--- Log opened Sat Nov 05 00:00:23 2005 --- Day changed Sat Nov 05 2005 00:00 < morfoh> # svn log package/*/d4x 00:00 < morfoh> svn: PROPFIND Anfrage fehlgeschlagen auf '/t2/trunk/package/network/d4x' 00:00 < morfoh> svn: Berkeley DB error for filesystem /home/svn/t2/db while checkpointing after Berkeley DB transaction: 00:00 < morfoh> No space left on device 00:00 < morfoh> this doesn't look good 00:00 < Baldzius> again :) 00:00 < Baldzius> that error was this morning 00:01 < morfoh> Baldzius: uhm ? 00:01 < Baldzius> rxr: fixed 00:01 < Baldzius> now again 00:01 < morfoh> hmmmm ... seems it wasn't fixed permanently 00:02 < morfoh> so I can't work ... so I have to go to my date :p 00:02 < Baldzius> good luck :) 00:03 < morfoh> thanks robin ... I'll call you if I need support :) 00:03 < Baldzius> :)))))) 00:03 < morfoh> you can even use the batmobil 00:03 < morfoh> :) 00:03 < Baldzius> give me a sign ... security master :) 00:04 < morfoh> Baldzius: I guess you should call me obscurity master :p 00:06 < Baldzius> have a nice date :) 00:06 < morfoh> ok ... I'll prepare my wings now :) 00:06 < morfoh> Baldzius: thanks ... and remember ... keep your pager online ;) 00:07 < Baldzius> :) 00:20 < rxr> damn 00:20 < rxr> retry ... 00:21 < Baldzius> working 00:21 < rxr> tomorrow I need to do a real analysis of the space used - and optinally inject a 2nd HD into the server ... 00:26 < rxr> glibc header generation is a ugly pain 00:27 < rxr> good that I had some remainging sparcling wine from my birthday .. 00:27 < rxr> ../linuxthreads/sysdeps/mips/pt-machine.h:50: error: invalid register name for 'stack_pointer' 00:27 < rxr> arrrrrrggggggghhhhhhh 00:27 < rxr> yet another strange new issue 00:27 * rxr .o(why have I started a mips64 cross build ...) 00:27 < Baldzius> :) 00:42 * rxr needs more wine - back soon 00:43 < rxr> so 00:49 < rxr> http://images.google.com/images?q=sgi%20octane 00:51 < rxr> http://cellar.orac.nl/img2/office2.jpeg 00:51 < rxr> ^- that could be my room 00:54 -!- madtux [i=manolo@pf0.hostarica.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:58 < morfoh> re .... f* ubuntu binary update :p 00:59 < morfoh> my "special" mate here tried an ubuntu update and screwed up his gnome :p 00:59 < mnemoc> rehhi 01:00 < morfoh> seems it isn't that userfriendly :p 01:00 < morfoh> hi companero 01:00 < rxr> hi morfoh 01:00 < rxr> which special mate ? 01:00 < rxr> the philosopher ? 01:00 < rxr> hi mnemoc 01:00 < morfoh> ah! sorry .... hi rxr :) 01:01 < morfoh> rxr: yep 01:01 < mnemoc> hi morfoh, rxr 01:01 < morfoh> a "honk" he is :p 01:02 < mnemoc> rxr: where did you upload ppc iso? 01:02 < rxr> still uploading 01:02 < mnemoc> k 01:02 < rxr> I only have 192 kBits/s upload ... 01:03 < rxr> I consider buying a Sgi Octane 1 or 2 .. 01:03 < rxr> anyone stopping me wasting mone y? 01:03 < morfoh> rxr: what happened with the Alpha box ? ;) 01:03 < mnemoc> not me 01:03 < morfoh> I guess an Octane is a better investment that an old Alpha :p 01:05 < morfoh> damn it's 1 o'clock ... the moron has stolen valuable time ... I've to hurry 01:05 < mnemoc> "I'm pleased to announce that branches/2.1 does _not_ build a full PowerPC64 minimal build without a single error." 01:06 < morfoh> mnemoc: so why do you are pleased then 01:06 < morfoh> ? 01:07 < mnemoc> that's from rene 01:07 < mnemoc> to ML 01:07 < rxr> _now_ 01:07 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... I know. but mostly rene is using it to announce some psitive things 01:08 < rxr> I used the list to keep non-IRCs up-to-date and keep T2 changes propagated to an wider audience 01:09 < rxr> mnemoc: maybe we can get rid of glibc / dietlibc header extraction in stage ss0 01:09 < rxr> 0 01:09 < rxr> gcc-3.4 and up seem to be fixed to not require those uninteresting headers 01:09 < rxr> I just test for mips64 - especially because mips64 stage 0 does a-lot-of crap 01:10 < rxr> sometimes I wonder what drugs the glibc core people are on ... 01:10 < _Ragnar_> *lol* 01:11 < morfoh> rxr: everybody has the right to use his favourite drug anyway :) 01:13 < morfoh> .oO( perhaps they consumed too much Mc.D. food and jolt )o 01:13 < mnemoc> they drug with their own blood 01:16 < rxr> mnemoc: hehehe ,-) 01:17 < rxr> when the next person mentioned germans do so much good open source I'll remember to point them to Ullrich Drepper ,-) 01:17 < rxr> Or Schilly ,-) 01:18 < morfoh> rxr: I don't know what you have against the Schilly Joerg :) 01:20 < morfoh> rxr: but don't worry ... while reading the current "Linux Magazin" I had a similar feeling 01:20 < morfoh> too much "profile neurotics" around :p 01:26 < rxr> ? 01:29 < morfoh> rxr: I mean ... some authors there have very "special" way presenting themselves 01:30 < morfoh> of course excluding the one mostly writing about compiler stuff 01:31 < morfoh> rxr: so ... to be more precisely ... I had _not_ you in mind ;) 01:35 < rxr> morfoh: when we meet next time you need to point me to the article 01:36 < rxr> from me there was none in the linux mag I think anyway _) 01:36 < morfoh> rxr: yes ... in the current issue there was no article from afaik ;) 01:37 < morfoh> from you 01:40 < morfoh> anyway ... they have some interesting topics in there .... but the quality of some articles are not that good .... at least from my point 02:03 < rxr> http://distrowatch.com/ 02:06 < mnemoc> finally :) 02:07 < mnemoc> who owns 'dockapp.h' ? 02:08 < rxr> we need a new logo 02:08 < rxr> look at the freebsd rendered head below ours ... 02:08 < rxr> /var/adm/flists/libdockapp:libdockapp: usr/include/dockapp.h 02:09 < mnemoc> X -----5---9 164.900 x11 wmacpi 2.1 / extra/tool NOPARALLEL 0 02:09 < mnemoc> X -----5---9 169.300 x11 libdockapp 0.6.1 / extra/windowmanager 0 02:10 < mnemoc> why didn't i notice that before?! 02:18 < rxr> I have to crawl into bed soon 02:32 < mnemoc> http://66.34.72.138/techinfo/dim1.jpg <--- base for a logo ;) 02:34 < rxr> hehe 02:40 < mnemoc> http://66.34.72.138/gallery/image/2101628.JPG 02:45 * mnemoc thinking in a gnu driving a vw-t2 02:48 < rxr> http://66.34.72.138/wiring/Transporter_from_August_1967.jpg 02:48 < rxr> ^- if T2 would be that simple ,-) 02:49 < rxr> what bugs me more is the question whether to inevest some EUR into one of those pretty sgi boxes .. 02:54 < rxr> _Ragnar_: regarding r12620 - on mips I need --without-tls AFAICS ... 02:55 < rxr> _Ragnar_: guess I'll commit a conditional --without-tls later on 02:55 < rxr> (when mips64 built reasonable far past 1-glibc ...) 02:56 < _Ragnar_> ok 03:01 < morfoh> http://66.34.72.138/gallery/image/2101628.JPG <-- mnemoc: nice picture from you :p 03:01 < mnemoc> o.o 03:02 < morfoh> some people from western germany around who is older than 25 years ? 03:03 < mnemoc> you 03:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: i mean, who was not born in the GDR ;) 03:04 < rxr> GDR ? 03:04 < morfoh> hmmm ... seems not to be the case 03:04 < morfoh> rxr: German Democratic Republic 03:05 < rxr> is that a typo or en. abbreviation for DDR ... 03:05 < rxr> okok .. 03:05 < morfoh> rxr: that's why asked for someone who is older than 25 :p 03:05 * morfoh hides 03:05 < rxr> ok - waiting for the 8th build of mips64 glibc gets to borring - takes to long time time .. 03:05 < morfoh> rxr: sorry :) 03:05 * rxr hanging up the washed, wet clothes ... 03:05 < rxr> they are waiting too long already anyway .. 03:08 < morfoh> it's very interesting to see the difference, how the germans from the "west" try to explain how undemocratic the GDR was ... besides the fact that they never lived there 03:08 < morfoh> very very strange 03:08 < rxr> what's your point ? 03:10 < morfoh> one example .... I just said ... there is no difference between BND and Stasi .... and you can imagine what kind of reaction my opinion provoked 03:10 < morfoh> both are/were secret services 03:11 < rxr> morfoh: have I missed s.th. or are you talking with someone else .. ? 03:11 < morfoh> 03:05 < rxr> what's your point ? 03:12 < morfoh> rxr: before I had a small discussion with our philosoph ;) 03:12 < morfoh> in the kitchen 03:13 < morfoh> it's very interesting to see, how deep the anti-communist propaganda has gone into minds 03:13 < _Ragnar_> indeed 03:13 < morfoh> the old nazis have done very well 03:13 < _Ragnar_> it's not the nazis it's the cia 03:14 < morfoh> despite the fact if you know from what kind of organization the BND emerged 03:15 < morfoh> and somebody wants to tell me that the stasi was 10000000 times evil than the BND .... absurd 03:17 < morfoh> mnemoc: how do chilean people look back when Allende was head of the state ? 03:17 < morfoh> do they have a more positive picture or negative ? 03:21 < mnemoc> from him? 03:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: not only from him .... I mean generaly the time 03:22 < morfoh> mnemoc: you know I read a lot of articles in my "socialist propaganda newspaper" ;) 03:23 < mnemoc> economicly his government was the worse period on the whole (1810-...) chilean history 03:23 < morfoh> and it seems to me that most people were standing behind him 03:23 < morfoh> if you see the results from the elections 03:23 < mnemoc> please rephrase 03:24 < morfoh> after he became president there were local elections 03:25 < morfoh> and "he" won the elections by >70% I think 03:25 < mnemoc> bullshit :) 03:25 < morfoh> really ? 03:25 < mnemoc> it was a draw, and he was elected by the senate after an agreement with a right-center party :) 03:26 < morfoh> yeah ... but I meant the local elections after that 03:26 < morfoh> in the "districts" 03:27 < mnemoc> never that much 03:27 < morfoh> hmmm .... perhaps I should create a small personal chilean article archive that you can check ;) 03:27 < morfoh> I'm very interested in that part of history 03:27 < morfoh> as you know ;) 03:28 < mnemoc> as people lives from 'aids' at africa, lot of people lives from 'allende' 03:28 < morfoh> ok .... I'll search and reread the mentioned article 03:29 < morfoh> mnemoc: yes ... of course. we discussed that topic a lot 03:29 < morfoh> and there is no question about that there are a lot of "stories" 03:30 < mnemoc> his first year he was aproved, yes. but last two were horrible 03:30 < morfoh> but I guess you can't deny the fact that there were a lot of disturbing powers 03:32 < mnemoc> uncle sam was very happy with the end of the first comunist-wannabe government, but most chileans too. even lot of detractors of militar goverment 03:33 < morfoh> I think socialist geovernment is more precise ... or isn't it ? 03:34 < mnemoc> yes, he was socialist but his strength was on the extreme left 03:34 < morfoh> and there is no wonder that uncle sam and their chiliean military arms were happy about it 03:36 < mnemoc> different parts of 'military' had very different perceptions (and actions) during that time 03:38 < mnemoc> that was a very complex decade, with lot of mistakes before, during and after allende's government 03:39 < mnemoc> on december we have presidential elections. 4 cadidates, 2 from the right, 1 from left-center and 1 left 03:40 < mnemoc> only the one from the left doesn't say that all this problems are past 03:40 < morfoh> but do you think that the "Allende-Wannabe-Communists" had spread the same pain than the "Pinochet-US-Imperial-Puppet-Regime" ? 03:40 < mnemoc> he has 2-3$ on polls 03:41 < mnemoc> 2-3% 03:42 < mnemoc> allende wasn't a wannabe-anything, he had very defined principles. but he got surrounded by the wrong people 03:43 < morfoh> mnemoc: can you point me to some programs of the parties you mentioned already ? 03:43 < morfoh> but I guess it's in spanish only 03:44 < mnemoc> 30000 people has a very very bad time on the first 5 years of militar regime, just less than 1000 had that level of 'pain' pre-militar government (on the 'coutrny' mainly, due to nationalization) 03:45 < mnemoc> morfoh: i guess it's in spanish too 03:46 < mnemoc> morfoh: current socilist government is _proud_ and claims to be loved by the big international enterprises 03:47 < mnemoc> morfoh: that is odd 03:47 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah ... I think I'll read some articles about in the near future and I'll ask you about it then :) 03:47 < morfoh> mnemoc: ack ... 03:47 < mnemoc> they worry about the 10% on the bottom and the 10% on the top 03:47 < morfoh> mnemoc: same here ... but I guess it's more social-democratic than a socialist party 03:48 < morfoh> ok .... here "they" worry about the 10% on top 03:49 < morfoh> everything below have to pay "their taxes" 03:50 < mnemoc> http://www.tomashirsch.cl/program/programa.htm <--- the program of the candidate of the left 03:50 < morfoh> thomas hirsch ? :) 03:50 < morfoh> that's a german name 03:51 < morfoh> hirsch = deer 03:52 < mnemoc> :) 03:52 < mnemoc> very chilean ;) 03:52 < morfoh> yeah .... I can imagine :p 03:52 < mnemoc> http://www.michellebachelet.cl/m_bachelet/grafica/ambientes/0/programa%20MB.pdf <--- the 'status quo' and zero value candidate, but the next president for sure 03:53 < morfoh> mnemoc: so that's the next puppet ? 03:53 < mnemoc> ye 03:53 < mnemoc> s 03:53 < morfoh> from the left-center or from the right ? 03:54 < mnemoc> left-center 03:54 < mnemoc> she is socialist 03:54 < mnemoc> 50% on the polls 03:54 < mnemoc> her campain is leaded by current president, and he answers when someone 'atack' her 03:55 < morfoh> as germany has proven the "left-centered" are more effictive in destroying than the "rights" 03:56 < mnemoc> *ACK* 03:56 < mnemoc> http://www.joaquinlavin.cl/prog_presidencial.zip <--- highly-conservative right 03:56 < morfoh> they are more subtle 03:56 < mnemoc> 27% 03:58 < morfoh> his site make s me nervous :) 03:58 < mnemoc> http://www.sebastianpresidente.cl/abc2/index.php?id=38 <--- and mine :p 03:58 < morfoh> all that flickering :p 03:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: yours ? 03:59 < morfoh> mnemoc: so he must be a "right wing" 03:59 < mnemoc> center-right 04:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: a liberal "crack-head" ? 04:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: what does he stands for ? 04:01 < mnemoc> very capitalist but not crack-head :) 04:01 < mnemoc> pro-SME 04:01 < morfoh> hmmm ? how does that fit ? a capitalist and not a crack-head ? .p 04:03 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah ... the "liberal-pro-SME" capitalists here also claim to support the the small companies ... but in fact they are supporting the global-players 04:04 < morfoh> mnemoc: or do you think the SME's will fiil his pockets more than the big companies ? 04:04 < mnemoc> as far as the whole ship moves forward 'equally' i have no problems with the amounts got by the big ones 04:05 < morfoh> mnemoc: at least he married in the year I was born :) 04:05 < mnemoc> he has 5 brothers, one on each party :p and one hippie singer 04:05 < morfoh> :D 04:06 < morfoh> driving a T2 :D 04:06 < morfoh> I mean ... the hippie 04:06 < mnemoc> sure :) 04:07 < morfoh> I would vote the hippie :p 04:07 < morfoh> common ... say "sure" 04:08 < mnemoc> http://galerias.canal13.cl/Galerias/EnEscena/Television/BIOGRAFIAS_01060001AreaReportajes_Biografias.html 04:08 < mnemoc> ^--- miguel piņera 04:08 < morfoh> hippies are mostly a guarantee for peace .... that's I would vote a hippie :p 04:09 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah ... do you see how peaceful he is sitting on the beach :) 04:10 < morfoh> I guess the hippie is the youngest one of the "furious five" 04:11 < morfoh> http://galerias.canal13.cl/Galerias/EnEscena/Television/BIOGRAFIAS_01060009AreaReportajes_Biografias.html 04:12 < morfoh> yeah ... he is the youngest 04:13 < morfoh> he has learned early from the mistakes of his elder brothers :p 04:13 < morfoh> http://galerias.canal13.cl/Galerias/EnEscena/Television/BIOGRAFIAS_01060050AreaReportajes_Biografias.html <-- why didn't you choosed this picture ? 04:15 < morfoh> mnemoc: but anyway ... many thanks for the short intro of the political landscape in chile :) 04:27 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.76] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:27 -!- mnemoc [n=amery@200.75.27.107] has joined #t2 05:28 < morfoh> haha ... sorry for politally "penetrating" this channel again ... but I just want to tell you the most funny and obscure argument of "my philosoph moron" because one can't compare the Stasi and the BND. He claimed that the Stasi had a *much* bigger annual budget than the BND. He gathered this information at the "Stasi-Memorial" in Berlin, which is sponsored by the german government. It is even officially proven that a lot of "stories" presented at thi 05:29 < _Ragnar_> irc cuts off lines > 500chars 05:29 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.248.53] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:29 < _Ragnar_> so try to limit what you say in one line :) 05:29 < morfoh> good night .... that's all from morfoh's "propaganda channel" for today ... sorry again ;) 05:29 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: ok ... thx ;) 05:30 -!- sparc-kly [n=mubex@64.237.248.53] has joined #t2 05:30 < morfoh> I just couldn't sleep regarding this stupid conversation 05:30 < _Ragnar_> :D 05:30 < _Ragnar_> here you would do a freedom of information act request to get the numbers 05:31 < morfoh> at least I brought someone a smile :D 05:31 < _Ragnar_> *lol* 05:31 < morfoh> _Ragnar_: I'll get the numbers 05:32 < morfoh> I think even the "official" numbers will show the difference 05:33 < morfoh> of course I'll not get the numbers regarding the "inoffical income" from drug trafficing, weapons selling of such services 05:34 < morfoh> anyway ... sorry again ... good night all ... cu tomorrow ;) 05:34 < _Ragnar_> nini 05:37 -!- sparc-kly[G3] [n=root@64.237.248.53] has joined #t2 07:04 -!- sparc-kly[G3] [n=root@64.237.248.53] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:35 -!- mtr [n=Michael@p54AF87AF.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #t2 07:49 -!- mtr_ [n=Michael@p54AFAA33.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:54 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has joined #t2 08:33 < misl> morning all 09:10 < valentin> moin 09:50 -!- Baldzius [n=mx@85.206.101.45] has quit ["Leaving"] 09:51 < rxr> moing 09:52 < CIA-12> rene * r13165 /trunk/target/desktop/config.in: * fixed desktop target to build pdksh for initrd 10:23 -!- rxr_ [n=rene@e178138176.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #t2 10:23 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ 10:23 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 4 16:55:33 2005] 10:23 [Users #t2] 10:23 [ _Ragnar_] [ karasz[Away]] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ sparc-kly] 10:23 [ CIA-12 ] [ misl ] [ mtr ] [ rxr_ ] [ valentin ] 10:23 [ jsaw ] [ mnemoc ] [ owl ] [ SerWou] 10:23 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 10:23 -!- [freenode-info] help freenode weed out clonebots, please register your IRC nick and auto-identify: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup 10:23 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004 10:24 -!- Irssi: Join to #t2 was synced in 11 secs 10:26 -!- rxr [n=rene@e178153132.adsl.alicedsl.de] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:44 -!- You're now known as rxr 12:11 < mnemoc> moin! 12:14 < rxr> moin mnemoc 12:14 < rxr> you are up early ,-) 12:15 < mnemoc> yep :) 12:15 < mnemoc> i have 45 minutes to save the world 12:15 < rxr> ? 12:16 -!- karasz[Away] is now known as karasz 12:16 < mnemoc> change at office' server, and people arrives in 45 minutes 12:16 < karasz> moin all 12:18 < karasz> rxr i read the ML 12:18 < karasz> could i dare to hope that you were specking of openpower? ;) 12:19 < rxr> yep 12:19 < karasz> since it is 2.1 and not trunk i should build a bootdisk target too should'n i? 12:19 < rxr> karasz: built finsihed 12:19 < karasz> :D 12:20 < rxr> if you want to move it to a partition and boot it you do not need the bootdisk 12:20 < karasz> most welcomed bday present :) 12:20 < rxr> I think there are changes needed to get the OpenPower OpenFirmware boot it 12:21 < karasz> i should use the installed yaboot and ad t2 to it right? 12:21 < rxr> yep 12:21 < karasz> thought so 12:21 < karasz> but if i want to install it on a fresh openpower i need the bootdisk right? 12:21 < rxr> yes 12:21 < karasz> ok 12:22 < rxr> but I doubt it will be bootable without modification on the IBM OpenFirmware ... 12:22 < karasz> moving to a fresh partition implies only a copy of the tree? 12:22 < karasz> hmm 12:22 < karasz> what do you mean by modif OpenFirmware? 12:22 < karasz> you mean changing settings? 12:23 < karasz> or it is posible to tickle it other way ? i kinda doubt it since it is similar to BIOS 12:23 < karasz> or did i get it wrong? 12:24 < rxr> nope 12:24 < rxr> adapting our bootdisk yaboot config and CD file layout to make IBM's OpenFirmware recognize it as bootable 12:24 * rxr off to bakery getting breakfast 12:24 < karasz> bon apetit 13:05 < rxr> thanks 13:05 < rxr> oops SPARC disk full 13:05 < rxr> so - finally - Adobe Acrobat for Mac finally arrived 13:06 < rxr> so I'll have to wake the idling Mac a bit more often to debug why it crashes with our scanner driver :-( 13:13 < CIA-12> rene * r13166 /trunk/package/base/procps/dev-null.patch: * fixed procps for certain types of 64bit builds to not unlink /dev/null 13:13 < mnemoc> outch 13:16 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah ... 13:16 < rxr> just gcc -o /dev/null is enough 13:16 < rxr> damn people 13:16 < rxr> mnemoc: only happens on sparc64 so far - I think not powerpc64 - at least I did not saw it on karasz' OpenPower - and maybe mips64 would be affected 13:17 < rxr> (if we would support that already) 13:17 < rxr> if you get outside top-level dir dev/null you can assume someone removed your /dev/null and subsequent writes have created regular files ... ,-) 13:18 < rxr> mnemoc: do you think I'm to mad considering this: 13:18 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5825482935&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 13:18 < rxr> maybe I should better start getting real work done than googling for Octane details and getting more drugged with it every minute ... 13:19 < mnemoc> isn't a bit expensive? 13:19 < rxr> ouhm 13:19 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5823488316&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 13:20 < rxr> this one is mid-price: 13:20 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5824534332&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 13:20 < rxr> though I do not need this CRT ... 13:22 < mnemoc> you don't want yet-another-CRT at home :) 13:22 < rxr> nope 13:22 < rxr> I try hard to get rid of the last two lingering around here ... 13:22 < mnemoc> 2x 195Mhz isn't too bad for a toy machine 13:23 < rxr> toy? 13:23 < rxr> when you get the athon I'm on a need a new desktop workstation ,-) 13:23 < mnemoc> :D 13:24 < rxr> just joking ... 13:24 < rxr> well - yes it is more or less just for the fun of it ... 13:24 < rxr> though I prefer to have some nice "designed for *nix" box on the desk than mainstream pee sea ware ... 13:25 < rxr> thse days too many people have a mac anyway - a sgi looks more interesting on one's desk ,-) 13:25 < mnemoc> :-) 13:28 < rxr> mnemoc: those Octane 2 gfx boards do OpenGL in hardware ...? 13:28 < mnemoc> i think so 13:28 < rxr> not only graphic operations like other pee sea cards - you fill the gl primitives into memory mapped regions ... 13:29 < rxr> oh - the ? was not intentional ... 13:29 < rxr> though there is no X driver yet :-( 13:29 < rxr> hm - 8 minutes to build lzo - damn slow sparc ... 13:34 < mnemoc> we need real cross buildability 13:39 < rxr> so - trunk:HEAD sparc64 build in 5- again ... 13:40 < rxr> now it only takes a week till the 270MHz CPU built it alll 13:40 * mnemoc trying to build ooo 2.0.0.1 :\ 13:44 < rxr> hm 13:44 < rxr> those Adobe freaks seem to forgot to supply a serial with the Cd ... 13:45 < mnemoc> o.o 13:46 < rxr> ok - so debugging once more delayed ... - big companies ... 13:46 < rxr> the problem of the world ... 14:37 < misl> ping rxr 14:38 < rxr> yep 14:39 < misl> rxr: remember the gcc patch you did on noisy and the one I was not supposed to commit? 14:39 < rxr> yes - we commited it and changed it in the meantime 14:39 < rxr> also needed for powerpc64 and such ... 14:39 < rxr> why do you ask ? 14:40 < misl> If I do a fresh svn up on gcc. gcc will not build on x86-64 14:40 < misl> should I include $SDECFG_MULTILIB 14:40 < misl> in the config somewhere? 14:41 < rxr> isn't it set by default ? 14:41 < rxr> trunk or 2.1 ? 14:41 < misl> trunk 14:42 < mnemoc> .oO 14:42 < misl> Hmm, yes it is on by default. 14:42 < rxr> /bin/sh ../../gcc/../move-if-change tmp-attrtab.c insn-attrtab.c 14:42 < rxr> cmp: tmp-attrtab.c: No such file or directory 14:42 < rxr> mv: cannot stat `tmp-attrtab.c': No such file or directory 14:42 < rxr> /mnt/space/t2/trunk# less src.gcc.minimal-x86-64.20051105.141908.16188.noisy/ERROR-LOG 14:42 < rxr> ? 14:42 < rxr> or another error ? 14:43 < rxr> (might be parallel) 14:43 < misl> Uhmm, I did not look at the specific error, I thought it was due to me not having applied that patch (before I knew it was no longer needed). 14:43 < rxr> misl: I'm right now working on an even more simplified boostrap without header extraction in 0-gcc 14:44 < misl> Ohh, and that means? 14:44 < rxr> if you let me finish that I would retest all crossbuilds on noisy then 14:44 < misl> ack 14:44 < rxr> and also fix this libgcc_s* hack code we have and fix the GCC mkgcclibs.sh or what it was itself ... 14:44 < misl> btw, noisy will be on for a full week starting tomorrow :) 14:45 < rxr> misl: nice ,-) 14:45 < rxr> maybe I have a first mips64 build today and can flush this toolchain boostrap changes today 14:46 < misl> great :) 14:46 < rxr> but I can not promissie - because mips has no NPTL code (or better _thread support) in the gcc version we work with (4.0.x - it is only in 4.1.x) and thus I have to fight glibc to build without NPTL ... 14:46 < misl> mips64? new arch? 14:46 < rxr> misl: ack 14:46 < rxr> I think about buying one ,-) 14:46 < rxr> http://www.sgi.com/products/remarketed/octane2/ 14:47 < misl> rxr: the SGI one I saw previously? 14:47 < rxr> http://www.sgi.com/products/remarketed/octane/ 14:47 < rxr> yeap 14:47 < rxr> somehow I like those pre mainstream, formerly high-end 3D workstations ,-) 14:47 < misl> I wonder how much noise they make :) 14:48 < misl> A while ago I got offer for these machines, second had of course. 14:48 < misl> had = hand 14:49 < rxr> yep - I look for 2nd hand ones on ebay ... 14:49 < rxr> I googled a bit - they are not noiseless - but I think they will not be too loud 14:49 < rxr> noisy .. 14:49 < rxr> if so I can tweak the fans according to my needs ... ,-9 14:50 * mnemoc imagines a lab plenty of noisy high-end 3D workstations 14:50 < rxr> I only will have one ,-) 14:50 < rxr> a lob full of noisys x86-64 monsters is also nice to imagine ,-) 14:51 < misl> Yeah the pictures are nice, but the noise not :) 14:51 < misl> rxr: I can send out a mail, requesting I they still have these machines on offer? 14:51 < mnemoc> a farm of noisy x86-64 monsters would be on a cooler, not on a lab ;) 14:52 < rxr> misl: do you think they are cheaper than ebay offers ? 14:53 < misl> rxr: I do not remember :( 14:53 < misl> But I guess not as cheap as the 89 euro one :) 14:53 < rxr> package/base/non-nptl-ugly.patch# 14:53 < misl> or was it 98 ? 14:54 < rxr> yes one is that cheap - but slow 14:54 < misl> I will send out a mail and let you know. 14:54 < rxr> the dual 400 MHz with 2GB or RAM is nice ,-) 14:54 < rxr> misl: ok - thanks ,-) 14:54 < mnemoc> 89 was 2x195 14:54 < rxr> the patch above is ugly - /me wonders why the glibc maintainers do such a bad job keeping their crap code building ... 14:55 < rxr> mnemoc: ack 14:55 < rxr> mnemoc: in fact I consider buying that just for testing and if it turns out to be a nice box get a dual Octane 2 later on - in month++ when T2 works perfectly and the hardware is as nice as I enwish it ,-) 14:56 < rxr> I guess I can get rid of it for that price thru ebay again in any case ... 14:56 < rxr> the only annoying thing on those boxes is the 13W3 monitor connector ... and I just have order such a adapter for my Ultra30 to obsolete the Sun CRT ... 14:56 < rxr> guess I have to seek for a 2nd of such 13W3 <-> VGA adapters ... 14:57 < rxr> too bad they are a bit rare and expensive when not obtained thru ebay .... 14:58 < rxr> so - let's see if glibc for mips64 does not built :-( 14:58 < rxr> I mark the day with big crosses when I can build anything without the glibc code junk ... 14:59 < mnemoc> rxr: :) 14:59 < rxr> at least it is, once successfully built, better than other commercial C libraries ...., but the "once built" is still a problem - no matter what day you choose ... 14:59 < rxr> s/not/now/ 15:03 < misl> make[2]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... 15:03 < misl> does this refer to parallel built problems? 15:04 < mnemoc> not necesarily 15:04 < misl> I almost dare not to say it, but this is when building glibc on noisy (x86) 15:05 < mnemoc> misl: look for the last error 15:05 < mnemoc> misl: i go to the bottom and search 'error' backward :) 15:06 < misl> mnemoc: make[1]: *** [nptl/subdir_lib] Error 2 15:06 < mnemoc> previous lines? 15:07 < misl> the previous error is misc/error.o in some echo line 15:08 < misl> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/mnt/space/t2/trunk/src.glibc.minimal-x86.2 15:08 < misl> 0051105.143515.8332.noisy/glibc-20050919/objdir/nptl/pthread_spin_trylock.o', ne 15:08 < misl> eded by `lib-noranlib'. Stop. 15:08 < misl> Right befor the unfinished jobs 15:11 < mnemoc> yes, looks like a paralelism/bad_Makefile issue 15:12 < rxr> mnemoc: I take a look 15:13 < mnemoc> thanks :) 15:14 < rxr> slashdot storry submitted 15:14 < rxr> let's see if they pick it up 15:14 < rxr> guess that will kill our websever if they do so ... 15:14 < rxr> the web server that is on a SDSL line ... 15:15 * mnemoc depressed to not see T2 on distrowatch 1 month ranking 15:16 < rxr> mnemoc: this is just because we had no release in that time 15:16 < rxr> if we had we usual have been around #50 15:16 < rxr> with a steady release series in 2.1 and 2.2 we will be around that rank in any timeframe there 15:17 < rxr> look at the lon time trends - we are in regions there where rock never has been 15:17 < mnemoc> ROCK is on last month 15:18 < mnemoc> and fake released a new livecd on freshmeat today 15:18 < rxr> the rock live cd sucks majorly 15:18 < rxr> does noone notice that 15:19 * rxr continuing on the livecd that should have been out days ago 15:19 < rxr> so we have it monday or so ,,-) 15:20 < mnemoc> :) 15:20 < mnemoc> did ppc iso finish uploading? where? 15:20 < rxr> nope 15:20 < rxr> -P did not do partial handling gracefully when I continued the sync from the rs6k when I had to bood the mac mini into OS suX ... 15:21 < rxr> mnemoc: what was the issue with -P to not work good? 15:21 < rxr> you had this once as well ? 15:21 < rxr> maybe we should define a minimal live-cd set and work on to get it running on any arch we support 15:21 < rxr> and throw an montly autobuild for reach to the masses ... 15:22 < mnemoc> rxr: yes, i do explicit --partial and even --inplace for ISOs 15:23 < mnemoc> rxr: lot of G to upload to tfh-berlin :) 15:24 < rxr> rsync 15:24 < rxr> squashfs is zlib alike compression I think 15:24 < rxr> so far live-cd's rsynced quite well 15:25 < rxr> hm - I have no qemu for live tests on my box :-( 15:25 < rxr> due to not building with gcc-4.0 and/or NPTL :-(((( 15:25 < rxr> one of the better packages failing ... 15:25 < rxr> (in trunk) 15:25 < rxr> btw. I think we are down to about 100 errors on trunk 15:29 < misl> O-Oh, rxr are you looking at glibc on noisy? 15:30 < rxr> yes - have you done something ? 15:30 < misl> I added NOPARALLEL to glibc.conf to give it a try. might interfere 15:30 < rxr> yes - it looked like that 15:30 < rxr> like interference ... 15:31 < misl> I will remove it 15:31 < mnemoc> NOPARALLEL on big packages is harmfull :( 15:31 < misl> why? 15:32 < mnemoc> you loose lot of CPU cicles 15:32 < rxr> because it wasts our time waiting to the build finishing on monster boxes ... 15:32 < rxr> like yours or karasz OpenPower ... 15:32 < mnemoc> NOPARALLEL is a hack, the real fix is to patch Makefiles 15:33 < rxr> as I have done for e.g. gdb yesterday 15:33 < misl> Ahh, I will keep that in mind :) 15:33 < rxr> though I "fixed" glibc by building one subdir with -j1 because the Makefile in that subdir was too violent to fix ... 15:33 < mnemoc> :) 15:33 < rxr> I first fine grained patched that beast of a Makefile - but gave up ... one subdir with -j1 is ok ... 15:35 * mnemoc wonders why rene replied the announcement on HTML 15:36 < rxr> mnemoc: ? 15:36 < rxr> html mail 15:36 < rxr> sorry - must get kamil not to do that 15:37 < mnemoc> no problem ;) 15:37 < rxr> must have hit some formating button or so that kmail made it html :-((( 15:57 < rxr> mnemoc: I want to optimzed live-style image creation 15:57 < rxr> currently I rm -rf the previous prepared rootfs because rsync is too stupid 15:58 < rxr> I wanted to rsync the to be packed files over the last build output - however since the target/*/rootfs mechanism might inject and patch files those added files need to be removed 15:58 < rxr> however rsync --delete and --delete-excluded does not work with --files-from where I hand it the list of files to be copied form the build output 15:59 < rxr> my plan is now to use some shell glue to create a negative list using find and diff (...) 15:59 < rxr> in --exclude-from rsync does delete files ... 15:59 < rxr> do you have an better idea? 15:59 < rxr> I think that should speed up subsequent live creation by about 50% 16:01 * mnemoc clue-less 16:02 < rxr> ok - I propose a working diff - maybe you can follow that more than my babbling here ... ,.-) 16:02 < rxr> working diff takes some more minutes to be finished 16:04 < mnemoc> ... 16:07 < rxr> yep? 16:08 < rxr> ... like good idea or like "babbling indeed" ? ;-) 16:08 < mnemoc> in the middle :p 16:08 < rxr> .oO 16:08 < rxr> ic 16:08 * rxr hides 16:09 < mnemoc> :) 16:10 < mnemoc> but closer to 'good idea' ;) 16:11 < mnemoc> anyway my goal is to have 'livecd'-ability as a feature of the kit, not a target 16:12 < rxr> mnemoc: ack 16:13 < rxr> my plan is to have this live-cd and install-cd as features that can be applied as build output 16:13 < rxr> that is why I always said 2.2 will not have a bootdisk target 16:13 < mnemoc> :D 16:13 < rxr> and the boot code will be properly moved to architecture/*/boot 16:13 < mnemoc> i love t2 16:14 < mnemoc> tm 16:14 < rxr> this Nestly Xpress(r) iceed espresso crap with vanilla tasts like crap ... 16:14 * rxr notes never to buy it again ... - bah - 16:14 * mnemoc is out of coffee :( 16:17 < rxr> well - I have more filter coffe - just wanted to try this iced thing(tm) 16:18 < rxr> so - the next testrun of the new rsync preprocessor code ... 16:20 < rxr> http://www.drobe.co.uk/riscos/artifact1298.html 16:20 < rxr> ^- seldome read such inaccurate crap ... 16:20 < rxr> "Another headache is that when building GCC itself, the compiler assumes it's being compiled on the operating system and computer architecture that it will produce software for - for example, by building intermediary programs and then executing them as part of the build process." 16:21 < rxr> as if he would be the first cross compiling ... 16:21 < rxr> of course this always worked (tm) 16:21 < rxr> damn RISC OS people .... 16:23 < mnemoc> *G* 16:24 < rxr> == 11/05/05 16:19:19 =[1]=> Finished building package glibc. 16:24 < rxr> ^- mips64 16:24 < rxr> no idea if the result will actually work ... 16:24 < mnemoc> at least it builds 16:25 < rxr> it is a bit ugly.patch'ed to build without NPTL - somehow glibc-CVS is f*cked up for non-NPTL builds ... 16:25 < rxr> stuff needed for NPTL for MIPS is only in GCC SVN named 4.1 ... 16:25 < rxr> oh - gcc converted to SVN btw ... ,-) 16:26 < rxr> oh - dietlibc has no mips64 support ... :-/// 16:27 < misl> rxr: is that because they did not try or because it will not work? 16:27 < rxr> noone cared and wrote the code (tm) 16:27 < rxr> dietlibc also has no sh support yet 16:27 < rxr> mips support is there however 16:30 < mnemoc> :) 16:34 < rxr> see big paste in query 16:34 < rxr> not yet fully tested but should explain the idea 16:45 < mnemoc> looks very nice :) 16:51 * rxr shortly off 17:07 < morfoh> hi 17:09 < mnemoc> wb morfoh 17:21 < morfoh> hey mnemoc :) 17:55 < mnemoc> http://www.jankratochvil.net/project/captive/ 17:56 < morfoh> mnemoc: ^ didn't I showed you the captive thingy before ? 17:57 < morfoh> it's part of http://www.insert.cd <-- rescue CD 17:57 < mnemoc> .cd :D 17:57 < morfoh> mnemoc: yeah :D 17:58 < mnemoc> is insert.cd as good as it seems to be? 17:58 < morfoh> mnemoc: it's quite nice 17:58 < mnemoc> but? 17:59 < morfoh> I haven't tried the captive thingy yet :p 17:59 < mnemoc> :) 17:59 < mnemoc> OT2: any news about linguaplone site? 18:00 < morfoh> and it has the well know system startup speed from debian/knoppix 18:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: which one do you mean ? :| 18:00 < morfoh> mnemoc: T2 ? 18:00 < mnemoc> morfoh: any :p 18:01 < morfoh> mnemoc: ah! of course ... why did I asked :p 18:03 < mnemoc> :) 18:04 < rxr> re 18:05 < mnemoc> wb rxr 18:05 < morfoh> wb rxr 18:07 < rxr> knoppix itself has this ntfs thing 18:07 < mnemoc> oh, postinstall.d/scrollkeeper wants to connect to internet! 18:07 < rxr> is it legal to ditribute the ntfs.sys or what it is named? 18:08 < rxr> I would prefer to give the ntfs inside the linux kernel some more time and use that instead ... 18:08 < rxr> mnemoc: fix it ... 18:08 < morfoh> rxr: afaik not .... you have to copy it 18:08 < mnemoc> i think you can assume if person has NTFS partition he has a windows license, so the right to use ntfs.sys 18:08 < rxr> but having it on the cd is another thing ... 18:09 < rxr> well - you could mount using the linux driver and extract the ntfs.sys ,-) 18:09 < rxr> and use that to rw mount ,-) 18:09 < rxr> however I do not like those windows binary removal ... 18:09 < morfoh> ;) 18:09 < rxr> see MS fix for some ntfs.sys can destroy your FS under high load patch these days ... 18:09 < mnemoc> oh 18:10 < rxr> saw that scrolling by somewhere, like http://www.heise de or http://www.golem.de 18:12 < rxr> soon TFT backlights with LEDs?: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/65794 18:13 < rxr> ntfs thing: http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/65782 18:13 < rxr> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;909360 18:13 < rxr> Potential file corruption problem on NTFS volumes during extensive stress tests in Windows Server 2003 Service Pack 1 18:13 < rxr> I guess there will be a day where the Linux NTFS r/w reimplementation is more stable the the original ... 18:14 < rxr> rsyncing a whole live content still takes a lot of time :-( 18:14 < morfoh> rxr: but then redmond will add a new "feature" 18:15 < rxr> and become even more instable ,-) 18:16 < rxr> lighttpd 1.4.7 18:17 < rxr> ROCK Live: X.org is now used instead of XFree86. 18:17 < rxr> wow - so we hare how many months ahead - not to mention the "next days" live cd with modualr X.org ... ,-) 18:17 < mnemoc> :D 18:18 < mnemoc> btw, please don't version livecd '2.2.0-gamma' or so.... i think 2.2-r14069 is more correct and less confusing 18:18 < morfoh> brb 18:20 < rxr> mnemoc: nope - because I dislike -r based releases 18:21 < rxr> this indicates the people have no release management and no idea what state the software is in 18:21 < rxr> t2 head looks good - I think it is reasonable to version the live with -beta or whatsover 18:21 < rxr> after installer changes and more testing trunk is ready to be delivered (well - more or less= 18:21 < rxr> ) 18:22 < mnemoc> if you branch and tag 2.2 great, but please don't give livecd stability level to the whole tree 18:23 < mnemoc> t2@live as a t2-powered distribution with it's own versioning would be even better 18:23 < rxr> whatever 18:23 < rxr> I'll think about it 18:23 < rxr> ldap:x:389:389:ldap user:/var/empty:/bin/false 18:23 < rxr> ^-who added this user ??? 18:23 < mnemoc> i think i did 18:24 < rxr> I think over 100 and such a odd number is evil^3 18:24 < mnemoc> it's the standard 18:24 < mnemoc> port number :\ 18:25 < mnemoc> i'm missing rsbac's "secoff" uid=400 which is hardcoded on kernel 18:25 < mnemoc> New Revision: 13152 18:25 < mnemoc> Log: * updated lighttpd (1.4.6 -> 1.4.7) 18:26 < rxr> mnemoc: we are faster than freshmeat 18:26 < rxr> maybe we should create an update RSS feed and propagate http://www.t2-project.org/packages as better freashmeat ? 18:27 < mnemoc> :D 18:27 < rxr> mnemoc: I think this rsync works out 18:27 * rxr running a full test now ... 18:27 < mnemoc> better performance? 18:28 < rxr> well - the rsync runs some time - but of course it has way better performance than rm -rf ; tar ... 18:29 < mnemoc> i think much of the time is processing the big inclusion list 18:29 < mnemoc> which could be improved by filtering the list to just include dirs if nothing to exclude on them 18:31 < rxr> nope - it is only a tiny exclude list 18:31 < rxr> 3073 files-exclude 18:31 < rxr> adn the no is only that huge due to a lot to be skipped /var/adm files ... ,-) 18:31 < sparc-kly> how much take compile 2.6 kernel in Ibook G3 500mhz 18:32 < sparc-kly> ? 18:32 < mnemoc> less than 2h i think :) 18:33 < sparc-kly> 2hrs :S ohh shit. my UltraSparc 360mhz take 1hr 45min 18:34 < mnemoc> i said _less than_ :) 18:35 < rxr> sparc-kly: T2 kernels include all possible drivers as modules - thus they build that long ... 18:36 < mnemoc> http://t2.geeks.cl/regressions/stable/ 18:38 < rxr> mnemoc: how many are regressions ? 18:39 < mnemoc> mysqlcc 18:39 < mnemoc> don't know why 18:41 < mnemoc> are serial mice part of /dev/misc/mice ? 18:43 < rxr> well - sort of 18:43 < rxr> only if you inputattach them ... 18:43 < rxr> look at serpnp and the init script 18:43 < rxr> (if I commited it) 18:46 < rxr> mnemoc: there is a regression on trunk's Build-Target 18:46 < rxr> I think maybe your target inheritance broke it 18:46 < rxr> at the end of Build-Target all sorts of old log files are tail'ed ... 18:46 < rxr> build_target.log: 18:46 < rxr> build_target_10254.log: 18:46 < rxr> build_target_10508.log: 18:46 < rxr> build_target_11127.log: 18:46 < rxr> build_target_11271.log: 18:46 < rxr> build_target_1167.log: 18:46 < rxr> build_target_11704.log: 18:46 < rxr> ... 18:46 < rxr> ... 18:46 < rxr> and about 30 more 18:46 < rxr> does this sound familiar or do I have to track that ? 18:51 < mnemoc> i use target-inherence extensivly on 2.1 without any trouble 18:52 < rxr> hm - ok - I analyze where those annoying noise comes from then 18:52 < mnemoc> and never seen that behaviour 18:52 < rxr> guess I also shold awake the subnotebook - there are also some fixes to flush ... 18:54 < rxr> well - cool - livecd get's squash'ed now, again 18:54 < rxr> highly optmized fresh code 18:56 < rxr> hey - yeah! 18:56 < rxr> jadda jadda 18:56 < rxr> we are on http://www.osnews.com ,-)!!!! 18:56 < mnemoc> kudos! 18:56 < mnemoc> :) 18:57 < rxr> what a day where osneews accepts such news faster than http://symlink.ch 18:57 < rxr> maybe I should resubmit there with a note that T2 is now comercially supplied in .ch ... with enterprise grade document management systems ... 18:57 < rxr> maybe that passes easier thru then ,-) 18:58 < mnemoc> :) 19:07 < rxr> http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=12547 19:08 < mnemoc> The future aganda? 19:09 < rxr> spell checking they do not seem to do ... 19:09 < rxr> I noticed the typo already when I submitted a longer story @ slashdot ... :-( 19:10 < rxr> Google Paying for Firefox Installs 19:10 < rxr> http://slashdot.org/articles/05/11/05/1436226.shtml?tid=217&tid=154&tid=98 19:10 < mnemoc> *CLICK* 19:12 < mnemoc> would they pay for preinstalling goggle bar? :) 19:15 < rxr> mail them ... ,-) 19:16 < mnemoc> what about 'adsense' at t2-project.org? 19:26 < owl> moin 19:28 < mnemoc> moin owl 19:28 < mnemoc> is it to dirty to add a *blind* patch? +@@ -54,0 +54,5 @@ :p 19:29 -!- maddin [n=martin@p54BDC8A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 19:29 < owl> hi mnemoc 19:29 < mnemoc> hi maddin 19:29 < maddin> hi owl and mnemoc :) 19:30 < owl> hi maddin 19:30 < maddin> rxr: are you back? 19:30 < rxr> yes 19:30 < rxr> eatingf 19:32 < mnemoc> rxr: are you serious about " mail them ... ,-)"? 19:33 < maddin> oh yes, I need something to eat, too 19:33 < rxr> mnemoc: of course 19:34 < rxr> Filesystem size 662830.91 Kbytes (647.30 Mbytes) 36.94% of uncompressed filesystem size (1794198.46 Kbytes) 19:34 < rxr> if I would have qemu, I could test it ... 19:34 * mnemoc testing his @t2-p.o mail 19:35 < mnemoc> yes, forward is working 19:35 * mnemoc writing... something 19:36 < mnemoc> Dear Google? .oO 19:36 < rxr> Dear Madam, dear Sirs, 19:36 < rxr> or what it was 19:37 < rxr> Dear Sir or Madam, 19:37 < rxr> ^- that is officital for company letters in en 19:38 < rxr> -> Done! 19:38 < rxr> build_target.log: 19:38 < rxr> build_target_10254.log: 19:38 < rxr> build_target_10508.log: 19:38 < rxr> build_target_11127.log: 19:38 < rxr> build_target_11271.log: 19:38 < rxr> build_target_1167.log: 19:38 < rxr> ... 19:38 < rxr> .. 19:38 < rxr> .. 19:38 < rxr> . 19:38 < rxr> . 19:38 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - now I'm back a bit more 19:38 < rxr> maddin: even 19:39 < rxr> mad: ok - now I'm back a bit more 19:39 < rxr> maddin: ok - now I'm back a bit more 19:39 < rxr> ... 19:39 < mnemoc> .oO( flood mode? )o 19:40 < rxr> no - correctmode ... 19:40 < rxr> I could 50 of build_target_*.log lines - that would be flood 19:41 < mnemoc> anyone else is getting those lines? 19:42 < rxr> mnemoc: some more minutes and I'll have track them down 19:42 < rxr> don't worry ... 19:42 < rxr> just continue hacking what you have been hacking on right now 19:43 < rxr> btw. the next Summer of code @google we shoudl partiticipate and get a fuew 5000US$ for T2 work as even the BSDs did ... 19:45 < mnemoc> :D 19:49 < rxr> - if [ -z "$( cd ${build_logs}; fuser *.log )" ]; then 19:49 < rxr> + if [ -z "$( cd ${build_logs}; fuser *.log 2> /dev/null)" ]; then 19:49 < rxr> + echo "Unmounting loop mounts ..." 19:49 < mnemoc> it was you! 19:50 < valentin> re 19:51 < mnemoc> wb valentin 19:53 < mnemoc> rxr: query 19:54 < rxr> mnemoc: nope - I do not think it was me 19:54 < rxr> hi valentin 19:55 < rxr> maybe this is a fuser bug 19:55 < rxr> I updated psmisc or so today 19:56 < mnemoc> default verbosity? 19:56 < rxr> fuser sdf && echo used 19:56 < rxr> Cannot stat sdf: No such file or directory 19:56 < rxr> sdf: 19:56 < rxr> used 19:56 < rxr> this looks like a bug 19:56 < rxr> it should return non-zero if there was an issue or no file was used 19:56 < rxr> also it should only list used files 19:57 < rxr> can someone patch qemu to build with gcc-4.0 and NPTL for me ? 19:57 < rxr> while I fix psmisc's fuser ... 19:59 < rxr> bingo 20:00 < rxr> old psmisc: 20:00 < rxr> fuser sdf && echo used 20:00 < rxr> sdf: No such file or directory 20:00 < rxr> did I mention that I could slap anyone without regressions tests? 20:00 * rxr slaps himself .-( 20:01 < owl> *g* 20:01 < mnemoc> *G* 20:01 < rxr> ouhm 20:01 < rxr> what the f*ck: 20:01 < rxr> psmisc-21.7/src/fuser.c | 2162 ++++++++++++++++++---------------------- 20:01 < rxr> psmisc-21.7/src/fuser.h |only 20:01 < rxr> psmisc-21.7/src/oldfuser.c |only 20:01 < rxr> wonderful 20:01 < rxr> complete rewrite or what ... 20:01 * rxr grummels 20:02 < mnemoc> reindentation :p 20:04 < valentin> rxr: do you have a link to that octane thing you bid for ? 20:04 < rxr> i have not bid yet 20:04 < rxr> valentin: can you do me a favour and fix qemu in trunk HEAD? 20:04 < rxr> best on my athlon ... 20:04 < rxr> that would rock ,-) 20:05 < valentin> i take a short look 20:06 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5823488316&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT 20:06 < rxr> valentin: short might not be enough 20:06 < rxr> gcc is claiming to have enough registers IIRC 20:06 < rxr> registers to allocate and schedule ... 20:06 < rxr> I considered the above - but missing parts frithened me 20:06 < rxr> I write them that I would buy it around that price I think if no main part is missing 20:07 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5823765114&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 20:07 < rxr> ^- or that one .. 20:07 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5825482935&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 20:07 < rxr> ^- that one is of course cooler but EUR++ 20:09 < mnemoc> EUR^EUR 20:09 < rxr> it is worth 5000EUR and once cost 30000 EUR or so ... 20:10 < rxr> well - ok maybe 20.000 only ... 20:10 < rxr> a dual 600MHz CPU module is still worth 3.000 US$ on ebay ... 20:11 -!- Baldzius [n=mx@85.206.125.234] has joined #t2 20:12 < Baldzius> moin :) 20:12 < valentin> which one is worth E$5000? 20:13 < valentin> hi Baldzius 20:14 < rxr> valentin: when you look at sgi or other resellers of used machines they have this price still, today 20:14 < valentin> so buy it for $800 and resell 20:17 < Baldzius> hi valentin rxr 20:19 < rxr> fuser is totally broken ... 20:19 < rxr> the output and exit code handing in the new version 20:20 < rxr> valentin: what do you say to those boxes ? 20:21 < rxr> http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBa 20:21 < rxr> oope 20:21 < rxr> http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/IP30 20:24 < mnemoc> there is any 'how to make gnome work' guide? :) 20:25 < rxr> nope 20:25 < rxr> maybe by fixing t2 packaging ... 20:25 < mnemoc> that is a good option 20:26 < rxr> wow - they have a 21.8 psmisc that does return the correct exit code - but still list all files even if not used 20:26 < rxr> can noone work concentrated and accurate these days anymore ... 20:26 < rxr> and this qemu w/ gcc-4.0 thing is also known since half a year and unfixed ... 20:26 < rxr> my oh my ... 20:28 < valentin> rxr: what was haudraufinix ip suffix again ? 20:28 < rxr> oh my ... 20:28 < rxr> .45 20:29 < rxr> sorry - I need to fix obelix to not overwrite the resolve.conf 20:29 < rxr> -e 20:30 < valentin> and where was the tree again ? 20:35 < rxr> /mnt/space/src/t2-trunk 20:35 < valentin> ah 20:37 < valentin> there is no src.quemu yet. which cfg to use ? 20:38 < valentin> back in a minute 20:39 < rxr> non, default as usual ,-) 20:39 < rxr> I can start the build for you 20:49 < rxr> == 11/05/05 20:39:57 =[9]=> Aborted building package qemu. 20:53 < rxr> fuser.c | 32 +++++++++++++++++--------------- 20:53 < rxr> diff to the already partially fixed 21.8 ... 20:54 < mnemoc> 32?? was this verbosity intentional? 20:54 < rxr> ouhm 20:55 < rxr> nope 20:55 < rxr> THEY EVEN BROKE ARUGMENT PARSING !!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:55 < rxr> AAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH 20:55 < rxr> we should fork of T2 from the linux world as the BSD people did among eachother 20:55 < rxr> all the broken upstream stuff - my oh my ... 20:55 < rxr> * Based on fuser.c Copyright (C) 1993-2005 Werner Almesberger and Craig Small 20:56 < rxr> working on it over 10 years and still get a new minor version as broken as this ... 20:56 < mnemoc> o.o 21:05 < rxr> ok - arguemnt parsing fixed AFAICS 21:05 < mnemoc> there is any way to play with xorg resolution on 'realtime'? (trial&error without restarting X each time?) 21:06 < rxr> fuser.c | 43 +++++++++++++++++++++++-------------------- 21:06 < rxr> 1 file changed, 23 insertions(+), 20 deletions(-) 21:06 < rxr> xrandr ? 21:06 < rxr> what do you mean with play 21:06 < rxr> ? 21:09 < mnemoc> try resolutions and refresh not (yet) set on xorg.conf 21:10 < mnemoc> to discover what setting this crappy monitor has 21:11 < mnemoc> i'm sure it supports at least 800x600, but this 640x480 21:14 < rxr> uh oh 21:15 < mnemoc> well... on xorg.conf i do have 1024,800 and 600 x $multiple, but xrandr shows only 640x480 and 320x.. 21:16 < rxr> patch send upstream 21:16 < rxr> damn guy 21:17 < mnemoc> me? 21:17 < rxr> nope 21:17 < rxr> this fuser rewrite ueber guru ... 21:17 * rxr could slap hime ... 21:17 < rxr> -e 21:17 < rxr> mnemoc: hm 21:17 < CIA-12> rene * r13167 /trunk/package/base/psmisc/ (fixes.patch psmisc.desc): * updated psmisc (21.7 -> 21.8) and added important fixes 21:17 < rxr> maybe the monitor has DDC and tells your card it only sustains that modes ... 21:18 < mnemoc> it doesn't 21:20 < rxr> maybe vga driver ? 21:21 < rxr> that can only do 320x240 and 640x480@4 ? 21:21 -!- Baldzius [n=mx@85.206.125.234] has quit ["Leaving"] 21:23 < mnemoc> ati driver 21:24 < rxr> mnemoc: ok - no clue then 21:24 < rxr> maybe you look at the wrong bitdepth section ? 21:25 < CIA-12> rene * r13168 /trunk/scripts/Build-Target: 21:25 < CIA-12> * adapted Build-Target to latest fuser that does default to print 21:25 < CIA-12> to stderr, though that is likely to be corrected in a future 21:25 < CIA-12> version (or change randomly on authors goodwill) throw the output 21:25 < CIA-12> to /dev/null and use the exit status - let's hope that is not 21:25 < CIA-12> broken too often randomly upstream :-( 21:26 < rxr> we are at 10x traffic then usual now 21:30 < rxr> oh - server outgoing stream is saturated ... 21:30 < rxr> Avg: 575.88 kBit/s 21:30 < rxr> we have 512 ... 21:30 < rxr> Avg: 588.82 kBit/s 21:31 < mnemoc> fetching what? 21:32 < rxr> ok - no more endless logs listed on Build-Target's end 21:32 * rxr happy 21:33 < misl> rxr: his one looks cool on your desk too. :) 21:33 < misl> http://www.sgi.com/products/visualization/prism/ 21:34 < mnemoc> definitively 21:34 < rxr> Price: starting under US$8,500 21:35 < misl> But I am afraid it is still expensive if you get the developr discount :( 21:35 < misl> http://www.sgi.com/developers/business/dev_discount.pdf 21:35 < rxr> World's First Interactive Linux(R) Visualization System 21:36 < misl> sound like buzz to me 21:36 < rxr> they have Intel(R) Itanium(R) - nothing I would pay for 21:36 < rxr> let me rather try to get Intel donate some 21:37 < rxr> if they do not push them they will not be able to sell them in some years anymore .. 21:37 < rxr> or better even less 21:39 -!- Baldzius [n=mx@85.206.125.234] has joined #t2 21:39 < misl> hehe, maybe you can just order the case for the looks and put something different inside 21:39 < misl> only few people will notice :) 21:40 < rxr> mnemoc: there is mostly apache access scrolling by ... 21:40 < mnemoc> why mfgs don't stamp refresh rates on their damn monitors! 21:40 < mnemoc> rxr: www.t2p.o? 21:40 < rxr> mostly 21:40 < rxr> or t2-handook on dl.exactcode.de 21:41 < CIA-12> rene * r13169 /trunk/target/livecd/rootfs/ (etc/passwd etc/shadow home/live.perm): 21:41 < CIA-12> * adapted livecd/rootfs/etc/* for user changes (openldap) 21:41 < CIA-12> * fixed home/live permission setting (was archivsta from cut'n paste) 21:41 < rxr> which reminds me - we need to do handbook work 21:41 -!- Baldzius [n=mx@85.206.125.234] has quit [Client Quit] 21:42 [Users #t2] 21:42 [ _Ragnar_] [ karasz] [ mnemoc] [ owl ] [ sparc-kly] 21:42 [ CIA-12 ] [ maddin] [ morfoh] [ rxr ] [ valentin ] 21:42 [ jsaw ] [ misl ] [ mtr ] [ SerWou] 21:42 -!- Irssi: #t2: Total of 14 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 14 normal] 21:42 < rxr> a lot of Debian branded Firefoxes in the log ... 21:43 < CIA-12> rene * r13170 /trunk/target/livecd/build_image.sh: 21:43 < CIA-12> * speed up livecd image creation by using rsync (with some needed 21:43 < CIA-12> preprocessing) now as well as beeing able to reuse the files from 21:43 < CIA-12> the previous image creation run 21:44 < valentin> rxr: nothing about register counts here: dyngen: ret or jmp expected at the end of op_bsfw_T0_cc 21:45 < rxr> hm 21:45 < rxr> do you track that or should i? 21:46 < misl> rxr: do you know what powerpc 970 is? 21:47 < valentin> rxr: i could append a 'ret' - that would at least compile-fix it. but i fear modifying assembly code i do not fully understand 21:48 < rxr> misl: 64bit Powerpc 21:48 < rxr> as used in Apple Powermac G5, Apple XServer and IBM OpenPower maybe 21:48 < misl> just plain ppc64? 21:48 < rxr> just ? 21:48 < rxr> yes - quite nice 21:48 < misl> I was looking at 21:48 < misl> http://www.alphaworks.ibm.com/tech/systemsim970?open&S_TACT=105AGX16&S_CMP=DWPA 21:49 < misl> Wondered if it was something for noisy :) 21:49 < CIA-12> amery * r13171 /trunk/package/office/ooo/ (hotfix_libwpd.patch hotfix_tarbz2.patch): * fixed ooo to build libwpd 21:50 < rxr> when built with -O0 it compiles ... 21:53 < valentin> which one ? 21:53 < rxr> os.op 21:53 < rxr> op.o even 21:54 < valentin> do not understand that thing anyway 21:54 < valentin> the file seems to be generated 21:54 < rxr> I think out of op.o s.th. is generated .. 21:55 < valentin> this way 21:58 < rxr> ok - I hack it in a ugly way 22:00 < CIA-12> amery * r13172 /trunk/package/office/ooo/t2-distro.patch: * changed ooo to apply unpack_libwpd.diff during build 22:02 < rxr> poor mnemoc - does all the ooo hackery again ... :-((( 22:02 < mnemoc> someone has to 22:02 < rxr> # this is very ugly, but gcc 3 and 4 is very fragile for the qemu assemler code 22:02 < rxr> # and some generator in qemu relies on some return placements 22:02 < rxr> var_remove_regex GCC_WRAPPER_REMOVE " " "-O.*" 22:02 < rxr> var_remove_regex GCC_WRAPPER_INSERT " " "-O.*" 22:02 < rxr> # don't do this at-home - and please fix qemu to build with a reasonable 22:02 < rxr> # optmizing C compiler ... 22:02 < rxr> var_append GCC_WRAPPER_APPEND " " "*op.c?-O0" 22:02 < rxr> per file optimization settings ... :-(( 22:03 < rxr> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-t2-linux-gnu/4.0.2/../../../../i586-t2-linux-gnu/bin/ld: errno: TLS definition in /lib/libc.so.6 section .tbss mismatches non-TLS reference in libqemu.a(helper2.o) 22:03 < rxr> /lib/libc.so.6: could not read symbols: Bad value 22:03 < mnemoc> conditional wrapper is great :) 22:03 < rxr> ^- ouhm 22:08 < valentin> *yawn* 22:08 < valentin> feel so tired today 22:08 < owl> must be the northern weather ;) 22:08 < valentin> weather was quite ok in berlin this day 22:09 < valentin> a bit rainy sometimes and a very nice fall day overall 22:09 < owl> hmmm. just because i know someone else from berlin who is tired like hell ;) 22:09 < owl> pffff. :( rain. fog. rain. and more rain. grey. *pukes* :( 22:10 < valentin> who is it ? 22:10 < owl> valentin: dunno if allowed to tell you. sorry ;) 22:10 < valentin> k. 22:14 -!- morfoh_ [n=jeru@p54BECDEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #t2 22:14 < mnemoc> rxr: "Load ddc" on top of xorg.conf (from example) made it ignore my settings 22:15 < rxr> ic 22:15 < rxr> let's see if just building i386-softmmu helps ... 22:15 < rxr> the only thing I need right now 22:16 < rxr> In file included from /TOOLCHAIN/src.qemu.reference.20051105.220652.13839.haudraufinix/qemu-0.7.2/target-i386/op.c:585: 22:16 < rxr> /TOOLCHAIN/src.qemu.reference.20051105.220652.13839.haudraufinix/qemu-0.7.2/softmmu_header.h: In function 'ldub_kernel': 22:16 < rxr> /TOOLCHAIN/src.qemu.reference.20051105.220652.13839.haudraufinix/qemu-0.7.2/softmmu_header.h:100: error: can't find a register in class 'GENERAL_REGS' while reloading 'asm' 22:17 < mnemoc> o.o 22:20 < rxr> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/qemu-devel/2005-11/msg00026.html 22:21 < mnemoc> the first, equally dumb problem being "I can't make ping work with -user-net"???! 22:21 < valentin> hm 22:25 -!- morfoh [n=jeru@p54BEFD3F.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:26 < rxr> so - now running statically supplied qemu from their homepage ... 22:26 < rxr> live boots 22:26 < rxr> well - mostly 22:29 < rxr> valentin: still alive ? 22:31 -!- kleper [n=kleper@200.30.69.177] has joined #t2 22:32 < kleper> hola 22:32 < rxr> hi kleper 22:35 < valentin> rxr: yes 22:37 < rxr> ok - can I phone you ? 22:38 < valentin> mom 22:39 < valentin> ok 22:54 -!- Howdy125 [i=Howdy125@c-67-183-90-58.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #t2 22:57 < rxr> hello Howdy125 22:58 < Howdy125> Howdy rxr 23:03 -!- maddin [n=martin@p54BDC8A4.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:05 -!- misl [n=chatzill@82-217-66-150.cable.quicknet.nl] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:16 -!- Howdy125 [i=Howdy125@c-67-183-90-58.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:27 < mnemoc> rxr: there is something to convert xvidtune output to xorg.conf syntax? 23:29 < rxr> xvidtune ... 23:29 < rxr> hm - no idea 23:29 < mnemoc> or anything else to 'dump' current monitor config 23:29 < rxr> I really never ever dealt much with modelines because I consider messing with such low-level values broken 23:29 < rxr> and usual fixed the driver ... 23:33 < mnemoc> xorg.conf support xvidtune output using ModeLine statement :) 23:33 < mnemoc> ugly crappy monitor 23:33 < rxr> ... 23:33 < rxr> what the h**l are you at ?? 23:34 < mnemoc> installing a 'mnemosyne desktop' on some machines 23:35 < CIA-12> rene * r13173 /trunk/package/kde/kdebase/kdm.postinstall: * fixed kdebase/kdm.postinstall to use a static path to the rock-registry 23:36 < mnemoc> the bad part is i was asked for gnome... which is _very_ distant from 'usable' 23:42 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - for some unknown reason gnome 2.{8.10} do not work well on T2 23:42 < rxr> mostly due to mime type and .desktop stuff 23:42 < rxr> mostly due to this new freedesktop.org standards 23:42 -!- Baldzius [n=mx@85.206.103.253] has joined #t2 23:42 < rxr> no idea why it does not work out welll - my bet is /usr hardcodings ... 23:42 < rxr> but gnome is so far away from my point of focus that, well - I do not really care enough 23:44 < mnemoc> i'm very happy with xfce 23:45 < rxr> I care more that mksquashfs does not work as it used to 23:45 < mnemoc> what did you do with susane's? 23:45 < rxr> made my livecd unusable right now and /me once again debugging 23:45 < rxr> mnemoc: she does not care too much that her app menu is that empty ... 23:45 < rxr> mostly only some kde apps show up 23:45 < rxr> she clicks on the run as to start applications ... 23:45 < rxr> for some reason she also doe not care debugging this ... 23:45 < rxr> what gnome issues do you have ? 23:46 < rxr> btw. you could try building with gnome prefix = /usr and see if that cures gnome ... 23:46 < mnemoc> emptyness 23:46 < rxr> ok - guess what I see on susan's ibook ... 23:46 < mnemoc> emptyness? 23:47 < rxr> yes 23:48 < rxr> apps and mime types mostly empty 23:48 < rxr> app menu that is 23:48 < mnemoc> which files are those? 23:49 < rxr> they are now shared with others desktop environments 23:49 < rxr> there are XDG_* variables to define which dirs to use 23:49 < mnemoc> ic 23:49 < rxr> maybe this is also some caching issue and Gnome must be told to rehash or so 23:49 < rxr> no idea ... 23:49 < rxr> kde works (mostly= 23:49 < rxr> ) 23:50 < rxr> in kde the only annoying thing in t2 is, that gnome apps show up - and that f*cked up gnome crap starts for some mime types and exposes the typical brokeness and featurelss gnome apps share to me 23:50 < rxr> I have a tar archine from a web-site in ark, click on some file and have some annoying gedit instead of kate or so .. 23:51 < rxr> I find this shared among desktop environments by default really annoying 23:51 < rxr> maybe we should tweak the variables to only include those files for the desktop environment started by default 23:51 < rxr> though I have not yet meditated enough about that 23:52 < rxr> maybe I boot a fedora or novel desktop and take a look what they did .. 23:52 < rxr> -mksquashfs . $isofsdir/live.squash -noappend 23:52 < rxr> +mksquashfs * $isofsdir/live.squash -noappend 23:52 < rxr> that should work - guess that is a bug in the new mksquashfs - but I'll not debug it tonight 23:52 < rxr> just throw all dirs into it ... 23:53 < rxr> with just one dir it behaves like -keep-as-directory thus I have rootfs in the top-level instead of /bin /etc, ... 23:53 < rxr> strange 23:53 < rxr> bug - well - this works for all versions so be it ... 23:53 < rxr> just lost another hour of the day - with procps junk that makes up two of those. ... 23:54 < rxr> so - let's see how long the athlon squashes on the livecd ... 23:54 < rxr> I also need to apply some space optimizations to it - it is rather huge now and currently even misses ooo ... 23:54 < rxr> mnemoc: what is trunk's:HEAD ooo status ? 23:55 < mnemoc> building.... since now-3:15 23:56 < mnemoc> 2.0.0.1 finally 23:56 < mnemoc> without cairo or java, but building 23:56 < rxr> nice 23:56 < rxr> without java ? 23:56 < rxr> that would be even best ,-) 23:57 < mnemoc> i want to enable java support if a java is enabled, but doesn't work yet 23:57 < mnemoc> due to an API change on bdb java bindings 23:58 < mnemoc> which was not support by OOo at least at 1.9-m123 23:58 < rxr> mnemoc: yeah - this ooo is a pain ... 23:58 < mnemoc> my personal karma --- Log closed Sun Nov 06 00:00:52 2005