--- Log opened Tue Jul 12 00:00:00 2005
00:25 < veki> Is there anyone around?
00:25 < mnemoc> yes
00:26 < veki> I treid to Emerge-Pkg gtoaster and I am reported that gtk package is missing
00:26 < veki> I tried to Emerge-pkg gtk but I was prompted that there is no package scheduled
00:26 < veki> does it have any special name?
00:26 < mnemoc> gtk+
00:26 < veki> OK, I will try now
00:26 < mnemoc> use the correct package names :)
00:27 < mnemoc> echo package/*/*foo*
00:27 < _Ragnar_> try gtk+
00:27 < _Ragnar_> ah sorry
00:27 < veki> hm, yes, I tried GTk+ since it was mentioned that Gtk+ was missing.  So capital G confused me.
00:29 < veki> thanks
00:30 < veki> It seems to me that I am not going to sleep this night so I will maybe still bother you with various building process questions :-)
00:30 < veki> I am sorry that we are not sitting together and drinking beer :-)
00:30 < morfoh> veki: package names within t2 are in lower case anyway afaik
00:30 < veki> OK, thanks, good to know
00:32 < veki> maybe that is problem why my xpdf look a bit strange.  It firstly complained that there is not gtk and then stood up nicely, though open dialogue looked with disproportionalparts
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00:51 < veki> hi
00:51 < veki> you are not sleepy?
00:52 < veki> sepp: welcome again in society of owls :-)
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04:11 < keinek> hi
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12:35 < morfoh> moin
12:53 < madtux> hi ho
12:56 < morfoh> hi madtux 
13:01 < morfoh> mike... one of my current works is to build an embedded firewall target using uclibc. What do you think about "bundling" the development team of the network/security related targets to maintain a more modular router/firewall target ?
13:15 < CIA-9> chris * r10111 /trunk/package/security/libnids/libnids.desc: * updated libnids (1.18 -> 1.20)
13:30 < CIA-9> chris * r10112 /trunk/package/network/tcpdump/ (gcc34.patch tcpdump.desc): 
13:30 < CIA-9> * updated tcpdump (3.8.3 -> 3.9.1)
13:30 < CIA-9> * removed gcc34.patch
13:33 < CIA-9> chris * r10113 /trunk/package/network/tcpdump/tcpdump.desc: * updated tcpdump (3.9.1 -> 3.9.2)
13:39 < CIA-9> chris * r10114 /trunk/package/base/libpcap/libpcap.desc: * updated libpcap (0.9.1 -> 0.9.2)
13:47 < CIA-9> chris * r10115 /trunk/package/network/neon/neon.desc: * updated neon (0.24.7 -> 0.25.0)
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13:50 < karasz> hi guys
13:50 < CIA-9> chris * r10116 /trunk/package/network/neon/neon.desc: * updated neon (0.25.0 -> 0.25.1)
13:50 < morfoh> hi karasz 
13:51 < karasz> hi morfoh 
13:53 < CIA-9> chris * r10117 /trunk/package/network/neon/neon.desc: * updated neon (0.25.1 -> 0.25.2)
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14:16 < madtux> morfoh, tell me more... 
14:19 < morfoh> madtux: because you're maintaining the router target and selinux and me grsec and the upcoming firewall target it would be quite nice to merge the targets and enhancing the flexibility.
14:20 < morfoh> to build a more sophisticated firewall/router target
14:20 < madtux> i like the idea...
14:20 < morfoh> :)
14:20 < madtux> the router was pretty cool in the begining now i believe it needs a whole recoding
14:21 < madtux> and i guess we could come up with something
14:21 < morfoh> madtux: yes ... I think the embedded target will be a good base for it
14:22 < morfoh> and later on we could use mnemoc's nested target concept with embedded too
14:23 < CIA-9> chris * r10118 /trunk/package/develop/subversion/subversion.conf: * added support for ruby bindings
14:24 < morfoh> madtux: atm, my fw target has bridging firewall, vlan and IPSec support (StrongSwan)
14:24 < morfoh> madtux: optionally I plan the integration of snort/prelude-ids support too
14:28 < rxr_> re
14:28 -!- You're now known as rxr
14:28 < morfoh> rxr: hi 
14:35 < valentin> hi rxr
14:36 < morfoh> hi valentin ... how are your girls ? :)
14:36 < rxr> hi father valentin 
14:36 < valentin> thanks
14:36 < valentin> rxr: read scrollback from 22:23 :)
14:36 < valentin> morfoh: quite nice and healthy
14:36 < rxr> I saw some bits - but I can not scroolback since I have to work
14:37 < rxr> but congratulations to you three then ,-)
14:37 < valentin> i am just here for some more minutes and then off again
14:37 < morfoh> valentin: good to hear after your story :)
14:38 < valentin> morfoh: there was never an emergency on our side, so cool down :)
14:39 < rxr> I also find it quite horrific what I read diagonal
14:42 < valentin> it was just very long and very exthausting and it could have been better. births are allways a bit horrific and more or less painfull for the woman. It could have been better for us and esp. Kerstin, but as long as everybody is ok now one can easily forget about that. :)
14:43 < morfoh> valentin: :)
14:45 < rxr> ic
14:45 < rxr> valentin: btw. greetings also from susan
14:48 < morfoh> oO(sf.net is back)o
14:51 < valentin> thanks
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15:04  * rxr is doing the real livecd integration work now
15:04 < rxr> but in form of a target called archivista
15:04 < rxr> (scan server)
15:05 < rxr> someone could move those bits into the livecd target when I'm in holiday then
15:05 < morfoh> rxr: :)
15:05 < morfoh> rxr: I can try it ;)
15:06 < morfoh> rxr: will it be that much ?
15:07 < rxr> nope
15:07 < rxr> but I have not time to do livecd firs
15:09 < morfoh> rxr: no prob ... as you said one day. payed work has a higher prio 
15:10 < morfoh> has anyone tested apache after an upgrade of apr and apr-utils ?
15:11 < rxr> oehm 
15:11 < rxr> update ?
15:11 < rxr> to what ?
15:11 < rxr> 1.1 ?
15:11 < morfoh> yes
15:13 < rxr> oehm this is nto suppost to work IIRC
15:13 < rxr> current apache and subversion need apr 0.9.x IIRC
15:14 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... then I'll skip
15:16 < rxr> I add the live boot splash to the grub folder ok ?
15:16 < morfoh> ack
15:18 < rxr> ok
15:21 < CIA-9> rene * r10119 /trunk/target/generic/preconfig.in: 
15:21 < CIA-9> * improved the generic target definition to always stay as top entry
15:21 < CIA-9>  in the target selection (since we soon will have a new target
15:21 < CIA-9>  starting with a that I do not want to have in the first row)
15:29 < rxr> nobody smiling ?
15:30 < morfoh> :)
15:32 < morfoh> rxr: how do we want to proceed regarding the livecd merges ? will you create "a" target branch ? 
15:34 < rxr> no I just start injecting it into trunk right now
15:34 < morfoh> rxr: ok
15:36 < keinek> morning
15:37 < morfoh> hi keinek 
15:37 < keinek> yesterday i have a good idea.
15:37 < keinek> i have a notebook.
15:37 < keinek> a old notebook
15:37 < CIA-9> rene * r10120 /trunk/target/archivista/ (12 files in 2 dirs): 
15:37 < CIA-9> * added new target: archivista - Archivista (GmbH Switzerland) Scan
15:37 < CIA-9>  Box (and LiveCD) - the uniteresting basics - LiveCD bits will follow
15:37 < CIA-9>  later on
15:37 < keinek> but is a pentium 166
15:37 < keinek> dont have cdrom
15:37 < keinek> dont have ethernet
15:37 < rxr> morfoh: those are just the basic defines
15:37 < keinek> only floppy
15:37 < rxr> morfoh: I notify you when all the livecd bits are in it ...
15:38 < keinek> i cant install linux.
15:38 < keinek> but now i can
15:38 < keinek> I will use NORTON GHOST to copy a T2 Linux System to my old notebook with a LAPLINK
15:39 < keinek> by the lpt1 port
15:39 < keinek> now i compile t2 for that notebook
15:39 < keinek> what windows manager must include in that target?
15:40 < keinek> is a pentium 166 with 32 megas.
15:40 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... just drop me a note
15:40 < keinek> i think fvwm work fine... but i dont know.
15:40 < morfoh> keinek: you should use a small one i.e. you could try fluxbox 
15:41 < keinek> thanks morfoh
15:41 < keinek> :)
15:41 < rxr> fwvm is small, too ,-)
15:41 < rxr> or maybe you want to check twm out ... *g*
15:43 < keinek> if all work fine... i will have T2 IN MY OLD NOTEBOOK!!!
15:44 < keinek> i will make a "how" is all is fine.
15:44 < keinek> another question.
15:44 < keinek> plip is ready en t2?
15:49 < keinek> i like fluxbox
15:49 < keinek> :)
15:50 < morfoh> keinek: yes ... flux is quite nice :)
15:51 < keinek> ok... target is compiling... with flux
15:56 < rxr> morfoh: I think I'll even commit some stuff into the livecd and source them from the archivista target ...
15:56 < rxr> so less to polish up to get the vanilla live working ...
16:19 < keinek> was apply the patch to xmame?
16:24 < rxr> keinek: I do not know right now
16:25 < madtux> I do not know what you guys are talking about (yet)... but i'll tell ya something... Keinek god damn it u ask too many questions
16:26 < madtux> jk
16:26 < madtux> :)
16:26 < madtux> time for me to sleep... tty later.
16:28 < morfoh> cu madtux 
16:28 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... even better :)
16:37 < keinek> madtux, :)
16:37 < keinek> when i learn more english i will make more question.
16:37 < keinek> ;)
16:41 < CIA-9> rene * r10121 /trunk/target/livecd/build_initrd.sh: * special live initrd creation
16:42 < CIA-9> rene * r10122 /trunk/target/livecd/ (build_initrd.sh init init2): 
16:42 < CIA-9> * live cd bootup associated special init script and made those
16:42 < CIA-9>  file not target dependant but to copy from the livecd target
16:42 < CIA-9>  dir for now
16:46 < rxr> HP setzt auf Single-Ink
16:46 < rxr> Neue Drucker mit Einzelfarbtanks, Permanent-Druckk??pfen und Tintenzuf? 1/4 hrung ? 1/4 ber ein Schlauchsystem sollen f? 1/4 r HP verlorenes Terrain beim Fotodruck zur? 1/4 ckerobern
16:46 < rxr> ^- sounds like my modified epson 600 at home ...
16:46 < rxr> though it got replaced with a color laser these days ...
16:47 < rxr> PHP 4.4.0
16:47 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... HP lost a lot of former printer customers due to their strange "strategy"
16:59 < rxr> they have a strategy ?
17:00 < morfoh> rxr: that's why I used "strategy" ;)
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17:11 < mnemoc_> valentin: does she have a name today? :)
17:11 < mnemoc_> hi rxr
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17:39 < minto> hi all
17:46 < rxr> mnemoc_: hehe - yeah the secret naming thingi ...
17:46 < rxr> already forgot to ask about that ...
17:48 < mnemoc_> hi minto 
17:48 < mnemoc_> rxr: he promised to say her name after her 'arrival'
17:48 < minto> hi mnemoc, have you heard? there is a new class 4 around
17:49 < minto> mnemoc_: He did, yesterday
17:49 < mnemoc_> yeah, but she doesn't have a name :(
17:49 < minto> she does, look at yesterdays log.
17:49 < minto> search for Janna
17:50 < minto> and you will get the full name.
17:50 < mnemoc_> aha
17:51 < mnemoc_> <valentin> Janna Kathleen Bening, 3150g, 51 cm
17:51 < mnemoc_> nice name
17:57 < minto> Does anyone know a good tool for automatically syncing some directories on multiple computers?
17:59 < mnemoc_> rsync?
18:00 < minto> maybe. But how do automatically sync stuff
18:01 < mnemoc_> cron + sh script :)
18:02 < minto> Is it possible to start syncing when the network comes up?
18:02 < mnemoc_> .oO
18:04 < minto> I want to sync  t2 download directory and t2 trunks on my laptop and both servers
18:04 < dsoul> unison
18:05 < minto> let's have a look
18:05 < minto> http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/
18:05 < dsoul> you could also use nfs or alike
18:07 < minto> nfs for syncing?
18:08 < dsoul> for sharing
18:12 < mnemoc_> is unison as cool as it seems to be?
18:12 < minto> I need syncing not sharing. I will have a detailed look at unison. thanks
18:17 < dsoul> mnemoc_: yes :)
18:18 < dsoul> has a lot of features and it's very stable
18:19 < dsoul> there is also fex 
18:22 < mnemoc_> i'll give it a try :)
18:23  * minto too
18:23 < dsoul> fex seems to be the fastest becouse of inotify/dnotify
18:26 < karasz> hi minto , mnemoc +others
18:28 < karasz> mnemoc_: if you manage to create the new pmmx iso, you will post it on the t2 site?
18:28 < mnemoc_> when rc2 get released i'll announce it
18:29 < mnemoc_> but i'm having big troubles with 2-binutils.... no idea why
18:29 < karasz> hmmm...
18:29 < karasz> how big
18:29 < karasz> ?
18:30 < mnemoc_> just a crashing flex
18:30 < karasz> I almost asked you what kind of troubles...
18:30 < minto> hi karasz
18:31 < karasz> hi minto 
18:39 < CIA-9> rene * r10123 /trunk/scripts/Build-Target: 
18:39 < CIA-9> * changed "Mo errors found" to "None found" for the outdated
18:39 < CIA-9>  files search at the end of build target - better look for business
18:39 < CIA-9>  users
18:41 < mnemoc_> rxr: did you fix a problem building libpng on diet/embedded at trunk?
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18:43 < morfoh> re hi
18:44 < CIA-9> rene * r10124 /trunk/target/livecd/menu.lst: * added menu.lst "header" for the livecd
18:44 < rxr> oehm no
18:44 < rxr> but it might indeed fail - I heared s.th. like that
18:46 < rxr> hm  the last commit wasn't too good ... damn
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19:36 < CIA-9> rene * r10125 /trunk/target/generic/build.sh: * fixed line-line idention of generic/build.sh
19:41 < keinek> hi
19:41 < keinek> i back
19:41 < keinek> :)
19:44 < morfoh> rxr: is this an typical issue while trying to make dietlibc ready  ? -> error: parse error before "u_char" 
19:46 < valentin> re
19:46 < morfoh> wb daddy :)
19:47 < valentin> thanks
19:47 < valentin> i have pictures on a digicam, i just need to find out how to copy them to disk
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19:48 < morfoh> hi mnemoc
19:49 < mnemoc> hi janna's father, hi morfoh 
19:50 < valentin> hi raphaela's (?) father
19:50 < morfoh> vctoria
19:50 < morfoh> victoria ?
19:50 < mnemoc> rafaella and victoria :)
19:51 < morfoh> this was a distributed brain in action :)
19:52 < valentin> yeah
19:52 < mnemoc> :)
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20:04 < rxr> hi valentin 
20:04 < CIA-9> rene * r10126 /trunk/scripts/Create-ISO: 
20:04 < CIA-9> * fixed Create-ISO argument parsing to error out as expected if too
20:04 < CIA-9>  few arguments (e.g. no configuration) is specified (confused even
20:04 < CIA-9>  me a few minutes ago ...)
20:04 < rxr> valentin: how is you familly
20:04 < rxr> hi all you daddies ...
20:06 < valentin> rxr: thanks, we are great.
20:06 < valentin> i just downscale some images for you
20:07 < valentin> rxr: can you give me your image-gallery script or should i quick-hack an own one ?
20:08 < valentin> or i do that later
20:08 < rxr> oehm
20:08 < rxr> they are quick and dirty
20:08 < rxr> and every time I use them I have to look into them how they have been intended to work 
20:08 < rxr> they are on gsmp.tfh-berlin.de
20:08 < rxr> you have the roo passwd
20:08 < rxr> in /home/public/rene
20:08 < rxr> Create* 
20:08 < rxr> IIRC
20:09 < rxr> you must call the gallery creator with an escaped wildcard like
20:09 < rxr> ./Create-Gallery or so with "*.JPG"
20:09 < rxr> since it does need to do the expansion itself ...
20:10 < rxr> maybe look into them before you run them
20:10 < rxr> and do as normal user so they do not accidently eay your system
20:10 < rxr> (with such quick hacks you never know ...)
20:10 < valentin> hm, i have to sort out the pictures anyway. some of them are "very good friends and family"-only, other ones are open to public :)
20:10 < valentin> so i just upload some of them manualy :) so you can take a look
20:11 < sepp_> hi *
20:12 < valentin> hi
20:12 < morfoh> hi sepp_ 
20:13 < sepp_> hi valentin, morfoh 
20:15 < rxr> upload to?
20:15 < rxr> exactcode.de/valentin ?
20:15 < morfoh> hehe ... I think I've fixed radiusclient-ng to build with dietlibc :)
20:15 < mnemoc> do you use imagemagick for that?
20:16 < rxr> zes
20:16 < rxr> yes even
20:23 < CIA-9> rene * r10127 /trunk/package/x86/grub/grub.conf: * install the T2 grub theme into /boot/ not into the grub sub-folder
20:25 < CIA-9> rene * r10128 /trunk/target/livecd/ (build.sh build_initrd.sh): 
20:25 < CIA-9> * quickhacked more live cd image creation (needs x86 factorization)
20:25 < CIA-9>  (I mentioned I need to rush a image out ...)
20:25 < rxr> an even - damnit
20:29 < valentin> damn, sysreq'ed my ibook down again
20:29 < valentin> i need to find out what sysreq is here
20:32 < rxr> haha ...
20:33 < valentin> http://exactcode.de/valentin/janna/
20:33 < rxr> ok - first T2 Build-Target / Create-ISO built Live up - though not yet booting withotu image ...
20:33 < morfoh> valentin: :)
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20:35 < morfoh> valentin: looks quite relaxed your little girl :) <-- http://exactcode.de/valentin/janna/janna7.jpg
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20:39 < CIA-9> rene * r10129 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * added the recent dietlibc package selection to the desktop target
20:39 < CIA-9> rene * r10130 /trunk/target/archivista/ (build.sh build_image.sh pkgsel): * archivista updates - work in progress backup
20:40 < rxr> so now you also have the next cute girl in the house ...
20:40 < rxr> tough well - not yet in the house ... ;-)
20:40 < mnemoc> 3 days?
20:41 < valentin> mnemoc: the pictures ? or the date they come home ?
20:41 < mnemoc> the date they go home
20:42 < valentin> as it seems today they will come home on thu
20:42 < mnemoc> janna looks very orange.. is keistin redhead?
20:42 < valentin> ouhm, no
20:42 < valentin> she is blonde i am brown
20:43 < valentin> maybe this mixes to red ?
20:43 < mnemoc> :)
20:43 < mnemoc> do you see her red too?
20:44 < valentin> maybe it is the cam
20:45 < mnemoc> :)
20:45 < valentin> http://exactcode.de/valentin/janna/janna6.jpg
20:45 < valentin> there you can see us all
20:47 < mnemoc> aha
20:48 < morfoh> I think the cam is a bit "too red"
20:48 < valentin> our skin looks a bit redish on that photographs indeed
20:48 < valentin> maybe it is just the ambient light in that room ?
20:49 < mnemoc> even you are a bit red :)
20:50 < valentin> i wonder where the cam knows the layout direction from ...
20:53 < valentin> maybe it has a sensor to detect vertical pictures ?
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20:58 < rxr> valentin: yes - some have this
20:59 < rxr> ... kind of sensoe
20:59 < rxr> sensor
20:59 < rxr> what model is it ?
20:59 < valentin> a kodak dx4530
21:04 < valentin> so, i will stay in the background now. have to make some food and get some stuff done
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21:05 < CIA-9> rene * r10131 /trunk/target/livecd/ (init init2): 
21:05 < CIA-9> * simplified livecd overlay layout and cleaned resulting mount points
21:05 < CIA-9>  (untested, work in progress - backup only)
21:09 < CIA-9> rene * r10132 /trunk/target/archivista/build_image.sh: * live cd image creation (archivista) revisited (work in progress)
21:16 < rxr> mksquashfs could be faster ...
21:20 < rxr> haha - killing qemu helped ,-)_
21:20 < mnemoc> :)
21:21 < morfoh> rxr: I will finaly commit squashfs update to 2.2 and the changed patch handling now
21:22 < rxr> oehm
21:22 < rxr> ok - but I will not test it the next days
21:22 < rxr> need to get this T2 built image done ...
21:22 < morfoh> rxr: you don't have to
21:22 < rxr> what are the 2.2 feature outlines ?
21:22 < morfoh> rxr: it's tested
21:22 < rxr> yes - I only do svn up of stuff I want to have updated right now on that tiny box ...
21:23 < morfoh> rxr: some size and speed improvements
21:23 < rxr> ok - I will test it on Tuesday then ...
21:23 < morfoh> rxr: + some embedded specific caching features that can be tweaked now
21:24 < rxr> some numbers for speed and size improvements ?
21:24 < rxr> only runtime or also mksquass
21:24 < rxr> hfs
21:24 < morfoh> I think mostly runtime
21:24 < morfoh> but no actual values in mind now
21:25 < rxr> ok
21:25 < rxr> the Celeron @ 1.5 Ghz is quite slow squashing ...
21:25 < rxr> I think my home Athlon was way faster ...
21:25 < rxr> though that is a "embedded box" ...
21:25 < rxr> http://www.archivista.ch
21:26 < morfoh> nice box :)
21:27 < rxr> was unstable like hell until I found out that enabling the Local APIC in the BIOS made the difference ...
21:28 < rxr> was already reading interrupt routing code in the kernel at that time ...
21:28 < CIA-9> chris * r10133 /trunk/package/filesystem/squashfs-tools/ (13 files): 
21:28 < CIA-9> * updated squashfs (2.1 -> 2.2)
21:28 < CIA-9> * moved pkg_linux*_post stuff to pkg_linux*_pre
21:28 < CIA-9> * added smarter on demand patch handling (Note: I think we've to improve the automatic patch version detection)
21:29 < morfoh> rxr: did libpng ever build on diet emb ?
21:29 < rxr> no idea ...
21:29 < rxr> maybe no
21:30 < morfoh> rxr: then I'll move it to the uclibc specific options
21:30 < mnemoc> and uclibc fails on libowfat
21:33 < rxr> mksquashfs now running for 22 minutes ...
21:33 < rxr> squashing 2GB into 6xx MB ...
21:33 < _Ragnar_> o_O
21:35 < rxr> well - I'm building on a 2.5" "laptop" dis ...
21:35 < rxr> disk ...
21:35 < rxr> around 6% I/O wait ...
21:36 < morfoh> rxr: yep ... 2.5" hdd's are mostly not the fastest
21:36 < rxr> ack
21:41 < CIA-9> chris * r10134 /trunk/target/embedded/config.in: * moved libpng to the uclibc specific package selection
21:44 < CIA-9> rene * r10135 /trunk/target/archivista/ (build_image.sh menu.lst): * updated archivista/build_image.sh and added the GRUB menu.lst
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21:52 < rxr> hi jsaw 
21:52 < jsaw> re
21:52 < jsaw> hi rxr 
21:52 < morfoh> hi jsaw 
21:52 < mnemoc> hi jsaw 
21:52 < jsaw> finally I got my dsl...
21:52 < jsaw> hi morfoh , mnemoc 
21:53 < mnemoc> :)
21:53 < jsaw> hmmm, the wlan lag is strange...
21:54 < rxr> what AP is it ?
21:55 < jsaw> it's "AVM Fritz!WLAN Fone" or something like that
21:56 < jsaw> everything in one device: dsl-modem,ap,two eth ports, ISDN or analog telephone (+internet phone)
21:56 < jsaw> RUNNING LINUX 
21:56 < jsaw> yeah
21:56 < rxr> ic
21:57 < jsaw> sooner or later I should replace the firmware with a t2-target 
21:57 < jsaw> *grin*
21:57 < mnemoc> :)
21:57 < mnemoc> t2-bios
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22:03 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
22:03 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Jun 21 16:27:15 2005]
22:03 [Users #t2]
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22:03 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ karasz] [ mnemoc] [ rxr  ] [ sparc-kly] 
22:03 [ CIA-9    ] [ keinek] [ morfoh] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin ] 
22:03 [ dsoul    ] [ madtux] [ mtr   ] [ sepp_] 
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22:05 < mnemoc> felt due to the final effort?
22:07 < CIA-9> rene * r10137 /trunk/target/livecd/init: * final debug output for livecd/init
22:08 < sepp_> it there a easy way to get $ver from package foo?
22:11 < mnemoc> i wanted to extend pkgprefix for: pkgprefix version foo
22:12 < morfoh> sepp: $ver <-- Documentation/PKG-BUILD-VARS
22:13 < mnemoc> from package foo, not for /this/ package
22:13 < sepp_> morfoh: yes i mean a other package
22:14 < mnemoc> pkgprefix ver foo   can be a good solution in my own
22:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack
22:15 < morfoh> sepp_: take a look at -> package/security/rsbac/pkg_linux_pre.conf for now
22:15 < mnemoc> what mr. core architect thinks about?
22:16 < mnemoc> but a `pkgprefix ver foo` would work over an already installed package....
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22:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes
22:18 < sepp_> this will not work for firefox, mozilla plugins
22:18 < sepp_> pkgprefix ...
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22:19 < mnemoc> if plugin is installed as extension, $ver and match_source_file are enough
22:19 < morfoh> oh! libpcap on dieemb will not build anymore :/
22:20 < morfoh> dietemb
22:20 < mnemoc> if plugin is a third party, pkgprefix will be available
22:21 < sepp_> plugins for firefox should go to opt/firefox/lib/firefox-1.0.4/plugins
22:21 < morfoh> but the errors are looking quite this ones I fixed on the radiusclient-ng package
22:22 < sepp_> or whereever it is located
22:22 < CIA-9> jsaw * r10138 /trunk/scripts/functions: * "GNUmakefile" is not part of the documentation...
22:24 < mnemoc> sepp_: plugindir=`pkgprefix libdir firefox`/firefox-`pkgprefix ver firefox`/plugins
22:24 < mnemoc> sepp_: if pkgprefix ver is written
22:24 < sepp_> ahh thanks
22:25 < mnemoc> where is core architect when i need a feature to be aproved :(
22:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: squashing disks :)
22:28 < mnemoc> :)
22:30  * sepp_ is very happy with t2
22:30 < mnemoc> sepp_: why that?
22:30 < sepp_> why i am happy?
22:31 < mnemoc> yes
22:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: catching question ?
22:33 < sepp_> hmm i can not really articulate it
22:33 < mnemoc> i just want to know what sepp see on T2
22:33 < mnemoc> :)
22:33 < morfoh> mnemoc: okok ... I know .)
22:33 < morfoh> so sepp just has a good feeling what means t2 has a quite good karma :)
22:34 < sepp_> maybe
22:34 < mnemoc> i want to write T2 advocating, but i don't know what to write :\
22:34 < mnemoc> karma thing is not a valid argument
22:34 < morfoh> :D
22:34 < mnemoc> :)
22:35 < morfoh> sure ... it is
22:35 < sepp_> ok: i tested many distros, they throw you stones in the way - most modern distros look like windows 
22:35 < sepp_> i dont want all the gnome, kde crap
22:36 < sepp_> e.g. debian you want abiword or so and you have to install all the things i never use
22:36 < jsaw> what's the status of network config? (in terms of plans)
22:36 < morfoh> sepp_: ack ... for me the package dependencies are a major issue too
22:37 < mnemoc> jsaw: knetconf is 'finished'
22:37 < sepp_> and i added some things that were missing (for me) - so i am happy
22:38 < sepp_> mnemoc: answer accepted?
22:38 < jsaw> [U] http://gtk-sharp.sourceforge.net/
22:38 < jsaw> ???
22:38 < jsaw> knetconf, it's graphical? only?
22:39 < mnemoc> sepp_: yes :)
22:39 < jsaw> and what's about the low level network scripts?
22:39 < mnemoc> vi /etc/conf/network :(
22:39 < jsaw> so, still rocknet...
22:39 < mnemoc> yes
22:39 < jsaw> hm, wireless is pretty much b0rken
22:40 < mnemoc> knetconf works over rocknet
22:40 < mnemoc> jsaw: what would you fix?
22:40 < mnemoc> jsaw: and how :)
22:41 < jsaw> iwdetect in first place is buggy
22:41 < jsaw> second, iwdetect relies on essid
22:41 < jsaw> this is bad, it should also match mac's
22:41 < jsaw> third, no wpa support
22:41 < morfoh> jsaw: firewall stuff has to be reqorked too
22:41 < jsaw> and so on...
22:42 < morfoh> reworked
22:42  * mnemoc looks how jsaw kills his toy :(
22:42 < jsaw> .oO(kill?)
22:43 < jsaw> .oO(damn, it took me 3h to find out why it's not working... I even had to check with XP if everything is alright *gr*)
22:43 < mnemoc> :p
22:43 < mnemoc> patches are welcome
22:44 < jsaw> I know quite well, but no I'm
22:44 < jsaw> <- hiding
22:44 < mnemoc> :(
22:44 < jsaw> :]
22:44 < mnemoc> btw, removing -s didn't fix root
22:44 < jsaw> no, I will do it
22:44 < mnemoc> cool :D
22:44 < mnemoc> i though noone was using iwdetect
22:44 < jsaw> but first I have to think about ifplug integration
22:45 < mnemoc> we have a big conflict between hotplug and rocknet
22:45 < mnemoc> ifplug makes it even harder
22:45 < jsaw> mnemoc: I will use multiple APs (lab and home), so iwdetect is easier to setup
22:46 < jsaw> mnemoc: what's the actual problem with hotplug versus rocknet?
22:47 < mnemoc> hotplug starts the interface, network start does it again. rules duplication. 
22:47 < jsaw> hotplug starts the interface? really?
22:47 < mnemoc> rockplug
22:47 < keinek> yes... i always desactive the network in the init service
22:47 < keinek> :)
22:47 < mnemoc> :)
22:47 < keinek> yes hotplug starts the network
22:48 < keinek> :)
22:48 < keinek> and the fonts in kde still fail :D
22:48 < keinek> just like when i join us.
22:48 < keinek> :D
22:48 < mnemoc> keinek: stop crying and send a patch to fix it
22:48 < keinek> i make my Red-Handed Target and work fine.
22:49 < mnemoc> injecting file instead of fixing config
22:49 < jsaw> hmm, but rockplug only calls "ifup", which in turn call rocknet..., hmmm
22:49 < keinek> but dont finish 
22:49 < keinek> :D
22:49 < mnemoc> jsaw: yes, but it conflicts 'network start' thing
22:49 < jsaw> oh, so this is only a problem on boot?
22:50 < mnemoc> and when plug/unplug
22:50 < jsaw> why on plug/unplug?
22:50 < mnemoc> the lack of 'abort if fail' on rocknet is another issue
22:50 < jsaw> how is rocknet called twice?
22:50 < mnemoc> jsaw: you are right
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22:52 < jsaw> yet,
22:53 < jsaw> nice race between rock{plug,net},ifplugd
22:53 < jsaw> :P
22:53 < mnemoc> yes
22:53 < mnemoc> rocknet on bootup, and ifplug on plug
22:54 < mnemoc> that's the triangule i wanted to 'mention'
22:54 < mnemoc> we could add semaphores to rocknet :D
22:54 < jsaw> :)
22:54 < keinek> i like the triangule.
22:55 < keinek> its original.
22:55 < keinek> :)
22:56 < mnemoc> :)
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23:16 < jsaw> gotta go, cu all
23:16 < morfoh> cu jsaw 
23:32 < mnemoc> morfoh: on a fresh build after reverting fl_wrapper thing i passed 2-bintuils
23:34 < mnemoc> morfoh: on 2.1-pristine
23:37 < mnemoc> morfoh: i'm waiting for the fresh ref with all the changes
23:38 < morfoh> mnemoc: should I start one ?
23:38 < mnemoc> i would have to revert the fl_wrapper change before
23:38 < mnemoc> if fresh reference pass now i can blame fl_wrapper
23:40 < mnemoc> +,
23:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: if you've reverted fl_wrapper stuff give me a note that i can start a 2nd ref 
23:41 < mnemoc> uhm....
23:42 < mnemoc> can you start a minimal over 2.1 as is? to see if the problem also affects you
23:42 < morfoh> ok
23:44 < morfoh> optimisation ? 
23:45 < mnemoc> i did p4
23:45 < mnemoc> reference at == 17:52:34 =[1]=> Building shells/bash [3.0 2.1.0-rc2].
23:45 < morfoh> then I'll do pmmx for now ... or rxr will complain about it again :)
23:45 < mnemoc> :)
23:46 < morfoh> generix minimal ?
23:47 < mnemoc> yes
23:49 < morfoh> ok ...started on AthlonXP 3000+
23:49 < mnemoc> :)
23:57 < sepp_> good night *
23:59 < mnemoc> gn8 sepp_ 
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