T2 IRC Log: 2005-10-02

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--- Log opened Sun Oct 02 00:00:37 2005
00:07 < mnemoc> jsaw: http://mnemoc.pastebin.com/380058
00:11 < jsaw> oh, didn't know about disown...
00:12 < _Lewellyn> disown rocks
00:12 < _Lewellyn> wait. is disown in bash now?
00:12 < mnemoc> man say so
00:12 < _Lewellyn> if so, when was that added
00:12 < _Lewellyn> it's not in bash 2
00:12 < mnemoc> oh
00:12 < _Lewellyn> then again, bash 3 also supports ksh93 /dev/tcp syntax
00:13 < mnemoc> /join #bash
00:13 < _Lewellyn> in bash, try this and tell me if it works:
00:13 < _Lewellyn> cat < /dev/tcp/towel.blinkenlights.nl/23
00:13 < mnemoc> Original Work : Simon Jansen ( www.asciimation.co.nz ) Telnetification : Snore ( http://blinkenlights.nl )
00:13 < _Lewellyn> sweet
00:14 < _Lewellyn> i'm going to have to sit in front of bash 3 and see if it doesn't support any of the kshisms i am used to
00:14 < _Lewellyn> typeset was madly broken in bash 2, iirc
00:14 < _Lewellyn> now, ksh200X needs to come out so bash has to catch up again! ;)
00:14 < mnemoc> i don't like to depend on bash_3_
00:15 < _Lewellyn> depend on ksh93 once i make sure the package works right with t2 :)
00:15 < mnemoc> :)
00:17 < _Lewellyn> ksh200x should have multithreading, which would be cool :)
00:17 * _Lewellyn drools thinking of the wonderful scripts he could write
00:18 * mnemoc has never used ksh
00:19 < _Lewellyn> apparently, it's a lot like bash 3 ;)
00:20 < mnemoc> :)
00:22 < _Lewellyn> (only it's been around for 13 years)
00:24 < mnemoc> are you sure bash2 doesn't have disown?
00:25 < _Lewellyn> bash2 seems to. sorry :(
00:25 < mnemoc> $ /sbin/sam help
00:25 < mnemoc> SAM, the SDE Administration Managing tool, v0.0
00:25 < mnemoc> Copyright (C) 2005 Alejandro Mery
00:25 < mnemoc> Usage: sam []
00:26 < mnemoc> $ /sbin/sam foo
00:26 < mnemoc> SAM, the SDE Administration Managing tool, v0.0
00:26 < mnemoc> Copyright (C) 2005 Alejandro Mery
00:26 < mnemoc> SAM: module 'foo' not recognized
00:26 < mnemoc> Available modules: help SAM internal help info Information about current installation
00:26 < mnemoc> yuck... i hate how irssi handle pastes :\
00:26 < _Lewellyn> you called it SAM after all?
00:26 < mnemoc> i have to start working, and i need a name
00:26 < mnemoc> it's on my local svn anyway ;)
00:26 < _Lewellyn> i liked IT still :)
00:27 < mnemoc> the one without name
00:27 < mnemoc> IT is confusing
00:28 < _Lewellyn> i agree, but it has pizazz
00:28 < mnemoc> nt/xp thing is on a different universe
00:28 < mnemoc> and solaris.... who cares about that crap?
00:29 < _Lewellyn> and hpux
00:29 < mnemoc> s/solaris/hpux/
00:29 < _Lewellyn> imo, t2 may be interesting to companies migrating to linux from hpux
00:29 < mnemoc> what sam does on hpux?
00:29 < _Lewellyn> perhaps having a similarly named tool could be helpful
00:30 < _Lewellyn> it's the hpux System Administration Manager
00:30 < _Lewellyn> http://docs.hp.com/en/B2355-90692/sam.1M.html
00:30 < mnemoc> :)
00:31 < _Lewellyn> lemme find a screenshot. it's the perfect example of how to give access to lots of information. it's also a good example of how not to do it
00:31 < _Lewellyn> but that's something you learn by using it.
00:31 < mnemoc> /usr/sbin/sam [-display display] [-f login] [-r] <--- not hard to simulate ;)
00:32 < _Lewellyn> http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=sam+hpux+&btnG=Search
00:32 < _Lewellyn> no, it's not
00:32 < _Lewellyn> http://h50146.www5.hp.com/products/software/oe/hpux/developer/column/beg_integrity_04/
00:33 < _Lewellyn> http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/477/CWM/cwm-tftp-17844.html
00:33 < _Lewellyn> http://www.printronix.com/boc63_1/connections/p5xxx/ethernet/unix/hpux/bsd/hpux_bsd_sam.html
00:33 < _Lewellyn> those last 3 urls have everything in the google results
00:34 < mnemoc> i don't read japanesse :)
00:34 < _Lewellyn> the screenies are in english ;)
00:35 < mnemoc> looks modularizes as our 'sam' will be
00:36 < mnemoc> modularized*
00:36 < mnemoc> calling sam without without actions may easily call a dialog (like stone) interface
00:36 < _Lewellyn> ya, hpux is easy (even fun) to admin once you learn to love sam
00:37 < _Lewellyn> as opposed to wanting to kill the running man on aix
00:37 < mnemoc> you will love my little sam ;)
00:37 < _Lewellyn> good :)
00:38 < _Lewellyn> if it resembles those screenshots, i'll be extremely pleased; i won't have to learn how to use it! ;)
00:38 < mnemoc> you will write that GUI :)
00:40 < _Lewellyn> good. i've been wanting to learn a new toolkit language ;)
00:41 < mnemoc> :)
00:41 < mnemoc> sam 0-1, will be bash/dialog for sure... but sam 2 i guess will be written in lua
00:42 < mnemoc> maybe sam 1 will be in lua
00:44 < mnemoc> http://svn.geeks.cl/oss/sam/trunk/
00:44 < mnemoc> ^---- if you set my ip on your /etc/hosts :\
00:44 < _Lewellyn> i will on my laptop when i reboot it later.
00:45 < mnemoc> i'm dropped every 27h, svn.geeks.cl is a CNAME for socomep.dyndns.org
00:45 < _Lewellyn> http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/818.html
00:45 < _Lewellyn> haha
01:13 < mnemoc> btw, there is an etc/hosts also on windows ;)
01:15 < _Lewellyn> yes in %SYSTEMROOT%\system32\drivers\etc\hosts
01:15 < _Lewellyn> i have shortcuts to edit that file with gvim on every machine :)
01:15 < mnemoc> :D
01:18 < mnemoc> sam-0.0 do nothing released :p
01:21 < _Ragnar_> hi
01:21 < mnemoc> hi _Ragnar_
01:21 < _Ragnar_> hi mnemoc
01:22 < _Lewellyn> hoi _Ragnar_
01:55 < CIA-9> amery * r12225 /trunk/package/contrib/ (dfb++/dfb++.desc dfb-linux-fusion/pkg_linux26_post.conf): * fixed copyright notes of package/contrib/dfb*
01:56 < CIA-9> amery * r12226 /trunk/package/contrib/ (2 files in 2 dirs): * added copyright notes to runit-logacct and runit-shutdown
02:19 < CIA-9> amery * r12227 /trunk/target/ (. mnemosyne/): * removed obsolete target/mnemosyne and changed for an svn:external to current mnemosyne:trunk
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03:45 < rxr> re
03:45 < rxr> moin
03:46 < mnemoc> moin rxr
03:47 < rxr> hi mnemoc - how are you ?
03:48 < mnemoc> tired but happy :)
03:48 < mnemoc> and you?
03:48 < rxr> got enough sleep I think - thus awake at this time ,-)
03:49 < mnemoc> :-)
03:49 < rxr> happy to be in berlin again ,-)
03:50 < mnemoc> are you really starting your day? or you will return to bed?
03:50 < rxr> starting :-)
03:50 < rxr> whether I get up at 3:45 or 6.00 should not make such a different anyway
03:50 < rxr> valentin: happy birthday ;-)
03:51 < mnemoc> how old?
03:52 < rxr> let me count - 27 I think
03:52 < mnemoc> 1978?
03:53 < rxr> think so
03:53 < mnemoc> same as i :)
03:53 < mnemoc> happy bday valentin!
04:24 < rxr> mnemoc: how are you projects and such going?
04:26 < mnemoc> i hoped to finish one vserver/qmail-ldap today, but the office where the server is got out of energy... so i have to wait until monday :\
04:26 < mnemoc> i couldn't contact my contact on that company :\
04:27 < mnemoc> PyMOF is frozen
04:28 < rxr> why ?
04:30 < mnemoc> vserver/qmail-ldap will (i hope) return money faster (this month)
04:30 < mnemoc> after that i'll resume my work on PyMOF
04:30 < rxr> ah ,-)
04:31 < mnemoc> OT: where echo_status is defined?
04:31 < rxr> I think by the output module
04:32 < rxr> misc/output
04:33 < mnemoc> aha
04:33 < mnemoc> echo_status_terminal
04:33 < rxr> http://www.fefe.de/dietlibc/
04:33 < rxr> ^- lists minised now ,-)
04:34 < rxr> See also 13.
04:34 < mnemoc> :D
04:35 < mnemoc> apropos dietlibc, if you have a few minutes please take a look into gcc/dietlibc at 2.1
04:35 < rxr> mnemoc: just building a 2.1 reference is fine for that ?
04:36 < rxr> I need to clean my 15000 mails inbox ...
04:36 < rxr> ... and finally update the mail server, spamassassin and setup server side filtering ...
04:36 < mnemoc> rxr: nope, reference builds fine
04:37 < rxr> mnemoc: where does it fail then ?
04:37 < rxr> ah - bootdisk ?
04:37 < mnemoc> 1-gcc
04:37 < mnemoc> nope, bootdisk builds fine too
04:37 * rxr puzzled
04:38 < mnemoc> bootdisk is hybrid
04:38 < mnemoc> try embedded/diet or sheba
04:38 < rxr> ok - what to reproduce then?
04:38 < rxr> ah
04:38 < mnemoc> pure dietlibc
04:38 < rxr> ic
04:38 < rxr> I try embedded
04:38 < mnemoc> i thought ;)
04:38 < rxr> kmail does not like 15xxx mails in a inbox
04:39 < rxr> I think I kill it the fourth time now ...
04:39 < rxr> and that though it is usually more stable then thunderbird ...
04:39 < rxr> damn
04:40 < mnemoc> :)
04:40 < rxr> btw. I might need to invest in a Apple G5 system in order to test SCSI support of my commercial scanner driver thing
04:40 < rxr> http://www.exactcode.de/avisionosx/
04:40 < rxr> I have no Macintosh with SCSI hardware
04:40 < rxr> and can not add a card to neither my iBook nor the mac mini ...
04:41 < mnemoc> avision can't send it?
04:42 < rxr> avision is not a company throwing a lot of money to people ...
04:43 < rxr> but ExactCode might do other, bigger projects with Avision
04:43 < rxr> that is (for one thing) and embedded Linux including all the necessary applications for a digial copier station
04:44 < rxr> http://www.okidata.com/mkt/html/nf/ES3640eHome.html
04:44 < rxr> ^- stuff like this
04:44 < mnemoc> sweet
04:45 < mnemoc> they do the hardware, exactcode the software
04:45 < rxr> but this will be a lot of work (application wise) and we need to valueate the risk carefully
04:45 < rxr> they do only the scanner hardware, exactcode the software and the printer manufactor the laser printer hardware
04:46 < rxr> in fact I think that oki MFP I linked has Avision hardware on top
04:48 < rxr> if we decide to invest into such kind of software
04:57 < rxr> http://svn.exactcode.de alone rose up to a total of 482 MB last month
05:02 < mnemoc> o.o
05:22 < rxr> r283 | rene | 2005-10-02 05:24:05 +0200 (Sun, 02 Oct 2005) | 3 lines
05:22 < rxr> * added new IDs, some of yet unreleased products, added NO_MATRIX
05:22 < rxr> feature overwrite
05:22 < rxr> ^- open source - where you have drivers before the products ship ,-)
05:23 < mnemoc> :)
05:25 < rxr> ah! I think I save a lot of money and just ebay an old Power Mac that natively shipped with SCSI ...
05:29 < rxr> what is this:
05:29 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8700445059&fromMakeTrack=true
05:30 < rxr> hm - maybe 233Mhz
05:38 < mnemoc> *click*
05:45 < rxr> I think I try to get s.th. like:
05:45 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/Apple-G4-Power-Mac-QS-DVD-120-GB-768-mB-TOPZUSTAND_W0QQitemZ5812275159QQcategoryZ19520QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
05:46 < rxr> most probably the cheapest way to test SCSI support in our mac driver ...
05:49 < mnemoc> o.o
05:49 < rxr> mnemoc: can I later merge the change into stable, that introduced detecting the default PARALLEL value according the CPUs present?
05:49 < mnemoc> i thought all apple machines were elegant
05:50 < mnemoc> yes, sure
05:50 < rxr> mnemoc: what is missing elegance ?
05:50 < mnemoc> too modern to me :)
05:51 < mnemoc> those 'handle's it has
05:51 < rxr> mnemoc: I also only need it to make more money out of the mac driver ...
05:51 < mnemoc> :)
05:52 < rxr> the difference is between - SCSI is implemented but never test - no idea what it does and - I know SCSI support is rock solid - go and buy the SCSI scanner ..
05:52 < rxr> (and my driver)
05:52 < mnemoc> go and buy the scsi machine
05:53 < rxr> Apple Power Mac G4, 40 GB
05:53 < rxr> EUR 16,50
05:53 < rxr> only one day left
05:53 < rxr> maybe it will still be below 100EUR then ...
05:53 < rxr> 350 Mhz only
05:54 < mnemoc> :-)
05:56 < rxr> hm - those older Power Macs do not seem to have SCSI on-board
05:56 < rxr> thus I need some add on SCSI card as well
05:57 < rxr> but at least the base unit is not way above 1000EUR as recent, new G5s are ...
05:57 * rxr waking susan - su
05:57 < rxr> cu even
06:02 < mnemoc> cu rxr
06:08 < mnemoc> _Lewellyn: the current ip is 200.75.27.91
06:12 < _Lewellyn> rxr: correction, newer powermacs do not have scsi onboard ;)
06:12 < _Lewellyn> i think it happened some time back in the g3 era
06:24 < rxr> I meant older in contrast to the current G5 ones ... ,-)
06:25 < rxr> that is the G4 ones already ship wihtout
06:28 < _Lewellyn> ah. i have machines back to the mac se :)
06:30 < rxr> I have got a 8100/80 here - got it for free - but have not yet powered it up ...
06:30 * _Lewellyn heads off for the evening. should be back soonish
06:55 < rxr> hey - powered it on for the first time now - plays a sound and wants a floppy (no HD in it - someone ripped it out before handing the box to me ...)
07:27 < mnemoc> oh
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07:44 < mnemoc> gn8
07:44 < mnemoc> cu tomorrow
07:44 < rxr> cu mnemoc
07:44 < rxr> sleep well
07:44 < mnemoc> thanks :)
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09:27 < valentin> moin
09:31 < rxr> moin valentin
09:31 < rxr> 03:50 < rxr> valentin: happy birthday ;-)
09:31 < rxr> 03:53 < mnemoc> happy bday valentin!
09:35 < valentin> thanks friends :)
09:38 < rxr> can I call you ?
09:38 -!- morfoh_ [n=jeru@p54BEBBA6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2
09:39 < valentin> ok
09:39 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5812275159&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
09:46 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5813071958&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
09:48 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5813071958&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
09:48 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5811805666&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
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09:52 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8700445059&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
10:11 < rxr> ls -l x11-mod | wc -l
10:11 < rxr> 269
11:11 < rxr> x11-modular# svn status | wc -l
11:11 < rxr> 277
11:21 < rxr> # l */*/*.desc | wc -l
11:21 < rxr> 2109
11:22 < rxr> # ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg -prefix /opt/x11-modular -repository x11-modular
11:22 < rxr> ..
11:56 -!- freddy [i=pitti@pD9F534DD.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2
11:56 < freddy> morjen
12:06 < rxr> moin freddy
12:06 < freddy> moin
12:06 < freddy> du rxr auf gsmp kommt kein x die spinnen doch alle
12:06 < rxr> ok - ,-)
12:07 < rxr> freddy: hast du mein Kommentar ala: Die koenne ja auch Biologie oder Gertn?rei studieren" gelesen ,-)?
12:07 < rxr> was haben die denn f?r Probleme mit den Rechnern im INI ?
12:07 < freddy> jo
12:08 < freddy> die sind alle nur sehr wichtig
12:08 < rxr> informatik => computer
12:08 < freddy> echt ? ;)
12:09 < rxr> wenn die mir irgendwelche 1x1 cm IBM Cell CPUs geben sind die Rechner auch kleiner ...
12:09 < freddy> hehe
12:09 < freddy> also net wundern wenn es mal kurz weg is ich baue an der firewall
12:09 < rxr> freddy: wie geht es dir sonnst so ?
12:09 < freddy> ganz ganz gut
12:09 < freddy> viel gearbeit
12:10 < rxr> freddy: yep - ich auch
12:10 < freddy> die dmz steht so gut wie
12:10 < rxr> ab diesem semester studiere ich wieder - medien informatik ;-)
12:10 < freddy> fein das freut mich
12:10 < freddy> :-))
12:11 < freddy> was rechnen sie an?
12:11 < freddy> doch einiges oder?
12:12 < rxr> muss ich noch diskutieren
12:12 < rxr> bin erst seit ein paar tagen immatrikuliert ...
12:12 < freddy> goil
12:12 < freddy> du brauchst den verdammt abschluss, egal was drufsteht
12:12 < rxr> die wollten aber nen neues vorpratikum - voll verwirrt die leute ...
12:12 < freddy> hehe falsche drogen
12:12 < rxr> ich habe den kurzer hand nen zettel von meiner firma gegeben ...
12:13 < rxr> Herr R. hat in unseren Hause zu unser vollsten zufriedenheit, bla blubs ...
12:13 < rxr> damit waren die scheinbar zufrieden ...
12:13 < freddy> hehe
12:13 < freddy> na bitte
12:13 < rxr> hauptsache ich kann auch das richtige praktikum "hier" machen ,-)
12:14 < freddy> der chef muss zustimmen, und wenn du dich gut machst macht er das bestimmt ;)
12:15 < rxr> ich w?ge gerade ab ob ich ein relativ grosses projekt f?r eine taiwanesische scanner firma mache
12:15 < freddy> so ich geh erstma. und keine panic der rechner bleibt im 23er segment koste es was es wolle
12:15 < rxr> software fuer digital kopierer - die w?rde uns jedoch ziehmlich auslasten ...
12:16 < rxr> waere aber cool ,-)
12:16 < rxr> cu freddy - viel spass auf nexus ..
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12:38 < CIA-9> rene * r12228 /trunk/scripts/Emerge-Pkg:
12:38 < CIA-9> * added a intendional undocumented -prefix option to Emerge for
12:38 < CIA-9> T2 core developer test builds
13:36 < rxr> include/linux/etherdevice.h: In function 'ipw2100_set_address':
13:36 < rxr> include/linux/etherdevice.h:85: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault
13:36 < rxr> ... :-(
17:05 < valentin> opensuse website had been hacked ?!
17:06 < mnemoc> rehi
17:07 < mnemoc> i see no problems at www.opensuse.org/
17:11 < rxr> mnemoc: a news site reports hack ...
17:12 < rxr> maybe they already fixed it ...
17:12 * rxr taking a bath
17:13 < rxr> damn sore throat
17:13 < valentin> hi mnemoc, rxr
17:13 < rxr> valentin: btw. has my money arrived on your bank account ?
17:13 < mnemoc> hi ++valentin
17:13 < valentin> sure
17:14 < valentin> ++valentin.age.years
17:14 < mnemoc> :)
17:15 < valentin> while (valentin.age.years < X) { ... }
17:15 < valentin> .oO
17:15 < mnemoc> ++X
17:15 < valentin> hehe
17:27 < mnemoc> damn.... i forgot to re-install lilo after changing a remote kernel :\
17:29 < mnemoc> madtux! i need you
17:46 < valentin> mnemoc: that is why i prefer grub
17:46 < valentin> ah, a remote one ? well ...
17:49 < mnemoc> at madtux's datacenter i.e. costa rica
17:51 < owl> madtux's datacenter?
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17:52 < rxr> re
17:52 < mnemoc> owl: yep
17:53 < mnemoc> wb rxr
17:53 * rxr waiting for the new camile tea to be prepared ...
17:53 < owl> mnemoc: O_O
17:53 < owl> hi rxr , mnemoc
17:53 < mnemoc> owl: what's wrong?
17:53 < rxr> camomile even
17:53 < owl> mnemoc: nothing i am just surprised
17:53 < mnemoc> owl: how are your rats?
17:54 < mnemoc> rxr: it's called 'manzanilla' here ;)
17:54 < owl> mnemoc: my _hamster_ is fine, thx. but my bird not really... :)
17:54 < owl> btw, someone has miguel's email-addy?
17:54 < mnemoc> one rat?
17:54 < owl> mnemoc: nah, one hamster :)
17:55 < mnemoc> owl: his domain is at my server, which is out of electricity, and i killed the machine i supposed to finish today to move his things to there :\
17:55 < mnemoc> owl: i thought you had two
17:56 < owl> mnemoc: ah. i c. ;)
17:56 < mnemoc> owl: but iirc he also have codetux@gmail.com
17:57 < owl> mnemoc: nah, just one... (calypso) mephisto (my first hamster) and zarathustra (my bf's hamster) died some month ago
17:57 < owl> thx :)
17:58 < mnemoc> your bf has his thing dead? .oO
17:58 < mnemoc> s/thing/rat/
17:58 < owl> mnemoc: yeah :(
17:58 < owl> http://gallery.karnaya.de/v/tiere/hamster/ <- you see the three _hamsters_ here :p
17:59 < valentin> hi owl
17:59 < owl> hi valentin
18:00 < valentin> sorry for your hamsters
18:00 < owl> thx.
18:00 < mnemoc> nah, she eat them
18:00 < mnemoc> ate*
18:00 < valentin> mnemoc: don't be rude
18:01 < owl> mnemoc: nah! ;)
18:02 < mnemoc> valentin: she knows i'm teasing her... i hope.
18:03 < owl> .oO( "yes, i do" )
18:03 < mnemoc> :-)
18:04 < mnemoc> zarathustra had a tumor, right?
18:04 < owl> mnemoc: excactly.
18:07 < valentin> also sprach Zarathustra und verliess seine Hoele, gluehend und stark, wie eine Morgensonne, die aus dunklen Bergen kommt.
18:07 < valentin> Hamsters live in Hoelen, too
18:09 < owl> yeah ;)
18:10 < mnemoc> :-)
18:11 * mnemoc tried to start learning sanscrit long time ago
18:11 < mnemoc> sanskrit*
18:12 < owl> sanscrit?
18:13 < mnemoc> a language ;)
18:14 < mnemoc> but i'll try german first
18:14 < rxr> mnemoc: kamille in germany
18:15 < valentin> why sanscrit ?
18:16 < mnemoc> my hobby use to be ancient history and history of religions... and i tried to learn to read some simple texts in their original language
18:17 < mnemoc> now i don't have much time for that :\
18:22 < veki> sanscrit is divine language and many words that we use in languages today are derived or do have certain origin in sanscrit
18:23 < mnemoc> sadly there are no much resources on that field here
18:24 < veki> in our language we say dolina for walley. on sanscrit walley is dolina too
18:24 < veki> in some variants of slavic languages knowledge is veda like in sanscrit
18:24 < mnemoc> :)
18:25 < veki> we say fro T-shirt kosula like in sanscrit, so we speak even if we are not aware of it
18:25 < veki> ethimology of many words does have roots in sanscrit and that familiy of languega as it is pracrit etc.
18:26 < veki> however, it is good to develop capacity of trans-semiotic and trans-sematic relationships
18:26 < veki> target building is somehow similar :-)
18:26 < mnemoc> o.o
18:28 < CIA-9> rene * r12229 /trunk/package/x11-modular/ (21 files in 16 dirs):
18:28 < CIA-9> * added scripts to generate packages from the modular X tarballs
18:28 < CIA-9> * renamed previously modular packages to the new, official names part I
18:29 < rxr> hey - this sex baby sex song of the mp3 stream from a band named Superbus has riffs from our drunken jam sessions of our youth
18:30 < rxr> they stole our ideas valentin !
18:30 < veki> mnemoc: ah, yes, do you agree
18:33 < mnemoc> uhm? :)
18:34 < mnemoc> rxr: sue them :)
18:36 < CIA-9> rene * r12230 /trunk/package/x11-modular/ (25 files in 7 dirs): * rename previously present modular packages to new names
18:37 < veki> mnemoc: abstractions are not easy to discuss :-) that is their challenge and spice :-)
18:38 < mnemoc> discuss them on a foreign language is even harder
18:38 < valentin> rxr: what sex song ?
18:41 < rxr> the name is "sex baby sex" - the band "superbus" or so
18:42 < valentin> sounds drunk
18:46 < veki> mnemoc: ah yes..:-) I hope we will have an opportunity to meet each other have a beer and discuss ;-)
18:53 < rxr> mnemoc: embedded built mostly here
18:53 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe dietlibc is some "depending on host" issue ?
18:56 < mnemoc> rxr: can you try on sheba?
18:57 < mnemoc> veki: :)
18:57 < rxr> I hope mnemoc does not slap me for this commit:
18:58 < veki> mnemoc: i have to go now, cu tomorrow
18:58 < mnemoc> cu veki
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18:59 < CIA-9> rene * r12231 /trunk/package/x11-modular/ (782 files in 269 dirs): (log message trimmed)
18:59 < CIA-9> * added xlsfonts (0.99.0)
18:59 < CIA-9> * added fslsfonts (0.99.0)
18:59 < CIA-9> * added xfd (0.99.0)
18:59 < CIA-9> * added xkill (0.99.0)
18:59 < CIA-9> * added libxtrap (0.99.0)
18:59 < CIA-9> * added lbxproxy (0.99.0)
18:59 < mnemoc> 269 dirs?!
18:59 < rxr> yes - about 250 new packages
18:59 < rxr> all in x11-modular ...
19:00 < rxr> I could have boosted the commit graph by for each in ...
19:00 < mnemoc> T2 2.2+ :)
19:00 < rxr> though I think one modular commit is the best thing (tm) for the migration ...
19:00 < rxr> mnemoc: btw. I plan to have 2.2.0 in november
19:01 < mnemoc> there is no need to boost commit graph.... i want single commits to be able to search my t2-svn folder by subject
19:01 < rxr> mnemoc: ack
19:01 < mnemoc> let's stabilize 2.1 first please
19:02 < rxr> that is resolve random dietlibc issue and release ?
19:02 < mnemoc> dietlibc and a few small fixes i showed you
19:02 < mnemoc> it's not random
19:02 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - host installation dependant I think
19:03 < mnemoc> can you try sheba?
19:03 < rxr> mnemoc: I try later
19:03 < rxr> valentin: now, with this fine grained X packages it really is the time to have perfect dep graph code withotu static priority ...
19:04 < rxr> t2-trunk/package# l */*/*.desc | wc -l
19:04 < rxr> 2105
19:04 < rxr> though there are some to be removed from x11-modular
19:05 < rxr> but I had to rm -rf due to a messed up .svn files due to a forgotten code sniplet in my generator code ...
19:05 < rxr> that is I lost what packages to remove
19:05 < mnemoc> i'll build a diet-embedded/t2-2.1 now
19:05 < rxr> a shared file error of my currently running build will show me again ,-)
19:05 < rxr> but I think we need a mesa package now - since it is not included in the single X packages anymore as far as I have seen
19:06 < rxr> thus we now need mesa for the GL implementation and the DRI drivers ...
19:06 < rxr> but I'll see in my build
19:06 < rxr> I also need to some hack code to prevent mkfontdir and friends from beeing run inside the various new, single font packages ...
19:06 < rxr> and I think we will see some regressions due to my intentional X dir change from X11R6 to X11R7
19:07 < rxr> that is what modular X will be versioned as - and let's bette fix those hardcodings now then later on ...
19:07 < rxr> that is know trunk is a bit messed up anyway ,-)
19:08 < mnemoc> lets branch 2.2 after 2.1.0?
19:08 < mnemoc> 2.1.1*
19:08 < rxr> of course
19:08 < rxr> trunk need a lot stabilization / fixup now
19:08 < rxr> now == with the gcc-4.0.x update and modular X ...
19:09 < mnemoc> and upcomming kde
19:10 < rxr> kde 4 =
19:10 < rxr> or 3.5 ?
19:10 < mnemoc> 3.5 :)
19:10 < rxr> Mac OS X 10.4.3 Includes Over 500 Fixes, Due This Month
19:11 < rxr> Mac OS X 10.4.3 continues to include references to unreleased PowerMac and PowerBook models, according sources. The frequency in which Apple has released new builds of the update indicates that a release is on tap for the first half of October.
19:11 < rxr> hm - ok - I wait with PowerPC hardware investment then ...
19:11 < rxr> btw. I have a shiny new, not too much used Mac mini 1.42 Ghz for sale
19:11 < rxr> anyone ?
19:13 < owl> how much would it cost?
19:17 < mnemoc> rxr: there are any chances to move www3.t2-project.org to anywhere with good bw there?
19:22 < mnemoc> rxr: i just noticed the difference, embedded is stage-{0,1}-only
19:23 < mnemoc> mnemosyne/dietlibc is a normal target from stage 0 to 7
19:52 < rxr> and what is the first thing failing ?
19:54 < CIA-9> rene * r12232 /trunk/scripts/Build-Target: * fixed lzop binary package support - the compressor is lzop not just lzo
19:55 < rxr> wow r12232 ,-)
19:55 < rxr> we dinner
19:55 < rxr> cu soon
19:57 < mnemoc> cu rxr
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20:39 < mnemoc> rxr: did ppp build for you on dietembedded/2.1?
20:39 < rxr> nope
20:39 < rxr> but that is a known issue AFAIR
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20:42 < minto_> Hi folks
20:43 < minto_> Just a quick wireless visit :)
20:45 < rxr> hi minto_ !
20:46 < minto_> hi rxr
20:46 < minto_> I am sitting here in my car accessing a hotspot :)
20:48 < minto_> I just noticed noisy is not being used :(
20:48 < rxr> minto_: :-(
20:48 < rxr> mnemoc: go go
20:49 < rxr> minto_: after fixing up my modular X work basically I could do trunk ref bulds on it ,-)
20:49 < minto_> :)
20:49 < minto_> I can start that one up as well :)
20:50 < rxr> I have to do basic fixup before trunk is useful again
20:50 < minto_> But unfortunately I have no time to do any serious fixing.
20:50 < rxr> minto_: no problem
20:50 < rxr> I do trunk ref builds on noisy soon ,-)
20:50 < minto_> :) You make me happy
20:51 < minto_> 64 bits 2.1 rc3 also has some problems.
20:51 < minto_> http://multimach.dyndns.org/t2/trunk/regressions/2.1.0-rc3-desktop/regressions.html
20:56 < minto_> I gotta go again. see you all later.
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21:00 < mnemoc> what is, comparativly, a sempron?
21:01 < mnemoc> rxr: why do you move native libs to lib64 instead of moving foreign libs to lib32?
21:14 < rxr> mnemoc: sempron what ?
21:15 < rxr> mnemoc: because I do not want to patch and hack with binutils and gcc ...
21:15 < rxr> also lib64 is LSB
21:16 < mnemoc> sempron, the amd processor
21:17 < mnemoc> ok, i'll buy the LSB thing
21:17 < rxr> you do not buy patching gcc and binutils ?
21:17 < rxr> mnemoc: what do you wanna know 'bout the sempron ?
21:19 < mnemoc> what is it, what's it's target, .... performance, etc..
21:19 < rxr> sppron is el-cheapo - like intel celerons
21:19 < rxr> but the latest semprons are 64bit
21:20 < mnemoc> rxr: i have seen lot of hackery to support lib64, i'm not sure if gcc/binutil would have but that much patching
21:20 < rxr> what hackery ?
21:20 < rxr> the first lib64 less builds have been hackery - but that was reverted
21:20 < mnemoc> i mean on the packages,
21:21 < rxr> I think there is not too much lib64 stuff
21:21 < rxr> and we should rather expand this rather than wory
21:21 < rxr> worry
21:21 < mnemoc> ok
21:22 < rxr> since in theory multi-libs stuff would allow building soft floating point (-fp), other optimizations, -whatever-sub-arch, linux thread vs. nptl and so on sub lib dirs
21:22 < rxr> if the packages are clean to honor $libdir we could do a lot moe generically ...
21:23 < mnemoc> yes, this is a good test to force $libdir
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22:02 < CIA-9> rene * r12233 /trunk/package/archiver/lzma/ (. compile.patch lzma.cache lzma.desc): * added lzma (4.27.1)
22:06 < CIA-9> rene * r12234 /trunk/package/archiver/lzma/lzma.desc: * added the U tag to lzma
22:10 < CIA-9> rene * r12235 /trunk/package/archiver/lzop/lzop.desc: * lzop needs to be build in stage 0 if it is used as compressor
22:28 < CIA-9> rene * r12236 /trunk/package/archiver/rzip/ (. rzip.cache rzip.desc): * added rzip (2.0)
22:48 < rxr> n8 all
22:54 < mnemoc> n8 rxr
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