--- Log opened Fri Sep 23 00:00:34 2005
00:09 < CIA-9> amery * r12085 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/sysfiles.conf:
00:09 < CIA-9> * renamed ROCK-VERSION to SDE-VERSION
00:09 < CIA-9> * renamed ROCK-CONFIG to SDE-CONFIG
00:09 < CIA-9> * unlinked VERSION from SDE-VERSION, and install $target/version.txt there if available
00:10 < _Lewellyn> woo :)
00:11 < _Lewellyn> btw, i noticed a couple of places in Config that still mention rock
00:11 < mnemoc> if you find ROCK references apart of copyrights, please send patches
00:12 < mnemoc> or rocknet or rockplug :)
00:12 < _Lewellyn> i'll have to figure out where it came from first :)
00:14 < mnemoc> :)
00:18 < _Ragnar_> re
00:19 < morfoh> wb _Ragnar_
00:20 < mnemoc> morfoh: i have the same routing problem with berlios than with your svn..... may pound be doing something?
00:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: routing problem ?
00:21 < mnemoc> morfoh: after a few packages i loose comunication
00:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: hmmmm ... same with my svn server ?
00:24 < mnemoc> yep
00:25 < mnemoc> only when i'm NATed
00:25 < mnemoc> no problems from the router
00:31 < CIA-9> chris * r12086 /trunk/package/security/snort/ (snort.conf snort.desc):
00:31 < CIA-9> * removed Community-Rules from download
00:31 < CIA-9> * added Sourcefire VRT Certified Rules - The Official Snort Ruleset (unregistered user release) <-- what heck ;)
00:31 < CIA-9> * improved and wiped out postmake hook
00:34 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12087 /trunk/package/base/bison/disable-examples.patch: * disable building examples (breaks stage 1 'cause it requires c++)
00:35 < mnemoc> bbl
00:35 < morfoh> cu mnemoc
00:35 < morfoh> greetings to the kids
00:35 < mnemoc> :)
00:35 < mnemoc> cu
00:35 < morfoh> cu :)
00:43 < morfoh> good night *
00:45 < _Lewellyn> night sleepers :)
00:45 -!- madtux [n=mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #t2
00:45 < madtux> hello
00:45 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: psssssssstttt ... the channel is logged :|
00:46 < morfoh> hi racing madtux :)
00:46 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: all the more reason to wish them all goodnight; they'll see it later :)
00:46 < _Lewellyn> hoi madtux
00:46 < madtux> hey guys
00:46 < madtux> morfoh, racing?
00:47 < morfoh> madtux: I mean ... moto cross
00:48 < madtux> oh ;)
00:48 < morfoh> madtux: I didn't want to say hi pyro ;)
00:49 < madtux> haha
00:49 < madtux> i didn't knew i had told ya about the cross..
00:49 < morfoh> madtux: hehe ... you told me everything :p
00:50 < madtux> i don't tell everything... never.
00:50 < madtux> :)
00:50 < morfoh> good :)
00:50 < morfoh> a good paratux he is
00:51 < madtux> mm...
00:51 < madtux> i am not sure ... but... meditate on this i will.
00:51 < morfoh> besides the fact paratux uses selinux :p
00:53 < madtux> whats so bad about it
00:53 < madtux> ?
00:53 < madtux> ;)
00:53 < morfoh> madtux: go meditate ;)
00:53 < madtux> nah
00:54 < madtux> so how are things?
00:56 < morfoh> madtux: last commited revision was r12087 ... so it goes quite well :)
00:56 * morfoh is going to sleep finaly ... good night
00:56 < _Lewellyn> bah. i've only updated to r12083 ;)
00:56 < _Lewellyn> sleep well morfoh
00:56 < morfoh> thanks
00:56 < morfoh> .)
00:58 < madtux> who is going to bed
00:59 < _Lewellyn> not i. 1600 here :)
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01:02 < madtux> damn mortals..
01:02 < madtux> _Lewellyn, where is it that you are at ?
01:04 < _Lewellyn> san francisco
01:04 < madtux> thats nice.
01:05 < madtux> i lived in LA for a while... long time ago
01:23 < _Lewellyn> less smog and more fog here :)
01:25 < CIA-9> miguelb * r12088 /trunk/package/selinux/ (7 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed)
01:25 < CIA-9> * updated policy (1.24 -> 1.26)
01:25 < CIA-9> * updated setools (2.1.1 -> 2.1.2)
01:25 < CIA-9> * updated libsepol (1.6 -> 1.8)
01:25 < CIA-9> * updated policycoreutils (1.24 -> 1.26)
01:25 < CIA-9> * updated selinux-doc (1.20 -> 1.22)
01:25 < CIA-9> * updated checkpolicy (1.24 -> 1.26)
01:25 < madtux> sounds nice... i will have to go there sometime
01:26 < _Lewellyn> please do visit
01:26 < madtux> i don't have any travel schedule for the rest of the year, but we will see.
01:26 < _Lewellyn> :(
01:26 < madtux> sometime next year
01:26 < madtux> :)
01:35 < _Lewellyn> good good.
01:35 < _Lewellyn> perhaps we can pull all of the channel's inhabitants out here at once :)
01:35 < madtux> hehe
01:36 < madtux> WTF... silo is not even listen on freshmeat anymore..
01:40 < _Lewellyn> hm?
01:40 < madtux> look for silo at freshmeat..
01:41 < _Lewellyn> 0 projects found
01:42 < madtux> yeah..
01:42 < madtux> and the site is not even accessible
01:42 < _Lewellyn> huh
01:42 < madtux> i will email ben..
01:43 < madtux> its been a while since i don't play with sparc stuff.. but i don't know..
01:43 < madtux> i hope he didn't just abandon the project
01:43 < _Lewellyn> ya, i don't think i played much with silo when i tried getting linux loaded on my sparcs
01:44 < madtux> wait...
01:44 < madtux> seems like he has made some DNS changes
01:44 < madtux> :)
01:46 < _Lewellyn> http://www.splack.org/index.php
01:46 < madtux> no fscking way..
01:46 < _Lewellyn> second news item on the home page
01:46 < madtux> lets see
01:46 < _Lewellyn> mirror is 2 comments deep
01:47 < madtux> i know the mirrors of silo... i am concerned about master
01:47 < madtux> btw... i hate you for making go to that site..
01:49 < madtux> i'm decided to get t2 running on my ultra
01:55 < _Lewellyn> t2 on sparc would be good
01:55 < _Lewellyn> but why hate me? :(
01:57 < madtux> reminded me of my issues with the former leader of that project.
01:57 < madtux> nevermind u are a nice guy... its not ur fault.
02:01 < _Lewellyn> ah. i was unaware of tension there.
02:01 < _Lewellyn> i would have just said "find a mirror" if i had known :)
02:03 < madtux> no worries :)
02:04 < madtux> its a very long and old story
02:05 < _Lewellyn> it's ok. i'll try to remember to not send you there again :)
02:05 < madtux> :P
02:06 < madtux> so tell me how is the "T2 Life" treating you?
02:07 < madtux> u are using T2 at all?
02:07 < madtux> :)
02:10 < _Lewellyn> i'm finally going to upgrade from rock 2.0 this weekend
02:10 < _Lewellyn> going to try out t2 amd64 on an em64t box :)
02:10 < madtux> sounds pretty cool.
02:10 < madtux> so u are a rock developer?
02:10 < _Lewellyn> our pbx is getting a t2 build installed as we speak
02:11 < madtux> cool.
02:11 < _Lewellyn> no, more of a complainer :)
02:11 < madtux> how about on t2?
02:11 < madtux> :)
02:11 < _Lewellyn> i do, however, like to back up my complaints some :)
02:11 < _Lewellyn> nope. i'm generally a complainer :)
02:13 < madtux> so u are sort of a ... mm... General Complainer?
02:14 < madtux> hehe
02:16 < _Lewellyn> yes, but i try to be constructive :)
02:17 < _Lewellyn> ii think i've managed to volunteer for a list of missing packages that i've complained about :)
02:21 < mnemoc> rehi
02:26 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i thought you went to sleep
02:26 < mnemoc> nah... i went to pick my girls up from kinder garden
02:30 < madtux> _Lewellyn, thats good..
02:30 < madtux> when i grow up i hope to become a great developer like mnemoc
02:30 < madtux> mnemoc, welcome back
02:31 < mnemoc> pff
02:31 < mnemoc> hi madtux
02:32 < madtux> hello my friend.
02:32 < madtux> glad to see you
02:33 < mnemoc> my pleasure
02:56 < mnemoc> $ svn up
02:56 < mnemoc> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/t2/trunk'
02:56 < mnemoc> svn: PROPFIND of '/t2/trunk': 403 Forbidden (http://svn.exactcode.de)
02:58 < madtux> Quork!?
03:03 < mnemoc> valentin: awake? svn: PROPFIND of '/t2/trunk': 403 Forbidden (http://svn.exactcode.de)
03:12 < _Lewellyn> madtux: we all wish to be mnemoc :)
03:12 < mnemoc> o.o
03:12 < _Lewellyn> ok. off to class. should be back by 6am UTC
03:12 < madtux> cya
03:12 < madtux> mnemoc, the great master
03:12 < madtux> :)
03:13 < mnemoc> which will be expeled out of his house in two weeks
03:14 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: :(
03:14 * _Lewellyn goes *poof!*
03:15 < mnemoc> i guess i'll move to the house of my parents-in-law
03:19 < madtux> mnemoc, WHAT?!
03:25 < mnemoc> c'est la vie
06:50 < madtux> rxr awake?
06:50 < mnemoc> almost 7am there... :)
06:50 < madtux> i know...
07:04 < valentin> moin
07:04 < valentin> mnemoc: huh ?
07:05 < mnemoc> moin valentin
07:06 < valentin> svn not working ?
07:06 < mnemoc> valentin: now it does
07:07 < valentin> maybe the server had been offline
07:07 < valentin> why are you expeled ?
07:08 < mnemoc> i have not payed the rent in two months
07:08 < valentin> oha
07:08 < mnemoc> three months are not tolerated
07:08 < valentin> how much is rent ?
07:08 < mnemoc> about 200 eur
07:09 < valentin> i could lend you 1 rent
07:09 < valentin> but are there any perspectives for you ?
07:09 < valentin> i.e earning your rent in near future ?
07:10 < mnemoc> i hope so
07:10 < valentin> i think i can give away that 200 Euro. Anyone else ? rxr ?
07:10 < mnemoc> .oO
07:11 < valentin> if we give you two rents, will that be enough for another 2 month ?
07:12 < mnemoc> ehm.... yes... but but... i wasn't asking for money o.o
07:12 * mnemoc shames
07:13 < valentin> we need you here. i think you didn't earn money due to excessive t2 work
07:14 < mnemoc> i have to learn to sell more T2-powered machines
07:15 * mnemoc feels like shit
07:15 < mnemoc> madtux: installation finished? i'll go to try to sleep
07:16 < valentin> mnemoc: i think most of us were broken down at least once
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07:16 < mnemoc> :)
07:22 < mnemoc> ok... good night (day) ... thanks valentin for your initiative .. but it really makes me shame
07:22 < mnemoc> cu
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07:24 < valentin> gn8 mnemoc
07:24 < madtux> cya all.
07:24 < mnemoc> gn8
07:24 < madtux> buenas noches mnemoc.
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07:31 < valentin> http://www.ev50.com/poll/
07:32 < valentin> anyone knows whom to vote there besides florian mueller and michael rochard ?
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07:44 < _Lewellyn> re all
07:49 < valentin> hi _Lewellyn
07:50 < _Lewellyn> oh wow. my build that i started 6 or 7 hours ago is at xorg in stage 5
07:51 < _Lewellyn> i wasn't expecting to build the iso tonite; i didn't buy a hdd o_O
07:57 < valentin> _Lewellyn: don't fear - whole kde will be build :)
07:57 < valentin> this takes some while
07:58 < _Lewellyn> well, gcc takes a matter of a few minutes, so kde doesn't worry me :)
08:05 < valentin> what machine do you have ?
08:06 < _Lewellyn> some overly powerful em64t thinger
08:07 < _Lewellyn> i think the cpu cache matters more than i ever suspected...
08:07 * _Lewellyn is glad he gave up a dvd burner for it :)
08:12 < _Lewellyn> in any case, i probably won't be here when it finishes, so i'll pick up a disc tomorrow morning and install then :)
08:12 * _Lewellyn really hopes that this plan to install onto a usb disc from vmware works...
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09:00 < rxr> re
09:00 < rxr> oh hi valentin
09:06 < valentin> hi rxr
09:07 < _Lewellyn> morning rxr
09:07 < rxr> can you test 600dpi scans on the 610 ?
09:07 < rxr> I have a report that that would fail
09:08 < valentin> in each case ?
09:08 < rxr> I fwd you the big report mai
09:09 < rxr> I think it was color @ 600 dpi on the 610 fails
09:21 < CIA-9> rene * r12089 /trunk/package/ruby/ruby/ (ossl_x509store.patch ruby.desc): * updated ruby (1.8.2 -> 1.8.3)
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10:32 < Baldzius> good morning :)
10:33 < _Lewellyn> morning :)
10:33 < Baldzius> rxr: i have a problem with new bison running Build-Target
10:34 < Baldzius> hi _Lewellyn, not sleeping? :)
10:36 < _Lewellyn> no. still at work.
10:37 < Baldzius> 01:36 at work? :)
10:41 < _Lewellyn> yes :(
10:41 < _Lewellyn> 2 clients to email yet.
10:42 < Baldzius> ic
10:49 < LeUcOs> hi guys
11:04 < jsaw> re
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11:11 < rxr> cu
11:51 < _Lewellyn> gar. i thought i wouldn't be here when it's done :(
11:52 < _Lewellyn> #99 of 141 in stage 5.
11:52 < _Lewellyn> most of kde is done
11:52 < _Lewellyn> at least ooo is the last one :)
11:52 < _Lewellyn> that should take a while
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12:04 < CIA-9> aldas * r12090 /trunk/package/network/squid/squid.desc: * updated squid (2.5.STABLE10 -> 2.5.STABLE11)
12:20 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12091 /trunk/package/gnome14/gtkmm12/gcc4.patch: * gcc4 fixes
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12:23 < morfoh> moin
12:24 < Baldzius> hi morfoh
12:26 < _Lewellyn> morning morfoh
12:26 < _Lewellyn> gah. when this damned grep finally ends i can go and get 4 hours or so of sleep :(
12:27 < morfoh> hi Baldzius, _Lewellyn
12:27 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: still awake ?
12:27 < _Lewellyn> yes :(
12:27 < _Lewellyn> still at work, too
12:27 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: :(
12:27 < _Lewellyn> i guess i'll be able to get breakfast when i leave, as opposed to dinner
12:28 < _Lewellyn> i think today i leave early
12:28 < _Lewellyn> what sucks is that i've been sitting here waiting for some lame greps to go
12:28 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: yeah ... it's friday :)
12:29 < morfoh> brb
12:59 < _Lewellyn> wee! all my emails are done and my greps, too! :)
13:00 < _Lewellyn> that means that my cpu is now being utilized fully for completing my build :)
13:00 < morfoh> :)
13:00 < _Lewellyn> i suspect it has about an hour left. so it should be done by the time i come back to work in 2-3 hours
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13:42 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12092 /trunk/package/gnome14/gnomemm12/gcc4.patch: * gcc4 fixes
13:44 < morfoh> jsaw: did you build a recent dietlibc-only target during the last days ?
13:44 < jsaw> morfoh: nope
13:45 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: if you wanted that, shoulda told me. i woulda done this one as dietlibc only
13:45 < _Lewellyn> :)
13:47 < morfoh> jsaw: hmmmm ... I had problems building gcc 3.4.4 the last time. the dietlibc patches for gcc don't work anymore, and I had no luck to adapt :/
13:47 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: you'll not have much fun while build dietlibc only target atm
13:48 < _Lewellyn> oh :(
13:48 < jsaw> trunk/2.1 ?
13:49 < morfoh> 2.1
13:49 < _Lewellyn> btw, wtf is libkipi? i'm looking over the stuff that's been built...
13:49 < jsaw> <- working on trunk.... (gcc4 is even harder...)
13:49 < morfoh> jsaw: I can imagine :|
13:50 < _Lewellyn> why does dietlibc have so many problems, btw?
13:51 < jsaw> dunno, actually I don't see any with dietlibc itself.
13:51 < jsaw> your prbs are more like compiling apps with dietlibc, or?
13:58 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12093 /trunk/package/gnome14/gconf110/gcc4.patch: * gcc4 fixes
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14:18 < CIA-9> chris * r12094 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/patches/: * deleted prelude patches for snort because prelude is officially supported since snort-2.4.0
14:30 < CIA-9> chris * r12095 /branches/2.1/package/security/snort/ (snort.conf snort.desc):
14:30 < CIA-9> * merged 10041,12042,12043,12078,12086: added and exported LD_RUN_PATH to fix
14:30 < CIA-9> snort finding the mysql libs, updated snort to recent stable version 2.4.1,
14:30 < CIA-9> cleaned up snort.conf and revised prelude support, added Sourcefire VRT
14:30 < CIA-9> Certified Rules (unregistered user release)
14:31 < _Lewellyn> ok. off to shower, then return.
14:34 < _Lewellyn> and i'm on the final package for stage 5: ooo...
14:34 < _Lewellyn> damn. :(
14:39 < CIA-9> chris * r12096 /branches/2.1/package/security/ (7 files in 6 dirs): * merged 12021,12022,12023,12024,12025,12094: updated all prelude related packages to recent released stable version, removed snort patches because prelude support is officially included since snort-2.4.0
15:36 < CIA-9> aldas * r12097 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-doc-utils/gnome-doc-utils.desc: * decrease compile order to be built before gnome-desktop
16:04 < CIA-9> chris * r12098 /trunk/package/base/runit/packages/ (2 files): * added .tail file for prelude-manager and prelude-lml
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16:50 < mnemoc> moin
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16:50 < morfoh> moin mnemoc :)
16:50 < mnemoc> moin morfoh
16:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, why is snort.tail not working just if I use snort-snort.tail ? but this will lead to a "$sysconfdir/snort/run"
16:57 < CIA-9> chris * r12099 /trunk/package/base/runit/packages/snort-run.txt: * added runit run file for snort
16:57 < mnemoc> trace it... i don't remeber how that script works :\
16:58 < mnemoc> what mss-clamping is?
17:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.cookbook.mtu-mss.html <-- perhaps this will help
17:00 < mnemoc> thanks
17:02 < mnemoc> that seems to solve my routing troubles
17:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... I've found a nice paper regarding your problem ... but it's on german
17:04 < mnemoc> even svn to berlios works now :D
17:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: :D
17:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: do you use pppoe ?
17:04 < mnemoc> currently i'm mss-clamping all FORWARD.... can i limit it to '-i ppp0' ?
17:05 < mnemoc> you read the nice german paper, not me :)
17:06 < morfoh> mnemoc:indeed, but it's more general .... not linux configuration specific ;)
17:08 * mnemoc adding 'clamp_mtu' to his rocknet config
17:12 < morfoh> http://lists.debian.org/debian-firewall/2004/08/msg00085.html
17:13 < morfoh> mnemoc: ^ -o ppp0
17:14 < mnemoc> thanks
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17:15 < minto_> hi folks
17:15 < mnemoc> hi minto_
17:15 < mnemoc> morfoh: this is a good way to start the day :)
17:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: :)
17:15 < morfoh> hi minto_
17:15 < minto_> hey mnemoc, how are things going?
17:16 < minto_> yo morfoh
17:16 < morfoh> minto_: yo! what's up G ;)
17:16 < mnemoc> minto_: big headache, but finally my routing problem seems to be solved
17:17 < minto_> :) good for you
17:17 < minto_> mnemoc: so next time on noisy you will not get thrown out :)
17:17 < CIA-9> amery * r12100 /trunk/package/network/iptables/rocknet_iptables.sh: * changed rocknet/clamp_mtu to be interface specific
17:18 < mnemoc> minto_: ack :D
17:18 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'll merge the run scripts for prelude* and snort into 2.1
17:18 < mnemoc> morfoh: find what's wrong with snort first
17:18 < mnemoc> :)
17:18 < minto_> btw, I can leave noisy on for nearly a week (till next thursday). Anyone interested in burning some cpu cycles?
17:18 < mnemoc> set -x/set +x on runit/parse-config :p
17:19 < mnemoc> minto_: do you have my pubkey? :)
17:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: nothing is wrong ... I used snort-run.txt in favour of tail for now ;)
17:19 < mnemoc> ok
17:19 < minto_> mnemoc: I have not changed the box since you where on last time
17:20 < mnemoc> minto_: tell me when i can start burning and the name ;)
17:21 < minto_> mnemoc: I will turn on the box tomorrow morning. You should be able to reach it with ssh on multimach.dyndns.org
17:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: please don't burn yourself :p
17:22 < mnemoc> minto_: thanks ;)
17:22 < mnemoc> morfoh: not yet
17:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: good
17:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, how do I get stone's mod_runit ?
17:25 < mnemoc> copy it from trunk to /etc/stone.d/mod_runit.sh
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17:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've no /etc/stone.d/mod_runit.sh
17:30 < mnemoc> copy it _from_ trunk _to_ /etc/stone.d/mod_runit.sh
17:30 < morfoh> oh! ... sorry
17:35 < CIA-9> amery * r12101 /trunk/package/network/iptables/rocknet_iptables.sh: * changed rocknet/clamp_mtu to be added before any other FORWARD rule
17:35 < mnemoc> where apt-get or gentoo portage save it's data? /var/... ?
17:37 < morfoh> mnemoc: mod_runit.sh is nice :)
17:37 < mnemoc> very simple, but does the job
17:38 < morfoh> mnemoc: but how can I remove a service ?
17:38 < mnemoc> you can't
17:38 < morfoh> mnemoc: that's what I see ;)
17:39 < mnemoc> stop the service and the log, and then rm the symlink by hand
17:39 < mnemoc> too risky, i don't want to be responsable for wrong removes
17:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok :)
17:39 < mnemoc> same from vserver
17:40 < mnemoc> i create, configure, start, stop, but never delete
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18:56 < mnemoc> does fping works for anyone?
18:58 < valentin> fping is evil, why do you want such a thing ?
18:58 < valentin> hi mnemoc btw
19:03 < mnemoc> why evil?
19:03 < mnemoc> hi valentin :)
19:10 < valentin> don't dare to fping my server
19:12 < mnemoc> 3)
19:12 < mnemoc> :)
19:12 < valentin> or i'll fping you, and then i win :)
19:13 < mnemoc> current fping returns '4' even for -h
19:13 < mnemoc> is it a bad tool, or simple 'too agresive'?
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19:15 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: doesn't work for me either
19:16 < mnemoc> fping-2.4b2_to seems to work fine...
19:16 < mnemoc> .oO( trace or downdate? )o
19:19 < _Ragnar_> stops right after reading /etc/protocols
19:20 < mnemoc> that is nss afaik
19:21 < _Ragnar_> getprotobyname("ipv6-icmp") = NULL
19:21 < _Ragnar_> exit(4
19:22 < mnemoc> oh
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19:33 < valentin> mnemoc: just evil :)
19:33 < valentin> i do not even have an fping - did not know that was a separate package
19:41 < mnemoc> valentin: for a system-wide 'apt-get'-like tool (tpt-get), where would you store the data? /var/...?
19:48 < valentin> we store our flists, packgage configs etc in /var/adm. what about that ?
19:50 < mnemoc> .oO
19:51 < mnemoc> i have the idea of 'grep-friendlyness' and lightweight for that directorio.... but it's just a replaceable paradigm
19:51 < valentin> why .oO ?
19:52 < mnemoc> i understand .oO as 'thinking'.... what do you understand from it?
19:53 < valentin> ooooo O_O
19:53 < valentin> what does tpt stand for ?
19:53 < mnemoc> t2-package-tool :)
19:54 < mnemoc> any better name for a package grabber and 'managed'-Emerge-Pkg ?
19:54 < valentin> hm, somehow i do not like it because it sounds like "we wanna be debian alike"
19:54 < mnemoc> valentin: give me a name
19:54 < valentin> grabber :)
19:55 < valentin> no idea :/
19:55 < valentin> if i were creative, t2 had a much better name
19:55 < mnemoc> :D
19:57 < mnemoc> 'SDE Package Manager' = spm ?
19:58 < mnemoc> looks better, but sounds like rpm :\
19:58 < valentin> hehe
19:58 < valentin> Sde PAckage Manager SPAM
19:59 < mnemoc> :D
19:59 < mnemoc> /var/adm/spam/ :p
20:00 < mnemoc> well.... we could make 'spam' submit .cache files and flood your server :p
20:00 < valentin> :D
20:01 < valentin> spam-get :)
20:01 < mnemoc> are you serious about 'spam', i like the name
20:01 < valentin> i find it funny, too :)
20:02 < valentin> much better than tpt-get
20:02 < mnemoc> *ACK*
20:02 < valentin> how will it work ?
20:02 < mnemoc> two ways, bin and source
20:03 < mnemoc> for binary, on Config time distribution maintainer will give an URL where to find the files
20:04 < mnemoc> for source, if that URL exist, and has a SDE_LASTEST file, take that as repository location
20:04 < valentin> on that server for binarys, will there be some info wich updates are available ?
20:04 < mnemoc> if not, parse /etc/{ROCK,SDE}-VERSION
20:05 < mnemoc> i'm not sure how to compare files with versions installed
20:05 < mnemoc> checksum? date? package.db?
20:06 < valentin> on client side ? head -n 1 /var/adm/packages/$pkg
20:07 < mnemoc> once having the updated copy of the lastest safe SDE he can use, take /etc/{ROCK,SDE}-CONFIG, enable expert and pkgsel, and populate pksel with packages installed but not Xed for that target
20:07 < mnemoc> valentin: just version then?
20:07 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12102 /trunk/package/gnome2/balsa/icon-cache-ignore-theme.patch:
20:07 < CIA-9> * no theme for balsa icons...
20:07 < CIA-9> invoke gtp-update-icon-cache with --ignore-themes
20:08 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12103 /trunk/package/gnome2/epiphany/omf.patch: * patch does neither apply nor is needed
20:08 < valentin> what else ? minor package fixes without package version update ?
20:08 < mnemoc> and improve Emerge-Pkg, to only consider O deps for O packages
20:08 < mnemoc> yep
20:09 < mnemoc> we would need to micro-version every change
20:09 < valentin> what about svn revision ?
20:09 < valentin> it is up to the target maintainer, which binary update he puts online
20:09 < mnemoc> current t2-powered machines don't have that info
20:10 < mnemoc> yes, files at $URL are the lastest for me
20:10 < valentin> we could change that for the future. current t2-powered machines don't have spam either
20:10 < mnemoc> but how do i know i need to update?
20:10 < mnemoc> we also release tarballs, so t2 users may be off-svn
20:11 < valentin> does it matter ?
20:12 < mnemoc> what about svn revision ?
20:12 < valentin> ah - you mean in case user builds his own binaries and mixes with spam updates ?
20:12 < mnemoc> yep
20:12 < valentin> basicaly we could solve that, but in either case its ugly
20:13 < valentin> in each case we would have to store micro-versions (or svn revisions) anywhere
20:14 < valentin> now i have an idea:
20:14 < mnemoc> T2 Package Source Checksum: 62736cb70018fb3e73060267ffc1dc44 <--- third line of /var/adm/package
20:14 < valentin> yes
20:14 < valentin> that was my idea :)
20:14 < mnemoc> :)
20:15 < valentin> but you do not know which one is newer :((
20:15 < mnemoc> the one at $URL, always the better?
20:15 < mnemoc> history?
20:15 < valentin> stuff gets messy :)
20:15 < mnemoc> :)
20:16 < valentin> we could do $URL always better, user should know what he does if he mixes hand made updates with spam
20:18 < valentin> i'd like to have spam as an alternative for auto-uptdating customer's machines
20:18 < valentin> in case security leaks occur
20:19 < valentin> so spam should support https and care about certificates
20:19 < mnemoc> GPG key from config/$config/ ?
20:20 < valentin> or this way
20:20 < valentin> i just thought about ssl certificates
20:21 < mnemoc> server can change...
20:22 < valentin> rightyright
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20:50 < morfoh> re hi *
20:50 < mnemoc> hi morfoh
20:50 < morfoh> hey mnemoc
20:51 < morfoh> mnemoc: I screwed up my system ... dunno why yet
20:51 < morfoh> arrrrgh
20:51 < mnemoc> ?
20:52 < morfoh> hmmmm .... i.e. proc wasn't monted at boot
20:54 < morfoh> but I don't know why ... ok... it wasn't really screwed up ;)
20:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, have you read the last speech of Chavez at the UN ?
20:55 < mnemoc> nope
20:55 < CIA-9> amery * r12104 /trunk/package/network/dante/dante.desc: * updated dante (1.1.17 -> 1.1.18)
20:56 < mnemoc> no time for reading news
20:56 < morfoh> :(
21:00 < morfoh> I'm reading mostly my news paper while driving train
21:02 < mnemoc> you drive a train?
21:03 * _Ragnar_ is been driven mad
21:05 < mnemoc> yesterday a drunk train driver here had to pay 0.07 eur because he drive 300k with the doors open and without stoping
21:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: of course I'm not driving the train ... I'm sitting in the train and let another one drive
21:06 < mnemoc> the trains law had about 80 years and they forgot to update the amounts :\
21:06 < mnemoc> 300km
21:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah ...
21:06 < morfoh> 300km :)
21:07 < morfoh> what kind of train was that ?
21:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess you meant plane :p
21:07 < mnemoc> normal passanger train
21:07 < morfoh> *normal* ;)
21:07 < mnemoc> .oO
21:08 < mnemoc> wasn't funny for the 120 people inside the train
21:08 < CIA-9> msluis * r12105 /trunk/package/java/maven/ (maven.conf maven.desc): * updated maven (2.0-alpha-2 -> 2.0-beta-1)
21:08 < _Lewellyn> hoi. finally got around to checking my build that i should be installing soonly...
21:09 < _Lewellyn> looks good overall
21:09 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: can you look over the log?
21:10 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: what part?
21:10 < _Lewellyn> i put the whole thing up, the end mainly :)
21:10 < _Lewellyn> http://romonster.greenviolet.net/~lewellyn/t2/23sep05/stylistic.build.log
21:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: I can imagine that it wasn't funny for the people, but I think he wasn't driving 300km ... that's too much for a _normal_ passenger train :)
21:11 < minto_> hey folks
21:11 < mnemoc> were we don't have local train services, and chile is large
21:11 < mnemoc> here*
21:11 < morfoh> hey minto_
21:12 < minto_> Germany, France and Japan are competing for the fastest trains and all the time in Chili they managed to go 300 km/h in normal trains.
21:12 < morfoh> mnemoc: but it isn't easy to drive 300km with a _normal_ passenger train ... this is mor than the normal cruising speed of our high speed trains here in germany
21:13 < morfoh> minto_: :)
21:13 < minto_> Maybe these other countries should try drunken drivers as well. :)
21:13 < morfoh> yeah ... indeed :)
21:13 < mnemoc> morfoh: no 300km/h, 300km of distance
21:13 < minto_> Ahhh
21:13 < morfoh> mnemoc: aha!
21:13 < mnemoc> no hi-speed trains here
21:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... now I believe your story :)
21:14 < mnemoc> most parts of our train lines are over wood
21:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: sorry for yet another misinterpretation
21:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'd like to drive train in chile :)
21:15 < mnemoc> :)
21:15 < minto_> morfoh: be careful with drunken drivers over there ;)
21:15 < morfoh> minto_: no problem I'll go to the driver and we'll drink together :)
21:16 < minto_> hehe, they in the end you will be driven the train, so no more newspaper reading for you
21:16 < minto_> they = then
21:17 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: most interesting is the error from ooo
21:17 < morfoh> one of my collegues at work goes to brazil in about 3 weeks and he has too much fears, because he thinks he'll be lynched or robbed :p
21:18 < _Lewellyn> where is that regression script again?
21:18 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: i don't see that on my irc log
21:18 < _Lewellyn> the url i gave
21:18 < mnemoc> misc/archive/RegressionsReport
21:18 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: what URL ?
21:18 < _Lewellyn> http://romonster.greenviolet.net/~lewellyn/t2/23sep05/stylistic.build.log
21:19 < _Lewellyn> i'll be putting up the regressions in a moment.
21:19 < mnemoc> DNS error
21:20 < _Lewellyn> gar
21:20 < _Lewellyn> 67.169.171.20
21:20 < _Lewellyn> yay dynamic dns :(
21:20 < _Lewellyn> that ip is the current one for the hostname
21:21 < mnemoc> !> checking for xsltproc... no
21:21 < mnemoc> !> configure: error: xsltproc is required
21:21 < _Lewellyn> yar
21:21 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: I can reach the URL
21:22 < mnemoc> add libxslt to ooo module please :)
21:23 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: i had that on GNOME.minimal.... but making ooo depend on GNOME doesn't sound good
21:24 < _Lewellyn> no, it does not.
21:24 < _Lewellyn> i purposely avoided gnome
21:24 < _Lewellyn> kde was the lesser of the two evils, and i didn't want that either, really...
21:25 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: then add libxslt to ooo module, and other possible libxslt and ooo dependencies
21:25 < _Lewellyn> what are other possible libxslt dependencies? and what is the proper way to add it? another [D]?
21:26 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: no, mnemosyne module
21:27 < mnemoc> echo X libxslt > target/mnemosyne2/pkgsel/Desktop/Office\ Suite/ooo.ask
21:29 < _Lewellyn> ok
21:30 < _Lewellyn> also, how can i get lprng rather than cups?
21:30 < _Lewellyn> wait. nevermind.
21:30 < _Lewellyn> i don't need to know that this time :)
21:32 < mnemoc> i was about to remove lprng.... rene told me that even cups is a better alternative to lprng
21:33 < mnemoc> i haven't ever use it
21:34 < _Lewellyn> cups is overly complex and makes it hard to keep common config files between linux and "standard" unix systems :)
21:34 < _Lewellyn> almost whenever i have a printing issue, it's because i'm using cups rather than lprng
21:36 < mnemoc> ic
21:38 < _Lewellyn> (i also only ever use postscript printers, too)
21:44 < valentin> re
21:51 < minto_> Can anyone give me a hint how to dowload a package straight from svn. I do now want a revision number I want a get a special tag.
21:51 < _Lewellyn> so, what should i do about nullmailer? i don't see a reason for failure
21:51 < minto_> o_O Seem like my keyboard ( or my typing ) is broken.
21:52 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: it created it's home
21:52 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: reschedule it :\
21:53 < mnemoc> minto_: ?
21:54 < minto_> mnemoc_: Current maven package is a binary package. I want to switcht to a source package. But unfortunately no src tarball published.
21:54 < _Lewellyn> minto_: no, it's just us which is broken :)
21:54 < minto_> :)
21:55 < mnemoc> minto_: i don't follow you
21:55 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: this is your error:
21:55 < mnemoc> !> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: home/nullmail
21:55 < mnemoc> !> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: home/nullmail/mail
21:55 < _Lewellyn> aha. ok.
21:55 < mnemoc> no idea why, -remove it and Build-Target again :\
21:56 < minto_> to get the source from subversion:
21:56 < minto_> svn co http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/components/trunk maven-components
21:56 < minto_> But I want to get the tag maven-2.0-beta-1
21:56 < minto_> Now I wonder how to put this is maven.desc
21:56 < CIA-9> chris * r12106 /trunk/package/base/runit/packages/ (2 files): * added log for prelude-manager and prelude-lml
21:56 < minto_> Currently I have something that does not work:
21:56 < minto_> [D] 0 maven-2.0-beta-1.tar.bz2 svn+http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/components/tags/maven-2.0-beta-1 maven-2.0-beta-1
21:57 < morfoh> minto_: hat about removing "svn+" ?
21:57 < mnemoc> you have to select a revision or a date
21:58 < mnemoc> morfoh: it's svn, a directory
21:58 < _Lewellyn> i'm going to have to submit patches for the couple of changes, too, i think. soon i will be done with my second mnemosyne2 build! :)
21:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: okok
21:58 < mnemoc> morfoh: and use X on checksum
21:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok
21:58 < mnemoc> o.o
21:59 < mnemoc> s/morfoh/minto_/
21:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok :p
22:00 * _Lewellyn wonders where the hell the other instance of rock he saw came from...
22:01 < minto_> mnemoc: I do not now the revision number I want to get, but I do now the tag.
22:01 < minto_> now = know
22:01 < mnemoc> minto_: on svn you _can_ change tags
22:02 < mnemoc> minto_: Revision 291197: /maven/components/tags/maven-2.0-beta-1 <--- just use that number
22:02 < mnemoc> quite big number o.o
22:04 < minto_> I think a lot of the apache subprojects are in the same repository.
22:07 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: what exactly did you mean by "-remove it"?
22:07 < mnemoc> Create-ErrList -cfg yourthing -remove nullmailer
22:08 < _Lewellyn> ah. ok. thanks.
22:08 < mnemoc> valentin: i assume spam will also replace mine... doesn't it?
22:10 < _Lewellyn> also, is there an automated svn way to generate a patchset with my changes?
22:10 < valentin> mnemoc: i hope so
22:10 < mnemoc> morfoh: vps works on context 0 for you?
22:10 < _Lewellyn> since svn doesn't list M a bunch of times, i don't even know which files have changed :(
22:10 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: svn diff ?
22:10 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: and svn st
22:10 < _Lewellyn> ah, so svn diff with no arguments
22:13 < _Lewellyn> my diffs are minor, but are in the 23sep05 dir that i previously gave the url to :)
22:15 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: repaste with ip please :)
22:16 < _Lewellyn> http://67.169.171.20/~lewellyn/t2/23sep05/
22:17 < _Lewellyn> there are 2 diffs. one against each checkout that i've done. :)
22:17 < _Lewellyn> i'd augment the Config help, but i don't know where to do so
22:18 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: name and email please
22:18 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: is that enough to build ooo without gnome?
22:21 < _Lewellyn> it *seems* to be. ooo is chugging away
22:22 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: name and email please
22:22 * mnemoc going for more coke, brb
22:24 < _Lewellyn> also, will you attribute my with irc nick as well? most people only know me as lewellyn :)
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22:24 < _Lewellyn> if so, Matt Lewandowsky
22:24 < _Lewellyn> coke or coca-cola, btw? ;)
22:24 < mnemoc> yes
22:25 < mnemoc> we have a free machine here
22:25 < _Lewellyn> and my current nick is the usual normalization of it.
22:25 < mnemoc> :)
22:25 < _Lewellyn> free cocaine machine? sweet. i need one of them! ;)
22:25 < rxr_> rehi
22:26 -!- You're now known as rxr
22:26 < mnemoc> hi rxr
22:26 < _Lewellyn> hoi rxr :)
22:26 < CIA-9> amery * r12107 /trunk/scripts/ (Build-Target config.hlp):
22:26 < CIA-9> Matt Lewandowsky :
22:26 < CIA-9> * removed two unneeded references to ROCK
22:26 < mnemoc> rxr: spam=SDE PAckage Manager
22:27 < rxr> mnemoc: ?
22:27 < mnemoc> what do you think of the name?
22:27 < _Lewellyn> wee! :)
22:27 < mnemoc> spam-get ooo
22:27 < minto_> mnemoc: thanks, downloading went smooth this time
22:28 < mnemoc> minto_: what did i do?
22:28 * _Lewellyn is uneasy with the name "spam"...
22:28 < mnemoc> optional package anyway ;)
22:28 < minto_> mnemoc: Help me out with the svn stuff
22:28 < _Lewellyn> nope. ooo didn't build
22:29 < mnemoc> minto_: ah, ok. yw :)
22:29 < _Lewellyn> needs zip, too, it seems
22:29 * _Lewellyn looks
22:29 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: you know what to do
22:29 < _Lewellyn> yes, i do, now :)
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22:30 < madtux> hello
22:30 < _Lewellyn> hoi madtux
22:31 < madtux> hi :)
22:31 < madtux> how is it going?
22:31 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: perhaps i'll add an svn up cronjob, too :/
22:31 < _Lewellyn> good good
22:31 < mnemoc> hi madtux
22:31 < _Lewellyn> how're you?
22:31 < madtux> mnemoc!
22:32 < madtux> _Lewellyn: i am great
22:34 < mnemoc> great to hear that
22:35 * minto_ is tired
22:35 < minto_> hi madtux :)
22:36 < minto_> I am off to bed now. See guys later
22:36 < madtux> geezz...
22:36 < madtux> this mortals..
22:36 < madtux> night Lord minto_
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22:57 < rxr> mnemoc: how are you ?
22:58 < madtux> mnemoc: please don't forget to send that log, i have some spare time today and would really like to get started with the t2/lvm "howto"
22:58 < mnemoc> big headache, but fine.... and you?
22:59 < mnemoc> madtux: drop that xchat and install a decent irc client :)
22:59 < madtux> mnemoc: i am not running xchat..
22:59 < mnemoc> yesterday you did :)
22:59 < rxr> mnemoc: traveled to my parents today
22:59 < madtux> is irssi a decent irc client in ur opinion?
22:59 < rxr> some family weekend and PR material creation and then fair next week ...
22:59 < mnemoc> rxr: are you there now?
23:00 < mnemoc> madtux: of course ;)
23:00 < rxr> mnemoc: yep - sinde 15.00 - 23.00 now ...
23:00 < mnemoc> rxr: eating good? ;)
23:00 < madtux> mnemoc: don't u ever think about anything else besides food?
23:01 < rxr> mnemoc: yep - got some bbq ,-)
23:01 < mnemoc> uhm.... welll yes, but now there is bread smell here... so i'm hungry
23:01 < mnemoc> rxr: :)
23:01 < madtux> mnemoc: you are always hungry...
23:01 < mnemoc> :|
23:02 < madtux> mnemoc: i see that picture u posted on the rock gallery... and compare it to the other one u showed me... i can really tell you are always trying to eat.. you've gained quite some weight
23:02 * madtux hides quickly
23:02 < mnemoc> madtux: nope, i weight less... but i did sports on that time
23:03 < madtux> i se..
23:03 < madtux> ok ok..
23:03 < madtux> btw,.. Hello rxr
23:03 < mnemoc> now i walk about 1:30h per day and stay sit drinking coke about 17h per day
23:03 < rxr> have to install a hal/d-bus/udev T2 to my fathers PC - so he does not need to call everytime he plugs in a device not yet statically configured ...
23:03 < rxr> same for my broher
23:03 < mnemoc> :D
23:04 < rxr> though there I only have the 2.1 PPC build with me - thus needing post install trunk migration for udev/d-bus/hal ...
23:04 < rxr> but my brother is demanding this even more with his firewire HDs, cell phone, ipod, ...
23:04 < mnemoc> :D
23:04 < rxr> pain without such dynamics ...
23:09 < mnemoc> i got a DELL catalog today..... all the damn machines with windows included :\
23:10 < madtux> mnemoc: if u order online u can ask for no os.
23:10 < mnemoc> and you get the money discount?
23:10 < mnemoc> or just cd-less? ;)
23:10 < madtux> i have purchased.. ALOT of hardware with dell
23:11 < _Lewellyn> eep! my build volume just ran out of space!
23:11 < madtux> depends on what u are buying... i like to buy online cause they are concious of the hight rates of taxes here for example so they fix the price
23:11 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: i have 30G dedicated to t2 builds :\
23:11 < madtux> mnemoc: get in touch with them... they normally discount you money and also give u extra free stuff..
23:11 < _Lewellyn> yar. that's why i wanted to get rid of some unneeded downloads. i only have the space on the drive which just got partitioned for my new install...
23:12 < _Lewellyn> and i'm not going to move it all over there at this point :/
23:12 < mnemoc> madtux: i can't buy any of those anyway ;)
23:12 < madtux> well i am just giving advice.. like if its for work or so.
23:13 < mnemoc> madtux: are you happy with those LOT of dell hardware?
23:13 * _Lewellyn frees up space
23:13 < madtux> mnemoc: that stuff has been for clients ... i only have a couple of dell boxes.
23:14 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: you need ot look at the precision line
23:14 < madtux> but yeah i am happy.. this boxes work good and this guys honor their warranties
23:14 < _Lewellyn> we like our 370n machines.
23:14 < _Lewellyn> irony: our 370n machines run windows and the 370 machines run linux :)
23:14 < mnemoc> o.o
23:15 < _Lewellyn> because we needed the windows licenses for vmware on the linux machines. the windows machines used the existing licenses the users had :)
23:15 < _Lewellyn> (iirc, the n means "No Windows License")
23:16 < mnemoc> can you install a windows oem to a different machine?
23:17 < _Lewellyn> "yes", since it's not a different machine. just running under another os on the machine with the sticker on it.
23:24 * _Lewellyn wonders why sometimes Download doesn't...
23:24 < _Lewellyn> if i go back in my commandline history and run the same Download, it then goes.
23:26 -!- madtux [n=mike@196.40.44.28] has quit ["leaving"]
23:28 < mnemoc> i have to go.... bbl
23:28 < _Lewellyn> adios mnemoc
23:28 < _Lewellyn> ttyl
23:29 < _Lewellyn> i'll put up new patches later :)
23:35 < _Lewellyn> gar. stupid lack of hard disk space :(
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