--- Log opened Wed Jul 20 00:00:00 2005
00:00 < veki> Ragnar: I was in NYC, Albany, Burlington, Seattle, washington DC, Boston several times
00:02 < _Ragnar_> ^_^
00:02 < veki> Ragnar: have you ever been in Serbia?
00:03 < _Ragnar_> no
00:04 < veki> Ragnar: so you should come.  If you will teach me hwo to add packages, you can be my guest, free accomodation and food provided
00:05 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
00:05 < _Ragnar_> okay =)
00:05 < veki> Ragnar: great! what is your profession
00:06 < _Ragnar_> programmer
00:06 < veki> Ragnar: ahhh, therefore, you say that this is easy :)
00:07 < _Ragnar_> ;)
00:08 < veki> Ragnar: so you guys, read source files like newspaper article.  I am not skilled in that, although I would like to
00:11 < veki> I hope that one day we will be able to organize t2conf so we can finally meet each other and communicate through 3D live human GUI
00:12 < veki> :)
00:12 < mnemoc> a:)
00:12 < mnemoc> -a
00:12 < veki> mnemoc: yes *.*
00:14 < sepp_> uhm 3 of 3(different) trunk targets broke on lazy 1-glibc
00:16 < mnemoc> glibc doesn't like lazy people :)
00:16 < sepp_> :)
00:16 < veki> :)
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00:23 < veki> my building of generic target goes fine.  so far only one package failed i.e.libmng due to parse error before "pData" whatever it means
00:23 < veki> is that package essentially important for generic target?
00:25 < _Ragnar_> oh no, that's a failed dependency
00:25 < veki> Ragnar: so what I have to do?
00:25 < _Ragnar_> you need to have lcms installed
00:26 < veki> hm, i issued command ./scripts/Download - cfg foo -required and it downloaded whatever is needed
00:26 < veki> how can I check do I have lcms installed
00:26 < mnemoc> /var/adm/packages/lcms
00:26 < veki> OK, I will do it now
00:27 < veki> I do not have it there.  SHould I do Emerge or something like that?
00:28 < _Ragnar_> hmm I wonder
00:28 < _Ragnar_> you using trunk?
00:28 < mnemoc> are you doing an emerge of libmng or a build?
00:28 < veki> no I use rc2 version
00:28 < mnemoc> i have to go
00:28 < mnemoc> cu
00:28 < veki> libmng is attempted to buidl during the build process of generic target 
00:28 < sepp_> good night all
00:29 < veki> cu mnemoc
00:29 < veki> good night sepp
00:29 < veki> I got that failure message during the build process of generic target
00:30 < _Ragnar_> check package/*/libmng/*.desc ... change the 123.300 to 123.301 and try again
00:30 < veki> hm, i will try now, wait a minute
00:36 < veki> Ok, found and changed.  I have continued build already before.  But, may I try to build it in addition, I mean after this build will be completed
00:42 < veki> should iI after compeltion of this build issue again ./scripts/Build-target -cfg foo so it will remove old src.error files and try to complete build by building libmng package again
00:43 < morfoh> good night all 
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00:45 < _Ragnar_> veki: probably
00:46 < veki> OK, ragnar, i will wait this attempt to be finished and try again.  I will report you on results
00:46 < veki> what does change that number. what is actually, effect of that change?
00:46 < veki> I mean in .desc file for libmng
00:48 < _Ragnar_> the priority
00:48 < _Ragnar_> it tells it to build libmng after lcms
00:48 < veki> OK, we will see what will happen, probably tomorrow evening on my time zone or during the day in your time zone
00:48 < veki> :)
00:49 < _Ragnar_> ok
00:49 < veki> but, since I do not have lcms should I install lcms before that attempt to build libmng
00:50 < _Ragnar_> no, it should be build by the build system itself, if you're building generic
00:52 < veki> ah, so it is supposed by changing that nu,ber that it will check whether lcms is installed and it will build libmng afterwards . Is that correct?
00:53 < _Ragnar_> well I'm not sure why that wasn't the case already
00:54 < veki> OK, we will check and if needed I can open ticket and publish it
00:55 < _Ragnar_> ok
00:59 < veki> thanks on your help :)
00:59 < _Ragnar_> yw
00:59 < veki> :)
01:26 < veki> Ragnar, I am finishing my work.  I will be ready soon to be taight how to add packages. Is that OK with you?
01:39 < mnemoc> re
01:40 < veki> hi mnemoc
01:40 < mnemoc> hi veki 
01:41 < veki> I am building generic target and arts and gtk + packages failed to build due to lack of ljpeg
01:41 < veki> how can I solve that?
01:42 < mnemoc> uhm?
01:42 < mnemoc> why your generic doesn't have libjpeg?
01:42 < veki> I dunno . I just issued commands ./scripts/ Download -cfg foo required and after that ./scripts/Build-target -cfg foo
01:43 < mnemoc> grep '^X' config/foo/packages | wc -l
01:44 < veki> OK
01:48 < veki> result is 196
01:49 < mnemoc> what template or pkgsel did you do there?
01:49 < mnemoc> pure generic has more than 1500 packages
01:50 < madtux> i guess its one of the minimalistic selections
01:50 < _Ragnar_> x86_64/start.S: undefined reference to `_dyn_start'
01:50 < _Ragnar_> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
01:50 < _Ragnar_> for dietlibc on a cross build from x86 to x86-64
01:51 < veki> mnemoc: Hm, I think that I used with minimal desktop or something like that
01:51 < mnemoc> i have only tested minimal
01:51 < mnemoc> madtux: hi
01:51 < madtux> yar
01:52 < veki> I think that I selected minikal, since I do not need a lot of office packages.  I just need basic X and audio packages.  Where I can check a list of selected packages
01:52 < veki> hi madtux
01:52 < madtux> config/<foo>/packages
01:53 < madtux> hello veki 
01:53 < veki> hello
01:54 < veki> I was prompted with permission denied although I was root.  Maybe it doe snot permit while th ebuild process is going on
01:55 < madtux> what did u exactly do?
01:55 < veki> config/foo/packages
01:55 < madtux> veki, obviously foo = ur cfg name
01:55 < mnemoc> minimal has 96 packages
01:56 < veki> yes, madtux i called it audio so it was config/audio/packages
01:57 < madtux> ls -l config/audio/packages ?
01:57 < veki> Script started on Tue Jul 19 01:56:44 2005
01:57 < veki> bash-3.00# logout[1Pdf ..logout      config/audio/packages
01:57 < veki> bash: config/audio/packages: Permission denied
01:57 < veki> bash-3.00# exit
01:57 < veki> Script done on Tue Jul 19 01:57:01 2005
01:58 < mnemoc> uhm
01:58 < madtux> dude.... u want to cat the file not try to exec it
01:58 < madtux> mnemoc, do u have a tar.bz2 of software-suspend at hand? i can;t get it from either the original url or a mirror
01:59 < veki> uhm, I used /exec -o cat foo to show you prompt that was scripted by using script
01:59 < madtux> looks fscked up... what do u think mny?
02:03 < mnemoc> uhm
02:04 < mnemoc> madtux: take a look into rsync://t2.geeks.cl/mirror
02:05 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/mirror/2.1.0-rc2/s/software-suspend-2.1.9.8-for-2.6.12.tar.bz2
02:05 < madtux> thanks bro
02:06 < mnemoc> madtux: you could mirror that rsync :)
02:06 < madtux> the first .cr mirror?
02:06 < madtux> how much space would i need?
02:06 < mnemoc> of course, i'm too distant and my links are poor
02:07 < madtux> i have a 100mb link here... i guess it might be of use..
02:07 < mnemoc> using rsync -aH (preserving hardlinks) it is 7.5G
02:07 < mnemoc> 100mb where? on your pendrive?
02:08 < madtux> 100mb connection ...
02:09 < madtux> how often do we syncronize?
02:10 < mnemoc> twice a day? it's up to you
02:11 < mnemoc> rene likes 'push', but i prefer 'pop'
02:11 < madtux> mmm.... i don;t have enought space on the 2 boxes available
02:11 < mnemoc> don't forget -H
02:11 < madtux> i will prepare a new box here and take it over there to replace one of those two boxes
02:11 < mnemoc> you? without 8G?
02:12 < madtux> me without 8g at my master colocation place
02:12 < madtux> but i will change that
02:12 < madtux> :)
02:12 < mnemoc> :)
02:12 < madtux> i will have the box ready by tonight and hook it up either tonight or in the mourning
02:13 < madtux> then whatever it takes to sync
02:14 < mnemoc> longer that router target fixing :)
02:14 < mnemoc> than*
02:16 < mnemoc> but not as long as 2.1.0
02:21 < veki> mnemoc:  How can I build that libjpeg package so otherpackages which depend on libjpeg will not fail?
02:22 < mnemoc> veki: considering the template you choose is broken, add the missing packages to your pkgsel
02:23 < mnemoc> X libjpeg in this case
02:24 < veki> uhm, so you think that emplate is broken?  I found .desc file of libjpeg so it should be built.  Is it problme in priorities or waht, in th ebuilding priocess
02:25 < veki> or, should I do ./scripts/Configure again
02:26 < mnemoc> no, the problem is that your config doesn't include it
02:26 < mnemoc> nothing related to libjpeg.desc
02:26 < mnemoc> add libjpeg to your pkgsel
02:27 < veki> uhm, how can I do that, should I cancel the current build process
02:28 < mnemoc> Config -> Expert -> Package Selection -> 'X libjpeg'
02:28 < mnemoc> or vi config/foo/config
02:29 < mnemoc> yes, better abort that build
02:29 < veki> OK I will do that now, so I suppose that new build will take into account what was already done so it will not start everything fornm th every beginning
02:30 < veki> I will do COnfig right now and I will ask if needed. OK?
02:31 < veki> should i do any Cleanup or so?
02:32 < mnemoc> you would need to reschedule failed packages
02:32 < mnemoc> Create-ErrList -cfg foo -remove brokepackage1 brokenpackage2 ....
02:34 < veki> uhm, I will do that, but there is one interesting thing with Config.  It is by default set not to choose any pkgsel template.  When i want to select minimlaistic version it returns me to no preselect template.  Strange?
02:35 < mnemoc> uhm
02:35 < mnemoc> weird
02:36 < veki> yes, for example it wa sselected that it should build only .gem binary files but it was building tar.bz2 and .gem.  It seems to me that something i sbroken
02:37 < veki> should I svn up?
02:43 < veki> I have done cleanup and svn up , and now is Configure behaving much better
02:44 < mnemoc> do you _have_ .tar.bz2 files on build/foo*/TOOLCHAIN/packages ?
02:50 < veki> I will check now
02:50 < CIA-9> amery * r10337 /trunk/package/kde/kxdocker/kxdocker.desc: * updated kxdocker (0.34 -> 0.35)
02:51 < veki> mnemoc: only gem
02:54 < mnemoc> :)
02:54 < mnemoc> you need .tbz2 to create .gem files :)
02:55 < mnemoc> but they are removed after that if you don't requested them
02:56 < veki> ok, I have done configure again with minial X with desktop whihc was shown now as an option.  I am doing download now and I will try to build again
02:58 < veki> it seem sto me that mirror is down.  During download process it says that mirro does have errro 404 and It downloads fro original URL
02:59 < mnemoc> that's normal if you selected a mirror which is out of sync
03:00 < veki> OK
03:01 < veki> I started BUild-Target again and it sauid that it found 17 packages update and that it will rerun configuration script.  It builds Toolchain now
03:02 < mnemoc> not the toolchain, just rebuilding the helpers
03:02 < mnemoc> don't forget to run download
03:03 < veki> Yes, I run download -cfg foo -required
03:04 < veki> uhm, battery on my laptop died.  I cannot turn on my laptop. :(
03:05 < mnemoc> (
03:06 < mnemoc> :(
03:06 < veki> uhm, it cannot work even without battery though it is plugged in the wall socket :(
03:07 < veki> hm, I cahnged socket and everyhting works :)  I am happy now
03:08 < veki> build is going fine so far.  It is too early to say anything, but I checked libjpeg is selected
03:10 < mnemoc> enabled packages have an 'X' on config/foo/package
03:10 < mnemoc> if something is missing set it in your pkgsel
03:10 < mnemoc> if you already have pkgsel enables echo X foo >> config/foo/pkgsel is enough
03:11 < veki> yes, I checked a list of selected packages. I something worng I will know for sure :(
03:11 < mnemoc> if you don't want any error on your build you can increase the 'abort' level
03:12 < veki> hm, what is that?
03:12 < mnemoc> by default it aborts on every failure before stage 5
03:12 < mnemoc> a config option
03:12 < veki> ah, OK
03:13 < mnemoc> (4)    Continue if package-build fails after stage 4
03:13 < veki> I finished tonight overvoew of some Linux audio packages inlcuding pcakages for radio stations.  If you are interested I can send it to you
03:13 < mnemoc> send them to the list
03:13 < mnemoc> with a complete .desc
03:13 < veki> hm, it is 2megs .zip file
03:13 < mnemoc> what?
03:14 < mnemoc> .desc need a download location
03:14 < mnemoc> how can your patch weight 2M?
03:14 < mnemoc> the entire T2 source is 2.3M
03:14 < veki> yes, it is cca 47 pages document, I mean overveiw, my document about useability of Linux audio packages.  It is .pdf that is zipped
03:16 < mnemoc> aaa...
03:16 < mnemoc> :)
03:16 < mnemoc> pdf?
03:16 < mnemoc> send it please
03:16 < veki> yes, it is typed document, text with graphics, zipped pdf
03:17 < veki> what is your E-mail address
03:17 < mnemoc> amery@geeks.cl
03:17 < veki> ok, one minute and it will be in your inbox
03:20 < veki> sent, please feel free to send your comments
03:21 < veki> I am going to sleep now since it is here 3.22 AM.  I have to wake up early in th emorning
03:21 < veki> cu tomorrow or today :)
03:21 < mnemoc> cu veki 
03:22 < veki> good night my Chilean friend
03:22 < veki> :)
03:22 < madtux> u are chilean?
03:22 < veki> not me , mnemoc is Chilean
03:23 < veki> cu madtux
03:24 < madtux> ;)
03:24 < madtux> http://www.jwz.org/images/love_your_job.gif
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03:50 < keinek> madtux, what amazing gif
03:50 < keinek> :D
03:50 < keinek> i wanna more
03:54 < madtux> definitly the keinek kind of stuff
03:54 < madtux> :)
03:54  * keinek is recording red-handed vol. 3 :)
03:54 < madtux> cool
03:54 < mnemoc> :)
03:55 < keinek> now, red-handed is more cool. No more compile guides.
03:56 < madtux> hey.... that was just a constructive critic...
03:56 < madtux> i never said red-handed wasn't cool
03:56 < mnemoc> :)
03:58 < keinek> i know madtux
03:59 < keinek> but i dont like that section too,
03:59 < keinek> :)
03:59 < madtux> ok
03:59 < madtux> i offered a section and a phone interview but the produced never wanted
03:59 < keinek> hahaha the producer dont have the hardware for recording a phone call.
04:00 < keinek> :(
04:00 < madtux> the tux has it
04:00 < keinek> i work in it, and tell you when is ready, then you call me ok?
04:01 < madtux> no you lost your oportunity, i hate you.
04:01 < keinek> :(
04:01 < keinek> :D
04:01 < madtux> :P
04:01 < madtux> anytime
04:02 < keinek> in the next red-handed the film section is fantastic.
04:02 < keinek> about "sin city"
04:04 < mnemoc> keinek: you should add the links to the official sites of the things you mention on your forum
04:07 < keinek> I dont post that?
04:08 < mnemoc> you miss some
04:08 < keinek> ok.. i will see that.
04:08 < keinek> ;)
04:09 < keinek> but in general is ok right?
04:09 < mnemoc> yep
04:09 < keinek> :)
04:12 < keinek> the new guy of the program radio, talk much more "porteño"
04:12 < madtux> i promisse no one else would talk like me
04:13 < madtux> :)
04:13 < keinek> i made a f*cking mixed... with guy talking "porteño" and music "bakalao" in the background.
04:15 < keinek> is the last chance for Red-Handed.
04:15 < mnemoc> why the last chance?
04:16 < mnemoc> last chance for what?
04:17 < keinek> for restore the magic of the program.
04:20 < keinek> audacity work fine in t2.
04:21 < keinek> is really powefull.
04:21 < keinek> powerfull.
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05:02 < CIA-9> amery * r10338 /branches/2.1/package/archiver/tnef/tnef.desc: * merged 9218 from trunk: updated tnef (1.3.2 -> 1.3.3)
05:37 < CIA-9> amery * r10339 /branches/2.1/package/audio/esound/esound.desc: * merged 9577 from trunk: updated esound (0.2.35 -> 0.2.36)
05:39 < CIA-9> amery * r10340 /branches/2.1/package/audio/xmms-infinity/xmms-infinity.desc: * merged 9389 from trunk: updated xmms-infinity (0.6.0 -> 0.6.1)
05:41 < CIA-9> amery * r10341 /branches/2.1/package/audio/cdrdao/ (cdrdao.desc x86_64-support.patch): * merged 9255 from trunk: updated cdrdao (1.1.9 -> 1.2.0)
05:42 < CIA-9> amery * r10342 /branches/2.1/package/audio/gnupod/gnupod.desc: * merged 9249 from trunk: updated gnupod (0.97 -> 0.98)
05:43 < madtux> mnemoc_, 
05:44 < mnemoc_> madtux: 
05:44 < CIA-9> amery * r10343 /branches/2.1/package/audio/rezound/ (fox_1.4.patch rezound.desc): * merged 9507 from trunk: updated rezound (0.11.1 -> 0.12.0)
05:44 < madtux> whats pending on stable?
05:44 < madtux> do u have a timeline or something for stable-final?
05:44 < madtux> how may i help?
05:44 < mnemoc_> fixing router :)
05:45 < madtux> ok
05:45 < mnemoc_> after i finish this merge orgy,, i'll test some other simple updates and two or three important fixes which needs tests
05:45 < mnemoc_> then i tag rc2
05:46 < madtux> cool
05:46 < mnemoc_> and start building minimal-pmmx and desktop-pmmx
05:46 < mnemoc_> others may start building other arches over the tag
05:47 < mnemoc_> the tag gets needed last-time fixes
05:47 < mnemoc_> and when they ISOs are ready, rc2 is announces
05:47 < mnemoc_> which is the last rc
05:49 < mnemoc_> then, after fixing pending issue on trac.t2-project.org, 2.1.0 tag, ISOs and announcement
05:49 < madtux> cool
05:49 < madtux> wee gettext just broke
05:49 < mnemoc_> trunk or 2.1?
05:49 < madtux> trunk
05:50 < madtux> 2.1 build will begging in a bit
05:50 < mnemoc_> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/ <--- i have to commit these changes :)
05:51 < mnemoc_> if you want to fix any of those broken packages.....
05:55 < madtux> finish ur merge orgy when u are done i will update my trunk and work
05:55 < madtux> just let me know
05:55 < CIA-9> amery * r10344 /branches/2.1/package/audio/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
05:55 < CIA-9> * merged 9795 from trunk: updated jack (0.99.0 -> 0.100.0)
05:55 < CIA-9> * merged 9258,9786,9814 from trunk: updated qjackctl (0.2.14 -> 0.2.17)
05:55 < CIA-9> * merged 10289 from trunk: updated jamin (0.9.0 -> 0.95.0)
05:56 < mnemoc_> madtux: can you test sparc on current 2.1?
05:57 < CIA-9> amery * r10345 /branches/2.1/package/audio/libshout/libshout.desc: * merged 9234 from trunk: updated libshout (2.0 -> 2.1)
05:59 < CIA-9> amery * r10346 /branches/2.1/package/base/cpufreqd/cpufreqd.desc: * merged 9191 from trunk: updated cpufreqd (1.2.2 -> 1.2.3)
06:00 < CIA-9> amery * r10347 /branches/2.1/package/base/units/ (gcc33-support.patch units.desc): * merged 8997 from trunk: updated units (1.80 -> 1.85)
06:01 < CIA-9> amery * r10348 /branches/2.1/package/base/lsof/lsof.desc: * merged 9533 from trunk: updated lsof (4.74 -> 4.75)
06:03 < CIA-9> amery * r10349 /branches/2.1/package/base/rfc/ (rfc.conf rfc.desc): * merged 9186 from trunk: updated rfc (RFCs4001-latest) and replaced hardcoded filenames with match_source_file
06:04 < madtux> yes i can
06:05 < mnemoc_> thanks :)
06:05 < mnemoc_> a minimal, nothing else
06:05 < mnemoc_> just to know it works
06:13 < madtux> isos?
06:14 < mnemoc_> much better :)
06:19 < mnemoc_> i'll continue the commits tomorrow.... it's to cold for this here
06:20 < mnemoc_> gn8 madtux 
06:20 < mnemoc_> cu tomorrow
06:22 < CIA-9> amery * r10350 /trunk/package/base/howtos/howtos.desc: * updated howtos (20050529 -> 20050719), changed to use the versioned file
06:26 < madtux> night mny
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09:10 < rxr_> re
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09:10 < rxr> moin all
09:14 < madtux> hi ren
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09:17 < mipe> hi rxr,madtux,veki
09:22 < madtux> mipe
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09:27 < minto> moin
09:27 < rxr> moin
09:31 < veki> hi
09:36 < rxr> AfterStep 2.1.2 (Stable)
10:13 < rxr> http://freshmeat.net/releases/202047/
10:18 < CIA-9> rene * r10351 /trunk/package/develop/sloccount/tail-head.patch: * fixed sloccount for the new head and tail POSIX argument handling
10:28 < sepp_> moin
10:37 < rxr> moin sepp_ 
10:39 < sepp_> hi rxr 
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10:48 < morfoh> hi *
10:48 < minto> hi morfoh :-)
10:48 < morfoh> hi minto :)
10:49 < minto> hi sepp and veki as well
10:56 < CIA-9> msluis * r10352 /trunk/package/archiver/alien/alien.desc: * update alien (8.53 -> 8.56)
10:57 < CIA-9> msluis * r10353 /trunk/package/graphic/asymptote/asymptote.desc: * update asymptote (0.78 -> 0.83)
10:58 < CIA-9> msluis * r10354 /trunk/package/develop/pynumarray/pynumarray.desc: * update pynumarray (1.1.1 -> 1.3.3)
10:58 < CIA-9> msluis * r10355 /trunk/package/develop/pytables/pytables.desc: * update pytables (1.0 -> 1.1)
11:03 < CIA-9> rene * r10356 /trunk/package/emulators/wine/max-font-size.patch: 
11:03 < CIA-9> * lowered artifcial maximal font size rendered by wine to work around
11:03 < CIA-9>  issue with some applications (such as the Finereader OCR engine)
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11:17 < karasz> hi guys
11:23 < CIA-9> rene * r10357 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/ (13 files in 7 dirs): 
11:23 < CIA-9> * archivista/rootfs update, including converting whole file copies
11:23 < CIA-9>  to patches and permission encodings I still have to implemenet
11:25 < mipe> hmm,openldap doesnt find sasl to link with... damn
11:27 < rxr> hm
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11:29 < azu> Hello
11:30 < azu> Is anyone around?
11:31 < mipe> yep
11:34 < azu> hi mipe, i'm on vacation in polen now. I wanted to ask if there are anz news?
11:35 < mipe> hi azu,any news regarding?
11:38 < minto> rxr: Do you have a minute?
11:39 < azu> about t2
11:40 < mipe> azu: dont know any news in t2 generally, all i know that amd64 build(desktop) is progressing nicely on 2.1
11:42 < azu> ok
11:42 < azu> i have to go now
11:42 < azu> bye
11:42 < mipe> cya
11:43  * mipe is cursing openldap
11:44 < mipe> ah now it works, with really crappy patch
11:45 < morfoh> mipe: what's the problem with openldap ?
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11:46 < mipe> cyrus-sasl2, it finds it during compile, but on last stage build when it links the openldap libs it doesnt find sasl2 anymore
11:47 < morfoh> uhm? 
11:47 < mipe> i just added LDFLAGS to point working sasl2 libdir. but need to patch it right on configure/Makefiles
11:47 < morfoh> mipe: and what kind of patch did you used ?
11:47 < morfoh> ah ic
11:47 < mipe> but thats not the proper way of doing it, or is it?
11:48 < morfoh> mipe: I think must not patch the makefile
11:48 < morfoh> you must not
11:48 < morfoh> can't we inject the proper LDFLAGS in the conf ?
11:49 < morfoh> mipe: var_append LDFLAGS doesn't work ?
11:49 < mipe> i just hardcoded the export LDFLAGS="-L/usr/lib64 -L/usr/lib64/sasl2"
11:49 < mipe> i forgot how to use pkgprefix
11:49 < mipe> pkgprefix cyrus-sasl libdir or how?
11:50 < morfoh> pkgprefix -t package
11:50 < mipe> LDFLAGS or GCC_WRAPPER_INSERT?
11:52 < morfoh> take a look into apache.conf ... ;)
11:52 < morfoh> pkgprefix -t cyrus-sasl
11:52 < morfoh> var_append LDFLAGS  ' ' "-L$( pkgprefix libdir cyrus-sasl )"
11:52 < morfoh> export LDFLAGS
11:53 < morfoh> that's how I'd test it
11:54 < mipe> oh,thanks
11:54 < morfoh> mipe: yw
12:00 < minto> morfoh: do you know something about the patch in the shadow package?
12:01 < minto> I quote rene:
12:01 < minto> Well - we want all the shadow stuff groupped into the "service / security domain" shadow; as it was up to 4.0.3 (or maybe even slightly higher versions).
12:01 < morfoh> minto: which one ?
12:01 < minto> -                   pam_start ("chpasswd", pampw->pw_name, &conv, &pamh);
12:01 < minto> +                   pam_start ("shadow", pampw->pw_name, &conv, &pamh);
12:02 < minto> I try to update shadow, but I don't like the patch.
12:02 < minto> It has to be recreated for every new release. :-(
12:03 < mipe> http://212.66.194.40/t2/system/regressions.html
12:03 < mipe> so far no build failures, that is now that openldap is fixed
12:04 < morfoh> mipe: so pkgprefix worked I guess
12:04 < mipe> morfoh:yep thanks for that
12:04 < morfoh> :)
12:07 < rxr> re
12:08 < rxr> minto: the shadow people broke this silenty for the release I quote
12:08 < rxr> minto: if you want to get rid fo the patch you only can do this in trunk - 2.1 needs to be config API compatible
12:08 < rxr> and then tweak all the files in /etc/pamd.d ...
12:08 < rxr> pam.d even ...
12:08 < rxr> minto: it is just that the PLD LInux people do whatever random crap they like with shadow ...
12:09 < minto> I won't touch 2.1, never intended too.
12:09 < minto> brb, have to watch Merlyn
12:13 < minto> rxr: I don't mind the actual patch, I mind doing it again for every release. I was thinking of doing the sed command in the .conf file. Like this new versions do not need to be patched manually.
12:15 < morfoh> hi rxr .... how the things are going ?
12:17 < morfoh> rxr: what do you think? should I use udev for /dev on a embedded system or just creating the needed entries manually ?
12:20 < CIA-9> sebastian * r10358 /trunk/package/network/rt2500/ (dist.patch no-depmod.patch postlinux.conf): * no-depmod, fixed file outside basedir in stage 1
12:27 < morfoh> have anybody seen this error while building grub on dietlibc ?
12:27 < morfoh> checking if C symbols get an underscore after compilation... no
12:27 < morfoh> checking whether objcopy works for absolute addresses... configure: error: i386-t2-linux-gnu-gcc cannot link at address 2000
12:28 < morfoh> stage 1
12:43 < minto> Why are PKG_BUILD_HOOKS (and VARS) in ./Documentation/ and PKG_CATEGORIES (and DESC_FORMAT and FLAGS) in ./misc/share/ ?
12:44 < morfoh> minto: dunno ... but I think all the Documentation stuff must be on the same place
12:44 < minto> Me too.
12:45 < minto> I wonder why the others where moved in the first place.
12:48 < morfoh> minto:  we should discuss this issues with the others later ... perhaps this evening
12:48 < minto> I agree
13:06 < minto> morfoh: ping
13:07 < morfoh> minto: pong
13:07 < minto> I updated shadow package and it builds, but how do I test it?
13:08 < minto> I am afraid commit it might break a few things
13:09 < morfoh> minto: hmmmm ... dunno how you could test it "alone"
13:09 < minto> Should I just commit and hide :-)
13:09 < minto> or commit and not hide
13:09 < morfoh> minto: as you want ;)
13:10 < minto> Okay I will commit and see what happens.
13:10 < morfoh> minto: if we want to get you we'll, anyway ;)
13:10 < minto> You will have to come to Amsterdam for that.
13:11  * minto changes password of noisy :-)
13:11 < minto> If you come to Amsterdam to get me. We can have a drink :-)
13:11 < morfoh> ok :)
13:14 < morfoh> rxr: have you ever cross compiled grub ?
13:28 < rxr> re
13:28 < rxr> morfoh: no idea
13:29 < morfoh> hmmm ...
13:29 < morfoh> rxr: I tried with --with-binutils but with no success
13:29 < morfoh> checking whether objcopy works for absolute addresses... configure: error: i386-t2-linux-gnu-gcc cannot link at address 2000
13:35 < minto> Hmm, good that I did an additional check. groupdel and userdel were not converted to shadow. But now they are :-)
13:35 < minto> Only login is still login
13:40 < CIA-9> msluis * r10359 /trunk/package/base/shadow/ (4 files): 
13:40 < CIA-9> * update shadow (4.0.7 -> 4.0.11)
13:40 < CIA-9> * converted service domain patch into a postpatch hook. Like this it
13:40 < CIA-9>  is no longer needed to refresh the patch with every new release.
13:40 < minto> :-)
13:40 < morfoh> :)
13:42 < minto> Hmm, in reference-32 linux26 still fails:
13:42 < minto> ...
13:42 < minto> Created file outside basedir: /lib/modules/2.6.12.3-dist/extra/rt2570.ko
13:42 < minto> base #1: /mnt/space/t2/trunk
13:42 < minto> base #2: /mnt/space/t2/trunk/build/reference-32-2.2.0-alpha-x86-generic
13:42 < minto> --- BUILD ERROR ---
13:42 < minto> ...
13:43 < minto> sepp_ ? --^ ?
13:44 < sepp_> hehe this is part 2
13:45 < sepp_> i fixed rt2500 not rt2570
13:45 < minto> ahh
13:45 < sepp_> but i am testing rt2570 right now
13:46 < minto> Ack, I will wait a while :-)
13:49 < rxr> valentin: you have a lot of mail
13:54 < jsaw> re
13:54 < jsaw> sepp_: do you want to use iwdetect?
13:55 < jsaw> rxr: will it be a problem to change the /etc/conf/network-nettab format? Is it used by sth. else the rocknet/iwdetect?
13:55 < sepp_> jsaw: not really
14:01 < sepp_> rt2570 is for usb wlan thing?
14:01 < jsaw> yep
14:02 < jsaw> latest cvs version oopses more often then the one committed
14:02 < jsaw> I'll try the next cvs update soon
14:03 < sepp_> i was wondering about the path
14:03 < jsaw> which path?
14:03 < jsaw> oh, "rt2570" you mean
14:03 < sepp_> /lib/modules/*/extra
14:03 < jsaw> ah
14:03 < jsaw> well, usually external modules do not go into the "kernel" directory
14:04 < jsaw> maybe should put it into "net"?
14:04 < sepp_> or kernel/drivers/usb/net
14:04 < sepp_> ?
14:05 < jsaw> no
14:05 < jsaw> it is not part of the official kernel, I wouldn't like to spill the official kernel module directory 
14:06 < jsaw> (imnsho) ... :)
14:06 < sepp_> ok :)
14:07 < jsaw> rxr, comments?
14:11 < jsaw> sepp_: will you fix the "outside base dir" thing, otherwise I'll do it later
14:11 < sepp_> yes
14:12 < jsaw> thanks :)
14:12 < sepp_> build is running already
14:13 < jsaw> damn, I just emerged it... the emerging should try to install to a different base to catch these errors...
14:13 < jsaw> bias
14:13 < rxr> jsaw: me @work ...
14:13 < rxr> jsaw: I woudl saay properitary T2 property to be changed if needed ...
14:14 < rxr> AFAIHRaS
14:24 < jsaw> ?
14:25 < jsaw> you mean it should go to kernel/driver/whatever ?
14:25 < rxr> as far as I have read and seen ,-)
14:25 < jsaw> that I understood :)
14:26 < rxr> ah - you mean for the kernel stuff ...
14:26 < jsaw> the sentence before was not clear ... (I just stood up, so I'm a bit slow still...)
14:26 < rxr> well - I think it is fine if 3rd party network stuff goes into kernel/driver/net ...
14:26 < rxr> I would avoid patching all the 3rd party stuff to use s.th. else ..
14:26 < rxr> and one day such stuff might be in the kernel anyway
14:27 < jsaw> the rt2570 installs itself in extra...
14:27 < jsaw> okay, sepp_, you read it, either you or I change it, whoever comes first...
14:28 < rxr> but extra is fine, too
14:28 < rxr> what was the problem with it ?
14:28 < jsaw> no problem, just trying to be consistent.... 
14:29 < jsaw> rxr: have you read my comment about bootdisk(trunk) ?
14:30 < rxr> well - I only wath #t2 with one eye from time to time - sorry
14:31 < rxr> what time shoudl I scroll back to ?
14:31 < jsaw> rxr: I'll describe it again: after the change to udev, bootdisk will not boot anymore... I created console and null in the initrd image (already committed), 
14:32 < jsaw> so that it at least boots into linuxrc,
14:32 < jsaw> but no devices are found...
14:32 < jsaw> I added udevstart, but still, no devices found
14:32 < jsaw> any idea?
14:32 < rxr> yes - hotplug++ to probe ide and scsi
14:32 < rxr> look into live a
14:32 < rxr> initrdinit
14:33 < rxr> in fact in trunk I'll totally rewrite the bootdisk stuff
14:33 < rxr> in fact the wohle target will be gone and any target can be marked installable or livecd ...
14:33 < rxr> the only stuf needed for that are the embutils and pdksh linked with dietlibc ...
14:33 < jsaw> and udev also...
14:34 < jsaw> but that's trivial
14:34 < rxr> yeah - udev ...
14:34 < rxr> yep - look into the live initrd init
14:34 < jsaw> okay
14:34 < rxr> and the new live build_initrd
14:34 < rxr> those create the custom initrd that for the installable target would only add linuxrc
14:34 < jsaw> .oO(I should cleanup misc/target...)
14:34 < rxr> which I propose to rewrite in shell code
14:35 < rxr> so this big ugly error prone linuxrc.c is gone forever ...
14:35 < rxr> right now I write a quite cool rootfs overlay mechanism
14:35 < rxr> look into the archivista rootfs for the encoding ...
14:36 < jsaw> :)
14:36 < rxr> for the passswd and shadow patch
14:36 < rxr> or the other ln or chmod chown encodings ...
14:37 < jsaw> btw hotplug++, have you seen, that the coldplug stuff was removed from the official hotplug?
14:37 < rxr> oeh - aha - why ?
14:38 < jsaw> I just read it with one eye, sth. like "coldplugging is not hotplugging", so it moved into a seperate package...
14:38 < rxr> aha ...
14:39 < rxr> good that we do not rely on this package
14:39 < jsaw> yep
14:40 < rxr> guess I next need to find some company that need a full emebdded STL to full implement what is missing to make hotplug++ more robust ,-)
14:41 < jsaw> hehe
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14:48 < CIA-9> jsaw * r10360 /trunk/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
14:48 < CIA-9> * cleanup: remove non-working distcd target and accompanying
14:48 < CIA-9>  misc/target files
14:48 < CIA-9>  (To be redone based on livecd ... somewhen in future...)
14:48 < CIA-9> rene * r10361 /trunk/ (misc/target/functions.in target/livecd/build_image.sh): 
14:48 < CIA-9> * implemented copy_and_parse_from_source and let the livecd use it
14:48 < CIA-9>  for the rootfs overlay
14:50 < CIA-9> rene * r10362 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista.perm: * fixed typo in archivista/rootfs/home/archivista.perm
14:52 < CIA-9> sebastian * r10363 /trunk/package/network/rt2570/ (dist.patch postlinux.conf rt2570.desc): * fixed file outside basedir in stage 1
14:55 < CIA-9> jsaw * r10364 /trunk/target/bootdisk/ (7 files in 2 dirs): 
14:55 < CIA-9> * next target/bootdisk steps:
14:55 < CIA-9> * devfs=nomount as kernel option
14:55 < CIA-9> * add udev (with dietlibc) to initrd
14:55 < CIA-9> TODO: redo target based on livecd/archivista...
15:00 < CIA-9> rene * r10365 /trunk/target/livecd/ (10 files in 4 dirs): 
15:00 < CIA-9> * removed debugging conditionals form the live build*.sh
15:00 < CIA-9> * added more rootfs files to overlay pre-configuration
15:00 < CIA-9> * removed obsolete build_stage2 from ROCK times ...
15:03 < CIA-9> rene * r10366 /trunk/target/archivista/ (build.sh pkgsel): 
15:03 < CIA-9> * removed debugging conditinoal from archivista/build.sh, likewise
15:03 < CIA-9> * added perl-dbd-mysql and perl-dbi needed for the archivista server
15:03 < CIA-9>  side perl scripts
15:07 < karasz> cu guys
15:07 < karasz> have to go now
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15:08 < CIA-9> rene * r10367 /trunk/target/archivista/TODO: * updated archivista todo
15:14 < jsaw> rxr: archivista and livecd seem to share a lot... will you put those into misc/target sooner or later?
15:15 < rxr> well - I do not think they share much ...
15:15 < rxr> the real code went into livecd and misc/target
15:15 < rxr> the rootfs does not really share much
15:16 < jsaw> but stuff like "build_*"? Isn't this similiar?
15:16 < rxr> the archivista source the livecd ones ...
15:16 < rxr> mostly that is ...
15:17 < rxr> only the build.sh has a few lines of duplicates ...
15:17 < rxr> but not too much more then the usual pkgloop and friends ...
15:18 < rxr> but on the other hand: if we make the install or live a selectable config option to be applied to nearly any build, those would go into misc/target or so ...
15:18 < jsaw> ic
15:18 < jsaw> still some steps to pass... 
15:21 < rxr> we could also wait to factor those out until 2.3 ...
15:21 < rxr> and release 2.2 some time soon
15:21 < jsaw> hmmm.... might be necessary now that devfs is more or less gone
15:22 < rxr> is it in linux-kernel HEAD ?
15:25 < jsaw> not 100% sure, but there's for example this in 2.6.13-rc1:
15:25 < jsaw> [MTD] mtdchar.c: Replace DEVFS by udev
15:28 < jsaw> have to go, cu
15:29 < morfoh> cu jsaw 
15:30 < rxr> cu jsaw 
15:30 < rxr> nice to see you more often again here ,-)
15:30 < rxr> hi morfoh 
15:39 < morfoh> hi rxr 
15:45 < morfoh> have to go too ... cu later 
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15:55 < rxr> we get a few more perl- modules in some minutes 
16:05 < rxr> 6 I think
16:07 < minto> :-( ltrace won't build on noisy in 32 bits.
16:15 < minto> http://multimach.dyndns.org/t2/trunk/regressions/reference-32/regressions.html
16:22 < rxr> hm
16:40 < CIA-9> rene * r10368 /trunk/package/perl/ (15 files in 5 dirs): 
16:40 < CIA-9> * added perl-digest-md5 (1.8)
16:40 < CIA-9> * added perl-crypt-des (2.03)
16:40 < CIA-9> * added perl-mail-sendmail (0.79)
16:40 < CIA-9> * added perl-image-size (2.992)
16:40 < CIA-9> * added perl-mime-base64 (1.00)
16:46 < CIA-9> rene * r10369 /trunk/target/archivista/pkgsel: * added just added and required perl modules to the archivista target
16:48 < mtr> re
16:50 < mtr> morfoh: around ?
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16:50 < rxr> mtr: nope - he left some time ago; but wanted to come back
16:50 < morfoh> re hi
16:50 < rxr> hehehe - ...
16:50 < rxr> 16:50 < mtr> morfoh: around ?
16:51 < morfoh> you're talking about me ?
16:51 < rxr> 16:50 < rxr> mtr: nope - he left some time ago; but wanted to come back
16:51 < morfoh> what's up my friends ?
16:51 < mtr> morfoh: have some trouble with openssl now, shared libs are not build any more :(
16:52 < morfoh> oops 
16:52 < mtr> oeehm, i guess some dietlibc and openssl confopt changes are guilty for this ...
16:53 < mtr> the current confopt string is: "shared no-shared no-dso no-threads"
16:53 < morfoh> ok ... I'll take a look
16:53 < mtr> and i have set SDECFG_DIETLIBC_openssl='0'
16:54 < morfoh> and it's still injecting the diet confopts?
16:54 < mtr> take a look into base/dietlibc/pkg_openssl_post.conf
16:55 < morfoh> ok we could add a check if dietlibc is the default libc ?
16:55 < morfoh> or do you have another quick proposal
16:56 < mnemoc_> 7~moin
16:56 < morfoh> moin mnemoc_ 
16:56 < rxr> moin mnemoc_ 
16:56 < mtr> take a look into pkg_zlib_post.conf, i would vote for some checks like this
16:56 < mtr> hi mnemoc_ 
16:56 < morfoh> ok
16:56 < minto> hi mnemoc
16:57 < mnemoc_> hi rxr, minto, morfoh 
16:57 < morfoh> mtr: ok ... that's looking good ... I'll change it to a similar check
17:01 < CIA-9> rene * r10370 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/ (opt/gnome2/gdm/gdm.conf pam.d/gdm-autologin): 
17:01 < CIA-9> * fixed typo in archivista/.../gdm-autologin
17:01 < CIA-9> * updated archivista/.../gdm.conf
17:04 < rxr> mnemoc_: do you allow groupped commits such as r10368
17:04 < rxr> or should I increase the commit graph the next time ?
17:05  * rxr soon away btw.
17:05 < morfoh> cu rxr 
17:06 < rxr> soon not now ,-)
17:06 < rxr> but thanks
17:06 < morfoh> okok :)
17:07 < morfoh> rxr: it was just for the case I'll miss your "good bye" ;)
17:07 < mnemoc_> rxr: commit grouped if you are sure that i'll merge it complete :)
17:07 < rxr> I assume they will not go into 2.1 some time soon ...
17:08 < mnemoc_> how were your vacations?
17:09 < rxr> was only an ext. weekend
17:09 < rxr> my holiday comes the next two weeks
17:10 < mnemoc_> is this a vacation inside the holidays? :)
17:11 < rxr> I can not flloo
17:11 < rxr> w
17:11 < rxr> follow ...
17:12 < mnemoc_> holiday [work] holiday
17:12 < rxr> I'm still working in switzerland if you mean that
17:12 < rxr> no - working too much - collecting susan in german over a long weekend and continue working and then holiday
17:12 < mnemoc_> aha
17:12 < rxr> ok so - now I'm away
17:12 < mnemoc_> how is archivista going?
17:12 < morfoh> mtr: == 07/20/05 19:09:16 =[9]=> Finished building package openssl. <-- using glibc ... I checked the injected confopts and just "shared" was set
17:12 < rxr> and back in 1 1/2 hours - I think
17:13 < morfoh> cu rxr :)
17:13 < minto> cu rxr
17:13 < rxr> mnemoc_: much work but going on - I hope they are happy with the progress ...
17:13 < rxr> so cu
17:13 < mnemoc_> cu rxr
17:15 < CIA-9> amery * r10371 /branches/2.1/package/base/dietlibc/ (5 files in 2 dirs): * fixed copyright notes on dietlibc
17:15 < morfoh> mtr: ./Configure --prefix=/usr --openssldir=/etc/ssl linux-elf no-threads no-shared no-dso <-- dietlibc target
17:16 < morfoh> mtr: so I guess the changes were successful
17:17 < mtr> morfoh: good :) you'll commit the changes?
17:18 < morfoh> mtr: of course ;)
17:22 < morfoh> mtr: can't commit now... screwed up my svn ;)
17:23 < morfoh> mtr: give me 5-10min.
17:24 < mtr> morfoh: don't hurry, this issue has not highest priority
17:24 < morfoh> mtr: ok ... but anyway I need my svn back :)
17:25 < mnemoc_> :)
17:25 < morfoh> mnemoc_: :)
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17:47 < _Ragnar_> rxr: you here?
17:57 < CIA-9> amery * r10372 /branches/2.1/package/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * added missing copyright notes on zlib and psmisc
18:09 < CIA-9> amery * r10373 /branches/2.1/package/base/howtos/ (howtos.conf howtos.desc): 
18:09 < CIA-9> * merged 9192 from trunk: updated howtos (20050529) - version the download, mini HOWTOs removed, cleaned to use match_source_file
18:09 < CIA-9> * merged 10350 from trunk: updated howtos (20050529 -> 20050719) - changed to use the versioned file
18:11 < CIA-9> amery * r10374 /branches/2.1/package/base/lm_sensors/lm_sensors.desc: * merged 9159 from trunk: updated lm_sensors (2.9.0 -> 2.9.1)
18:15 < mnemoc_> there is anything on xorg to play with refresh rates and resolutions 'on the fly'?
18:16 < minto> mnemoc_: I have the mimetype stuff I mentioned before done. Could you do a review before I commit it?
18:18 < mnemoc_> sure
18:20 < minto> You can find 2 mimetype diffs here:
18:20 < minto> http://multimach.dyndns.org/t2/trunk/regressions/
18:28 < mnemoc_> looks ok
18:28 < mnemoc_> is it ok to you?
18:29 < minto> yes, I even end up with mime.types and mailcap files :-)
18:29 < minto> I will commit.
18:30 < minto> It is not intrusive anyway.
18:33 < minto> hehe, discovered an error. /etc/mialcap needs to filtered out of flists as well.
18:39 < mnemoc_> yep
18:55 < minto> Hmm, there is even more wrong. 
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19:14 < CIA-9> amery * r10375 /branches/2.1/package/x11/ddcxinfo/: * added ddcxinfo (0.6.12) from trunk
19:15 < CIA-9> rene * r10376 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/sbin/init.d/system: 
19:15 < CIA-9> * readded remounting / to the archivista init.d/system - I removed it
19:15 < CIA-9>  for the live version to notice the installed system needs it, of
19:15 < CIA-9>  course
19:17 < CIA-9> amery * r10377 /branches/2.1/target/mnemosyne/pkgsel/Desktop/KDE.qt.choice: * merged 10290 from trunk: added "No KDE, but QT" kde choice on mnemosyne
19:41 < CIA-9> chris * r10378 /trunk/package/base/dietlibc/pkg_openssl_post.conf: * fixed the injection of the proper confopts
19:42 < morfoh> mtr_: finaly here it is .
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21:08 < veki> mnemoc: hi
21:10 < veki> I have three partitiotns on my computer , two ext3 and one swap.  ONe ext3 partition si full and t2 is not going to write on other that is empty one.
21:11 < veki> How can I set t2 so that it writes on all available partitions
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21:18 < morfoh> hi REdOG 
21:18 < morfoh> gentoo in da house ?
21:29 < keinek> hi
21:30 < morfoh> moin secretary of gaming ;)
21:31 < keinek> :)
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21:39 < keinek> in argentina is the "Friend Day"
21:49 < CIA-9> chris * r10379 /trunk/package/security/vserver/vserver.desc: * updated util-vserver (0.30.204 -> 0.30.208) which fixes some build issues with dietlibc
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22:08 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0-rc1 RELEASED | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/
22:08 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Tue Jun 21 16:27:15 2005]
22:08 [Users #t2]
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22:10 -!- sepp [~sepp@p213.54.222.63.tisdip.tiscali.de] has joined #t2
22:10 < sepp> hi *
22:11 < CIA-9> sebastian * r10380 /trunk/package/security/loop-aes/ (loop-aes.desc loop-aes_26.diff): * changed loop-aes to work with 2.6.12
22:14 < morfoh> hi sepp :)
22:14 < sepp> hi morfoh :-)
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22:25 < morfoh> sepp: loop-aes fixed ... hope it wasnÄt that bad ;)
22:30 < sepp> i hope it does not break on 2.6.12.4
22:32 < morfoh> yes ... me to. so it wasn't easy to fix I guess
22:32 < morfoh> too
22:32  * karasz needs some sleep...
22:32 < morfoh> karasz: do it like veki ... he has a bed in his office :)
22:32 < karasz> hi morfoh :)
22:33 < morfoh> hi
22:33 < karasz> actualy i do have a bed in my office..
22:33 < karasz> just that i do not like it very much
22:33 < morfoh> :D
22:33 < sepp> and a grilfriend with tokenring?
22:34 < karasz> did not get that... gf with tokenring...
22:34 < karasz> ?
22:34 < morfoh> sepp: yes :)
22:34 < sepp> never mind
22:34 < morfoh> sepp: we should snip the irc log with that story ...
22:34 < sepp> lol
22:35 < karasz> :-?
22:35 < sepp> sometimes this channel is just crazy
22:35 < morfoh> sepp: this was really funny :)
22:35 < karasz> anyway a good night to you all
22:35 < morfoh> good night karasz 
22:35 < sepp> sleep well
22:35 < morfoh> sepp: ack ...
22:35 < karasz> thanks
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22:38 < morfoh> sepp: but I like this crazy channel and it's people :)
22:39 < sepp> me too
22:39 < morfoh> :)
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22:41 < veki> hi
22:41 < sepp> hi veki 
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22:43 < veki> hi how arsepp hi
22:43 < veki> howa re you
22:43 < sepp> normal
22:43 < morfoh> hey veki .... how is our vampire ?
22:44 < veki> since I am planning to wrte handbook t2 for dummies :-) I am practsising installation and what average user may ask during installation proces
22:44 < morfoh> sepp: define normal 
22:44 < veki> it i snot the most exciting thing in t2, but it is important tthat users are not frustrated at the begining
22:45 < veki> vampire will tonight have t2 -thirsty session
22:45 < veki> :-)
22:45 < sepp> morfoh: hmm dont know just not very bad/good
22:46 < morfoh> veki: good appetite
22:46 < veki> uhm, normal is relative term
22:46 < morfoh> sepp: don't worry .. I#ll not ask anymore ;)
22:46 < veki> Ah, yes, thanks, I willpractise installation of t2 and jot down what mistakes average user may do
22:46 < sepp> i like smalltalk, but only the lang.
22:47 < morfoh> sepp: :)
22:47 < veki> there was dinner and Merlin Monore met Alber Einstein and asked hi to think about possibility ho wthe child will look like if they two will have child.  Indeed, M. Monroe said that child may be nice as she is and smart as A. Einstein is.
22:48 < veki> Due to his sense for relativity he said that it is possible that child may be nice as he is and smart as she is. :-)
22:50 < sepp> hehe
22:51 < sepp> this would make a cockroach?
22:51 < veki> maybe
22:51 < morfoh> :D
22:52 < veki> A. Einstein said that there are two things that are limitless or are tending to reach eternity
22:52 < veki> First one is universe, the second one is human stupidity.  But he said, that he is not sure yet for the universe that it does not have borders :-)
22:53 < morfoh> veki: :)
22:53 < veki> :-)
22:53 < veki> I think that A. Einstein is right
22:53 < sepp> ack
22:53 < morfoh> veki: how about becoming our "secretary of story telling" ?
22:53 < morfoh> :)
22:54 < veki> ah yes, I can :-)
22:54 < morfoh> veki: we know :)
22:54 < veki> there the smartest men in the world are Einstein, Zweistein and Dreistein
22:54 < veki> :-)
23:04 < morfoh> what a world ... a israeli settler has stabed a 12 years old palestinian boy which died :(
23:04 < veki> uuh, that is bad
23:07 < veki> maybe I am naive although I am 40 years old, but pople shoud be by default happy when seeing child, nature, happiness, playful doggy etc.
23:07 < morfoh> veki: I think Einstein missed a third thing ... the greed of humans
23:07 < veki> Humankind it seems to me does have often seriou sbugs in brain kernel
23:08 < veki> yes, greed is also limitless.  I a know to bake bread and I am happy with it
23:08 < morfoh> veki: I think the bug isn't inside the brain ...
23:08 < veki> so where is th ebug?
23:08 < morfoh> veki: the environment 
23:09 < veki> yes, but problem is that it is very hard to set environment variable
23:09 < morfoh> veki: ack
23:09 < morfoh> veki: most people think they are read only 
23:09 < morfoh> veki: and they will never try
23:10 < veki> yes, that is bad, they do not know anything about social responsibility
23:10 < morfoh> veki: but it's no wonder. the bug is there since 5000 years
23:11 < morfoh> and the "bug" is becoming fatter and fatter 
23:11 < veki> hm, yes, but thre are  good people as you ae guys!
23:12 < veki> bug is becoming monster!
23:13 < morfoh> veki: it is a monster since long time
23:14 < veki> ah yes, I know that, I was bombed :(
23:14 < morfoh> veki: yes :(
23:15 < veki> and we have been told by th ebombers that cluster bombs and bombs with depleted uranium are for the development of democracy and human rights
23:17 < morfoh> veki: did you hear that the german police has frozen a bank account and confiscated computers etc. from an organization that supports Milosevic ?
23:17 < veki> hm, that is strange, do they have right to say something?
23:18 < morfoh> veki: they have no proofs ... but they'll everything to hide the true story behind the war
23:19 < veki> yes, even UN reports in th ebeginning of the war said that there were ore than 40 countries supling clashing parties with weapons
23:20 < morfoh> veki: yes... big bucks were calling
23:21 < veki> yes, even in eighties terrorists from various organisations from UK, USA< France, were coming to prepare terrorisrt attacks in order to trigger the conflicts
23:23 < morfoh> veki: take a look at the political "son" of Milosovic at the place where you've been born ... is that "democracy"  ?
23:24 < veki> yes, I agree with you
23:24 < veki> so-called democratic government here do want to withdraw indictment against NATO because they bombed us against international law
23:24 < morfoh> veki: and you'll not find any story about it in the mainstream media
23:26 < veki> yes, media are controleed and athey filter news
23:28 < veki> one t2 question. OK?
23:29 < veki> I started installation of t2 on machine on which was another Linux i.e. Mandrake.  I come to the stone and I am asked wheteher I would install full or minimal system
23:30 < morfoh> veki: do you intend to install t2 on a different partition ?
23:31 < veki> then, it sasked me do I want to un mount file  system and reboot.  If i say yes, it reboots and starts Lilo of previous Linux on the machine whi of course, breaks because there is new system to be installed
23:31 < veki> No, I am doing new clean installation on the system where there was previously another Linux
23:32 < morfoh> veki: you've to configure lilo
23:33 < veki> that is lilo of prevoius Linux, not of t2, so I did not start to extract packages on HD
23:39 < veki> hm, excusem I am tired so I overlooked some thngs, I am proceeding, i will ask for wuestions If I will need
23:40 < sepp> good night *
23:40 < veki> it started,
23:40 < morfoh> good night sepp ... sleep well
23:40 < veki> good night sepp, I hope that my stories made your evening better
23:41 < veki> :-)
23:46 < veki> installation goes OK so far
23:51 < veki> uhm, I am now at thye GRUB configuration part,  what i sthe first step
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