--- Log opened Fri Sep 23 00:00:34 2005 00:09 < CIA-9> amery * r12085 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/sysfiles.conf: 00:09 < CIA-9> * renamed ROCK-VERSION to SDE-VERSION 00:09 < CIA-9> * renamed ROCK-CONFIG to SDE-CONFIG 00:09 < CIA-9> * unlinked VERSION from SDE-VERSION, and install $target/version.txt there if available 00:10 < _Lewellyn> woo :) 00:11 < _Lewellyn> btw, i noticed a couple of places in Config that still mention rock 00:11 < mnemoc> if you find ROCK references apart of copyrights, please send patches 00:12 < mnemoc> or rocknet or rockplug :) 00:12 < _Lewellyn> i'll have to figure out where it came from first :) 00:14 < mnemoc> :) 00:18 < _Ragnar_> re 00:19 < morfoh> wb _Ragnar_ 00:20 < mnemoc> morfoh: i have the same routing problem with berlios than with your svn..... may pound be doing something? 00:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: routing problem ? 00:21 < mnemoc> morfoh: after a few packages i loose comunication 00:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: hmmmm ... same with my svn server ? 00:24 < mnemoc> yep 00:25 < mnemoc> only when i'm NATed 00:25 < mnemoc> no problems from the router 00:31 < CIA-9> chris * r12086 /trunk/package/security/snort/ (snort.conf snort.desc): 00:31 < CIA-9> * removed Community-Rules from download 00:31 < CIA-9> * added Sourcefire VRT Certified Rules - The Official Snort Ruleset (unregistered user release) <-- what heck ;) 00:31 < CIA-9> * improved and wiped out postmake hook 00:34 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12087 /trunk/package/base/bison/disable-examples.patch: * disable building examples (breaks stage 1 'cause it requires c++) 00:35 < mnemoc> bbl 00:35 < morfoh> cu mnemoc 00:35 < morfoh> greetings to the kids 00:35 < mnemoc> :) 00:35 < mnemoc> cu 00:35 < morfoh> cu :) 00:43 < morfoh> good night * 00:45 < _Lewellyn> night sleepers :) 00:45 -!- madtux [n=mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #t2 00:45 < madtux> hello 00:45 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: psssssssstttt ... the channel is logged :| 00:46 < morfoh> hi racing madtux :) 00:46 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: all the more reason to wish them all goodnight; they'll see it later :) 00:46 < _Lewellyn> hoi madtux 00:46 < madtux> hey guys 00:46 < madtux> morfoh, racing? 00:47 < morfoh> madtux: I mean ... moto cross 00:48 < madtux> oh ;) 00:48 < morfoh> madtux: I didn't want to say hi pyro ;) 00:49 < madtux> haha 00:49 < madtux> i didn't knew i had told ya about the cross.. 00:49 < morfoh> madtux: hehe ... you told me everything :p 00:50 < madtux> i don't tell everything... never. 00:50 < madtux> :) 00:50 < morfoh> good :) 00:50 < morfoh> a good paratux he is 00:51 < madtux> mm... 00:51 < madtux> i am not sure ... but... meditate on this i will. 00:51 < morfoh> besides the fact paratux uses selinux :p 00:53 < madtux> whats so bad about it 00:53 < madtux> ? 00:53 < madtux> ;) 00:53 < morfoh> madtux: go meditate ;) 00:53 < madtux> nah 00:54 < madtux> so how are things? 00:56 < morfoh> madtux: last commited revision was r12087 ... so it goes quite well :) 00:56 * morfoh is going to sleep finaly ... good night 00:56 < _Lewellyn> bah. i've only updated to r12083 ;) 00:56 < _Lewellyn> sleep well morfoh 00:56 < morfoh> thanks 00:56 < morfoh> .) 00:58 < madtux> who is going to bed 00:59 < _Lewellyn> not i. 1600 here :) 01:01 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BECCAF.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["leaving"] 01:02 < madtux> damn mortals.. 01:02 < madtux> _Lewellyn, where is it that you are at ? 01:04 < _Lewellyn> san francisco 01:04 < madtux> thats nice. 01:05 < madtux> i lived in LA for a while... long time ago 01:23 < _Lewellyn> less smog and more fog here :) 01:25 < CIA-9> miguelb * r12088 /trunk/package/selinux/ (7 files in 7 dirs): (log message trimmed) 01:25 < CIA-9> * updated policy (1.24 -> 1.26) 01:25 < CIA-9> * updated setools (2.1.1 -> 2.1.2) 01:25 < CIA-9> * updated libsepol (1.6 -> 1.8) 01:25 < CIA-9> * updated policycoreutils (1.24 -> 1.26) 01:25 < CIA-9> * updated selinux-doc (1.20 -> 1.22) 01:25 < CIA-9> * updated checkpolicy (1.24 -> 1.26) 01:25 < madtux> sounds nice... i will have to go there sometime 01:26 < _Lewellyn> please do visit 01:26 < madtux> i don't have any travel schedule for the rest of the year, but we will see. 01:26 < _Lewellyn> :( 01:26 < madtux> sometime next year 01:26 < madtux> :) 01:35 < _Lewellyn> good good. 01:35 < _Lewellyn> perhaps we can pull all of the channel's inhabitants out here at once :) 01:35 < madtux> hehe 01:36 < madtux> WTF... silo is not even listen on freshmeat anymore.. 01:40 < _Lewellyn> hm? 01:40 < madtux> look for silo at freshmeat.. 01:41 < _Lewellyn> 0 projects found 01:42 < madtux> yeah.. 01:42 < madtux> and the site is not even accessible 01:42 < _Lewellyn> huh 01:42 < madtux> i will email ben.. 01:43 < madtux> its been a while since i don't play with sparc stuff.. but i don't know.. 01:43 < madtux> i hope he didn't just abandon the project 01:43 < _Lewellyn> ya, i don't think i played much with silo when i tried getting linux loaded on my sparcs 01:44 < madtux> wait... 01:44 < madtux> seems like he has made some DNS changes 01:44 < madtux> :) 01:46 < _Lewellyn> http://www.splack.org/index.php 01:46 < madtux> no fscking way.. 01:46 < _Lewellyn> second news item on the home page 01:46 < madtux> lets see 01:46 < _Lewellyn> mirror is 2 comments deep 01:47 < madtux> i know the mirrors of silo... i am concerned about master 01:47 < madtux> btw... i hate you for making go to that site.. 01:49 < madtux> i'm decided to get t2 running on my ultra 01:55 < _Lewellyn> t2 on sparc would be good 01:55 < _Lewellyn> but why hate me? :( 01:57 < madtux> reminded me of my issues with the former leader of that project. 01:57 < madtux> nevermind u are a nice guy... its not ur fault. 02:01 < _Lewellyn> ah. i was unaware of tension there. 02:01 < _Lewellyn> i would have just said "find a mirror" if i had known :) 02:03 < madtux> no worries :) 02:04 < madtux> its a very long and old story 02:05 < _Lewellyn> it's ok. i'll try to remember to not send you there again :) 02:05 < madtux> :P 02:06 < madtux> so tell me how is the "T2 Life" treating you? 02:07 < madtux> u are using T2 at all? 02:07 < madtux> :) 02:10 < _Lewellyn> i'm finally going to upgrade from rock 2.0 this weekend 02:10 < _Lewellyn> going to try out t2 amd64 on an em64t box :) 02:10 < madtux> sounds pretty cool. 02:10 < madtux> so u are a rock developer? 02:10 < _Lewellyn> our pbx is getting a t2 build installed as we speak 02:11 < madtux> cool. 02:11 < _Lewellyn> no, more of a complainer :) 02:11 < madtux> how about on t2? 02:11 < madtux> :) 02:11 < _Lewellyn> i do, however, like to back up my complaints some :) 02:11 < _Lewellyn> nope. i'm generally a complainer :) 02:13 < madtux> so u are sort of a ... mm... General Complainer? 02:14 < madtux> hehe 02:16 < _Lewellyn> yes, but i try to be constructive :) 02:17 < _Lewellyn> ii think i've managed to volunteer for a list of missing packages that i've complained about :) 02:21 < mnemoc> rehi 02:26 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: i thought you went to sleep 02:26 < mnemoc> nah... i went to pick my girls up from kinder garden 02:30 < madtux> _Lewellyn, thats good.. 02:30 < madtux> when i grow up i hope to become a great developer like mnemoc 02:30 < madtux> mnemoc, welcome back 02:31 < mnemoc> pff 02:31 < mnemoc> hi madtux 02:32 < madtux> hello my friend. 02:32 < madtux> glad to see you 02:33 < mnemoc> my pleasure 02:56 < mnemoc> $ svn up 02:56 < mnemoc> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/t2/trunk' 02:56 < mnemoc> svn: PROPFIND of '/t2/trunk': 403 Forbidden (http://svn.exactcode.de) 02:58 < madtux> Quork!? 03:03 < mnemoc> valentin: awake? svn: PROPFIND of '/t2/trunk': 403 Forbidden (http://svn.exactcode.de) 03:12 < _Lewellyn> madtux: we all wish to be mnemoc :) 03:12 < mnemoc> o.o 03:12 < _Lewellyn> ok. off to class. should be back by 6am UTC 03:12 < madtux> cya 03:12 < madtux> mnemoc, the great master 03:12 < madtux> :) 03:13 < mnemoc> which will be expeled out of his house in two weeks 03:14 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: :( 03:14 * _Lewellyn goes *poof!* 03:15 < mnemoc> i guess i'll move to the house of my parents-in-law 03:19 < madtux> mnemoc, WHAT?! 03:25 < mnemoc> c'est la vie 06:50 < madtux> rxr awake? 06:50 < mnemoc> almost 7am there... :) 06:50 < madtux> i know... 07:04 < valentin> moin 07:04 < valentin> mnemoc: huh ? 07:05 < mnemoc> moin valentin 07:06 < valentin> svn not working ? 07:06 < mnemoc> valentin: now it does 07:07 < valentin> maybe the server had been offline 07:07 < valentin> why are you expeled ? 07:08 < mnemoc> i have not payed the rent in two months 07:08 < valentin> oha 07:08 < mnemoc> three months are not tolerated 07:08 < valentin> how much is rent ? 07:08 < mnemoc> about 200 eur 07:09 < valentin> i could lend you 1 rent 07:09 < valentin> but are there any perspectives for you ? 07:09 < valentin> i.e earning your rent in near future ? 07:10 < mnemoc> i hope so 07:10 < valentin> i think i can give away that 200 Euro. Anyone else ? rxr ? 07:10 < mnemoc> .oO 07:11 < valentin> if we give you two rents, will that be enough for another 2 month ? 07:12 < mnemoc> ehm.... yes... but but... i wasn't asking for money o.o 07:12 * mnemoc shames 07:13 < valentin> we need you here. i think you didn't earn money due to excessive t2 work 07:14 < mnemoc> i have to learn to sell more T2-powered machines 07:15 * mnemoc feels like shit 07:15 < mnemoc> madtux: installation finished? i'll go to try to sleep 07:16 < valentin> mnemoc: i think most of us were broken down at least once 07:16 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has joined #t2 07:16 < mnemoc> :) 07:22 < mnemoc> ok... good night (day) ... thanks valentin for your initiative .. but it really makes me shame 07:22 < mnemoc> cu 07:23 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AFAD41.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 07:24 < valentin> gn8 mnemoc 07:24 < madtux> cya all. 07:24 < mnemoc> gn8 07:24 < madtux> buenas noches mnemoc. 07:25 -!- madtux [n=mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit ["Leaving"] 07:31 < valentin> http://www.ev50.com/poll/ 07:32 < valentin> anyone knows whom to vote there besides florian mueller and michael rochard ? 07:40 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@p54AF9D7A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:44 < _Lewellyn> re all 07:49 < valentin> hi _Lewellyn 07:50 < _Lewellyn> oh wow. my build that i started 6 or 7 hours ago is at xorg in stage 5 07:51 < _Lewellyn> i wasn't expecting to build the iso tonite; i didn't buy a hdd o_O 07:57 < valentin> _Lewellyn: don't fear - whole kde will be build :) 07:57 < valentin> this takes some while 07:58 < _Lewellyn> well, gcc takes a matter of a few minutes, so kde doesn't worry me :) 08:05 < valentin> what machine do you have ? 08:06 < _Lewellyn> some overly powerful em64t thinger 08:07 < _Lewellyn> i think the cpu cache matters more than i ever suspected... 08:07 * _Lewellyn is glad he gave up a dvd burner for it :) 08:12 < _Lewellyn> in any case, i probably won't be here when it finishes, so i'll pick up a disc tomorrow morning and install then :) 08:12 * _Lewellyn really hopes that this plan to install onto a usb disc from vmware works... 08:43 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 09:00 < rxr> re 09:00 < rxr> oh hi valentin 09:06 < valentin> hi rxr 09:07 < _Lewellyn> morning rxr 09:07 < rxr> can you test 600dpi scans on the 610 ? 09:07 < rxr> I have a report that that would fail 09:08 < valentin> in each case ? 09:08 < rxr> I fwd you the big report mai 09:09 < rxr> I think it was color @ 600 dpi on the 610 fails 09:21 < CIA-9> rene * r12089 /trunk/package/ruby/ruby/ (ossl_x509store.patch ruby.desc): * updated ruby (1.8.2 -> 1.8.3) 10:26 -!- LeUcOs [n=leucos@naag.erasme.org] has joined #t2 10:32 < Baldzius> good morning :) 10:33 < _Lewellyn> morning :) 10:33 < Baldzius> rxr: i have a problem with new bison running Build-Target 10:34 < Baldzius> hi _Lewellyn, not sleeping? :) 10:36 < _Lewellyn> no. still at work. 10:37 < Baldzius> 01:36 at work? :) 10:41 < _Lewellyn> yes :( 10:41 < _Lewellyn> 2 clients to email yet. 10:42 < Baldzius> ic 10:49 < LeUcOs> hi guys 11:04 < jsaw> re 11:11 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has joined #t2 11:11 < rxr> cu 11:51 < _Lewellyn> gar. i thought i wouldn't be here when it's done :( 11:52 < _Lewellyn> #99 of 141 in stage 5. 11:52 < _Lewellyn> most of kde is done 11:52 < _Lewellyn> at least ooo is the last one :) 11:52 < _Lewellyn> that should take a while 11:55 -!- LeUcOs [n=leucos@naag.erasme.org] has left #t2 [] 12:04 < CIA-9> aldas * r12090 /trunk/package/network/squid/squid.desc: * updated squid (2.5.STABLE10 -> 2.5.STABLE11) 12:20 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12091 /trunk/package/gnome14/gtkmm12/gcc4.patch: * gcc4 fixes 12:23 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@mail.oberlinhaus.de] has joined #t2 12:23 < morfoh> moin 12:24 < Baldzius> hi morfoh 12:26 < _Lewellyn> morning morfoh 12:26 < _Lewellyn> gah. when this damned grep finally ends i can go and get 4 hours or so of sleep :( 12:27 < morfoh> hi Baldzius, _Lewellyn 12:27 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: still awake ? 12:27 < _Lewellyn> yes :( 12:27 < _Lewellyn> still at work, too 12:27 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: :( 12:27 < _Lewellyn> i guess i'll be able to get breakfast when i leave, as opposed to dinner 12:28 < _Lewellyn> i think today i leave early 12:28 < _Lewellyn> what sucks is that i've been sitting here waiting for some lame greps to go 12:28 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: yeah ... it's friday :) 12:29 < morfoh> brb 12:59 < _Lewellyn> wee! all my emails are done and my greps, too! :) 13:00 < _Lewellyn> that means that my cpu is now being utilized fully for completing my build :) 13:00 < morfoh> :) 13:00 < _Lewellyn> i suspect it has about an hour left. so it should be done by the time i come back to work in 2-3 hours 13:09 -!- menomc [n=amery@200.75.27.19] has joined #t2 13:10 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.20] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 13:13 -!- menomc is now known as mnemoc 13:42 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12092 /trunk/package/gnome14/gnomemm12/gcc4.patch: * gcc4 fixes 13:44 < morfoh> jsaw: did you build a recent dietlibc-only target during the last days ? 13:44 < jsaw> morfoh: nope 13:45 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: if you wanted that, shoulda told me. i woulda done this one as dietlibc only 13:45 < _Lewellyn> :) 13:47 < morfoh> jsaw: hmmmm ... I had problems building gcc 3.4.4 the last time. the dietlibc patches for gcc don't work anymore, and I had no luck to adapt :/ 13:47 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: you'll not have much fun while build dietlibc only target atm 13:48 < _Lewellyn> oh :( 13:48 < jsaw> trunk/2.1 ? 13:49 < morfoh> 2.1 13:49 < _Lewellyn> btw, wtf is libkipi? i'm looking over the stuff that's been built... 13:49 < jsaw> <- working on trunk.... (gcc4 is even harder...) 13:49 < morfoh> jsaw: I can imagine :| 13:50 < _Lewellyn> why does dietlibc have so many problems, btw? 13:51 < jsaw> dunno, actually I don't see any with dietlibc itself. 13:51 < jsaw> your prbs are more like compiling apps with dietlibc, or? 13:58 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12093 /trunk/package/gnome14/gconf110/gcc4.patch: * gcc4 fixes 14:14 -!- [Kosh] [n=kosh_nar@201.36.98.165] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:18 < CIA-9> chris * r12094 /trunk/package/security/libprelude/patches/: * deleted prelude patches for snort because prelude is officially supported since snort-2.4.0 14:30 < CIA-9> chris * r12095 /branches/2.1/package/security/snort/ (snort.conf snort.desc): 14:30 < CIA-9> * merged 10041,12042,12043,12078,12086: added and exported LD_RUN_PATH to fix 14:30 < CIA-9> snort finding the mysql libs, updated snort to recent stable version 2.4.1, 14:30 < CIA-9> cleaned up snort.conf and revised prelude support, added Sourcefire VRT 14:30 < CIA-9> Certified Rules (unregistered user release) 14:31 < _Lewellyn> ok. off to shower, then return. 14:34 < _Lewellyn> and i'm on the final package for stage 5: ooo... 14:34 < _Lewellyn> damn. :( 14:39 < CIA-9> chris * r12096 /branches/2.1/package/security/ (7 files in 6 dirs): * merged 12021,12022,12023,12024,12025,12094: updated all prelude related packages to recent released stable version, removed snort patches because prelude support is officially included since snort-2.4.0 15:36 < CIA-9> aldas * r12097 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnome-doc-utils/gnome-doc-utils.desc: * decrease compile order to be built before gnome-desktop 16:04 < CIA-9> chris * r12098 /trunk/package/base/runit/packages/ (2 files): * added .tail file for prelude-manager and prelude-lml 16:47 -!- Baldzius_ [n=mx@85.206.107.210] has joined #t2 16:50 < mnemoc> moin 16:50 -!- Baldzius [n=mx@84.46.226.121] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:50 < morfoh> moin mnemoc :) 16:50 < mnemoc> moin morfoh 16:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, why is snort.tail not working just if I use snort-snort.tail ? but this will lead to a "$sysconfdir/snort/run" 16:57 < CIA-9> chris * r12099 /trunk/package/base/runit/packages/snort-run.txt: * added runit run file for snort 16:57 < mnemoc> trace it... i don't remeber how that script works :\ 16:58 < mnemoc> what mss-clamping is? 17:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.cookbook.mtu-mss.html <-- perhaps this will help 17:00 < mnemoc> thanks 17:02 < mnemoc> that seems to solve my routing troubles 17:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... I've found a nice paper regarding your problem ... but it's on german 17:04 < mnemoc> even svn to berlios works now :D 17:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: :D 17:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: do you use pppoe ? 17:04 < mnemoc> currently i'm mss-clamping all FORWARD.... can i limit it to '-i ppp0' ? 17:05 < mnemoc> you read the nice german paper, not me :) 17:06 < morfoh> mnemoc:indeed, but it's more general .... not linux configuration specific ;) 17:08 * mnemoc adding 'clamp_mtu' to his rocknet config 17:12 < morfoh> http://lists.debian.org/debian-firewall/2004/08/msg00085.html 17:13 < morfoh> mnemoc: ^ -o ppp0 17:14 < mnemoc> thanks 17:15 -!- minto_ [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 17:15 < minto_> hi folks 17:15 < mnemoc> hi minto_ 17:15 < mnemoc> morfoh: this is a good way to start the day :) 17:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: :) 17:15 < morfoh> hi minto_ 17:15 < minto_> hey mnemoc, how are things going? 17:16 < minto_> yo morfoh 17:16 < morfoh> minto_: yo! what's up G ;) 17:16 < mnemoc> minto_: big headache, but finally my routing problem seems to be solved 17:17 < minto_> :) good for you 17:17 < minto_> mnemoc: so next time on noisy you will not get thrown out :) 17:17 < CIA-9> amery * r12100 /trunk/package/network/iptables/rocknet_iptables.sh: * changed rocknet/clamp_mtu to be interface specific 17:18 < mnemoc> minto_: ack :D 17:18 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'll merge the run scripts for prelude* and snort into 2.1 17:18 < mnemoc> morfoh: find what's wrong with snort first 17:18 < mnemoc> :) 17:18 < minto_> btw, I can leave noisy on for nearly a week (till next thursday). Anyone interested in burning some cpu cycles? 17:18 < mnemoc> set -x/set +x on runit/parse-config :p 17:19 < mnemoc> minto_: do you have my pubkey? :) 17:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: nothing is wrong ... I used snort-run.txt in favour of tail for now ;) 17:19 < mnemoc> ok 17:19 < minto_> mnemoc: I have not changed the box since you where on last time 17:20 < mnemoc> minto_: tell me when i can start burning and the name ;) 17:21 < minto_> mnemoc: I will turn on the box tomorrow morning. You should be able to reach it with ssh on multimach.dyndns.org 17:21 < morfoh> mnemoc: please don't burn yourself :p 17:22 < mnemoc> minto_: thanks ;) 17:22 < mnemoc> morfoh: not yet 17:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: good 17:24 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, how do I get stone's mod_runit ? 17:25 < mnemoc> copy it from trunk to /etc/stone.d/mod_runit.sh 17:28 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has joined #t2 17:28 -!- karasz [n=karasz@80.97.102.202] has left #t2 [] 17:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've no /etc/stone.d/mod_runit.sh 17:30 < mnemoc> copy it _from_ trunk _to_ /etc/stone.d/mod_runit.sh 17:30 < morfoh> oh! ... sorry 17:35 < CIA-9> amery * r12101 /trunk/package/network/iptables/rocknet_iptables.sh: * changed rocknet/clamp_mtu to be added before any other FORWARD rule 17:35 < mnemoc> where apt-get or gentoo portage save it's data? /var/... ? 17:37 < morfoh> mnemoc: mod_runit.sh is nice :) 17:37 < mnemoc> very simple, but does the job 17:38 < morfoh> mnemoc: but how can I remove a service ? 17:38 < mnemoc> you can't 17:38 < morfoh> mnemoc: that's what I see ;) 17:39 < mnemoc> stop the service and the log, and then rm the symlink by hand 17:39 < mnemoc> too risky, i don't want to be responsable for wrong removes 17:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok :) 17:39 < mnemoc> same from vserver 17:40 < mnemoc> i create, configure, start, stop, but never delete 18:07 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178183006.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 18:07 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0-rc3 RELEASED! | The next generation of System Development Environments (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 18:07 -!- Topic set by vilkacis [] [Sat Sep 17 20:47:59 2005] 18:07 [Users #t2] 18:07 [@vilkacis ] [ Baldzius] [ minto_] [ nzg ] [ SerWou ] 18:07 [ _Lewellyn] [ CIA-9 ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ valentin] 18:07 [ _Ragnar_ ] [ jsaw ] [ mtr ] [ rxr_] 18:07 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 18:07 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 18:07 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 18:07 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs 18:09 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178173001.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:56 < mnemoc> does fping works for anyone? 18:58 < valentin> fping is evil, why do you want such a thing ? 18:58 < valentin> hi mnemoc btw 19:03 < mnemoc> why evil? 19:03 < mnemoc> hi valentin :) 19:10 < valentin> don't dare to fping my server 19:12 < mnemoc> 3) 19:12 < mnemoc> :) 19:12 < valentin> or i'll fping you, and then i win :) 19:13 < mnemoc> current fping returns '4' even for -h 19:13 < mnemoc> is it a bad tool, or simple 'too agresive'? 19:15 -!- minto_ [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:15 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: doesn't work for me either 19:16 < mnemoc> fping-2.4b2_to seems to work fine... 19:16 < mnemoc> .oO( trace or downdate? )o 19:19 < _Ragnar_> stops right after reading /etc/protocols 19:20 < mnemoc> that is nss afaik 19:21 < _Ragnar_> getprotobyname("ipv6-icmp") = NULL 19:21 < _Ragnar_> exit(4 19:22 < mnemoc> oh 19:23 -!- minto_ [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 19:33 < valentin> mnemoc: just evil :) 19:33 < valentin> i do not even have an fping - did not know that was a separate package 19:41 < mnemoc> valentin: for a system-wide 'apt-get'-like tool (tpt-get), where would you store the data? /var/...? 19:48 < valentin> we store our flists, packgage configs etc in /var/adm. what about that ? 19:50 < mnemoc> .oO 19:51 < mnemoc> i have the idea of 'grep-friendlyness' and lightweight for that directorio.... but it's just a replaceable paradigm 19:51 < valentin> why .oO ? 19:52 < mnemoc> i understand .oO as 'thinking'.... what do you understand from it? 19:53 < valentin> ooooo O_O 19:53 < valentin> what does tpt stand for ? 19:53 < mnemoc> t2-package-tool :) 19:54 < mnemoc> any better name for a package grabber and 'managed'-Emerge-Pkg ? 19:54 < valentin> hm, somehow i do not like it because it sounds like "we wanna be debian alike" 19:54 < mnemoc> valentin: give me a name 19:54 < valentin> grabber :) 19:55 < valentin> no idea :/ 19:55 < valentin> if i were creative, t2 had a much better name 19:55 < mnemoc> :D 19:57 < mnemoc> 'SDE Package Manager' = spm ? 19:58 < mnemoc> looks better, but sounds like rpm :\ 19:58 < valentin> hehe 19:58 < valentin> Sde PAckage Manager SPAM 19:59 < mnemoc> :D 19:59 < mnemoc> /var/adm/spam/ :p 20:00 < mnemoc> well.... we could make 'spam' submit .cache files and flood your server :p 20:00 < valentin> :D 20:01 < valentin> spam-get :) 20:01 < mnemoc> are you serious about 'spam', i like the name 20:01 < valentin> i find it funny, too :) 20:02 < valentin> much better than tpt-get 20:02 < mnemoc> *ACK* 20:02 < valentin> how will it work ? 20:02 < mnemoc> two ways, bin and source 20:03 < mnemoc> for binary, on Config time distribution maintainer will give an URL where to find the files 20:04 < mnemoc> for source, if that URL exist, and has a SDE_LASTEST file, take that as repository location 20:04 < valentin> on that server for binarys, will there be some info wich updates are available ? 20:04 < mnemoc> if not, parse /etc/{ROCK,SDE}-VERSION 20:05 < mnemoc> i'm not sure how to compare files with versions installed 20:05 < mnemoc> checksum? date? package.db? 20:06 < valentin> on client side ? head -n 1 /var/adm/packages/$pkg 20:07 < mnemoc> once having the updated copy of the lastest safe SDE he can use, take /etc/{ROCK,SDE}-CONFIG, enable expert and pkgsel, and populate pksel with packages installed but not Xed for that target 20:07 < mnemoc> valentin: just version then? 20:07 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12102 /trunk/package/gnome2/balsa/icon-cache-ignore-theme.patch: 20:07 < CIA-9> * no theme for balsa icons... 20:07 < CIA-9> invoke gtp-update-icon-cache with --ignore-themes 20:08 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12103 /trunk/package/gnome2/epiphany/omf.patch: * patch does neither apply nor is needed 20:08 < valentin> what else ? minor package fixes without package version update ? 20:08 < mnemoc> and improve Emerge-Pkg, to only consider O deps for O packages 20:08 < mnemoc> yep 20:09 < mnemoc> we would need to micro-version every change 20:09 < valentin> what about svn revision ? 20:09 < valentin> it is up to the target maintainer, which binary update he puts online 20:09 < mnemoc> current t2-powered machines don't have that info 20:10 < mnemoc> yes, files at $URL are the lastest for me 20:10 < valentin> we could change that for the future. current t2-powered machines don't have spam either 20:10 < mnemoc> but how do i know i need to update? 20:10 < mnemoc> we also release tarballs, so t2 users may be off-svn 20:11 < valentin> does it matter ? 20:12 < mnemoc> what about svn revision ? 20:12 < valentin> ah - you mean in case user builds his own binaries and mixes with spam updates ? 20:12 < mnemoc> yep 20:12 < valentin> basicaly we could solve that, but in either case its ugly 20:13 < valentin> in each case we would have to store micro-versions (or svn revisions) anywhere 20:14 < valentin> now i have an idea: 20:14 < mnemoc> T2 Package Source Checksum: 62736cb70018fb3e73060267ffc1dc44 <--- third line of /var/adm/package 20:14 < valentin> yes 20:14 < valentin> that was my idea :) 20:14 < mnemoc> :) 20:15 < valentin> but you do not know which one is newer :(( 20:15 < mnemoc> the one at $URL, always the better? 20:15 < mnemoc> history? 20:15 < valentin> stuff gets messy :) 20:15 < mnemoc> :) 20:16 < valentin> we could do $URL always better, user should know what he does if he mixes hand made updates with spam 20:18 < valentin> i'd like to have spam as an alternative for auto-uptdating customer's machines 20:18 < valentin> in case security leaks occur 20:19 < valentin> so spam should support https and care about certificates 20:19 < mnemoc> GPG key from config/$config/ ? 20:20 < valentin> or this way 20:20 < valentin> i just thought about ssl certificates 20:21 < mnemoc> server can change... 20:22 < valentin> rightyright 20:49 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEB55E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 20:50 < morfoh> re hi * 20:50 < mnemoc> hi morfoh 20:50 < morfoh> hey mnemoc 20:51 < morfoh> mnemoc: I screwed up my system ... dunno why yet 20:51 < morfoh> arrrrgh 20:51 < mnemoc> ? 20:52 < morfoh> hmmmm .... i.e. proc wasn't monted at boot 20:54 < morfoh> but I don't know why ... ok... it wasn't really screwed up ;) 20:55 < morfoh> mnemoc: btw, have you read the last speech of Chavez at the UN ? 20:55 < mnemoc> nope 20:55 < CIA-9> amery * r12104 /trunk/package/network/dante/dante.desc: * updated dante (1.1.17 -> 1.1.18) 20:56 < mnemoc> no time for reading news 20:56 < morfoh> :( 21:00 < morfoh> I'm reading mostly my news paper while driving train 21:02 < mnemoc> you drive a train? 21:03 * _Ragnar_ is been driven mad 21:05 < mnemoc> yesterday a drunk train driver here had to pay 0.07 eur because he drive 300k with the doors open and without stoping 21:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: of course I'm not driving the train ... I'm sitting in the train and let another one drive 21:06 < mnemoc> the trains law had about 80 years and they forgot to update the amounts :\ 21:06 < mnemoc> 300km 21:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah ... 21:06 < morfoh> 300km :) 21:07 < morfoh> what kind of train was that ? 21:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess you meant plane :p 21:07 < mnemoc> normal passanger train 21:07 < morfoh> *normal* ;) 21:07 < mnemoc> .oO 21:08 < mnemoc> wasn't funny for the 120 people inside the train 21:08 < CIA-9> msluis * r12105 /trunk/package/java/maven/ (maven.conf maven.desc): * updated maven (2.0-alpha-2 -> 2.0-beta-1) 21:08 < _Lewellyn> hoi. finally got around to checking my build that i should be installing soonly... 21:09 < _Lewellyn> looks good overall 21:09 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: can you look over the log? 21:10 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: what part? 21:10 < _Lewellyn> i put the whole thing up, the end mainly :) 21:10 < _Lewellyn> http://romonster.greenviolet.net/~lewellyn/t2/23sep05/stylistic.build.log 21:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: I can imagine that it wasn't funny for the people, but I think he wasn't driving 300km ... that's too much for a _normal_ passenger train :) 21:11 < minto_> hey folks 21:11 < mnemoc> were we don't have local train services, and chile is large 21:11 < mnemoc> here* 21:11 < morfoh> hey minto_ 21:12 < minto_> Germany, France and Japan are competing for the fastest trains and all the time in Chili they managed to go 300 km/h in normal trains. 21:12 < morfoh> mnemoc: but it isn't easy to drive 300km with a _normal_ passenger train ... this is mor than the normal cruising speed of our high speed trains here in germany 21:13 < morfoh> minto_: :) 21:13 < minto_> Maybe these other countries should try drunken drivers as well. :) 21:13 < morfoh> yeah ... indeed :) 21:13 < mnemoc> morfoh: no 300km/h, 300km of distance 21:13 < minto_> Ahhh 21:13 < morfoh> mnemoc: aha! 21:13 < mnemoc> no hi-speed trains here 21:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok ... now I believe your story :) 21:14 < mnemoc> most parts of our train lines are over wood 21:14 < morfoh> mnemoc: sorry for yet another misinterpretation 21:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: I'd like to drive train in chile :) 21:15 < mnemoc> :) 21:15 < minto_> morfoh: be careful with drunken drivers over there ;) 21:15 < morfoh> minto_: no problem I'll go to the driver and we'll drink together :) 21:16 < minto_> hehe, they in the end you will be driven the train, so no more newspaper reading for you 21:16 < minto_> they = then 21:17 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: most interesting is the error from ooo 21:17 < morfoh> one of my collegues at work goes to brazil in about 3 weeks and he has too much fears, because he thinks he'll be lynched or robbed :p 21:18 < _Lewellyn> where is that regression script again? 21:18 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: i don't see that on my irc log 21:18 < _Lewellyn> the url i gave 21:18 < mnemoc> misc/archive/RegressionsReport 21:18 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: what URL ? 21:18 < _Lewellyn> http://romonster.greenviolet.net/~lewellyn/t2/23sep05/stylistic.build.log 21:19 < _Lewellyn> i'll be putting up the regressions in a moment. 21:19 < mnemoc> DNS error 21:20 < _Lewellyn> gar 21:20 < _Lewellyn> 67.169.171.20 21:20 < _Lewellyn> yay dynamic dns :( 21:20 < _Lewellyn> that ip is the current one for the hostname 21:21 < mnemoc> !> checking for xsltproc... no 21:21 < mnemoc> !> configure: error: xsltproc is required 21:21 < _Lewellyn> yar 21:21 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: I can reach the URL 21:22 < mnemoc> add libxslt to ooo module please :) 21:23 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: i had that on GNOME.minimal.... but making ooo depend on GNOME doesn't sound good 21:24 < _Lewellyn> no, it does not. 21:24 < _Lewellyn> i purposely avoided gnome 21:24 < _Lewellyn> kde was the lesser of the two evils, and i didn't want that either, really... 21:25 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: then add libxslt to ooo module, and other possible libxslt and ooo dependencies 21:25 < _Lewellyn> what are other possible libxslt dependencies? and what is the proper way to add it? another [D]? 21:26 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: no, mnemosyne module 21:27 < mnemoc> echo X libxslt > target/mnemosyne2/pkgsel/Desktop/Office\ Suite/ooo.ask 21:29 < _Lewellyn> ok 21:30 < _Lewellyn> also, how can i get lprng rather than cups? 21:30 < _Lewellyn> wait. nevermind. 21:30 < _Lewellyn> i don't need to know that this time :) 21:32 < mnemoc> i was about to remove lprng.... rene told me that even cups is a better alternative to lprng 21:33 < mnemoc> i haven't ever use it 21:34 < _Lewellyn> cups is overly complex and makes it hard to keep common config files between linux and "standard" unix systems :) 21:34 < _Lewellyn> almost whenever i have a printing issue, it's because i'm using cups rather than lprng 21:36 < mnemoc> ic 21:38 < _Lewellyn> (i also only ever use postscript printers, too) 21:44 < valentin> re 21:51 < minto_> Can anyone give me a hint how to dowload a package straight from svn. I do now want a revision number I want a get a special tag. 21:51 < _Lewellyn> so, what should i do about nullmailer? i don't see a reason for failure 21:51 < minto_> o_O Seem like my keyboard ( or my typing ) is broken. 21:52 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: it created it's home 21:52 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: reschedule it :\ 21:53 < mnemoc> minto_: ? 21:54 < minto_> mnemoc_: Current maven package is a binary package. I want to switcht to a source package. But unfortunately no src tarball published. 21:54 < _Lewellyn> minto_: no, it's just us which is broken :) 21:54 < minto_> :) 21:55 < mnemoc> minto_: i don't follow you 21:55 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: this is your error: 21:55 < mnemoc> !> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: home/nullmail 21:55 < mnemoc> !> Created file outside allowed top-level dir: home/nullmail/mail 21:55 < _Lewellyn> aha. ok. 21:55 < mnemoc> no idea why, -remove it and Build-Target again :\ 21:56 < minto_> to get the source from subversion: 21:56 < minto_> svn co http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/components/trunk maven-components 21:56 < minto_> But I want to get the tag maven-2.0-beta-1 21:56 < minto_> Now I wonder how to put this is maven.desc 21:56 < CIA-9> chris * r12106 /trunk/package/base/runit/packages/ (2 files): * added log for prelude-manager and prelude-lml 21:56 < minto_> Currently I have something that does not work: 21:56 < minto_> [D] 0 maven-2.0-beta-1.tar.bz2 svn+http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/components/tags/maven-2.0-beta-1 maven-2.0-beta-1 21:57 < morfoh> minto_: hat about removing "svn+" ? 21:57 < mnemoc> you have to select a revision or a date 21:58 < mnemoc> morfoh: it's svn, a directory 21:58 < _Lewellyn> i'm going to have to submit patches for the couple of changes, too, i think. soon i will be done with my second mnemosyne2 build! :) 21:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: okok 21:58 < mnemoc> morfoh: and use X on checksum 21:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok 21:58 < mnemoc> o.o 21:59 < mnemoc> s/morfoh/minto_/ 21:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: ok :p 22:00 * _Lewellyn wonders where the hell the other instance of rock he saw came from... 22:01 < minto_> mnemoc: I do not now the revision number I want to get, but I do now the tag. 22:01 < minto_> now = know 22:01 < mnemoc> minto_: on svn you _can_ change tags 22:02 < mnemoc> minto_: Revision 291197: /maven/components/tags/maven-2.0-beta-1 <--- just use that number 22:02 < mnemoc> quite big number o.o 22:04 < minto_> I think a lot of the apache subprojects are in the same repository. 22:07 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: what exactly did you mean by "-remove it"? 22:07 < mnemoc> Create-ErrList -cfg yourthing -remove nullmailer 22:08 < _Lewellyn> ah. ok. thanks. 22:08 < mnemoc> valentin: i assume spam will also replace mine... doesn't it? 22:10 < _Lewellyn> also, is there an automated svn way to generate a patchset with my changes? 22:10 < valentin> mnemoc: i hope so 22:10 < mnemoc> morfoh: vps works on context 0 for you? 22:10 < _Lewellyn> since svn doesn't list M a bunch of times, i don't even know which files have changed :( 22:10 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: svn diff ? 22:10 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: and svn st 22:10 < _Lewellyn> ah, so svn diff with no arguments 22:13 < _Lewellyn> my diffs are minor, but are in the 23sep05 dir that i previously gave the url to :) 22:15 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: repaste with ip please :) 22:16 < _Lewellyn> http://67.169.171.20/~lewellyn/t2/23sep05/ 22:17 < _Lewellyn> there are 2 diffs. one against each checkout that i've done. :) 22:17 < _Lewellyn> i'd augment the Config help, but i don't know where to do so 22:18 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: name and email please 22:18 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: is that enough to build ooo without gnome? 22:21 < _Lewellyn> it *seems* to be. ooo is chugging away 22:22 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: name and email please 22:22 * mnemoc going for more coke, brb 22:24 < _Lewellyn> also, will you attribute my with irc nick as well? most people only know me as lewellyn :) 22:24 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.243.84] has joined #t2 22:24 < _Lewellyn> if so, Matt Lewandowsky 22:24 < _Lewellyn> coke or coca-cola, btw? ;) 22:24 < mnemoc> yes 22:25 < mnemoc> we have a free machine here 22:25 < _Lewellyn> and my current nick is the usual normalization of it. 22:25 < mnemoc> :) 22:25 < _Lewellyn> free cocaine machine? sweet. i need one of them! ;) 22:25 < rxr_> rehi 22:26 -!- You're now known as rxr 22:26 < mnemoc> hi rxr 22:26 < _Lewellyn> hoi rxr :) 22:26 < CIA-9> amery * r12107 /trunk/scripts/ (Build-Target config.hlp): 22:26 < CIA-9> Matt Lewandowsky : 22:26 < CIA-9> * removed two unneeded references to ROCK 22:26 < mnemoc> rxr: spam=SDE PAckage Manager 22:27 < rxr> mnemoc: ? 22:27 < mnemoc> what do you think of the name? 22:27 < _Lewellyn> wee! :) 22:27 < mnemoc> spam-get ooo 22:27 < minto_> mnemoc: thanks, downloading went smooth this time 22:28 < mnemoc> minto_: what did i do? 22:28 * _Lewellyn is uneasy with the name "spam"... 22:28 < mnemoc> optional package anyway ;) 22:28 < minto_> mnemoc: Help me out with the svn stuff 22:28 < _Lewellyn> nope. ooo didn't build 22:29 < mnemoc> minto_: ah, ok. yw :) 22:29 < _Lewellyn> needs zip, too, it seems 22:29 * _Lewellyn looks 22:29 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: you know what to do 22:29 < _Lewellyn> yes, i do, now :) 22:30 -!- madtux [n=mike@196.40.44.28] has joined #t2 22:30 < madtux> hello 22:30 < _Lewellyn> hoi madtux 22:31 < madtux> hi :) 22:31 < madtux> how is it going? 22:31 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: perhaps i'll add an svn up cronjob, too :/ 22:31 < _Lewellyn> good good 22:31 < mnemoc> hi madtux 22:31 < _Lewellyn> how're you? 22:31 < madtux> mnemoc! 22:32 < madtux> _Lewellyn: i am great 22:34 < mnemoc> great to hear that 22:35 * minto_ is tired 22:35 < minto_> hi madtux :) 22:36 < minto_> I am off to bed now. See guys later 22:36 < madtux> geezz... 22:36 < madtux> this mortals.. 22:36 < madtux> night Lord minto_ 22:36 -!- minto_ [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit ["Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]"] 22:57 < rxr> mnemoc: how are you ? 22:58 < madtux> mnemoc: please don't forget to send that log, i have some spare time today and would really like to get started with the t2/lvm "howto" 22:58 < mnemoc> big headache, but fine.... and you? 22:59 < mnemoc> madtux: drop that xchat and install a decent irc client :) 22:59 < madtux> mnemoc: i am not running xchat.. 22:59 < mnemoc> yesterday you did :) 22:59 < rxr> mnemoc: traveled to my parents today 22:59 < madtux> is irssi a decent irc client in ur opinion? 22:59 < rxr> some family weekend and PR material creation and then fair next week ... 22:59 < mnemoc> rxr: are you there now? 23:00 < mnemoc> madtux: of course ;) 23:00 < rxr> mnemoc: yep - sinde 15.00 - 23.00 now ... 23:00 < mnemoc> rxr: eating good? ;) 23:00 < madtux> mnemoc: don't u ever think about anything else besides food? 23:01 < rxr> mnemoc: yep - got some bbq ,-) 23:01 < mnemoc> uhm.... welll yes, but now there is bread smell here... so i'm hungry 23:01 < mnemoc> rxr: :) 23:01 < madtux> mnemoc: you are always hungry... 23:01 < mnemoc> :| 23:02 < madtux> mnemoc: i see that picture u posted on the rock gallery... and compare it to the other one u showed me... i can really tell you are always trying to eat.. you've gained quite some weight 23:02 * madtux hides quickly 23:02 < mnemoc> madtux: nope, i weight less... but i did sports on that time 23:03 < madtux> i se.. 23:03 < madtux> ok ok.. 23:03 < madtux> btw,.. Hello rxr 23:03 < mnemoc> now i walk about 1:30h per day and stay sit drinking coke about 17h per day 23:03 < rxr> have to install a hal/d-bus/udev T2 to my fathers PC - so he does not need to call everytime he plugs in a device not yet statically configured ... 23:03 < rxr> same for my broher 23:03 < mnemoc> :D 23:04 < rxr> though there I only have the 2.1 PPC build with me - thus needing post install trunk migration for udev/d-bus/hal ... 23:04 < rxr> but my brother is demanding this even more with his firewire HDs, cell phone, ipod, ... 23:04 < mnemoc> :D 23:04 < rxr> pain without such dynamics ... 23:09 < mnemoc> i got a DELL catalog today..... all the damn machines with windows included :\ 23:10 < madtux> mnemoc: if u order online u can ask for no os. 23:10 < mnemoc> and you get the money discount? 23:10 < mnemoc> or just cd-less? ;) 23:10 < madtux> i have purchased.. ALOT of hardware with dell 23:11 < _Lewellyn> eep! my build volume just ran out of space! 23:11 < madtux> depends on what u are buying... i like to buy online cause they are concious of the hight rates of taxes here for example so they fix the price 23:11 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: i have 30G dedicated to t2 builds :\ 23:11 < madtux> mnemoc: get in touch with them... they normally discount you money and also give u extra free stuff.. 23:11 < _Lewellyn> yar. that's why i wanted to get rid of some unneeded downloads. i only have the space on the drive which just got partitioned for my new install... 23:12 < _Lewellyn> and i'm not going to move it all over there at this point :/ 23:12 < mnemoc> madtux: i can't buy any of those anyway ;) 23:12 < madtux> well i am just giving advice.. like if its for work or so. 23:13 < mnemoc> madtux: are you happy with those LOT of dell hardware? 23:13 * _Lewellyn frees up space 23:13 < madtux> mnemoc: that stuff has been for clients ... i only have a couple of dell boxes. 23:14 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: you need ot look at the precision line 23:14 < madtux> but yeah i am happy.. this boxes work good and this guys honor their warranties 23:14 < _Lewellyn> we like our 370n machines. 23:14 < _Lewellyn> irony: our 370n machines run windows and the 370 machines run linux :) 23:14 < mnemoc> o.o 23:15 < _Lewellyn> because we needed the windows licenses for vmware on the linux machines. the windows machines used the existing licenses the users had :) 23:15 < _Lewellyn> (iirc, the n means "No Windows License") 23:16 < mnemoc> can you install a windows oem to a different machine? 23:17 < _Lewellyn> "yes", since it's not a different machine. just running under another os on the machine with the sticker on it. 23:24 * _Lewellyn wonders why sometimes Download doesn't... 23:24 < _Lewellyn> if i go back in my commandline history and run the same Download, it then goes. 23:26 -!- madtux [n=mike@196.40.44.28] has quit ["leaving"] 23:28 < mnemoc> i have to go.... bbl 23:28 < _Lewellyn> adios mnemoc 23:28 < _Lewellyn> ttyl 23:29 < _Lewellyn> i'll put up new patches later :) 23:35 < _Lewellyn> gar. stupid lack of hard disk space :( --- Log closed Sat Sep 24 00:00:35 2005