> Do I hear a proud father talking?
22:57 < morfoh> minto:  of course he is :)
22:58 < valentin> minto: yeah.
22:58 < veki> Tht is great!!
22:58 < minto> :-)
22:58 < veki> :-)
22:58 < morfoh> :)
22:58 < valentin> i need to finish soon, because i am a bit exhausted too and i want to get up early tomorow
22:59 < valentin> minto: some place where i can put online-orders for muisjes ?
22:59 < minto> Give me you address and I will send you some.
22:59 < veki> :-)
23:03 < minto> I am off to bed now. Sweet dreams valentin and everyone else too.
23:03 < veki> I have done Emerge-Pkg xpdf and it wa sbuitl OK, but when i start xpdf I got th efollowing output:
23:03 < morfoh> sleep well minto :)
23:03 < veki> Script started on Mon Jul 11 20:49:23 2005
23:03 < veki> bash-3.00# xpdf
23:03 < veki> Error: No display font for 'Courier'
23:03 < veki> Error: No display font for 'Courier-Bold'
23:03 < veki> Error: No display font for 'Courier-BoldOblique'
23:03 < veki> Error: No display font for 'Courier-Oblique'
23:03 < veki> Error: No display font for 'Helvetica'
23:03 < veki> Error: No display font for 'Helvetica-Bold'
23:03 < veki> Error: No display font for 'Helvetica-BoldOblique'
23:03 < veki> Error: No display font for 'Helvetica-Oblique'
23:03 < veki> Error: No display font for 'Symbol'
23:03 < veki> Error: No display font for 'Times-Bold'
23:03 < veki> Error: No display font for 'Times-BoldItalic'
23:03 < veki> Error: No display font for 'Times-Italic'
23:03 < veki> Error: No display font for 'Times-Roman'
23:03 < veki> Error: No display font for 'ZapfDingbats'
23:03 < veki> Error: Can't open display: 
23:03 < veki> bash-3.00# exit
23:04 < veki> exit
23:04 < veki> Script done on Mon Jul 11 20:49:27 2005
23:04 < valentin> Can't open display ?
23:04 < valentin> so you are not within X ?
23:04 < morfoh> veki: I guess you're root inside a xterm
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23:04 < veki> hm, I closed that console window in Window maker and started again and xpdf was up.  OK. I dunno atm why it could not openeded display
23:04 < sepp> you started it as root wirh su -l or so?
23:05 < veki> I was su veki
23:05 < veki> now it starts with root and with veki user. Hm, I do nto know why it could not open display?
23:06 < veki> Maybe it needed in a wya to intialize display or so 
23:07 < veki> hm, when it succeded it said at the end of intializing fonts the following Warning:Attempt top remove nonexisten passive grab
23:08 < mnemoc> that xpdf thing is classical
23:08 < valentin> hi mnemoc 
23:08 < mnemoc> on /etc/xpdfrc add X11's fontDir
23:08 < mnemoc> hi valentin 
23:08 < valentin> so, i grab some food and than into bed
23:08 < mnemoc> export DISPLAY=:0.0 is also usefull :)
23:10 < veki> OK, it seems to me that something wioth gtk is not OK or it needs some tweaking, because when I want to choose some files to be openned open dialog is somehow disproportional
23:10 < morfoh> valentin: good night daddy .... sleep well
23:11 < valentin> thanks morfoh 
23:11 < morfoh> valentin: and have a nice time tomorrow :)
23:12 < veki> good night
23:17 < mnemoc> valentin: are you 2.5 or 3?
23:17 < mnemoc> 2.99*
23:17 < veki> :-)
23:18 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw way what are class ranges ?
23:19 < mnemoc> ranges?
23:20 < mnemoc> she is a class 4 under the previous definitions
23:20 < madtux> 0_o
23:20 < morfoh> yes .... the age 
23:20 < mnemoc> hi valentin 
23:21 < morfoh> hi madtux 
23:21 < mnemoc> class 4 are children of class 2 parents
23:21 < madtux> hey kids
23:21 < madtux> ;)
23:21 < mnemoc> hi codetux
23:21 < sepp> so class 4 are apple users?
23:22 < mnemoc> o_O
23:22 < keinek> no
23:22 < mnemoc> 1) geeks which knew computers at university
23:22 < valentin> mnemoc: read scrollback
23:22 < mnemoc> 2) geeks which knew computers on their youth
23:22 < mnemoc> valentin: ok
23:22 < keinek> meanbe class 2
23:23 < mnemoc> valentin: :D
23:23 < mnemoc> valentin: and what are you doing plugged here?
23:23 < mnemoc> 3) geeks which born with a computer at home
23:24 < mnemoc> 4) children of class 2 parents
23:24 < sepp> hmmm at least in gdr there was no 3)
23:24 < mnemoc> 5) children of class 3 parent
23:25 < mnemoc> sepp: yet
23:26 < mnemoc> sepp: here, there are c3 at university
23:26 < valentin> mnemoc: i just wanted to inform you before going to bed
23:26 < valentin> gn8
23:27 < veki> good night
23:27 < sepp> mnemoc: in the gdr i got the 1st "computer" 1986
23:27 < mnemoc> valentin: gn8 happy valentin, greetings to kerstin!
23:27 < sepp> and this was a miracle
23:27 < mnemoc> sepp: i got an 8088 on 1984
23:28 < sepp> wow
23:29 < mnemoc> gdr-c3 people _can_ be finishing school by now
23:31 < sepp> hmm yes
23:31 < mnemoc> sepp: what was your first 'computer'?
23:31 < morfoh> sepp: KC*
23:31 < sepp> a z80 imported from the "west"
23:32 < sepp> but the 1st real used thing was a amiga
23:32 < morfoh> ah! ic
23:33 < sepp> 1990 or so
23:34 < sepp> but i had fun kicking kc tapes too
23:35 < morfoh> sepp: I used some KC's at school, some CPM based Systems (forgot the name) and the C64 from my brother till 1989 think
23:35 < sepp> lol i "learned" edlin @ school
23:36 < morfoh> after that I invested my whole money buying a 286 :)
23:36 < sepp> you know the dos editor that turns vi into a superb thing
23:36 < mnemoc> _my_ first computer was also a 286
23:36 < sepp> i prefered amigas that time
23:37 < mnemoc> amiga=girlfriend :p
23:37 < sepp> yes i know
23:37 < morfoh> sepp: I can imagine ... multimedia ;)
23:38 < sepp> hehe real3d on amiga was interesting
23:43 < sepp> i will go and drean of the 'amiga' now ;)
23:43 < sepp> good night
23:44 < mnemoc> :)
23:44 < mnemoc> gn8 sepp 
23:44 < sepp> "guru meditation
23:44 < sepp> "
23:44 < sepp> night ...
23:54 < _Ragnar_> re
23:56 < morfoh> good night sepp 
23:57 < morfoh> wb Ragnar  
23:57 < _Ragnar_> thanks
23:57 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: hi
23:57 < veki> hi
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