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00:03 < CIA-9> ragnar * r12245 /trunk/package/base/sysfiles/etc_profile.txt: * sysfiles: include /usr/X11*/lib/pkgconfig in PKG_CONFIG_PATH, not just /X11/
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09:17 < owl> .oO( wtf is kbrecht? and why does he/she/it complain about receiving t2-update-mails... from a ML.. (where is described what to do, if no further messages should be received ) - people are strange. )
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09:46 < valentin> moin
09:46 < owl> hi valentin 
09:48 < valentin> hi
09:48 < valentin> i removed this idiot from the update list
09:48 < owl> hehe
09:50 < owl> ouch
09:50 < valentin> Sep 28 10:01 2005 krbrecht@compuserve.de (k brecht): subscribe t2-updates
09:50 < owl> how dumb was he?
09:50 < valentin> don't know
09:51 < owl> lol. "regenwurm-intelligenz - der schwanz weiss nicht was der kopf tut"
09:51 < owl> *eating telephone*
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10:10 < rxr_> re
10:10 < valentin> i wrote him a mail telling him how to unsubscribe from mailing lists :)
10:17 < rxr_> Asymptote 0.91 
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10:49 < valentin> rxr: i'll update Asymptote in some minutes
10:55 < CIA-9> rene * r12246 /trunk/package/gnome2/abiword/abiword.desc: * updated abiword (2.2.10 -> 2.4.0)
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13:09 < CIA-9> valentin * r12247 /trunk/package/graphic/asymptote/asymptote.desc: * updated asymptote (v0.88 -> v0.91)
13:17 < valentin> maybe that krbrecht is the person who wrote the comments in that golem article: http://www.golem.de/0505/37972.html
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13:32 < Baldzius> moin :)
13:40 < rxr> moin
13:57 < CIA-9> chris * r12248 /trunk/package/x11/wmclockmon/ (. wmclockmon.desc): * added wmclockmon (0.8.1) dockapp
13:58 < CIA-9> chris * r12249 /trunk/package/x11/wmbatteries/ (. wmbatteries.desc): * added wmbatteried (0.1.3) dockapp
14:00 < CIA-9> chris * r12250 /trunk/package/x11/wmnetload/ (. wmnetload.desc): * added wmnetload (1.3) dockap
14:01 < CIA-9> chris * r12251 /trunk/package/x11/wmmemmon/ (. wmmemmon.desc): * added wmmemmon (1.0.1) dockapp
14:02 < CIA-9> chris * r12252 /trunk/package/x11/wmcpuload/ (. wmcpuload.desc): * added wmcpuload (1.0.1) dockapp
14:06 < CIA-9> chris * r12253 /trunk/package/x11/wmdiskmon/ (. wmdiskmon.desc): * added wmdiskmon (0.0.2) dockapp
14:13 < owl> valentin: "die mail druck ich aus und rahm ich ein" *gggg*
14:15 < CIA-9> chris * r12254 /branches/2.1/package/x11/libdockapp/libdockapp.desc: * merged 10575: updated libdockapp (0.5.0 -> 0.6.1)
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14:37 < rxr> finally - gtk+12 compiles again with modular X - puh - that was a crap
14:39 < CIA-9> rene * r12255 /trunk/package/x11-modular/ (13 files in 3 dirs): 
14:39 < CIA-9> * fixed x11-modular to allow building of the annoying gtk+12:
14:39 < CIA-9> * added imake (2005-10-03)
14:39 < CIA-9> * added cf (2005-10-03)
14:39 < CIA-9> * added xmkmf (2005-10-03)
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14:47 < CIA-9> rene * r12256 /trunk/package/x11-modular/xproto/xproto.conf: * fixed X symlink creation in xproto
14:48 < CIA-9> rene * r12257 /trunk/package/x11-modular/xcursor-themes/xcursor-themes.desc: * fixed xcursor-themes build prioirity
14:51 < CIA-9> rene * r12258 /trunk/package/x11-modular/ (264 files in 264 dirs): * injected checksums into x11-modular packages
15:18 < CIA-9> aldas * r12259 /trunk/package/security/shorewall/ (makefile.patch shorewall.cache shorewall.conf shorewall.desc): 
15:18 < CIA-9> * updated shorewall (1.4.10c -> 2.4.4)
15:18 < CIA-9> * removed makefile.patch
15:18 < CIA-9> * updated shorewall.cache
15:18 < CIA-9> * modified shorewall.conf
15:33 < CIA-9> rene * r12260 /trunk/package/kde/qt/qt.conf: 
15:33 < CIA-9> * fixed qt for lib64/ installed X (such as now the case with x11-modular
15:33 < CIA-9>  but should have been before anyway)
15:40 < rxr> ok - so qt compiled now as well
15:41 < Baldzius> 3.3.5?
15:43 < rxr> yes, but with the new 270+ single X packages in trunk
15:43 < rxr> I'm about to remove xorg in favour of those new split up packages
15:45 < Baldzius> 3.3.5 breaks a lot of kde apps, i am now waiting for 3.3.6 to start bug hunting on trunk :)
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15:47 < mtr> moin moin
15:47 < Baldzius> hi mtr
15:51 < mtr> rxr: renderproto lacks .desc, and xproxymanagementprotocol needs a prio tweak, do you mind if i commit into x11-modular?
16:03 < rxr> second
16:04 < CIA-9> rene * r12261 /trunk/package/x11-modular/renderproto/renderproto.desc: * added missing renderproto.desc
16:04 < rxr> ok - ,-) feel free to fix the priority ,-)
16:16 < CIA-9> mtr * r12262 /trunk/package/x11-modular/xproxymanagementprotocol/xproxymanagementprotocol.desc: * tweak prio to build xproxymanagementproto before proxymngr
16:20 < CIA-9> rene * r12263 /trunk/package/x11/mesalib/ (. mesalib.desc): * added mesalib (4.0) - ported from dRock-1.6.1-rc2
16:22 < rxr> mtr: do you perform a modular X build ?
16:22 < CIA-9> rene * r12264 /trunk/package/x11/mesalib/mesalib.desc: * updated mesalib (4.0 -> 6.3.2)
16:27 < mtr> rxr: yep, checked out your work on trunk and added it to my desktop target, just to see if there are some trivial fixes i can contribute ;)
16:27 < mtr> rxr: what are your plans about linux24 ?
16:28 < rxr> leave for testing, or maybe add 26-mm so we can test that per kernel builds work as intended
16:28 < mtr> i would like to keep 24, for some targets (psion?) it may be really useful
16:29 < CIA-9> aldas * r12265 /trunk/package/network/tcpdump/tcpdump.desc: * updated tcpdump (3.9.3 -> 3.9.4)
16:29 < rxr> ok - I was not pushing to drop it soon
16:30 < mtr> currently linux24 needs patching cause of gcc4 regressions, and devfs may be another issue
16:31 < rxr> yes - running linux24 from trunk definetly is a professional user situation where he/she needs some extra tweaking
17:09 < CIA-9> rene * r12266 /trunk/package/printing/cups-pdf/ (. cups-pdf.cache cups-pdf.conf cups-pdf.desc): * added cups-pdf (2.0beta1)
17:14 < mnemoc> moin
17:14 < mnemoc> i would drop linux24@trunk
17:17 < mtr> moin mnemoc 
17:19 < mnemoc> moin mtr 
17:19 < rxr> moin mnemoc 
17:20 < rxr> mnemoc: xorg as well, right ?
17:22 < mtr> mnemoc: there are sure pros and cons about linux24, thats why i touched this subject
17:23 < rxr> as long as it does not hinder someone I would keep it in trunk
17:23 < rxr> and if it is just for postlinux.conf testing ...
17:24 < mtr> mnemoc: what would be your reasons to drop it ?
17:25 < rxr> non u/dev support and missing devfs support in trunk I assume mostly
17:25 < rxr> package# l */*/*.desc |
17:25 < rxr> 2114
17:26 < rxr> well - I think modular X is now ready for most applications in trunk
17:26 < rxr> qt and gtk+* built now
17:26 < rxr> whether the server and drivers work is another question
17:28 < mnemoc> rxr: yes, 2.1=monolithic, 2.2=fully modular
17:28 < mnemoc> mtr: 2.1=devfs, 2.2=udev
17:29 < rxr> ok - I'll soon svn rm the xorg* packages in trunk
17:35 < mtr> mnemoc: 2.1 = linux2{4,6} and devfs and gcc-3.4.x ?
17:38 < rxr> yes
17:50 < mnemoc> having 2.4 with ancient /dev schema is ridiculous
17:52 < mtr> having 2.6.14 without u/dev is impossible :)
17:53 < mnemoc> yep
18:11 < rxr> well - we need 2.2 ASAP ... due this devfs madness ...
18:15 < mnemoc> yep
18:16 < mnemoc> but 2.1 first :)
18:19 < _Ragnar_> what's the procedure for shared files e.g. fonts.dir fonts.scale usw?
18:21 < mnemoc> nobody owns them, and it's generated by cron
18:21 < mnemoc> 'postinstallationfiles'
18:38 < CIA-9> pfister * r12267 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/hotplug.d/default/90-backup.hotplug: Hotplug features - closing firefox
18:46 < CIA-9> pfister * r12268 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/.fluxbox/menu: Function keys for archivista box
18:48 < CIA-9> pfister * r12269 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/.fluxbox/keys: Function keys
18:49 < CIA-9> pfister * r12270 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/home/archivista/ (avocr-restart.sh avocr.sh db-master-disable.sh db-master.sh): Actual version for Archivista box
18:51 < rxr> mnemoc: I still need to add some wrapper for them - since now we have multiple modular font packages running the mkfont* and freiends ...
18:51 < rxr> friends ...
18:55 < mnemoc> rxr: when can you give me a hand with pure-dietlibc gcc-3.4.4 issue?
19:13 < mnemoc> btw, there are two uncommited patches on the ML
19:19 < _Ragnar_> moin
19:19 < mnemoc> moin _Ragnar_ 
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19:26 < minto> Hi folks
19:27 < mnemoc> hi minto 
19:29 < rxr> mnemoc: do you commit?
19:29 < rxr> mnemoc: I can - how to reproduce - or where to login?
19:30 < rxr> but longer debugging has to be done tomorrow or so - need to do archivsta work now
19:30 < mnemoc> rxr: reproduce, using mnemosyne2. login, let me install dropbear on my builder
19:31 < rxr> mnemoc: mnemosyne2 on stable or trunk ?
19:32 < mnemoc> 2.1
19:32 < mnemoc> svn pedit svn:externals 'mnemosyne http://svn.exactcode.de/mnemosyne/mnemosyne/trunk' target/
19:32 < mnemoc> pset*
19:33 < mnemoc> mnemosyne2 :\
19:33 < rxr> hm - ic
19:33 < rxr> ok - I can start that this evening
19:33 < rxr> s/that /that build /
19:35 < mnemoc> i'm setting up dropbear inside the vserver i'm using to build now
19:36 < CIA-9> aldas * r12271 /trunk/package/java/kaffe/ (kaffe.desc version.patch): 
19:36 < CIA-9> * updated kaffe (1.1.5 -> 1.1.6)
19:36 < CIA-9> * removed version.patch
19:44 < minto> I am off again, bye all
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19:45 < CIA-9> rene * r12272 /trunk/target/archivista/rootfs/etc/hotplug.d/default/90-backup.hotplug: 
19:45 < CIA-9> * fixed archivista 90-backup.hotplug to skip fixed (e.g. SCSI, SATA)
19:45 < CIA-9>  disk and thus only use removal (usb-storage) ones
19:47 < rxr> mnemoc: since when do you use dropbear ?
19:47 < mnemoc> today
19:48 < mnemoc> since today + ${random}m
19:48 < rxr> how comes ?
19:48 < owl> dropbear?
19:48 < mnemoc> i don't want an opensshd running on each vserver
19:50 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/dropbear.html
19:50 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/
19:50 < rxr> ^- is your friend
19:50 < owl> thx ;)
19:51 < mnemoc> :)
19:51 < mnemoc> 'sam' will be your friend, soo
19:51 < mnemoc> soon
19:52 < owl> sam?
19:52 < owl> .oO( a ghost named sam? )
19:52 < mnemoc> http://svn.geeks.cl/oss/sam/trunk/README
19:54 < owl> thx again ;)
19:58 < mnemoc> http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/10/02/218233 <--- i love T2 ;)
19:59 < rxr> you mean to build with a non Linux kernel= 
19:59 < rxr> ? even
20:00 < rxr> status: kdebase built with modular x.org
20:02 < mnemoc> :D
20:04 < mnemoc> rxr: not in this case, i was thinking about specs files
20:04 < mnemoc> rxr: can i add chmod to /dev mknod-s ?
20:05 < rxr> what chmod do you want to do ?
20:05 < mnemoc> c# l build/qmail-2.1-stable-x86-pentium4-mnemosyne2/dev/
20:05 < mnemoc> total 1
20:05 < mnemoc> drwxr-xr-x   3 root root  192 2005-10-04 13:43 .
20:05 < mnemoc> drwx------  21 root root  512 2005-10-03 17:58 ..
20:05 < mnemoc> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   13 2005-10-03 18:11 fd -> /proc/self/fd
20:05 < rxr> this subnotebook is so amazing fast ... my oh my ...
20:05 < mnemoc> drwxr-xr-x   2 root root  144 2005-10-04 13:43 loop
20:05 < mnemoc> crw-r--r--   1 root root 1, 3 2005-10-04 13:43 null
20:05 < mnemoc> crw-r--r--   1 root root 1, 8 2005-10-04 13:43 random
20:05 < mnemoc> crw-r--r--   1 root root 1, 9 2005-10-04 13:43 urandom
20:05 < mnemoc> crw-r--r--   1 root root 1, 5 2005-10-04 13:43 zero
20:06 < sparc-kly> what subnotebook you have rxr?
20:07 < mnemoc> why do we use loop/ inside chroot?
20:08 < CIA-9> aldas * r12273 /trunk/package/x11/nxcomp/nxcomp.desc: * updated nxcomp (1.4.0-31 -> 1.5.0-65)
20:10 < rxr> what do you want to chmod ?
20:10 < mnemoc> null and zero
20:10 < mnemoc> +w
20:11 < rxr> mnemoc: some image construction might need it
20:11 < rxr> e.g. the odl mkinitrd
20:11 < rxr> old
20:11 < rxr> also other packages might like to create ext2/3 images ... or 99-final as well
20:11 < rxr> sparc-kly: a AMD Turion MT-30
20:11 < mnemoc> ok
20:11 < rxr> sparc-kly: MSI Megabok s270
20:13 < rxr> it even suspends to ram under linux ...
20:13 < rxr> though I have some tiny issues left - e.g. clock drift
20:13 < rxr> and I throw the included mini PCI card into the trash can - was an Intersil IMPROCOMM 2220 (--typos=
20:13 < rxr> ) even
20:14 < rxr> and injected a Intel 2200 one that has GPL drivers ...
20:16 < mnemoc> uhm... chmod doesn't work
20:17 < mnemoc> # ls -alF /dev/null
20:17 < mnemoc> crw-rw-rw-  1 root root 1, 3 2005-10-03 01:55 /dev/null
20:17 < mnemoc> ls -alF build/qmail-2.1-stable-x86-pentium4-mnemosyne2/dev/null
20:17 < mnemoc> crw-rw-rw-  1 root root 1, 3 2005-10-04 14:14 build/qmail-2.1-stable-x86-pentium4-mnemosyne2/dev/null
20:17 < mnemoc> # ls > /dev/null
20:17 < CIA-9> rene * r12274 /trunk/package/printing/cups-pdf/cups-group.patch: * fixed cups-pdf to use an existing group and thus not exit immediately
20:17 < mnemoc> # ls > build/qmail-2.1-stable-x86-pentium4-mnemosyne2/dev/null
20:17 < mnemoc> bash: build/qmail-2.1-stable-x86-pentium4-mnemosyne2/dev/null: Permission denied
20:19 < rxr> mnemoc: what problems do you encounter?
20:19 < mnemoc> rxr: inside a vserver, with CAP_MKNOD
20:19 < mnemoc> and CAP_SYS_ADMIN capabilities
20:20 < mnemoc> i can create /dev/null
20:20 < mnemoc> when entering stage 2
20:20 < mnemoc> but _that_ c 1,3 is not writable
20:21 < mnemoc> cp -a doesn't work neither....
20:22 < mnemoc> but mount --bind works
20:25 < mnemoc> this is odd
20:25 < rxr> mnemoc: i have nto to much experience with vseter
20:25 < rxr> vserver
20:26 < mnemoc> vserver just restrict linux capabilities
20:27 < mnemoc> to an explicitly choosen list
20:35 < valentin> http://www.edwardtufte.com/tufte/powerpoint
20:35 < valentin> hi all
20:35 < mnemoc> hi valentin 
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20:57 < valentin> did lars find out why kpdf 3.4 freezes on PDFs with TOC ?
20:58 < mnemoc> o.o
21:05 < CIA-9> aldas * r12277 /trunk/package/x11/nxcomp/make-install.patch: * adopted patch for new version
21:12 < mnemoc> Baldzius == aldas?
21:14 < valentin> think so
21:14 < rxr> mnemoc: ack
21:16 < mnemoc> Baldzius: will you add partimage yourself?
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22:16 < Baldzius> mnemoc: ok
22:16 < mnemoc> it was a question :)
22:17 < mnemoc> apropos your question on the patch mail, we enable ssl support always when openssl is installed
22:18 < mnemoc> if you really don't want openssl, keep it disabled and people can enable it on their targets using pkg_partimage.conf
22:18 < mnemoc> minimize Config options as much as you can
22:19 < Baldzius> got it
22:20 < mnemoc> pkginstalled openssl && var_append ' ' --enable-ssl      <--- something like this is usually done
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22:26 < CIA-9> rene * r12278 /trunk/target/archivista/ (4 files in 3 dirs): 
22:26 < CIA-9> * added cups-pdf (pdf printing) to the archivista target and added configuration
22:26 < CIA-9>  scripts to setup and disable the PDF printing as well as assocaited menu
22:26 < CIA-9>  entries
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22:36 < Baldzius> mnemoc: i know, i can hardly remember but there was a problem with openssl 
22:37 < Baldzius> tommorow i'll take a look 
22:37 < Baldzius> and then commit it
22:38 < mnemoc> :)
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