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01:06 < mnemoc> rehi
01:07 < mnemoc> rxr: thanks for 13366
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06:35 < _Ragnar_> hmmm glibc fails? O_O
08:17 < _Ragnar_> rxr: hmmmm you know that 1-glibc fails? O_O
08:17 < _Ragnar_> {standard input}:270: Error: symbol `__divdi3' is already defined
08:17 < _Ragnar_> and such
09:22 < valentin>  moin
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12:04 < misl> rxr: have you seen this one on ebay
12:04 < misl> http://cgi.ebay.nl/SGI-Silicon-Graphics-1600sw-und-Revolution-Number-9_W0QQitemZ8722204942QQcategoryZ77160QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
12:05 < misl> might be something for you :)
12:05 < misl> oeps, BTW hi all
12:16 < misl> hmm, not much activity here :)
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12:18 < misl> I am gone again, bye all
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13:04 < rxr> re
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14:39 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
14:39 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
14:39 [Users #t2]
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14:46 < owl> moin
14:50 < mnemoc> moin!
14:56 < sparc-kly> moin :P
14:56 < valentin> hi mnemoc, owl, rxr, sparc-kly 
14:58 < rxr_> re
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15:02 < mnemoc> re sparc-kly, valentin, rxr, owlinette
15:10 < rxr> hi valentin, mnemoc et al
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15:15 < mnemoc> cool, i'm not part of 'et al' :D
15:16 < rxr> mnemoc: of course you are not ,-)
15:17 < mnemoc> *g*
15:19 < rxr> ouhm
15:20 < rxr> now scribus crashed
15:20 < rxr> f*ck
15:20 < mnemoc> PR?
15:20  * rxr should click save more often
15:20 < mnemoc> weren't you using inkscpae for that?
15:20 < rxr> mnemoc: yes - as usual last minute
15:20 < rxr> mnemoc: inkscape is good for graphics
15:20 < rxr> mnemoc: but not for text
15:21 < mnemoc> but doesn't crash :p
15:23 < valentin> as fallback, we can use the old LaTeX handouts from CeBit...
15:24 < rxr> yeah
15:24 < rxr> we have a bunch of printouts over at you anyway
15:25 < rxr> please take them with you so we can hand them to the people that do not look like investing $$$$ into T2 ,-)
15:26 < valentin> we could ask for the contract before handing out the flyers
15:27 < valentin> we could also found a "T2 developers network" with exclusive acces to svn and ml for a yearly fee around $1000
15:27 < mnemoc> o.o
15:28 < rxr> yes
15:28 < rxr> indeed we should do this T2 developer network with 1000EUR per year
15:28 < rxr> companies pay for such kind of stuf ..
15:29 < rxr> and indeed take a project more serously if that exists ...
15:29 < mnemoc> o.o
15:30 < valentin> if they choose premium membership for Eur2000, they will get weekly printouts of svn log via snail mail :)
15:31 < valentin> and for Eur3000 they get their own external svn repository exclusivly for their own targets
15:31 < rxr> yes - and a 24 hours round trip time for filled in problem reports
15:32 < rxr> 1kEUR only has 48h latency garuanteed ... 
15:32 < mnemoc> o.o
15:33 < valentin> mnemoc: big company will take you more seriosly the more money you want from them ;)
15:33  * mnemoc is too dumb for business
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15:34 < valentin> look at apple and ms - they have even higher prices and are widely respected IT companies
15:34 < rxr> mnemoc: guess how sgi made the money until they missed some things
15:34 < rxr> 10k - 40k for a normal workstation ...
15:34 < Xenos> hmm
15:34 < Xenos> hi all
15:34 < rxr> as sun did ...
15:34 < rxr> hi Xenos 
15:34 < valentin> hi Xenos 
15:35 < Xenos> is it a distro with a text-based installation system?
15:35 < valentin> Xenos: reached the turtle yet ?
15:35 < Xenos> :)
15:35 < valentin> Xenos: yes, there is text based installation
15:35 < Xenos> mmm
15:35 < Xenos> boot from cd & install?
15:35 < valentin> for example.
15:35 < Xenos> nice :)
15:35 < Xenos> downloading..
15:35 < Xenos> i want to use it for my server
15:36 < Xenos> http/ftp/irc/db/radio
15:36 < Xenos> downloading 'minimal' iso...
15:36 < Xenos> :)
15:36 < mnemoc> amd64 iso has been reported to not boot
15:36 < mnemoc> if that is your case
15:37 < Xenos> k, i'm on intel :)
15:37 < mnemoc> :D
15:37 < Xenos> P4 2,4 GHz
15:37 < mnemoc> that works fine
15:37 < Xenos> oh eh..
15:37 < Xenos> 1:46 remaining..
15:38 < valentin> with T2, you can create your own "target" containing exaclty your desired package selection and then let the T2 build system compile that for you.
15:38 < Xenos> :)
15:38 < mnemoc> minimal is a good platform to start designing and building your server distribution
15:38 < Xenos> nice
15:39 < Xenos> yeah, i think so :)
15:39 < valentin> what version are you downloading ?
15:39 < Xenos> but..
15:39 < Xenos> erm..
15:39 < Xenos> 2.1.0
15:39 < Xenos> http://gsmp.tfh-berlin.de/mirror/t2/stable/2.1.0/p4/t2-minimal/t2-minimal-2.1.0-p4_cd1.iso
15:39 < Xenos> this file
15:40 < Xenos> is it ok? :>
15:40 < mnemoc> ack
15:41 < Xenos> heh, 145 mbytes
15:41 < Xenos> it will be written on mini 210-mb cd
15:46 < mnemoc> rxr: how cups-pdf works? where pdf are left?
15:46 < Xenos> hm
15:46 < mnemoc> Xenos: ?
15:46 < Xenos> what about of init scripts?
15:47 < Xenos> init.d rc.d ?
15:47 < mnemoc> what about them?
15:47 < mnemoc> both... symlinked
15:47 < Xenos> great
15:47 < mnemoc> but 'stone' can handle them for you
15:47 < Xenos> :)
15:47 < Xenos> :Xenos > but..
15:48 < Xenos> i want to use this server as a workstation too :D
15:48  * Xenos is maniac :>
15:48 < rxr> mnemoc: /var/spool/cups-pdf or so
15:49 < valentin> if you want X + kde/gnome, i would recomend desktop or live system
15:49 < Xenos> i have only 1 pc.. just want Server+Workstation fast pc..
15:50 < Xenos> no, i hate kde/gnome.. i always install all packages by hands :)
15:50 < Xenos> i prefer gtk-only programs
15:50 < Xenos> gtk2
15:50 < Xenos> :)
15:50 < Xenos> my WinManager is fluxbox
15:50 < mnemoc> i use xfce.... but it's quite hard to find non-gnome gtk programs
15:50 < Xenos> the best, i think
15:50 < Xenos> yeah
15:51 < Xenos> xfce is good too
15:51 < Xenos> it was my first winmanager 3-4 years ago..
15:51 < valentin> my first had been fvm2
15:51 < valentin> then switched to icewm
15:52 < valentin> then gnome
15:52 < Xenos> :)
15:52 < valentin> and now sticking with KDE for about 4 years or so
15:52  * Xenos : xfce->WindowMaker->FluxBox
15:52 < Xenos> heh, nice
15:52 < valentin> wait - some time in between i used sawfish
15:52 < Xenos> =)
15:53 < valentin> and windowmaker/blackbox was my alternative choice on some machines
15:53 < CIA-1> amery * r13368 /trunk/ (misc/share/REGISTER package/security/rsbac/postsysfiles.in): 
15:53 < CIA-1> * registered 400:400 for rsbac' secoff (Security Officer)
15:53 < CIA-1> * added postsysfile.in to rsbac to make it create secoff
15:53 < Xenos> hmm
15:54 < Xenos> i can send u my deskscreen :D
15:54 < Xenos> made 1-2 days ago..
15:56 < valentin> my Desktops do not look very spectacular ... but they are handy to use.
15:56 < Xenos> :)
16:05 < Xenos> hm
16:05 < Xenos> some question
16:05 < Xenos> what'a bout the kernel? :)
16:05 < Xenos> *what's
16:08 < Xenos> which one?
16:08  * Xenos calls mnemoc
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16:09 < madtux> hello.
16:10 < Xenos> hi, madtux
16:11 < madtux> yar
16:19 < mnemoc> Xenos: 2.6.11.12 on 2.1.0
16:19 < mnemoc> wb madtux 
16:19 < mnemoc> Xenos: and 2.4.31 iirc
16:19 < Xenos> iirc?
16:20 < mnemoc> if i remember correctly
16:20 < Xenos> what is iirc? :)
16:20 < mnemoc> iirc="if i remember correctly"
16:20 < Xenos> :)
16:20 < madtux> thx mnemoc
16:20 < madtux> mnemoc: do you know everything?
16:21 < Xenos> can i choose between 2.6 / 2.4 on the install-stage?
16:21 < rxr> valentin: do if you wanna edit typos - you better start emerging scribus 1.3 ,-)
16:22 < Xenos> install-step, better to say :)
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16:22 < owl> re
16:23 < madtux> wb owl
16:23 < owl> thx. when did i go away? O_o
16:23 < owl> hi madtux 
16:23 < Xenos> hello, owl :)
16:23 < Xenos> t2-users are coming.
16:24 < madtux> :)
16:24 < rxr> valentin: the german text is really annoyingly longer
16:24 < rxr> I moved to 9pt already
16:25 < valentin> rxr
16:25 < valentin> rxr: i know :(
16:25 < rxr> unfortunately I improved the german version around 12 o'clock but lost that due to my kernel OOM killing some apps due re-reemerging scribus ...
16:25 < valentin> and it still reads quite "gestopft"
16:25 < rxr> (had no active swap)
16:25 < Xenos> valentin, :Xenos > can i choose between 2.6 / 2.4 on the install-stage?
16:25 < valentin> german is not the language for theese kind of texts
16:26 < owl> what are you speaking about? which texts?
16:26 < valentin> owl: i did a pr text in english half a year ago. and now i translated it back to german
16:26 < owl> ah. ok. ;)
16:27 < valentin> Xenos: you can configure your bootloader to boot either of theese two kernels
16:27 < Xenos> really great
16:27 < Xenos> lilo?
16:27 < Xenos> or grub too/
16:27 < rxr> both
16:27 < Xenos> cool
16:27 < rxr> (though I have not used lilo in the last 5 years ,-)
16:27 < valentin> owl: the text was designed to fit quite exactly on two pages. And the german translation is 30% longer due too longer words in the average and more complicated grammar forms
16:28 < valentin> who wants lilo ?
16:28 < owl> hehe. ok sounds annoying. 
16:28 < rxr> valentin: I guess you ca review the text when you are back home ...
16:28 < valentin> rxr: did you take it "as is" or corrected it already ?
16:28 < rxr> valentin: I simplify things in the de version and if needed remove a few whole sentences ,-)
16:28 < rxr> I corrected it already
16:28 < valentin> yeah
16:29 < Xenos> valentin, i want :)
16:29 < valentin> rxr: thx, that is great
16:29 < rxr> but I lost a "optmization pass" in this OOM disaster ...
16:29 < Xenos> heh
16:29 < rxr> I should either stick more RAM into the subnotebook - or do not DTP whle building big C++ stuff ...
16:29 < valentin> Xenos: tell me one single advantage of lilo over grub
16:29 < Xenos> dunno
16:29 < rxr> simillar config file to silo and milo ,-)
16:30 < Xenos> :)))
16:30 < rxr> sparc and alpha loaders ,-)
16:30 < rxr> oh - and yaboot IIRC
16:30 < rxr> partially also arcboot but not arcload
16:30 < Xenos> i think, i'll become t2-user soon
16:30 < rxr> ,-)
16:30 < valentin> maybe you become a t2-developer afterwards ?
16:30 < Xenos> heh, maybe ;)
16:34 < Xenos> 60% of iso..
16:35 < valentin> rxr: if you export to postscript or pdf, i could take a little look now
16:36 < rxr> hm
16:36 < rxr> it is so unfished ...
16:36 < rxr> wel - ok
16:36 < valentin> you do not need too
16:40 < Xenos> mm
16:40 < Xenos> t2 handbook in pdf.. nice
16:43 < Xenos> support for XFS - great!
16:48 < _Ragnar_> rxr: did you see my msg last night?
16:57 < rxr> nope
16:59 < rxr> feel free to report - or I scroll back if it was nto private
16:59  * rxr back home
16:59 < rxr> valentin: feel free to add comments in private
17:00 < rxr> I plan to have a mostly finished version aroudn 19.00
17:00 < rxr> cu
17:01 < valentin> cu later rxr
17:23 < Xenos> yeeeeeeeahhaaaa
17:23 < Xenos> downloaded :>
17:27 < Xenos> heh
17:27 < Xenos> what is stone?
17:29 < Xenos> codename of.. the installer?
17:31 < rxr> re
17:31 < rxr> yes
17:31 < rxr> Setup Tool ONE
17:32 < Xenos> :)
17:34 < valentin> driving home, cu later
17:34 < rxr> cu
17:35 < mnemoc> rxr: what do you think about the 5th block of our topic?
17:40 < rxr> oehm
17:40 -!- Topic for #t2:  T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
17:40 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
17:40 < rxr> ,-)
17:40 < rxr> yes - nice
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17:44 < karasz> moin all
17:45 < rxr> moin karasz 
17:45 < karasz> i do not have a question right now 
17:46 < karasz> but i thought i give you guys and girls a greeting
17:46 < karasz> :)
17:46 < mnemoc> :)
17:49 < Xenos> "_"
17:51 < karasz> mnemoc: feeling better?
17:51 < karasz> or is #t2 still hitten by flue?
17:51 < mnemoc> just alergics today :)
17:52 < karasz> i hope that you didn't developed an alergie to me...?
17:52  * karasz wonders...
17:52 < mnemoc> :)
17:53 < mnemoc> not yet
17:53 < CIA-1> amery * r13369 /branches/2.1/scripts/functions.in: 
17:53 < CIA-1> * merged 12573,12595 from trunk: cleaned pkggetdir() code
17:53 < CIA-1> * merged 12596 from trunk: fixed pkggetdir to use x86_64 not x86-64 now we use arch_machine to decide about lib64
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17:55 < Xenos> is mounted..
17:55 < Xenos> mnemoc, what are *.gem?
17:56  * mnemoc doesn't want to know where Xenos is mounted
17:56 < Xenos> where is tarbz2?
17:56 < karasz> install packs
17:56 < mnemoc> yes
17:56 < mnemoc> .tar.bz2 inside a .cdb
17:56 < mnemoc> ROCKLinux package format, deprecated on T2 2.2
17:56 < karasz> what is .cdb?
17:56 < Xenos> hm..
17:56 < mnemoc> static database
17:56  * karasz has question...
17:56 < Xenos> couldn't install t2 on vmware.. :/
17:57 < mnemoc> Xenos: ?
17:57 < mnemoc> karasz: so ?
17:57 < karasz> Xenos: i succeded to instal on vmware
17:57 < karasz> i already put it mnemoc `waht are .cdb`
17:57 < karasz> ?
17:58 < mnemoc> <mnemoc> static database
17:58 < Xenos> karasz, 5.0?
17:58 < mnemoc> http://cr.yp.to/cdb.html
17:58 < karasz> Xenos: you definitely want to use ide HDD in vmware
17:58 < karasz> yes
17:58 < karasz> 5.0
17:58 < Xenos> yeah
17:58 < Xenos> but
17:58 < karasz> workstation
17:58 < Xenos> yeah
17:58 < Xenos> but
17:59 < Xenos> stone tells me that there is no diskspace.. :/
17:59 < karasz> i alocated 7 gigs
17:59 < karasz> in 2 gig files
18:00 < Xenos> hm
18:00 < karasz> and i had no problems
18:00 < Xenos> step by step..
18:00 < karasz> but it failed when i tried to emulate scsi
18:00 < karasz> with ide it went flawlwsly
18:00 < Xenos> Guest OS -> Other Linux ?
18:02 < karasz> windozw :(
18:02 < karasz> xp pro
18:02 < Xenos> :)
18:03 < Xenos> i boot linux24..
18:03 < Xenos> then "stone"
18:03 < karasz> i tried only 2.6
18:03 < karasz> that is default from what i know
18:04 < mnemoc> yes, 2.6 is default
18:04 < Xenos> next
18:04 < Xenos> cfdisk
18:04 < Xenos> & mkae XFS & swap partitions
18:04 < Xenos> *make
18:05 < mnemoc> don't forget to activate grub/lilo
18:05 < Xenos> next..
18:05 < Xenos> yeah but..
18:05 < Xenos> what's next?
18:05 < Xenos> gasgui or gastone?
18:05 < mnemoc> the first
18:06 < mnemoc> just install everything :)
18:06 < Xenos> Full Install?
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18:06 < Xenos> hah
18:06 < mnemoc> full install of t2-minimal isn't that bad ,-)
18:07 < Xenos> after 1.5 secs it tells ask me to reboot..
18:07 < Xenos> :(
18:07 < Xenos> err
18:07 < mnemoc> ?
18:07 < Xenos> err i think
18:08 < Xenos> these packages couldn't be installed after 2-3 secs..
18:09 < mnemoc> i doubt you have such a fast disk
18:09 < Xenos> :(
18:10 < Xenos> there is only blackscreen after reboot..
18:11 < mnemoc> did you get GAS UI after selecting it?
18:12 < Xenos> yeah
18:12 < mnemoc> Full Install/Only minimalistic system ?
18:12 < Xenos> then "Full Install"
18:12 < Xenos> then "reboot now?" after 2-3 secs
18:12 < mnemoc> "Install selected packages" ?
18:13 < Xenos> wait a minute
18:14 < mnemoc> finally amd64 building on 2.1 again...
18:14 < Xenos> i found a problem
18:15 < Xenos> couldn't mount to "/"
18:15 < mnemoc> uhm
18:16 < Xenos> hah
18:16 < Xenos> when i choose ext3, all it's ok
18:16 < Xenos> but not XFS/JFS :(
18:17 < rxr> ouhm
18:17 < mnemoc> uhm
18:19 < mnemoc> isn't xfs module self-loaded?
18:19 < mnemoc> s/self/auto/
18:27 < Xenos> ?
18:28 < mnemoc> xfs support is on module
18:28 < mnemoc> from outside stone try to mount your root device on /mnt/target
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18:32  * mnemoc needs more rw discs :(
18:32 < karasz> ?
18:32 < karasz> cd-rw?
18:32 < mnemoc> yep
18:32 < karasz> for....
18:33 < mnemoc> test/install t2 builds
18:35 < Xenos> :/
18:35 < Xenos> mount: unknown filesystem type 'xfs'
18:35 < karasz> hmmm i could send you some but i think shipping costs much more that the cd's..... :(
18:36 < _Ragnar_> 231721 < _Ragnar_> rxr: hmmmm you know that 1-glibc fails? O_O
18:36 < _Ragnar_> 231746 < _Ragnar_> {standard input}:270: Error: symbol `__divdi3' is already defined
18:36 < _Ragnar_> 231749 < _Ragnar_> and such
18:36 < karasz> mnemoc: 2 or 3 hundred?
18:36 < Xenos> mnemoc, any ideas about XFS?..
18:36 < mnemoc> karasz: i have 2, i would be happy with 2 more :)
18:37 < mnemoc> _Ragnar_: 2.1 or trunk?
18:37 < _Ragnar_> trunk
18:37 < mnemoc> Xenos: modprobe xfs ?
18:37 < karasz> mnemoc: mail me the adress and i will see what can i do ;)
18:37 < Xenos> modprobe: Can't locate module xfs
18:37 < mnemoc> karasz: i guess i'll go buy a few tonight
18:37 < mnemoc> Xenos: try on stage 1
18:38 < Xenos> k
18:38 < karasz> mnemoc: anyway more doesn't hurt... does it?
18:38 < mnemoc> Xenos: option 6? kiss
18:38 < Xenos> yeah
18:38 < mnemoc> karasz: of course not, but shipping does
18:38 < Xenos> i'll try..
18:38 < karasz> lemme try mnemoc 
18:39 < mnemoc> Xenos: but i guess xfs on root will be a trouble....
18:39 < Xenos> ?
18:39 < Xenos> why?
18:39 < mnemoc> because it's a module
18:40 < mnemoc> no idea if initrd generator works
18:42 < rxr> Xenos: yeah - just use a ext* or reiserfs for 2.1 testing 
18:42 < rxr> if you know you want to use it you can still fiddle with xfs
18:42 < Xenos> insmod: /lib/modules/2.4.31-dist/kernel/fs/xfs/xfs.o
18:42 < Xenos> insmod: insmod /lib/modules/2.4.31-dist/kernel/fs/xfs/xfs.o failed
18:42 < Xenos> insmod: insmod xfs failed
18:42 < Xenos> [modprobe: exited with 255]
18:43 < _Ragnar_> huh? just compile it in with linux.cfg
18:43 < Xenos> :/
18:44 < rxr> Xenos: did you use modprobe or insmod ?
18:44 < mnemoc> Xenos: modprobe ?
18:44 < Xenos> modprobe
18:44 < Xenos> ...
18:45 < Xenos> hm..
18:46 < Xenos> i see, i can't use xfs & t2?..
18:46 < rxr> hm.
18:46  * Xenos gone to take some food..
18:47 < mnemoc> Xenos: if you can't, it's a bug which shall be fixed
18:49 < valentin> re
18:50 < valentin> did i miss much ? :)
18:50 < mnemoc> valentin: _Ragnar_'s blasfemy against trunk
18:52 < _Ragnar_> pffff
18:59  * Xenos returned
18:59 < Xenos> mnemoc, i hope ;)
18:59 < Xenos> in 2.2 ?:)
19:01 < Xenos> how many weeks i must wait?..
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19:05 < mnemoc> yuck
19:06 < mnemoc> [15:02:43] <mnemoc> valentin: and Xenos without been able to install on XFS (bootdisk fail to load xfs module)
19:06 < Xenos> when it will be fixed? :)
19:07 < mnemoc> before 2.1.1 :)
19:08 < mnemoc> if you report the bug on trac.t2-project.org
19:08 < Xenos> emm, i'm about of time
19:09 < Xenos> :Xenos > how many weeks i must wait?..
19:10 < mnemoc> for 2.1.1 or for xfs on bootdisk?
19:10 < rxr> mnemoc: sounds like a plan
19:10 < rxr> trunk suports this fully due any fs is modular ...
19:10 < rxr> modular everything approach ,-)
19:11 < Xenos> 2.2.2 for example :)
19:11 < Xenos> ups
19:11 < Xenos> )
19:11 < Xenos> 2.1.1
19:12 < Xenos> i planned to instal t2 this week
19:13 < Xenos> :/
19:13 < mnemoc> use ext3 or reiserfs :)
19:13 < Xenos> :(
19:13 < karasz> what sould i put in -mtune for Xeon processors?
19:14 < karasz> -mtune=pentium4 is ok?
19:15 < Xenos> oh eh..
19:15 < Xenos> isos deleted..
19:15 < Xenos> =(
19:17 < karasz> mnemoc: are you still around?
19:24 < karasz> what sould i put in -mtune for Xeon processors?
19:24 < karasz> -mtune=pentium4 is ok?
19:25 < rxr> think so
19:25 < rxr> maybe google that is best for your xeon
19:25 < rxr> I do not know off hand
19:26 < karasz> 10x
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19:45 < mnemoc> karasz: yes
19:48 < karasz> mnemoc: see querry
19:49 < mnemoc> karasz: done :)
19:53 < Xenos> heh
19:54 < Xenos> mnemoc, what do u think about fixing this bug? :)
19:55  * Xenos wants xfs.. ^_^
19:55 < mnemoc> i need to finish moving some files on my HD to get my CPU back and burn a new bootdisk to test
19:56 < Xenos> m, ok, what's about of time?
19:57 < mnemoc> Xenos: anyway, once fixed you would need to make your own 2.1 minimal CD 
19:57 < Xenos> ?
19:58 < Xenos> why? this is ok
19:58 < mnemoc> build hte target, burn a cd
19:58 < mnemoc> bug fixing doesn't just pelepaticly into your disc
19:58 < mnemoc> s/just/jump/
19:59 < Xenos> hm
19:59 < mnemoc> sioo, better install on ext3 or reiser to start building your target, and build bootdisk once it's fixed
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20:00 < mnemoc> s/sioo/so/
20:00  * mnemoc wants some CPU cycles to type!
20:00 < Xenos> :)
20:00 < Xenos> yeah
20:00 < Xenos> currently installing on reiserfs..
20:01 < Xenos> ???
20:01 < Xenos> sorry :)
20:01 < Xenos> )
20:01 < Xenos> but
20:01 < Xenos> if u'll build fixed cd
20:01 < mnemoc> what was that unicode thing you typed?
20:01 < Xenos> ru symbols :)
20:02 < mnemoc> Xenos: 2.1.1 CDs will have this issue fixed, 2.1.1 is scheduled for two weeks
20:02 < Xenos> i'll wait :)
20:03 < Xenos> will download 2.1.1 minimal iso, burn and install it
20:03 < mnemoc> :)
20:03 < Xenos> :)
20:08 < Xenos> hm
20:09 < Xenos> i hope, this time will come soon :)
20:09 < Xenos> #t2 has been added to my autojoin list :)
20:10 < mnemoc> good choice
20:10 < Xenos> i hope
20:10 < Xenos> it will be only this channel
20:10 < Xenos> in the future :)
20:11 < mnemoc> there are other good non-excludent channels on #freenode :)
20:12 < Xenos> thanks, but os is primary for me
20:12 < Xenos> other channels are some-mins for me
20:13  * mnemoc look at his autojoin list, which include 3 networks
20:13 < Xenos> 3 steps: join, ask, part :)
20:13 < Xenos> yep
20:13 < Xenos> i have 4 networks :)
20:13 < mnemoc> you forgot to greet
20:13 < Xenos> & 8 channels on them
20:14 < Xenos> hm, yeah
20:14 < Xenos> join/greet/ask/part
20:15 < mnemoc> that's better
20:15 < Xenos> but my os' channel = Const for me ;)
20:16 < Xenos> i hope this channel will be #t2 :)
20:17 < Xenos> wonderful config-menu, very flexible
20:17 < Xenos> as i saw
20:18 < mnemoc> most config is not done using the menu, it's setting vars on target files
20:18 < Xenos> yeah..
20:18 < Xenos> but t2 totally ownz..
20:18 < Xenos> now :)
20:18 < mnemoc> now?
20:18 < Xenos> for me :)
20:19 < Xenos> after i install it
20:19 < Xenos> heh
20:19  * Xenos is waiting for 2.1.1 =)
20:19 < mnemoc> two weeks
20:19 < Xenos> kk 
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20:39 < rxr> valentin: ?
20:42 < karasz> guys i what shape is AMD64 arch?
20:43 < karasz> i am thinking of gettin an Athlon64 machine for my t2 buildings...
20:44 < karasz> or should i stick to a P4 ?
20:51 < mnemoc> # ./scripts/Create-ErrList -cfg minimal
20:51 < mnemoc> Error logs from minimal-2.1-stable-x86-64-generic:
20:51 < mnemoc> 166 builds total, 93 completed fine, 0 with errors.
20:51 < Xenos> ...
20:51 < mnemoc> 2026 o.o
20:52 < mnemoc> i don't speak unicode yet
20:52 < Xenos> hm, it's my autoreplace for "..."
20:52 < _Ragnar_> :)
20:53 < mnemoc> i'll keep that in mind
20:53 < Xenos> :)
20:53 < Xenos> mnemoc, where are you from?
20:54 < mnemoc> chile
20:54 < Xenos> mm
20:54  * Xenos Date/Time is now [ Mon Nov 14 22:53:52 ]
20:54 < Xenos> & your time is..?
20:55 < mnemoc> -6
20:55 < Xenos> nice
20:56 < mnemoc> :)
20:58 < karasz> go to go now
20:58 < karasz> bye all
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21:06 < MisterN> hi
21:06 < MisterN> (late, but a greeting)
21:07 < mnemoc> :)
21:09 < Xenos> mm
21:09  * Xenos welcomes MisterN
21:13 < rxr> hi MisterN 
21:14 < MisterN> what is the difference between a distribution and a meta-distribution like T2, really?
21:15 < mnemoc> T2 is not a meta-distribution
21:15 < mnemoc> it's a System Development Enviroment
21:15 < rxr> mnemoc: can you schdule a free time stot for me in about 10 minutes ?
21:16 < mnemoc> yes
21:16 < mnemoc> but on 30 i have to leave to the doctor
21:17 < MisterN> mnemoc: well i'm interested in the structure. all i know is: "you can build distributions with it"
21:18 < mnemoc> MisterN: T2 is more like a framework than a distribution
21:18 < MisterN> this means?
21:18 < rxr> ouhm
21:19 < rxr> damn - I have t2 pr to review before it 300x prrint those
21:19 < mnemoc> MisterN: it's a tool
21:19 < mnemoc> MisterN: like gcc
21:19 < MisterN> heh
21:20 < Xenos> hmm
21:20 < Xenos> xorg 7 will be released Dec, 7
21:21 < mnemoc> Xenos: t2 2.2 has a working xorg7
21:21 < Xenos> mm
21:21 < Xenos> & what about of 2.2 release date? :)
21:21 < mnemoc> and i guess the first release of 2.2 will be around dec, 8 
21:21 < mnemoc> :)
21:21 < Xenos> :)))))))))))
21:22 < mnemoc> am i wrong rxr?
21:22 < MisterN> and the livecd on dec, 9?
21:22 < Xenos> all it's ok..
21:22 < rxr> http://ec-outpost.dyndns.org/t2-en.pdf
21:22 < mnemoc> MisterN: livecd will be part of t2-2.2
21:23 < rxr> colors are not yet final
21:23 < mnemoc> rxr: back to latex?
21:24 < MisterN> mnemoc: excuse the fact that i know so few things. found T2 through hotplug++ :D
21:24 < Xenos> http://www.t2-project.org/packages/ - real matrix :>
21:24 < mnemoc> MisterN: hotplug++ is a core component of T2 2.2 :)
21:25 < MisterN> and fast and c++
21:25 < MisterN> *g*
21:25 < mnemoc> rxr: i think the 'just' in "T2 is not just a common"... is wrong :)
21:26 < rxr> yeah - right - removed it in the de translation already
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21:27 < Xenos> mnemoc, as i see, 2.1.1 will be the latest of 2.1 ?
21:28 < mnemoc> Xenos: nope... there will be a few more 2.1 even after 2.2.x
21:28 < mnemoc> rxr: 'projekt' on the footer :)
21:28 < Xenos> :)
21:28 < Xenos> hm
21:29 < Xenos> but if 2.1.1 will be released after 2 weeks
21:29 < rxr> mnemoc: oops
21:29 < rxr> thanks
21:29 < Xenos> and 2.2 already - after 3-4...
21:29 < mnemoc> Xenos: 2.1 and 2.2 have different core structure
21:30 < Xenos> wooops
21:30 < mnemoc> Xenos: 2.1 is monolitical and devfs based, 2.2 is fully modular and udev based
21:30 < Xenos> thank u :)
21:30 < Xenos> hmm
21:30 < Xenos> i'll install 2.1.. 100%
21:32 < mnemoc> as far as updated don't change API/ABI/prefix or config, the updates or new packages _can_ go to 2.1 branch
21:32 < Xenos> good
21:33 < Xenos> then i think, my choice is 2.1
21:33 < Xenos> waiting for 2 weeks, as i said :>
21:35 < mnemoc> :)
21:36 < mnemoc> Xenos: btw, that package matrix points to t2 2.2, not 2.1
21:37 < Xenos> i know ;)
21:37 < Xenos> i told it just 4 fun
21:37 < mnemoc> :)
21:37 < mnemoc> rxr: i have to leave soon
21:40 < rxr> ok
21:40 < rxr> thanks so far
21:44 < mnemoc> ok, cu :)
21:45 < rxr> cu
21:46 < valentin> rxr: still in the same place (ec-outpost)?
21:46 < rxr> yep
21:47 < valentin> hm, does not work in kerstins old konqueror
21:47 < rxr> ?
21:47 < rxr> you mean kpdf ?
21:47 < rxr> save and xpdf ,-)
21:48 < valentin> only shows blank pages
21:48 < rxr> hm - aging rs6k needs some time to raster it ...
21:48 < rxr>  4627 daemon    25   0 20880  10m  13m R 59.7  1.3   0:21.51 gs
21:48 < rxr>  4628 daemon    15   0 23488  17m 7272 S 20.8  2.3   0:13.59 rastertokm2430d
22:43 < MisterN> n8
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23:36 < CIA-1> jsaw * r13370 /trunk/package/base/pam/pam.desc: * update PAM (0.80 -> 0.81)
23:39 < Xenos> hmm
23:39 < Xenos> time to sleep
23:40 < Xenos> 'night all
23:40  * Xenos is away: dropped to bed..
23:43 < rxr> cu
23:45 < _Ragnar_> ciaoi
23:48 < rxr> well - not me if you thought that
23:48 < rxr> have to pack and wait for the printouts ...
23:48 < rxr> at least it is a color _laser_ ...
23:48 < _Ragnar_> ooh? thought you were heading to sleep :)
23:49 < rxr> nope - just cu'ing Xenos ,-)
23:49 < _Ragnar_> :)
23:59 < mnemoc> rehi
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