T2 IRC Log: 2005-07-26

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--- Log opened Tue Jul 26 00:00:00 2005
00:05 < karasz> kul
00:05 < karasz> killed svn
00:05 < karasz> now it say must use cleanup
00:05 < karasz> even kuler
00:05 < karasz> i read svn help cleanup
00:06 < karasz> after issuing ofcourse
00:06 < karasz> it say that it will resume operation :)))))))
00:06 < karasz> guys i cannot take it anymore
00:07 < karasz> i must sleap so the libc.a stuff will have to wait for tommorow
00:07 < karasz> sorry
00:07 < karasz> :(
00:08 < mnemoc> np
00:08 < karasz> sleap???
00:09 < karasz> i ment sleep :(
00:09 < karasz> anyway cu guys tommorow, or today as it is 1:09 AM here
00:09 < karasz> cu
00:10 < karasz> i came back cause svn is done
00:11 < mnemoc> pff
00:11 < karasz> i will make it now
00:11 < karasz> :)
00:11 < mnemoc> the cleanup
00:11 < karasz> svn up scripts should not take much I guess
00:11 < karasz> it is done
00:14 < karasz> mnemoc:
00:14 < karasz> now i have 2 checks for libc.a
00:14 < karasz> ???
00:15 < mnemoc> svn diff
00:15 < mnemoc> and svn st
00:16 < karasz> but i just made a svn up scripts/
00:16 < karasz> that means that on your server there are 2 checks for libc.a?
00:17 < karasz> svn st?
00:18 < karasz> what does that mean?
00:18 < mnemoc> you may have a conflict there
00:18 < karasz> who doesn't like who?
00:20 < karasz> i made a new svn up scripts/
00:20 < karasz> now in Check i have only one copy for libc.a
00:20 < karasz> but it is with the referention to FAQ
00:22 < karasz> anyway now it seems korect
00:22 < karasz> http://pastebin.com/320603
00:23 < karasz> off i go before i make another nonsense....
00:23 < karasz> cu guys tommorow
00:23 < karasz> by
00:23 < karasz> bye
00:24 < mnemoc> thanks, bye
00:25 < mnemoc> karasz: your patch doesn't apply here
00:25 < mnemoc> karasz: but i'll add the code anyway
00:28 < CIA-9> amery * r10684 /branches/nestedtargets/Check-System:
00:28 < CIA-9> Nagy Karoly Gabriel :
00:28 < CIA-9> * added paranoia checks for libc.a
00:29 < morfoh> .oO( I guess we had too sane systems we were building on before )o :p
00:51 < CIA-9> sebastian * r10685 /trunk/package/filesystem/jfsutils/jfsutils.desc: * updated jfsutils (1.1.7 -> 1.1.8)
00:56 < morfoh> good night folks and old pioneers ... cu tomorrow :)
00:57 < sepp_> sleep well
01:00 < madtux> night morfoh
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01:12 < morfoh> was just grepping through my mails ... but now I'm really off.. thanks sepp_ + madtux ... happy hacking :)
01:22 < madtux> ok
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01:40 < mnemoc> re
01:41 < mnemoc> yuck.... i commited libc.a thing to nestedtarget branch :\
01:44 < sepp_> good night #t2
01:44 < CIA-9> amery * r10686 /trunk/scripts/Check-System: * merged 10684 from nestedtarget: added paranoia checks for libc.a
01:49 < mnemoc> gn8 sepp_
01:54 < mnemoc> madtux: after i merge some changes from nestedtargets branch, Config will autoapply target/$target/pkgsel.sed
01:57 < CIA-9> amery * r10687 /trunk/scripts/functions: * added get_expanded and get_reverted to scripts/functions (from nestedtargets branch)
02:00 < CIA-9> amery * r10688 /trunk/scripts/config.func: * added get_reverted function to scripts/config.func (from nestedtargets branch)
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02:09 < Veki> hi
02:11 < mnemoc> hi
02:12 < Veki> mnemoc: I am trying to build again generic target. I have chosen template minimalistic with X org and basic desktop.
02:12 < Veki> I am just wondering about reason why kde have not built OK in previous attempt
02:13 < Veki> are there any special tweaking of gcc or so in Config dialog?
02:13 < mnemoc> i haven't tried that template since long time ago, i think it's very out of sync
02:14 < Veki> what you recommend?
02:15 < mnemoc> try mnemosyne with kde
02:15 < mnemoc> if you want kde :)
02:15 < mnemoc> or desktop
02:16 < mnemoc> desktop is easier because it's more standard
02:16 < mnemoc> mnemosyne is less standard but minimalistic
02:16 < Veki> hm, my idea is to build target that will have GUI and audio applications and I will later on include radio applications so it can be on-air target
02:17 < mnemoc> ...
02:18 < mnemoc> take the package selection plugins from mnemosyne and extends generic/minimal :)
02:18 < Veki> thus, I chosen generic as general with no specific selections and I can build on it what i sneeded without too much office packages etc.
02:18 < mnemoc> generic without template is _big_
02:18 < Veki> uhm...
02:19 < Veki> yes, thus I use only with X and basic desktop
02:19 < Veki> OK, I will try and let you know. It is straneg that the basic failure is with kde-arts which is one fo the first kde packages and it failed due to gcc problem
02:20 < Veki> the rest of packages failed due to missing kde-config package...
02:20 < mnemoc> i guess kde-arts was never intended to be on that template
02:20 < Veki> hm, you think that kde is occasionally there or mistakenly?
02:20 < mnemoc> kde doesn't fit on anything called 'minimal'
02:20 < mnemoc> i think it got in due to package relocations
02:21 < Veki> hm, but it tried to build it without my previous intervention. So, you think that package list is wrong or so
02:22 < mnemoc> those templates are out of sync
02:22 < mnemoc> they shouldn't be used if you don't want to fix them
02:22 < Veki> hm, so you recommedn me using desktop
02:22 < Veki> I do not know to fix them :(
02:22 < Veki> OK, I will try desktop
02:23 < mnemoc> on desktop you can try your packages until you do your own target
02:25 < Veki> OK, I am right now configuring desktop
02:28 < mnemoc> do you feel more confortable with T2 now?
02:28 < Veki> ah yes,
02:29 < Veki> actually, it is always several trial and error combination
02:29 < mnemoc> :)
02:30 < Veki> actually, it is like any system, you have to work on it in order to be familiar and to make you happy. I like t2 very much and it makes me happy despite all failures
02:32 < CIA-9> amery * r10689 /trunk/scripts/parse-config: * merged 9591 from nestedtargets: changed parse-config to detect targetchain
02:32 < Veki> as you have seen these days I am awake untill 4AM or so. SHould I be awake so long if something does not attract me.
02:32 < mnemoc> T2 is fun :)
02:33 < Veki> ah, yes, it is
02:33 < Veki> it is 2 AM here and I am awake. I will be awake one hour more in order to be sure that BUild process started
02:33 < Veki> downloading is going on and I think that it will be very fast since my link is very fast
02:38 < _Ragnar_> uhm did the rocknet config syntax change?
02:39 < Veki> mnemoc: SHould download of desktop target download only packages that are not downloaded by generic so it does not need to download all packages again
02:39 < Veki> Hi Ragnar
02:39 < _Ragnar_> hi
02:40 < Veki> what's up in SD?
02:40 < _Ragnar_> not much
02:40 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: 'Unknown statement in config file: ip' ????
02:41 < Veki> Ragnar:is it sunny?
02:41 < _Ragnar_> yes
02:41 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: ?
02:41 < Veki> I met yesterday some my friends who live in Florida. they have troubles with hurricanes
02:42 < _Ragnar_> 173840 < _Ragnar_> uhm did the rocknet config syntax change?
02:42 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: no...
02:43 < _Ragnar_> then why is ip <...>/<..> an unknown statement now?
02:45 < Veki> I will be back in a minute
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02:50 < veki> hi
02:52 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: i guess the module wasn't loaded for some reason
02:53 < _Ragnar_> hmm
02:53 < _Ragnar_> and how would I make it load?
02:54 < mnemoc> rocknet suppose to load all modules from modules dir
02:59 < CIA-9> amery * r10690 /trunk/scripts/Download: * merged 9592 from nestedtargets: changed Download to detect and use $targetchain
02:59 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: iproute2 should install it's rocknet module.... maybe you missed that
03:02 < _Ragnar_> ok I'll check
03:03 < _Ragnar_> w0rd
03:03 < _Ragnar_> that's it O_O but I had iproute2 installed O_O
03:04 < mnemoc> is the module installed?
03:13 < _Ragnar_> it was, and is
03:13 < _Ragnar_> but the old module didn't seem to work
03:14 < mnemoc> uhm
03:19 < CIA-9> amery * r10691 /trunk/scripts/config.in:
03:19 < CIA-9> * changed config.in to load config.in before applying target/pkgsel
03:19 < CIA-9> * improved config.in to autoapply target/pkgsel.{sed,awk,in}
03:26 < CIA-9> amery * r10692 /trunk/scripts/config.in: * implemented nested targets on scripts/config.in
03:34 < CIA-9> amery * r10693 /trunk/scripts/ (Build-Pkg functions):
03:34 < CIA-9> * changed detect_patches to inherite patches from targetchain (in reverted order)
03:34 < CIA-9> * changed build_package and Build-Pkg to look at the targetchain for pkg_$pkg.conf and pkg-header
03:37 < CIA-9> amery * r10694 /trunk/scripts/Build-Tools: * merged 9595,10485 from nestedtargets: changed Build-Tools to look for wrappers and parse-configs on the targetchain (on reverted order)
03:39 < CIA-9> amery * r10695 /trunk/scripts/Build-Target: * merged 9597 from nestedtargets: changed Build-Target to look for build.sh on the targetchain
04:12 < veki> mnemoc: I started to build desktop target. so far it goes well :)
04:12 < mnemoc> :)
04:21 < mnemoc> i test 4 target, boot, generic, generic/minimal and desktop
04:21 < mnemoc> 5, y forgot mnemosyne :)
04:21 < mnemoc> i
04:22 < veki> OK, I have tried boot target and built flawlessly I must say. I have had difficulties with menmosyne and generic with X and basic desktop. I will check desktop these days.
04:25 < veki> I have not tried generic minimal :(
04:26 < mnemoc> minimal is the only tested template
04:27 < veki> hm, hm, I am sorry that I am not enoigh skilled to correct templates
04:27 < mnemoc> yet
04:28 < veki> Yes, yet. BUt, one day..... It is 4.30AM here and I have to go now. I am not going to sleep as you may guess. I am going to other town to meet guy who may be willing tu support project of building Linux for Romani people.
04:30 < mnemoc> good luck
04:30 < mnemoc> can't you ask unesco for support that project?
04:30 < mnemoc> supporting*
04:31 < veki> ah, yes, I have had meeting with unesco people. They will give me a letter of support, but procedure for money is very long, it takes months...
04:32 < mnemoc> i imagine
04:33 < veki> ah, yes, they are very slow, and even worse, Microsoft gave money to unesco which means less space for us...
04:34 < mnemoc> :|
04:35 < veki> yes, unfortunately...
04:36 < veki> I think that I will receive support for localization on Romani language. I want to include t2 flavor in that and to get you here for a couple of days at least
04:41 < veki> it is dawn here. I have to go to catch the bus. One sleepless night more. SO, you know now why morfoh call me vampire
04:41 < veki> :)
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05:21 < mnemoc> gn8 *
06:37 < keinek> gn8 mnemoc
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07:56 < CIA-9> msluis * r10696 /trunk/scripts/functions: * Added zip support and custextract. (solved issue #21)
07:57 < CIA-9> msluis * r10697 /trunk/package/java/junit/junit.conf: * JUnit uses new automatic zip extraction.
08:00 < CIA-9> msluis * r10698 /trunk/package/java/java-dirtree/zip-extract.conf:
08:00 < CIA-9> * Due to inclusiong of automatic zip extraction, this file is no
08:00 < CIA-9> longer needed.
09:52 < karasz> hello guys
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09:59 < morfoh> moin
10:00 < karasz> hohoho morfoh :D
10:01 < karasz> i thought you are busy with your stuff, but i see you online always :D
10:01 < morfoh> oh my .... no we've to Santa's :D
10:01 < morfoh> now
10:01 < karasz> anyway, a good day to you
10:02 < morfoh> arrg ... I cannot write this morning :)
10:02 < morfoh> thanks karasz ...same for you
10:02 < karasz> i am happy tro anounce that boot rescue finaly built on PCLinuxOS
10:02 < morfoh> :)
10:02 < karasz> at least i do not have an err message on my screen
10:03 < karasz> now i should try a mnemosyne with kde
10:03 < karasz> at least that is what i picked up this morning from a conversation between mnemoc_ and veki
10:03 < karasz> morfoh: waht do you think?
10:30 < morfoh> karasz: yeah ... mnemosyne is a fine thing ... I used it here on my laptop and in fact I've done the simple KDE "integration" on it.
10:30 < karasz> so i should try it since is more tested than the other targets?
10:31 < karasz> should i add optimization for p3 or no....
10:31 < morfoh> no!
10:31 < morfoh> do it ;)
10:31 < morfoh> it's mature
10:32 < morfoh> karasz: but ... it's possible that you'll run into some dependency problems. but these are minor issues and it would be nice to solve it together ;)
10:32 < karasz> my first target that buit was without ompyims..
10:32 < karasz> ok
10:32 < karasz> let's go then
10:32 < karasz> ;)
10:32 < morfoh> I mean ... the dep problems are mostly within the kde part ...
10:32 < morfoh> :)
10:32 < karasz> ompyims?
10:33 < karasz> what the hack was that???
10:33 < morfoh> but I've some "solutions" here on my working copy anyway ;)
10:41 < karasz> what does copy cache files of mnemoc's ....mean?
10:41 < karasz> should I activate it?
10:45 < morfoh> karasz: leave it disabled
10:48 < karasz> should I post on my site the config?
10:48 < karasz> before i do a dld?
10:51 < morfoh> karasz: no ... I think you don't have to do so ;)
10:52 < morfoh> karasz: mnemosyne should build quite fine out of the box. me and mnemoc_ doing regular builds of it anyway because we're the "main users" of it atm ;)
10:52 < morfoh> karasz: and in fact it's a very fine target for servers too
10:52 < morfoh> karasz: I run some servers with it without any mojor problems
10:52 < morfoh> major
11:11 < karasz> oki doki hit the download button :)
11:11 < morfoh> :)
11:12 < karasz> guess i will do more sanitizing today...
11:12 < morfoh> karasz: do whetever will improve our system :)
11:13 < karasz> i will i will don't worry :D
11:14 < CIA-9> chris * r10699 /trunk/package/security/strongswan/strongswan.desc: * updated strongswan (2.4.4 -> 2.5.0rc0)
11:16 < karasz> morfoh: yesterday i got my beacon slapt by mnemoc :D
11:17 < karasz> or should i say master mnemoc?
11:18 < morfoh> karasz: master mnemoc is a very decent person, so he dislikes any term what suggests that he is a very good one ;)
11:18 < karasz> oki i won't do it anymore...
11:19 < morfoh> karasz: but anyway nobody can force you to do so ...
11:19 < karasz> and master doesn't suggest a good person anyway...
11:19 < karasz> it sugests a very skillful one which isn't the same ;)
11:20 < morfoh> karasz: ack ... in the case of colonialism that's more than true
11:21 < karasz> anyway mr. mnemoc said that he must think abt the changes is suggested to Check_System yesterday
11:22 < karasz> does it realy means that he must think or my suggestions are rubbish but he was to kind to tell me taht?
11:24 < karasz> because i prefer something like "your stuff sucks, throw it in the dumpster and re-think it up from the ground" kind of aproach
11:24 < morfoh> karasz: dunno ... I compare him sometime with a good diplomat. and I think he will tell you the facts and if he dislikes sth. he will tell you that straight in the face ;)
11:25 < morfoh> so don't think about it further .... ask him directly :)
11:25 < karasz> a good diplomat doesn't say such things
11:25 < karasz> a good diplomat will tell you I must think it over ....
11:26 < karasz> i will let him breathe for a couple of days
11:26 < morfoh> karasz: it's just my view for a good diplomat ... not the common perhaps
11:26 < karasz> i do not want to take his air too much
11:26 < karasz> :D
11:27 < morfoh> karasz: good man :)
11:27 * karasz is thinking if a good parrot can meake a good man ...
11:27 < morfoh> karasz: mnemoc_ has a very high load atm ... so we should support him as much as possible
11:28 < karasz> i know
11:28 < karasz> that is why i do not want to boder him at the moment with that
11:28 < morfoh> karasz: good parrot :)
11:28 < karasz> anyway the important thing is that the script got updated with info
11:29 < karasz> internal working of the script can wait i guess
11:30 < morfoh> karasz: ack ... most important is our rc work ... anyway 2.1 will have a short "live"
11:32 < karasz> is coming stong?
11:33 < morfoh> stong ?
11:33 < karasz> stong=strong i guess
11:33 < morfoh> what do you mean ?
11:33 < karasz> or it will be 3.0?
11:33 < morfoh> no! :)
11:33 < morfoh> don't worry ... it will not be that short
11:34 < morfoh> 2.1.0 will be the first "official" release
11:34 < karasz> if 2.1 will have a short live i guess it will be replaced by something else
11:34 < karasz> who comes 2.2 or 3.0?
11:34 < morfoh> karasz: but that doesn't mean that we'll not support 2.1 anymore
11:34 < karasz> ack
11:34 < morfoh> 2.2
11:35 < karasz> i am asking because i remember i saw some 3.0 stuff on the site...
11:35 < morfoh> 2.2 will be the stable version of the current trunk afaik + some new things
11:35 < karasz> but i guess right now is just in the thinking
11:36 < morfoh> karasz: ack ... the thing is. like in your company perhaps, w've to do sth. like a roadmap
11:36 < karasz> yep
11:37 < karasz> question abt www2
11:37 < morfoh> karasz: and as you might figured out ... t2 is a fairly "democratic" system ... we do a lot of discussions
11:37 < karasz> it ask for letting me a certificate
11:37 < morfoh> karasz: yes ... don't worry it's my server
11:37 < karasz> but if i say that i want to add it permanetly it doesn't work
11:37 < morfoh> and it's https only at
11:37 < morfoh> atm
11:38 < morfoh> just used it for the current session
11:38 < karasz> in that case it works but just for current session
11:38 < morfoh> if I finished my relocation I'll get some more time to work on that machine
11:38 < karasz> is it by design? ;)
11:38 < morfoh> no ;)
11:39 < morfoh> karasz: but it's a mnemosyne on it ;)
11:39 < karasz> somebidy said to me that the most important upgrade in LongHorn is the Blue Screen
11:39 < karasz> they will upgrade it to the Red Screen
11:40 < morfoh> karasz: for me BluScreens are not a new feature I discovered in Windooze
11:40 < karasz> because people get used to it and it dowesn't frighten them anymore
12:08 < CIA-9> chris * r10700 /trunk/package/network/quagga/ (. quagga.conf quagga.desc): * added quagga (0.98.4) which is a fork of zebra
13:20 < karasz> if i reissue a download required it will only check stuf right?
13:20 < karasz> it will not download again all the packs...
13:20 < morfoh> karasz: of course not ;)
13:20 < karasz> k
13:20 < morfoh> karasz: we're friendly with your international bandwidth ;)
13:21 < karasz> ????????
13:21 < karasz> why don't i have in build the new target?
13:22 < karasz> i made a config -cfg....
13:22 < morfoh> but you didn't start it I think ... right ?
13:22 < karasz> the build no
13:22 < karasz> hihihi
13:23 < morfoh> karasz: so no build there .... what a wonde :)
13:23 < morfoh> wonder
13:23 < karasz> now downloading microsoft monts packed in unknown exe extensioan
13:23 < morfoh> MS$ monkey package ?
13:24 < karasz> fonts...
13:24 < karasz> microsoft-web-core-fonts
13:24 < karasz> georgi.exe, impact.exe....
13:25 < karasz> courie.exe, comic.exe and so on...
13:25 < karasz> now i started the build..
13:26 * karasz fingers crossed :)
13:33 < CIA-9> chris * r10701 /trunk/package/network/ser/ (. ser.conf ser.desc): * added ser (0.9.3) Note: not tested yet!
13:37 < karasz> all be aware!
13:38 < karasz> karasz is scavanging through ./scripts :D
13:49 < CIA-9> chris * r10702 /trunk/package/network/ser/ (ser.conf ser.desc):
13:49 < CIA-9> * fixed ser.conf
13:49 < CIA-9> * injected Copyright notes (seems that not only minto is suffering alzheimer ;)
13:52 < karasz> yupie!
13:53 < morfoh> karasz: do you are a yupie ? :)
13:56 < karasz> nope
13:56 < karasz> found another one
13:56 < karasz> pastebin here I come
13:56 < karasz> :D
14:02 < CIA-9> chris * r10703 /trunk/package/network/gatling/gatling.desc: * fixed the maintainers mailaddress
14:08 < karasz> morfoh:
14:08 < karasz> http://pastebin.com/320997
14:08 < karasz> added check for automake
14:10 < karasz> diff made against trunk
14:10 < morfoh> karasz: please add an issue to trac with a proper "svn diff" of the changes you did. I've to move soon. So we have to check it later ;)
14:10 < karasz> i understand
14:10 < karasz> i will ad a trac issue
14:10 < karasz> ;)
14:10 < morfoh> thanks :)
14:14 < karasz> http://trac.t2-project.org/ticket/51
14:14 < karasz> it is done
14:14 < karasz> now i investigate if autoconf is needed to
14:15 < karasz> if so i will add it as a new ticket ;
14:16 < karasz> in the mean time mnemokde is building silently :)
14:18 < morfoh> :)
14:18 < morfoh> karasz: if you have some problems with kde in mnemosyne please add a ticket to and drop a mail on ML ;)
14:21 < karasz> oki, that i shall do
14:31 < morfoh> okidoki ... :)
14:32 < morfoh> I'm leaving now.
14:32 < morfoh> cu later *
14:33 < morfoh> http://www.eff.org/Privacy/printers/wp.php
14:39 < karasz> cu morfoh
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15:59 < karasz> helllo mr morfoh
15:59 < karasz> you can't stay apart can you :D
16:00 < morfoh> hello mr. karasz
16:00 * morfoh hides
16:01 < karasz> morfoh: hiding is futile
16:01 < karasz> hiding=resistance :D
16:01 < morfoh> karasz: I'm logged in but I'll not have much time for contributing ... perhaps just in the late evening/morning
16:22 < morfoh> karasz: any problems with your mnemokde ?
16:29 < karasz> not yet building slowly but steady
16:29 < karasz> :)
16:29 < karasz> now gcc
16:30 < karasz> i love this machine... :)
16:31 < karasz> i would choose a Dell over any other comp
16:31 < karasz> especialy the older ones, like this PIII
16:31 < karasz> steady as rock and for their age and cpu quite fast...
16:34 < morfoh> :)
16:34 * karasz is bragging about his comp cause he has nothing else to do while copiling T2
16:34 < morfoh> karasz: but Dell is crap ... sorry
16:34 < karasz> no errors no nothing
16:34 < karasz> why?
16:34 < morfoh> ask mnemoc_ about Dell and he can tell you a "nice" story
16:35 < karasz> if you think Dell is crap then try some China shit
16:35 < morfoh> karasz: :(
16:35 < morfoh> karasz: where do you think is Dell produced ?
16:35 < morfoh> karasz: that was not fair
16:35 < karasz> i am not talking abt customer support at all as i have no contact what so ever with them
16:36 < morfoh> Do you think Dell is produced by Dell ?
16:36 < morfoh> pfff
16:36 < karasz> i realise that dell is produced in china also but there is a big difference between noname china and brand china
16:36 < morfoh> yes ... the price for the label is different
16:37 < karasz> i am not going to convunce you otherwise, because everyone has his right to an opinion :)
16:37 < karasz> i still love this machine
16:37 < morfoh> karasz: that's for sure :)
16:38 < karasz> and i have reasons for it
16:38 < morfoh> karasz: that's you're right ... you can love what ever you want
16:38 < karasz> 1. it is the only machine that didn't cut my fingers while scrambeling its belly
16:39 < morfoh> karasz: I guess you had some old machines befor that
16:39 < karasz> 2. the only machine that i saw this far which doesn't require a screwdriver
16:39 < karasz> brand new nonames
16:39 < karasz> assembled on a shipwreck near shanghai :D
16:40 < morfoh> karasz: btw, what do you think, how many laptop producers are on this world ?
16:40 < karasz> laptops?
16:40 < morfoh> yes
16:40 < karasz> outside china?
16:40 < morfoh> world wide
16:40 < morfoh> didn't you consider china as part of the world ?
16:41 < morfoh> don't google ;)
16:41 < karasz> i don't know factories in china
16:41 < karasz> but apart from that i know only one
16:41 < karasz> here... :)
16:41 < morfoh> name ?
16:41 < karasz> ECS i guess
16:42 < karasz> wrong
16:42 < morfoh> btw, no big brand on this earth is producing their shit on their own, anyway
16:46 < karasz> that is right
16:47 < karasz> noe building strace :)
16:51 < Shingo--> I have a problem build automake. the config.log
16:51 < Shingo--> configure:2261: checking whether autoconf works
16:51 < Shingo--> configure:2268: cd conftest && eval autoconf -o /dev/null conftest.ac
16:51 < Shingo--> NONE:0: /usr/bin/m4: `changeword' from frozen file not found in builtin table!
16:51 < Shingo--> autom4te: /usr/bin/m4 failed with exit status: 1
16:51 < Shingo--> what can I do?
16:54 < morfoh> Shingo--: rc2 ?
16:54 < Shingo--> yeap. :-)
16:54 < karasz> morfoh: isn't that a version conflict of m4?
16:55 < Shingo--> I don't no, but what version I have to be?
16:56 < Shingo--> I'm try to build a system on gentoo machine, and version is 1.4.2-r1.
16:58 < morfoh> Shingo--: ok ... 1. to improve the our development speed and fixing bugs we need sth. like knowledgebase to not repeat ourselves. So please file a ticket at https://trac.t2-project.org with all detailes you wrote here in #t2.
16:59 < morfoh> this will help other people with same problems to solve their issues in faster way and reduces the load of the few contributing #t2 members I think
16:59 < Shingo--> ok.
16:59 < morfoh> :)
17:01 < morfoh> hopefully no one is misconceiving this straight words here ... but I guess it will be better for everyone of us
17:01 < karasz> somebody who knows C is around?
17:02 < morfoh> Shingo--: take a look into the #t2 archives ... I think there are some special things regarding building t2 on a gentoo host
17:02 < Shingo--> hehehe. thanks :-)
17:02 < morfoh> :)
17:04 < karasz> anyway,C source code that produce Shingo-- 's error
17:04 < karasz> http://pastebin.com/321111
17:06 < karasz> morfoh: what distro do you advise for beginers to build T2 on
17:06 < karasz> exept Debian, Mandrake, PCLinuxOS, Gentoo which all have their issues?
17:06 < karasz> RedHat is on the way out...
17:07 < karasz> Fedora i don't want to begin with its issues... :D
17:10 < karasz> Shingo--: it may be an issue of autoconf
17:11 < karasz> some version mismatch of autoconf
17:17 < karasz> Shingo--: I am no guru but you could try to upgrade autoconf and m4 on your gentoo
17:17 < karasz> and hope some guru comes along ;)
17:37 * karasz thinks that is awfull quiet in here
17:39 < mnemoc_> moin
17:39 < mnemoc_> i'll fix the issues marked for rc2 on trac and flag rc2 to start building the sample iso-s today
17:40 < mnemoc_> "add your issues now!"
17:49 < karasz> moin mnemoc_
17:49 < mnemoc_> moin karasz
17:50 < karasz> how is everything?
17:50 < mnemoc_> fine
17:51 < karasz> glad to hear that
17:53 < mnemoc_> :)
17:53 < mnemoc_> and you? how is your build going?
17:53 < karasz> slow but steady
17:53 < karasz> same old, same old
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17:53 < mnemoc_> :)
17:54 < mnemoc_> hi minto
17:54 < minto> hi all
17:54 < karasz> built boot target flawlesly now building mnemosyne with kde
17:54 < karasz> hi minto
17:54 < mnemoc_> karasz: *beware* mnemosyne is far from an standard linux
17:55 * karasz bewares now
17:55 < karasz> what dou you mean by that
17:55 < karasz> ?
17:55 < karasz> and what is a standard linux?
17:55 < Shingo--> I'm investigating the problem.
17:56 < Shingo--> I will file a ticket, if needed.
17:56 < mnemoc_> karasz: sysvinit and sysklog mainly
17:56 < mnemoc_> minto: #17?
17:57 < minto> Lemme have a look
17:57 < morfoh> moin mnemoc_ minto :)
17:57 < karasz> in that case it should broden my horizons a little I guess :)
17:57 < mnemoc_> :)
17:57 < mnemoc_> good
17:57 < minto> hey morfoh :-)
17:59 < karasz> Shingo--: look at this http://www.mail-archive.com/autoconf-patches@gnu.org/msg00203.html
17:59 < karasz> it may be usefull
17:59 < Shingo--> ok.
18:00 < minto> mnemoc_: What about #17
18:01 < morfoh> karasz: regarding the a distro I could recommend for beginners ... I think one save method is building t2 on t2. there are ISO's of t2 which could be installed on the build host. Anyway, there are also reports for successful builds on debian, but I never did it. My first experience building t2 was on gentoo but after some updates it didn't worked that smart as before ...
18:02 < karasz> :)
18:02 < keinek> hi
18:03 < karasz> hi keinek
18:03 < morfoh> hi keinek
18:03 < karasz> morfoh: I am pretty sure that T2 builds fawlessly on T2 but building on other distros is very important i guess
18:04 < mnemoc_> ack
18:05 < morfoh> karasz: ack ... no question... but you're question was for a Distro for beginners ... not for current linux users ;)
18:05 < morfoh> your
18:05 < karasz> beginers use linux too
18:05 < morfoh> at least that was my interpretation
18:05 < karasz> i know from experience :)
18:06 < mnemoc_> some linux users are as dummy as most windows users imho
18:06 < morfoh> karasz: me too ... but it's quite some time ago
18:06 < karasz> thay have all those...distro's installed
18:06 < karasz> like Mandrake, pclinux, linspire
18:06 < morfoh> karasz: then it doesn't matter if they install yet another one
18:06 < karasz> i am not worrying abt debian users or gentoo for that matter
18:07 < karasz> those are a special kind of beginers
18:07 < morfoh> but anyway ... I fully agree that a T2 build should work on other distros too
18:08 < morfoh> karasz: afaik ... gentoo is sometimes a "hard nut" because gentoo has some broken stuff
18:08 < karasz> and for that to happen, in my opinion if anybody cares there should be a docu about the exact requirements
18:08 < karasz> utils, versions and stuff like that
18:08 < morfoh> karasz: feel free to contribute :)
18:08 < karasz> sorry but for now it is out of my league
18:09 < morfoh> karasz: anyway ... I don't think so
18:09 < karasz> anyway if i can produce an usable iso i will post my config and versions somewhere
18:09 < karasz> i guess on x5.ro
18:14 < minto> mnemoc: What about #17 ?
18:15 < mnemoc_> minto: comments about it's merging?
18:16 < minto> I commited the changes to trunk only, and I think they are in 2.1 necessary as well.
18:17 < mnemoc_> which revs?
18:18 < minto> My change was committed as r10304
18:20 < mnemoc_> thanks
18:20 < mnemoc_> is it ok for merging to you?
18:20 < minto> Yepp
18:20 < mnemoc_> ok, thanks :)
18:23 < mnemoc_> minto: about unzip, i have noticed most .zip don't have a root dir, they just unpack files
18:23 < CIA-9> amery * r10704 /trunk/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * changed mysql [D] to use auth location and the mirror moved to DownloadTranslations so people can change it to a closer one (issue #37)
18:24 < mnemoc_> minto: i think we can force our unzips to do it inside a $pkg-$ver/ dir
18:25 < minto> junit has root dir, I think. let me check
18:26 < minto> Yepp, junit has rootdir
18:27 < minto> Also have a tar that does not have a rootdir (new package), how can I force a rootdir?
18:28 < mnemoc_> mkdir and unzip inside, and then append this prefix to untar.txt
18:29 < minto> I guess writing a custextract :-)
18:30 < mnemoc_> in unzip case that is the usual
18:30 < mnemoc_> so default autounzip must do it
18:31 < minto> mnemoc_: It is really usual in zip?
18:32 < mnemoc_> afaihs
18:33 < minto> mnemoc_: I just verified with a package on my todo list that comes in both zip and tar.gz. But the zip has rootdir.
18:33 < minto> http://apache.mirror.intouch.nl/jakarta/velocity/binaries/velocity-1.4/velocity-1.4.zip
18:35 < mnemoc_> it come in both, they have a different policy
18:35 < mnemoc_> .zip and .tar.gz are equivalent in that case
18:35 < mnemoc_> but anyway, it doesn't matter if you prefix because srcdir must detect the first level with files
18:36 < mnemoc_> which can be a/ or a/b/c/d/
18:37 < minto> I dunno what is best, can we leave it for later. Currently only junit is using auto zip extract.
18:37 < mnemoc_> :)
18:39 < CIA-9> amery * r10705 /trunk/package/database/mysql/mysql.desc: * updated mysql (4.1.12 -> 4.1.13)
18:39 < minto> Seems like there are only 25 zip files in t2 packages.
18:39 < minto> grep "\[D].*\.zip " package/*/*/*.desc | wc -l
18:39 < minto> 25
18:41 < mnemoc_> yes, but potentially 25 .conf to reduce significativly
18:42 < minto> lemme have a look later. Now I want to check 11 update before I have to shut noisy down :-)
18:42 < mnemoc_> :)
18:42 < mnemoc_> .oO( i want eclipse :p )o
18:43 < minto> later later
18:43 < mnemoc_> :(
18:44 < minto> Sorry had take care of Merlyn
18:45 < mnemoc_> no problemo :)
18:45 < minto> Right now I am not yet working on Eclipse :-( So you will have to wait.
18:45 < minto> or do it yourself :-)
18:46 < mnemoc_> today i went to future victoria' school... lot of money :(
18:46 < mnemoc_> i may try after 2.1.0
18:46 < mnemoc_> i need to review alllllll your java changes before :p
18:46 < minto> hehe
18:46 < mnemoc_> 526 commits pending for review :'(
18:47 < mnemoc_> 536 i mean
18:47 < minto> My biggest problem is trying to get it all java packages running without immense long CLASSPATH.
18:52 < CIA-9> msluis * r10706 /trunk/package/develop/doxygen/doxygen.desc: * updated doxygen (1.4.3 -> 1.4.4)
18:55 < CIA-9> msluis * r10707 /trunk/package/develop/oprofile/oprofile.desc: * updated oprofile (0.9 -> 0.9.1)
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19:02 < CIA-9> msluis * r10708 /trunk/package/filesystem/udev/udev.desc: * updated udev (063 -> 064)
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19:04 < mnemoc_> minto: isn't java-dirtree parseconfig doing it right with CLASSPATH?
19:06 < minto> Normally every jar being used should be on the CLASSPATH. I don't like this. I'd rather only have dirs on the CLASSPATH. So I need to find out how java can be instructed that /opt/java/lib is the default directory.
19:07 < mnemoc_> /opt/java/lib is a good-thing-to-have
19:08 < mnemoc_> and as CLASSPATH is recursive, much better
19:08 < keinek> what the F*CK! viagra on the T2 mail list?!
19:08 < minto> Keinek: What do you complain, I thought you like sex related stuff :-)
19:09 < minto> mnemoc_: I hope it all works out as I have in mind :-)
19:09 < mnemoc_> :)
19:09 < keinek> hahaha but i am a young boy :)
19:10 < CIA-9> msluis * r10709 /trunk/package/x11/gtkpod/gtkpod.desc: * updated gtkpod (0.93.1 -> 0.94.0)
19:13 < karasz> guys i am leaving now
19:13 < karasz> hopefully tommorow i will find out that mnemosyne with kde built fine on my system
19:13 < CIA-9> msluis * r10710 /trunk/package/games/wesnoth/wesnoth.desc: * updated wesnoth (0.8.11 -> 0.9.4)
19:14 < mnemoc_> karasz: :)
19:14 < karasz> so i can make the isos and embarc to the next big step
19:14 < karasz> adding a package to T2
19:14 < karasz> i already have my candidate
19:14 < karasz> LinNeighborhood
19:14 < CIA-9> amery * r10711 /branches/2.1/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * merged 10704 from trunk: changed mysql [D] to use auth location and the mirror moved to DownloadTranslations (closed #37)
19:15 < karasz> i checked it out and it has all the requirements allready in T2 package list
19:15 < karasz> so what dou you think guys?
19:16 < karasz> should I?
19:16 < minto> :-( time's up. only 5 out 11 built without problems
19:16 < karasz> morfoh: mnemoc_ minto ?
19:17 < mnemoc_> karasz: sure, why not?
19:17 < karasz> but I will need a lot of help
19:18 < karasz> tommorow is a good day for that or should I wait a little?
19:19 < karasz> until you guys sort out "i'll fix the issues marked for rc2 on trac and flag rc2 to start building the sample iso-s today"
19:19 < mnemoc_> :)
19:20 < karasz> maybe it is better if the build finalises tyhat i post on x5.ro the enviroment as i describet to morfoh
19:20 < karasz> and wait with package adding a little
19:21 < karasz> i wish to be helpfull, not a burden :)
19:22 < mnemoc_> noone is a burden
19:22 < CIA-9> amery * r10712 /trunk/package/ (attic/nedit/ attic/nedit/nedit.desc editors/nedit/): * moved nedit to attic (and disabled) until they solve their issues against current lesstif (issue #9)
19:22 < mnemoc_> maybe keinek :)
19:22 < mnemoc_> keinek: jk
19:22 < karasz> so cu guys and tommorow we will sort it out what to do
19:23 < morfoh> cu karasz
19:23 < mnemoc_> cu karasz
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19:29 < CIA-9> amery * r10713 /branches/2.1/package/ (12 files in 2 dirs): * merged 10712 from trunk: moved nedit to attic (and disabled) - (closed #9)
19:41 < minto> mnemoc: only 13 packages with zip files :-)
19:41 < minto> grep "\[D].*\.zip " package/*/*/*.desc | cut -f3 -d"/" | sort -u | wc -l
19:42 < mnemoc_> :)
19:42 < minto> One is not even commited yet
19:43 < keinek> mnemoc_, what?
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19:47 < mnemoc_> keinek: nothing.... karasz told he didn't want to be a burden i and told you are the only burden here :)
19:48 < mnemoc_> keinek: burden=lastre :p
19:48 < minto> hehe
19:48 < mnemoc_> :)
19:49 < minto> keinek: no need to be shy, he was only joking :-)
19:50 < _Ragnar_> moin moin
19:50 < mnemoc_> hi _Ragnar_
19:50 < minto> hi _Ragnar_
19:50 < _Ragnar_> hi hi
19:50 < _Ragnar_> ;)
19:50 < mnemoc_> i hope keinek understand that simply as an acid joke :)
19:51 < minto> I hope so too, I will miss the nude dancing queen
19:53 < mnemoc_> :)
19:58 < keinek> yes mnemoc_ ;)
19:58 < minto> keinek: Ahh, we already were afraid we lost you :-)
19:59 < morfoh> minto: did you ever lost a "burden" that quick :D
19:59 < keinek> i was talking with a friend in my house.
19:59 < keinek> for the radio program.
20:00 < morfoh> keinek: when we'll get a transmission from you on "TeleSUR" ?
20:01 < minto> morfoh: it will probably be in the after hours and X-rated. So your bunny (rat) should not watch.
20:02 < morfoh> minto: that could be true ... at least I've to protect my couch :)
20:02 < minto> X-rated .... bunny ... couch, sure you should.
20:02 < morfoh> but in fact I asked for a T2 related transmission and not for some amateur p0rn :)
20:20 < CIA-9> msluis * r10714 /trunk/package/java/jms-spec/jms-spec.conf: * jms-spec uses new automatic zip extraction.
20:20 < minto> mnemoc_: ^--- That one also had a rootdir :-)
20:21 < keinek> morfoh, telesur is big for me :)
20:21 < keinek> i dont need telesur :P
20:23 < morfoh> keinek: anyway ... I think it's a good thing
20:23 < morfoh> :p
20:24 < keinek> thanks morfoh
20:24 < morfoh> keinek: for what ?
20:24 < morfoh> :)
20:24 < keinek> i must go to the gym.
20:24 < keinek> but i am tired.
20:24 < morfoh> cu
20:27 < minto> keinek: happy sweating
20:29 < mnemoc_> minto: :)
20:39 < CIA-9> amery * r10715 /branches/2.1/package/base/dietlibc/dietlibc.conf: * merged 10304 from trunk: fixed dietlibc to use $(STRIP), $(AR) and $(LD) on Makefile (close #7)
20:41 < minto> :-)
20:41 < minto> #17 not #7
20:42 < mnemoc_> outch
20:47 < mnemoc_> morfoh: can you _move_ http://trac.t2-project.org/wiki/functions to Internals/ ?
20:48 < mnemoc_> morfoh: or only copy&paste is supported?
20:50 < morfoh> mnemoc_: I think the wiki pages have to be dumped regularely on disk
20:50 < morfoh> there one could move it on the fs
20:51 < morfoh> but I've never moved a page so far
20:53 < morfoh> I should add syntax coloring thingy too
20:55 < mnemoc_> bash and diff support can be nice :)
20:57 < morfoh> is there a bash and diff macro ?
20:57 < mnemoc_> you are trac-master :)
20:57 < minto> master mnemoc and master morfoh :-)
20:57 < morfoh> it seems that I've to mutate in that direction :\
20:58 < morfoh> master minto :)
20:58 < mnemoc_> :)
20:58 < morfoh> mnemoc_: what do you think about textile markup ?
20:58 < minto> master of what?
20:58 < mnemoc_> textile markup?
20:58 < morfoh> minto: java master perhaps :)
20:58 < mnemoc_> noisy hardware master :)
20:58 < morfoh> http://textism.com/tools/textile/
20:59 < morfoh> but I'd prefer "markdown" in favour of textile but I don't know if there is a "markdown" python package
21:00 < morfoh> http://dealmeida.net/projects/textile/ <--- textile support for trac
21:01 < mnemoc_> looks better :)
21:01 < mnemoc_> can that be used as _default_ instead of {{{ #crap }}} ?
21:02 < morfoh> I can examine if we could do so :)
21:03 < mnemoc_> /join #trac :)
21:03 < morfoh> mnemoc_: okok :)
21:10 < minto> mnemoc: should I mark manual downloads optional?
21:10 < minto> [P] O ----
21:10 < mnemoc_> minto: i think so
21:11 < minto> I thought so too.
21:13 < CIA-9> msluis * r10716 /trunk/package/java/jms-spec/jms-spec.desc: * marked jms-spec as optional since it requires manual download.
21:13 < morfoh> mnemoc_: http://projects.edgewall.com/trac/ticket/593
21:15 < morfoh> but it setting a default syntax isn't supported afais
21:21 < CIA-9> msluis * r10717 /trunk/package/java/jmf/ (. jmf.conf jmf.desc): * added jmf (2.1.1e) Java Media Framework
21:21 < morfoh> java wizzard: let the repo scream :)
21:22 < minto> So far these java packages only build and install, I am not too sure about working.
21:23 < minto> I is time for my medicine
21:23 < minto> i = it
21:23 < morfoh> minto: ?
21:23 < minto> don't worry, just some fruit :-)
21:23 < morfoh> minto: :)
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22:26 < CIA-9> msluis * r10719 /trunk/package/graphic/jasper/jasper.conf: * jasper uses new automatic zip extraction.
22:26 < minto> ^--- contains rootdir as well. No longer .conf needed :-)
22:26 < mnemoc> :D
22:26 < minto> Only 9 package to go related to zip
22:27 < mnemoc> :D
22:27 < minto> But not today
22:27 < minto> I have to get up early tomorrow, so sleep well all and cu
22:27 < mnemoc> noisy still powered up?
22:28 < minto> nope
22:28 < minto> why?
22:28 < mnemoc> i got that impression :)
22:28 < minto> I have another machine as well :-)
22:28 < minto> but not as fast :-(
22:29 < minto> cu guys
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22:30 < morfoh> cu minto ... sleep well
22:30 < mnemoc> cu minto
23:29 < morfoh> blah blah blub :)
23:30 < mnemoc> :)
23:30 < morfoh> :)
23:31 < morfoh> mnemoc: as I told you. I should write a random IRC content generator :)
23:32 < mnemoc> :)
23:34 < morfoh> damn ... another package I've to maintain ... a random maintainer generator would be nice too :)
23:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: [C] extra/tools ?
23:35 < mnemoc> :)
23:37 < morfoh> mnemoc: SilverCity Library License <--- License ?
23:37 < morfoh> what should I use ?
23:37 < mnemoc> OpenSource ?
23:37 < morfoh> yes
23:38 -!- minto [~chatzilla@82-217-66-7.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)]
23:38 < mnemoc> OpenSource is a licence
23:38 < morfoh> ack
23:38 < morfoh> figured it out ;)
23:46 < morfoh> mnemoc: == 07/27/05 01:46:52 =[9]=> Finished building package silvercity.:)
23:57 < CIA-9> sebastian * r10720 /trunk/package/graphic/inkscape/inkscape.desc: * updated inkscape (0.41 -> 0.42)
23:58 < mnemoc> sixth time trying to commit .cache-s timed out again :(
23:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: :(
--- Log closed Wed Jul 27 00:00:00 2005