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00:00 < rxr> so - bed now
00:00 < rxr> cu all
00:00 < CIA-10> rene * r13415 /trunk/package/graphic/ogre3d/ (. ogre3d.cache ogre3d.conf ogre3d.desc):
00:00 < CIA-10> * added ogre3d (1.0-5) - A realtime 3d engine we have been asked for
00:00 < CIA-10> during the Linux World Expo
00:00 < jsaw> cu, rxr
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00:23 < jsaw> g'night
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00:52 < Postal> hey all
00:53 < Postal> anyone around?
00:53 * mnemoc looks around
00:53 < mnemoc> no
00:54 < mnemoc> :)
00:55 < Postal> lol, ive been playing around in Macromedia Studio 8 and wondered if anyone would object if i did some work for the T2 site?
00:57 < mnemoc> any free contribution on free format is welcomed
00:57 < Postal> Do you guys care if I throw some flash in there?
01:00 < Postal> I really enjoy flash pages
01:02 < mnemoc> you can do something on flash if you want
01:02 < Postal> nifty.. who do i talk to for uploading when its finished?
01:02 < mnemoc> but we can't have a site which can't be seen using our distributions
01:03 < Postal> ok
01:03 < Postal> umm, does T2 have flash support?
01:03 < mnemoc> flash plugin is not redistributable
01:03 < Postal> ah
01:03 < Postal> so in other words it could have it but does not by default
01:03 < Postal> ok
01:04 < mnemoc> yep
01:04 < Postal> ill just stick to W3C CSS and whatnot
01:04 < Postal> as any browser can display that by default
01:05 < Postal> who do i talk to when its finished for uplaoding?
01:05 < mnemoc> rene
01:05 < Postal> ok
01:05 < Postal> it will prolly be a week or so...
01:06 < mnemoc> :)
01:06 < Postal> But it is looking really nice already.. im hosting it internally on apache now for previewing and whatnot
01:08 < Postal> I have not figured out how to make apache host the site externally yet..
01:09 < Postal> brb have to restart
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02:20 < CIA-10> amery * r13416 /branches/2.1/package/x11/xorg/ (xorg-conf.in xorg.conf xvfb-run):
02:20 < CIA-10> * merged 11390 from trunk: enabled Xvfb on xorg (3.4M), and added xvfb-run from debian
02:20 < CIA-10> * merged 13348 from trunk: fixed xvfb-run to use mktemp instead of tempfile
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05:04 < mnemoc> jsaw: can you see if my last change to embutils let you have `which`?
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06:07 -!- Topic for #t2: T2 | 2.1.0 RELEASED! | The System Development Environment (SDE) | http://www.t2-project.org/ | Give us a greeting and don't hesitate to ask any questions you have :-)
06:07 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
06:07 [Users #t2]
06:07 [ _Ragnar_] [ jsaw ] [ mtr_] [ sepp ] [ sparc-kly[g3] ] [ valentin]
06:07 [ CIA-10 ] [ mnemoc] [ rxr ] [ SerWou] [ sparc-kly[WORK]] [ Xenos ]
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06:07 -!- Channel #t2 created Sun Aug 8 21:15:33 2004
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06:19 < Postal> Hey is anyone around?
06:36 < CIA-10> amery * r13422 /branches/2.1/package/ (5 files in 3 dirs):
06:36 < CIA-10> * merged 9876 from trunk: added $stagelevel 0 and 1 to the ccache directory name
06:36 < CIA-10> * merged 12695 from trunk: added SYSCC wrapper, and adapted ccache/parse-config it
06:36 < CIA-10> * merged 12696 from trunk: improved our ccache tweaks to not hash more -M* flag cases
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07:41 -!- Topic set by mnemoc [] [Fri Nov 11 21:33:14 2005]
07:41 [Users #t2]
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10:16 < SerWou> good morning
10:19 < SerWou> i did a symlink in /dev from /dev/md/1 -> /dev/md1 and finally got something uniform for my soft RAID with /dev/md0 and /dev/md1, but the symlink disappear after the reboot, and i have filesystem errors because the kernel can't mount the whole /etc/fstab, RAID aeras are absents. How make this symlink persistent ?
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10:30 < mtr> moin
10:33 < mtr> SerWou: devfs?
10:33 * Xenos is back (gone 00:36:28)
10:33 < SerWou> devfs yes
10:33 < SerWou> t2 2.1.0
10:33 < Xenos> hloall
10:34 < SerWou> hello Xenos
10:37 < mtr> SerWou: look in /etc/devfs.d/compat, do you have a MKOLDCOMPAT entry for md/.* devices?
10:38 < mtr> hi Xenos
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10:39 < SerWou> mtr : i've got that : http://pastebin.com/434116
10:45 < mtr> add the lines for md devices: http://pastebin.com/434120
10:45 < SerWou> hoo, thanks ;)
10:46 < SerWou> so, what it will make exactly ? keep the symlinks i did in /dev ?
10:47 < mtr> SerWou: it tells devfsd to create the symlinks for you
10:49 < SerWou> ok
10:49 < SerWou> thanks
10:49 < SerWou> between, have you ever run RaidSoftware ?
10:51 < mtr> SerWou: do you have LOOKUP md/.* IGNORE in your devfsd.conf? probably you should comment this out
10:51 < Xenos> hmm
10:51 < Xenos> while running firefox..
10:51 < Xenos> /opt/firefox/firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
10:51 < mtr> SerWou: sorry, no linux raid experience
10:51 < SerWou> Xenos , do you have GRSEC ? ;)
10:51 < Xenos> ?
10:51 < Xenos> what's this?
10:52 < SerWou> a security linux kernel patch ?
10:52 < Xenos> em
10:52 < Xenos> yep
10:52 < Xenos> but
10:52 < Xenos> but libstdc++.so.6 installed...
10:53 < SerWou> that's the first time you run firefox ? or you ran it before and it was working ?
10:53 < Xenos> yeah, first time..
10:53 < Xenos> i installed t2 yesterday
10:53 < SerWou> try "paxctl +c /opt/firefox/firefox-bin" and "paxctl +m /opt/firefox/firefox-bin"
10:54 < Xenos> zsh: command not found: paxctl
10:54 < Xenos> :)
10:54 < Xenos> i can symlink libstdc++.so.5
10:54 < Xenos> )
10:54 < Xenos> it works..
10:54 < SerWou> whereis paxctl, locate paxctl
10:55 < SerWou> HO ;)
10:55 < SerWou> mtr , i don't have "LOOKUP md/.* IGNORE" in devfsd.conf
10:57 < mtr> SerWou: ok (i have no t2 2.1 around, so i guess this is an obsolete relict in 2.2)
10:57 < SerWou> good ;)
10:57 < SerWou> Thanks for the help
10:58 < SerWou> i would like to paste my RAID problem here, maybe you will have any idea
10:58 < SerWou> 1.
10:58 < SerWou> when i reboot, i've got RAID errors, (i'm setup-ing RAID1 software with 2 IDE HDs) i have to comment lines who talk about /dev/md* in /etc/fstab, boot, than run "raidstart /dev/md*.." by hand, than mount "mount /dev/md.. /home/...." to get it working... quite heavy
10:59 < SerWou> RAID1 is on my kernel
10:59 < SerWou> cat /boot/kconfig_2.6.11.12-dist | grep RAID1
10:59 < SerWou> CONFIG_MD_RAID1=y
10:59 < SerWou> i don't know if it's directly linked to the symlink devfs thing
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11:04 < SerWou> hello mnemoc
11:04 * Xenos calls mnemoc
11:04 < Xenos> yeaahaaaa!! :>
11:05 < mtr> SerWou: hmm, guess i cannot be a real help for your raid, sorry
11:06 < SerWou> thanks anyway mtr , i will bug mnemoc ;) ;)
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11:36 < rxr> re
11:38 < SerWou> hy rxr
11:41 < rxr> hi SerWou
11:42 < SerWou> any experience in RAID software rxr ?
11:43 < mtr> moin rxr
11:44 < rxr> moin mtr
11:54 < CIA-10> rene * r13423 /trunk/package/gnome2/gnumeric/gnumeric.desc: * updated gnumeric (1.6.0 -> 1.6.1)
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12:01 < valentin> moin
12:02 < rxr> moin valentin
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12:04 < valentin> hi rxr, how is live in Lauenau ?
12:05 < valentin> life even
12:05 < rxr> as usual
12:08 < rxr> I think our google pagerank increased
12:08 < rxr> from 4 to 5 ,-)
12:08 < valentin> and there was some mail on the ml from someone i think we talked too at lwe
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12:11 < rxr> valentin: I packaged ogre3d (this neues wetter woman at lwe asked for) in the meantime
12:13 < valentin> nice
12:13 < valentin> *brunch*
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12:19 < misl> hi folks
12:19 < Xenos> hello, misl
12:20 < misl> hi Xenos
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13:06 < rxr> http://golem.de/0511/41731.html
13:06 < rxr> ^- GPL code in Sonys rootkit ?
13:12 < SerWou> hehehe
13:38 < rxr> I have jam, physfs and lincity-ng pending for commit
13:38 < rxr> just desc cleanup needed
13:38 < rxr> just to prevent duplicate work ...
13:58 < CIA-10> rene * r13424 /trunk/package/develop/jam/ (. jam.cache jam.conf jam.desc): * added jam (2.5) - Yet another make-like program
14:04 < CIA-10> rene * r13425 /trunk/package/filesystem/physfs/ (. physfs.cache physfs.desc): * added physfs (1.0.1) - A library to provide abstract access to various archives
14:15 < CIA-10> rene * r13426 /trunk/package/games/lincity-ng/ (. lincity-ng.cache lincity-ng.conf lincity-ng.desc): * added lincity-ng (1.0.2) - A city simulation game
14:37 < CIA-10> rene * r13427 /trunk/package/base/man-pages/man-pages.desc: * updated man-pages (2.13 -> 2.14)
14:38 < CIA-10> rene * r13428 /trunk/package/network/scmxx/scmxx.desc: * updated scmxx (0.8.1 -> 0.8.2)
14:38 < CIA-10> rene * r13429 /trunk/package/gnome2/libgnomemm/libgnomemm.desc: * updated libgnomemm (2.12.0 -> 2.12.1)
14:40 < CIA-10> rene * r13430 /trunk/package/audio/streamripper/streamripper.desc: * updated streamripper (1.61.15 -> 1.61.16)
14:42 < CIA-10> rene * r13431 /trunk/package/gnome2/quick-lounge-applet/quick-lounge-applet.desc: * updated quick-lounge-applet (2.12.0 -> 2.12.1)
14:50 < CIA-10> rene * r13432 /trunk/package/base/device-mapper/device-mapper.desc: * updated device-mapper (1.01.04 -> 1.02.00)
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15:18 < mnemoc> moin
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15:20 < mnemoc> SerWou: we have grsec, but not PAX yet.
15:21 < Xenos> mnemoc: :)
15:21 * Xenos is happy :>
15:22 < mnemoc> hi happy-xenos
15:22 < Xenos> :)
15:23 < Xenos> but
15:23 < Xenos> did u see some msgs while running network?
15:23 < Xenos> network works fine
15:23 < mnemoc> there is a duplication on network start
15:23 < Xenos> hm
15:24 < mnemoc> hotplug does it once, and network start does it again
15:24 < mnemoc> so, don't do network start :)
15:24 < Xenos> ?
15:24 < Xenos> remove network from all runlevels?
15:24 < mnemoc> ack
15:24 < Xenos> ack - ?
15:24 < Xenos> :)
15:24 < mnemoc> hotplug is doing it
15:24 < mnemoc> agree
15:25 < mnemoc> acknowledge
15:25 < Xenos> :)
15:26 < mnemoc> there is no good solution yet for your issue
15:26 < Xenos> ?
15:26 < mnemoc> " some msgs while running network"
15:26 < Xenos> )
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15:29 < keinek> hi guys
15:29 < keinek> morning
15:29 < mnemoc> hi keinek
15:29 * Xenos welcomes keinek
15:29 < Xenos> mnemoc: stone ownz :)
15:30 < keinek> rxr, i need pictures of t2 for a magazine, the magazine is Linux+ http://www.lpmagazine.org
15:30 < keinek> mnemoc give to me two .pdf with info for the note.
15:30 < keinek> but i like some picture.
15:31 < mnemoc> i'm inocent
15:31 < keinek> i write now the note for the magazine, about t2.
15:31 < keinek> :)
15:31 < keinek> you know... t2 is better than gentoo, gentoo and all linuxs is a shit.
15:31 < keinek> you need t2.
15:32 < keinek> and bla bla bla
15:32 < Xenos> yeah
15:32 < keinek> the people is happy reading that.
15:32 * Xenos agrred with keinek
15:32 * Xenos hates gentoo & python :>
15:32 < keinek> haha
15:33 < keinek> so i need pictures for the magazine
15:33 < Xenos> keinek: screenshots?
15:34 < Xenos> or logos?
15:34 < keinek> Xenos, no.... logos... and stuff like graphics with pda.
15:34 < Xenos> i see..
15:35 < keinek> what logo is the real logo of t2?
15:35 < Xenos> but i can give u nice screen, that i made while configuring T2 :>
15:35 < Xenos> hm
15:35 < Xenos> www.t2-project.org ? ^_^
15:35 < keinek> i can take all ?
15:35 < valentin> re
15:36 < keinek> but i need the word of rxr
15:36 < Xenos> hello, valentin
15:36 < keinek> i dont like to have a fight for the rights of the t2's logo.
15:36 < mnemoc> valentin: keinek wants to use images from t2-en.pdf on an article about t2 he is writting for http://www.lpmagazine.org
15:36 < keinek> :P
15:36 < keinek> thanks mnemoc
15:41 < mnemoc> http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/
15:44 < valentin> mnemoc: go for it, but under one condition: make sure graphic's copyright remains at the t2 project
15:45 < valentin> s/ mnemoc / keinek
15:45 < mnemoc> keinek: ----^
15:46 < valentin> when writing an article for a magazine, you usualy grant them the full copyright over that article for the money you get.
15:46 < valentin> so it is not legal for you to reuse that text in other ways
15:47 < valentin> but we want to use that graphic again
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15:59 < karasz> moin everyone
15:59 * Xenos welcomes karasz :)
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16:00 < mnemoc> hi bronchitisman
16:01 * karasz receives wellcoming and thanks for it :)
16:02 < karasz> hi mnemoc
16:05 < Xenos> :)
16:06 < mnemoc> hi karasz :)
16:07 < karasz> how was linux expo?
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16:16 < _Ragnar_> valentin: afaik at least in german law it is not possible to sign away your copyright that way
16:17 < valentin> _Ragnar_: that is not true. In fact you hold Uhrheberschaft
16:17 < valentin> but not copyright
16:18 < valentin> which contains the right to distribute the work
16:18 < valentin> i.e. you cannot sell one article to many magazines
16:19 < _Ragnar_> afaik you could, but that would mean none of the magazines would probably accept any later submissions from you
16:20 < _Ragnar_> unless you work for 1st magazine
16:29 < karasz> guys what happened to irc logs?
16:30 < karasz> they stop on october 15
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16:55 < valentin> ouhm
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17:50 < CIA-10> amery * r13433 /trunk/package/develop/mono/mono.desc: * updated mono (1.1.9.2 -> 1.1.10)
17:52 < CIA-10> amery * r13434 /trunk/package/develop/mono-xsp/mono-xsp.desc: * updated mono-xsp (1.1.9.2 -> 1.1.10)
17:52 < CIA-10> amery * r13435 /trunk/package/develop/mod_mono/mod_mono.desc: * updated mod_mono (1.1.9.2 -> 1.1.10)
17:53 < rxr> karasz: irclogs should be fixed
17:53 < rxr> an sync account was locked
17:55 < rxr> moin mnemoc
17:55 < mnemoc> moin rxr
18:09 < karasz> moin rxr
18:09 < karasz> just the guy i wanted to hear about :)
18:10 < karasz> rxr now is my last chanse, should I save something from openpower?
18:10 < rxr> nope ,-)
18:10 < karasz> goof
18:11 < karasz> good
18:11 < karasz> did you get the memo?
18:12 < rxr> mnemoc: I moved irclogs to: http://www.t2-project.org/irclogs/
18:12 < rxr> to improve our future google rank
18:14 < rxr> karasz: oehm - I see no memo
18:14 < mnemoc> rxr: good :)
18:14 < karasz> nevermind i try to find it again
18:15 < karasz> here it is http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/debian-ppc64-devel/2005-September/000193.html
18:15 < karasz> it is kinda long but i guess it worth to read
18:15 < karasz> ;)
18:16 < karasz> by the way guys did you noticed the rank on distrowatch?
18:16 < karasz> 69 T2 71=
18:17 < mnemoc> 69 :)
18:18 * mnemoc wonders if something like T2 can get top 10 one day
18:18 < karasz> hmmm
18:19 < karasz> T2 by itself i doubt, but some T2 powered distro for beginners why not...
18:19 < rxr> I think even t2
18:19 < rxr> the included generic or desktop are very well
18:21 < mnemoc> Error logs from rafaella-2.1-stable-x86-pentium4-azazel:
18:21 < mnemoc> 329 builds total, 322 completed fine, 0 with errors.
18:21 < mnemoc> ^--- azazel 0.3 to be tested on my laptop tomorrow
18:22 < mnemoc> 100% target based
18:24 < rxr> ,-)
18:24 < mnemoc> my desktop target :)
18:28 < CIA-10> rene * r13436 /trunk/package/textproc/htdig/ (. htdig.cache htdig.desc): * added htdig (3.2.0b6) - WWW Search Engine Software
18:33 < jsaw> another logo proposal: http://htp20.homeip.net/~jsaw/t2-sde-1.jpg
18:34 < mnemoc> ugly :(
18:34 * mnemoc hides
18:34 < jsaw> :)
18:35 < jsaw> gotta pick up my daughter, cu later
18:37 < mnemoc> cu jsaw
18:39 < CIA-10> amery * r13437 /trunk/package/develop/mono-doc/mono-doc.desc: * updated mono-doc (1.1.9 -> 1.1.10)
18:40 < karasz> did you guys thought about a maskot for T2?
18:41 < mnemoc> which do you propose?
18:42 < mnemoc> i would love a maskot, and a logo with it
18:42 < karasz> definitely a penguin with pikes
18:43 < karasz> i mean in the end is a Tux right? and you say that your closest relative is OpenBSD....
18:44 < karasz> it is kinda cool but now that i think more about it, it may be too complicated for a mascot...
18:44 < karasz> what do you think?
18:45 < karasz> or you were thinking of an abstract one?
18:47 * karasz wonders about a relation between bronchitis and lack of reasoning
18:47 < karasz> i don't know, but i kinda like that T2
18:48 < karasz> it is simple and apart...
18:49 < mnemoc> karasz: T2 is not linux
18:50 < SerWou> moin mnemoc ;)
18:50 < karasz> that is true :(
18:50 < mnemoc> moin SerWou
18:50 < mnemoc> SerWou: read the log, i said you something about grsec
18:53 < SerWou> SerWou: we have grsec, but not PAX yet.
18:53 < SerWou> ok
18:53 < mnemoc> to use pax, first you need to build your target using PIE
18:53 < mnemoc> which doesn't work fine currently
18:54 < SerWou> i see
18:54 < mnemoc> once that is done, you need paxctl which is a helper to tell the kernel what to randomize and what don't.
18:54 < mnemoc> but grsec is not just pax
18:54 < SerWou> i don't know what grsec do exactly too
18:55 < SerWou> but the error i saw remenber a grsec error i had a couple of time on my server
18:55 < mnemoc> http://www.grsecurity.org/ :)
18:56 < SerWou> i will check it later
18:56 < SerWou> got a RAID software issue for today ;)
18:57 < SerWou> maybe you know about that :
18:57 < SerWou> http://pastebin.com/434134
18:58 < mnemoc> so add raidstart to etc/rc.d/init.d/system .... close to vgchange from lvm
19:01 < SerWou> humm
19:02 < SerWou> in this part of the script ? http://pastebin.com/434489
19:02 < SerWou> my commands are "raidstart /dev/md0" "raidstart /dev/md1" "raidstart /dev/md2"
19:05 < mnemoc> for x in /dev/md/*; do [ -e $x ] && raidstart $x; done ?
19:06 < SerWou> that's japonese for me
19:06 < SerWou> ;)
19:06 < mnemoc> right after the if that checks for lvm
19:06 < mnemoc> bash scripting is not japonese :)
19:07 < SerWou> before " title "Activating Volume Groups..." " ?
19:07 < mnemoc> no
19:07 < mnemoc> that's inside LVM if
19:07 < SerWou> i had troubles with bash scripts when i was young, one rapped me when i went back to home after school and stoll all my sweets
19:09 < SerWou> give me the list on the pastebin url if you can
19:09 < mnemoc> right after the end of your paste
19:09 < mnemoc> for x in /dev/md/*; do
19:10 < mnemoc> if [ -e $x ]; then
19:10 < mnemoc> title "Activating RAID $x..."
19:11 < mnemoc> raidstart $x || error=$?
19:11 < mnemoc> status
19:11 < mnemoc> fi
19:11 < mnemoc> done
19:11 < mnemoc> that should work
19:19 < SerWou> ok
19:19 < SerWou> what do you think about that : http://pastebin.com/434504 ;)
19:20 < mnemoc> the 'done' is unporperly indented, but looks fine
19:21 < SerWou> http://pastebin.com/434506
19:21 < SerWou> lol
19:21 < mnemoc> ehm
19:21 < mnemoc> wait
19:21 < mnemoc> move the 'status' over 'swap', over your code snap
19:23 < SerWou> line 37 should be moved to ?
19:24 < mnemoc> no!
19:24 < mnemoc> 42 to 30
19:25 < valentin> hi
19:25 < SerWou> i'm so a bitch in script ;)
19:25 < SerWou> hello valentin
19:25 < valentin> who is Alexandre Paes ? someone from here ?
19:26 < SerWou> finally "http://pastebin.com/434511" ;)
19:26 < mnemoc> valentin: will you apply them? don't forget to remove the duplicated [D]
19:26 < valentin> mnemoc: i din't test them yet.
19:27 < valentin> i think i will not commit cache files, too. Or should I ?
19:27 < mnemoc> they seem to be real.... why not?
19:29 < valentin> ok
19:30 < valentin> +var_append makeinstopt ' ' "PREFIX=$root/usr"
19:30 < mnemoc> PREFIX=$root/$prefix
19:30 < valentin> there is another variable for that, right ?
19:31 < valentin> yep
19:31 < SerWou> thanks mnemoc , i will try it and keep you in touch
19:32 < mnemoc> SerWou: did it work?
19:32 < mnemoc> what's a 'freat' distribution?
19:32 < rxr> valentin: yes commit
19:32 < rxr> valentin: especially .cache files
19:32 < mnemoc> wb rxr
19:34 < SerWou> i will test it at the next reboot mnemoc , maybe tomorrow, i have to finish some stuff on that server first
19:34 < mnemoc> jsaw: did my change to embutils/pkg_bash.conf solved `which` problem?
19:34 < mnemoc> SerWou: good luck :)
19:35 < SerWou> maybe the mnemoc force be with me ;)
19:36 < mnemoc> *g*
19:36 < karasz> mnemoc: freat may be great with an *** adjective in front?
19:36 < valentin> rxr: i'll do those two modifications and commit
19:36 < mnemoc> i don't have much 'force' to share :p
19:36 < karasz> mnemoc: more you share more you have.. :)
19:36 < mnemoc> valentin: please comment those changes on the reply
19:37 < mnemoc> karasz: :)
19:37 < sepp_> freat is "great" if you hit f which is on many keyboards left of g :)
19:37 -!- sepp_ is now known as sepp
19:37 < sepp> moin :)
19:37 < mnemoc> sepp: :)
19:38 < valentin> hi sepp
19:38 < mnemoc> sepp: but k is also 'close' to t ,-)
19:39 < sepp> lol
19:39 < sepp> hi valentin
19:39 < valentin> maybe that is a word game with those too words
19:39 < mnemoc> what do you think about the idea of a maskot? a maskot logo can be highly more interesting than {'t','2','\0'} characters
19:40 < rxr> mnemoc: ack
19:40 < valentin> i'd like to have a nice mascot
19:40 < sepp> a caterpillar sitting on a tea? laef :P
19:41 < mnemoc> what's the favorite 'hippie' mascot? t2 is the favorite 'hippie' car :p
19:41 < valentin> a T2 bus :)
19:41 < mnemoc> like a transformer?
19:41 < karasz> sepp: s/tea/mushroom/
19:42 < valentin> mnemoc: this one:
19:43 < sepp> a caterpillar eating a psychedelic mushroom with strange dreams?
19:43 < valentin> http://www.bulli.org/
19:46 < mnemoc> sepp: i think we have to find the mascot first, and then characterize it. having a mascot we can make lot of different logos using it.
19:47 < karasz> but to find a mascot shouldn't you think of one and only one caracteristic of T2 that sets it apart?
19:48 < valentin> how about a cute penguine *g*
19:48 < karasz> could it be its morphing capabilities?
19:48 < mnemoc> .oO
19:49 < valentin> bchunk in extra/filesystem ?
19:49 < mnemoc> extra/tool i think
19:49 < mnemoc> but i hate our current categorizations :p
19:49 < mnemoc> karasz: what do you see when you look at a caterpillar?
19:49 < valentin> yes. imo we should think about multiple categorys per package
19:50 < valentin> and why always this 'extra' ?
19:50 < mnemoc> valentin: that's the idea, to have only one, use the repo name :p
19:50 < karasz> catepillar?
19:51 < mnemoc> valentin: i prefer a tree, to be able to do desktop/* or desktop/kde/* on package selection.... each level more grained
19:51 < karasz> lots of legs i guess....
19:51 < valentin> mnemoc: well, if we'd do that, then we could skip that flag anyway
19:51 < mnemoc> desktop/kde/core ....
19:51 < mnemoc> multimedia/audio/library
19:52 < mnemoc> sepp: why do you think we are like a caterpillar? btw, i find it quite cool.
19:55 < karasz> caterpillars are also hairy...
19:55 < karasz> slow moving
19:55 < mnemoc> http://www.froghatstudios.com/art/caterpillar.jpg <--- LOL
19:56 < mnemoc> karasz: slim and tight, never fat :)
19:57 < mnemoc> simple
19:57 < karasz> hmmm never fat?
19:57 < karasz> simple yes
19:57 < mnemoc> i'm trying to map tit to t2
19:57 < sepp> mnemoc: i dont think so, but why is linux like a fat penguin ?
19:58 < mnemoc> fat and woosie
19:58 < karasz> sepp: because it is content
19:58 < karasz> http://www.sjbaker.org/tux/
19:58 < karasz> ^^ that is why it is fat :)
19:59 < valentin> hm, where to put bchunk ?
19:59 < valentin> still into filesystem ?
20:00 < mnemoc> what do you think about a female human-like caterpillar?
20:00 < karasz> mnemoc: catepillars ?
20:00 < karasz> http://jrscience.wcp.muohio.edu/Photos/Catepillar.jpeg
20:00 < karasz> ^^ you do not wat that :)
20:00 < mnemoc> valentin: i think, yes.
20:01 < mnemoc> karasz: think in comics, all animals and insects can take human form
20:01 < karasz> that is right
20:01 < karasz> so you want some superhero like stuff?
20:01 < mnemoc> nah
20:01 < mnemoc> a mutant :p
20:01 < karasz> ack
20:02 < karasz> hmm mutant catepillar :)
20:02 * karasz wonders about its capabilities :)
20:02 < mnemoc> a girl caterpillar :p
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20:02 < karasz> switch legs with arms and you get a powerfull hug :D
20:02 < MisterN> hi
20:02 < mnemoc> there become something that fly after some time
20:03 < mnemoc> they*
20:03 < sepp> http://languages.arts.unsw.edu.au/japan/Andrew%20Beveridge_large/colour_japanese_catepillar.jpg <- radioactive cate
20:03 < karasz> butterflys are gracious and all
20:03 < karasz> but power?
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20:04 < MisterN> karasz: you know, they make the weather.
20:04 < karasz> though i like the metaphore of catepillar becoming butterflys...
20:04 < mnemoc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Emperor_Gum_Moth.jpg <--- this one looks strong
20:04 < valentin> prefix="opt/silc"
20:05 < mnemoc> valentin: why not?
20:05 < valentin> without any $root stuff ?
20:06 < mnemoc> prefix never have $root
20:06 < mnemoc> cp foo $root/$prefix/something/
20:08 < valentin> sorry, confused :)
20:08 < valentin> i confused it with PREFIX for make
20:08 < mnemoc> rxr,valentin: what do you think about the caterpillar?
20:08 < valentin> the cook or as a gerneral concept ?
20:09 < karasz> mnemoc: http://www.hcjb.org/docs/saint/7-8_class/images/catepillar.jpg
20:09 < valentin> karasz: that one looks poisoned
20:10 < mnemoc> valentin: for a mascot
20:10 < valentin> well, caterpillars can be kind of cute
20:10 < valentin> and it would be quite unique i think
20:10 < valentin> mnemoc: i like that emperor moth
20:11 < karasz> it is poisoned
20:11 < valentin> mnemoc: not as a mascot, of course
20:11 < mnemoc> :)
20:12 < sepp> http://www.tomarma.com/Stock/Bugs/Closeups/Caterpillar.jpg :D
20:13 < karasz> http://www.jemsweb.com/exhibit_images/camphotos/mothgirl.jpg
20:13 < mnemoc> does anyone know to draw?
20:14 < sepp> with brush and color?
20:14 < karasz> :(
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20:15 < mnemoc> sepp: with anything capable of doing a mascot character
20:15 < karasz> mnemoc: you have an ideea?
20:16 < karasz> maybe put a contest on www.t2-project.org
20:16 < sepp> well, i know howto sketch and model things
20:16 < mnemoc> i would love a humanoid character, and a caterpillar sounds like a great candidate
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20:18 < sepp> if we could agree on a idea ...
20:18 < karasz> humanoid +catepillar +tuxedo ?
20:19 < valentin> nice idea
20:19 < karasz> white gloves and stuff
20:19 < valentin> this alice in wonderland thing - he had a tuxedo too ?
20:19 < karasz> nope
20:19 < karasz> it was more like turkish
20:19 < valentin> karasz: any picture of the AiW one ?
20:20 < karasz> with that speciffic turkish hat and a water pipe
20:20 < valentin> ah i remember
20:20 < valentin> well, that one was not very sympathic, anyway
20:21 < karasz> what do you call a joben in english?
20:21 < karasz> that long black hat from 1800?
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20:25 < karasz> i found it
20:25 < karasz> http://www.dilishop.nextra.ro/graphics/22570.jpg
20:25 < karasz> that is a joben
20:25 < karasz> so humanoid catepillar with tuxedo and joben
20:25 < karasz> ?
20:25 < karasz> how does it sound?
20:26 < sepp> like a mutant :p
20:26 < karasz> that was the ideea...
20:27 < sepp> :)
20:29 < karasz> joben=top hat
20:29 < karasz> http://www.hcandersen-homepage.dk/andersens-top-hat/HPIM6525.JPG top hat
20:30 < karasz> i think it must have one because it conferes distiction...
20:30 < karasz> it sets it appart
20:31 < rxr> http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=/188/188.css&page=0
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20:35 < karasz> mnemoc: ?
20:36 < mnemoc> re
20:36 < mnemoc> karasz: ?
20:36 < karasz> what do you think?
20:36 * Xenos is away: outside
20:36 < karasz> so humanoid catepillar with tuxedo and top hat
20:37 < mnemoc> karasz: promising :)
20:37 < mnemoc> rxr: doing web programming?
20:37 < sepp> something like http://www.pixar.com/featurefilms/abl/index.html ?
20:38 < sepp> i mean the kind of human cg animal...
20:38 < mnemoc> i would prefer female and cute ,-)
20:38 < mnemoc> like the ant or like the caterpillar? :)
20:38 < sepp> ok, i mean in this style
20:38 < mnemoc> but yes, i like that style
20:39 < karasz> catepillar should be not fat, i guess...
20:39 < mnemoc> ack
20:39 < karasz> slim
20:39 < sepp> that doable
20:39 < karasz> but female?
20:39 < karasz> why female mnemoc?
20:40 < mnemoc> if it's human, and i can choose between man and woman, i choose woman. ,-) personal choices
20:40 < karasz> i thought more along asexuate type
20:41 < mnemoc> let see what sepp can do :)
20:41 < karasz> because is more doable in line scketch
20:41 < mnemoc> ok
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20:41 < mnemoc> no problem
20:41 < karasz> let' see
20:42 < mnemoc> what tools do you use for such quests?
20:42 < mnemoc> i have 6 targets with names that point to humanoid mytholicial beeings :)
20:43 < mnemoc> not all female btw
20:43 < karasz> mnemoc: do you have a Gheea target?
20:44 < mnemoc> i don't even know what that is :p
20:44 < karasz> O_O
20:45 < karasz> gheea, the mother of all
20:45 < karasz> mother earth
20:45 < sepp> even wikipedia does not know
20:45 < mnemoc> aha.... language problem :)
20:46 < valentin> karasz: i now gaia
20:46 < mnemoc> valentin: ack
20:46 < karasz> yep
20:46 < karasz> language problem sorry
20:47 < mnemoc> mnemosyne is the mother of my other targets :)
20:47 < karasz> here it came from greek
20:47 < karasz> Gaea
20:48 < mnemoc> sedu,lamassu, sheba, menrva and azazel
20:49 < mnemoc> well... sheba is a realm, not a character
20:49 < karasz> yes but in a way sedu,lamassu, sheba, menrva and azazel are children of gaea
20:49 < karasz> do you see my point?
20:50 < karasz> gaea is to all those what T2 is to your targets :)
20:50 < mnemoc> different cultures ,-)
20:51 < SerWou> "différentes cultures" ;)
20:51 < karasz> that is true mnemoc
20:51 < karasz> they belong to different cultures
20:51 < karasz> but still
20:52 < karasz> and gaea is female ;)
20:52 < karasz> thou i do not know how cute she is...
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20:53 < mnemoc> for T2 i like the humanoid caterpillar with tuxido and hat ,-)
20:53 < sepp> ok ok ;)
20:54 < mnemoc> you can name your next target gheea :)
20:55 < karasz> i could not dare that mnemoc since my next target will be mother to none
20:55 < karasz> anyway along the discution mnemoc peek at http://karasz.pastebin.ca/29147
20:56 < mnemoc> yes, here she is called pachamama
20:56 < karasz> i didn't know that, and i find it fascinating...
20:56 < mnemoc> interesting thing is the common meaning of 'mama' with indoeuropean cultures
20:57 * karasz should read more about Latin American culture
20:57 < MisterN> mnemoc: in how far?
20:57 < mnemoc> MisterN: ?
20:57 < karasz> mnemoc: i think that is deeper that that
20:57 < MisterN> mnemoc: the mama-fact.
20:58 < MisterN> there are many common words :D
20:58 < karasz> hungarian is not indo european as far as i know...
20:58 < karasz> and they have `mama`
20:58 < mnemoc> :)
20:58 < karasz> though it may be a recent adition
20:58 < mnemoc> same meaning?
20:58 < karasz> since they have another word too for that
20:59 < karasz> yep
20:59 < karasz> same meaning
20:59 < karasz> edesanya=mama=mother
21:00 < karasz> funny they allways add edes in front of anya
21:00 < karasz> meaning sweet
21:00 < karasz> edesanya=sweetmother
21:00 < karasz> but enough of that ;)
21:00 < karasz> gotago
21:01 < karasz> cu tomorrow
21:01 < mnemoc> :)
21:01 < mnemoc> cu karasz
21:01 < mnemoc> MisterN: which other transcultural word do you know?
21:01 < sepp> bye bye karasz
21:02 < sepp> aa :)
21:04 < MisterN> mnemoc: oh well.. ok, i admit: none. but i could get my allknowing book :)
21:04 < mnemoc> MisterN: :)
21:04 < MisterN> and i do.
21:05 < mnemoc> http://www.notam02.no/~hcholm/altlang/ <--- the allknowing book
21:06 < MisterN> mine is called: "DUDEN Das Herkunftswörterbuch (Etymologie der deutschen Sprache)" :)
21:09 < mnemoc> does mother has an ethimology there?
21:09 < mnemoc> etymologie*
21:09 < MisterN> surely
21:10 < mnemoc> latin or greek for sure
21:10 < mnemoc> but why russian and quechua?
21:10 < MisterN> latin and greek _are_ indogerman iirc?
21:11 < mnemoc> indogerman *g*.... you always trying to change history :p
21:12 < MisterN> well i admit i don't understand the whole language developments due to a lack of knowledge
21:13 < MisterN> in my book, it is traced to old-indian (the asian subcontinent :), latin AND greek. nice, eh?
21:13 < MisterN> it is related to "mama"
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21:15 < mnemoc> http://www.proel.org/mundo.html <--- great linguistic resource, but in spanish
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21:17 < MisterN> nice graphics
21:24 < mnemoc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-World_language :)
21:26 < MisterN> it seems practically nothing stayed the same.
21:28 < mnemoc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Map-of-human-migrations.jpg
21:29 < MisterN> thanks for the nice wikipedia session you made possible :)
21:29 < mnemoc> :)
21:30 < mnemoc> wikipedia is everyday a better resource
21:32 < rxr> mnemoc: ,-)
21:33 < mnemoc> rxr: hey! ... you said nothing about the caterpillar thing
21:35 * rxr was working
21:36 < mnemoc> if you have a minute, please write some lines on that topic
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21:37 < sepp> i would like to know if we at least agree on the general idea - before i waste time doing it
21:37 < mnemoc> sepp: ack
21:39 < rxr> http://www.t2-project.org/handbook.html
21:39 < rxr> ^- handbook now in the t2-project.org domain to future raise the google rank ,-)
21:39 < rxr> mnemoc: ouhm - that is a lot to read scrollback, right ?
21:41 < mnemoc> rxr: to summarize, sepp proposed a caterpillar as mascot. at the end of the conversation a humanoid caterpillar with tuxido and hat was 'offered'
21:42 < rxr> graphic demo somewhere?
21:43 < sepp> general ides is pixar "a bugs life" style
21:43 < rxr> sure - would be nice to see some sketch of it ,-9
21:44 < mnemoc> we could start with a simple caterpillar, and after some time get the wonderfully modelled mascot
21:45 < sepp> sure, but it takes quite some time and i would like to know if we can agree on the general idea ...
21:46 < mnemoc> rxr?
21:47 < rxr> yep ?
21:47 < rxr> ah
21:47 < mnemoc> *G*
21:48 < rxr> yes
21:48 < rxr> might be vry nice
21:48 < mnemoc> :)
21:55 < Xenos> heh
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22:01 < rxr> so+
22:01 < rxr> re
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22:20 < sepp> damn router ...
22:21 < sepp> so - should i start to play with the caterpillar idea this weekend?
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22:41 < rxr> yes
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22:55 < rxr> btw. I right now tweak t2-project.org css to look better
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23:04 < valentin> re
23:04 < valentin> damn reconnect
23:04 < valentin> did i miss sth ?
23:11 < rxr> don't think so
23:19 < jsaw> re
23:20 < valentin> hi jsaw
23:20 * valentin soon entering sleepmode
23:23 < jsaw> hi valentin
23:32 < valentin> cu
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23:34 < rxr> n8 valentin
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23:37 < TheBeast> hey
23:39 < jsaw> hi TheBeast
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23:42 < TheBeast> is it worth to install t2?
23:42 * TheBeast ex Gentoo user:D
23:44 < jsaw> hehe
23:44 < jsaw> Xenos: you just installed T2...
23:45 < Xenos> ;)
23:45 < Xenos> yeah
23:46 < Xenos> but i built my own iso :>
23:46 < jsaw> TheBeast: lemma quote Xenos:
23:46 < Xenos> about 2 days of building..
23:46 < jsaw> 22:58 * Xenos is on T2
23:46 < jsaw> 22:59 < Xenos> the fastest distro that i used ;)
23:47 < jsaw> (two days ago)
23:47 < Xenos> :)
23:47 < Xenos> hm
23:47 < Xenos> i think, i'll go to sleep
23:47 < Xenos> 'night all
23:47 * Xenos is away: dropped to bed..
23:48 < jsaw> Xenos: cu
23:48 < Xenos> bye ;)
23:48 < TheBeast> the fastest distro I ever used is CRUX
23:48 < TheBeast> :)
23:48 < TheBeast> was, actually
23:50 < jsaw> TheBeast: I can only recommend that you try it.
23:51 < jsaw> or do you want to know some more specific stuff?
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