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00:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: what about extending the pgsel parser to ask for i.e. "[ ] Services" ?
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00:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: I mean ... this will reduce the possible viewable selections
00:01 < mnemoc> morfoh: just make services depend on an ask option
00:02 < mnemoc> morfoh: i wouldn't mess with the database backend on prelude-manager
00:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... but we would loose the directory structure
00:02 < mnemoc> morfoh: if user forget to select a backend, the build will fail
00:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: or did I misunderstood ?
00:02 < mnemoc> morfoh: see network vs. networking
00:03 < mnemoc> just let prelude-manager package detect what backends are available and abort if none is found
00:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: yep ... but it will not abort. it will log in a plain text file ;)
00:05 < mnemoc> if prelude don't ungry, neither i
00:05 < mnemoc> angry*
00:07 < mnemoc> or, at IDS.conf enable one database module of none is enabled, if you want to be sure a BD is used
00:08 < mnemoc> if IDS.level in {manager,full} and not MYSQL, enable postgresql
00:08 < mnemoc> instead of forcing one DBMS
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00:41 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... I'll try some things regarding the IDS stuff in syne2 tomorrow
00:42 < morfoh> mnemoc: perhaps I'll have some "enlightenment" while sleeping :)
00:44 < morfoh> good night *
00:45 < _Lewellyn> sleep well morfoh
00:45 < morfoh> thx _Lewellyn :)
00:46 < _Lewellyn> now. i wait for ragnar :)
00:48 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: hopefully you'll have success to catch him :)
00:48 < _Lewellyn> i hope so.
00:49 < _Lewellyn> irssi says he is on...
00:49 < _Lewellyn> hm. what's his usual hostmask?
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09:55 < morfoh> moin
09:57 < rxr> moin morfoh
09:57 < morfoh> moin moin rxr :)
09:57 < rxr> moin moin christian ,-)
09:58 < morfoh> rxr: oh! my g**d no real names please ;)
09:58 < morfoh> rxr: seems your a bit funny today :)
09:59 < morfoh> rxr: what happened ?
09:59 < morfoh> rxr: WLAN is running ? :p
09:59 < Baldzius> moin all :)
09:59 < morfoh> moin Baldzius ... :)
10:02 < rxr> morfoh: well - the new mini PCI investment works mostly (only occational firmware resets ...) - I only wanted to give you a warm welcome -,)
10:02 < morfoh> rxr: yeah ... I can imagine, because you're a very gentle person :)
10:05 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/
10:05 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de/big.png
10:05 < rxr> ^- the graph rocks so much - yay
10:07 < morfoh> rxr: yeah yeah ... it's a nice "t2 heartbeat"
10:08 < Baldzius> :)
10:09 < Baldzius> hehe by accident removed coreutils
10:09 < Baldzius> that's really fun :)
10:09 < CIA-9> rene * r11828 /trunk/package/kde/k3b/k3b.desc: * updated k3b (0.12.3 -> 0.12.4a)
10:11 < rxr> Benjamin Schieder:
10:11 < rxr> rockinitrd: add ld-linux.so.2 unconditionally to initrd and check for
10:11 < rxr> necessary /sbin/fsck.* files
10:12 < rxr> ^- the ROCK people are freaky enough to just copy system tools into the initrd and thus have a very fat dynamically linked one ..
10:12 < rxr> unbelievable ..
10:13 < Baldzius> rxr: btw i have new initrd problem compiling 2.6.13
10:14 < Baldzius> now my initrd is only 20B size
10:14 < sepp> moin
10:14 < Baldzius> moin sepp
10:14 < sepp> moin Baldzius
10:16 < rxr> Baldzius: ouhm
10:16 < rxr> moin sepp
10:16 < sepp> moin rxr
10:16 < sepp> what happened with g77?
10:17 < sepp> Baldzius: cpio was missing
10:17 < rxr> ah yes
10:18 < rxr> I remeber I wanted to add a check for cpio the the mkinitrd ,-)
10:18 < morfoh> moin sepp
10:19 < Baldzius> thanks :)
10:19 < sepp> moin morfoh
10:34 < CIA-9> rene * r11829 /trunk/package/multimedia/libtheora/libtheora.desc: * updated libtheora (1.0alpha4 -> 1.0alpha5)
10:37 < rxr> http://esr.ibiblio.org/index.php?p=208
10:37 < rxr> ^- microsoft tried to recruit ESR
10:42 < sepp> lol diplomatic as usual
10:42 < rxr> "On the day *I* go to work for Microsoft, faint oinking sounds will be
10:42 < rxr> heard from far overhead, the moon will not merely turn blue but
10:42 < rxr> develop polkadots, and hell will freeze over so solid the brimstone
10:42 < rxr> will go superconductive."
10:42 < rxr> ,-)
10:51 < valentin> moin
10:51 < CIA-9> rene * r11830 /trunk/package/kde/ (5 files in 2 dirs):
10:51 < CIA-9> * updated digikam (0.7.2 -> 0.7.4)
10:51 < CIA-9> * added digikamimageplugins (0.7.4)
10:56 < rxr> moin valentin
10:58 < rxr> 1814 packages in tree ...
10:58 < rxr> 1900 when? Linux world expo latest I think ...
10:58 < rxr> 2000 to xmas ?
11:06 < morfoh> rxr: I can commit at least 2 new packages which are lingering around here ;)
11:11 < CIA-9> sebastian * r11831 /trunk/package/base/xinetd/gcc-4.0.patch: * fix for gcc4, imported from fedora core
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11:23 < owl> hi
11:24 < rxr> moin owl
11:25 < owl> hi rxr
11:26 < morfoh> hi owl
11:26 < owl> hi morfoh *g*
11:31 < morfoh> mnemoc: regarding our IDS discussion last night I'm not quite sure anymore, if we should rename "Prelude-IDS support" -> "Hybrid IDS framework" just due to "branding" issues in mnemosyne
11:32 < morfoh> mnemoc: perhaps it will be a bit confusing
11:39 < rxr> windows is making me agressive ..
11:39 < rxr> just logged some USB driver I/O and even that minutes make me demading to throw the box out of the window
11:40 * owl gives rxr a hammer :)
11:41 * morfoh hands out a t2 ISO to rxr <-- if you don't know what it is see -> http://www.t2-project.org :p
11:42 < rxr> yeah - thanks
11:42 < rxr> maybe the next T2 ISO will include the driver I'm writing right now ...
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12:32 < CIA-9> rene * r11832 /trunk/package/textproc/libxml/libxml.desc: * updated libxml (2.6.21 -> 2.6.22)
14:13 < morfoh> rxr: if binaries of a package are not install by make install but by copying the stuff to the right location ... what hook should I use to copy the stuff? postmake ?
14:15 < rxr> yes
14:15 < morfoh> ok ... thanks
14:25 < CIA-9> chris * r11833 /trunk/package/network/sancp/ (. sancp.conf sancp.desc): * added sancp (1.6.1)
14:39 < morfoh> what fs type has a common USB stick ?
14:42 < rxr> fs type ?
14:42 < rxr> mine run ext2 ...
14:42 < rxr> factory delivered is usually vfat ...
14:45 < morfoh> rxr: ok ... thanks for the info ;)
14:46 < rxr> and recently (like yesterday or so) I found out windows only displays the first partition
14:46 < rxr> ignoring multiple vfats ...
14:47 < valentin> rxr: what a perfect way to hide data on the stick :)
14:48 < morfoh> allright ya ... have to move. cu later ladies and gentlemen ;)
14:48 < morfoh> btw, hi papa valentin :)
14:51 < morfoh> oh! just committing a package update ... then I'll leave you alone with all the pain
14:51 < CIA-9> chris * r11834 /trunk/package/security/prelude-lml/prelude-lml.desc: * updated prelude-lml (0.9.0-rc5 -> 0.9.0-rc6)
14:51 < morfoh> ok cu :)
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15:58 < Baldzius> jc, at last i am on 2.6.13 :)
15:59 < rxr> Baldzius: ,-)
16:00 < mnemoc> moin
16:00 < Baldzius> sound subsystem doesn't work, and have complaints abou devfsd
16:00 < Baldzius> but all ok
16:00 < Baldzius> moin mnemoc
16:01 < mnemoc> moin Baldzius
16:02 < rxr> Baldzius: a kernel built by trunk does not include devfs - I hope you know that ,-)
16:03 < rxr> hey mnemoc
16:03 < mnemoc> rxr: why not removing linux24 from trunk?
16:03 < rxr> mnemoc: for the sake of it -)
16:03 < rxr> ?
16:03 < rxr> yeah - we could remove it - do we need / want to?
16:03 < Baldzius> rxr: yes i know, they removed devfs from 2.6
16:03 < Baldzius> rxr: yes i know, they removed devfs from 2.6.13
16:03 < mnemoc> stepping back to 'tradicional /dev' sucks badly
16:03 < rxr> well - maybe leave it for postlinux.conf testing until there is 2.7 / 2.8 (in some years or a decade)
16:04 < mnemoc> 2.6.13 just removed devfs config option
16:04 < rxr> I know
16:04 < rxr> .14 might rmove it completely ...
16:04 < Baldzius> ic
16:04 < mnemoc> yep, i can go until .13
16:04 < Baldzius> i thought the removed completly
16:04 < mnemoc> not yet
16:04 < mnemoc> .14 will
16:05 < Baldzius> rc1 is out :)
16:05 < mnemoc> .13+devfs will be on T2 2.1.1
16:05 < mnemoc> Baldzius: good for them
16:08 < Baldzius> is there 2.2 packages mirror with rsync service around?
16:08 < Baldzius> i want to rsync all packages locally
16:09 < Baldzius> or i should use rsync ftp://
16:09 < Baldzius> as i remeber rsync doesn't support http protocol
16:10 < mnemoc> Baldzius: i have an rsync:// server, but you can only use it by night
16:11 < Baldzius> mnemoc: :(
16:11 < rxr> Baldzius: we have http mirrors around - aren't they fast enought?
16:11 < rxr> ./scripts/Download -all
16:12 < mnemoc> rxr: http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/ <--- 27 - (8x2) = 11 new failures due to 3.4.4 and/or stage9
16:12 < rxr> mnemoc: I'm building a 2.1 ref locally right now to help you fixing
16:12 < rxr> [5] mail/dcc [5] network/isdn4k-utils
16:12 < rxr> 1626 builds total, 326 completed fine, 2 with errors.
16:13 < rxr> oh - looks like I can start fixing ... ,-)
16:13 < rxr> ok - dcc is Download missing
16:14 < mnemoc> rxr: you have access if you want to fix on that stage-9 ready 2.1:HEAD
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16:14 < rxr> mnemoc: I hack a USB kernel driver right now - I prefer to fix those locally without the de - cl latency ... ,-)
16:15 < mnemoc> .oO( mach/hurd or l4/hurd that is the question )o
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16:15 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
16:15 < mnemoc> rxr: commit fixes on trunk first please, so i can test them
16:16 < rxr> mnemoc: what did I miss with hurd ?
16:16 < mnemoc> nothing, /me just wondering
16:18 < mnemoc> i hate how linux is evolving and an SDE has to support more than one kernel. considering linux24 shall die on future t2 branches, hurd is the 'simpler' alternative
16:18 < rxr> hurd is far from beeing simple - that is why they still have no 1.0 release ...
16:19 < mnemoc> simpler != simple :)
16:19 < mnemoc> freebsd or darwin or freedos or reactos are lot more intrusive on our toolchain
16:20 < mnemoc> and supporting hurd is more PR than others ;)
16:21 < mnemoc> /. would be very interested on a framework to build hurd distributions
16:21 < mnemoc> rxr: OT: please don't forget conditional wrappers... i need to do pie asap
16:24 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - I try to do the cond. wrapper stuff this evening
16:25 < mnemoc> thanks ;)
16:26 < rxr> right now I hack up the in-kernel firmware loader for adaptect USBXchange and USB2Xchange ... ,-)
16:26 < rxr> USB to SCSI adapters ... ,-)
16:26 < mnemoc> :D
16:27 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/adaptec-usbxchange/
16:27 < rxr> ^- dumped firmware ,-)
16:27 < mnemoc> bad boy
16:28 * rxr ?
16:28 < mnemoc> OT: i assume you don't have time to go to tfh, but noone there can help you?
16:28 < rxr> I will be there tomorrow
16:28 < rxr> is that early enough ?
16:29 < mnemoc> yes... we are just delaying rc3 annoucement
16:29 < mnemoc> i thought you have de-compiled the firmwares
16:30 < rxr> well - I could - it is a 8051 working in those ...
16:30 < rxr> but don't tell anyone - oops
16:30 < rxr> the .fw format is intel hex format
16:31 < rxr> but I don't care about the content - I only want to throw those bits into device and live happily
16:31 < rxr> but it is good to know if the device might crash or so in the future ...
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16:55 < Baldzius> gsmp still down?
16:55 < mnemoc> Baldzius: tomorrow
16:56 < Baldzius> ic
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17:15 < CIA-9> pfister * r11835 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/.fluxbox/menu: Documentation now also in /home/archivista -> otherwise we can't see it
17:17 < CIA-9> pfister * r11836 /trunk/target/archivista/build_image.sh: Copy the manual also to the home directory (otherwise we can't see it)
17:21 < rxr> .o(people not familiar with SVN ...) - we need t2-forge ...
17:22 < mnemoc> rxr: per sub-project repository is good
17:22 < rxr> ack - that is what I meant
17:22 < mnemoc> rxr: i'm still waiting for your reply on my mail about
17:23 < valentin> hm, i found an error in zlib
17:23 < valentin> i think i found one...
17:24 < mnemoc> http://www3.t2-project.org/Members/amery/announce/2.1.0-rc3
17:28 < mnemoc> rxr,valentin,jsaw: [t2] [RFC] targets as separated products <--- the subject of the mail you ignored
17:28 < mnemoc> jsaw: awake?
17:39 < mnemoc> rxr: to try t2 installations, is xen really better than qemu? do i need to patch host?
17:43 < rxr> you need a xen supervisor running on the host
17:43 < rxr> and you need a prepared (aka patched) guest
17:43 < rxr> so - not really useful for normal T2 CDs ...
17:43 < rxr> the xen supervisor is controlling the whole host and loaded from GRUb using this mutli boot procedure thingi ...
17:44 < mnemoc> uhm
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17:50 < CIA-9> valentin * r11837 /trunk/misc/lua/ (lzlib.c zlibtest.lua):
17:50 < CIA-9> * worked around zlib issue on close
17:50 < CIA-9> * implemented line iterator
17:50 < CIA-9> * implemented eof and status
17:50 < CIA-9> * added test example
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17:58 < mnemoc> valentin: does lua support (a,b,c) = foo() assignations instead of 'a,b,c' ?
18:10 < CIA-9> amery * r11838 /trunk/package/develop/bglibs/bglibs.conf: * fixed bglibs to install like on 1.019
18:13 < rxr> valentin: I commit a new xemacs-beta that works (mostly) for me and does anti-aliasing
18:18 < CIA-9> rene * r11839 /trunk/package/editors/xemacs-beta/ (xemacs-beta.conf xemacs-beta.desc): * updated xemacs-beta (21.5.21 -> 2005-09-23)
18:18 < mnemoc> rxr: firefox/thunderbird 1.5 on trunk? ;)
18:21 < CIA-9> amery * r11840 /branches/2.1/package/develop/bglibs/ (bglibs.conf bglibs.desc): * merged 9437,9610,10100,10220,11412,11838 from trunk: updated bglibs (1.019 -> 1.027)
18:24 < rxr> mnemoc: if you like to
18:25 < mnemoc> rxr: considering i wont fix it, i guess it's not ok to force you to give that step
18:27 < rxr> hehe
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18:41 < valentin> mnemoc: what do you mean with (a,b,c) ?
18:42 < valentin> rxr: fine
18:45 < mnemoc> valentin: syntax
18:45 < mnemoc> valentin: _,normal_eof,error = zf:eof (); <--- this
18:45 < mnemoc> valentin: vs. (_,normal_eof,error) = zf:eof (); which at least to me is easier to read
18:47 < valentin> i do not know... i'll try it
18:48 < mnemoc> (python support both :p)
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18:49 < valentin> mnemoc: seems like lua does not like that brackets
18:51 < mnemoc> :(
18:52 < mnemoc> _,normal_eof,error is confusing because looks like a single value
18:58 < valentin> mnemoc: then write _, normal_eof, error =
18:59 < mnemoc> :)
19:06 < valentin> have to buy some food, bbl
19:06 < rxr> cu valentin
19:06 < valentin> btw: my example nees 6 seconds on packages.db :(
19:07 < valentin> that is because my line iterator is implemented using gzgetch() which is a bit slow indeed
19:07 < valentin> bbl
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19:21 < _Ragnar_> moin
19:22 < mnemoc> moin _Ragnar_
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19:23 < minto_> hi folks
19:23 < mnemoc> hi minto_
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19:43 < mnemoc> what is needed to run 2.1 on SATA?
19:50 < rxr> re
19:50 < rxr> mnemoc: most SATA chip support is compiled in in 2.1
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19:50 < rxr> hey minto_ !
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19:51 < mnemoc> rxr: $ grep SATA /boot/kconfig_2.6.11.12-dist
19:51 < mnemoc> # CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA is not set
19:51 < mnemoc> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA=y
19:51 < mnemoc> do i need that block device?
19:52 < rxr> oehm
19:52 < rxr> yep
19:52 < rxr> this is what trunk produces:
19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA=y
19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_AHCI=m
19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_SVW=m
19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_NV=m
19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_PROMISE=m
19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_QSTOR=m
19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_SX4=m
19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_SIL=m
19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_SIS=m
19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_ULI=m
19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_VIA=m
19:52 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_VITESSE=m
19:53 < rxr> I grepped my ref build. there most are built-in
19:53 < rxr> only:
19:53 < rxr> CONFIG_SCSI_SATA_QSTOR=m
19:53 < rxr> is built as module
19:53 < mnemoc> should i enable CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA by default on 2.1?
19:54 < rxr> nope
19:54 < rxr> I do not know what it is - bu tthe SCSI_SATA stuff is standard, know to work
19:54 < rxr> better google for it
19:54 < mnemoc> ok
19:54 < rxr> maybe that was some first test code or so ...
19:57 < mnemoc> "CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE_SATA ( Kernel - 'Device Drivers'/'ATA/ATAPI/MFM/RLL support'/'Support for SATA'). This parameter appeared in kernel2.6.10. There is no such a param in kernel2.6.7. I think that in kernel2.6.7 this option turned on by default (I'm sure that kernel2.4.xx and kernel2.6.7 supports SATA using this IDE driver for SATA controllers. Starting from kernel2.6.10 they added this param with disabled by default value, because kernel-authors wanted force us u
19:57 < _Ragnar_> why would anyone want to use IDE drivers for sata?
19:58 < mnemoc> so, i'll trust on SCSI emulation :D
19:58 < rxr> mnemoc: there is no emulation
19:58 < mnemoc> no?
19:58 < rxr> that is scsi does not mean emulation
19:58 < mnemoc> oh
19:59 < _Ragnar_> the sata cmd format is more similar to scsi anyway then to ide
19:59 < mnemoc> what about 2.1 bootdisk?
20:00 < mnemoc> i don't want to take a 3h bus to fail on install the machine :(
20:00 < rxr> mnemoc: the devices will appear as SCSI
20:00 < rxr> I have not tested - but it should work
20:00 < rxr> 3h to the machine ?
20:01 < mnemoc> 3h to the city, and then about 30m to the machine
20:01 < _Ragnar_> ;p
20:01 < rxr> which city ?
20:01 < mnemoc> i don't want to come back to rebuild the city
20:01 < rxr> better grab a laptop for additional binary builds with you
20:01 < mnemoc> chillán
20:01 < mnemoc> the iso
20:01 < _Ragnar_> :D
20:02 < mnemoc> .oO( rebuilding a city? )o
20:02 * mnemoc has serius comunication problems with his interfaces
20:03 < mnemoc> http://tienstra4.flatnet.tudelft.nl/~gerte/gen2dmraid/ <--- may i need this?
20:03 < mnemoc> 1. I have an Intel ICH5/ICH5-R/ICH6/ICH6-R SATA RAID. Why doesn't Linux support my hardware RAID?
20:03 < mnemoc> A. It's not hardware RAID. It is software RAID, provided by the BIOS on the card.
20:04 < mnemoc> uhm, no ... i don't have that
20:07 < mnemoc> uhm, yes i do
20:07 < mnemoc> ICH6
20:08 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
20:09 < mnemoc> i'm just reading the sata faq while looking at the specs of the board
20:10 < rxr> mnemoc: I never used such a thing - this is only when you wanna use software RAID that those companies sell as full blown RAID to the people ...
20:10 < mnemoc> :)
20:14 < rxr> yay
20:14 < rxr> !
20:14 < rxr> my driver starts to work
20:14 * mnemoc rises rxr
20:14 < _Ragnar_> ;D
20:14 < rxr> just mounted a 100 and 250 medium in my SCSI Zip using the Adaptec USBXchange ...
20:15 < rxr> yeah - cool
20:15 < rxr> now I only have to wait for the version 2 of the cable to arive
20:15 < rxr> the current one only has USB 1.x - the USB2Xchange is USB 2.0
20:25 < valentin> re
20:37 < CIA-9> amery * r11841 /branches/2.1/package/zope/linguaplone/linguaplone.conf: * changed linguaplone to not double source (and even with a typo) zope-conf.in
20:41 < valentin> char line[1024], *t;
20:41 < valentin> gasgui package parser
20:42 < mnemoc> will you also use a 1k-1 buffer?
20:42 < valentin> it is a 1k buffer ... ?
20:43 < valentin> ok, with terminating '\0' it allows for 1023 character strings
20:44 < mnemoc> reading one by one is slow
20:44 < valentin> let's write a gasgui exploit
20:44 < mnemoc> :D
20:44 < valentin> mnemoc: yes, but buffering is complicated
20:44 < mnemoc> lua_streaming? :)
20:44 < valentin> for the first prototype this is fast enough
20:45 < valentin> mnemoc: io with lua sucks a bit because you have to reimplement liolib for each data source
20:45 < valentin> because it is completely implemented in C
20:45 < valentin> in C++ you just would have to implement a data source
20:46 < mnemoc> what about takings parts of your embedable STL to add the missing layer on lua?
20:48 < valentin> could be a plan, but i would prefer lua folks would create an abstract interface for io sources
20:51 < valentin> i don't know how to do so in lua
20:51 < mnemoc> http://sourceforge.net/projects/cpplua
20:52 < rxr> I think util 21:30 a patch goes out to linux-kernel ...
20:52 < mnemoc> rxr: :)
20:53 < mnemoc> valentin: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/cpplua
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20:54 < morfoh> re "MOIN" :)
20:54 < mnemoc> hi morfoh
20:54 < morfoh> hey companero :)
20:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: channel registered ?
20:55 < mnemoc> morfoh: should i?
20:55 < valentin> oh, there is char * gzgets (gzFile file, char *buf, int len);
20:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: I can do it too ,)
20:55 < morfoh> hi valentin
20:56 < mnemoc> valentin: that way buffering is not hard :D
20:57 < mnemoc> morfoh: done
20:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: yep
20:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess I just have to join a non-existing channel
20:58 < mnemoc> morfoh: ?
20:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: or how do I "register" a channel ?
21:00 < mnemoc> morfoh: morfoh: done <--- it is registered
21:00 < morfoh> mnemoc:where can I register one permanently ?
21:01 < mnemoc> morfoh: it _is_ registered
21:01 < morfoh> oops
21:01 < morfoh> :p
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21:22 < valentin> mnemoc: equaly slow :(
21:22 < mnemoc> :'(
21:22 < valentin> maybe they implemented this function the same way
21:24 < CIA-9> valentin * r11842 /trunk/misc/lua/lzlib.c: * use gzgets instead of gzgetc loop for readline
21:25 < valentin> maybe it is just the lua loop
21:25 < valentin> still 100 lines in 3ms, that is not too bad
21:25 < rxr> ok - after cleanup the (firmware loading) driver does still work ...
21:25 < mnemoc> zcat ?
21:26 < valentin> zcat is a hundred times faster
21:26 < valentin> i compare to the speed of io:lines
21:27 < valentin> hm
21:27 < valentin> $ cat weg.lua
21:27 < valentin> f=io.open("test.txt"):lines()
21:27 < valentin> for l in f do
21:27 < valentin> print(l)
21:27 < valentin> end
21:28 < valentin> $ time lua weg.lua > /dev/null
21:28 < valentin> real 0m1.258s
21:28 < valentin> user 0m1.128s
21:28 < valentin> sys 0m0.105s
21:28 < valentin> 5 times faster without decompression
21:28 < mnemoc> and a compiled weg.lua?
21:28 < valentin> zcat takes 0.3 s
21:29 < valentin> how do i compile that ?
21:29 < mnemoc> there is a luac iirc
21:29 < valentin> do you think it will make a difference ?
21:29 < mnemoc> compare yours to perl, both interpreted
21:30 < valentin> and how do i start luac.out ?
21:30 < valentin> same time
21:30 < valentin> as i expected
21:30 < valentin> cat takes 0.1s
21:32 < valentin> at least lua is faster than bash:
21:33 < valentin> $ time while read l ; do echo $l ; done < <(cat test.txt) > /dev/null
21:33 < valentin> real 0m51.100s
21:33 < valentin> user 0m14.595s
21:33 < valentin> sys 0m34.161s
21:33 < mnemoc> :D
21:34 < mnemoc> time cat test.txt | while read l; do echo $l; done is identical?
21:35 < morfoh> mnemoc: what important packages we still have to make runit aware ?
21:35 < valentin> you forgot the '> /dev/null'
21:36 < CIA-9> amery * r11843 /trunk/package/base/bcron/ (. bcron.conf bcron.desc): * added bcron (0.09)
21:36 < valentin> $ time cat test.txt | while read l; do echo $l; done > /dev/null
21:36 < valentin> real 0m51.130s
21:36 < valentin> user 0m14.335s
21:36 < valentin> sys 0m35.036s
21:36 < mnemoc> morfoh: there is work to do on misc/tail
21:39 < rxr> omg
21:42 < CIA-9> amery * r11844 /trunk/ (misc/share/REGISTER package/base/bcron/postsysfiles.in): * registered user 53, cron. and added postsysfiles.in to bcron
21:43 < minto_> hey folks
21:43 < morfoh> hey minto_
21:43 < minto_> hey morfoh
21:43 < minto_> A few more minutes before I switch to hibernate mode. :)
21:44 < minto_> I just posted some thoughts to the ML. Might be usefull. :)
21:44 * mnemoc doesn't support hibernating, i have an sloooooow boot up
21:45 < minto_> mnemoc: be carefull you do not run on T2. Your software might force a reboot on you someday
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21:46 < mnemoc> :)
21:46 < minto_> :)
21:47 < minto_> Anything exiting happened here lately?
21:47 < mnemoc> nope
21:50 < minto_> :(
21:54 < minto_> That's it for today, see you all soon :)
21:55 < minto_> sleep well all
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22:09 < valentin> mnemoc: why the heck does the expression
22:09 < valentin> line=="\027"\
22:09 < valentin> forget it, that one :
22:09 < valentin> line=="\027"
22:09 < valentin> work, whereas this one does not match :
22:09 < valentin> line=="\004"
22:10 < valentin> other way round *grr**
22:10 < valentin> confused...
22:10 < mnemoc> clifford's delimiter?
22:10 < valentin> yes
22:10 < valentin> ah, maybe hexdump displays octal numbers
22:11 < valentin> yep
22:11 < valentin> it is 27 octal which is 23 decimal
22:11 < valentin> now this works
22:15 < rxr> hehe
22:15 < rxr> cool
22:16 < rxr> after initial testing on the 64bit little endian number cruncher (sub-notebook) I now know that the driver works on 32bit and big-endian as well
22:16 < rxr> Iomega ZIP 250 succesfully running attached to the iBook ...
22:22 < rxr> valentin: could you tell me if the new xemacs-beta (OS) works for you ?
22:36 < CIA-9> rene * r11845 /trunk/package/x86/microcode_ctl/microcode_ctl.desc: * updated microcode_ctl (1.11 -> 1.12)
22:41 < rxr> http://dl.exactcode.de/adaptec-usbxchange/
22:54 < rxr> Signed-off-by: Ren? Rebe
22:57 < rxr> hm - I think sooner than later we will have more and more firmware packages ...
22:57 < mnemoc> package/firmware/*
22:58 < rxr> mnemoc: good idea
23:06 < rxr> http://scr3.golem.de/?d=0509/office12&a=40417
23:06 < rxr> new look for the next office
23:06 < mnemoc> o.o
23:06 < rxr> how ugly
23:11 < owl> *ggg* you also found it, too ;)
23:15 < CIA-9> gweis * r11846 /trunk/package/base/syslog-ng/ (etc_syslog-ng.conf syslog-ng.conf): * added a very simple config file for syslog-ng
23:15 < CIA-9> gweis * r11847 /trunk/package/base/syslog-ng/syslog-ng.desc: * updated syslog-ng (1.9.4+20050717 -> 1.9.5+20050913)
23:19 < _Ragnar_> re
23:20 < CIA-9> rene * r11848 /trunk/package/firmware/ (5 files in 2 dirs): * added adaptec-usbxchange (0)
23:20 < rxr> hi _Ragnar_
23:20 * rxr off into bed
23:20 < rxr> mnemoc: you will get the needed conditional wrapper tomorrow
23:21 < mnemoc> rxr: thanks
23:21 < rxr> mnemoc: it will be the first real thing I do after showing up @uni to write me in - hope they will not do big hick up ...
23:21 < rxr> damn uni crap (only wasting time ...)
23:22 < rxr> Cinelerra 2.0
23:22 < rxr> ^- package anyone ?
23:23 < sepp> hmm you need to rip of a lot from cinelerra :(
23:23 < sepp> they ship every cg multimedia lib inside
23:24 < rxr> http://kerneltrap.org/node/5654
23:24 < rxr> ^- Interview: Hans Reiser
23:24 < rxr> n8 all
23:24 < sepp> ffmpeg quicktime ogg etc
23:24 < mnemoc> sepp sent cinelerra patch on february
23:24 < sepp> night rxr :)
23:25 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
23:25 < sepp> cinelerra is really really unstable
23:25 < sepp> i tested 2.0
23:26 < _Ragnar_> any one know a stable, working shoutcase equivalent for *nix?
23:27 < _Ragnar_> cast* not case
23:31 < sepp> is shoutcast the server?
23:33 < _Ragnar_> yes
23:33 < _Ragnar_> well no sorry
23:33 < _Ragnar_> I need a replacement for both the server and the streaming source client
23:34 < sepp> hmm icecast maybe?
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23:36 < _Ragnar_> I tried icecast but it was less then stable and working ;p
23:36 < _Ragnar_> much less in fact ;p
23:36 < sepp> :(
23:38 < _Ragnar_> but maybe I set it up wrong, I dunno ... the main problem seemed to be to find a stable working source client on linux
23:39 < sepp> maybe as stable as cinelerra 2 *eg*
23:39 < _Ragnar_> ;D
23:46 < valentin> re
23:47 < sepp> hi valentin
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23:52 < valentin> mnemoc: how would you sort packages inside the package manager ? after [C] */ ?
23:52 < Baldzius> good night guys :)
23:52 < _Ragnar_> nini
23:54 < valentin> gn8 Baldzius
23:54 < valentin> hi sepp
23:57 < mnemoc> valentin: for a given category, alphabetical
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