--- Log opened Wed Sep 28 00:00:36 2005
00:01 < mnemoc> :|
00:01 < mnemoc> morfoh: bother jsaw :)
00:02 < morfoh> mnemoc: as you know ... I don't like to bother other people than you ;)
00:03  * morfoh hides
00:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: I asked george if he tried gcc 3.4.4/diet yet but he had not tried it yet
00:04 < morfoh> hmmm ... and I think his focus is more on trunk and gcc4
00:07 < mnemoc> :(
00:08 < mnemoc> morfoh: what fefe said?
00:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: haha :)
00:08 < morfoh> mnemoc: I've not asked him yet, but I can write a mail to diet's ML 
00:10 < mnemoc> morfoh: can you commit your adapted patches? that is better than current not applying junk
00:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: sure ... moment
00:11 < morfoh> mnemoc: but beware! please ... it's far away from mature :|
00:12 < mnemoc> it's less-broken
00:12 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack
00:18 < CIA-9> chris * r12189 /branches/2.1/package/base/dietlibc/pkg_patch/ (pkg_gcc.chroot.patch pkg_gcc.patch): 
00:18 < CIA-9> * udpdated gcc patches for for building on dietlibc
00:18 < CIA-9> * Note: I just tried to adapt the patches for gcc-3.4.3 but it doesn't work yet. Any comments and especially fixes are highly welcomed. ;) gcc 3.4.4 is _not_ bulding yet using dietlibc!!!
00:18 < mnemoc> thanks
00:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: np :)
00:19 < _Ragnar_> build gcc with diet? why that?
00:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: perhaps you can give me a lesson in fixing gcc issues :)
00:19 < mnemoc> me?
00:19 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes
00:19 < mnemoc> i hardly what gcc is
00:20 < morfoh> mnemoc: I guess you hardly know who you are :p
00:21 < mnemoc> yep
00:21 < morfoh> or rene can do a "workshop" ... Mr. GCC himself :)
00:21 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: on a dietlibc only sandbox
00:21 < jsaw> re
00:21 < mnemoc> jsaw!
00:21 < morfoh> jsaw: oh! hi jsaw :)
00:22 < mnemoc> jit
00:22 < jsaw> hi mnemoc , morfoh 
00:22 < _Ragnar_> why you need gcc on a sandbox?
00:22 < jsaw> hi _Ragnar_ 
00:22 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: t2 chroot?
00:22 < morfoh> btw, hi SD
00:23 < _Ragnar_> for that you can still build with glibc and just not install it on the tapget?
00:24 < mnemoc> it use to work, until 3.4.4 update
00:25 < _Ragnar_> I mean ok nice to have, but aren;t there more important things to fix atm?
00:25 < mnemoc> that broke dietlibc support at 2.1, the stable branch
00:26 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: yes of course, but as mnemoc said ... it worked before
00:26 < mnemoc> and no, i did not update gcc.
00:27 < morfoh> mnemoc: .oO( a flame war is rising )o :)
00:27 < mnemoc> nah
00:27 < _Ragnar_> *lol*
00:28 < mnemoc> i have to go to pick my girls up
00:28 < morfoh> mnemoc: that's why we should lock down the person who did the update in his room :)
00:28 < morfoh> and just let him out after fixing it :p
00:29 < morfoh> cu mnemoc ...
00:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: don't let your girls wait :)
00:29 < mnemoc> bye ;)
00:29 < morfoh> bye bye :)
00:29 < mnemoc> cmd_wrapper: execvp(diet,...) - No such file or directory
00:30 < mnemoc> ^--- that is my error btw
00:30 < mnemoc> after your fix
00:30 < morfoh> uhm?
00:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: "fix" :p
00:30 < mnemoc> bye
00:30 < morfoh> mnemoc: that's very different from mine
00:43 < jsaw> morfoh: the pkg_gcc.chroot.patch ignores shared dietlibc
00:44 < jsaw> this might link diet, but could lead exactly to execvp error
00:45 < morfoh> jsaw: I already started a fresh diet embedded ref build because I had not the execvp problem yet
00:45 < morfoh> jsaw: as I wrote in the commit message I simply tried to adapt the existing patch from 3.3.4
00:45 < jsaw> I know
00:46 < morfoh> errhmmm 3.4.3
00:46 < morfoh> anyway 
00:46 < jsaw> I just wanted to hint a solution...
00:46 < morfoh> jsaw: yeah ... I know :)
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00:46 < jsaw> morfoh: the problem maybe twofold, update to gcc 3.4.4 and a change to fully dynamic dietlibc, but I don't know if that was copied to 2.1 (and when)
00:47 < morfoh> jsaw: do we have a fully dynamic diet yet ?
00:47 < morfoh> jsaw: does it work even on trunk ?
00:47 < jsaw> yep
00:47 < morfoh> jsaw: uhm? 
00:48 < jsaw> if you have dyn_start.o etc in your dietlibc/lib directory, then you have it
00:48 < jsaw> var_append GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND ' ' '-DWANT_DYNAMIC'
00:48 < jsaw> ^- dietlibc.conf
00:48 < morfoh> /usr/dietlibc/lib-i386/dyn_dstart.o
00:49 < morfoh> jsaw: I think we merged the most important pieces to 2.1 yet, but because we missed sth.
00:50 < morfoh> jsaw: cat package/base/dietlibc/dietlibc.conf | grep "DYNAMIC"
00:50 < morfoh> var_append GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND ' ' '-DWANT_DYNAMIC'
00:50 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: i plan on working on the tablets this weekend. i have leads on a GOODLY number. and they all share some common traits, such as the need for handwriting recognition and the possibility of an on-screen keyboard :)
00:51 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: nice ... :)
00:51 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: but anyway ... I think tablets are most usefull for people wth just one hand anyway ;)
00:52 < jsaw> _Lewellyn: I do not remember the name of this on-screen keyboard, I only remember the screenshots: ever letter you click a tree of words open, sorted by color and probability, do you know what I mean?
00:53 < jsaw> or let's say, not a tree of words, but a tree of likely next letters
00:53 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: the "windooze tablet edition" is very lousy regarding handwrite recognition
00:54 < morfoh> and I've never use that small acer b*tch as "tablet" :p
00:55 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: all handwriting recognition sucks.
00:56 < _Lewellyn> xscribblefs looks decent
00:56 < _Lewellyn> "graffiti-like"
00:56 < morfoh> jsaw: sorry for bothering you again, but do you have some other hints regarding the diet/gcc issue ?
00:56 < _Lewellyn> jsaw: i've seen some like that. i'll include it if you remember the name :)
00:57 < _Lewellyn> jsaw: i was looking at only including gtkeyboard and xvkbd
00:58 < _Lewellyn> i prefer the latter, but the former seems to be quite popular
01:00 < _Lewellyn> most on-screen keyboards more than "kinda suck" :(
01:01 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: really ... is there any use case for that despite for people with one hand :)
01:05 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: my tablet has absolutely no keyboard...
01:05 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: h*ly sh*t :)
01:06 < _Lewellyn> on-screen keyboards are apparently a popular sale to windows tablet users
01:06 < _Lewellyn> they go for many hundreds of dollars for the best performing, most featureful keyboards
01:06 < _Lewellyn> i use a free one, but it's very laggy :(
01:07 < morfoh> _Lewellyn: I can imagine that windooze user like it to have a pen in one hand and drilling the nose with the other :)
01:07  * morfoh hides
01:08 < _Lewellyn> morfoh: hey! i thought i turned off the webcam :(
01:08 < morfoh> ok ok ok ... switching back from "enfant terrible" mode :)
01:13 < jsaw> hmm, I can't remember the name of the on-screen kbd, damn... google also shows nothing...
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01:28 < morfoh> .oO( hmmm ... diet embedded mostly builds, because it's not building gcc within stage 1 
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01:47 < keinek> hi
01:47 < keinek> rxr: thanks for support slmodem ;)
01:48 < jsaw> gotta sleep
01:48 < jsaw> g'night all
01:48 < morfoh> jsaw: good night ... 
01:48 < keinek> gn8 jsaw 
01:48 < keinek> :)
01:48 < morfoh> sleep well
01:48 < morfoh> think I'll go sleep too 
01:48 < sparc-kly|Univ> hi all
01:48 < jsaw> thanks, you 2, cu
01:49 < morfoh> hi keinek ...
01:49 < morfoh> hi sparc-kly|Univ 
01:52 < morfoh> .oO( seems that our gaming guy from argentina isn't speeking to everyone )o. anyway ... good night :)
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01:55 < mnemoc> rehi
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02:32 < _Lewellyn> what is slmodem?
02:32 < _Lewellyn> sleep well, sleepers
02:32 < mnemoc> cat slmodem.desc ?
02:33  * madtux slaps mnemoc 
02:35 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: where? i don't see slmodem.desc
02:36  * madtux slaps mnemoc again
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02:36 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: cat package/*/slmodem/slmodem.desc
02:37 < _Lewellyn> odd. find didn't find it.
02:38  * _Lewellyn wonders how much work ltmodem will be :/
02:39 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: .svn dirs are _big_, use bash globbing, not find
02:40 < _Lewellyn> it doesn't explain why it wasn't found at all, though
03:00 < sparc-kly> keinek: #LinuxPreview need you . 
03:06  * keinek apply a flying kick (like ninja) to madtux
03:06 < keinek> :P
03:06 < keinek> Hiiiiiijja!
03:06 < keinek> :)
03:06 < madtux> your fat ass is too heavy to even try it.
03:06 < madtux> :)
03:06 < keinek> :(
03:06 < keinek> :'(
03:07 < keinek> you broke my hearth
03:07 < madtux> u don't have any heart.
03:07 < madtux> :P
03:27 < _Lewellyn> madtux: not heart, hearth... ;)
03:28 < madtux> yeah that too
03:28 < madtux> :P
04:23 < _Lewellyn> where are the logs for this channel, btw?
04:26 < _Lewellyn> and is dietlibc in better shape in 2.1 now?
04:30 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: the problem is building pure-dietlibc systems
04:30 < _Lewellyn> ah
04:30 < mnemoc> bootdisk builds fine
04:30 < _Lewellyn> sweet
04:30 < mnemoc> because it's hybrid
04:31 < _Lewellyn> also, i don't like the name "tabletsyne" still... still sounds too medicinal :(
04:31 < _Lewellyn> any other suggestions?
04:31 < mnemoc> your distribution, your name ;)
04:32 < mnemoc> tabletsyne was just a joke
04:32 < mnemoc> like spam or scam for the admin tool
04:32 < _Lewellyn> i still like "it" ;)
04:33 < _Lewellyn> though i can see the confusion it could cause
04:35 < _Lewellyn> also, which target did you want me to look at?
04:35 < _Lewellyn> sheba?
04:35 < mnemoc> ?
04:35 < _Lewellyn> 13:47 ~> mnemoc<~ _Lewellyn: you can easily extend mnemosyne2, as i did for sheba, with it's own modules tree :)
04:36 < mnemoc> http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/sheba/trunk
04:37 < _Lewellyn> looking now. and where does Config get its help texts from?
04:38 < mnemoc> i don't remember if mnemosyne.pl is generating coding including possibly available .hlp files
04:38 < mnemoc> i guess not
04:39 < _Lewellyn> ok. i'll have to look at that
04:39 < _Lewellyn> i'll want help text for myself, if nothing else :)
04:45 < mnemoc> take a look into mnemosyne.pl
04:46 < mnemoc> adding gui code to tell where the help is wont be hard
04:46 < _Lewellyn> ya. figured so much.
04:46 < _Lewellyn> and what does sheba do?
04:46 < mnemoc> a vserver host
04:47 < _Lewellyn> i.e. vserver for shells, or for mail, or for web, or for...?
04:47 < mnemoc> it will be dietlibc based when dietlibc start working again :\
04:47 < mnemoc> a host, to host vservers
04:47  * _Lewellyn kicks dietlibc
04:47 < _Lewellyn> what sort of vserver though?
04:47  * _Lewellyn looks at the conf again
04:47 < mnemoc> mnemosyne has vserver as a BOOT method
04:47 < _Lewellyn> oh. so, like a "virtual shell server"
04:48 < mnemoc> uhm?
04:48 < _Lewellyn> like a "CPS" that people buy because they can't afford a real colo-ed box?
04:48 < mnemoc> welll ... a mnemosyne with ssh and pam/ldap with BOOT=vserver could be a 'virtual shell server'
04:48 < mnemoc> and live inside a sheba
04:49  * _Lewellyn is still not clear, sorry.
04:49 < _Lewellyn> perhaps tomorrow, when i'm feeling better and not as fuzzy
04:49 < mnemoc> :)
04:50 < _Lewellyn> is there documentation for what config.in, preconfig.in, pkgsel.in, et al are used for? i can probably guess, but if i guess, i'll probably misuse them ;)
04:52 < mnemoc> preconfig.in   target/config.in target/pkgsel.in */config-n.in (n<500) */config{,-n} (n>=500) */postconfig.in
04:53 < _Lewellyn> ok. so, if i'm extending mnemosyne2, that one gets its preconfig, config, pkgsel, config-n, then my target's, then the postconfigs, right?
04:57 < mnemoc> each target related file is searched on the targetchain
04:57 < mnemoc> some forward, some barward
04:57 < mnemoc> backward
04:57 < mnemoc> on some all the chain is traced
04:57 < mnemoc> on other the first found is used
04:59 < mnemoc> target/config.in are loaded forward, target/pkgsel.in backward
04:59 < mnemoc> there is a mail at ML about
04:59 < mnemoc> nested targets is the subject iirc
05:46 < _Lewellyn> ok. noted. will look later. gotta finish working first :)
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06:12 < _Lewellyn> adios madtux and keinek...
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09:23 < valentin> moin
09:27 < morfoh> moin
10:08 < CIA-9> mtr * r12190 /trunk/package/ (6 files in 4 dirs): * moved aqhbci* packages to attic: all-is-now-in-aqbanking
10:09 < rxr> re
10:09 < rxr> moin valentin et al
10:10 < jsaw> short re
10:10 < jsaw> rxr: can I downdate pwlib and openh323 to fit (stable) gnomemeeting? (I don't see any other deps)
10:11 < jsaw> or rather try CVS?
10:13 < valentin> hi rxr, jsaw 
10:13 < jsaw> hi valentin 
10:13 < valentin> hi morfoh 
10:13 < valentin> who is maintainer of those packages ?
10:15 < jsaw> Susanne, me and t2 project
10:15 < valentin> so 33% of the question is answered ;)
10:15 < jsaw> :)
10:16 < valentin> i have to clean my oven - sprayed in a super aggressive overn cleaner chemical foam some minutes before ...
10:24 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12191 /trunk/package/scientific/root/ (namespace-imp-fix.patch root.conf root.desc): 
10:24 < CIA-9> * update root (5.02.00 -> 5.04.00)
10:24 < CIA-9> * cleanup configuration a bit
10:24 < CIA-9> * remove namespace patch, not needed anymore
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10:30 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12192 /trunk/package/lua/luatar/luatar.desc: * flag no-parallel (compiling libtar-1.2.11 fails...)
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10:38 < jsaw> cu later
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11:35 < rxr> re
11:36 < rxr> jsaw: downdate to fix is always ok
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12:29 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12193 /trunk/package/develop/pwlib/pwlib.desc: 
12:29 < CIA-9> * downgrade pwlib (1.9.1 -> 1.8.7 with "mimas patch2")
12:29 < CIA-9>  (fixes gnomemeeting build)
12:30 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12194 /trunk/package/network/openh323/openh323.desc: 
12:30 < CIA-9> * downgrade openh323 (1.17.2 -> 1.15.6 with "mimas patch2")
12:30 < CIA-9>  (fixes gnomemeeting build)
12:38 < CIA-9> jsaw * r12195 /trunk/package/develop/gcl/ (gcl.desc recent-binutils.diff): * update gcl (2.6.6 -> 2.6.7)
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13:01 < morfoh> re
13:02 < rxr> re
13:08 < jsaw> grub 1.90 ?
13:08 < morfoh> hi rxr ;)
13:09 < jsaw> seems to contain powerpc support
13:23 < rxr> jsaw: ack - grub 2.0 is multi arch
13:23 < rxr> powerpc - maybe some time sparc ...
13:31 < CIA-9> rene * r12196 /trunk/package/x86/grub/grub.desc: * added U tag to GRUB
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15:34 < veki> hi all
15:34 < veki> I am back again
15:34 < veki> :-)
15:42 < rxr> valentin: we could do a full scan sofrware for Linux and Mac for Avision
15:43 < rxr> valentin: we need to talk about that and details
15:43 < rxr> cu
15:53 < valentin> re
15:58 < morfoh> hi veki, valentin 
15:58 < veki> hi
15:58 < veki> how are you?
16:02 < morfoh> veki: thanks, quite good but very busy ... and you? where have you been ?
16:02 < veki> I have had a lot o fprojects and travelling a lot in distant places where I did not have access to the INternet.  I missed you all!!!
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16:03 < Baldzius> hi :)
16:10 < veki> hi
16:10 < morfoh> hi Baldzius :)
16:10 < Baldzius> hi veki, morfoh :)
16:10 < morfoh> veki: we missed you too ... ;)
16:11 < veki> hi thanks :-)
16:13 < valentin> mnemoc: 2.1-rc2 iso lacks kdeadmin .. is it build inside rc3 ?
16:27 < morfoh> valentin: t2-desktop ?
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16:32 < valentin> yeah
16:38 < morfoh> valentin: it's not include in desktop:TRUNK too 
16:42 < valentin> ok
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16:47 < SerWou> good morning
16:49 < morfoh> valentin: what app do you need from kdeadmin ... we can easyly include it in the desktop target
16:49 < morfoh> bonjour SerWou ;)
16:49 < SerWou> bonjour mon petit morfoh ;)
16:50 < morfoh> SerWou: hehe :)
16:50 < morfoh> valentin: should I add kdeadmin to desktop ?
16:51 < morfoh> valentin: at least the next stable release will include it then officially 
16:53 < valentin> morfoh: no, you do not need to ... had been confused
16:54 < morfoh> valentin: ok 
16:59 < mnemoc> moin
16:59 < morfoh> moin mnemoc!
16:59 < mnemoc> moin morfoh, valentin, SerWou 
17:05 < veki> hi mnemoc
17:06 < valentin> moin mnemoc, morfoh, veki 
17:06 < veki> hello :-)
17:06 < valentin> , Baldzius 
17:06 < valentin> need some hello plugin for irssi
17:07 < mnemoc> ?
17:07 < Baldzius> :)
17:07 < Baldzius> hi valentin
17:07 < rxr> re
17:07 < mnemoc> re rxr 
17:09 < valentin> hi rxr
17:09 < valentin> what scan app ?
17:10 < mnemoc> the one you will write :)
17:10 < veki> it may be Hello broadcast plug in :-)
17:11 < valentin> veki: yes. BTW: forgot SerWou 
17:12 < veki> so hellocast plug-in may be written in perl or so with aim to avoid that someone feels bad because he or she has not received expected greetings
17:12 < valentin> yes
17:13 < valentin> it should be auto-activated by typing "moin" or "re" and auto-deactivated by "cu" or "bbl"
17:14 < valentin> when active, it should greet anyone typing the first time since activated
17:21 < mnemoc> o.o
17:23  * valentin imagines millions of hellobots greeting each other after all the users died due to a bioweapon attack
17:24 < mnemoc> :D
17:26 < veki> :-)
17:27 < mnemoc> wb veki 
17:27 < valentin> mnemoc, veki: this is not funny...
17:28 < veki> thanks, it is like a life, funny and sad in the same time
17:28 < rxr> valentin: scan app to manage multiple scans, lots of options, optimizuatiosn - lots of save as formats, ... ...
17:28 < rxr> it is named avscan- no idea if you will find screens on the net
17:28 < rxr> cu later
17:29 < valentin> so it exists ?
17:29 < rxr> btw. that was talked with teh vice president of the company ...
17:29 < valentin> cu rxr
17:29 < rxr> valentin: for win - they like to have a linux / mac version
17:29  * rxr soon off to dinner with thy avision folks ... ,-)
17:29 < valentin> cu
17:29 < mnemoc> cu rxr 
17:33 < morfoh> yeah ... cu rxr
17:37 < morfoh> cu * ... I have to go ...
17:37 < mnemoc> cu morfoh 
17:38 < morfoh> cu mnemoc 
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18:26 < _Lewellyn> mornin
18:27 < mnemoc> moin _Lewellyn 
18:27 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: would you mind checking out the iso i made the other day? it seems like things are missing from it. it doesn't feel "useable" once it's installed.
18:28 < _Lewellyn> i.e. no services start at boot, can't configure ssh via stone, it complains about missing binaries at ctrl-alt-del, i can't find the comports in /dev, etc.
18:30 < mnemoc> it's runit, not sysvinit. services are installed in a completly different way
18:32 < _Lewellyn> i figured so much. so the whole runlevels configuration of stone is irrelevant altogether, then
18:32 < _Lewellyn> but it shouldn't error on reboot :(
18:32 < mnemoc> binaries at shutdown are not needed
18:32 < mnemoc> i can: fake them 
18:33 < mnemoc> or patch init.d/system to not use them
18:33 < mnemoc> comports in /dev.... it's devfs
18:35 < mnemoc> i'll merge my runit stone module to 2.1 soon
18:35 < mnemoc> after i solve some issues with vserver
18:36 < mnemoc> and i'll fake 'reboot' 'halt' 'wall' and 'killall5'
18:38 < _Lewellyn> ya, i know it's devfs. what should the comport name be?
18:39 < mnemoc> /dev/tts
18:39 < _Lewellyn> wtf. they're there this reboot.
18:40 < _Lewellyn> i only had about 25 things in /dev last reboot
18:40 < mnemoc> o.o
18:42 < _Lewellyn> also, what's the reasoning behind not having setserial in mnemosyne2?
18:43 < mnemoc> i just haven't needed it yet
18:43 < mnemoc> add it to BOOTADMIN.all
18:43 < _Lewellyn> ok.
18:43  * _Lewellyn adds it before he forgets
18:46 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: btw, using T2 stable doesn't imply mnemosyne _target_ is also stable, i would consider it 'experimental'
18:47 < _Lewellyn> i know it is. i just want to know reasoning for missing things, so i don't add them when you had a reason not to.
18:47 < _Lewellyn> and it won't become stable if it's not exercised ;)
18:47 < mnemoc> :)
18:47 < _Lewellyn> my main concern is that the base (2.1) is stable.
18:48 < mnemoc> mnemosyne has to have everything you need to have, but conciently adding package by package
18:48 < mnemoc> and splited by 'feature' modules
18:48 < _Lewellyn> ya. setserial is the first thing i've found missing from the base itself.
18:49 < mnemoc> ethtool is also missing
18:49 < _Lewellyn> heh. ethtool would require me to get my pcmcia working ;)
18:50 < mnemoc> but that goes in NETADMIN
18:56 < _Lewellyn> what do you think of the name "pencilbox" for the tablet- and pen-based target?
18:57 < _Lewellyn> i was thinking of something with "slate" but failed.
18:57 < mnemoc> strongslate
18:58 < mnemoc> uhm
18:58 < mnemoc> nah
18:58 < _Lewellyn> i actually thought of "strongslate"
18:58 < _Lewellyn> which then prompted me to go watch some homestar runner ;)
18:58 < mnemoc> uhm?
18:59 < _Lewellyn> you're unfamiliar with homestar runner?
18:59 < _Lewellyn> www.homestarrunner.com
18:59 < _Lewellyn> requires flash
19:00  * mnemoc needs to learn to draw
19:00 < _Lewellyn> why? most flash authors can't ;)
19:00 < mnemoc> how do they make those?
19:01 < mnemoc> actually i what to make drawings for the chars my target names represent
19:01 < mnemoc> want*
19:02 < _Lewellyn> flash is just for animation; most people draw in other apps.
19:02 < mnemoc> what apps?
19:02 < _Lewellyn> illustrator and freehand are among the better choices, imho
19:03 < _Lewellyn> i've yet to find a good foss illustration program
19:03 < mnemoc> i have tried inkscape, but i have only been able to write text
19:03 < _Lewellyn> ya. i played with inkscape once. it pissed me off enough to run illustrator over vnc
19:04 < mnemoc> a friend did this with inkscape: http://www.lugra.cl/Members/guala/imagenes/Logo-Color
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19:36 < mnemoc> i doubt
19:41 < _Lewellyn> same.
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20:19 < valentin> re
20:19 < mnemoc> wb valentin 
20:28 < _Lewellyn> hoi valentin 
20:31 < valentin> *lunch*
20:34 < _Lewellyn> mnemoc: also, ctrlaltdel tries to invoke wall
20:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: what do I have to merge additionally to get the stone_vserver and runit changes ?
20:39 < morfoh> mnemoc: I mean on my 2.1 syne2 test system
20:54 < _Ragnar_> UHHH
20:54  * _Ragnar_ kicks gcc4
20:54 < morfoh> hi _Ragnar_ .... please do it again :p
20:55 < _Ragnar_> array of uint64 ... but it still requires 0x0000020000000000LL instead of just 0x0000020000000000
20:56 < _Ragnar_> so fucking stupid ....
21:03 < _Lewellyn> hoi _Ragnar_ 
21:03 < _Ragnar_> hi hi
21:04  * _Lewellyn should take the time today to figure out why he can't get hsi digitizer working.
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21:49 < CIA-9> ragnar * r12197 /trunk/package/security/botan/botan.conf: * botan: get around gcc pickyness by adding LL to 64bit constants
22:03 < jsaw> seems to contain powerpc support
22:03 < jsaw> ups
22:03 < jsaw> wrong window... :)
22:05 < _Ragnar_> mnemoc: are you able to check out avifile?
22:13 < jsaw> _Ragnar_: which one, the previously updated in trunk? (here it worked)
22:13 < _Ragnar_> trunk
22:13 < _Ragnar_> hmm
22:13 < jsaw> _Ragnar_: some error?
22:17 < _Ragnar_> cvs -z4 -Q -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/avifile/ co -P -D 2005-09-13 avifile-0.6
22:17 < _Ragnar_> cvs [checkout aborted]: unrecognized auth response from cvs.sourceforge.net: M -!- Project map lookup failed ()
22:18 < jsaw> hmmm
22:20 < jsaw> cvs -z4 -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/avifile/ co -P -D 2005-09-13 avifile-0.6
22:20 < jsaw> cvs checkout: Updating avifile-0.6
22:20 < jsaw> U avifile-0.6/.cvsignore
22:20 < jsaw> ...
22:22 < _Ragnar_> weird
22:22 < jsaw> yep
22:26 < _Ragnar_> oh
22:27 < _Ragnar_> needed to update cvs
22:27 < jsaw> ...
22:27 < _Ragnar_> o_o
22:34 < mnemoc> re
22:35 < morfoh> wb mnemoc :)
22:35 < mnemoc> only runit changes for now
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